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1 • Modifying a text file inplace: (by dbrion on 2013-09-23 10:32:45 GMT from France)
"A common task we may wish to perform is to locate a word in a text file and replace all instances of that word with another word. As an example, imagine I have a document in which I've referred to a person as "Becky", but I've decided it would be better to use the more formal sounding "Rebecca". The following command would be useful for making this simple correction throughout the file"
sed --inplace does it very well (and is used to some configuration scripts)
2 • shred secure? (by DavidEF on 2013-09-23 12:28:45 GMT from United States)
How hard is it to recover a hard drive that has been wiped using the shred command? I know the secure erase utility supported by all ata drives, is considered to be very secure. How does shred compare to that? On a scale of one to 100, with one being you simply give a delete command to your OS through the file browser, and 100 being that you throw your hdd into an actual, mechanical, hard drive shredder, where would these other utilities (shred, secure erase) rank?
3 • Modifying a text file inplace (by greenpossum on 2013-09-23 12:52:52 GMT from Australia)
sed --in-place
4 • Re: Archbang (by silent on 2013-09-23 14:01:48 GMT from France)
Arch Linux is good, cutting-edge and rolling fast. On the other hand Larch, a live CD/DVD/USB-stick construction kit for Arch Linux, has been abandoned in 2011, because Arch has dropped aufs2 support. In 2012 initscripts has been obsoleted in favour of systemd and with that rc.conf (formerly a hallmark of the KISS philosophy) is no longer supported. In 2013 the filesystem has been modified on the fly and the "/bin", "/sbinˇ" and "/usr/sbin" folders have been removed. So a user friendly distribution based on Arch Linux is a bit like a house built on quicksand.
5 • @4 Re archbang (by mandog on 2013-09-23 14:41:24 GMT from Peru)
Time moves on Arch lives in the present not the past.
systemd is KISS its just new thats all, makes it simple to start stop services by simple commands . The system files scattered all over the place is not KISS. I find Arch so simple to use since the latest changes. I've used arch for 7 years without major problems but i'm only a young man at 64 thats why.
6 • Re: shred secure (by Andrew Yeomans on 2013-09-23 14:53:44 GMT from United Kingdom)
> How hard is it to recover a hard drive that has been wiped using the shred command?
It's basically impossible to recover any data blocks that shred has overwritten.
But note that this applies if you run shred on the whole disk. If you run on a file in a filesystem, data may still remain - see "man shred". Also, especially on flash memory devices, some physical blocks might not be overwritten, so might be readable if you do a hardware mod to bypass the memory controller and read the memory chips directly.
7 • shred vs. scrub (by David on 2013-09-23 15:01:02 GMT from United States)
There is also a scrub command which is basically supposed to do the same thing as shred. Do you know of any advantages/disadvantages of one tool vs. the other?
8 • perl global substitution (by David on 2013-09-23 15:01:58 GMT from United States)
Your Rebecca example is missing the 'g' to make it a global substitution, so it'll only replace the first occurrence. The correct command would be:
perl -pi -e 's/Becky/Rebecca/g' mydocument.txt
9 • @1 and @3 (by David on 2013-09-23 15:03:04 GMT from United States)
the sed --in-place or -i option is only supported on very new versions of sed, so it does not work on a lot of systems. Using perl for this is a lot more portable.
10 • @4 Re archbang (by joji on 2013-09-23 15:07:21 GMT from Belgium)
Allow me to disagree with your statement : "So a user friendly distribution based on Arch Linux is a bit like a house built on quicksand."
Have installed archbang on hard disk in December 2013. Updating / upgrading almost every week and without any problem. The only time I got into trouble was when the "/bin", "/sbinˇ" and "/usr/sbin" folders have been removed.
My experience disagrees also with the reviewer's statement :
"so users should be aware things will break from time to time and blindly upgrading packages is not recommended." You never should do things blindly. And if things break there is a reason. But they don't break from time to time.
And my conclusion is : there are many people to whom I would like to recommend ArchBang,
11 • 10 (by joji on 2013-09-23 15:10:18 GMT from Belgium)
Kindly read : "Have installed archbang on hard disk in December 2012"
My error.
12 • Q 9 : What does "very new " mean (by dbrion on 2013-09-23 15:23:59 GMT from France)
sed -i is documented in http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/html_node/Invoking-sed.html#Invoking-sed (2004 version)
A google search (with date *before* 2007) leads to interesting links...
