DistroWatch Weekly |
DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 604, 6 April 2015 |
Welcome to this year's 14th issue of DistroWatch Weekly!
Several major distributions are about to launch new releases and the coming weeks will provide a feast of new software to install and test. This week we discuss some of the important new releases and features coming down the pipe. In our News section we talk about the Linux Mint team polishing their desktop offerings and celebrate Debian developers selecting a release date for Debian 8 "Jessie". The Devuan project may see its first release later this month and we examine some of the differences between Devuan and its parent, Debian. The openSUSE distribution maintains a rolling release branch called Tumbleweed and we share some exciting developments coming soon to Tumbleweed users. Haiku is being coupled with commercial products and we also discuss how companies are working with the Haiku project. Running and experimenting with multiple distributions can play havoc with a person's boot loader configuration and so we share a special tool for working with the GRUB boot loader in our Tips and Tricks section. The Void distribution is one of the latest projects to be added to the DistroWatch database. Void offers binary and source package management as well as an alternative init technology called runit. Our review this week explores Void and its unusual init software. As usual, we share with you the distribution releases of the past week along with a list of distribution torrents we are seeding. We wish you all an amazing week and happy reading!
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Feature Story (by Jesse Smith) |
Looking into the Void distribution
The Void distribution was added to the DistroWatch database last month and I've received requests to review this unusual project. According to the Void distribution's website, the project can be described as follows:
Void is a general purpose operating system, based on the monolithic Linux kernel. Its package system allows you to quickly install, update and remove software; software is provided in binary packages or can be built directly from sources with the help of the XBPS source packages collection.
Currently there are over 4,500 optimized binary packages for the x86, x86_64, ARMv6, ARMv7 architectures; also there's support to build (natively or cross-compiling) from sources any package easily that is available in the XBPS source packages collection.
Void is an independent distribution and offers a rolling release approach to package management. There are many Void editions we can download. There are Void images for the BeagleBone and Raspberry Pi computers along with builds for 32-bit and 64-bit x86 machines. In addition, there are spins of Void for specific desktop environments and we can download images for Cinnamon, Enlightenment, MATE and Xfce flavours. I decided to begin my trial with the 64-bit Cinnamon build of Void. The download for the Cinnamon image is 454MB in size.
Booting from Void's "Cinnamon" media brought me to a blank console screen. Pressing the ALT key followed by a function key, such as F1, allowed me to access terminal screens with login prompts. However, a second or two after I switched to a terminal, the screen would go blank again. The pattern of switching to a text-based terminal, only to have it go blank, persisted. In short, I could access text consoles for brief periods of time and login, but the screen always went blank within three seconds, making it impractical to use the system or attempt to install the distribution.
Not yet ready to give up, I downloaded the Void "Base" edition to see if it would offer a different experience. The ISO for the Base edition is 188MB in size. Booting from the live media brings up a text console. This time the screen did not get wiped and I was able to read the instructions printed on the screen. The Void terminal provides a little documentation, offering us the login credentials for the root account and for a regular user account. We are also told how to launch the distribution's system installer and we are given the name of the package manager.
Void's system installer has a text interface that is arranged with a central "hub" menu. From this hub we can visit configuration options in the order of our choosing. The installer walks us through selecting our keyboard's layout, configuring our network interface, selecting the source location of Void's packages, setting our computer's hostname and selecting our language settings. We are also asked to select our time zone from a list and create a new password for the root account. We are further asked to select where Void should install its boot loader. When we get to partitioning our hard drive, the Void system installer launches the cfdisk partition manager. Once the disk has been partitioned we can select file systems for our partitions. I found ext2/3/4, Btrfs and XFS are supported by the installer. Once all the steps have been completed the installer copies its files to our hard drive and prompts us to reboot the computer.
The first time I booted my local copy of Void, the distribution locked up early in the boot process. However, this was the only time I saw Void lock-up. When a reboot was forced, the Void distribution booted cleanly and presented me with a text console and login prompt.
Signing into the root account presents us with a minimal command line interface provided by the Dash shell. We have access to GNU userland utilities and manual pages. The Void operating system is very light, using approximately 24MB of memory. I found my network connection was enabled automatically and, in the background, Void runs an OpenSSH server to allow remote logins. Void is a rolling release distribution so packages will be updated on a regular basis, but at install time I found the operating system ran on version 3.18 of the Linux kernel.
One unusual feature of Void's that has captured attention is the runit service manager. The runit software handles starting and stopping services a little differently than other init software. There is not much documentation on runit on the Void website and the links provided take us to other websites with, again, not much documentation. Following the instructions provided I was able to enable and disable system services such as the secure shell server. I found Void booted very quickly, going from the GRUB boot loader to a login prompt in under five seconds and I suspect part of the reason the distribution boots so quickly is runit's minimal approach.
Once I had a chance to play with the distribution's command line for a while I decided to add some additional software to the system, including a desktop environment. Void ships with a custom package manager called XBPS. There is a brief guide to using XBPS on the Void website and it seemed straight forward enough. I began with performing searches for packages using the xbps-query application. People familiar with Debian's apt-cache program will probably note similarities between apt-cache and xbps-query. I searched for a handful of programs, including the GNU compiler, Xfce, various login managers and the Xorg display server with none of these searches returning any results. I did note packages already installed, such as Bash and Dash, would show up in search results. At first I thought, and xbps-query seemed to confirm, that no remote repositories were enabled. However, a quick check through the XBPS configuration files showed there was a repository already set up. I tired manually adding a repository to xbps-query's command line, as shown in the XBPS manual and, again, no searches for new software returned any results.
Eventually, I gave up trying to find new applications and attempted to install all available software upgrades. This is done using the xbps-install program which appears to be similar in form and function to Debian's apt-get utility. Once xbps-install had downloaded the waiting package upgrades, 68MB of software in total, xbps-query started returning results for searches, I suspect because xbps-install updates the local package database. Still, xbps-query seemed to only be able to find some command line programs and not any desktop-related software. To find out what was available in Void's repository I had to visit their website and search for packages there. Using the Void website I tracked down the Clang compiler, Xorg packages, a login manager and two desktop environments (Xfce and Cinnamon). Sometimes while installing new packages the xbps-install package manager reported it was unable to find dependencies, but I found re-running the same install command a second time always fixed the problem.
After installing the Xorg software, additional video drivers, a login manager and desktop environments (along with enabling the desired services) I was unable to get Void to launch a graphical user interface. There is a small portion of the Void documentation which talks about enabling X, but I was unable to get a working desktop following the provided instructions.
With my hopes of running Void as a desktop operating system crushed for a second time, I turned my attention to experimenting with the command line interface. I found I was able to create and use regular user accounts, enable some network services and use the compiler. Unfortunately, I was not able to play audio files as Void was unable to make use of my sound card, whether the distribution was running on physical hardware or in a virtual machine. Void was very light on resources, rarely using more than 70MB of memory. When running in a virtual environment, Void barely used any of the host computer's CPU resources. During the week I occasionally downloaded additional software updates, about 50MB or so in total.
Conclusions
Perhaps much of my poor luck with Void was a result of hardware incompatibilities, it certainly seemed that way when I was trying to use the Cinnamon edition of the distribution. However, whether due to software bugs or drivers or hardware, my time with Void was unfruitful. The distribution's Cinnamon edition did not work for me in any practical sense and the Base edition, while it installed, offered only minimal functionality. The functionality that was provided was sometimes flawed. For example, the xbps-install program worked well for me, but xbps-query regularly failed to locate software, even when given the exact name of a package I wanted (and had located through the project's website). I could install multimedia programs, but audio didn't work. I could install X, but did not get a working graphical interface.
