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1 • Parsix, Fedora and... (by musty on 2014-12-15 09:37:43 GMT from France) |
A Great review of one of my favorite deb based distro : Parsix. It worth it...
Fedora is my other favorite distro and my daily used one. I installed it on 3 of my PC's and it worked like a charm. Everything out of box was OK.
Ps: i have some old servers and i wanted to upgrade Centos 6.6 to Centos 7.0...but, i didn't found a 32 bits version ???? where can I find it ?... Thanks
2 • Fedora 21 (by Terence on 2014-12-15 10:18:37 GMT from United States)
Fedora at this time (since about 18) is my favorite distro. I normally use it as Korora, but I didn't feel like waiting for them, so I installed the vanilla Gnome. YUM is easily my favorite package manager, and I especially love delta RPMs. The download of updates is speedy, even being in China. I did try to run Wayland, but that was a no go. I am not experienced enough to diagnose it as hardware problem or a software problem. Using the trackpad made the cursor move like a jackrabbit on crack and there were graphical glitches with Wayland, so back to X I went.
They still have root setup and user setup on a second screen which I think is silly. I told that Adamson guy that used to hang out here that they should move it to the first page in keeping with the hub and spoke model they speak of. Everything should be on one page IMO. However, at the end of the day, Fedora is the solid armored truck of the distro world and I will continue to use it for years to come I'm sure.
3 • Parsix/ Fedora 21 (by kc1di on 2014-12-15 10:39:50 GMT from United States)
Never Tried Parsix so can't really comment on that one. But thanks for the review , guess I'll wait a bit before trying it out.
Fedora 21 is a pleasant surprise though works great on my Laptop. I'd been having a real problem with streaming content on that machine overheating and shutting down, but so far with Fedora on it it's behaved and worked great.
Only problem I had was on my Desktop Machine , which uses Nvidia legacy - 304xx driver --- the Nvidia drivers do not work at this point.
not sure what the problem is but only get blank screen when they are installed.
4 • @1 Centos 7 32 bit not available (by Davide on 2014-12-15 12:10:30 GMT from Italy)
Only 64 bit architecture is supported
5 • Centos 7 32 bit (by Anglican on 2014-12-15 12:44:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
Although there isn't yet a 32-bit Centos 7, there is a 32-bit re-build of RHEL7 from Springdale Linux (formerly PUIAS).
6 • @jessie (by jaws222 on 2014-12-15 13:35:05 GMT from United States)
"GNOME Shell proved to be an unstable (and slow) desktop environment. Even with the proper drivers installed for 3-D support, GNOME Shell lagged a lot. As a result, I spent most of my time using GNOME Classic"
The Gnome Shell has always been a problem since Parsix and Pinguy adopted it. It is slow and in my cases it eventually crashes. I used to run Parsix years ago in G2 and it was flawless. I love Pinguy so I went and installed Mate on my 12.04 version and it has been working beautifully. I'm not sure why Parsix and Pinguy do not go that route. I guess they figure the Gnome Shell s the future. I'd rather have stability.
7 • Number 6 slow Gnome shell (by Jallain on 2014-12-15 14:35:18 GMT from United States)
If you want a speedy Gnome shell experience try Black Lab Linux (http://www.os4online.com). They have done a marvelous job of tweaking Gnome shell and it is quite snappy and stable. I've been running it for months with no issues at all.
8 • @7 (by jaws222 on 2014-12-15 14:39:14 GMT from United States)
"If you want a speedy Gnome shell experience try Black Lab Linux"
I actually have that in a virtualbox and you're right. So far, so good.
Opensuse 13.1 also did a pretty good job but 13.2 version crashed on me so I went with LXDE.
9 • Fedora 21 (by Richard on 2014-12-15 14:40:41 GMT from United States)
I installed F21 without any hitches. . . the Noveau graphics drivers seem to work real well for the most part. Upon checking their site forums nothing yet for installing nvidia drivers and or extra's (i.e. autoten, easylife, rpmfusion) I suspect it will be a while for them. Other than this it was a smooth installation. I'll keep my eye on them . . . in the meantime I have found a new passion in using 'Manjaro' KDE for now. . .they too are opening eyes.
10 • How Linux Works (by Davidnotcoulthard on 2014-12-15 14:54:21 GMT from Indonesia)
Based on what was written about it I assume how GNU/Linux works would be a wee (well, a lot to me) more correct as a title (regardless of whether it'd sell better with such a title - that's a different matter altogether)?
