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1 • bella (by erinis on 2015-04-13 00:41:42 GMT from North America)
I don't know about you guy's but have run Bella through the ringer for the last 3 days and have decided we are going to get along fine along with Elementary for a long time. My 5 cents for now. ( PS have tried all 100 OS since 1999 )
2 • Manjaro (by jim on 2015-04-13 00:54:24 GMT from North America)
I have used it from the start and it is one of best distros out there. I also run Mint on wifes computer and vector on spare computer. Lots of choice nowadays.
3 • HAMMER file system (by Will B on 2015-04-13 01:21:28 GMT from North America)
Can't wait to see HAMMER2 come out. I really like trying out all of the BSDs, but haven't seen a need to move away from FreeBSD...yet. ;-) DragonFly is one of those BSDs that haven't yet worked right on my hardware, so here's to hoping...
4 • Bella (by Dennis on 2015-04-13 01:43:30 GMT from North America)
I like the look. But to set themselves apart as just another Xubuntu respin...I think they should not be an app curation distro. It would be more effective if they only included the bare essentials (text editor, web browser, archive manager, screen shot tool, image viewer).
Then, focus on a top notch app store/software center to allow users to quickly and easily pull down the software they. Also, if you felt the need to particular apps, then you could host various software packs for a one-click download.
Just a thought.
5 • jim (by freya'd not on 2015-04-13 03:48:10 GMT from Oceania)
Anyone not using eOS anymore after the kerfuffle with getting people to pay etc?
I had a sour taste in my mouth after they renamed isis to freya.
Personally I'd prefer a distro that isn't prone to developer hysterics.
Looks like it's still you freebsd!
6 • Chapeau 21.2.1 Live DVD (by cykodrone on 2015-04-13 07:20:10 GMT from North America)
I downloaded, I burned, I booted. I was very impressed it booted without having to add iommu=soft (the AMD 900 series chipset curse) to the boot line. The session started out like a house on fire, I used the tweak tool to get it to look and feel like Gnome 2.x/MATE, which actually worked quite well (but wow do you really have to know your way around to expose menus and options, Gnome 3.x insanity). My printer (Brother HL-1435) was setup and working quickly and seamlessly (it printed from gedit), same with my webcam, working OOTB. But then the party started getting weird, I opened Yumex, installed a few things for schizz n giggles, like Thunderbird, GKrellM, Pysolfc and DeVeDe, mostly just to see if they would install while live, which they did. I opened Pysolfc, it started, but as soon as the cards were dealt, crash, it disappears, after that other things refused to open, like Firefox. This is not meant to be flame bait but maybe systemd is not really ready for prime time, the session started degrading fast, it wouldn't even shutdown, even after selecting shutdown by power button (previously), nothing, I had to press and hold the power button for 4 seconds, aka forced shutdown, this was after my drives wouldn't unmount, that scared me. One thing that did annoy me quite a bit, I have a storage HDD (my install lives on an SSD), it was mounted and I did access a few files (test OpenOffice, which looked horrible without tweaking the view, and test the pdf reader, which didn't open), when I closed the file manager, I could hear, yes, HEAR the drive head parking and thrashing, that was bizarre, it doesn't normally do that. Anyway, aside from the live session degradation, the distro works, it's pretty and it has plenty of tools and apps to make one's self at home. You have the right idea Monsieur Pooley, maybe your just using the wrong base distro, lol, or maybe I do need to add the AMD bootline curse, I'll give it another spin but I won't hold my breath. Machine=FX-8350, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 (rev. 4.0), 120GB Intel '520' SSD, 1TB Seagate storage HDD, 2x8GB Kingston HyperX Fury DDR3 (1866), Asus Radeon R7 250, Lite-On 16x DVD Writer, etc.
Korora 20 acted the same way a while back, the longer it was up, the worse it got, and I really liked it too, there's a pattern here, you're both using the same base OS. Maybe it's Yumex, maybe it's not meant to be used live (or just no good live). I tried Chapeau because it was compared to Korora, I just had to see...
I like your website Mr. Pooley, it's clean and modern looking, I especially like the thorough set of screenshots (they were part of the reason I had to see it in 'action'). I have an idea for your logo, same like RH's but use a pretty girl wearing a beret. ;D Maybe not, RH might not like that, make the girl in a beret green instead of red?
7 • Chapeau article. (by Antony on 2015-04-13 09:07:50 GMT from Europe)
Thanks DW, and thanks to Vince Pooley for the excellent article on Chapeau. Good luck to the project. Reading the article, I was very impressed with Vince's approach and detail. I shall definitely give Chapeau a try and keep a close eye on the project.
Btw, have been using openSUSE Tumbleweed for quite a while, and it works really well for me: circa 330MB RAM and negligible CPU usage at idle on an old-ish (Athlon 4800+) 64 bit with KDE. A very pleasant experience overall.
Thanks again, for a great read this morning.
8 • Google Code (by Teresa e Junior on 2015-04-13 09:52:44 GMT from Planet Mars)
I have been using Google Code since around 2010, and they have only dropped features since then. When Google stops adding features to some project, it means it will eventually die.
