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1 • KDE SC on Arch Linux x86_64 (by Martin C. on 2012-09-24 10:04:44 GMT from Argentina) |
"This makes for an unusually responsive KDE desktop out of the box."
I don't what distros have you tried but did you tried KDE SC on Arch lately? With al the eye-candy you might want on it's _blazing fast_, like the rest of the distributions with everything turned off.
I invite you to try it for yourself - and don't forget to fasten your seat belts! =)
2 • PCLinux, SolusOS, & OwnCloud (by SaltyNoob on 2012-09-24 10:23:21 GMT from United States)
For a lazy guy such as myself, PCLinux's Full Monty is very cool. I wish more distro's did a real showcase like this. But if you bought a 64-bit PC in the last year, than you can guess what my only complaint is. I'm not gonna say it, because the *old* linux beards will come after me with their canes.
The nerve of this SolusOS guy. He actually asked for user participation in the OS building process. This guy is also on goggle plus all day long asking for and receiving input on major changes. People in the forums are actually having civil conversations about these changes . This no way to run a distro. (This is Sarcasm for those literal types folks)
Intro to OwnCloud is a good read and cleared up a few questions I had. Thanks for the write up.
3 • Love PCLinuxOS, ownCloud is very interesting (by Andrej on 2012-09-24 10:41:28 GMT from Slovenia)
Just few months away I moved away from Ubuntu tto PCLinuxOS (jumping on some other distros in between) and I absolutely love PCLinuxOS and KDE desktop. Really powerful, beautiful and configurable to no end. Thanks for the ownCloud intro. it looks very very interesting and I will sure have to check it out some day. I have one question though: how well is ownCloud integrated into KDE desktop and software? Is it possible to manage files directly from Dolphin file manager? Is it possible to access it through Amarok music player and Kontact PIM suite?
4 • PCLinuxOS (by kc1di on 2012-09-24 10:42:18 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the nice review. I always keep a copy of the latest PCLinuxOS handy it's be come my go to distro when installing a distro for newbies and it just works on all my hardware out of the box with minimal fussing. It's one of the best out there for easy to use installs.
5 • PCLOS review (by Jordan on 2012-09-24 11:36:42 GMT from United States)
Nice job (as usual) of reviewing that distro. PCLOS is one of my all time faves, along with Vector.
I was reading along hoping to encounter a few words about what differences might be seen in a 64 bit version on a 64 bit machine (performance?). Other than that, the review renewed my enthusiasm for that distro.
6 • Shuttleworth (by Anonymous on 2012-09-24 11:42:38 GMT from United States)
Why wouldn't Shuttleworth defend a move that he will profit from?
7 • PCLinuxOS (by Jesse on 2012-09-24 11:50:24 GMT from Canada)
>> "I was reading along hoping to encounter a few words about what differences might be seen in a 64 bit version on a 64 bit machine (performance?)."
For the sort of things I do, there isn't going to be any difference between the 32-bit and the 64-bit versions. If I were to do some serious number crunching or convert my entire media library or something similar 64-bit might be faster (and use more memory), but for web browsing, image editing, e-mail checking, writing documents, listening to music, etc, I find no noticeable difference.
8 • Unity Dark OS (by ShadowJack on 2012-09-24 11:54:54 GMT from United States)
Jesse, if that is your creation, it is stunning! I'm getting ready to download it, just thought I'd be pedantic and mention that "dual-boot" is not spelled "duel-boot". Unless your OSs are going to be fighting, lol.
9 • DarkOS (by Jesse on 2012-09-24 12:36:10 GMT from Canada)
>> "Jesse, if that is your creation, it is stunning! I'm getting ready to download it, "
The person doing those re-spins is a different Jesse. I'm not attached to the project.
10 • PCLinuxOS (by Black_Codec on 2012-09-24 12:48:48 GMT from Italy)
. If I were to do some serious number crunching or convert my entire media library or something similar 64-bit might be faster (and use more memory)
Not so great work, but for web and c developer 64 bit is better specially when in debug mode of great project or when you have to develop a library for interact 2 ore more project...