Advantages of the "very new" version of sed w/.re perl is that sed is line oriented -eats very few memory- and is very classical (vim syntax): perl choosed the same syntax...
13 • Munchen and Lubuntu (by ange on 2013-09-23 15:26:03 GMT from Hungary)
In Munchen the original idea was distributing Lubuntu CDs, but it's a great marketing opportunity for the mother distribution. It's true that Lubuntu lighter, faster, almost as fast as XP, but Canonical and His Majesty Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life needs all acknowledgment in these troubled times. "Gimme tha cookies!"
14 • Shred and text replacement (by Jesse on 2013-09-23 16:08:23 GMT from Canada)
@2: The shred command's ability to erase the drive may vary depending on which command line flags you pass it. You can make any number of passes over the data and over-write with random data or zeros or both. Nothing is secure as physically shredding the drive, but the shred command should do well enough that anything sort of a focused professional recovery effort will fail. And that's what most people want, I think, just to avoid someone turning up their private data while doing a typically file recovery.
@8: "Your Rebecca example is missing the 'g' to make it a global substitution, so it'll only replace the first occurrence. "
You are mistaken. The perl command does not require the trailing "g" to perform global substitution. You can use the trailing "g" if you want, but it is not required.
15 • Munchen and Lubuntu (by bam on 2013-09-23 16:20:19 GMT from United States)
Lubuntu definitly would have been an excellent choice for distrubution,no learning curve for users.
16 • A topic for discussion? (by LinuxMan on 2013-09-23 16:20:31 GMT from United States)
@13,
Okay, I read where Lubuntu was first considered, but where did you get the rest of your information from? I couldn't find it anywhere in the article. Are we bitter? :)
17 • Update on perl (by Jesse on 2013-09-23 16:34:46 GMT from Canada)
As an appendix to my post in 14, I want to add that the reason the trailing "g" usually isn't required in text replacements is the perl interpreter handles one line at a time and passes it through the substitution filter. So each line is sort of treated as a block. So, assuming you only need to replace one instance per line you won't need the trailing "g" for global replacement. However, if you have multiple instances of a block of text to replace on each line, then that is where the trailing "g" becomes useful.
18 • Wayland and btrfs (by M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on 2013-09-23 18:54:39 GMT from United States)
1. I'm running Fedora 20 pre-alpha on one of my laptops and I tried the "GNOME on Wayland" option. It didn't come up and I had to drop back to plain 'ol X. But that brings up an interesting point. What's *better* about Wayland? Why would I want to use it?
2. btrfs. Same question - what's *better* about it? What are it's *advantages*? Where does it fall short? Why would I want to use it?
19 • Wayland (by bam on 2013-09-23 19:40:36 GMT from United States)
@18 from what I understand Wayland gives excellent graphics rendering.
Eventually all major distributions will be using Wayland.
20 • User Friendly Arch... (by brad on 2013-09-23 19:45:11 GMT from United States)
I used Arch since I learned /read how to install it by printing out their 84 page "beginners manual" in 2008. When the got rid of the installer.. in favor of lots a scripts.. I couldn't install it for the life of me, using a wireless only connection. I tried asking for help, but the egos/rudeness/and outright RTFM comments were too much... no matter how much I read the wiki, or what I asked, or how streamlined my question was.. their forums were NO HELP. So I moved on, went with bridgelinux (nice but had issues) , went with Manjaro(arch w/leading edge, not bleeding edge).. then I found cinnarch now antergos.. which uses actual ARCH repos.. which means it IS ARCH but with an installer that finds my wireless. So there are user friendly arch based distros out there.. for those not willing to put up with the forums. And those distros DO WORK! And their forums are not only more friendly, but also respect new users and/or those people whose questions are not exactly answered by searching for forums or reading the wiki.. With all the above being said (or typed), arch is an awesome distro regardless of the attitudes of the userbase.. .