The main reason I tried Void was to get a look at the runit init software in action. Void starts up faster than perhaps any other Linux distribution I have worked with, so runit would appear to have its good points. I was able to enable and disable services without any trouble, so that is another point in runit's favour. I was not able to find much documentation about runit on Void's website, but a little looking through the local manual pages turned up information on how to start, stop and check on the status of background services. At this point I am very much a beginner when it comes to using runit, but I like what I have seen thus far. The runit software appears to be very lightweight (using only 1MB of memory compared to Upstart's 33MB and systemd's 185MB*), the service management commands have simple syntax and the runit scripts for managing services appear to all be just two or three lines of text apiece. This may be the most straight forward approach to managing services I have encountered, at least based on the experimenting I've done so far with Void.
A minor point I'd like to bring up is the use of Dash as the default shell. Dash is great for bringing operating systems on-line as it is designed to be fast and lightweight, but as an interactive user shell Dash leaves a lot to be desired. Bash is available on the distribution and I think it would have made more sense to have made Bash the default shell for the root account.
In the end, I appreciate what Void's developers are trying to do. I like the runit service manager and I'm open to new approaches to package management. However, at this time I think Void would benefit from more documentation to assist new users and bug testing to smooth out the user experience.
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Hardware used in this review
My physical test equipment for this review was a desktop HP Pavilon p6 Series with the following specifications:
- Processor: Dual-core 2.8GHz AMD A4-3420 APU
- Storage: 500GB Hitachi hard drive
- Memory: 6GB of RAM
- Networking: Realtek RTL8111 wired network card
- Display: AMD Radeon HD 6410D video card
* The memory statistics provided come from running the top command and checking the virtual memory usage of PID 1 on Void 20150221 (runit), Ubuntu 14.04 (Upstart) and Korora 21 (systemd).
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Miscellaneous News (by Jesse Smith) |
Linux Mint desktop improvements, Debian picks release date, Devuan chooses Xfce for its default desktop, Haiku in commercial products and openSUSE unveils new Tumbleweed features
The Linux Mint team has been hard at work, polishing the release candidate that will become Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE), version 2. In the project's monthly newsletter some improvements to the login screen and Cinnamon desktop environment were discussed. "A huge amount of work went into making Cinnamon load faster. Sadly, we're only half-way there and the results aren't conclusive yet. On one of our test machines Cinnamon is able to load in less than a second in normal conditions, but can take up to 12 seconds to load the very fist time the computer is turned on. Investigations showed that this delay took place in cinnamon-menus and cinnamon-desktop, during the initial loading of application info (from /etc/xdg/menus, /usr/share/applications) and icon themes. Through optimization, the loading time was reduced from 12 seconds to 7 seconds average which is a first step but doesn't yet solve anything ("slow" and "slower" both feel "slow"). We're still working on this and hoping we'll be able to drastically reduce that initial loading time." The work being done on Cinnamon and the MDM login screen will debut in the upcoming release of LMDE 2 and will likely appear in the next point release of Linux Mint's main edition.
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The release date for Debian 8 "Jessie" has been announced and it looks as though April 25th will be the launch date for Debian's next stable release. The developers are currently busy fixing the remaining release critical bugs. Niels Thykier wrote in a mailing list post, "We now have a target release date of Saturday the 25th of April. We have checked with core teams, and this seems to be acceptable for
everyone. This means we are able to begin the final preparations for
a release of Debian 8 "Jessie". The intention is only to lift the date if something really critical pops up that is not possible to handle as an errata, or if we end up
technically unable to release that weekend." The Debian distribution is the parent or grandparent to over one hundred Linux distributions and the work done to "Jessie" will soon spread throughout a large portion of the Linux community.
As the launch of Debian 8 approaches, so does the release of related projects. Some people are wondering if we will soon see the first stable version of Devuan, a fork of Debian which removes systemd components. In a post last week the Devuan team presented their progress and the differences between Debian and Devuan. One of the interesting changes happening in Devuan is the adoption of Xfce as the distribution's default desktop environment. "As Xfce 4.12 was released on the 28th of February, it was also chosen to become the default DE in Devuan, which makes it the first non-systemd difference between [Debian] Jessie and [Devuan] Jessie. David Harrison talked with the Xfce team, and @jaromil confirms existing coordination and good terms between Devuan and Xfce."
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The Haiku operating system is often seen as an interesting project and a welcome descendant of BeOS, yet Haiku is rarely seen in the wild, being used mostly by hobbyists and people interested in operating system development. That may be changing as Haiku is increasingly being used in commercial products. The latest Haiku monthly newsletter discusses two companies that are shipping products coupled with Haiku with donations and improvements to the operating system being sent back to the Haiku project. "TuneTracker Systems is one of the professional users of Haiku, and they contribute to the project by providing a lot of testing and feedback, donate money to Haiku inc. whenever possible (all their computer purchases are done using goodshop, for example), and pay developers directly when they really need a problem solved (this year they paid mmlr to work on the CDDA issues). izcorp is another company planning to use Haiku in a commercial product. Their line of studio recording systems is currently running BeOS and Zeta, but they are working on an update to Haiku. Ithamar is working with them to get their hardware fully supported, and the changes will be upstreamed to Haiku in the coming weeks. This includes several fixes to the USB stack, the intel_extreme driver, and there could be more to come." It is great to see companies working with open source projects to the benefit of both parties.
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Tumbleweed is the rolling release edition of openSUSE and a good place to see what technologies will be appearing in future fixed releases of the great green distribution. The next set of Tumbleweed images are expected to feature a few important changes. "It's official, GNOME will be in the next Tumbleweed snapshot and the development experience is highly anticipated. A clean installation works, but the guys are working on one last test before it's released. We're not promising an early Easter gift, but Tumbleweed users won't have to wait long for GNOME's latest upgrade. A small change to Linux can be seen in Tumbleweed with a change from the syslog to systemd-journal; the systemd-journal as a binary file needs special tools to look at it. The topic was discussed on how to provide the ability to import structured log messages from systemd journal to syslog and you can read more about this discussion. App Armor service is causing a longer delay on start-up, but the solution is on the mailing list link above." Other upcoming events include the availability of Firefox 37 and the transition from KDE 4 to Plasma 5.
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Tips and Tricks (by Jesse Smith) |
Grub Customizer
I frequently receive questions asking how to work with or customize the GNU GRUB software. GRUB is a boot loader, the software which loads our operating system when the computer boots. GRUB not only enables the booting of our operating system, it also allows us to select which operating system to boot from a list of multiple options. Unfortunately, the current version of GRUB (GRUB 2) can be awkward to work with. The GRUB configuration files and utilities are scattered around the operating system and sometimes need to be modified in unintuitive ways in order to reach the intended result. This used to be a problem, especially for those of us giving technical support from a remote location. However, I am pleased to say there is a convenient and friendly tool which makes customizing GRUB much easier.
Grub Customizer is a graphical application which makes adjusting GRUB's configuration a simple point-and-click exercise. According to Grub Customizer's Launchpad page, "Grub Customizer is a graphical interface to configure the GRUB2/BURG settings and menu entries." The software includes the following features:
- move, remove or rename menu entries (they stay updatable by update-grub)
- edit the contents of menu entries or create new ones
- support for GRUB2 and BURG
- re-installation of the bootloader to MBR
- change settings like default operating system, kernel parameters, background image and text colours
Grub Customizer is divided into three tabs with each tab containing configuration options for a particular aspect of GRUB 2. The first tab is the List tab. The List tab shows the menu entries which will be displayed to the user when the computer boots. Typically the menu entries include installed operating systems, possibly older versions of the operating system's kernel, a recovery option and a memory test. The List tab allows us to add, edit or remove menu entries, changing the boot options the user has when the computer powers on.