9 • Google Code (by Sitwon on 2015-04-13 12:00:03 GMT from North America)
One nail in Google Code's coffin was that despite a huge amount of demand, they were very late to provide support for Git repositories. And once they finally did, most of the developers who would have used it were already happily using GitHub.
Another key difference is that Google Code acted as a gatekeeper for projects and, much like SouceForge, had an ideology of one "official" page per project that everyone contributes to. That kind of hub and spoke model of development is quickly becoming outdated and outmoded in the FOSS community. Rather than each project having a readily identifiable project manager, many newer and smaller projects are a loose collaboration of individuals who each work on their own fork of the code and occasionally share improvements with each other. GitHub fosters this more decentralized model much better than Google Code or SourceForge.
10 • Distrowatch & Social Media (by Jim on 2015-04-13 13:47:16 GMT from North America)
It is often said that the "squeaky well gets the grease." Unfortunately, I have found this to be a truism over the years. In that spirit, I'd like to squeak a little...
KUDOS on your social media policies...I LOVE IT! I HATE websites that are so cluttered with share/like/send buttons that I have to sift through the cruft to find the content. To me, it feels as if the primary purpose of information/education has been hijacked so that the creator can continuously beg for attention..."please LIKE me, please LIKE what I'm doing, please get others to do the same." The constant bombardment of begging has made me numb and, unfortunately, a little jaded to the content. I often read articles that I think are worthy of sharing with others, but I'll typically e-mail a link to the party I think would be interested (a targeted approach), rather than a "mass grenade" of notification that most recipients could care less about.
I personally feel that if you provide unique, insightful, and useful commentary (or products) that users will seek you out...not the other way around. I think Distrowatch does an excellent job of this. I know not everyone sees it the same way as me, but your approach certainly allows those who prefer their social media communiques to do so, while accommodating users like me who only want to read & be educated without the begging to be liked.
Inasmuch as I tend to stay away from sites that beg for likes/shares/acceptance, I consider Distrowatch to be a central part of my daily education. I just wanted to let you know that I LIKE your approach and I sometimes SHARE with others that I think would enjoy your articles. I think you have the perfect mix of social media availability and an uncluttered yet informative site. I can only hope you continue your current policies. I LOVE your site! Sincere THANKS...the "squeaky wheel" has spoken!
11 • antergos (by marco on 2015-04-13 14:25:35 GMT from Europe)
I love the concepts from ANTERGOS:
1> one ISO for six desktops.
2> an opt-in panel for FIREFOX, LIBREOFFICE, CUPS, SAMBA, ... that lets me customize my apps from the start, no need for uninstalling software I did not ask for.
Other distros did not even reply to me when I suggested this behaviour.
12 • @11 (by jaws222 on 2015-04-13 14:31:09 GMT from North America)
I know it is good. Too bad the cnichi installer has bugs. I tried to install it in virtualbox but it kept getting errors. They know about the bug and hopefully get it fixed up
13 • Chapeau (by linuxista on 2015-04-13 14:33:24 GMT from North America)
I've been using Knoppix for years to cover the use case scenarios set out by Mr. Pooley. I'm not sure what it would be missing that Chapeau brings to the table.
14 • SuperX and Inage Checksums (by Rev_Don on 2015-04-13 15:41:12 GMT from North America)
Nice to see that you were able to find a distro that played well with your hardware this week Jesse. SuperX looked interesting so I decided to give it a try. I ran into a problem right out of the gate though, couldn't find the image checksums to verify the iso downloads. It's not the first time I've run into this and I find it appalling that so many distros are so inconsiderate about this.
I made the decision several years ago to not bother downloading, evaluating, or using any distro that doesn't provide these image checksums readily available. I think you should start including how easy it was to get the checksums in your reviews. You also might want to include how readily available the recommended and/or minimum hardware specs are in reviews. You wouldn't need to include the specs or the checksums in the reviews, only if they were or were not readily available on the download page. Just a thought.
15 • GoogleCode hosting (by gh on 2015-04-13 16:14:16 GMT from North America)
Too often the hosted code was found (by mcAffee, etc) to contain malware. How often is too often? Search query "google code hosting malware" finds 49 million results (comprised of reports, descriptions, discussions, not a count of malware instances though). Seems like the bad actors ruined a good thing. Google probably decided that expending resources toward keeping the googleCode site "clean" was a futile exercise, and closed the site to further uploads in order to avoid further tarnishing their brand reputation.
16 • How about one good solid graphical installer? (by Ben Myers on 2015-04-13 16:24:19 GMT from North America)
Am I daft? Why does almost every distro have its own most wonderful and innovative and often one-of-a-kind graphical installer? Oh, don't flame me about innovation! What's to innovate? Seems simple. Pick a package to install from a list that names the package and gives a brief description of what it does. Click it. Or maybe double-click it? Who cares about the clicks? Bingo! Installed. 'nuf said.
17 • Chapeau 21.2.1 Live DVD test 2 (by cykodrone on 2015-04-13 16:50:04 GMT from North America)
I booted the live DVD again with iommu=soft added to the kernel boot line this time and recreated the previous test as much as possible, it did work somewhat better, I got a little farther but eventually things would stop opening and I couldn't shut down again, at least this time I was able to unmount my drives first. It's still a very nice distro and it could have a bright future (maybe switch to a CentOS base?).