21 • User Friendly Arch (by sasdthoh on 2013-09-23 20:11:33 GMT from United States)
As a user that spent a great deal of time using the earlier versions of Arch, I understand completely how an individual feels when made to feel inferior, simply because you have yet to obtain a certain level of knowledge. I simply used the Arch wiki and tried multiple times until I learned. It worked for me but I had to practice a lot of patience. I can tell you from experience that the Archbang and Manjaro user base are wonderful people and will extend you every courtesy. And, all you have to do is use Manjaro to do a net install. It practically takes care of every hardware and pre-configuration issue. All you have to do is to install your desktop environment, your favorite software, then away you go with a super fast clean custom install. If you have decent Internet bandwidth, you can be up and running in 30 minutes to an hour with a great working desktop. I realize there are configuration procedures with each installation but it's not from any problems during the base install. Try Manjaro's net install. It's worth it!
22 • One More Thought (by sasdthoh on 2013-09-23 20:15:15 GMT from United States)
Sorry everyone. I wanted to say one more thing. When you eliminate all the grief with the initial setup of Arch, you are left with something all users are looking for with Linux,
And that's Lot's 'O' FUN!
23 • 20 • User Friendly Arch (by mandog on 2013-09-23 20:20:11 GMT from Peru)
I must agree on you last statement yes it is awesome.
I beg to differ on some parts, the forums are full of well answered and polite posts, check how many posts are received on a daily basis. if it was that bad the forums would be dead.
Wireless is on the install CD its not installed by default as a lot of people don't need it so to them its bloat-ware, a simple pacman -S command and its installed never used it as I don't use arch on a laptop.
Yes Antergos is a mimic of arch but the forums were next to useless when I used them a year ago. Bridge Linux, and Manjaro, have install problems with grub for a lot of people. and arch install to openbox in 20 mins using the scripts.
Manjaro is no more stable than Arch it just a hold your hand distro I have it on 2 laptops Arch on my main desktop.
Archbang is not true arch as it has a small repro but its the next best thing to arch.
24 • About "simplified" arch-derivative (by AleCon on 2013-09-23 21:09:50 GMT from Italy)
In my opinion the distinctive traits of Arch are:
- the thoroughness of the documentation
- the strong user empowerment (admittedly with some side effect in term of easy of use!)
A combination of these two make Arch an excellent educative distro for the ones willing to learn
I believe that most of the arch based distro partially defeat this purpose
not willing to start a flame war ...to each his own
25 • http://themaxtruth.blogspot.com (by bam on 2013-09-23 21:20:30 GMT from United States)
Arch Linux offers many Ayatana components, including Unity and Unity 2D, via an unofficial repository or through the AUR[
26 • Arch knows a winner when it see's one (by bam on 2013-09-23 21:50:42 GMT from United States)
@25
Arch Linux offers many Ayatana components, including Unity and Unity 2D, via an unofficial repository or through the AUR
27 • @20 (by jaws222 on 2013-09-23 21:53:10 GMT from United States)
I hear you with the egos/rudeness/and outright RTFM comments. As far as Manjaro vs Antergos which do you prefer? I'm currently running Manjaro 0.86 and love it. It is so fast on my SSD.
28 • Needlessly Arch (by Fossilizing Dinosaur on 2013-09-23 22:12:36 GMT from United States)
Lacking social skills, I defended my fragile pride with deliberate obfuscation, in younger days.
I was not welcome in orientation rooms or elementary classes, back then.
As I matured (or had sense beaten in) my rough edges were worn down and blunted - slightly.
Keep it Short and Simple. Short is often undervalued; nobody who asks questions is stupid.
29 • perl command (by Pearson on 2013-09-23 22:32:58 GMT from United States)
To put in layman's terms what Jesse said last, if you have the following file:
"Becky,
Two Beckys would be cool, you should meet my other friend Becky"
the command perl -pi -e 's/Becky/Rebecca/' mydocument.txt
would yield:
"Rebecca,
Two Rebeccas would be cool, you should meet my other friend Becky"
however, the command perl -pi -e 's/Becky/Rebecca/g' mydocument.txt
would yield:
"Rebecca,
Two Rebeccas would be cool, you should meet my other friend Rebecca"
30 • Re: #20 Communication in Linux distribution forums (by silent on 2013-09-24 01:30:56 GMT from Hungary)
I think it is important for every Linux distribution to have communication guidelines for their forums and the developers should be trained, because nobody is born with perfect communication skills. Developers should understand that it is their personal interest as well. Imagine the situation when you apply for a job and you proudly mention in your CV that you are a contributor of a Linux flavour, and you don't get the job just because of that, as one of the stakeholders in the selection process checks the forums and finds that you used offensive, arrogant or inappropriate language.