Grub Customizer 4.0.6 -- List configuration tab
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The second tab is the General tab. Here we can set the default menu entry, the one which gets selected if the user does not interact with GRUB at boot time. We can also decide whether the boot menu will be visible or not (many distributions default to hiding the boot menu) and how long GRUB should wait before loading the default entry. We can also specify custom kernel parameters to be passed to the operating system at boot time.
Grub Customizer 4.0.6 -- General settings tab
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The third and final tab is the Appearance tab. Here we can set the font and background colours for GRUB, add a background image and add a theme to our boot menu. During my time playing with Grub Customizer, this was the one weak point of my experience. I found my background image and font selections were ignored and my boot menu always displayed white text on a blue background without any sign of the image I had selected as my GRUB wallpaper.
Grub Customizer 4.0.6 -- Appearance settings tab
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What I like about Grub Customizer is it puts all our options in plain sight and makes it easy to find and adjust the settings we want to change. Applying our new configuration is as easy as clicking the Save button in the upper-left corner of the window. Grub Customizer is definitely a time saver for me and it makes adjusting the GRUB boot menu a lot easier, especially when walking new Linux users through the process of changing their boot options.
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Torrent Corner |
Weekly Torrents
Bittorrent is a great way to transfer large files, particularly open source operating system images, from one place to another. Most bittorrent clients recover from dropped connections automatically, check the integrity of files and can re-download corrupted bits of data without starting a download over from scratch. These characteristics make bittorrent well suited for distributing open source operating systems, particularly to regions where Internet connections are slow or unstable.
Many Linux and BSD projects offer bittorrent as a download option, partly for the reasons listed above and partly because bittorrent's peer-to-peer nature takes some of the strain off the project's servers. However, some projects do not offer bittorrent as a download option. There can be several reasons for excluding bittorrent as an option. Some projects do not have enough time or volunteers, some may be restricted by their web host provider's terms of service. Whatever the reason, the lack of a bittorrent option puts more strain on a distribution's bandwidth and may prevent some people from downloading their preferred open source operating system.
With this in mind, DistroWatch plans to give back to the open source community by hosting and seeding bittorrent files for distributions that do not offer a bittorrent option themselves. This is a feature we are experimenting with and we are open to feedback on how to improve upon the idea.
For now, we are hosting a small number of distribution torrents, listed below. The list of torrents offered will be updated each week and we invite readers to e-mail us with suggestions as to which distributions we should be hosting. When you message us, please place the word "Torrent" in the subject line, make sure to include a link to the ISO file you want us to seed and please make sure the project you are recommending does not already host its own torrents. We want to primarily help distributions and users who do not already have a torrent option. To help us maintain and grow this free service, please consider making a donation.
The table below provides a list of torrents we currently host. If you do not currently have a bittorrent client capable of handling the linked files, we suggest installing either the Transmission or KTorrent bittorrent clients.
Archives of our previously seeded torrents may be found here. All torrents we make available here are also listed on the very useful Linux Tracker website. Thanks to Linux Tracker we are able to share the following torrent statistics.
Torrent Corner statistics:
- Total torrents seeded: 40
- Total downloads completed: 22,367
- Total data uploaded: 4.0TB
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Released Last Week |
BlackArch Linux 2015.03.29
Gaurov Soni has announced the release of BlackArch Linux version 2015.03.29, an Arch Linux-based distribution designed for penetration testers and security researchers: "Today we have released new BlackArch Linux ISO images. The new ISO images include over 1,200 tools for i686 and x86_64 architectures and over 1,000 tools for armv6h and armv7h architectures. Here's a short changelog: lots of bug fixes; change splash for bootloader (syslinux / GRUB); updated pacman.conf settings; updated /etc/motd and /etc/issue updated BlackArch install scripts (version bump: 0.8); minor tweaks related to ISO builds; updated menu entries for Fluxbox, Awesome and Openbox; updated all tools; added more than 150 new tools. We wish to thank all of BlackArch's users, mirrors, and supporters. Thanks for your help." Visit the project's blog to read the brief release announcement.
Linux Lite 2.4
Jerry Bezencon has announced the launch of Linux Lite 2.4. The new version of Linux Lite features smooth ugrades between point releases. There have also been a number of improvements, including VPN support and the installer now supports disk encryption. "With the release of Linux Lite 2.4 Final, we continue to evolve into a fully featured, light weight free operating system. Major announcement - there is now an upgrade path on Linux Lite from within the LTS series for each release, update your current install from now until April 2016 with one click, see below for details on this. There are enhancements to Lite Software, Install Updates, Lite Tweaks and Network Share Settings. Bountysource has been a major factor in our ability to enhance our software. By paying developers to help improve our software, we improve the quality and usability of our applications. Disk Encryption and LVM is now supported - see below for details. There is added support for exFAT, Android MTPFS, VPN connections and NTP to name a few. You get the latest Whisker Menu, there's a new default Terminal theme, and the Windows (Super) key now opens the Menu." More details (and screen shots) are available in the release announcement.
Linux Lite 2.4 -- Welcome screen
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CentOS 7.1-1503
Karanbir Singh has announced the availability of the first point update to CentOS 7, a Linux distribution built by compiling the source code of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7: "We would like to announce the general availability of CentOS Linux 7 (1503) for 64-bit x86-compatible machines. This is the second major release for CentOS 7 and is tagged as 1503. This build is derived from Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.1. This merges in all base, updates, and CR (continuous release) components released in the month of March 2015. If you have been using the CR repositories on your previous CentOS Linux 7 install, you already have all the components used to compose this new release. This release supersedes all previously released content for CentOS Linux 7, and therefore we highly encourage all users to upgrade their machines. Information on different upgrade strategies and how to handle stale content is included in the release notes." Read the rest of the release announcement for more information.
Emmabuntüs 3 1.01
The Emmabuntüs team has announced the availability of a new release of their lightweight distribution for recycled computers. The new release is based on Xubuntu 14.04.2 LTS and features a range of useful desktop software. "This new release is designed to improve the efficiency of the refurbishing tasks within the Emmaus communities which use Emmabuntüs, and also for our friends JerryClan in France and Africa (Ivory Coast, Togo, Cameroon, Chad, Benin and Senegal) who smartly practice the hardware re-use by making Jerry Do-It-Together – which also uses Emmabuntüs - to develop locally innovative usages. This version 1.01 includes the following fixes and enhancements: Based on Xubuntu 14.04.2; plugins update for Firefox, Chromium, Thunderbird; Ltools 2.8 extension update within Libre Office; fix of the Calibri font non-installation; addition of Minitube; addition of smb4k; the Accessibility category was added which includes a Virtual Glass Magnifier and a script to ease the cursor customization; fix of the keyboard mapping back to QWERTY after the install." Further information can be found in the project's release announcement.
Emmabuntüs 3 1.01 -- Xfce desktop and application menu
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LXLE 14.04.2, 12.04.5
The developers behind the LXLE distribution have announced the availability of LXLE 14.04.2 and LXLE 12.04.5, the project's respective 64-bit and 32-bit branches. The new release features a number of important application changes. For example, Firefox, Thunderbird and Filezilla have been replaced by the SeaMonkey suit and FireFTP. The Vokoscreen reader has also been replaced by the RecordMyDesktop application. Plus the update manager application has been dropped in favour of the Synaptic package manager. "The next incremental update of LXLE has been released, ticking it up to 14.04.2 along with the last 32-bit version of LXLE ever, which is based on 12.04.5. The 32-bit closely mirrors the changes to the latest 64-bit edition of the OS. As announced in our beta release LXLE now sports a highly customized version of the SeaMonkey Internet Suite. A fairly lengthy article was written on why this decision was made and that it wasn't something taken lightly. To add to that the other underlying reason was we wanted the distribution to showcase an excellent community driven browser to help spur support and perhaps encourage developers to join the project and lend a hand to the overworked small team of Mozilla volunteers still moving forward with Netscape's original suite idea." Further details and screen shots are included in the project's release notes.