An example i develop more of the program that we use in our costumer server farm in a 64 bit enviro when they require the minimal requirements i suggest to use 64 bit some times some costumer use a 32 bit enviro and some times some program that require for example a great number of database query block the system for 5/30 sec instead of 2/3... ten more seconds... So :
" but for web browsing, image editing, e-mail checking, writing documents, listening to music, etc, I find no noticeable difference."
is really true! I think that for web surfing documents writing, music, video an arm with 1 gb ddr3 is more better then an x86 with 4 gb... why? because it cost 100$ vs 200 $ :P
11 • Mini Me works too. (by OldTimer2 on 2012-09-24 12:55:05 GMT from United Kingdom)
As a mainly Arch/Bridge Linux user I have found PCLinuxOS very useful.
In the past it would happily co-exist with other distros and provide an easy way of booting between them. However I found that the recent install didn't link to Grub2 without manual intervention.
Understandable, but they could do better, if they want PCLinuxOS to prosper.
Makers of Linux distros need to sort out the issue of co-existence and how best to manage multiple installs and not assume they will be the only distro installed. It is a bit messy at the moment.
Having used all of the them, I found Mini-me is the best PCLinuxOS implementation, small but enough there to add the apps you like and not the ones you never use but can't be troubled to uninstall.
PCLinuxOS is good but needs to keep up with changes.
12 • PCLinuxOS. It's the one I always come back to. (by Tony (ICT technician) on 2012-09-24 12:56:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
Moved away from Windows about 5 years ago and PCLinuxOS was the one that enabled me to do it.
I tried loads (And I do mean loads) of other distros and PCLinuxOS was the one that worked, was reliable and good speed.
Every 6 months or so I play around with my system and foul it up trying something strange (My fault, not PClinuxOS at all) I then try a round of installing the usual good distros like Mint, Vector, Sabayon and the excellent Saluki (Puppy with XFCE) but end up coming back to PCLinuxOS every time. Thanks to all developers for such a polished and reliable system (The XFCE variety is also brilliant)
Tony (ICT technician for approx 25+ years)
13 • ownCloud (by schultzter on 2012-09-24 13:07:13 GMT from Canada)
I reviewed ownCloud 4 not too long ago and found it to be a project with great promise. I had some trouble with the Windows client though and there a few rough edges that need to be worked out of the web interface. Still, this is a great project that is being really well built.
14 • re: PCLOS (by One_Beerhunter on 2012-09-24 13:38:54 GMT from United States)
A right click on the applications menu allows you to switch between the classic style menu (pclos default) and the newer style.
Those willing to search for the 64bit preview version of PCLOS may find it to be as solid as the 32 bit version, I've been running it for at least 6 months now without complaints.
15 • PCLinuxOS-It's the one I always come back to. (by NMS on 2012-09-24 13:41:05 GMT from Malaysia)
it is a nice 32 bit distro and once i had the same experience. however, one can get similar experience in 64 bit version if using Mageia 2. same base and much of the similar experience with 64 bit. i like it for my 64 bit machine having few gigs of extra RAM. i wish PCLinuxOS had 64 bit version!
16 • #11 (by jack on 2012-09-24 13:47:24 GMT from Canada)
"...Makers of Linux distros need to sort out the issue of co-existence and how best to manage multiple installs and not assume they will be the only distro installed. It is a bit messy at the moment."
Yes and also give more info about where to put "flags"
and perhaps info about "chain loading"
If there is any noobie friendly tutorial out there please point me to it
17 • @ 11: pcLinuxOS ZEN MiniMe (by ShadowJack on 2012-09-24 14:41:47 GMT from United States)
ZEN is smaller, faster and looks beautiful.
18 • @12 by Tony (by Jordan on 2012-09-24 14:47:17 GMT from United States)
"I tried loads (And I do mean loads) of other distros and PCLinuxOS was the one that worked, was reliable and good speed.
Every 6 months or so I play around with my system and foul it up trying something strange (My fault, not PClinuxOS at all) I then try a round of installing the usual good distros like Mint, Vector, Sabayon and the excellent Saluki (Puppy with XFCE)..."
That sums up my Linux behaviors almost to a "T." I do settle in on a distro, most often VectorLinux or PCLinuxOS, and then something draws me away or, as you said, I do something stupid and end up tossing the whole animal out and starting over, even reverting back to Windows for a while.