18 • I Vote for these 3 Distros (by Muthu on 2015-04-13 16:56:01 GMT from Asia)
I also tested and used more than 50 distros in the list given by Distrowatch.But, I vote for these 3 distros - 1.Linux Mint 17.1 KDE 2)Manjaro 0.9 XFCE & 3)Korora 21 XFCE. I also have an idea to check Antergos distro one day.
19 • top_quality_freedom_of_LMDE2 (by k on 2015-04-13 17:01:49 GMT from North America)
Not sure why the developers recommended LMDE2 for experienced users more than novices, this is the most richly featured and user-friendly Debian ever. Give it a try, but be aware, you might never need or care to try another. Kudos to the LMDE2 team.
20 • Install image checksum (by Jesse on 2015-04-13 20:17:20 GMT from North America)
@14: I do not think I have seen many distributions where the checksum for a download was hard to find. Distributions almost always put their checksum on the download page or in the directory where the ISO is located. SuperX in particular is fairly straight forward as they use SourceForge to distribute their ISO images. With any SF download you can click the information symbol next to the file you are downloading and it will show you the file's MD5 and SHA1 checksums.
In any event, if you ever have trouble finding a checksum, look up the release announcement on DistroWatch. We put a link to the checksum data at the bottom of the release notice for just this purpose.
Again, using superX as an example, go to the SuperX summary page on DistroWatch, click the link for the latest release. It will bring up the summary for SuperX 3.0. That sumary contains a link to the ISO and a link to the MD5 checksum data. We do this for all publicly available releases.
21 • Installing on a live session (by Vince on 2015-04-13 22:10:19 GMT from Europe)
@cykodrone,
Thanks for your interest cykodrone, the issues you saw with freezing when trying to install software during a live session will happen on any live session distro, not just Chapeau or Fedora.
The filesystem on a live distro is read only and in order to be able to temporarily change this filesystem during a live session any changed blocks are written to a copy-on-write volume stored in RAM during the session, this copy-on-write behaviour is also how storage & filesystem snapshots work.
When "changing" the contents of the read-only filesystem both copies of removed data blocks and the new changed blocks are written to this RAM volume and it fills up quite quickly, when it fills up is when stuff stops working.
You can kinda get around this by creating a bootable USB disk with a persistence image, this image would still be a copy-on-write image rediding on the USB disk instead of RAM and will still become unusable over time, it's just that you can make it bigger than what would fit in your RAM and the changes will persist after a reboot.
There is additional explanation on the Fedora wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#Data_persistence
If you really want to test out changing the system there's no substitute for installing it on your system either on bare-metal or in a VM.
Hope you continue to enjoy Chapeau!
22 • LMDE 2 is good (by M.Z. on 2015-04-14 00:57:48 GMT from Planet Mars)
@19
From what I've seen LMDE 2 has been great so far, though I'd say that the makers of apps for Gnome 3 have caused some issues with themes in Cinnamon. The calculator, document viewer, & system monitor all have an ugly disjointed feel when you apply anything other than the default theme, & even with the default theme you still notice the Gnome 3.14 style popup menus & over sized title bars on windows. It's a problem for any DE using newer Gnome apps without default Gnome themes I suppose. It is a minor visual issue with a few default apps, though it doesn't look very pretty. It's a problem that almost certainly traces it's roots to the crappy job being done with everything in Gnome 3. I hope the Mint team don't have to start supporting a fork of these apps in addition to the Nemo file manager just to keep things looking decent. I also think Cinnamon still has more tearing on full screen video than KDE, but will need to investigate further. Otherwise LMDE 2 is doing great on my laptop & has some minor hardware issues with an old PC of mine. LMDE 2 is still a very nice distro overall, & will stay on my laptop for some time to come.
23 • @20 • Install image checksum (by Rev_Don on 2015-04-14 02:35:40 GMT from North America)
I went to the SuperX website like a LOT of other people will do. Clicked on THEIR link to download which did NOT take me to ANY page with an Image Checksum. All it did was start the download process. That just isn't right. I was able to eventually get to the Checksums by not starting the download and clicking a dozen times to back track to a SourceForge page with them, but sorry, that is NOT the way it should be handled.
And why should one have to go to the DistroWatch page to find a link to the Image Checksums or to find a link to the downloads? I'm not downloading it from DistrWatch, I'm trying to download it from the developer.That's what the DISTRO'S website is for. Sorry, but that isn't the way things should be done either. It's the DISTRO'S responsibility to provide that information and SuperX, like several other Distro's fail miserably in that regard.
24 • install image (by erinis on 2015-04-14 04:38:06 GMT from North America)
@23 If you have a better way then make it so. I have been coming to this web site for over 10 years and never had a problem or complaint. What amazes me is the number of people who come here and complain about a free ride and want answers to problems they are not willing to research for themselves. If you do not like it then do not use it and go somewhere else. You're criticism was not welcome to me and I have said my PEACE. Thanks and have a good day.