LXLE 14.04.2 -- Running the LXDE desktop
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MakuluLinux 8 "Unity"
Jacque Montague Raymer has announced the launch of a new branch of MakuluLinux 8. The new MakuluLinux edition is based on Ubuntu 14.04.2 and features a customized Unity desktop. Apart from a special look, the MakuluLinux edition of Unity features three panels where users can access information and features. "Now sporting a unique three panel system that allows the user complete control of his system without even needing to minimize a window. This release is 64-bit with EFI support and offers the Constructor tool to re-spin your own custom ISO." The announcement goes into more detail on the unique desktop layout: "MakuluLinux Unity now sports a fully operational bottom panel, this panel includes a classic menu, window list, update notifications and a clock. It acts and functions just like a normal bottom panel, and it makes use of a multi mode system. When not needed it will auto-hide itself, when in fullscreen mode it will reserve panel space. When not used it will also auto-fade into background." This release also features the Steam gaming client, WINE, PlayOnLinux, support for watching Netflix and the Popcorn Time client. Further information on the release, a list of features and a video tour can be found in the project's release announcement.
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Development, unannounced and minor bug-fix releases
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Distributions added to the database
ChaletOS
ChaletOS is a beginner-friendly Linux distribution based on Xubuntu and featuring the Xfce desktop. It provides a simple and intuitive desktop interface, modest hardware requirements and five years of security support. The name ChaletOS is derived from Swiss mountain houses whose concepts of simplicity, beauty and recognisability inspired the creation and design of ChaletOS.
ChaletOS 14.04.2 -- Default desktop
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Distributions added to waiting list
- Astra Linux. Astra Linux is a security oriented Linux distribution developed in Russia. Developed and included in the operating system are software components that extend its functionality and increase the level of security and convenience of use. Built-in security is designed and developed in collaboration with the Academy of the Russian FSB.
- Crossfade GNU/Linux. Crossfade is a cross-platform digital DJ system for USB flash and portable hard drives. Crossfade GNU/Linux allows you to use a USB drive with your music collection to DJ on any modern PC (with an x86 or x86_64 CPU), including Apple Macs, using the DJ program Mixxx.
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This concludes this week's issue of DistroWatch Weekly. The next instalment will be published on Monday, 13 April 2015. To contact the authors please send email to:
- Jesse Smith (feedback, questions and suggestions: distribution reviews, questions and answers, tips and tricks)
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1 • We don't have time for distros that don't work without trouble. (by figglenorph on 2015-04-06 01:36:29 GMT from North America)
This is becoming epidemic. I tried the 4MLinux, which booted to a command line after promising easy installation. Maybe it is for experts but not casual users. Fine, "startx". That got me directly into more configuration than I was willing to invest just to see what it does. If they clearly outlined it on the web-site, maybe... Anyway, erased the CD (R/W, this is why), then deleted all copies.
But don't want to pick on just one distro. It's widespread. Look at the flail an expert had with "Void". Is it too much to ask to put up a few instructions? To expect in 2015 it be so "user friendly" as MS-DOS of twenty years ago?
And don't get me started on the wacky GUIs. Each one is a trial.
2 • don't have time (by erinis on 2015-04-06 02:04:07 GMT from North America)
We don't have time for distros that don't work ? Well that's interesting. Then use Linux Lite. Waiting patiently also for Elementary.
3 • Cinnamon speed (by M.Z. on 2015-04-06 02:15:19 GMT from Planet Mars)
Interesting that they are trying so hard to speed up Cinnamon, especially because one of the main reasons I boot to to Mint Cinnamon on my laptop is the speed. Perhaps it's the SSD that Mint is on, but Cinnamon really flies & loads quick on Mint 17.1 for me. I often use it to do something quick when I don't want to wait the extra seconds for KDE to load. I like KDE better overall, but Cinnamon is very nice & all ready seems very snappy to me. Does anyone with a spinning HDD notice a lag in Cinnamon, & how is it compared to KDE?
4 • don't have time for distros that don't work without trouble (by Alex on 2015-04-06 04:11:46 GMT from Europe)
@ 1 >And don't get me started on the wacky GUIs. Each one is a trial.<
The newest addition to it is Makulu Unity. We had a problem with Unity desktop for many reasons, one of them being the fixed left panel, another being the fixed top panel. Now this Makulu Unity is adding another fixed panel at the bottom, taking away much needed laptop screen space. It should've added another fixed panel at the right to make a photo frame look for Unity DE (sic!).
The developer had disabled right-click-to-change the desktop background, trying hard to help us more, completely forgetting that this feature (right-click) is the most wanted feature in any desktop environment, Linux or otherwise. So, now we have another highly user unfriendly distro available for us to create some headaches.
@ 2 >We don't have time for distros that don't work ? Well that's interesting. Then use Linux Lite.<
What you get when you download is Linux Lite 2.2, not 2.4 as said in the release. If you install any other Linux distro after that, Linux Lite would not boot. Its grub.cfg is corrupt.
5 • Void and Grub Customizer (by cykodrone on 2015-04-06 04:31:28 GMT from North America)
Does anybody else see the irony of the distro's name (Void) based on the abysmal review?
Although I have edited grub in the past (manually), Grub Customizer looks like a very welcome GUI tool.
6 • @4 - MakuluLinux Unity (by Jacque on 2015-04-06 06:17:18 GMT from Africa)
The appearance controls wallpapers and themes in unity. However it does not control GTK3 themes and it also does not save custom wallpaper folders. Hence appearance is completely and utter useless. Everyone uses ubuntu tweak or unity tweak for customizing their themes, no one uses appearance except for wallpapers and since makulu does not use the standard location for wallpapers, appearance is useless for that as well.
I removed appearance because in Makulu Unity it serves no purpose, instead if you take 2 seconds to look, you will see wallpapers are controlled via Variety in the top panel ( which has "right click actions" ) and is FAR more efficient in features and options and is rated the best wallpaper manager in the linux world, its features is unmatched by any.
Ubuntu tweak is included as well to handle GTK themes ( of which there is 8 custom made themes included )
It is all in the video that is posted on the release notes page :)
7 • Makulu Unity (by Mark on 2015-04-06 13:19:52 GMT from North America)
I downloaded and installed the new Makulu Unity release. I haven't had it long, of course, but so far I'm very impressed. It works very well and is very user-friendly.
There are some things I'd change, of course, just as is the case with every distro I try. I prefer LibreOffice so I'll install it and remove the default, and although I like the wallpaper choices I have already put on my own. But with any distro I customize things to my liking, and Linux makes it easy to do so.
The bottom panel is a nice feature and I already enjoy it. I'm running Makulu on a laptop and don't find that he bottom panel takes away space at all; rather, I find it convenient and useful. I have more exploring to do, but so far I like this distro quite a lot.
Good job!
8 • Grub customiser (by Hoos on 2015-04-06 13:58:22 GMT from Asia)
It's certainly a useful tool, but I've noticed that if you use it often to update the grub menu, which would be the case for people who multiboot or who are always trying new distros on different partitions, it picks up lots of repeat entries for os-prober.
Then when you are updating one of your other distros and there is a kernel update, you'll find that the update-grub process churns out the grub menu multiple times.
9 • miss spelled distro (by dave brown on 2015-04-06 15:17:59 GMT from North America)
Comment deleted (off-topic).
10 • Void based on Arch (by afonic on 2015-04-06 15:27:52 GMT from Europe)
The docs for the xbps package manager releal that the commands are pretty similar with Arch's pacman, they look like a simple bash aliases.
Also the "XBPS source packages collection" has some template files with the exact same syntax as Arch's ABS.
In their homepage they claim: "Unlike trillions of other existing distros, this is not a modification of an existing distribution, its package manager and build system have been written from scratch."
