| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 589, 15 December 2014
Welcome to this year's 50th issue of DistroWatch Weekly! Modern operating systems are made up of many complex components. Our computers need to deal with user accounts, permissions, multiple file systems, any number of removable devices, drivers and the many programs which make up a modern desktop operating system. Understanding how all the pieces fit together is difficult and being a developer who works on those pieces is even harder still. This week we talk about a book, appropriately called How Linux Works, that explains the many interlocking pieces of a Linux-based operating system and how they fit together. In our Feature this week we share a review of the Parsix distribution which takes the popular Debian GNU/Linux operating system and tries to make it more appealing to desktop users. In our News section we discuss Fedora's latest release, Canonical's plans for a minimal server distribution with isolated services and the PC-BSD project's attempt to fix problems with their upgrade process. Plus we share the latest distribution releases and list the new projects added to our waiting list. We wish you all a delightful week and happy reading!
|Feature Story (by Jesse Smith)
Parsix GNU/Linux 7.0 - a desktop Debian distribution
According to the distribution's website, "Parsix GNU/Linux is a live and installation DVD based on Debian. Our goal is to provide a ready to use, easy to install, desktop and laptop optimized operating system based on Debian's stable branch and the latest stable release of GNOME desktop environment." I quite enjoyed the last few versions of Parsix. I feel the project has done a nice job of taking Debian and using it as a base to create a friendly, desktop-oriented operating system. Parsix, in its purpose and past performance, has appeared to me to be similar to Linux Mint "Debian" edition, a user-friendly layer on top of a stable Debian base.
The latest version of Parsix GNU/Linux is available in two builds. There is a 32-bit and a 64-bit x86 build. Both downloads are approximately 1.1 GB in size. Booting from the project's media brings up a menu asking if we would like to launch Parsix in graphics mode or in a text mode. Taking the graphical option launches the GNOME 3 desktop.
GNOME is laid out with its application menu in the upper-left corner of the display and the system tray in the upper-right. The central section of the top bar displays the current time. Icons for browsing the file system and launching the project's installer sit on the desktop. Shortly after GNOME finished loading I clicked on the application menu button and GNOME immediately crashed. I was logged out and presented with a login screen. From the login screen we can sign in to either GNOME 3's full featured desktop (from which I had just been evicted) or we can sign in to a GNOME Classic environment. The Classic environment looks and acts in a similar fashion to the legacy GNOME 2 desktop, though with some slight differences to the appearance of menus and buttons. With a little trial and error I found I could login to the default user account (and access GNOME Classic) if I provided the operating system with the password "parsix".
Parsix GNU/Linux 7.0 - browsing the web with Iceweasel
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Once I was logged into GNOME's Classic desktop and determined the environment was stable I launched the distribution's system installer. Parsix ships with a graphical installer which first checks to see if we have a spare partition available and swap space on the hard drive. We are then told we can change the drive's layout if we want and we are given a chance to open the GParted partition manager. Using GParted we can divide up the local drive as we wish and then return to the system installer. Parsix's installer asks if we would like to install a fresh copy of the operating system or upgrade an existing installation. Taking the option for a fresh installation we are then asked which partition should hold the Parsix operating system and we can select the partition from a list.
We are then asked which file system should be used on the partition with options including ext3, ext4, JFS and ReiserFS. The next few screens ask us to create a user account for ourselves and to set a password on the root account. We are then asked to create a name for our computer and, finally, we are shown a confirmation screen where the installer lists all the actions it will take. Once we confirm the installer may proceed, it copies its files to our hard drive. When the installer finishes its work, it exits and returns us to the desktop.
Upon rebooting the computer, Parsix GNU/Linux loads and we are shown a grey graphical login screen. Here we can sign into our account and launch either the GNOME Shell desktop or GNOME Classic. I mentioned a few weeks ago in my review of Trisquel that I haven't been using the GNOME desktop much of late. However, my time with Trisquel was quite positive and so I felt optimistic going into my trial with Parsix. The positive feeling did not last. As I mentioned earlier, GNOME Shell proved to be an unstable (and slow) desktop environment. Even with the proper drivers installed for 3-D support, GNOME Shell lagged a lot. As a result, I spent most of my time using GNOME Classic.
The Classic desktop was not going to win any speed tests either, it lagged noticeably, but did perform better than GNOME Shell. Several times GNOME Classic crashed or froze, either sending me back to the login screen or forcing me to reboot the machine. By default, Parsix's desktop is designed to lock after a few minutes and rather than have the user simply press a key to restore the display, the user must click and drag the screen saver out of the way, an awkward movement to perform with a mouse. Perhaps on a touch screen the swiping gesture would be more convenient, but on a traditional desktop, it feels out of place.
I also noticed that GNOME Classic ran a "Location" service by default. There isn't a lot of documentation I could find about what Location does, but it appears as though the Location service tracks the user's current position. This may be useful for programs like weather widgets. The Locations service can be disabled through the system tray. Another quirk I discovered was GNOME Classic, for the first day I was running Parsix, would not allow me to logout or shutdown the computer from within the Classic desktop. Clicking the shutdown/logout button simply returned me to the Classic desktop. On the second day of my trial the logout/shutdown button started working, immediately following a software update.
Parsix GNU/Linux 7.0 - managing software packages and services
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Speaking of updates, there does not appear to be any form of notification in place to let the user know when a software update becomes available. Instead we can locate the update manager in the distribution's application menu. The update application is pretty simple in its design, showing us a list of waiting software updates. We can click a box next to each item we want to download. During my trial I downloaded 10 new packages, totalling 37 MB in size. These updates all installed cleanly and I had no problems with the update manager.
On the subject of software management, Parsix ships with a graphical package manager we can use to find, install and remove software. The package manager is divided into two parts. On the left side of the window we see categories of software and on the right we see specific packages in the given category. We can also search for packages using a specific name. Installing or removing software is straight forward and just requires clicking a box next to a package's name and clicking the "Apply" button at the top of the window. For the most part the package manager worked well for me. The simple approach to managing software is convenient and the interface is clean.
I did find that search results pulled in a lot of items, sometimes making me wish there were more filtering options. A search for the Totem video player, for example, brought up over a page of results that included libraries, data packages and plugins. It would have been nice to have been able to filter results to include just desktop applications. The Parsix project maintains its own software repository which borrows a good deal from Debian Stable. I did notice though that some available packages do not match version numbers in Debian's main repositories. I suspect Parsix is either creating some custom packages for their users or drawing from Debian's Backports repository to get more up to date software.
Parsix GNU/Linux 7.0 - changing GNOME's desktop settings
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Digging through Parsix's application menu we find a fairly standard collection of software. The Iceweasel web browser (a re-branded version of Firefox) is included along with the Adobe Flash plugin. We are given the Transmission bittorrent client, the XChat IRC client, the Empathy instant messaging software and the FileZilla file transfer software. The LibreOffice productivity software is included along with the Grisbi accounting software and the Evolution e-mail client. We can also find the Brasero disc burning software, the Cheese web cam utility, an audio recorder and the VLC multimedia player.