25 • installer (by erinis on 2015-04-14 05:05:46 GMT from North America)
@16 i understand your point but have to say it's a matter of choice and $. Linux is after all free for anyone to use. If BSD and DEBIAN and SUSE and MANDRAKE and SOLARIS where all the same it would be called Apple or Microsoft ? Thats where the challenge begins. Do you want to be a slave to them or be free with Linux. It's a choice so we should all make one. I choose Linux because it works for me.
26 • Re: Chapeau 21.2.1 Live DVD (by cykodrone on 2015-04-14 05:37:15 GMT from North America)
@Vince...I totally hear (read) what you're saying and don't take this the wrong way (I know you didn't write Fedora), but my bare metal install right now. root and home, fully loaded (I went nuts installing apps, games, fonts, themes, etc) totals 9.2GB. My point is I have 16GB of system RAM (my 1GB discrete video card does not share it) and I've tried other distros 'live' (mostly burned to DVD, a few from USB without persistence) that let me install and use lots of programs for hours (without freezing or crashing, etc). If Fedora's memory handling and read/write capabilities while live are so inadequate, maybe software installing should be turned off for live demo purposes only? Correct me if I'm wrong but Gentoo turns of installing in their live DVD, on purpose. In all honesty, one of my criteria of a good distro is how well it performs and handles tasks while live, if it does do well, it stands a better chance of making it to a bare metal install. Live is like a 'dog and pony show', the one and only chance to make a good first impression (just ask the thousands of geeks trying to impress their boss or family and friends, lol). Anyway, as it happens, I do have a spare SSD (it's currently unplugged on purpose) and I just might confirm this situation, I'm super curious now. I have a confession to make, I have an ulterior motive, I'm not a big fan of systemd or Gnome 3.x and I want to see how much abuse they'll put up with, heh. O_x
When all the smoke clears, I still think you did a great job on Chapeau, it has a nice GUI with plenty of tools and apps, it's quite impressive (Caffeine is nifty, one click suspend/screen lock disable). I'm not the easiest tester/distro hopper to satisfy, if there's a buggy nook or cranny, you can bet I'll find it. :D
27 • Antergos (by charlieD on 2015-04-14 14:07:03 GMT from North America)
@11 @12 I don't understand what happened as cnchi worked well last year. The installer is a nice feature. Hopefully they sort it out.
One problem I had that seems odd was the Power Saving options did not work . I tried all DE's with the same result. I need my screen to power down at the five minute mark. I would set it but then flash back on. The best that could be suggested was to install XScreensaver but that didn't work correctly.
Nice community willing to help, but Power Saving options should just work. Something I have never experienced with any distro. I'll try it again at some point.
28 • Suse Tumbleweed and Semplice (by Tim on 2015-04-14 14:45:23 GMT from Europe)
Hi. Emjoying Tumbleweed on Iconia W500
If bought it when I saw this
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/install-linux-on-your-x86-tablet-five-distros-to-choose-from-1162825
None of the distros worked for me then
Now it's running pretty good
Put Sempice on a an old 3GHZ Dell and it's very nice
I think if I swapped them they probably wouldn't work. That's one reason Linux is great. We've got lots of distros and lots of choice,
All for free.
Banner of this site says "put the fun back into compting" :-)
29 • @25 Then why TWO installers in the same distro? (by Ben Myers on 2015-04-14 16:43:05 GMT from North America)
Some distros go to the extreme of having two separate graphical installers. K.I.S.S. for all the unwashed who want it all kept simple. Why waste the developers' time and effort on several installers. This all begins to sound like mine is bigger or better than yours. Just a lot of egos.
30 • @27 (by jaws222 on 2015-04-14 17:32:41 GMT from North America)
And now there's an issue with the bootloader they're working on. Hopefully that gets fixed today. I've been running an older version of Antergos for about a year now and really like it. Once in a while there's an issue with updating but easily fixed. Other than that I've always run into issues getting it to install. I hope they fix it because it really is a good distro.
31 • 23 • @20 • Install image checksum (by Rev_Don (by Ron on 2015-04-14 18:47:40 GMT from North America)
Rev, I'm afraid you're looking for perfection in an imperfect world.
Really, I tried the website for superx and just as you say, no checksum.
But -- a simple search for superx on Google shows Distrowatch a few lines down with everything you would need.
Good day,
Ron
32 • @11 Antergos (by Angel on 2015-04-15 02:00:29 GMT from Asia)
I fail to see any advantage to Antergos' ISO and its supposed multiple desktops and other choices. You get a 1.5GB download so you can try it live, then if you want to install, the installer has to download everything all over again. In the Philippines especially, where I live, bandwidth is not so plentiful that one has the luxury of downloading the same thing over and over.
Ubuntu is by no means a lean distro, yet the Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 ISO with all its bloat is just under 1GB, and can be installed offline in 15 minutes or so.
33 • Ubuntu Mate (!) and other low-resource distros (by Ben Myers on 2015-04-15 04:34:50 GMT from North America)
I've continued my testing of distros intended for use on low-resource older computers. Of the ones tested so far, Ubuntu Mate manages to run nicely on an older Dell 486 tower with 2GB of memory, and it provides a decent set of default installed software to actually use like LibreOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird, for people to create documents, surf the net and send email.
Several other distros seem equally lean and mean but they come up short in the default packages provided, which means one has to install them after the base distro installation. I like it simple, as would many people using Linux for the first time, especially if they need to reinstall the software again.