11 • GNOME Shell (by brad on 2014-12-15 15:15:07 GMT from United States)
Perhaps it's just me, but recently, GNOME Shell has not worked in any live distribution I've been testing - I get a similar warning to the one that Jesse received. Is there a problem with GNOME Shell, rather than the distros?
12 • @10 How GNU/Linux works? (by Pearson on 2014-12-15 16:50:25 GMT from United States)
I reread the review, and to me the book appears to be *very* Linux-centric, so I think even RMS would agree that this wouldn't need the GNU modifier. My understanding of the GNU/Linux argument is that what we call a Linux Distribution is a Linux kernel, using mostly GNU software. I think the book describes everything from a Linux kernel perspective. I doubt it would be very applicable to Hurd or BSD.
13 • Book Review - How Linux Works (by EarlyBird on 2014-12-15 17:42:07 GMT from Canada)
Nice review. I've had an actual paper copy of the book at my side for a number of years. It is one of my essential references, but possibly getting a little dated. Then noticed the cover picture shown was different from my hard copy. Checking nostarch.com, saw it is a newer second edition, so if you buy a paper copy from a bookstore, be sure to get the newer version. Nice thing on the nostarch site was, chapter 4 is a free download - it addresses recent topics such as systemd.
Looking at some of their new titles, I don't think NoStarch gets enough recognition for the quality of their books. We are all familiar with Sams and O'Reilly. For programming texts, I lean towards Wrox publications as being thorough, well written, and having heavy black text which makes for less strain on aging eyes (one of my very few complaints about O'Reilly books which are otherwise also great).
Some recent NoStarch titles that caught my eye include: Black Hat Python, Linux Appliance Design (eg- Noticed my Toshiba LCD TV has at its heart linux base), Automate the boring stuff with Python, and Junkyard Jam Band.
And no, I'm not being paid or benefitted in any way (aside from improving my knowledge) by NoStarch. Of course if they wanted to send ME any free books to review, would do so gladly (something I think O'Reilly already does?).
In addition to "How Linux Works", my other "essential" references would have to include "Slackware Essentials" and "Linux Administration Handbook" by Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, and R\Trent R. Hein". And we musn't forget "Linux from Scratch"....
14 • Fedora 21 (by Bill Donnelly on 2014-12-15 17:43:40 GMT from Canada)
I am running Linux on a old HP desktop computer with 4 GB ram. Installed both Fedora 21 Xfce and Debian Jessie last week. Liked both distro's and had no issues whatsoever during install or with the overall performance of them. Jessie used slightly more memory and slightly heavier on overall resources than Fedora 21 or Debian Wheezy, which is my every day distro.
Have my Blackberry Playbook connected to Debian Wheezy by wireless connection but have been unable to do this with Fedora 20 or 21. Perhaps there is a way to do this but I do not have the necessary network skills to make this happen.
Also installed Fedora 21 Desktop (Gnome) without any issues but I am not that impressed with Gnome. Still like Gnome Classic however.
15 • @2 (by Adam Williamson on 2014-12-15 20:30:26 GMT from Canada)
I still drop by when I can!
The reason the user creation stuff is where it is, is that it doesn't need to be decided before installation starts. So it saves a bit of time if you do it while the install is running. Other choices have to be made before the install process starts.
16 • PCLinuxOS (by Paraquat on 2014-12-15 22:57:38 GMT from Taiwan)
I know that there wasn't any news about it in this week's DWW, but anyway this weekend I installed my "new love," PCLinuxOS. This is the first time that I've used it, and I'm very impressed. I was looking to get away from Ubuntu and, until now, lacked an adequate substitute.
About the only bad thing I can say about PCLinuxOS is that it isn't adequate for server use, but then it doesn't claim to be. It's strictly a desktop system, and for most users, that's all they want. I do have a need for a server too, and right now I'm leaning towards Slackware.
17 • Linux Centric? (by Davidnotcoulthard on 2014-12-15 23:48:17 GMT from Indonesia)
@8 The review doesn't seem Linux-kernel-centric to me. Having said that I haven't read the book itself so my judgement is pretty clouded.
18 • Parsix (by ArthurK on 2014-12-15 23:56:59 GMT from United States)
To be honest I have five different machines running on Parsix and have not experienced any crash issues. They are all Intel HD graphics and NVidia so it may simply be your graphics driver. Did you try using the closed source ATI/AMD driver?
19 • taking control of out of control overwiting libraries (by linuxdog on 2014-12-16 00:20:35 GMT from United States)
I read with interest about "snappy" as a AVlinux user that is what Glen did in his own way. He provided a linux that catered to audio and video. Therefore he locked down the essential programs and related libraries so AVlinux would not be messed up. I have to say he did a great job of it and concurr that if i wished linux to do too many other things I should find what works best in what interests me. I am not an Ubuntu fan, however I believe they are on to something very worthwhile as library overwrite conflicts is something everyone has had handle like it or not.