Has anyone looked into it?
11 • grub customizer (by dave brown on 2015-04-06 15:30:00 GMT from North America)
I wrote up a nice tutorial a while back on using the Grub Customizer to trick out your grub with custom colored fonts and backgrounds. You can check it out here --> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=117504
12 • cinnamon speed (by dave brown on 2015-04-06 15:31:49 GMT from North America)
@3, I use Cinnamon on a regular hard drive and I don't find Cinnamon to be slow at all. I like Cinnamon alot!
13 • #10 correction (by afonic on 2015-04-06 15:39:52 GMT from Europe)
"Exact same syntax" is wrong, they looked the same in simple files, in more complecated packages they have many differences.
Maybe it's just "inspired from" and not "based on".
14 • #10 further corrections (by Enno Boland on 2015-04-06 17:07:16 GMT from Europe)
To clarify this: Both, xbps-src templates and arch's PKGBUILDs are inspired from NetBSD pkgsrc. See [1] for an example. Both had the idea of using shells to define build script instead of makefiles. They may share common sources of inspiration, but evolved completely independant.
[1] http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/shells/bash/Makefile
15 • Haiku (by claydoh on 2015-04-06 17:07:51 GMT from North America)
It is so nifty to see that the little OS that could........still does ;)
16 • DE load speed (by M.Z. on 2015-04-06 17:18:01 GMT from Planet Mars)
@12 Agreed, I just checked KDE & Cinnamon on the same SSD & KDE takes twice as long to load. Its about 4 seconds for Cinnamon & 9 for KDE. I still like KDE better overall, but the wait is a bit much, especially on a spinning HDD. Cinnamon is easily my second favourite DE, & I wish KDE would try & trim load time like Mint is doing with Cinnamon.
17 • ChaletOS (by Fernando Gracia on 2015-04-06 17:21:22 GMT from North America)
About distros that doesn't work, we can find several ones; however, there are few that always work out of the box. Lately, I discovered PeachOS by January and it's working beautifully since then on a Dell S260 with only 512 of RAM. It's already updated without problems. Only Mint, Point, Lite,Voyager and ChaletOS are friendly with my small box. It's nice to see ChaletOS coming to Distrowatch.
18 • Not a Fork (by bougyman on 2015-04-06 17:24:13 GMT from North America)
the creator of Void Linux did not get the inspiration for xbps nor the void-packages repository from arch, nor any other inspiration. I was an archlinux user and package maintainer on the AUR for 5 years and I, too saw similarities when I entered The Void. However the similarities are only skin deep. There are no template files that are 'identicial syntax' to any PKGBUILD, though both use bash-syntax, the variables and how a package build is created are vastly different (see https://github.com/voidlinux/void-packages/blob/master/Manual.md). First and foremost, as a maintainer, packaging is much easier on Void because of build-styles. These are helpers you can use in a template which takes most (sometimes) all of the work from building and updating a package. Compare https://github.com/voidlinux/void-packages/blob/master/srcpkgs/gmrun/template to https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/gmrun. Since I've left Arch, they, too have introduced templates which can be used in PKGBUILDs. Arch taking some inspiration from Void?
19 • Void Documentation (by bougyman on 2015-04-06 17:33:34 GMT from North America)
The author of the review stated that he had a hard time finding documentation on runit. From voidlinux.eu there is a link to http://www.voidlinux.eu/usage/runit which is meant to be a quickstart into runit. As he found, the runit commands have manpages to reveal further functionality. A useful helper for systems with runit is sv-helper, at http://github.com/bougyman/sv-helper, and installable on void with xbps-install sv-helper.
The heart of the reviewers argument about void's sparse documentation has teeth, we are actively working to increase end-user documentation. We also actively support users in #xbps on the freenode irc network.
20 • MakuluLinux (by charlieD on 2015-04-06 18:27:24 GMT from North America)
The development of another version of Unity seems strange to me. That could be as I really dislike it so.
I did try Cinnamon but ran into problems after a few days. The community is so small that there really is no way to get any feedback or assistance. Further, the forum has a strange format.
As a result, I moved on. Smaller distros will always have this issue. At least with Antergos, the Arch Wiki helps with most issues.
21 • @4 (by jaws222 on 2015-04-06 18:51:03 GMT from North America)
"If you install any other Linux distro after that, Linux Lite would not boot. Its grub.cfg is corrupt."
I have Linux Lite on a desktop and a laptop and have never had this issue. In fact, I've never had ANY issues with it. When Windows users are curious to try "Ubuntu" I always have them download Linux Lite since Unity is an embarrassment and I do not want their first impression of Linux to be a nightmare. It looks like having Ubuntu Mate back in the picture Unity will be hanging their hopes on the Ubuntu phone.
22 • don't have time (by Leonard Ashley on 2015-04-06 19:06:12 GMT from North America)
I don't think there is a criteria for a distro release being capable of a install, or even a boot to live session. I agree that so many releases are just broken, or have serious issues with stability. I have found it is best to do a Debian net install, choose a DE (desktop environment), and after install, choose a WM (window manager) and be done with it. Never have had a problem with Debian, although the time involved is a little more extended, results are rewarding. I prefer Debian, however Arch, BSD, and others are also worth while. Build it yourself, I am new to Linux, but with a little effort, anyone can build their own installation and not have the headaches of a developers distro.
23 • ChaletOS 14.04 Feb/2015 (by Ari Torres on 2015-04-06 21:43:51 GMT from North America)
looks good but it has few bugs like it or not,wine install by default is a no-no for many linux users,we'll see :)
24 • Void Linux issues? (by Grass on 2015-04-06 21:44:35 GMT from North America)
It's unfortunate to hear about your experience with Void. I've been using it for a week now and never ran in to any of the problems you stated in your article. How odd. I find it to be a nice and simple OS that boots extremely fast.
25 • Void (by Petr on 2015-04-06 22:25:43 GMT from Europe)
Never heard of a distro named Void, but it is nice to see someone trying to build a distro independently, rather than re-branding a ready made distro by adding few wallpapers and themes. Hope the developer of Void would succeed in this venture.
26 • @19 Void Documentaion (by Pearson on 2015-04-06 22:38:30 GMT from North America)
I must say, I'm always impressed when a developer replies to a review with a comment like "The heart of the reviewers argument about void's sparse documentation has teeth". Such willingness to publicly recognize and accept a shortcoming -- and do something about it -- shows a humility that is encouraging.
27 • @26 Development Documentation (by bougyman on 2015-04-06 23:26:49 GMT from North America)
One of the things I found very well documented in Void Linux was the documentation on how to create, contribute, and maintain a new package. I can't speak for the whole community but for me Void has been the easiest-to-package-for distribution I have ever used; from slack, through .rpm distros and .deb distros and archlinux plus a few others. It's very friendly to developers, and still welcoming to new users. Further 'Getting Started' documentation forthcoming.
28 • Void (by Joe on 2015-04-07 00:14:13 GMT from North America)
I tried the Xfce64 version of Void recently and was impressed by its speed and how well everything worked. The only thing lacking was a graphical package manager.
29 • @28 (by kernelKurtz on 2015-04-07 03:28:25 GMT from Europe)
My experience exactly, Joe ... went to the full install and it's living happily on the multiboot machine i'm building as a hedge against the Lennartians.
30 • Void Linux (by rama65 on 2015-04-07 06:30:32 GMT from Europe)
I installed Void from Xfce-live CD without problems. Everything works fine and out of the box. The speed is amazing. The available software is still a little limited, but it is a new distribution and enough for dialy use anyway. Software updates are almost dialy. Going on this way I wish the distro a good future.