I think that Mate hits the mark on relatively low resource use, but once again, it is extremely difficult to find information about its minimum requirements. Given that any desktop manager needs to run well with a graphics card, what is the minimum graphics card memory required to run Mate (on any distro) or any other desktop that claims to be lightweight? How low can I go with graphics card memory and still have a nice-looking desktop, not one that ends up with 16 or 256 ugly colors lacking smooth color gradients? 32MB? 64MB? 128MB? 256MB?
34 • SL-71-x86_64-2015-04-08-LiveDVDkde.iso, etc. (by Bobbie Sellers on 2015-04-15 04:41:54 GMT from North America)
I have tried to download the larger version without success.
I.e ot of 4 GiB I got 2.3 GiB and every time I tried to download
it after that I got only a few megabytes before it shut off the download.
Tonight I tried to make a boot-able live disk from
SL-71-x86_64-2015-04-08-LiveDVDkde.iso, the checksum
was Ok but I have wasted two DVDs trying to get a boot-able
disk. The disks cannot be loaded once written, unloaded they
cannot be recognized so cannot be investigated.
So I thought of going to the SL site and reporting it
but they have no way for an unregistered user to contact
them.
As I write the thought occurs that perhaps some
registered user may have reported this and it may have
been deliberately throttled.
I have been installing from downloaded disks since Mandriva
went belly up, Used PCLOS and currently Mageia 4.1.
I am the volunteer librarian for the local LUG and produce
many boot-able disks to that purpose.
When SL have fixed their products they should get them
on torrent.
bliss
35 • Minimum Requirements Ubuntu-Mate (by Ari Torres on 2015-04-15 12:02:09 GMT from North America)
@33 look here: https://ubuntu-mate.org/about/
36 • @35 - No clear statement about video adapter memory (by Ben Myers on 2015-04-15 19:44:48 GMT from North America)
The About Ubuntu Mate page provides no clear and explicit requirement for graphics memory. Maybe I've been doing this for too many years, but I have found that inadequate graphics card memory (e.g. 16MB or 32MB) often results in awful-looking displays. So, once again, what is the minimum required by Mate to give good quality high color graphics? And, while we're at it, what chips and memory are needed for the 3-D graphics alluded to in the cited web page?
I suppose I could experiment with various elderly computers around here, but my time is limited, and I would prefer an answer from the software engineers.
37 • Re: Ubunut MATE (by cykodrone on 2015-04-15 23:06:16 GMT from North America)
Posting from the live 14.04.2 DVD.
The good:
Relatively stable, nice looking, configurable. Over 45,000 package repo (this is astonishingly eye-popping). If you have Debian based experience, most of it will apply. LTS support (security and kernel updates until 2019). Lightning fast (for me), but this is not an aging machine (yet) or a laptop, so I can't really give an opinion. Lots of Universal Access support. Nice sound theme that's not overly annoying.
The bad:
Am*z*n backend in Deja Dup? Really? Seriously? Yuck. I found Unity Lens settings in dconf (changeable). I disabled the Ubuntu Firefox addon, who knows where that's phoning. Systemd creep, there are trace elements, Ubuntu is warming up to go full blown systemd. Do any of you other heavy duty testers 'feel' distros getting more flakey in relation to the amount of systemd elements used? Or is it just me? Corporate-ware tends to cozy up to other corporations, browse the repo, you'll see some big names. No clipboard manager/utility OOTB, why? I hate galculator, gcalctool is for the everyday, average, lay-person user. No sound mixer OOTB, all of a sudden distros don't need a sound mixer? I have a gazillion sound chip channels and switches, I LIKE TO SEE/CHANGE THEM. The default apps selection, although most are OK, I would have picked a few differently, but this comes down to personal preference so...
The ugly:
You CAN'T uninstall undesirable elements (see above), you probably can with a lot of research and 'trickery', aka CL magic and config tweaking, when you do try, it wants to take the whole desktop meta-package out with it, that's insane, for some obscure package that is really not crucial to the OS or DE. Does this remind of a certain proprietary OS that went to court for anti-trust? There's always a trade off, nothing is ever truly free.
This would make a great 'backup' OS, but for now I'll stick with PCLinuxOS MATE, it doesn't want to 'phone home' and is avoiding systemd like the black death plague.
@Vince, Ubuntu MATE has been up for hours, installing, tweaking, messing around, no crashing yet. Kind of proves my point about Fedora based LIVE distros. ;)
38 • MATE, stuff in general (by Corbin Rune on 2015-04-16 16:06:31 GMT from North America)
Haven't messed with Ubuntu MATE,yet. [To be honest, I tend to stay away from the 'buntus because of how much they roll into an installation by default.]
OTOH, I've been using MATE on a Parrot Security install for ~ 2 weeks, and it runs reasonably enough. Might be a Debian vs Ubuntu thing, could just be something I've done on my end.
As for systemd implementations, a lot of the worst issues seem to come in distro-side. Hell, I personally think Arch had the smoothest rollout on their end.
[Honestly, I'd be fine with systemd overall if its devs could just reach a point where they have "enough" features built in, and would then stick with just bugfixes and overall compatibility work.]