20 • Fedora 21 (by michael J King on 2014-12-16 10:13:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
So far very impressed with the Latest Fedora Workstation, It its very polished with tutorial video guides for Gnome Shell on first boot. Have been running Crunchbang and openbox since Gnome 3 came along (which was a shock after gnome 2 series but this now seems a very usable and viable option again) Looking forward to the Distrowatch review of Fedora 21
21 • gnome-shell (by linuxista on 2014-12-16 18:13:48 GMT from United States)
@11 I've used gnome-shell on Arch since 3.0, and I've never had any problem with crashes or bugs in any of the releases (except a memory leak on boot with 3.12) up to and including 3.14. I don't know what distros you're using or what hardware, but if that sort of crash making it impossible to boot into the primary desktop environment were widespread, it would be pretty hard to believe.
22 • @21 • gnome-shell (by mandog on 2014-12-16 18:40:05 GMT from Peru)
I can also verify your comments, and also add Gnome does not work very well in Virtual box
23 • Parsix (by Hoos on 2014-12-17 04:25:23 GMT from Singapore)
Parsix ran brilliantly on my old hardware when it used to be based on Debian Testing and used Gnome 2.
Unfortunately it now uses Gnome 3, which my hardware cannot run. I wonder if they will ever release an official MATE spin for users with older hardware. Maybe when Jessie becomes stable?
24 • GNOME shell (by brad on 2014-12-17 12:20:23 GMT from United States)
@21 - thanks! I just wanted to be sure it was my hardware, and not a problem with Shell itself. Jesse's original comment got me wondering, since I had experienced similar problems with GNOME Shell recently. I was comparing GNOME Shell against my favorite DE's, Cinnamon and XFCE, and my recent experiences found GNOME shell lacking stability.
25 • Mint vs Fedora (by Jordan on 2014-12-17 14:49:57 GMT from United States)
Two HDs here in my HP Pavilion M7, one with Mint 17.1 (Cinnamon) and Fedora 21 on the other HD.
Only a few days with Fedora, but I like it ok. It's just that Mint is what I'm used to so Fedora has to capture my imagination so to speak. Fine job by the big heavyweights over at Fedora, for sure.
26 • @17, Book title (by Ricardo on 2014-12-18 03:07:21 GMT from Argentina)
Did you mean @10?
That's exactly his point: since the book is not linux-kernel-centric it should be titled more broadly, so to speak.
27 • @23 Parsix Linux with MATE? (by Kazlu on 2014-12-18 11:16:55 GMT from France)
What you hope sounds very much like Point Linux (Debian Stable base, MATE desktop). You might want to give it a try, if you did not already.
28 • @23 What about Mint? (by Ben Myers on 2014-12-18 13:59:05 GMT from United States)
Mint with Mate is a lot less ponderous than either Cinnamon or Gnome 3, which is a departure from the rest with its look-and-feel. Runs nicely on pretty old laptops.
29 • @27, 28 What about Mint? (by Hoos on 2014-12-18 17:59:43 GMT from Singapore)
I do have Mint MATE installed on a partition and in fact I've been using it whole of today. It's an enjoyable distro with its polish, full-featuredness and its own set of tools/utilities, but it is definitely sluggish on my old desktop when compared to MATE on a Debian-based system. And this is after the tweak to decrease swap use. It was even laggier before that.
I have tried Watt OS r.8 (Wheezy) with MATE. Much faster. Just not very pretty. :-) Also tried Point Linux some time ago. I vaguely remember it worked fine but it just never stood out or attracted me.
Currently my hardware seems happier with XFCE running on other distros, and I'm also testing out Budgie-desktop on my Mint installation, which I've set up with the "traditional menu bar" panel applet to emulate the Gnome 2 panel layout.
30 • Fedora 21, systemd and some personal observations (by far2fish on 2014-12-18 18:13:17 GMT from Denmark)
My first experience with Linux many years ago was on Red Hat Linux and SuSE Linux. Once the Fedora project started up a little over 10 years ago, I have been a devoted user due to the leading edge - and solid - nature of Fedora. During the first 5-6 years I have been using Fedora on my servers at home, but now I don't run any private servers any longer. I have also been using Fedora as my alternate laptop OS with Xfce, KDE and Gnome3. For the past year Fedora 20 with KDE have been my only laptop OS. I have tried distrojumping (to Debian, Ubuntu, Mint), but I always gets back to Fedora.