I found that audio files played without any problems but I ran into a few issues with video files. For example, playing a video in the VLC player would offer audio and video, but the video was always in black and white. I installed the Totem multimedia player and found it produced audio, but there was no accompanying video. Looking further through the application menu we find the GNU Image Manipulation Program, the Inkscape application and the xFar Dic translation program. I found xFar Dic could be used to translate text, but asking the application to "speak" a word out loud caused the application to crash.
Parsix GNU/Linux 7.0 also ships with the Htop process monitor, the Midnight Commander file manager, a settings panel and a document viewer. There is also a desktop environment tweak tool for changing the appearance of GNOME. Parsix ships with a services manager, but I found this program did not display available services properly as only one item in the list of dozens of services could be viewed at a time. Parsix provides us with a calculator, archive manager, the GParted partition manager and a text editor. In the background we find Java is available, the GNU Compiler Collection is installed and Network Manager is provided to help us get on-line. Parsix ships with the Linux kernel, version 3.14.
I tried running Parsix in two environments, a physical desktop machine and a VirtualBox virtual machine. Parsix was unable to boot on my desktop test box. I downloaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit builds and neither would load on physical hardware. When running in VirtualBox, even with 3-D support and guest additions installed, Parsix was sluggish. This was most obvious when running GNOME Shell, but I found GNOME's Classic desktop was slow to respond too, especially when opening the application menu. This was in strong contrast to the way the GNOME Classic desktop ran in my trial of Trisquel 7.0. Under Trisquel, GNOME Classic was responsive and stable, but Parsix's GNOME desktop was slow and crashed nearly every day of my trial. I found the 64-bit build of Parsix used approximately 260MB of RAM when logged into the Classic desktop.
In the past I have generally had good experiences with Parsix. In recent years I've tended to think of Parsix as a solid, conservative branch of the Debian family, adding just enough desktop oriented software and configuration tweaks to make Debian more desktop ready. However, Parsix 7.0 was a disappointment for me. While the installer worked well and the configuration panel was functional, I ran into several bugs. The operating system wouldn't run at all on my physical test machine, the desktop crashed, on average, about once per day and a couple of default applications either crashed or locked up during my trial. The package manager was functional, but tended to provide too many search results to be helpful. Multimedia support was provided, but didn't work as well as I would have liked. Being based on Debian's Stable branch some software felt out of date, particularly the LibreOffice productivity suite.
Overall, my experiences with the latest version of Parsix GNU/Linux made a poor impression. Some of the issues were certainly hardware related and may not affect other users, but several appeared to be poor design/implementation decisions or a result of bugs missed during testing. I'd also like to see the Parsix distribution offer a wider range of editions to provide a wider variety of desktop environments out of the box. Perhaps a different desktop environment would have offered a more stable and more responsive experience.
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Hardware used in this review
My physical test equipment for this review was a desktop HP Pavilon p6 Series with the following specifications:
- Processor: Dual-core 2.8 GHz AMD A4-3420 APU
- Storage: 500 GB Hitachi hard drive
- Memory: 6 GB of RAM
- Networking: Realtek RTL8111 wired network card
- Display: AMD Radeon HD 6410D video card
|Miscellaneous News (by Jesse Smith and Ladislav Bodnar)
Fedora 21 arrives, Canonical introduces "Snappy" images, PC-BSD tests new update process, Gentoo migrates handbooks to Wiki
The big news last week was the launch of Fedora 21, a long awaited release from the Red Hat sponsored community distribution. It has been a year since the usually fast-moving distribution put out a new version and the project has been talking a lot about their new product line up. Fedora 21 will be the distribution's first release with three product branches (Cloud, Server and Workstation), accompanied by several community spins. The new release also features a new graphical package manager and experimental Wayland display server support. Further details can be found in the distribution's release notes.
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Mark Shuttleworth announced last week that Canonical is testing new Ubuntu images called "Snappy". The Snappy images are an attempt to improve application isolation and prevent software updates to one program or library from affecting other applications or services. Snappy applications will run on top of Ubuntu Core, a minimal distribution that will allow administrators to apply atomic updates and roll back upgrades to recover the operating system: "The snappy system keeps each part of Ubuntu in a separate, read-only file, and does the same for each application. That way, developers can deliver everything they need to be confident their app will work exactly as they intend, and we can take steps to keep the various apps isolated from one another." The new Ubuntu Core with Snappy applications presents a solution which appears to be similar to Red Hat's Atomic Host.
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Two weeks ago the PC-BSD project removed updates which would allow users to upgrade PC-BSD 10.0 installations to 10.1. This change followed several reports of users being unable to successfully upgrade their operating system. Work has been done to the PC-BSD update manager and the project is now in the process of testing the upgrade procedure: "The new PC-BSD Update Manager CLI utility is available and ready for testing. There is a lot of fresh code and a lot of new methodology so we need your help to test the update before release to the rest of the community." Instructions for testing the new upgrade procedure can be found on the project's testing mailing list.
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One of the best aspects of a highly technical distribution like Gentoo Linux is the project's ability to deliver excellent documentation. In the old days, the developers chose to provide their handbooks in XML format, but the emergence of easy-to-use Wiki-style documentation has superseded most other formats in many open-source software projects. Gentoo Linux is no exception. As reported last week by Sven Vermeulen the ever so excellent Gentoo handbooks have now also been migrated to the Gentoo Wiki pages: "The Gentoo Handbooks were the only user-oriented documents that were not on the Gentoo Wiki yet. And although 'back in the days' the choice for the XML-based documentation development was valid (offline development of documentation was a primary concern) times have changed, as well as documentation developer abilities. The need to train users into the dark corners of GuideXML (and the almost programmatic approach to the Gentoo Handbooks) pushes down hard on the team's growth. And that in essence is the second reason as well: the Gentoo Documentation Project is no longer the huge project it once was. We reduced from over 20 authors/editors to only one or two active members - and even those do not do it "full time" anymore. Moving towards a better known (and popular) documentation platform makes sense."
|Book Review (by Jesse Smith)
Book Review: How Linux Works
One of the nice things about Linux is that it is honest. What Linux does and how its tasks are accomplished are open to public viewing. At any point we can pop the proverbial hood on our operating system and see what Linux is doing and why. This makes it easier to understand why Linux does things the way it does, transparency makes it easier to spot and fix problems and it makes it easier for people to extend and improve their operating system. The book How Linux Works by Brian Ward dives straight into the transparent depths of Linux-based operating systems and shows us how all the pieces fit together.