39 • reasons for multiple desktops (by frodopogo on 2015-04-16 17:03:35 GMT from North America)
@32
I haven't tried Antergos, but I am currently trying Cubuntu, a French language distro that comes with Unity, MATE, and Cinnamon on an Ubuntu base. (I'm really liking it BTW now that I've got it mostly converted to English...I know some French but trying to use a computer in a foreign language is still rather daunting!)
I am very familiar with MATE (which is really Gnome 2) and I am starting to like Cinnamon, but am not totally comfortable with it. It also occurred to me that I really ought to TRY the Unity interface. I tend to dislike the idea, but I wanted to be able to hate it from personal experience! ;^D Also Ubuntu being the #1 Linux version there is a remote possibility I will encounter it in the future, and it would be handy to be able to find my way around in it.
But my experience has been that when I try a distro and find something alien that frustrates me, I'm too quick to get rid of it. That doesn't really give it a fair chance. Having another desktop allows you to work on the less familiar desktop, then take a break and continue with something familiar, giving your overheated brain circuitry a chance to cool down!
Also, it occurred to me that it would be useful in a household where say you had perhaps the more conservative parent preferring MATE, the more daring parent trying and liking Cinnamon, and the kid(s) liking Unity.... or whatever. Everyone can have it THEIR way so you wouldn't have to have three separate desktop computers.
However, for a single user who already knows what they like and what they don't, there wouldn't be any point to it. And yes, bandwidth could be a problem!
40 • why LMDE2 isn't a beginner's distro. (by frodopogo on 2015-04-16 18:21:38 GMT from North America)
@19
I think it's because Clement Lefebvre is a very cautious man, and that friendliness is more than a smooth interface.... it also has to do with fewer crashes and lock-ups, and more and better support when you DO have problems.
I've installed LMDE2 recently myself, and superficially, it is so much like the Linux Mint 17.2 version, that I have to remind myself that in fact it is NOT based on Ubuntu.
If user-friendliness were just about the interface, LMDE2 is so close to Mint 17.2 that I can't tell the difference.
However, the repository is giving me a newer version of Audacity, which is why I want it.
And that's the problem.
Newer versions have newer features, which is great, but that means newer code which means more undiscovered bugs. And when a bug causes a crash or lockup, is a newbie going to blame the app, or blame the OS??? Probably the OS!
And when there is a problem, the community support for LMDE2 is going to be thinner because of fewer people using it.
So I think Clem is wise to put out those caveats.
My idea is to have Mint 17.2 on one partition, and use it for normal stuff, mostly internet and printing. LMDE2 is on another partitition, and will be used for recording with that newer version of Audacity. If LMDE2 were to become unusable for some reason, Mint 17.2 is there as backup.
Another way of looking at it might be to use something in the automobile world as a metaphor.
There are models of Toyotas and I believe also Fords that are available either in conventional or hybrid models. In terms of appearance and passenger comfort they are pretty much the same. But what is under the hood/bonnet is radically different, and requires different mechanical knowledge and diagnostics tools to support.
41 • @40 (by jaws222 on 2015-04-16 19:22:43 GMT from North America)
"And when a bug causes a crash or lockup, is a newbie going to blame the app, or blame the OS??? Probably the OS! "
That's just like Siduction. It is a great OS but is Debian unstable and prone to crashes and bugs. They do tell you that up front so when it does break I don't get to upset.
42 • LMDE (by M.Z. on 2015-04-16 19:52:52 GMT from Planet Mars)
@40
I've had very few issues with it myself, but that sounds about right to me. LMDE 2 Cinnamon 64 seems like a lighter, faster & leaner version of the main edition. The extra speed is barley noticeable but seems there to me, and there is definitely less RAM usage. Of course there haven't been any significant updates that I've noticed yet so I don't know how much might break when newer DEs & apps are put in. The only things I don't like are streaming netflix/hulu on Cinnamon due to tearing & the themes of the Gnome 3.14 based apps. Also, is 17.2 in beta already?
43 • @39 reason for multiple desktops (by Angel on 2015-04-17 00:16:53 GMT from Asia)
I think you misunderstand. If the distro offers multiple desktops and that's what you want, go for it. You know the size of the download in advance. (BTW, you can download and install additional desktops on distros like Arch, Debian or Ubuntu and derivatives. No need for them to be pre-installed.) Also some distros include everything but the kitchen sink. They are a sizable download, but you know what you are getting before downloading.
What Antergos does is not that. Antergos doesn't offer multiple desktops. They say they offer a choice of desktops at install, and they do, but none of those are included in the original live ISO. For example, the 1.5GB ISO comes with Gnome DE, which ruins nicely live, but at installation you still have to download Gnome in order to install it, and with a buggy installer that may quit halfway through, they aren't doing anyone or themselves any favors.
Angel
44 • reasons for multiple desktops (by Kubelik on 2015-04-17 00:52:19 GMT from Europe)
@ 39
"Having another desktop allows you to work on the less familiar desktop, then take a break and continue with something familiar, giving your overheated brain circuitry a chance to cool down!
Also, it occurred to me that it would be useful in a household where say you had perhaps the more conservative parent preferring MATE, the more daring parent trying and liking Cinnamon, and the kid(s) liking Unity.... or whatever. Everyone can have it THEIR way so you wouldn't have to have three separate desktop computers."
