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1 • LXDE/QT (by Jamie LaRue on 2013-08-05 13:07:00 GMT from United States) |
First on the comments!
I've noticed a tendency in myself lately to be looking for simpler, cleaner, faster software lately. So the LXDE/Qt-Razor merge seems like a positive trend,moving past the churn of change to a new stability.
2 • LXDE/Razor (by Erik Jonsson on 2013-08-05 13:58:46 GMT from Switzerland)
Good news! Congratulations!
3 • Kubuntu (by Sam on 2013-08-05 14:05:03 GMT from United States)
I understand from the Ubuntu people that a major idea behind switching to mir is scalability in Unity across devices - phone, tablet, laptop/desktop. Is there any point where one *buntu derivative running Wayland, another running Xorg, and another running Mir would make those distros as incompatible as say, Windows 8 Metro and Windows Xp apps?
4 • Porteus 2.0 (by Cliff on 2013-08-05 14:23:51 GMT from United States)
Porteus is a great little distro that deserves more kudos than it gets. Thank you for another awesome review. Objective and insightful as always.
5 • @3 Good question Seems like it would, huh? (by DavidEF on 2013-08-05 14:35:01 GMT from United States)
I've shook my head over Microsoft's branding of all their various operating systems as being Windows, when they are clearly not the same. I wouldn't say Windows 8 Metro, versus Windows XP, because there are more than a dozen years between those products. Incompatibility should be expected in that time frame. I'm thinking of products that were released either at the same time, or within a year or two, and are incompatible. They've done that more than once, and I always wondered why. That is really the kind of situation you're talking about with the Mir-Wayland-Xorg question. Will there be a solution?
It's also kinda like the OSS vs ALSA deal we had for a few years. Some hardware just works better with OSS and some doesn't work at all with OSS, and has to be used with ALSA. I guess you could say it's over now, and ALSA is the winner, but that may not be a good thing, and certainly isn't for some hardware.
We may see the dust settle out of this in the same way, with a clear winner that makes a lot of us losers. I'm hoping that isn't the case, but it often is with situations like this, where playing well with others can be more important than finding the best solution.
6 • Re: #1 and #2, LXDE/QT (by Leo on 2013-08-05 14:47:00 GMT from United States)
I think the merger is great news, I alwas install both LXDE and Razor-QT beside KDE, and sometimes use one or the other in older hardware. I love software build on Qt, so all these news are great.
On top of that, it seems like the joint project will be part of the KDE family (without using KDELIBS). I am hoping that, as a result, KDE will be made the way it should have always been: leaner and modular. Thinks like Akonadi and Nepomuk, that made me stay out of KDE in some of my hardware, should be optional, not mandatory.
7 • swappiness (by Geo on 2013-08-05 15:12:12 GMT from Canada)
What happens to swappiness settings, if there is no swap partition?
8 • Kubuntu (by Bob on 2013-08-05 15:42:17 GMT from United States)
Kudos to the Kubuntu team for sticking to their guns.
9 • RE:@5, A solution? To what? (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-05 16:04:27 GMT from United States)
There is no battle between Mir, Wayland, or X. You need to realize what Mir is and why Canonical is developing it. Sam is correct in explaining why Mir is needed by Canonical. I don't believe that Kubuntu or any other distros have the roadmap for consumer devices that Canonical has using Ubuntu and Unity. I expect that in the next couple of years most distros will be using Wayland instead of X. I don't expect any to be using Mir unless needed. What devices will Mir not be compatible with? I don't know but if Mir is not compatible the system will fall back to using X in Ubuntu 13.10. We'll just have to wait and see what hardware Mir will run on. Sam was not comparing Windows 8 and Windows XP operating systems but the applications they run. That was the problem with backwards compatibility with several Windows applications. They were not backward compatible. Application vendors loved that. There are no battles with these graphics stacks. Canonical is doing what it needs to for its business future. If there will be a battle it will be between X and Wayland. It could be like ALSA vs. OSS. That was easy for me to deal with as it was for most people and I see the same for X and Wayland.
10 • RE:Correction (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-05 18:22:35 GMT from United States)
Sorry DavidEF, I read your comment wrong. You were also talking about the Window apps not being compatible. You are correct of course, there has been a large amount of time between XP and 8.
11 • YALK - YetAnotherLinuxKnockoff - this time, RoboLinux (by Somewhat Reticent on 2013-08-05 18:54:24 GMT from United States)
"Robolinux makes Windows 7 & XP 100% immune to all Viruses & Malware!" - using "One Click" "VM installers"
Click here to download the Robolinux Installer for only $4.99
*Offer expires August 7th, 2013.
"30-day money-back guarantee" - hm, that's new. Is it legit?
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Following in the steps of Rebellin Linux - another instant distro? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Time will tell.