The "dream" is that I'll never ever ever ever have to leave some beloved disto.. but then at some point I know I'll do something like I did just yesterday: had Vector 7 64 bit running just fine, then decided, "I think I'll try Plasma on this." Well, it borked gslapt right away; would not load from the menu but would from a shell. Not huge. Then I noticed that about half of the tweaks in the settins manager didn't work. Then the cursor themes froze...
..so, here I am again. Guess I'll download and burn PCLinuxOS.. maybe I'll wait for the 14 Slackware.. I'm sure a new (Slackware based) Vector will be along shortly following that.. hmm... ;)
19 • Multiple installs (by Anonymous Coward on 2012-09-24 14:51:15 GMT from Spain)
In my opinion, the best way to support multiple installs is to have good documentation for your bootloaders and a configuration method which is simple (as in KISS) and understandable. This way you let the users fix the problems if any is found. Grub2 does not fit by these parameters if you ask me.
I have set lots of multi-boot environments, for me and for friends with specific needs, and that includes scenarios like "WindowsXp + Homemade Knoppix Multimedia Appliance" or, "Windows Vista + Debian + Modified Knoppix for Handling Secret Data". One of my favorites is "WindowsXP + Knoppix Installed in a Mobile Phone Which is Loaded by the Grub of the Laptop". My own main system is a mix of "Slackware + OpenBSD + Plain Knoppix". Yes, you guessed it: I like Knoppix! (And I must say this environments are true Windows Killers).
OS probing scripts should get improved and polished, but I don't see initial misconfiguration to be a deal breaker. As of today, I usually install and configure the bootloaders by hand. Nothing beats knowing the guts of the booting process. I don't see the configuration scripts handling some weird scenarios my friends and I live in anyway.
Of course, if you write an installer (o whatever software) to detect and set good multi-boot environments, you'd better do it right form the start instead of making your newbie users wander form here to there without a clue.
20 • unity dark (by ubuntuer on 2012-09-24 14:55:27 GMT from United States)
if people don`t like unity why would they like unity dark ? will my gforce gt 610 work out of the box on install ? zorin 5.2 is a dream os / looks changer / easy to install nvidia 304.43 drivers . i rate os`s if they can run open arena without a lot of problems . why so dark and gloomy ? why not light and happy ? unity bites like gnome 3 .
21 • PCLinuxOS (by David McCann on 2012-09-24 16:20:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
Personally, I hate KDE, but if I had to use it, currently PCLinuxOS would be my choice too. Two extra points are the forum — helpful people who actually know what they're talking about! — and the existence of a monthly magazine, with reviews and articles (is that unique to them?). There's extra documemtation hidden away at pclinuxoshelp.com.
Package labeling is a bit erratic: Grisbi and Moneymanager are listed under accounts, but Kmymoney under finance. The sound configuration didn't work and I had to create ~/.asoundrc to enable my USB speakers, but at least that worked, unlike in OpenSUSE and Ubuntu.
22 • Ubuntu choices (by jerrylamos on 2012-09-24 18:38:40 GMT from United States)
Most of the time I'm "keep it simple". I do like access to selected portions of the fancy stuff, settings, applications. So I've got the latest Ubuntu 12.10 (unstable, development, may crash..) full install. Then I do a sudo apt-get install lxde for a more straightforward less overhead desktop. So I can do it simple or log into Unity/compiz if I wish. I haven't explored 3D let alone animations and views.....then drop back to lxde to get some work done.
23 • While desktop Linux has been largely stagnating. (by l2ulinux on 2012-09-24 18:52:46 GMT from United States)
This is late to talk about. But the time has come that it does need to be addressed. Linux around the year 2000 was growing but had many unstable (: not stable : not firm or fixed : not constant:) flaws.
Today is has fixed almost all of the problems and works very well.
The problem with it is there are to many working in a matter that it will die. Everyone should come together and start working to improve the OS just the way the work is done on the kernel. Stop all the division ( to become separated or disunited especially in opinion or interest ) of the same distributions of our OS.
Go back to the Bases of Red Hat ( Fedora ), Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, Arch and FreeBSD and work together to build and improve each base and if you wanted to add your flavor of your desktop in the repository.
In the beginning the talk was about building a free OS compatible (designed to work with another device or system without modification; especially : being a computer designed to operate in the same manner and use the same software as another computer) Windows are MacOS BUT FREE.
24 • PCLinuxOS (by djohnston on 2012-09-24 19:34:21 GMT from United States)
"However, the system does not appear to have any way to notify the user when updates become available."