Typically when I share a book or resource it is because I feel that resource will be of immediate, practical assistance to people. I like to share books that discuss setting up services, trouble-shooting network problems or getting the most out of desktop applications. How Linux Works deals less with practical day-to-day issues and deals more with what the operating system is doing under the surface while we are using it. While other texts talk about creating files or scanning through logs, How Linux Works deals with the methods programs use to talk to the Linux kernel and how files are organized and located on the hard drive. Other books discuss setting up permissions on files and directories, How Linux Works shows us how permissions are implemented. Recently we've been hearing debates over different types of init software, How Linux Works discusses how each init implementation works and goes over the benefits and drawbacks of each one.
Brian Ward's book is for a specific sort of person, someone that is less interested in what their operating system does and more interested in why. Why is accessing swap space slow? What do inodes do and why do we have them? How do threads work? What goes on behind the scenes when the kernel is scheduling processes? Why do we need a boot loader to bring the operating system on-line? All good questions curious people want answers to and Ward has those answers (and many, many more).
Something I like about How Linux Works is there is a certain abstract approach to the text. There are relatively few practical examples or tutorials on display, most of the book is focused on explaining what goes on in the background when we do certain things. As an example, when we browse the contents of a directory, what is going on behind the curtain that allows us to see files and folders? When we measure resources used by a program, what exactly are we looking at and how can that help us? People often talk about userspace and kernel space, but what are these things and what is the difference between the two? These are the sorts of topics tackled by Ward and I found the explanations to be wonderfully clear and to the point. Ward has a gift for describing complex concepts in simple language and he does not let the details of the material bog us down. The book hops quickly from one concept to the next, rapidly painting a broad (and accurate) picture of what Linux is doing behind the scenes and why.
Admittedly, if you are new to Linux and trying to figure out web browsing and package management, then this book is probably going to provide more information than you want to digest right now. However, if you are curious as to how Linux (and similar operating systems) do the things they do, if you want to know (in gritty detail) how the pieces of your operating system fit together, then How Linux Works will answer your questions in clear, concise terms. Modern operating systems are massive, complex systems and Ward has managed to cover all the basics (and then some) in under 400 pages. It is an impressive feat and Ward does an excellent job, in my opinion, of putting the many functions of Linux in context. If you want to know Linux, inside and out, then How Linux Works is a good guide book to get you started.
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- Title: How Linux Works, Second Edition
- Author: Brian Ward
- Published by: No Starch Press
- Pages: 392
- ISBN-10: 1593275676
- ISBN-13: 978-1-59327-567-9
- Available from: No Starch Press. Amazon and other bookstores
|Released Last Week
SparkyLinux 3.6 "LXDE", "MATE", "Razor-qt", "Xfce"
Paweł Pijanowski has announced the release of SparkyLinux 3.6, a set of lightweight Debian-based distributions with a choice of LXDE, MATE, Razor-qt and Xfce desktops: "I am happy to announce the fourth release, and the last this year, of SparkyLinux - 3.6 'Annagerman' LXDE, MATE, Razor-qt and Xfce. At the beginning, I’d like to thank all of our small but strong community members for their help with searching and solving bugs and problems. SparkyLinux 3.6 provides (as usual) all package updates, some bug fixes and small improvements, such as: Linux kernel 3.16.7, Xfce 4.10.1, LXDE 0.99.0, Razor-qt 0.5.2, MATE 1.8.1, Openbox 3.5.2; Twitter's microblogging client Hotot has been replaced by Turpial; the new wallpaper 'Vortex'; Sparky Conky Manager updated to version 0.1.7 with a new battery status applet...." Read the rest of the release announcement for further details.
Jay Flood has announced the release of Porteus 3.1, a set of lightweight Slackware-based distributions and live CDs that come in four separate flavours - with KDE, LXQt, MATE and Xfce desktops: "The Porteus community was delighted to find that Santa had dropped into our chimney a little early this year and left a shiny new Porteus Desktop edition 3.1, as well as Porteus Kiosk edition 3.2.0. A major change in the new desktop edition is the inclusion of the new LXQt desktop which replaces both Razor-qt and LXDE. Changes in this release (relative to 3.1) include: Linux kernel 3.17.4; kernel configuration 0 compiled support for FB_EFI, increased number of Aufs branches to 1024, added input drivers; Porteus installer - user must type 'OK' before MBR will be updated; added 'ntpdate' utility from NTP package which synchronizes the clock over Internet if 'timezone=' cheatcode is enabled...." Read the rest of the release announcement for a full changelog.
Jordan Hubbard has announced the release of FreeNAS 9.3, a brand-new version of the specialist FreeBSD-based operating system for network-attached storage (NAS) systems: "After months of work and close to a thousand bugs resolved, we are very proud and pleased to announce the official release of FreeNAS 9.3. Please come and get it while it's hot! We have also prepared some important upgrade notes for this release which even folks coming from 9.3-BETA may wish to read. If you are one of the folks who jumped on board with 9.3-BETA then you need merely check for and apply the update that will be waiting for you - this will update you to 9.3-RELEASE and automatically jump you to the 9.3-STABLE update train (note: if you got the very last update already, you may need to simply switch manually to the 9.3-STABLE train). If you are not currently on 9.3, then simply grab the GUI or ISO update image and update in the usual way; this is the last time you will need to do so!" See the release announcement and release notes for further information.
Matthew Miller has announced the release of Fedora 21, the latest stable version of Red Hat's community distribution for desktops, servers and the cloud: "The Fedora Project is pleased to announce the release of Fedora 21, ready to run on your desktops, servers and in the cloud. Fedora 21 is a game-changer for the Fedora Project, and we think you're going to be very pleased with the results. As part of the Fedora.next initiative, Fedora 21 comes in three flavors: Cloud, Server, and Workstation. The Fedora Workstation is a new take on desktop development from the Fedora community. Our goal is to pick the best components, and integrate and polish them. This work results in a more polished and targeted system than you've previously seen from the Fedora desktop." Read the release announcement and release notes for detailed information about the release.
Fedora 21 - the default GNOME Shell desktop
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Clonezilla Live 2.3.1-18
Steven Shiau has announced the release of a new stable version of Clonezilla Live, a Debian-based specialist live CD designed for disk cloning and file backup tasks: "This release of Clonezilla Live (2.3.1-18) includes major enhancements and bug fixes: the underlying GNU/Linux operating system has been upgraded, this release is based on the Debian 'Sid' repository as of 2014-12-08; Linux kernel has been updated to 3.16.7; the drbl package has been updated to 2.11.13 and Clonezilla to 3.12.7; syslinux has been updated to 6.03; a mechanism has been added to check if i386 library (libc6-i386 or glibc.i686) exists on x86-64 system when running makeboot.sh due to the fact that syslinux included in Clonezilla Live is 32-bit; Linux kernel i486 has been replaced by i586 because now only i586 kernel exists in the Debian 'Sid' repository...." Read the full release announcement for more details.