31 • @18 (by Adam Williamson on 2013-09-24 03:33:01 GMT from Canada)
Wayland isn't necessarily focused on providing you, the end user, with huge obvious improvements in the short term. it's really more about improving the framework for development in the future. there are some fairly minor wins you might notice, various elements of ui rendering ought to be smoother.
btrfs is a whole different kettle of fish. it provides a bunch of stuff that traditional file systems don't; just off the tip of my head, you get mirroring/striping and volume management right in the fs, and that's just for starters. but it can be a bit of work to get your head around it, not all the user space tooling quite groks it yet, in some cases it's still slower than ext4, and it does seem to be the case that data loss issues are still cropping up occasionally. your call... but I'm still installing my boxes with ext 4 for now.
32 • Archbang (by Chanath on 2013-09-24 04:16:29 GMT from Sri Lanka)
Jesse's right. Archbang is blazing fast. Idling ram usage was just 59.4 MB in my old Acer Aspire One 8", and the working ram with Firefox on and with some pages, is 243 MB. I've been trying few light distros, and Archbang comes on the top. It is also nice to the eye than the other bang, Crunchbang.
The snappiness of Archbang is probablt because of its Arch base, while all the distros with the Debian base is slower.
33 • @27 (by brad on 2013-09-24 05:42:57 GMT from United States)
I prefer Antergos for now.. its the same as arch, but has a repo for artwork and some antergos specific things.. but uname -a comes up as the latest arch kernel version and its just as up2date as Arch proper..
But if this ever breaks or Manjaro comes out with something ground breaking.. I'll switch back..
but on another note no matter what you choose.. antergos/archbang/bridgelinux/manjaro.. w/o arch itself, they are nothing.. have you ever tried Chakra? (used to be a fork of arch, but now they are doing their own thing.. check it out on here)
I read a review by an arch founder/dev that in no uncertain terms belittles/trashes/considered arch based forks irrelevant compared to arch itself.. i mean with linux being open source.. why bother complaining.. I"m sure debian doesnt openly complain about ubuntu, and ubuntu doesnt openly complain about Mint, Slackware doesn't complain about its forks, gentoo doesn't go ballistic over Sabayon..
i think I'm right.. but my linux using hierarchy goes like this..
1. arch/arch based
2. linux mint
3. pclinuxos
4.Sabayon
5. slackware/slackware based.
I recommend Mint/pclinux to linux newbies.. I recommend arch/manjaro/archbang/slackware to those who want "MORE" than their computer to "just work"
34 • Pardus (by cm7 on 2013-09-24 05:45:54 GMT from Austria)
What is Pardus? Someone takes a distro, install a few programs (which he believes most users would also install them) and burn an iso. Where is the own contribution? Maybe the desktop background? Is that enough? Anyone could do the same thing, but fortunately most people have better thing to do. I have enough of "distros" like this and I ask myself, why do I still visit distrowatch and read the contributions.
35 • Quick-n-easy command-line tips (by Sanjay Prasad on 2013-09-24 05:53:03 GMT from India)
Thanks a sharing,
find Documents -mtime -30 -exec cp "{}" Backup \;
command is really helpful for me ......
I request you publish some cpanel (centOS) cron jobs command if possible
36 • Does shred see the whole drive? (by DavidEF on 2013-09-24 09:58:20 GMT from United States)
Another thing about secure erase utility is that it is built in at the hardware level, so it securely wipes every area of the drive, including bad sectors that have been remapped by the hdd. Does shred reach into all the crevices? Sorry to question so much.
37 • Happy Birthday (by kc1di on 2013-09-24 11:25:26 GMT from United States)
Happy Birthday to The Fedora Project that turn 10 years old yesterday Sept 23rd.
:)
38 • Pardus (by Angel on 2013-09-24 12:20:38 GMT from Philippines)
@34,
Pardus has been around since 2005. That's one year after Ubuntu and one year before Linux Mint. Started by the Turkish National Research Institute of Electronics and Cryptology, it's not a venerable grandfather, but certainly no Johnny-come-lately.