Install the update-notifier package. An icon will sit in your systray and notify you of all available updates. You can set the update check to occur every few hours or every day or every few days, based on your preferences.
25 • owncloud (by g1 on 2012-09-24 19:38:05 GMT from Italy)
I've never tried ownCloud personally. However, I believe that not automatically sharing files with people newly added to groups might be a good feature, not a defect. If you allow access to a group because you know one particular person does not belong to it, you'd be "surprised" when someone adds him to the group and lets him look at those files of yours he wasn't supposed to see.
26 • PCLOS (by Reticent on 2012-09-24 20:22:58 GMT from United States)
One thing I've come to respect about PCLinuxOS is its respect for variety of hardware. Few distros review hardware detected during boot and do much "thinking" about the best fit. It's a beautiful part of TexStar's legacy.
27 • PCLinuxOS (by Crow on 2012-09-24 21:00:40 GMT from Mexico)
Jesse Smith, thank you for such a good review.
Search for update-notifier, is in repos and easy to install, I personally don't like it, seems a little annoying but there are many who find it useful.
As someone else said, check the Magazine http://pclosmag.com/html/enter.html it has lots of info and some things from the community.
28 • ownCloud (by Woodcat on 2012-09-24 21:09:09 GMT from Canada)
I liked your article about ownCloud. Would it be better solution than NAS if it,s used mainly just for backups?
29 • PCLinuxOS and ownCloud (by Jesse on 2012-09-24 21:36:02 GMT from Canada)
>> "Search for update-notifier, is in repos and easy to install,"
Thanks. I didn't mean to imply update notification couldn't be added, simply that it isn't there by default. Most of the big nme distros these days have update notification out of the box. PCLinuxOS takes a more manual approach. Which is fine, in my opinion, as they inform users about package management up front.
>> " Would it be better solution than NAS if it,s used mainly just for backups?"
ownCloud isn't really a backup solution, it's a synchronization solution. If you accidentally delete your file on one computer it'll sync that chang eand remove the file everywhere. If you update or corrupt the file, the bad version spreads to all of your devices. This is not the sort of behaviour you want in a backup solution. Backups should provide multiple safe, old copies of files. A NAS would be much better for backups, but a product like ownCloud is great for sharing and collaboration.
30 • the "CLOUD" (by jxliv7 on 2012-09-25 02:03:31 GMT from United States)
There was an article on Forbes yesterday ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/danwoods/2012/09/23/buyers-beware-private-clouds-that-arent-clouds-at-all/ ) about how the meaning of the cloud has been distorted - I think it's summed up by the page 2 comment that if you own/maintain the infrastructure, it isn't the cloud.
31 • nice "page hit" feature (by cflow on 2012-09-25 03:50:18 GMT from United States)
I noticed just yesterday that when you do a distro page hit, the distribution info page now tells you the number of page hits and the ranking in the different timed intervals being tracked. I think that's really convenient! Now I can see the popularity of lesser-known distros much clearer. I'd definitely keep this feature in this site...
32 • Desktop Android - how will the big distros respond to the tidal wave? (by Andy Prough on 2012-09-25 03:55:26 GMT from United States)
We can't be more than a few months out from the release of Desktop Android, now that Google is stabilizing multi-user support. When it hits the market, it will have sweeping support from hardware vendors and software vendors, far beyond anything ever seen by one of the established distros like Debian, Red Hat, SuSe.
Within a couple years, Desktop Android will probably be sold on 1/3 or more of all new PCs and laptops sold.
How will today's big distros respond? Will they be swept away into irrelevance? Will they fall in line and use Android as the default DE, and try to find specialized niches to survive? What will happen to Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc? Will they be re-engineered to work atop an Android kernel and an Android subsystem?
33 • RE: 31 nice "page hit" feature (by ladislav on 2012-09-25 03:58:54 GMT from Taiwan)
This has been requested quite a bit recently, so it's here to stay. One other thing I implemented last weekend - the search page now sorts distribution according to "popularity" (i.e. six month page hit figures) rather than alphabetically. That's another thing that some people asked for.
If there is anything else you'd like to see improved on the site, please let me know now (while I am hot on PHP/SQL coding, which doesn't usually last too long...).