Alpine Linux 3.1.0
Natanael Copa has announced the release of Alpine Linux 3.1.0, a security-oriented distribution built from scratch and designed (not only) for server deployments: "We are pleased to announce Alpine Linux 3.1.0, the first release in the 3.1 stable series. This release is built with musl libc and is not compatible with 2.x and earlier, so special care needs to be taken when upgrading. Please refer to the documentation for information on how to perform the upgrade. Some of the new features are: support for Open vSwitch; Xen 4.4; a release build for Rasberry PI (arm hardfloat); some of the desktop applications that got upgraded and are available for 3.1: X.Org Server 1.16.2, Firefox 31.2.0, Gnumeric 1.12.18, Evince 3.14.1, virt-manager 1.1.0, Claws Mail 3.11.0, Hexchat 2.10.2, VLC 2.1.5, Inkscape 0.48.5, GIMP 2.8.14, Audacity 2.0.6." Here is the brief release announcement.
Yann Le Doaré has announced the release of LinuxConsole 2.3, an independent Linux distribution made for game consoles: "LinuxConsole is primarily designed to turn old and semi-old computers into game console centers. The LXDE desktop includes some utilities, scripts to install Firefox 34, Flash player and Google Chrome), and system-management functions (like installing printers). As a bonus, a lightweight package manager called opkg-gui allows you to install and run stable source packages to fill out the basic live CD with the latest software. Several categories are available: games, office, system, education. Based on the goal to revive old computers, this distribution works well on old and semi-old computers with low resources (as low as 256 MB of RAM), it runs on old and new video cards (Intel, NVIDIA, ATI), it can be turned into a live USB image, and it can be installed as a dual-boot system with Windows. Features: locale support for English, French, Spanish, Italian, German, Portuguese and Breton, Linux kernel 3.14.26...." Here is the full release announcement.
Matthias Klumpp announced the release of Tanglu 2.0, a desktop Linux distribution with a choice of KDE or GNOME, based on Debian's "Testing" branch: "We are glad to announce the availability of the second release of Tanglu, code name 'Bartholomea'. This release contains a large amount of updated packages, and ships with the latest release of KDE 4 and GNOME. Tanglu 2 ships with two options to install it: Debian Installer (d-i) and our own live-installer. We recommend to use Debian Installer ('Install Tanglu' option on the live CD boot menu), because a lot of testing went into it and it does a much better job compared to the live installer, which will be replaced with Tanglu 3. The KDE flavor of Tanglu received bug-fix updates for the Plasma workspaces and contains new versions of the KDE applications." See the release announcement and release notes for more details.
Tanglu 2.0 - the distribution's default KDE desktop
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Development, unannounced and minor bug-fix releases
|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
Summary of expected upcoming releases
Distributions added to waiting list|
- Cyborg Hawk. Cyborg Hawk is a Linux distribution for penetration and stress-testing tasks.
- Pratham OS. Pratham OS is a Debian-based Linux distribution for desktop users.
- Linux Royal. Linux Royal is a Ubuntu-based Linux distribution with Unity removed in favour of GNOME Shell.
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DistroWatch database summary
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This concludes this week's issue of DistroWatch Weekly. The next instalment will be published on Monday, 22 December 2014. To contact the authors please send email to:
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1 • Parsix, Fedora and... (by musty on 2014-12-15 09:37:43 GMT from France) |
A Great review of one of my favorite deb based distro : Parsix. It worth it...
Fedora is my other favorite distro and my daily used one. I installed it on 3 of my PC's and it worked like a charm. Everything out of box was OK.
Ps: i have some old servers and i wanted to upgrade Centos 6.6 to Centos 7.0...but, i didn't found a 32 bits version ???? where can I find it ?... Thanks
2 • Fedora 21 (by Terence on 2014-12-15 10:18:37 GMT from United States)
Fedora at this time (since about 18) is my favorite distro. I normally use it as Korora, but I didn't feel like waiting for them, so I installed the vanilla Gnome. YUM is easily my favorite package manager, and I especially love delta RPMs. The download of updates is speedy, even being in China. I did try to run Wayland, but that was a no go. I am not experienced enough to diagnose it as hardware problem or a software problem. Using the trackpad made the cursor move like a jackrabbit on crack and there were graphical glitches with Wayland, so back to X I went.
They still have root setup and user setup on a second screen which I think is silly. I told that Adamson guy that used to hang out here that they should move it to the first page in keeping with the hub and spoke model they speak of. Everything should be on one page IMO. However, at the end of the day, Fedora is the solid armored truck of the distro world and I will continue to use it for years to come I'm sure.
3 • Parsix/ Fedora 21 (by kc1di on 2014-12-15 10:39:50 GMT from United States)
Never Tried Parsix so can't really comment on that one. But thanks for the review , guess I'll wait a bit before trying it out.
Fedora 21 is a pleasant surprise though works great on my Laptop. I'd been having a real problem with streaming content on that machine overheating and shutting down, but so far with Fedora on it it's behaved and worked great.
Only problem I had was on my Desktop Machine , which uses Nvidia legacy - 304xx driver --- the Nvidia drivers do not work at this point.
not sure what the problem is but only get blank screen when they are installed.
4 • @1 Centos 7 32 bit not available (by Davide on 2014-12-15 12:10:30 GMT from Italy)
Only 64 bit architecture is supported
5 • Centos 7 32 bit (by Anglican on 2014-12-15 12:44:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
Although there isn't yet a 32-bit Centos 7, there is a 32-bit re-build of RHEL7 from Springdale Linux (formerly PUIAS).
6 • @jessie (by jaws222 on 2014-12-15 13:35:05 GMT from United States)
"GNOME Shell proved to be an unstable (and slow) desktop environment. Even with the proper drivers installed for 3-D support, GNOME Shell lagged a lot. As a result, I spent most of my time using GNOME Classic"
The Gnome Shell has always been a problem since Parsix and Pinguy adopted it. It is slow and in my cases it eventually crashes. I used to run Parsix years ago in G2 and it was flawless. I love Pinguy so I went and installed Mate on my 12.04 version and it has been working beautifully. I'm not sure why Parsix and Pinguy do not go that route. I guess they figure the Gnome Shell s the future. I'd rather have stability.
7 • Number 6 slow Gnome shell (by Jallain on 2014-12-15 14:35:18 GMT from United States)
If you want a speedy Gnome shell experience try Black Lab Linux (http://www.os4online.com). They have done a marvelous job of tweaking Gnome shell and it is quite snappy and stable. I've been running it for months with no issues at all.
8 • @7 (by jaws222 on 2014-12-15 14:39:14 GMT from United States)
"If you want a speedy Gnome shell experience try Black Lab Linux"
I actually have that in a virtualbox and you're right. So far, so good.
Opensuse 13.1 also did a pretty good job but 13.2 version crashed on me so I went with LXDE.