Angel
39 • divadgnol67@gmail.com (by divadgnol on 2013-09-24 12:51:00 GMT from United States)
As a linux user for more than 13 years. I truly enjoy the simplicity that Ubuntu offers. I started out using using Red Hat 7 then Slackware, and then graduated to less friendly distro's like Gentoo, Crux and OpenBSD ( less friendly is subjective).
All of them have their place in the ecosystem. At 45 years of age, married with two kids and a full time job, I want something that just works. And with "my hardware" Ubuntu works.
As a computer user for more than two decades, I understand as my needs change so may my distro of choice.
40 • @33 (by jaws222 on 2013-09-24 14:10:51 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the update. I'll have to check out Antergos. As far as Chakra, I tried it about 2 years ago maybe but had issues installing it. Now that I hav a bit more Linux experience I may revisit it. I noticed a new version came out recently.
As far as people trashing "forked" distros I don't get that either. Open Source, right? I do know there used to be a sayig, "Ubuntu is an ancient african word, meaning 'I can't configure Debian." However, this was true in my case as a noob. Like you say, Mint is a good starter for newbies. I started on Ubuntu 10.04, then went to MInt, next Debian and am now exploring Arch.
41 • Manjaro & Chakra (by Gustavo on 2013-09-25 01:38:06 GMT from Brazil)
I don't know why but both Manjaro and Chakra won't boot on my machine (ApireOne 722 C-50 CPU). Just after grub loads the kernel it reboots. No message, just reboot. Arch installs just fine.
42 • arch (by justanoob on 2013-09-25 10:00:49 GMT from Indonesia)
i'm forever noob, so why bother using Arch. keep it simple and stupid principles, rtfm and utfg for your community. chakra, manjaro even archbang runs fine on my machine.
and i thought fun is on linux from scratch not arch.
43 • Arrogant? (by LinuxMan on 2013-09-25 13:13:29 GMT from United States)
"As always in Arch, if you do not contribute, we do not care about you."
I try to see the point of view from both sides. There has been a lot of flack from ex-users and present users of Arch about the treatment in their forums from the developers. It didn't take but a minute to find an indication of the Arch mineset. The comment above was written by one of the developers explaining a new data collection package they are wanting users to install on their systems. Some didn't want to.
I have tried Arch and in my opinion the benefits of using Arch did not outweigh having to exist in their land of Valhalla. For the most part the developers are polite but very arrogant and if need be can be very rude. To their credit they do tell you that Arch is not for beginners but for the experienced. They don't really care what others outside of their circle thinks about their policies, the way they do things. They can run their organization however they see fit and their is nothing wrong with that. That is part of the freedoms of using open source software. At the same time it does not give them the right to belittle or criticise forks of Arch and associate projects. After all that is the way that open source works. I'm not really speaking of opinions for everyone has a right to those.
Antergos, Archbang, Manjaro, and others have a place in our ecosystem. It's a great way for the less experienced to use a somewhat Arch like distro. Using forks may even allow someone to migrate over to Arch the same way that some have migrated from Ubuntu to Debian. One of the greatest strengths of open source is how it evolves. Forks and derivatives are part of the national evolution process and that makes it that much more exciting.
44 • UTFG (by Fossilizing Dinosaur on 2013-09-25 13:19:37 GMT from United States)
"Go Fish" through disorganized contradictory confusion, because organizing a versioned hyperlinked Full Manual is too much work while having fun writing code, though the quality of code written thus shines clearer, since perspective is engaged. Neither Short nor Simple, but certainly Stupid.
45 • @43 : Just curious, but is an elitic policy that bad? (by dbrion on 2013-09-25 14:52:59 GMT from France)
Suppose you are asked a question and :
a) you know it is the 30(0)*rd time you answer this question
b) you know a good answer is given in wikipedia (this might be the man who asks best friend) or in a manual (but it should have been read...).
If you answer kindly, other people will help you loose **your** time....
I do not know arch -never had to beg for information with Fedora (which is not meant to work, but often does for me) or arm-cros-compilation chains. This situation happens very often in 8 bits microcontrollers support -95% of the questions would have been answered with reading a 300 pages manual, the remaining 4% with wikipedia- and having always the same questions might be annoying -and what would people do, ifthey are no longer supported? cry? read manuals? read wikipedia?)
46 • UTFG (by LinuxMan on 2013-09-25 15:36:56 GMT from United States)
Well a person can learn something new every day. I went and Googled to see what UTFG meant. :) Also I agree with others that a good manual is worth its weight in gold.