31 • KGB Linux? (by Eddystone on 2015-04-07 10:52:44 GMT from North America)
"Astra Linux is a security oriented Linux distribution developed in Russia. Developed and included in the operating system are software components that extend its functionality and increase the level of security and convenience of use. Built-in security is designed and developed in collaboration with the Academy of the Russian FSB."
That would be the KGB, wouldn't it?
32 • @3 (by kc1di on 2015-04-07 10:58:21 GMT from North America)
They were talking about LMDE2 not 17.1 so that's where the fine tuning needs to take place. :)
33 • Void Linux (by jura321 on 2015-04-07 11:27:04 GMT from Europe)
Hello,
Jessie, thank you for writing review of Void Linux
but I have to say that during my testing I haven't encountered such issues which are described in your test. I've tested basic Void Linux and Cinnamon version and both of them were running smoothly on my new laptop.
I see just two big shortcuts regarding this distribution: 1, Luck of official documentation - I mean something like Arch, FreeBSD or Gentoo has. Till now there are just separate manual articles and just for very minimal topics. It would be great to have complete guide how to build system from the basic iso etc.
2. Not so big repository with applications - it's young project so there is presumption that the number of provided applications will grow in time
But it's distribution built from the scratch, binary management system with dependencies, it's fast, very simple init system (no systemd) etc..
34 • Grub Customizer (by dhinds on 2015-04-07 11:28:29 GMT from North America)
Installing the wrong nvidia driver has given me a distro whose display isn't visible (or won't boot - but it's Plymouth screen will).
Can I either load Grub Customizer from there?
Or run it from another distro but use it to modify the boot parameters of the distro that won't boot?
Thanks in advance for your response.
35 • ChaletOS 14.04 Feb/2015 (by Ari Torres on 2015-04-07 13:42:11 GMT from North America)
disregard my comments on post 23 I shit on my mouth :) ChaletOS we have a winner here!!! this is got to be the most user friendly Linux Distro so far and right out of the box with simple clicks will make it look just like windows 7 or 8 and most people won't even know they are on linux. I did the test with family members :) you should've seen their faces :) look at the pics of ChaletOS here: https://plus.google.com/115875754886467617486/posts/dUgksNej4Hc
36 • ChaletOS / Windows (by Carlos on 2015-04-07 15:35:01 GMT from Europe)
@35 "ChaletOS we have a winner here!!! this is got to be the most user friendly Linux Distro so far and right out of the box with simple clicks will make it look just like windows 7 or 8 and most people won't even know they are on linux."
It doesn't have to be THAT similar to Windows (jeez, even the menu and wallpaper!) to be useable for a Windows user. Personally, I'll pass but I understand that some may like it.
37 • Devuan update (by Roland on 2015-04-07 15:53:35 GMT from North America)
I visited the Devuan page mentioned above: http://lists.devuan.org/dwn/54F5606A.20909.dyne.org.html and it is not readable. Dark text on a dark background. What was this guy thinking? Is there a projected release date? What I've heard so far is interesting, but that page makes me wonder if I'm once again going to run into developers make dumb choices.
38 • @15 • Haiku (by Georgia on 2015-04-07 17:00:17 GMT from North America)
It's nice to see Haiku get commercial support. BeOS tried hard to bring multi-media workstation power to PCs. I'm glad to see that work continue as Haiku. Was Haiku the last modern OS developed from scratch?
39 • True enough (by M.Z. on 2015-04-07 18:05:07 GMT from Planet Mars)
@32 - LMDE I see your point, I might have guessed that LMDE & the main edition were closely related enough that most tweaks would be fairly minor. It seems not to be the case, given the apparent KDE like load times of LMDE Cinnamon. I guess all the fine tuning on LMDE & later the main edition will help Cinnamon be more distro agnostic & more universal to distros with different base systems.
@31 - KGB Yes it more or less is the current version of that particular organization. The distro still might be more trustworthy that Red Flag from North Korea, though I would personally use something else. No one ever said free & open software would only be used by nice people who don't weaponize polonium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service#Criticism
40 • problems with void review. (by frodopogo on 2015-04-07 19:27:04 GMT from North America)
It seems like void isn't ready for prime time, but I get frustrated with reviews that end badly just because of an apparent hardware conflict. There may have been some really interesting features, and we don't get to read about them, and that seems somehow unfair.... small new projects are probably not at a place where they can test for all possible hardware. So I think that such tests really need to allow the distro a trial on a second quite different computer. I wish there was some way when a review has gotten to that point, that the developer could be given a chance at fixing the problem, and this would be noted in the review. Then we would still know that the initial install on the reviewer's hardware failed, but the adventurous might get to find things out that would lead them to participate in the project. Since a lot of projects are in Europe, shipping one of the project's successful test boxes might be an option. Or at least a video card, since they often seem to be a problem! I have read complaints in the past about the reviewer's hardware. Perhaps some users could donate components for at least a second test machine for Jessie, with substantially different hardware. There may be some reasons why these suggestions are not workable, but since the early 90s, my main method of troubleshooting has been to swap out hardware, and I find a test with just one set of hardware in a review very unsatisfying.... especially if there was a major failure of the distro to perform.
41 • @37, Devuan (by a on 2015-04-07 20:04:28 GMT from Europe)
Indeed, dark grey text on very dark grey background for me too. The Devuan people are terrible with communication… Remember they wanted donations without even saying who they were?
42 • Devuan page black text (by cykodrone on 2015-04-07 20:06:06 GMT from North America)
@37 I found highlighting the text makes it readable. I found the choice of text and background colours very unusual too (I'm being polite here so my comment does not get removed). IMHO, if they want to be credible, they better smarten up.
43 • Void review and hardware (by Jesse on 2015-04-07 20:48:33 GMT from North America)
@40: Whenever people suggest pausing a review to work with developers to fix a problem or swapping out hardware in order to work around a compatibility issue, I get the impression we are not on the same page as to what a review is.
For me a proper review examines how a product works on my hardware for me. No trouble-shooting, no swapping out parts, no excuses. The average computer user is not going to pop open their computer and swap components if their new operating system doesn't work as expected. Giving an OS different hardware so it performs better is, in my mind, cheating. It's changing the test so that the product "passes". It's like dumbing down an exam so more students pass. No one wins in that scenario.
If I were doing PR pieces to promote distributions then I would do more to get them working, but I'm not doing PR, I am writing reviews. There are dozens, maybe hundreds of Linux distributions and BSD flavours that run on this hardware flawlessly. Those that work should be recognized for their good quality. The ones that don't work should be identified as not working so others, who have similar hardware, are not lead into trying a product that will not work for them.
Think of it this way. I live in Canada where it is relatively cold during much of the year. Were I writing reviews about cars and I encounted one car that wouldn't start in below-freezing temperatures while 90% of cars worked perfectly, would you expect me to move to a warmer climate to do my evaluation? Or would you want to know that the car did not start in th cold so people who live where it's cold could learn about the potential problem?
44 • Void , comments 40 and 43 (by Brad on 2015-04-07 21:16:56 GMT from North America)
I was curious, and have Intel hardware, rather than Jesse's AMD test equipment. I downloaded the Cinnamon live edition. Quick to boot (and minimal), but functional. I'm impressed by the lightweight nature of the live version. One caveat - no way that I can see to install from a live version. Until I have sufficient time to consider installing it, I'll use it on occasion as a "burner" environment, and wait to see if the spartan documentation improves.
HW - Acer Aspire V5-561P-6823 CORE i5-4200U Touchscreen 16G memory 500G Samsung SSD
45 • @43 (by Rev_Don on 2015-04-08 00:11:11 GMT from North America)
Jessie, the point that you continually miss (or ignore) is that you continually have problems with distros during your reviews. That tends to mean that there is a problem with that hardware, either some incompatibility or a component that is failing. With that in mind it does seem that to give a fair review that some sort of harcware revision is in order. Since we know that you have an Intel based laptop it would be a good idea to test on both platforms.