I will not rant about pros and cons of systemd. You have all read the heated debate before. My own subjective opinion on this is not relevant either. Frankly I am still undecided. I just want to add one personal observation.
With a clean install of Fedora 20 with Gnome3, the boot time on my laptop was 18 seconds.
With a clean install of Fedora 21 with Gnome3, the boot time on my laptop was 7 seconds.
31 • @30 Fedora 21 and systemd. (by Kubelik on 2014-12-19 02:13:40 GMT from Denmark)
Well, these days Fedora is a very polished distro. Thanks to the QA done in Brno and by a lot of users. Not everything is perfect though: "Software" does not yet handle updates. So you have to do a "yum update" in the console.
Systemd has certainly helped shorten the boot time. But it is first of all about making a modern OS, more integrated, less work, less bugs.
Never mind the oldfashioned Unix fans. - GNU is not Unix:)
32 • @31 (by MiRa on 2014-12-19 21:46:22 GMT from Spain)
Just a questio: since when new, modern = better?
GNU/Linux ought to be about security on the first place. And modularity, which also is in some manner a part (and also a result) of the security.
With this kind of "modernity" and "integration" brought by systemd we will soon enough need Linux antivirus software. What will difference from Windows?
Why do you use Linux?
Personally I choose GNU/Linux for security. I'm using a systemd free distro - PCLinuxOS. If systemd will be generalized in Linux, Windows will be a better choice (after BSD, of course).
33 • @32 there is already antivirus software for linux (by Frederic Bezies on 2014-12-19 22:43:37 GMT from France)
It is called clamav => http://www.clamav.net/index.html
Besides your systemd "hate" (even if hate is a strong word), saying that a systemd based linux distribution is no different than windows is... strange to be gentle.
I don't care at all about systemd or any 1980/1990's based system init. I just want my computer to run and to be easy to manage.
I want to know : do you use LibreOffice or Calligra ? There are bloated tool. KDE or Gnome ? Bloated environment.
This system init war is a waste of time and ressources.
34 • init & security (by M.Z. on 2014-12-20 02:22:04 GMT from )
I think the bigger security risk in Linux & related projects is poorly maintained software made by tiny insular groups like the OpenSSL folks. The core problem with OpenSSL seems to have been that a tiny group of devs found that doing their own thing & making code more obscure/hard to read. This seems to have done because it meant more support contracts & money for the few who could wade through the code. From what I know about SystemD, there are developers from multiple Linux shops including Canonical, SUSE, and of course Red Hat. I'd guess that the group makes clean, readable, & well reviewed code that is probably among the most secure init systems currently available. I do agree that a few different init systems that are well maintained & widely used would likely be more secure than one similarly maintained init used across all distros; however, this is a somewhat debatable point. I also have some problems with how well choice is being maintained in Debian during their switch to SystemD; however, this hardly makes them a clone of Windows.
I chose Linux because of the freedom, security, & customization. I like both Mint & PCLinuxOS regardless of SystemD, & would recommend either. Some of the things I don't like in the world of Linux include reduced choice in a big & very open community project like Debian over SystemD, & of course I don't like overblown rhetoric regarding the 'threat' posed by SystemD. There are some problems with this new init system, but it is still open GPL code in the tradition of Linux software parts.
35 • @33 (by MiRa on 2014-12-20 02:38:08 GMT from Spain)
It is called clamav => http://www.clamav.net/index.html
Yes, and there is also an Avast for Linux. But, in fact, these are not for Linux but for scanning the partition(s) shared with Windows (like DATA), or an USB thumb. It is checking for Windows malware. A Windows malware is not affecting a Linux system but you can (re)transmit it to others who are using Windows.
I was speaking about Linux malware.
Besides your systemd "hate" (even if hate is a strong word), saying that a systemd based linux distribution is no different than windows is... strange to be gentle.
I don't care at all about systemd or any 1980/1990's based system init. I just want my computer to run and to be easy to manage.
Please belive me, it is not hate at all. The fact is someone came and said SysV init is no more good because it's too old and have to be replaced. And that's all, without any other real reason. OK,let's go to try another one, no problem... And it wouldn't be any problem so far if systemd would remain only a system init (although it can not be controled).
You say you want a computer easy to manage... with systemd taking over all your system it will be so "integrated" that you will be no more able to manage it as you like. Exactly like Windows.
I want to know : do you use LibreOffice or Calligra ? There are bloted tool.
To be honst, I don't find LibreOffice bloated at all. It is rather simplistic if I only compare it with Microsoft office 2003. I can not do with LO Writer what can I do with Word.
Never used Caligra so I can't comment about it.