9 • Fedora 21 (by Richard on 2014-12-15 14:40:41 GMT from United States)
I installed F21 without any hitches. . . the Noveau graphics drivers seem to work real well for the most part. Upon checking their site forums nothing yet for installing nvidia drivers and or extra's (i.e. autoten, easylife, rpmfusion) I suspect it will be a while for them. Other than this it was a smooth installation. I'll keep my eye on them . . . in the meantime I have found a new passion in using 'Manjaro' KDE for now. . .they too are opening eyes.
10 • How Linux Works (by Davidnotcoulthard on 2014-12-15 14:54:21 GMT from Indonesia)
Based on what was written about it I assume how GNU/Linux works would be a wee (well, a lot to me) more correct as a title (regardless of whether it'd sell better with such a title - that's a different matter altogether)?
11 • GNOME Shell (by brad on 2014-12-15 15:15:07 GMT from United States)
Perhaps it's just me, but recently, GNOME Shell has not worked in any live distribution I've been testing - I get a similar warning to the one that Jesse received. Is there a problem with GNOME Shell, rather than the distros?
12 • @10 How GNU/Linux works? (by Pearson on 2014-12-15 16:50:25 GMT from United States)
I reread the review, and to me the book appears to be *very* Linux-centric, so I think even RMS would agree that this wouldn't need the GNU modifier. My understanding of the GNU/Linux argument is that what we call a Linux Distribution is a Linux kernel, using mostly GNU software. I think the book describes everything from a Linux kernel perspective. I doubt it would be very applicable to Hurd or BSD.
13 • Book Review - How Linux Works (by EarlyBird on 2014-12-15 17:42:07 GMT from Canada)
Nice review. I've had an actual paper copy of the book at my side for a number of years. It is one of my essential references, but possibly getting a little dated. Then noticed the cover picture shown was different from my hard copy. Checking nostarch.com, saw it is a newer second edition, so if you buy a paper copy from a bookstore, be sure to get the newer version. Nice thing on the nostarch site was, chapter 4 is a free download - it addresses recent topics such as systemd.
Looking at some of their new titles, I don't think NoStarch gets enough recognition for the quality of their books. We are all familiar with Sams and O'Reilly. For programming texts, I lean towards Wrox publications as being thorough, well written, and having heavy black text which makes for less strain on aging eyes (one of my very few complaints about O'Reilly books which are otherwise also great).
Some recent NoStarch titles that caught my eye include: Black Hat Python, Linux Appliance Design (eg- Noticed my Toshiba LCD TV has at its heart linux base), Automate the boring stuff with Python, and Junkyard Jam Band.
And no, I'm not being paid or benefitted in any way (aside from improving my knowledge) by NoStarch. Of course if they wanted to send ME any free books to review, would do so gladly (something I think O'Reilly already does?).
In addition to "How Linux Works", my other "essential" references would have to include "Slackware Essentials" and "Linux Administration Handbook" by Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, and R\Trent R. Hein". And we musn't forget "Linux from Scratch"....
14 • Fedora 21 (by Bill Donnelly on 2014-12-15 17:43:40 GMT from Canada)
I am running Linux on a old HP desktop computer with 4 GB ram. Installed both Fedora 21 Xfce and Debian Jessie last week. Liked both distro's and had no issues whatsoever during install or with the overall performance of them. Jessie used slightly more memory and slightly heavier on overall resources than Fedora 21 or Debian Wheezy, which is my every day distro.
Have my Blackberry Playbook connected to Debian Wheezy by wireless connection but have been unable to do this with Fedora 20 or 21. Perhaps there is a way to do this but I do not have the necessary network skills to make this happen.
Also installed Fedora 21 Desktop (Gnome) without any issues but I am not that impressed with Gnome. Still like Gnome Classic however.
15 • @2 (by Adam Williamson on 2014-12-15 20:30:26 GMT from Canada)
I still drop by when I can!
The reason the user creation stuff is where it is, is that it doesn't need to be decided before installation starts. So it saves a bit of time if you do it while the install is running. Other choices have to be made before the install process starts.
16 • PCLinuxOS (by Paraquat on 2014-12-15 22:57:38 GMT from Taiwan)
I know that there wasn't any news about it in this week's DWW, but anyway this weekend I installed my "new love," PCLinuxOS. This is the first time that I've used it, and I'm very impressed. I was looking to get away from Ubuntu and, until now, lacked an adequate substitute.
About the only bad thing I can say about PCLinuxOS is that it isn't adequate for server use, but then it doesn't claim to be. It's strictly a desktop system, and for most users, that's all they want. I do have a need for a server too, and right now I'm leaning towards Slackware.
17 • Linux Centric? (by Davidnotcoulthard on 2014-12-15 23:48:17 GMT from Indonesia)
@8 The review doesn't seem Linux-kernel-centric to me. Having said that I haven't read the book itself so my judgement is pretty clouded.
18 • Parsix (by ArthurK on 2014-12-15 23:56:59 GMT from United States)
To be honest I have five different machines running on Parsix and have not experienced any crash issues. They are all Intel HD graphics and NVidia so it may simply be your graphics driver. Did you try using the closed source ATI/AMD driver?
19 • taking control of out of control overwiting libraries (by linuxdog on 2014-12-16 00:20:35 GMT from United States)
I read with interest about "snappy" as a AVlinux user that is what Glen did in his own way. He provided a linux that catered to audio and video. Therefore he locked down the essential programs and related libraries so AVlinux would not be messed up. I have to say he did a great job of it and concurr that if i wished linux to do too many other things I should find what works best in what interests me. I am not an Ubuntu fan, however I believe they are on to something very worthwhile as library overwrite conflicts is something everyone has had handle like it or not.
20 • Fedora 21 (by michael J King on 2014-12-16 10:13:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
So far very impressed with the Latest Fedora Workstation, It its very polished with tutorial video guides for Gnome Shell on first boot. Have been running Crunchbang and openbox since Gnome 3 came along (which was a shock after gnome 2 series but this now seems a very usable and viable option again) Looking forward to the Distrowatch review of Fedora 21
21 • gnome-shell (by linuxista on 2014-12-16 18:13:48 GMT from United States)
@11 I've used gnome-shell on Arch since 3.0, and I've never had any problem with crashes or bugs in any of the releases (except a memory leak on boot with 3.12) up to and including 3.14. I don't know what distros you're using or what hardware, but if that sort of crash making it impossible to boot into the primary desktop environment were widespread, it would be pretty hard to believe.
22 • @21 • gnome-shell (by mandog on 2014-12-16 18:40:05 GMT from Peru)
I can also verify your comments, and also add Gnome does not work very well in Virtual box
23 • Parsix (by Hoos on 2014-12-17 04:25:23 GMT from Singapore)
Parsix ran brilliantly on my old hardware when it used to be based on Debian Testing and used Gnome 2.