12 • @4 (by jaws222 on 2013-08-05 19:03:01 GMT from United States)
I tried it about a year and half ago and liked it but did have some issues. It says Porteus is not intended to be installed on a hard drive (sort of like Knoppix I guess) but I did install it to a hard drive back then. Did they just change that recently? That would explain why I had some issues.
13 • Porteus (by subg on 2013-08-05 19:18:31 GMT from Canada)
Thanks for the Porteus review, Jesse; it gave a good feel for its features and functionality and was thankfully devoid of the hardware compatibility drama that seems to be hindering your review attempts. Porteus compares favourably with the Puppy ecosystem and better than Slackware derivatives such as Salix, or even Parted Magic, for its intended purpose.
It reminds one of Nimblex from a number of years ago, but slicker and with more features and apparently much better supported. And unlike many other live projects, it doesn't seem obsessed with being lightweight at the expense of convenience.
I use it on a usb stick for occasional use, and its modular structure makes it easy to make persistent security and Firefox updates to keep it current.
Desktop selections are good. I don't normally use KDE elsewhere (still rolling with paldo and Gnome3!) but it seems quite light and fast on Porteus.
@12 - You need to try Porteus 2.0 - significant feture updates and excels when used live with persistence on a usb stick.
14 • Robolinux (by jaws222 on 2013-08-05 19:18:35 GMT from United States)
Sounds too good to be true? Anyone try it or hear anything good?
15 • Porteus review (by fanthom on 2013-08-05 19:57:36 GMT from Ireland)
Thanks Jessie for a nice Porteus review. Actually wish you could hold on a week or two as tomorrow will be shipping Porteus-2.1 with a set of new features:
- web wizard which let's you build your own, personalized porteus from the ground: http://build.porteus.org/
- five officially supported desktops (RazorQt, MATE, KDE4, LXDE, XFCE) for 32/64 bit architectures
- NFS used for PXE boot which allows to save changes over network
and many other smaller features/improvements.
Maybe there will be another opportunity to have a look on our work in the future :)
Thanks once again!
16 • facepalm (by fanthom on 2013-08-05 20:07:36 GMT from Ireland)
apologize for that :)
17 • Robolinux (by Yan on 2013-08-05 20:09:45 GMT from Canada)
There's information at http://sourceforge.net/projects/robolinux/files/ . It seems that it merely installs a virtual machine and runs Windows in it.
18 • Robolinux (by Snowdust on 2013-08-05 20:41:03 GMT from Canada)
Quite skeptical myself. Performed a Google search and came up with this link http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1b7d2t/remember_this_guy_john_robert_martinson_show_him/
19 • @18 Snowdust (by Robert on 2013-08-05 22:36:21 GMT from United States)
Thanks for those links. I was checking out Robolinux online the other day, and while watching the video, the one thing I kept thinking about is that it wasn't doing anything really special. Any of us can run Widows in a VB or VM on our favorite Linux distro.
No reason to jump ship when the boat I'm on is cruising along just fine.
20 • @ #6 (by Pierre on 2013-08-05 23:15:30 GMT from Germany)
Quote: "I am hoping that, as a result, KDE will be made the way it should have always been: leaner and modular. Thinks like Akonadi and Nepomuk, that made me stay out of KDE in some of my hardware, should be optional, not mandatory."
As I already mentioned last week: Have a look at KlyDE - K lightwight Desktop Environment.
It's a project started by some openSUSE developers who are showing that it is indeed possible to have a very lightwight and Xfce like DE out of KDE. You can expand this minimal base up to a full featured KDE if you want but can go with a minimal base.
So KDE already is extremely modular. Slax showcases this. KlyDE will do a little more to resamble and repackage KDE to deliver a Xfce like experience.
Might be worth a look. :-)
21 • swappiness (by Salvator on 2013-08-06 00:31:46 GMT from Hong Kong)
If swap is in used, how to check what the data/application is using swap?
How to move data in swap back to RAM?
22 • @21 - swappiness (by Somewhat Reticent on 2013-08-06 01:21:18 GMT from United States)
Relax, it's handled automatically, quickly (many times per second). Normally this is only suspected when performance slows unexpectedly.
If you're curious, look for a way to display current RAM/swap usage - just like current time/date, weather, ...
23 • Porteus - a useful distro in my experience (by gnomic on 2013-08-06 01:42:47 GMT from New Zealand)
Good to see a favourable review of Porteus. I have found it useful in the past for burning Linux CDs and DVDs using the run in RAM feature to make the optical drive available. This was especially so with earlier versions which included K3b, the KDE burning programme, for example v1.1. K3b is no longer included out of the box, but can be added by users.
The developers are responsive to bug reports and requests for features, for example the ability to use 3G modems was included in version 2 when i suggested this would be useful. The forums are quite active and generally free of internet pests and timewasters.