34 • @23 Linux desktop (by ange on 2012-09-25 08:08:48 GMT from Hungary)
I don't think that Linux is good for everyone. I only want to use my fax modem yesterday, I remembered it was works well with hsfmodem with Ubuntu and it was available via dell support. Dell abandoned this kind of support, and removed the old packages. I can't install hsfmodem support from source because kernel changed in crazy way. Cisco VPN client doesn't works from the same reason. Kernel is changing too quickly, nobody cares about backward compatibility. It's too unpredictable to trust.
35 • The software Toybox (by Paul on 2012-09-25 09:25:48 GMT from Australia)
Opening the Toy Box. (The Short Story)
As a non geek but a free software advocate I must congratulate Zorin OS6 & Descent OS 3.0 for finally being distro producers that have their eye on the ball and made it possible for people like myself to be able to open their Toy Box and be able to actually access the Internet from within their toybox via a version of Network Manager that actually works with their Desktop.
That Network Manager Version is ( 0.9.4.1-0ubuntu2 released about june 2012 )
(The Long Story)
I have been trying to link a 3G USB Modem Dongle (Sierra Wireless Air Card 880U) in Australia with Linux for the past 3years and with varying success. I have tried just about every Distro from Distrowatch and now have a spare bedroom full of failed Distro's from Arch (which was useless to try to access it's packages via scripts written on WVDIAL) down to Zorin and have finally found a winner.(Zorin and Descent OS)
The frustration of having to test all those Distro's to sort out if they would work to the real world has taken it's toll on me. It was possible to use WVDIAL on some after writing the appropriate script information but kppp was useless and as for Network manager up to version 0.8.0 they were useless for a 3G umts/hspa usb modem dongle (Sierra 880U) on the Australian Telstra 3g (WCDMA) Mobile Broadband IP Network.
I now have a Pre Paid 4G LTE usb Dongle (it happens to be a ZTE MF821) for use with win7 and have not tried it yet on zorin os6.
To add to the complications Australia's Telstra changed their APN fir 3G to “telstra.bigpond” from “telstra.internet” and that meant that the WVDIAL script needed alterations which I accidentally noticed/found while searching through an internet forum discussion using windows xp.
(The APN apparently changed in 2010) so the script I had previously got to work started to fail on any distro using wvdial.
It looks like Distro guru's are missing this very important point and that is that the Distro's has to be able to readily connect with the real world to make their Toy Box viable for everyone to use. Not everyone has an ADSL Landline or wifi or LAN access. I can now recommend to people locally that Zorin and Descent OS actually work via the Internet using a 3G usb modem dongle whereas before I would not have recommended any Linux Distro of any type because of the communications issues.
There are some very pretty Eye Candy Distro's around such as Gentoo (uses WICD & useless), Luninux, Gen-os, Igolaware and old Monomaxos from Greece but they are Painted up Toy Boxes that are Locked out when it comes to being able to access the Mobile Broadband 3G/4G usb modem network. The only Network Manager Version that I have found that works is Version ( 0.9.4.1-0ubuntu2 or 0.9.4.0-0ubuntu1 as used in Descent OS 3.0 ) it actually allows you to enable the USB Mobile Broadband Modem and then allows you to edit and connect via the applet. What a pleasure it is to be able to use a Linux Operating system fully and be freed from using terminal and WVDIAL and checking scripts. I just tried Linux Mint 13 KDE and it's Network Manager (Unknown applet type) failed to connect so once again another Frizzby for the spare bedroom. Puppy Linux had the right ideas about internet access with Barry Kauler providing the guidance.
I have watched Distrowatch grow for the last 3 years and you have done a brilliant job in all aspects of you web site and editorials. I have recommended it to numerous work mates who wanted to learn about other alternatives to windows etc.
The one improvement that I would like to see if it was at all possible given the trauma I have gone thru to get to the net with Linux would be an inclusion on your database for every Distro of the version of Network Manager being supplied. Example ( Version 0.9.4.1-0ubuntu2 ) being the best to date.
The problem is that I don't know if the best Network Manger is tied to the type of Kernel and or Desktop such as KDE,Enlightenment,Gnome,Cinnamon etc but maybe you may have access to that information and a better background knowledge than me.