Unfortunately it now uses Gnome 3, which my hardware cannot run. I wonder if they will ever release an official MATE spin for users with older hardware. Maybe when Jessie becomes stable?
24 • GNOME shell (by brad on 2014-12-17 12:20:23 GMT from United States)
@21 - thanks! I just wanted to be sure it was my hardware, and not a problem with Shell itself. Jesse's original comment got me wondering, since I had experienced similar problems with GNOME Shell recently. I was comparing GNOME Shell against my favorite DE's, Cinnamon and XFCE, and my recent experiences found GNOME shell lacking stability.
25 • Mint vs Fedora (by Jordan on 2014-12-17 14:49:57 GMT from United States)
Two HDs here in my HP Pavilion M7, one with Mint 17.1 (Cinnamon) and Fedora 21 on the other HD.
Only a few days with Fedora, but I like it ok. It's just that Mint is what I'm used to so Fedora has to capture my imagination so to speak. Fine job by the big heavyweights over at Fedora, for sure.
26 • @17, Book title (by Ricardo on 2014-12-18 03:07:21 GMT from Argentina)
Did you mean @10?
That's exactly his point: since the book is not linux-kernel-centric it should be titled more broadly, so to speak.
27 • @23 Parsix Linux with MATE? (by Kazlu on 2014-12-18 11:16:55 GMT from France)
What you hope sounds very much like Point Linux (Debian Stable base, MATE desktop). You might want to give it a try, if you did not already.
28 • @23 What about Mint? (by Ben Myers on 2014-12-18 13:59:05 GMT from United States)
Mint with Mate is a lot less ponderous than either Cinnamon or Gnome 3, which is a departure from the rest with its look-and-feel. Runs nicely on pretty old laptops.
29 • @27, 28 What about Mint? (by Hoos on 2014-12-18 17:59:43 GMT from Singapore)
I do have Mint MATE installed on a partition and in fact I've been using it whole of today. It's an enjoyable distro with its polish, full-featuredness and its own set of tools/utilities, but it is definitely sluggish on my old desktop when compared to MATE on a Debian-based system. And this is after the tweak to decrease swap use. It was even laggier before that.
I have tried Watt OS r.8 (Wheezy) with MATE. Much faster. Just not very pretty. :-) Also tried Point Linux some time ago. I vaguely remember it worked fine but it just never stood out or attracted me.
Currently my hardware seems happier with XFCE running on other distros, and I'm also testing out Budgie-desktop on my Mint installation, which I've set up with the "traditional menu bar" panel applet to emulate the Gnome 2 panel layout.
30 • Fedora 21, systemd and some personal observations (by far2fish on 2014-12-18 18:13:17 GMT from Denmark)
My first experience with Linux many years ago was on Red Hat Linux and SuSE Linux. Once the Fedora project started up a little over 10 years ago, I have been a devoted user due to the leading edge - and solid - nature of Fedora. During the first 5-6 years I have been using Fedora on my servers at home, but now I don't run any private servers any longer. I have also been using Fedora as my alternate laptop OS with Xfce, KDE and Gnome3. For the past year Fedora 20 with KDE have been my only laptop OS. I have tried distrojumping (to Debian, Ubuntu, Mint), but I always gets back to Fedora.
I will not rant about pros and cons of systemd. You have all read the heated debate before. My own subjective opinion on this is not relevant either. Frankly I am still undecided. I just want to add one personal observation.
With a clean install of Fedora 20 with Gnome3, the boot time on my laptop was 18 seconds.
With a clean install of Fedora 21 with Gnome3, the boot time on my laptop was 7 seconds.
31 • @30 Fedora 21 and systemd. (by Kubelik on 2014-12-19 02:13:40 GMT from Denmark)
Well, these days Fedora is a very polished distro. Thanks to the QA done in Brno and by a lot of users. Not everything is perfect though: "Software" does not yet handle updates. So you have to do a "yum update" in the console.
Systemd has certainly helped shorten the boot time. But it is first of all about making a modern OS, more integrated, less work, less bugs.
Never mind the oldfashioned Unix fans. - GNU is not Unix:)
32 • @31 (by MiRa on 2014-12-19 21:46:22 GMT from Spain)
Just a questio: since when new, modern = better?
GNU/Linux ought to be about security on the first place. And modularity, which also is in some manner a part (and also a result) of the security.
With this kind of "modernity" and "integration" brought by systemd we will soon enough need Linux antivirus software. What will difference from Windows?
Why do you use Linux?
Personally I choose GNU/Linux for security. I'm using a systemd free distro - PCLinuxOS. If systemd will be generalized in Linux, Windows will be a better choice (after BSD, of course).
33 • @32 there is already antivirus software for linux (by Frederic Bezies on 2014-12-19 22:43:37 GMT from France)
It is called clamav => http://www.clamav.net/index.html
Besides your systemd "hate" (even if hate is a strong word), saying that a systemd based linux distribution is no different than windows is... strange to be gentle.
I don't care at all about systemd or any 1980/1990's based system init. I just want my computer to run and to be easy to manage.
I want to know : do you use LibreOffice or Calligra ? There are bloated tool. KDE or Gnome ? Bloated environment.
This system init war is a waste of time and ressources.
34 • init & security (by M.Z. on 2014-12-20 02:22:04 GMT from )
I think the bigger security risk in Linux & related projects is poorly maintained software made by tiny insular groups like the OpenSSL folks. The core problem with OpenSSL seems to have been that a tiny group of devs found that doing their own thing & making code more obscure/hard to read. This seems to have done because it meant more support contracts & money for the few who could wade through the code. From what I know about SystemD, there are developers from multiple Linux shops including Canonical, SUSE, and of course Red Hat. I'd guess that the group makes clean, readable, & well reviewed code that is probably among the most secure init systems currently available. I do agree that a few different init systems that are well maintained & widely used would likely be more secure than one similarly maintained init used across all distros; however, this is a somewhat debatable point. I also have some problems with how well choice is being maintained in Debian during their switch to SystemD; however, this hardly makes them a clone of Windows.
I chose Linux because of the freedom, security, & customization. I like both Mint & PCLinuxOS regardless of SystemD, & would recommend either. Some of the things I don't like in the world of Linux include reduced choice in a big & very open community project like Debian over SystemD, & of course I don't like overblown rhetoric regarding the 'threat' posed by SystemD. There are some problems with this new init system, but it is still open GPL code in the tradition of Linux software parts.
35 • @33 (by MiRa on 2014-12-20 02:38:08 GMT from Spain)
It is called clamav => http://www.clamav.net/index.html
Yes, and there is also an Avast for Linux. But, in fact, these are not for Linux but for scanning the partition(s) shared with Windows (like DATA), or an USB thumb. It is checking for Windows malware. A Windows malware is not affecting a Linux system but you can (re)transmit it to others who are using Windows.
I was speaking about Linux malware.