47 • Manjaro support (by Bill on 2013-09-25 19:32:21 GMT from United States)
I have never been that interested in a lot of compiling to get my OS to work. I gave all that up when I quit writing code for a living back when we used C++ for programming. But I did try Manjaro and I had a few questions about using AUR to get the programs I wanted. What I can say for certain is that Phillip over ay Manjaro was one of the nicest, kindest most helpful human beings I have met and that worked with me to get some stuff up and running. I would recommend anyone who may want to try Manjaro to do so without hesitation. Well done guys!!
48 • Fedora 20 (by PFB on 2013-09-25 20:03:27 GMT from United States)
Fedora 20 has shown me that Linux is passing my computer by. I had troubles with an update to F19. Kernel 3.11.1 would not recognize my Ethernet adapters. Both the Marvell and D-Link cards are recognized but not functional. When I got the Alpha for F20, I found the same thing. It works just fine when I plug in an old TP-Link wireless adapter. Maybe Fedora is declaring Ethernet to be obsolete?
Or maybe the newest kernel needs help. It also takes forever to power down my AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+, with 1G ram.
49 • @48 (by jaws222 on 2013-09-25 21:58:52 GMT from United States)
Yeah, the 3.11.1 is the newest kernel. That's Fedora for your though always using the latest and greatest, not the most stable. F16 was the last Fedora I used religiously. I wasn't that impressed with 17 or 18 and doubt I'll check out 19.
50 • Archbang: suitable for power users (by Didje on 2013-09-25 22:03:20 GMT from France)
I have very little experience with Archbang but have been using Arch Linux for over 8 years. I do not understand the comment of the reviewer that "there aren't many people to whom he would recommend ArchBang", while the only negative point raised is that "things will break from time to time".
I think this belief stems from the warnings issued by the developers. In my experience Arch Linux is on the contrary very stable. I remember having met problems with an upgrade only once in 8 years, after the migration to KMS. It is clear from the forums of mainstream distributions that any system is likely to break down in the hands of beginners or awkward users.
I agree with #24 regarding the distinctive features of Arch Linux, but I believe that a distribution such as ArchBang might appeal to power users. I do not mean geeks nor system administrators, but end users such as engineers, computational/modeling scientists... who use a wide range of specialized programs. Without spending to much time to set up their system, ArchBang should allow them to take advantage of another asset of Arch Linux, namely the availability of many such programs in the AUR and the ease to create and maintain new packages.
51 • @48 (by Adam Williamson on 2013-09-25 22:55:09 GMT from Canada)
I'd file bugs with the upstream kernel. Fedora's kernel is not very heavily modified from upstream and your issues are likely just down to bugs in upstream kernel 3.11.
52 • UTFG, RTFM, OMG! (by divadgnol on 2013-09-26 02:45:49 GMT from United States)
Maybe I'm old school or just plain old. But I enjoy reading the manual or finding the answer myself. In a world of instant satisfaction many people want the answers right away, understandably so.
I am not an Arch Linux user myself but just spent the last 20 minuets on their site and this is what I found
"Newbie Corner
Beginners' subforum for general Arch issues. Please consult the excellent Arch wiki and web before posting. Also try the forum search function at the upper left."
The above quote was taken directly from their site. I then decided to look into their forums and I found two instances under "Newbie Corner" where the answer was found in the wiki. I can appreciate the fact that it's "Newbie Corner" but some effort on the part of the reader can be reasonably expected.
I am in no way advocating arrogance or even down right rudeness. But considerable time and effort goes into each and every wiki written.
53 • 52 • UTFG, RTFM, OMG (by mandog on 2013-09-26 11:43:49 GMT from Peru)
Well written comments. It must be a full time 2nd occupation writing and updating the arch wiki because of the rate Arch evolves they are constantly playing catchup. I personally have never had a problem with the forums but then I always check things 1st.
To defend their position on arch spins It clearly states the forums are only for arch,
I do do not see this as a problem, Manjaro, Archbang, Antergos, all have there own small repositories, so they are not pure arch. The nearest is archbang and the devs acknowledge this. archbang 56mb ram arch openbox the same, Manjaro 156 mb ram thats almost 3 times as much Manjaro patches the kernel the Gpu drivers. uses its own config files, for the base, uses out of date repositories. How could arch forums help a Manjaro user if they give the wrong advice then they will be trashed on the net better to stick with forum rules.