I tried Ubuntu 11.04 and it failed as it was using an old Version of Network Manager (0.8.4-git)
I have just tried Ubuntu 12.04 LXF Remix and It Works to the internet using on the Distro Network Manager (0.9.4.1-0 ubuntu2) so in the Last week I have now found 3 Disto's that actually work with the Sierra Wireless Air Card 880U. I hope this is a sign of good things to come from now on and people should be made aware that this is a milestone as far as I am concerned.
I had tried Sakis 3G software and USB modeswitch in desperation none of which seemed to help.
I just tried the 4G ZTE MF821 on Ubuntu 12.04 and the device was not detected at all so I can't use it with Linux unless I go back to WVDIAL and scripts but Ubuntu derivatives now don't like WVDIAL so I am out of luck again with 4G even though it is capable of falling back to 3G it has to be recognised first, Luckily I still have my 3G unit.
All the best to Distrowatch staff.
25th September 2012....... Australia
36 • @ 35 Toyboxes... (by Alex on 2012-09-25 09:55:31 GMT from Germany)
By the way, Zorin OS is also a toy box. It is just Ubuntu 12.04 with Avant window manager and the word AWn had been changed to Zorin Desktop in the Unity Greeter. You don't need a "look-changer" as you have Gnome-classic right there in the Unity Greeter. Check your Unity Greeter Paul...
37 • @35 Toynboxes etc (by Alex on 2012-09-25 10:00:21 GMT from United States)
"I have been trying to link a 3G USB Modem Dongle (Sierra Wireless Air Card 880U) in Australia with Linux for the past 3years and with varying success. I have tried just about every Distro from Distrowatch and now have a spare bedroom full of failed Distro's from Arch (which was useless to try to access it's packages via scripts written on WVDIAL) down to Zorin and have finally found a winner."
You live in Australia, but you don't appear to know the best Ubuntu remix ever produced is coming from Australia itself! Look for Black Opal 32 bit or 64 bit. Google Oz Unity Black Opal.
Zorin is a baby compare to Black Opal from Australia!!!
38 • PCLOS weirdness (by Jordan on 2012-09-25 11:09:12 GMT from United States)
That was a first for me, in about a thousand tries at installing distros over the years since '96: burned, checked hash (perfect match), booted to the dvd, got a scrolling "logo too big" message going down the screen. Just text on black, right after a line of copyright info.
Re-burned to new dvd, same same. Put in other dvds (Vector and Sabayon which installed normally).
Now what on earth? Re-downloaded and re-burned again, same thing!
Gotta head to the PCLOS forums with this, just telling here to see if others at DW have ever seen this.
39 • PCLinuxOS, an example of good work (by Osoloco on 2012-09-25 12:08:37 GMT from Ecuador)
PCLinuxOS is definitelly a great distro. And you admire it more if you compare the small team and limited resources they manage to produce a high quality Distro, to other big, corporate backed distros (I prefer not to mention any names...).
The "only" problem of PCLinuxOS is the limited, and some times outdated, packages repository. But that is explained for the small team of mantainers they have.
However, regarding the daily used popular packages (i.e. LibreOffice, Firefox, VLC, Gimp, VirtualBox, etc.), they do an amazing job providing timely updated versions. Did I mention it is a very stable Distro? All this shows that usually is more important a commited and motivated team and community to produce a high quality product and service (Distro), than large budgets.
Congrats and thanks to all the PCLinuxOS guys and gals for your great job. Keep it up!
40 • @3 (by Adam Williamson on 2012-09-25 16:21:39 GMT from Canada)
I haven't tried it with KDE, but it provides a WebDAV interface for the files and it's easy to set up a WebDAV share in GNOME and then add it to the bar of 'places' in the GNOME file chooser, which makes it nice and integrated to the desktop (this is how I use it). I'd be quite surprised if you can't do the same with KDE, and indeed, http://owncloud.org/support/webdav/ suggests you can.
As for music, http://owncloud.org/media-player/ says it includes Ampache, and amaroK is compatible with that. Seems like a slightly unusual choice - there's a much more 'standard' media server protocol in DLNA - but tailor-made for your situation, so rejoice.
41 • PC-Linux (by clikHere2readTheLinuxUnchained on 2012-09-25 22:48:52 GMT from Canada)
I just installed and tried PClinuxOS. It's great and runs pretty fast on my corei3 machine. I look forward to even faster, lighter -- most importantly; a user friendlier PClinuxOS.