I completely agree. I have 8 distroes on one pc. - My personal favourits: Debian Testing, Fedora, openSUSE Tumbleweed. DE: GNOME 3. - And then there are the others.
45 • Minimal CL Ubuntu MATE install (by cykodrone on 2015-04-17 03:56:57 GMT from North America)
@38 I have a spare drive, I'm going to attempt a very minimal Ubuntu MATE install from the command line (lightdm, network-manager and mate-desktop for starters). Why am I doing this? Because I want to see if it's possible to unbloat (is that even a word, lol) an Ubuntu MATE install (avoid the alleged snoopware nastiness too). Rest assured, I'll be using '--no-install-recommends' (or --without-recommends) A LOT! I'll be reading the dependency lists very carefully before hitting the 'y' and Enter keys.
I used 'dpkg --get-selections > installed-software' during an Ubuntu MATE 14.04.2 live DVD session to scam the installed software list (print it or save it to a drive/USB stick), now I can cherry pick a few missing components (like printing for example) after the GUI is up and running from that list.
The 37MB (yep, thats MEGAbytes) Ubuntu 14.04.x CL minimal install ISO is here...
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD (a wired internet connection is recommend for this install method)
I've done a few Debian CL installs, it *should* be a walk in the park for me. Good thing I had a blank CD-R hanging around! If this doesn't work, by that I mean get it to NOT drag in any nastiness that I can't get rid of without breaking the system, I'll never go near anything Ubuntu ever again. Make or break time.
46 • SL-71-x86_64-2015-04-08-LiveDVDkde.iso, etc. (by Bobbie Sellers on 2015-04-17 05:54:55 GMT from North America)
In my previous posting 34 • SL-71-x86_64-2015-04-08-LiveDVDkde.iso, etc. (by Bobbie Sellers on 2015-04-15 04:41:54 GMT from North America)
I have tried to download the larger version without success.
I.e ot of 4 GiB I got 2.3 GiB and every time I tried to download
it after that I got only a few megabytes before it shut off the download.
Tonight I tried to make a boot-able live disk from
SL-71-x86_64-2015-04-08-LiveDVDkde.iso, the checksum
was Ok but I have wasted two DVDs trying to get a boot-able
disk. The disks cannot be loaded once written, unloaded they
cannot be recognized so cannot be investigated.
So I thought of going to the SL site and reporting it
but they have no way for an unregistered user to contact
==================================
Well this week there was a sale on External DVD RW drives and I got one.
Out of my curiosity I inserted some of the bad disks my built-in hard drive
had produced then failed to work with. I was able to boot my SL-7.2 kde Live
productions and was able further to boot with other disks that had previously
saved, so I retract my comments of the previous post about making
the disks. Still no luck with downloading the larger install disk. On the other
hand I was pleasantly surprised at the Live Disk with a relatively recent
kernel.
I guess the built-in optical disk is failing due to heavy use in the last year.
Sorry!
bliss
47 • Antergos | systemd (by linuxista on 2015-04-17 06:09:30 GMT from North America)
As sympathetic as I would be to the idea of Antergos (gnome3 + arch, or other distros), it's installer scares the bejesus out of me. I'm an old hand at installing distros, but the Antergos installer quit half-way through and almost hosed my entire multi-boot hard drive. This was a couple of years ago, so I'm disappointed to hear that the installer still seems to be some kind of issue.
Just discovered a great feature in Systemd for non-haters: if you systemctl enable fstrim.timer, it will fstrim any mounted ssd partitions once a week automatically. Perfect solution for avoiding "discard" in the fstab and so easy to implement. Thanks, Leonard! :-)
48 • Antergos typo (by linuxista on 2015-04-17 06:10:36 GMT from North America)
Supposed to say (gnome3 + arch, or other desktops)
49 • Minimal MATE install (by Corbin Rune on 2015-04-17 17:39:04 GMT from North America)
Well, cykodrone ... that should work, considering (last I knew, anyway) 'buntu minimal isos work a lot like the Debian base they sprung from. Hell, if my current experiment had've come with a net installer, I'd have done a few things differently.
Although, Parrot does come with an interesting set of pentesting and anonymity-related defaults.
(Part of me's probably messing with this to figure out how they built everything in ... and then clone it over onto something a bit more barebones, like Arch or Void.
/shrug)
50 • Re: Minimal CL Ubuntu MATE install (by cykodrone on 2015-04-17 17:52:25 GMT from North America)
I tried a bare metal install on my spare SSD, but it seems MATE is not really supported in the Ubuntu TRUSTY (14.04.x) repos pre 15.04.x, even though I enabled backports, it was just too much headaches to bother, there's certainly no specific big meta-package for it (the CL Aptitude mate-desktop selection was a sea of red broken dependencies). I also tried just a CL install/apt MATE GUI install, no joy, but I think that was a video config problem, just a black screen repeatedly attempting to load the GUI. OTOH, I did try the Xubuntu desktop (Xfce 4.10 on the LTS base) in Expert Install/Software Selection, it installed fairly seamlessly and after it was up and running, I poked around and could uninstall unwanted things (software center for starters, I hate it) fairly easily, compared to MATE, except for the DMZ cursor theme, that wants to remove the whole desktop, how nuts is that? I got the impression installing Xubuntu this way seems to be more 'slim' than the actual distro, and more modular. If I were to switch to Xubuntu, this would be the way I'd do it.