KDE or Gnome ? Bloated environment.
I agree. Never liked Gnome, neither 2 nor 3. For its "integrated" approach. So I don't like MATE either. KDE is fine for its modularity although I also agree it's a bit bloated. Neither do I like all this Akonadi, Nepomuk, Baloo things. I have a KDE installation though I'm using for specific tasks.
So, just for your information, my main DE is Xfce. I like it's modularity. And I like LXDE and Enlightenment too.
36 • @34 running in circles ? :D (by Frederic Bezies on 2014-12-20 08:59:35 GMT from France)
"I was speaking about Linux malware."
So let's talk about dozens of useless ubuntu based distributions. This is the real malware in linux world.
"Please belive me, it is not hate at all. The fact is someone came and said SysV init is no more good because it's too old and have to be replaced. And that's all, without any other real reason. OK,let's go to try another one, no problem... And it wouldn't be any problem so far if systemd would remain only a system init (although it can not be controled). "
Really ? No configuration files ? No way to tweak it ? No way to choose services to be run ?
"You say you want a computer easy to manage... with systemd taking over all your system it will be so "integrated" that you will be no more able to manage it as you like. Exactly like Windows."
Been using linux distributions since 1997 on and off with windows, and since 2006 on windows-free computers. Back in 2006, there were no upstart nor any other new generation init system.
And it was hard sometimes to manage. Like for network connections.
"Will be so integrated ?" Well, if funtoo can make you run Gnome (or any other desktop environment) without systemd, it is not that integrated.
I made a video with Gnome and Funtoo in a virtualbox machine. Took me 4 days to build, but there is no systemd in it. And it works... Besides launching gdm automatically.
I built yesterday last libreoffice evolution and it took me nearly 7 hours on my 4 years old computer. Not bloated ? :D
Xfce ? Too bad it doesn't make any release for nearly 3 years now. I wonder if we will see next year Xfce 4.12.
LXQt and Mate are gagging it slowly.
37 • The reason GNU/Linux is used. (by davidnotcoulthard on 2014-12-20 10:08:29 GMT from Indonesia)
"GNU/Linux ought to be about security on the first place. And modularity, which also is in some manner a part (and also a result) of the security"
It's abotu the 4 software freedoms. Nothing less, not much more. It's also the only valid reason for which I use it.
"With this kind of "modernity" and "integration" brought by systemd we will soon enough need Linux antivirus software. What will difference from Windows?
Why do you use Linux?"
38 • UEFI Support (by Keith Joslyn on 2014-12-20 10:47:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
Saddened by the limited support for UEFI BIOS support amongst the Linux distro's (without amending the default BIOS settings). Zorin v9 and Mageia v5(beta) do support the UEFI default settings without issue (thus far). Happily using Zorin and love the interface, installation, 'out of the box' media support, and using the 'Premium' desktop 'look 'n' feel'
39 • @36 (by MiRa on 2014-12-20 14:52:55 GMT from Spain)
"So let's talk about dozens of useless ubuntu based distributions. This is the real malware in linux world."
Fully agree!!! ;D Android anjd Chrome OS too.
I would also add sudo.
40 • Linux Malware (by davidnotcoulthard on 2014-12-20 17:05:29 GMT from Indonesia)
The only malware Linux has got are firmware. Proprietary firmware.
And people thinking it's an operating system, of course!
41 • @34 (by MiRa on 2014-12-20 18:35:51 GMT from Spain)
"The core problem with OpenSSL seems to have been that a tiny group of devs found that doing their own thing & making code more obscure/hard to read. This seems to have done because it meant more support contracts & money for the few who could wade through the code."
Replace OpenSSL with SystemD and you'll be near the truth.
"From what I know about SystemD, there are developers from multiple Linux shops including Canonical, SUSE, and of course Red Hat. I'd guess that the group makes clean, readable, & well reviewed code that is probably among the most secure init systems currently available."
Secure?!... LOL!... The hope is one thing; the truth is another one.
And remember: SystemD isis not only an init system. If it would be so it would be more or less OK.
42 • @41 (by M.Z. on 2014-12-20 22:21:55 GMT from )
I base my conclusions on information from an interview I heard the other week with one of the lead devs. There are certainly some issues with SystemD & we would all likely be better off if there a few good choices in the init department; however, I don't think there is any factual basis for concluding that there are any significant security issues related to SystemD, at least not yet. The fact is there are over a dozen devs from at least three major Linux distros working on SystemD & the project seems like a fairly good citizen as joint community project. There are of course plenty of caveats to go around & things to not like about SystenD, but claiming that up is down just doesn't make it so.