24 • Porteus - packages persistance (by gilarno on 2013-08-06 07:25:06 GMT from France)
Thanks for this Porteus review. I just want to point out one difference between live CD distro and live USB distro: the data persistance and customization. With a live USB, you can expect to put your personnal data on your USB stick and to add your favorite packages easily in a persistant way (without creating a new iso).
This second feature is not so common, especially if you want to keep the possibility to jump from one hardware to another. My last test with Puppy is not convincing : after adding personnal packages, it refuses to boot on another harware. Porteus comes with this feature.
25 • Robolinux (by K on 2013-08-06 07:25:14 GMT from India)
How can anyone distribute virtual machine installers of Windows ?
Isn't that violating EULA of windows ?
26 • @25 First install VM, then install WIndows on VM (by Somewhat Reticent on 2013-08-06 08:22:20 GMT from United States)
These install a Virtual Machine (fakes being a computer), on which one then "installs" Windows - using one of many legal installation methods, of course. It's a two-layer process. The usual EULA allows installation on one computer at a time - which could be a virtual computer that fits required specifications, instead of "bare metal". (Did this clarify?)
27 • Porteus (by Angel on 2013-08-06 09:22:24 GMT from Philippines)
Nice little distro. Installed to USB. Had an issue with the Razor version where it kept looking for var/gdm and aborting. Could only boot to the desktop using the text boot option and "startx". Installed the XFCE version and that runs very well. Already tried it on 3 PCs. without problem.
28 • Porteus (by Teresa e Junior on 2013-08-06 09:39:32 GMT from United States)
Very nice distro. Just downloaded a 140MB LiveCD with Xfce that I've created using their build service, which is a bit similar to SUSE Studio, but more straightforward. Includes Opera, Geany, Abiword, Gparted, Pidgin, MPlayer... and is insanely fast even on VirtualBox! Building modules from Debian repositories really works!
29 • Porteus (by Sondar on 2013-08-06 10:34:03 GMT from United Kingdom)
Useful review, thanks, Jesse. After trying several versions, I really cannot agree with No.13's comparison with Puppy. The latter is a more mature system, with out-of-box compatibility for all but the most intractable hardware, fast, intuitive, codecs in place, and - critical for UK residents - correct FlashPlayer for BBC iPlayer. [There is a Slackware-compatible version, too called Slacko, aa 64bit Fatdog, as well as Carolina, an Xfce version, albeit somewhat larger, but still 'light' and 'fast']. Porteus has crashed on several occasions for me on modest hardware, didn't run iPlayer and the lack of an installer leaves a big gap for those who prefer such. Porteus package manager seems a little clumsy, albeit comprehensive. Lots of rough edges which, hopefully, will improve once it has the maturity of Puppy. Forum support will probably gain momentum with time, which will be extremely helpful.
30 • Robolinux and EULA (by TransformHumanity on 2013-08-06 14:04:36 GMT from India)
What is not clear is whether Robolinux actually bundles Windows as a VM. If it does that, then that is a clear violation of EULA.
If it doesn't actually install "W" and just asks users to do it, then it is not a violation of EULA.
But is that a big deal? Can we actually do it in any Linux Distro out there?
Unless of course they have done something especially interesting.
A better effort might be to avoid "W" altogether and teach those guys to move away! To quote someone on this forum, ... just my two cents ... nay my two Rupees (INR to be precise)!
31 • @29 - Porteus and BBC iPlayer (by Pearson on 2013-08-06 14:41:40 GMT from United States)
I've only briefly used and looked at Porteus, and was impressed. I agree that they don't look *quite* as professional as other distros (haven't really used Puppy), but it does look clean and well thought out.
May I suggest checking the forums (and, if needed asking) whether an iPlayer module (with the correct version of Flash) exists?
32 • @22 swappiness (by Salvator on 2013-08-06 20:49:11 GMT from Hong Kong)
After free memory, used space in swap can be handled automatically to free memory. But sometimes, I notice certain size of swap is still in used. Any method to move those remaining used swap to free memory?
33 • light weight distros (by UglyKidBill on 2013-08-06 23:54:37 GMT from Argentina)
I am downloading Porteus right now, it looks like there might finally be a mid-light distro that is not only light and functional but also one that doesn't make my eyes bleed with bizzarre icons and wallpapers... gosh puppy devs, what are you taking when you pick those...? XD
34 • Robolinux (by Chanath on 2013-08-07 01:30:26 GMT from Sri Lanka)
This Robolinux is made out of Ubuntu 12.04 and no one needs to pay to get into a VM environment. DWW is not about MS Windows, or how to use it in VM or otherwise. Usually, computers come with Windows, but most of us want os-less computers, so we can install BSD or Linux distros.
I have found laptops sold with Ubuntu and Zorin OS6, as it looks like Windows, but in Zorin OS nothing is there from Windows. And, it doesn't advertise Windows. This Robolinux is there to advertise Windows, so is not needed by us.
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