51 • Torrent Corner Checksums (by 29lost on 2015-04-18 19:50:46 GMT from North America)
I downloaded the Linux Lite torrent from the torrent corner and got the iso file. The checksum matches that of the torrent corner of DWW Issue 604, but is different from Linux Lite download page. Is there a reason for that?
52 • 51 • Torrent Corner 604 Linux_Lite Checksum (by Somewhat Reticent on 2015-04-19 02:01:19 GMT from North America)
checksum also does not match SourceForge download md5
note - error in URL of 2nd tracker (double colon) in torrent - which matches torrent in LinuxTracker database
(29lost - did you get anything in addition to the iso file? Perhaps an md5 file, or a directory/folder wrapper?)
53 • Linux Lite torrent (by Jesse on 2015-04-19 12:38:17 GMT from North America)
@51: That is interesting. The torrent file we were seeding here was the same one downloaded from the Linux Lite website. It may be that the ISO was corrupted during the download. I will look into this.
54 • Linux lite torrent (by Jesse on 2015-04-19 12:59:27 GMT from North America)
Update re post 51: I tried downloading the Linux Tracker torrent for Linux Lite to compare it against the torrent file supplied by the Linux Lite website itself. (They should be the same file since the Linux Lite official torrent was uploaded diretly to Linux Tracker.) Attempting to download the Linux Tracker torrent gives me a corrupted file (wrong MD5 checksum). Attempting to download the official torrent from Linux Lite causes my torrent client to crash.
I have removed links to the Linux Lite torrent from DistroWatch as I do not believe it is safe to use. I'm not sure about the torrent file provided by Linux Lite as I am unable to verify whether it is good or not.
I was able to download and use the ISO file from SourceForge and confirm it has the correct checksum. For now, I recommend anyone who wants to try Linux Lite download the ISO directly rather than use the torrent.
55 • Mini Ubuntu CD Xubuntu 14.04.x install update (last one) (by cykodrone on 2015-04-19 16:44:18 GMT from North America)
The good news, I was able to uninstall anything 'scope', 'unity', 'pulse' and 'am*zon' related without breaking the install (yep, I'm just as shocked as you are, lol). I'm going out on a limb and saying an install using this method *IS* more modular, if you're fussy about what does or doesn't stay on your machine like I am, this install method is for you (newbies may need a few practice runs, use a separate drive). Funny story, during some 'surgical' removals of unwanted packages, the OS started to 'puke' a little, like it didn't want its kidney removed, lol, it almost crashed but recovered, that made me chuckle, then I carried on.
The bad news (not really bad), none of the firmware was auto installed, I found this out the hard way. I don't use the proprietary video driver (it doesn't like my monitor's HDMI cable, long story) but have found my AMD CPU and Radeon R7 250 do perform better with firmware installed. I can't seem to get gksu to ask to store my root password for 'this session only', even though I have everything related installed, *scratching head*, maybe it's because I opted to allow root logins as opposed to just sudo up the ying yang, there's always 'su'. ;)
I have a copy of installed-software (use dpkg --get-selections > installed-software in a terminal) from my now gone last Debian Wheezy install (I got out before Jessie on purpose), I'm using that to cherry pick and cut/paste package names in to Synaptic (I'm a lazy point and click bum most of the time), there's quite a few 'transition' packages and most of the time the search will point me to the correct package of a different name. I have install recommends OFF, I just got it cleaned up, I don't want more ama-uni-scope "dependencies" (air quotes), lol. I have every repo (defaults, backports included, no custom PPAs, etc) enabled except the src (source) repos, at my local mirror.
All this is for future proofing (and before Debian/Ubuntu go full blown other init, name withheld on purpose), now I have a second backup OS (until 2019) in case something happens to PCLOS (God forbid). Speaking of PCLOS, on the whole, PCLOS MATE runs faster than even a 'slim' Xubuntu (this surprised me), PCLOS will stay my main OS, Texstar has a great team of packagers and developers, they're quick to tackle problems. Xubuntu has been included in the PCLOS bootloader, I hate having to F12 at the BIOS screen (Xubuntu is on a separate SSD). I had to correct PCLOS's bootloader menu.lst, even though I selected sdb for Xubuntu's root, PCLOS's boot editing utility wrote '(hd0,0)', the correct entry is '(hd1,0)', for MY machine, this stumped me for a few minutes but it was resolved.
Thanks for reading and have a great day. End transmission, there will be no further 'updates'. :D
56 • • Linux lite torrent • (by Somewhat Reticent on 2015-04-19 17:22:41 GMT from North America)
In the LinuxLiteOS forum an upgrade glitch was reported, and the originator "re-uploaded" - perhaps the ISO direct links were replaced, but not all torrent links - question has been posed to website's Contact_Us page.
57 • @52 (by 29lost on 2015-04-19 18:23:24 GMT from North America)
There were no additional files just the iso file.
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