Frankly I'm getting tired of the subject though. You still have a choice & if you want to you can support & use distros that don't use SystemD. I think it is put up or shut up time & if you don't like SystemD then support your preferred alternative distros & ignore SystemD. If you are correct then the non SystemD alternatives will out perform others in DistroWatch stats & gain market-share & mind-share within the Linux community. I really wish the anti-SystemD crowd would just get to a place where they were for something rather than against SystemD. Go help out Devuan or whoever instead of telling us another line about how bad SystemD is. I'd like to have the option in the future, even if the debate gets irksome.
43 • @41 and @42 : what about something else. (by FredBezies on 2014-12-21 09:48:43 GMT from France)
@41 : Ah, bashing Systemd by saying it is the same as systemd...
Never saw that one before.
So, a security oriented software is the same thing as an init system software ? Wow !
"Secure?!... LOL!... The hope is one thing; the truth is another one.
And remember: SystemD isis not only an init system. If it would be so it would be more or less OK."
It is known you CANNOT tweak systemd services to activate or deactivate some of them.
@42 "Frankly I'm getting tired of the subject though. You still have a choice & if you want to you can support & use distros that don't use SystemD. I think it is put up or shut up time & if you don't like SystemD then support your preferred alternative distros & ignore SystemD."
"I really wish the anti-SystemD crowd would just get to a place where they were for something rather than against SystemD. Go help out Devuan or whoever instead of telling us another line about how bad SystemD is. I'd like to have the option in the future, even if the debate gets irksome."
Well said. I think we will see that devuan is a dead distribution in two years from now.
I could be wrong, of course. But only time will tell. Remember Gone Me fork days ? :D
44 • Mystery solved (by Todd Smythe on 2014-12-21 15:34:40 GMT from United States)
A co-worker pronounces distrowatch "dee-strrrr-oh-watch" with the r rolled for a long time and the watch rhyming with match. Deeee strrrr oh watch.
I asked him why and he said, "Look at the names of the distros in there. I mean for God's sake there's a bodhi a steam and an archbang."
"Oh. Ok" I said.
45 • Just shut up already. (by Garon on 2014-12-21 19:04:31 GMT from United States)
All the systemd haters and so called unix experts, if there are any, might as well shut up. You've lost and you would do well to act like grown up and stop crying like babies and accept that fact. You are doing nothing now but making yourselves look like fools by supporting your old fashion, easy to break code. It's time to evolve children. lol
46 • @45 Evolving (by Rev_Don on 2014-12-21 19:11:37 GMT from United States)
I don't think people are against evolving. What they are against is evolving to something that might not be an improvement over what we have now. Change for change sake accomplishes nothing. Give them something that performs better, is more reliable, and is as easy (if not easier) to use and the vast majority of them will gladly accept and support it. Unfortunately there is no evidence that systemd can do any of those things, and definitely not the last.
And for the record, I'm not a systemd hater. I'm just not convinced it's better than what we already have.
47 • systemd hate (by cykodrone on 2014-12-21 21:45:26 GMT from Canada)
I don't hate it either, I do hate the way it's being bulldozed in to almost every distro. We hate losing option(s) and *freedom*. I left W*nd*ws because of svchost style system management, maybe just lump all systemd distros in to one and call it Open W*nd*ws (well, somewhat closed actually, if you take a really close look at systemd). On a personal level, I resent being called names ("crybaby") because of an opinion or choice (or lack of in this case), are we cry babies because we don't other agree with other types of monopolies or oppressive entities? It seems very few systemd shills consider a great many converts *to* Linux left W*nd*ws because of software creep, dictatorial style, secretive embedded processes, etc. Give your heads a shake please.
48 • @47 Ah, freedom... Manon Roland was right back in 1793. (by Frederic Bezies on 2014-12-21 22:08:25 GMT from France)
"I don't hate it either, I do hate the way it's being bulldozed in to almost every distro. We hate losing option(s) and *freedom*."
Which options are lost ? Is there *only* systemd based distributions nowadays ? :)
"I left W*nd*ws because of svchost style system management, maybe just lump all systemd distros in to one and call it Open W*nd*ws"
So, systemd developers are like MS ones ?
"On a personal level, I resent being called names ("crybaby") because of an opinion or choice (or lack of in this case), are we cry babies because we don't other agree with other types of monopolies or oppressive entities?"
Again, Black Sabbath sophomore album title applies again.
"It seems very few systemd shills consider a great many converts *to* Linux left W*nd*ws because of software creep, dictatorial style, secretive embedded processes, etc."
Converts ? Looks like there is less and less every day. Guess why... Dictatorship from some big names of free software ?