Besides your systemd "hate" (even if hate is a strong word), saying that a systemd based linux distribution is no different than windows is... strange to be gentle.
I don't care at all about systemd or any 1980/1990's based system init. I just want my computer to run and to be easy to manage.
Please belive me, it is not hate at all. The fact is someone came and said SysV init is no more good because it's too old and have to be replaced. And that's all, without any other real reason. OK,let's go to try another one, no problem... And it wouldn't be any problem so far if systemd would remain only a system init (although it can not be controled).
You say you want a computer easy to manage... with systemd taking over all your system it will be so "integrated" that you will be no more able to manage it as you like. Exactly like Windows.
I want to know : do you use LibreOffice or Calligra ? There are bloted tool.
To be honst, I don't find LibreOffice bloated at all. It is rather simplistic if I only compare it with Microsoft office 2003. I can not do with LO Writer what can I do with Word.
Never used Caligra so I can't comment about it.
KDE or Gnome ? Bloated environment.
I agree. Never liked Gnome, neither 2 nor 3. For its "integrated" approach. So I don't like MATE either. KDE is fine for its modularity although I also agree it's a bit bloated. Neither do I like all this Akonadi, Nepomuk, Baloo things. I have a KDE installation though I'm using for specific tasks.
So, just for your information, my main DE is Xfce. I like it's modularity. And I like LXDE and Enlightenment too.
36 • @34 running in circles ? :D (by Frederic Bezies on 2014-12-20 08:59:35 GMT from France)
"I was speaking about Linux malware."
So let's talk about dozens of useless ubuntu based distributions. This is the real malware in linux world.
"Please belive me, it is not hate at all. The fact is someone came and said SysV init is no more good because it's too old and have to be replaced. And that's all, without any other real reason. OK,let's go to try another one, no problem... And it wouldn't be any problem so far if systemd would remain only a system init (although it can not be controled). "
Really ? No configuration files ? No way to tweak it ? No way to choose services to be run ?
"You say you want a computer easy to manage... with systemd taking over all your system it will be so "integrated" that you will be no more able to manage it as you like. Exactly like Windows."
Been using linux distributions since 1997 on and off with windows, and since 2006 on windows-free computers. Back in 2006, there were no upstart nor any other new generation init system.
And it was hard sometimes to manage. Like for network connections.
"Will be so integrated ?" Well, if funtoo can make you run Gnome (or any other desktop environment) without systemd, it is not that integrated.
I made a video with Gnome and Funtoo in a virtualbox machine. Took me 4 days to build, but there is no systemd in it. And it works... Besides launching gdm automatically.
I built yesterday last libreoffice evolution and it took me nearly 7 hours on my 4 years old computer. Not bloated ? :D
Xfce ? Too bad it doesn't make any release for nearly 3 years now. I wonder if we will see next year Xfce 4.12.
LXQt and Mate are gagging it slowly.
37 • The reason GNU/Linux is used. (by davidnotcoulthard on 2014-12-20 10:08:29 GMT from Indonesia)
"GNU/Linux ought to be about security on the first place. And modularity, which also is in some manner a part (and also a result) of the security"
It's abotu the 4 software freedoms. Nothing less, not much more. It's also the only valid reason for which I use it.
"With this kind of "modernity" and "integration" brought by systemd we will soon enough need Linux antivirus software. What will difference from Windows?
Why do you use Linux?"
38 • UEFI Support (by Keith Joslyn on 2014-12-20 10:47:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
Saddened by the limited support for UEFI BIOS support amongst the Linux distro's (without amending the default BIOS settings). Zorin v9 and Mageia v5(beta) do support the UEFI default settings without issue (thus far). Happily using Zorin and love the interface, installation, 'out of the box' media support, and using the 'Premium' desktop 'look 'n' feel'
39 • @36 (by MiRa on 2014-12-20 14:52:55 GMT from Spain)
"So let's talk about dozens of useless ubuntu based distributions. This is the real malware in linux world."
Fully agree!!! ;D Android anjd Chrome OS too.
I would also add sudo.
40 • Linux Malware (by davidnotcoulthard on 2014-12-20 17:05:29 GMT from Indonesia)
The only malware Linux has got are firmware. Proprietary firmware.
And people thinking it's an operating system, of course!
41 • @34 (by MiRa on 2014-12-20 18:35:51 GMT from Spain)
"The core problem with OpenSSL seems to have been that a tiny group of devs found that doing their own thing & making code more obscure/hard to read. This seems to have done because it meant more support contracts & money for the few who could wade through the code."
Replace OpenSSL with SystemD and you'll be near the truth.
"From what I know about SystemD, there are developers from multiple Linux shops including Canonical, SUSE, and of course Red Hat. I'd guess that the group makes clean, readable, & well reviewed code that is probably among the most secure init systems currently available."
Secure?!... LOL!... The hope is one thing; the truth is another one.
And remember: SystemD isis not only an init system. If it would be so it would be more or less OK.
42 • @41 (by M.Z. on 2014-12-20 22:21:55 GMT from )
I base my conclusions on information from an interview I heard the other week with one of the lead devs. There are certainly some issues with SystemD & we would all likely be better off if there a few good choices in the init department; however, I don't think there is any factual basis for concluding that there are any significant security issues related to SystemD, at least not yet. The fact is there are over a dozen devs from at least three major Linux distros working on SystemD & the project seems like a fairly good citizen as joint community project. There are of course plenty of caveats to go around & things to not like about SystenD, but claiming that up is down just doesn't make it so.
Frankly I'm getting tired of the subject though. You still have a choice & if you want to you can support & use distros that don't use SystemD. I think it is put up or shut up time & if you don't like SystemD then support your preferred alternative distros & ignore SystemD. If you are correct then the non SystemD alternatives will out perform others in DistroWatch stats & gain market-share & mind-share within the Linux community. I really wish the anti-SystemD crowd would just get to a place where they were for something rather than against SystemD. Go help out Devuan or whoever instead of telling us another line about how bad SystemD is. I'd like to have the option in the future, even if the debate gets irksome.
43 • @41 and @42 : what about something else. (by FredBezies on 2014-12-21 09:48:43 GMT from France)
@41 : Ah, bashing Systemd by saying it is the same as systemd...
Never saw that one before.
So, a security oriented software is the same thing as an init system software ? Wow !
"Secure?!... LOL!... The hope is one thing; the truth is another one.
And remember: SystemD isis not only an init system. If it would be so it would be more or less OK."
It is known you CANNOT tweak systemd services to activate or deactivate some of them.
@42 "Frankly I'm getting tired of the subject though. You still have a choice & if you want to you can support & use distros that don't use SystemD. I think it is put up or shut up time & if you don't like SystemD then support your preferred alternative distros & ignore SystemD."
"I really wish the anti-SystemD crowd would just get to a place where they were for something rather than against SystemD. Go help out Devuan or whoever instead of telling us another line about how bad SystemD is. I'd like to have the option in the future, even if the debate gets irksome."