To take your cold weather scenario to it's logical conclusion the only fair and complete review would include both cold and warm weather conditions that way users living in both climates are covered. While a person in a cold weather climate would not be able to test in warm weather during the cold period, it wouldn't be that difficult to have someone else test in those conditions.
Or you could just admit that it isn't a fair representation of the total computer user space doing reviews only on AMD hardware when it covers a considerably smaller amount of users compared to Intel. I know that for the most part I pretty much ignore your reviews of distros as it doesn't provide any useful or pertinent information for the vast majority of users who are using Intel hardware (just look at AMD vs Intel sales to see how lopsided they are towards Intel). Continuing to stick with AMD only reviews benefits only a small fraction of computer users so why continue to do so, especially when you run into problems on such a large amount of them? And when the same problems tend to appear over and over again that point really hits home.
Sorry, but you are wrong about this.
46 • Hardware in reviews (by Jesse on 2015-04-08 00:30:33 GMT from North America)
@Rev_Don: I think your point of view only makes sense if you read reviews solely to find out if your hardware is supported by the distribution being discussed. I suspect that is not the case for the vast number of people reading. Most people check out reviews to learn about features, problems, quirks, new technologies being explored, etc. These features are not hardware dependent. Since very few people have hardware that exactly matches any reviewer's computer, it will be very rare you will be able to tell if a distribution will work on your hardware based on any review.
As I stated before, my reviews are a representation of how a distribution works _for me_, I explore tasks that I perform on a regular basis on hardware I use. I also run distros in virtual machines to level the playing field somewhat (a VM largely takes hardware differences/quirks out of the equation).
I'd also like to point out three other things relating to hardware. 1. Most distributions run on my hardware. The odd few don't and some people are upset by that, but no distro runs perfectly on all hardware, that's just life.
2. The majority of each of my reviews does not focus on hardware. I talk a mostly about software provided, installers, configuration tools, how one distro relates to another. If you are not interested in how a distro performs on my hardware you can skip that one paragraph and read the other four pages of my review.
3. You said in comment 45 that I "continually have problems with distros" refering to hardware problems. That is a bit of a stretch. I experiment with around hafl a dozen different distros each week and might only run into a few each month that have hardware related issues. That's a problem occurring less than 10% of the time. Considering the wide variety of distros I experiment with I'd say that's pretty good.
47 • Linux in general (by erinis on 2015-04-08 01:30:35 GMT from North America)
It never senses to amaze me how some comments on here complain about an OS or that OS or that comment that Jesse said. It's your choice to in life to waste your time and waste a cdrw. The bonus gratuitous is that it is Free and after 16 years of linux the answer is clear but some do not see it. Thanks
48 • Void Linux (by Will B on 2015-04-08 05:56:29 GMT from North America)
Well, after a couple of hours of messing around, finally got Void Linux (Xfce version) installed in a VM.
There should really be a link to the void-installer program on the desktop or in the menu.
The included terminal font is really bad (and is not Monospace at all), so it makes text difficult to read, at least until you can install a font that includes a monospace variety.
I didn't have as hard a time finding information about runit as Jesse did, but maybe I wasn't looking in the same places as he did. It's a decent system, and isn't overly complicated, nor do you need to fiddle with units, targets and what-not.
Overall it's a very rough and unpolished distro, but because it boots super-fast and it doesn't have systemd, I'll tinker with it a bit and see if I like it.
Thanks Jesse for the review, and thanks Void Linux folks for the distro. :-)
49 • No OS is perfect (by Dion on 2015-04-08 06:07:46 GMT from North America)
I agree with Jesse. No operating system or platform is perfect. It is a simple matter of what limitations and faults you are willing to deal with.
I have been fixing computers and working in IT for 20+ years.
The two OSes I use are Windows 8.1 and ChaletOS. On my hardware, they are unremarkable and boring. I am rarely going under the hood to fix issues. That is what I am looking for.
50 • @43 (by @43 on 2015-04-08 10:39:48 GMT from South America)
So what you are saying is everybody should only use Intel. Sounds like you need to only use a MAC as that is Intel only. I for one don't touch the overpriced Intel CPU the extortionate prices can not be justified. As they almost give them away to the industry then rip of the general public that is called unfair competition. Jesse Is quite right using everyday hardware as that is what helps to make distros more compatible, AMD is more than capable hardware and he should not have to tinker just to make a review that is compatible to you that would not be a fair review now would it to other users. All my motherboards apart from a notebook have AMD processors I have no problems apart from Linux is a bit slow with GPU drivers for both Nvidia/AMD Intel on the other hand Intel openly admits there GPU drivers are less than adequate performance wise and very outdated, performance wise check the performance ratings for the top ten GPUs you will get a big surprise as AMD is at the top of the game performance and price wise.
51 • Devuan (by Linux Apocalypsis on 2015-04-08 11:33:31 GMT from Europe)
Yes, the Devuan site is hardly readable. I needed to do "Edit -> Select All" (or "Ctrl + A") in Firefox in order to be able to read it. And it was interesting.
52 • @36 (ChaletOS) (by Peter on 2015-04-08 14:47:24 GMT from Europe)
Carlos, I understand what you feel about it being just a bit too "windowish", but if you consider it as a substitution system for Windows refugees ( quite a few from uncertain Win XP installations) then it isn't so bad. Mind you, I'm a KDE fan, but I have witnessed a few cases of casual/novice users who seem lost if they don't recognize their shapes, colours or icons.
When even explaining to a newbie that there is no "C:/" is a "do or die" situation in some cases, all the similarities I can obtain in all the rest are welcome.
Funny enough, if it's a smartphone (Android or iOS), even though it's a much bigger change in attitude for them, they well end up coping.
ChaletOS works well and has sensible choices. I've remastered copies for specific users, depending on what they new best: Win XP or Win 8 style, Office 2003 or 2007 (or the default WPS), adding some recovery software and file managers. I may not convince many users of switching to Linux, but they will have safe and reliable emergency CD's, and later on, who knows. :)
53 • @44 • Void (by mandog on 2015-04-08 15:54:57 GMT from South America)
open the terminal type void-install the installer will open I would do the partitioning 1st before using the void live disc as it can fail you can use minimal partitioning in VB / make sure its marked "bootable" and swap
54 • @51 (Devuan) (by György on 2015-04-08 16:12:20 GMT from Europe)
And Devuanists surely read DW comments...
55 • void-install (by brad on 2015-04-08 16:26:34 GMT from North America)
@53 - thanks! If I ever get around to installing it, I will use parted/Gparted first - I've noticed that some distros (Gentoo-derived and BSD-derived) seem to prefer having the disk partitioned beforehand. I know I can do the partitions during the install, but I feel more comfortable setting up the partitions ahead of time.
I appreciate the fact that the distro is not dependent on systemd, and that I (possibly) have a go-to distro if systemd takes over the planet; however, I feel that with enough push-back from the user community, that the systemd folks will reconsider the scale/scope of the project. : - )
56 • @55 Void install (by mandog on 2015-04-08 19:50:37 GMT from South America)
Sorry made a typo error its void-installer this is a link to step by step ish install guide. http://www.cupoflinux.com/SBB/index.php?topic=2300.0
57 • Review hardware gripes (by cykodrone on 2015-04-08 20:42:13 GMT from North America)
I have to chime in. No offence Jesse but your hardware has been around for quite some time now, so it *should* be well supported, that being said, for a distro that professes to be lite and simple, older hardware owners should be a big part of their audience. Jesse's hardware is not that exotic, a lot of proprietary PC makers base their models on AMD (lower production costs = bigger profits), the person I live with has such a PC, a Compaq made by HP, which I tech from time to time (even if it is Windows 7).