Like Manon Roland said before being beheaded : "O Liberty, what crimes are committed in thy name!"
In order to respect liberty and freedom of users, wars are going on. Guess who are winners here...
Give your heads a shake please.
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|• Issue 820 (2019-06-24): Clear Linux and Guix System 1.0.1, running Android applications using Anbox, Zorin partners with Star Labs, Red Hat explains networking bug, Ubuntu considers no longer updating 32-bit packages|
|• Issue 819 (2019-06-17): OS108 and Venom, renaming multiple files, checking live USB integrity, working with Fedora's Modularity, Ubuntu replacing Chromium package with snap|
|• Issue 818 (2019-06-10): openSUSE 15.1, improving boot times, FreeBSD's status report, DragonFly BSD reduces install media size|
|• Issue 817 (2019-06-03): Manjaro 18.0.4, Ubuntu Security Podcast, new Linux laptops from Dell and System76, Entroware Apollo|
|• Issue 816 (2019-05-27): Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.0, creating firewall rules, Antergos shuts down, Matthew Miller answers questions about Fedora|
|• Issue 815 (2019-05-20): Sabayon 19.03, Clear Linux's developer features, Red Hat explains MDS flaws, an overview of mobile distro options|
|• Issue 814 (2019-05-13): Fedora 30, distributions publish Firefox fixes, CentOS publishes roadmap to 8.0, Debian plans to use Wayland by default|
|• Issue 813 (2019-05-06): ROSA R11, MX seeks help with systemd-shim, FreeBSD tests unified package management, interview with Gael Duval|
|• Issue 812 (2019-04-29): Ubuntu MATE 19.04, setting up a SOCKS web proxy, Scientific Linux discontinued, Red Hat takes over Java LTS support|
|• Issue 811 (2019-04-22): Alpine 3.9.2, rsync examples, Ubuntu working on ZFS support, Debian elects new Project Leader, Obarun releases S6 tools|
|• Issue 810 (2019-04-15): SolydXK 201902, Bedrock Linux 0.7.2, Fedora phasing out Python 2, NetBSD gets virtual machine monitor|
|• Issue 809 (2019-04-08): PCLinuxOS 2019.02, installing Falkon and problems with portable packages, Mint offers daily build previews, Ubuntu speeds up Snap packages|
|• Issue 808 (2019-04-01): Solus 4.0, security benefits and drawbacks to using a live distro, Gentoo gets GNOME ports working without systemd, Redox OS update|
|• Issue 807 (2019-03-25): Pardus 17.5, finding out which user changed a file, new Budgie features, a tool for browsing FreeBSD's sysctl values|
|• Issue 806 (2019-03-18): Kubuntu vs KDE neon, Nitrux's znx, notes on Debian's election, SUSE becomes an independent entity|
|• Issue 805 (2019-03-11): EasyOS 1.0, managing background services, Devuan team debates machine ID file, Ubuntu Studio works to remain an Ubuntu Community Edition|
|• Issue 804 (2019-03-04): Condres OS 19.02, securely erasing hard drives, new UBports devices coming in 2019, Devuan to host first conference|
|• Issue 803 (2019-02-25): Septor 2019, preventing windows from stealing focus, NetBSD and Nitrux experiment with virtual machines, pfSense upgrading to FreeBSD 12 base|
|• Issue 802 (2019-02-18): Slontoo 18.07.1, NetBSD tests newer compiler, Fedora packaging Deepin desktop, changes in Ubuntu Studio|
|• Issue 801 (2019-02-11): Project Trident 18.12, the meaning of status symbols in top, FreeBSD Foundation lists ongoing projects, Plasma Mobile team answers questions|
|• Issue 800 (2019-02-04): FreeNAS 11.2, using Ubuntu Studio software as an add-on, Nitrux developing znx, matching operating systems to file systems|
|• Issue 799 (2019-01-28): KaOS 2018.12, Linux Basics For Hackers, Debian 10 enters freeze, Ubuntu publishes new version for IoT devices|
|• Issue 798 (2019-01-21): Sculpt OS 18.09, picking a location for swap space, Solus team plans ahead, Fedora trying to get a better user count|
|• Issue 797 (2019-01-14): Reborn OS 2018.11.28, TinyPaw-Linux 1.3, dealing with processes which make the desktop unresponsive, Debian testing Secure Boot support|
|• Issue 796 (2019-01-07): FreeBSD 12.0, Peppermint releases ISO update, picking the best distro of 2018, roundtable interview with Debian, Fedora and elementary developers|