Well said. I think we will see that devuan is a dead distribution in two years from now.
I could be wrong, of course. But only time will tell. Remember Gone Me fork days ? :D
44 • Mystery solved (by Todd Smythe on 2014-12-21 15:34:40 GMT from United States)
A co-worker pronounces distrowatch "dee-strrrr-oh-watch" with the r rolled for a long time and the watch rhyming with match. Deeee strrrr oh watch.
I asked him why and he said, "Look at the names of the distros in there. I mean for God's sake there's a bodhi a steam and an archbang."
"Oh. Ok" I said.
45 • Just shut up already. (by Garon on 2014-12-21 19:04:31 GMT from United States)
All the systemd haters and so called unix experts, if there are any, might as well shut up. You've lost and you would do well to act like grown up and stop crying like babies and accept that fact. You are doing nothing now but making yourselves look like fools by supporting your old fashion, easy to break code. It's time to evolve children. lol
46 • @45 Evolving (by Rev_Don on 2014-12-21 19:11:37 GMT from United States)
I don't think people are against evolving. What they are against is evolving to something that might not be an improvement over what we have now. Change for change sake accomplishes nothing. Give them something that performs better, is more reliable, and is as easy (if not easier) to use and the vast majority of them will gladly accept and support it. Unfortunately there is no evidence that systemd can do any of those things, and definitely not the last.
And for the record, I'm not a systemd hater. I'm just not convinced it's better than what we already have.
47 • systemd hate (by cykodrone on 2014-12-21 21:45:26 GMT from Canada)
I don't hate it either, I do hate the way it's being bulldozed in to almost every distro. We hate losing option(s) and *freedom*. I left W*nd*ws because of svchost style system management, maybe just lump all systemd distros in to one and call it Open W*nd*ws (well, somewhat closed actually, if you take a really close look at systemd). On a personal level, I resent being called names ("crybaby") because of an opinion or choice (or lack of in this case), are we cry babies because we don't other agree with other types of monopolies or oppressive entities? It seems very few systemd shills consider a great many converts *to* Linux left W*nd*ws because of software creep, dictatorial style, secretive embedded processes, etc. Give your heads a shake please.
48 • @47 Ah, freedom... Manon Roland was right back in 1793. (by Frederic Bezies on 2014-12-21 22:08:25 GMT from France)
"I don't hate it either, I do hate the way it's being bulldozed in to almost every distro. We hate losing option(s) and *freedom*."
Which options are lost ? Is there *only* systemd based distributions nowadays ? :)
"I left W*nd*ws because of svchost style system management, maybe just lump all systemd distros in to one and call it Open W*nd*ws"
So, systemd developers are like MS ones ?
"On a personal level, I resent being called names ("crybaby") because of an opinion or choice (or lack of in this case), are we cry babies because we don't other agree with other types of monopolies or oppressive entities?"
Again, Black Sabbath sophomore album title applies again.
"It seems very few systemd shills consider a great many converts *to* Linux left W*nd*ws because of software creep, dictatorial style, secretive embedded processes, etc."
Converts ? Looks like there is less and less every day. Guess why... Dictatorship from some big names of free software ?
Like Manon Roland said before being beheaded : "O Liberty, what crimes are committed in thy name!"
In order to respect liberty and freedom of users, wars are going on. Guess who are winners here...
Give your heads a shake please.
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|• Issue 788 (2018-11-05): Clu Linux Live 6.0, examining RAM consumpion, finding support for older CPUs, more Steam support for running Windows games on Linux, update from Solus team|
|• Issue 787 (2018-10-29): Lubuntu 18.10, limiting application access to specific users, Haiku hardware compatibility list, IBM purchasing Red Hat|
|• Issue 786 (2018-10-22): elementary OS 5.0, why init keeps running, DragonFly BSD enables virtual machine memory resizing, KDE neon plans to drop older base|
|• Issue 785 (2018-10-15): Reborn OS 2018.09, Nitrux 1.0.15, swapping hard drives between computers, feren OS tries KDE spin, power savings coming to Linux|
|• Issue 784 (2018-10-08): Hamara 2.1, improving manual pages, UBports gets VoIP app, Fedora testing power saving feature|
|• Issue 783 (2018-10-01): Quirky 8.6, setting up dual booting with Ubuntu and FreeBSD, Lubuntu switching to LXQt, Mint works on performance improvements|
|• Issue 782 (2018-09-24): Bodhi Linux 5.0.0, Elive 3.0.0, Solus publishes ISO refresh, UBports invites feedback, Linux Torvalds plans temporary vacation|
|• Issue 781 (2018-09-17): Linux Mint 3 "Debian Edition", file systems for SSDs, MX makes installing Flatpaks easier, Arch team answers questions, Mageia reaches EOL|
|• Issue 780 (2018-09-10): Netrunner 2018.08 Rolling, Fedora improves language support, how to customize Kali Linux, finding the right video drivers|
|• Issue 779 (2018-09-03): Redcore 1806, keeping ISO downloads safe from tampering, Lubuntu makes Calamares more flexible, Ubuntu improves GNOME performance|
|• Issue 778 (2018-08-27): GuixSD 0.15.0, ReactOS 0.4.9, Steam supports Windows games on Linux, Haiku plans for beta, merging disk partitions|
|• Issue 777 (2018-08-20): YunoHost 220.127.116.11, limiting process resource usage, converting file systems on Fedora, Debian turns 25, Lubuntu migrating to Wayland|
|• Issue 776 (2018-08-13): NomadBSD 1.1, Maximum storage limits on Linux, openSUSE extends life for 42.3, updates to the Librem 5 phone interface|
|• Issue 775 (2018-08-06): Secure-K OS 18.5, Linux is about choice, Korora tests community spin, elementary OS hires developer, ReactOS boots on Btrfs|
|• Issue 774 (2018-07-30): Ubuntu MATE & Ubuntu Budgie 18.04, upgrading software from source, Lubuntu shifts focus, NetBSD changes support policy|
|• Issue 773 (2018-07-23): Peppermint OS 9, types of security used by different projects, Mint reacts to bugs in core packages, Slackware turns 25|
|• Issue 772 (2018-07-16): Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre 0.2.4, UBports running desktop applications, OpenBSD auto-joins wi-fi networks, boot environments and zedenv|
|• Issue 771 (2018-07-09): Linux Lite 4.0, checking CPUs for bugs, configuring GRUB, Mint upgrade instructions, SUSE acquired by EQT|
|• Issue 770 (2018-07-02): Linux Mint 19, Solus polishes desktop experience, MintBox Mini 2, changes to Fedora's installer|
|• Issue 769 (2018-06-25): BunsenLabs Helium, counting Ubuntu users, UBports upgrading to 16.04, Fedora CoreOS, FreeBSD turns 25|
|• Full list of all issues|
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