Saying that I use manjaro on 2 laptops and they work fine for the children and wife and pure arch on my desktop, is Manjaro any more stable in a word NO.
54 • @51 Bugs (by pfb on 2013-09-26 12:54:30 GMT from United States)
I just checked with the kernel bug page. It seems they have similar problem with the 686 kernel. If they fix that, I would think my problem will go away.
As for the shutdown problem, could it be related? I know an old version (do not recall which) of Fedora would refuse to boot up if there was no Internet connection. Maybe Fedora now "phones home" on shutdown?
55 • SalineOS is it dead ? (by Jeff on 2013-09-26 22:13:12 GMT from United States)
There has not been a new release since August of 2012, and that was an early development release.
Debian Wheezy has been the current stable for some time now, but the stable release of SalineOS is still based on Squeeze (old stable)
56 • @55 (by jaws222 on 2013-09-26 22:23:08 GMT from United States)
It's funny you mention SalineOS because I finally got aroung to downloading the development release a couple days ago (SalineOS 2.0Dev) and it's pretty nice. It is based on Wheezy. According to one of the lead moderators over there on the forum it is not dead, but apparently the main guy there, Anthony Nordquist is extremely busy and involved with some other things. I hope it doesn't die because it is a good OS. I'm still running 1.6 on my laptop. Never had an issue.
57 • PartEd Magic, ATA Secure Erase (by Fossilizing Dinosaur on 2013-09-27 23:53:58 GMT from United States)
Would it be fair to note the 26SEP update for this handy toolset distro?
It has several new GUIs, updates (including GpartEd), and utilities.
Of course, a modest download fee now prevents wasteful mooching, but the still-freely-available 01AUG vintage still serves (me) for try-before-you-buy.
Don't only the low-level hardware ATA option of Secure Erase assure there's no residual data?
Doesn't that also (sadly) erase any S.M.A.R.T. diagnostic data?
Of course, this would only apply to "pure" hard drives, not SSD-hard-drive hybrids ...
58 • Parted Magic (by Terence on 2013-09-28 02:09:10 GMT from Paraguay)
I am a bit saddened at now having to pay for updated editions of PM. I am an active user and keep a copy perpetually updated on a thumb drive. However, I do not have access to a debit card and thus cannot pay for the newest edition.
59 • @42,32: Arch forums and emailing lists user-hostility (by Thomas Mueller on 2013-09-28 05:06:43 GMT from United States)
I had been looking toward Arch Linux, joined the emailing lists, and asked if it was possible to compile the system from source as can be done with FreeBSD and NetBSD. Moderator rejected my question, saying I could find the answer in the wiki in less than one minute (I still haven't). When I queried, and then asked if all Arch emailing lists were moderated, I got just evasion, no answer, and unsubscribed a few days later.
"As always in Arch, if you do not contribute, we do not care about you."
How can I contribute if I'm so tongue-tied?
60 • Private Club (by shootme on 2013-09-28 08:55:37 GMT from United States)
Arch
Keep It Simple Stupid
Ubuntu
Linux for human being
Too stupid to join Arch club and not human enough to use ubuntu. So I'm going to wear my canvas shoe, my jeans and t-shirt, and walk out from those private club.
61 • @59 Compiling OS from source (by Miro on 2013-09-28 10:44:26 GMT from Belgium)
If you really want to compile your system from source, I guess you would be better off with a system which has been specifically designed to do so. I would suggest Gentoo and Funtoo which use the BSD-like Portage tree system.
Other options are LFS and the like, but I am unsure about how functional they actually are for the "average user", for whatever that may mean.
62 • arch is not for you (by firippu on 2013-09-28 11:00:23 GMT from Philippines)
@59
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System
you didn't look very hard did you.
Answers to basic questions should be found via arch's wiki not the forums,
if you don't like it "then arch is probably not for you".
Agreed though gentoo is what you want.
63 • @59 Compiling OS from source (and II) (by Miro on 2013-09-28 12:42:24 GMT from Belgium)
This is most likely what you want:
http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Source-based
I find this particularly interesting:
http://www.calculate-linux.org/main/en/cls
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