Why should distros get an easy pass on the most common hardware (stuff made by a certain overpriced monopoly)? I want the underdog to be supported, if they're not, they get pushed to the fringe of the hardware market and eventually disappear. If and when that happens, have fun paying $1G for a mid-level CPU.
Now on to my machine, I just built an AMD machine last fall containing their 990FX chipset, I didn't know about the IOMMU problem with the Linux kernel (this affects ALL distros based on Linux and most 900 series chipset based boards with IOMMU, my board also has VIA chip controlled USB 3.0), I did not cry, I found the solution (add iommu=soft to the kernel boot parameter line, live or installed) and used it, but if others (noobs) aren't aware of this, they'll throw their hands in the air and go back to Windows (my tinfoil hat says this scenario sounds a bit like the 'secure boot' sham). I shouldn't have had to hunt this solution down, by the time my machine was built, it was a 2 year old 'bug'. This is rather sad because AMD is pro Linux and try to improve things with new innovations here and there but always seem to wind up under the bus for some reason or another. AAMOF, the 'other guy' can thank AMD for some of the features they are now using in their products (popularizing 64-bit in the consumer desktop market), they may wear the crown for single thread performance but when it comes to new features and Linux friendly support, AMD kicks their rear.
I purposely left Wintel (CPU unique ID really cheesed me off, never forgot it) and that other huge GPU maker (green eye logo), I don't want to go back, over my computer's dead body, so if any distro is overly fussy about which hardware it MIGHT like, then it's NOT really a mainstream distro, it's a fringe distro, and it will stay in the fringes, and probably die a sad and quiet death there.
58 • Grub Customizer (by M.Z. on 2015-04-08 20:58:23 GMT from Planet Mars)
So I played with Grub Customizer on my laptop & had the exact same problem as Jesse, that Appearance tab does nothing for me either. Otherwise it does some nice stuff to make changing Grub easier, & it auto detects newer kernels & sets them to boot by default while leaving options to boot to old kernels.
@34 Always check your distro forums first, those are there for tech support rather than to make general comments. As for your question I ran into a similar issue recently where I tried to run compiz on an old system that couldn't handle it. If you can't get in through recovery mode, you can probably use the key combo Ctrl + Alt + F2 to drop you to command line. From there you login with your name & password, then just look up what the forums say & keep typing until it works again. I've also been bitten by that urge to play with Linux in a way that breaks things, but after you pull your hair out & do enough searching you usually realize its been a learning experience. Good luck :)
59 • review hardware (by frodopogo on 2015-04-10 21:27:26 GMT from North America)
Jessie,
Thank you for the response, and thank you for all your reviews. And sorry if I've opened a can of worms for you!
You said:
"2. The majority of each of my reviews does not focus on hardware. I talk a mostly about software provided, installers, configuration tools, how one distro relates to another. If you are not interested in how a distro performs on my hardware you can skip that one paragraph and read the other four pages of my review."
And this is precisely what I'm interested in reading in your reviews... and you cover those things well. That's why I'm so disappointed when there's a hardware incompatibility and you never get the opportunity to get to that "good stuff"! It's really the key factor in me deciding whether I want to even bother. As erinnis said, I can make a decision to waste a CD-R or DVD-R. Ultimately the acid test is whether it runs on MY hardware. But it's your reviews in #2 that make me willing to go through the trouble of downloading and burning a bootable disk or USB stick. If you have problems with the distro regarding the stuff listed in item 2 above, I won't waste my time OR the DVD-R. If there is a hardware failure, as there was this week, it leaves a VOID (pardon the pun!) in my knowledge of that distro.... MAYBE it would have passed the items in #2 with flying colors and the descriptions made it sound like it would be my ideal distro- maybe it has a key feature I would love, and since I have an Intel machine in the living room, and an AMD machine in the bedroom, it would still be worth it for me to download.
Rather than being a make or break hardware test, I see the reviews as being a source of information about a distro. If there were a hardware failure on one machine, but not the hypothetical other, it would put a caution light in my mind about compatibility, but if the features were REALLY good, I might still be willing to take the gamble on the compatibility. Of course, if there were hardware failures on BOTH, that would be a massive RED LIGHT.
Eh.... I only got four hours of sleep last night, and I think I'm rambling. I don't want you to think I don't appreciate your reviews- I DO, a lot. You alone can decide whether it's worth your while to add a second machine to your reviews.... and it sounds like you HAVE decided "NO", and I accept that- thank you!
60 • When version and vintage rule (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2015-04-11 05:14:11 GMT from North America)
Many reviews of Linux distros illustrate the roll-the-dice nature of finding a compatible mix of software for a particular computer. Some distro communities have a (very hard-fought) reputation for finding ways to get things to work together.
When a test ISO even fails on a virtual machine, I wonder would be a reasonable baseline VM. Perhaps the trend toward app-centric VMs will tell.
I do find the assumption that all "old" or "low-spec" hardware is 32-bit a 'bit' grating: 64-bit has been around since before Y2K, and mass-production thereof hit its stride thereafter; it often had 32-bit software simply because there was so much available, and so little new. Even then, running concurrent processes on multiple cores allowed some productivity gains, IF used.
61 • Enter the Void despite all odds (by far2fish on 2015-04-11 10:03:42 GMT from Europe)
I really enjoy Jessie's reviews, and on several occasions his reviews has either prompted me to try a distro, or cancel plans to try a distro.
Despite this, I found the review of Void Linux to be very inspiring. Despite all the HW issues Jessie met, I don't think I have been more eager to try a distro, and I will download Void right away. Will be interesting to try runit and xbps.
62 • LMDE 2 & Grub Customizer (by M.Z. on 2015-04-11 18:56:23 GMT from Planet Mars)
So I've been playing with LMDE 2 & Grub Customizer, & noticed a few things.
The bad parts of Grub Customizer are 1) it didn't detect my old Mageia install that hasn't played nice with Mint in the past, so no help there. 2) there seem to be a lot of extra LMDE entries on the boot list by default after I installed LMDE. 3) I still don't think it does much to theme Grub.
On the upside Grub Customizer made getting LMDE into Grub very easy, and it changes the layout of the entries quick & easy.
As for LMDE 2, well at least the installer noticed that old copy of Mageia that Grub Customizer never saw, & LMDE got put in Mageia's place fairly quickly. I've also noticed that LMDE 2 Cinnamon seems to be using about 180 Mb less RAM after the desktop loads than Mint 17.1 Cinnamon. It also seems to load the desktop about a second quicker than 17.1 Cinnamon, so the Mint team more than fixed any load time issues. There are also a few minor differences in the Cinnamon theme like thinner progress bars, & a switch to a newer version of Gnome system monitor. Sadly Gnome system monitor 3.14 has trouble working with Cinnamon themes & only displays a jarring combination of the Mint-X/default theme & the new Adwaita/Gnome 3 style. Traditional menus have been replaced by a popup on the left side of the oversized titlebar/tab strip in the app. I know the Mint team have no control over what goes on at Gnome, but it is a somewhat jarring effect to see a default app so poorly integrated with Cinnamon themes. I also noticed that the splash screen isn't displayed while LMDE is booting & I get a string of text whizzing by instead. I actually prefer that sort of raw unthemed look, so I'm not complaining, but it is different from the icon in the middle of the screen when Mint 17.1 boots. Everything else about LMDE2 is great so far.
63 • "Splash", especially Boot (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2015-04-12 01:38:32 GMT from North America)
As a resident of Planet Dust\\\\Earth, I second the opinion from our esteemed colleague Planet Mars: instead of showing (parallel/concurrent?) %/stepwise progress, an utterly worse-than-worthless Mickey-Mouse/dumb-down/thumb-twiddle stalling animation. "a string of text whizzing by" is eminently preferable thereto.
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