|• Issue 795 (2018-12-24): Running a Pinebook, interview with Bedrock founder, Alpine being ported to RISC-V, Librem 5 dev-kits shipped|
|• Issue 794 (2018-12-17): Void 20181111, avoiding software bloat, improvements to HAMMER2, getting application overview in GNOME Shell|
|• Issue 793 (2018-12-10): openSUSE Tumbleweed, finding non-free packages, Debian migrates to usrmerge, Hyperbola gets FSF approval|
|• Issue 792 (2018-1203): GhostBSD 18.10, when to use swap space, DragonFly BSD's wireless support, Fedora planning to pause development schedule|
|• Issue 791 (2018-11-26): Haiku R1 Beta1, default passwords on live media, Slax and Kodachi update their media, dual booting DragonFly BSD on EFI|
|• Issue 790 (2018-11-19): NetBSD 8.0, Bash tips and short-cuts, Fedora's networking benchmarked with FreeBSD, Ubuntu 18.04 to get ten years of support|
|• Issue 789 (2018-11-12): Fedora 29 Workstation and Silverblue, Haiku recovering from server outage, Fedora turns 15, Debian publishes updated media|
|• Issue 788 (2018-11-05): Clu Linux Live 6.0, examining RAM consumpion, finding support for older CPUs, more Steam support for running Windows games on Linux, update from Solus team|
|• Issue 787 (2018-10-29): Lubuntu 18.10, limiting application access to specific users, Haiku hardware compatibility list, IBM purchasing Red Hat|
|• Issue 786 (2018-10-22): elementary OS 5.0, why init keeps running, DragonFly BSD enables virtual machine memory resizing, KDE neon plans to drop older base|
|• Issue 785 (2018-10-15): Reborn OS 2018.09, Nitrux 1.0.15, swapping hard drives between computers, feren OS tries KDE spin, power savings coming to Linux|
|• Issue 784 (2018-10-08): Hamara 2.1, improving manual pages, UBports gets VoIP app, Fedora testing power saving feature|
|• Issue 783 (2018-10-01): Quirky 8.6, setting up dual booting with Ubuntu and FreeBSD, Lubuntu switching to LXQt, Mint works on performance improvements|
|• Issue 782 (2018-09-24): Bodhi Linux 5.0.0, Elive 3.0.0, Solus publishes ISO refresh, UBports invites feedback, Linux Torvalds plans temporary vacation|
|• Issue 781 (2018-09-17): Linux Mint 3 "Debian Edition", file systems for SSDs, MX makes installing Flatpaks easier, Arch team answers questions, Mageia reaches EOL|
|• Issue 780 (2018-09-10): Netrunner 2018.08 Rolling, Fedora improves language support, how to customize Kali Linux, finding the right video drivers|
|• Issue 779 (2018-09-03): Redcore 1806, keeping ISO downloads safe from tampering, Lubuntu makes Calamares more flexible, Ubuntu improves GNOME performance|
|• Issue 778 (2018-08-27): GuixSD 0.15.0, ReactOS 0.4.9, Steam supports Windows games on Linux, Haiku plans for beta, merging disk partitions|
|• Issue 777 (2018-08-20): YunoHost 18.104.22.168, limiting process resource usage, converting file systems on Fedora, Debian turns 25, Lubuntu migrating to Wayland|
|• Issue 776 (2018-08-13): NomadBSD 1.1, Maximum storage limits on Linux, openSUSE extends life for 42.3, updates to the Librem 5 phone interface|
|• Issue 775 (2018-08-06): Secure-K OS 18.5, Linux is about choice, Korora tests community spin, elementary OS hires developer, ReactOS boots on Btrfs|
|• Issue 774 (2018-07-30): Ubuntu MATE & Ubuntu Budgie 18.04, upgrading software from source, Lubuntu shifts focus, NetBSD changes support policy|
|• Issue 773 (2018-07-23): Peppermint OS 9, types of security used by different projects, Mint reacts to bugs in core packages, Slackware turns 25|
|• Issue 772 (2018-07-16): Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre 0.2.4, UBports running desktop applications, OpenBSD auto-joins wi-fi networks, boot environments and zedenv|
|• Issue 771 (2018-07-09): Linux Lite 4.0, checking CPUs for bugs, configuring GRUB, Mint upgrade instructions, SUSE acquired by EQT|
|• Issue 770 (2018-07-02): Linux Mint 19, Solus polishes desktop experience, MintBox Mini 2, changes to Fedora's installer|
|• Issue 769 (2018-06-25): BunsenLabs Helium, counting Ubuntu users, UBports upgrading to 16.04, Fedora CoreOS, FreeBSD turns 25|
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