42 • PClinuxOS (by Oli on 2012-09-26 03:52:37 GMT from United States)
I tried KDE and XFCE They are quick alright, but doesn't see the video driver and show only 1024*786 or something. It says that there is no compositing, but Ubuntu sees everything. Synaptic works well with rpm packages. Looks nice, but something is missing, and it is just a feeling. Safer with Ubuntu.
43 • PCLOS - My favorite by far (by Jeff D on 2012-09-26 07:54:54 GMT from United States)
I have used many of the Linux distros over the last 5 years, but I like PCLOS the best! It is stable and easily configurable but you don't generally have to configure much unlike some distros. It also has good repository support. With PCLOS I never have to boot into windows.
I also like puppy, it is light weight, fast and easily configurable and works on almost all hardware. Puppy is the easiest to get working with a GUI on hardware that most other distros balk at. Its limited repository depth is its weakness.
Distrowatch is great keep up the good work.
44 • PClos @Jeff D (by I-like-Ubuntu on 2012-09-26 12:06:02 GMT from Sweden)
PClos came from Mandriva, had a problem with them and changed to become another distro, but it too has the same problems of Mandriva. Its "philosophy" depends on one man's whims, just like Slackware. Synaptic working with rpm packages is good, but what else? What would you do, if he won't package newer apps anymore?
45 • Distro with good performance on NOT breaking and lasting support (by Jan on 2012-09-26 12:22:38 GMT from Netherlands)
I have been fiddling with Linux distro's for some years.
I have experienced, for the chosen "FINAL" distro, quite some stopping of support (no updates any more, without any notice of stopping or why), and breaking of the distro after an update (so after an update, no booting any more in the OS).
Also the supposed intrinsic security, because of which not any security programs was supposted to be needed, baffled me.
Because of this I returned to MS.
However my curiousity/interest in the Linux development stays. And for secure and private internet-use a bootable CD like LPS-Linux, or GParted for HDD-maintenance, is superior.
It would be interesting to inventarize the distro's which have a good record on the mentioned Linux-experience-breakers.
I hope to see some info from users.
46 • Zorin (by Jordan on 2012-09-26 12:44:28 GMT from United States)
Zorin is drawing me in now that I've discovered dconf for more configurability. The Ubuntu base philosophy is there, but the Zorin philosophy/scheme seems a great dress-up for it. It is very interesting, not to mention fast, robust and "ready."
One can move away from the Windows-like looks of the distro quite easily (going against the stated appeal to new Linux users), which I've done (wish I could post a screeny here).
Anyway, Vector Linux still resides on my other hard drive, but this one is staying for a while, maybe indefinitely. :)
47 • @45 going back to MS (by Riddle on 2012-09-26 13:08:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
Going back to MS for such a silly matter is just foolish. You keep your home directory in another partition, so your data would be safe. Also keep your installed applications in /opt or in /usr/share and check them regularly. When you are updating/upgrading, be sure to know what you are doing. I haven't gone back to MS for years now and I don't feel that there is a distro called MS Windows. I am not going to check what is Windows 8 at all. What for?
@46 Jordan; It is not Zorin that's drawing you in, but Ubuntu 12.04 and the Awn dock. Zorin's default Windows-looking theme is just ugly. Zorin OS would one day kick the Windows refugees back. There is no future to that distro. It can't make another Zorin OS 7 with Ubuntu 12.10 or next Ubuntu ones with its buggy Awn dock and Gnomenu, which is not in development any more. Try to install a new app and see, whether you can use the Gnomenu without logging out. The best distro for Windows refugees is still Ubuntu with its ever evolving Unity DE.
48 • @45 (by TonyA on 2012-09-26 13:59:38 GMT from Thailand)
I too have been fiddling with distros for 8 years.
Before I fiddle, I make a backup.
3 minutes of work to avoid an hour of frustration.
I have done the same for 9 years with Windows XP......... Backup.
The other way to fiddle is to simply use virtualbox.
But you knew that already, isn't it ?
Keep fiddling and having fun
Groetjes van je zuiderbuurman
49 • @42 (by GoustiFruit on 2012-09-26 14:27:36 GMT from France)
Use PCC to install your graphic driver, everything is automated !
50 • @riddle ... (by Jordan on 2012-09-26 16:35:05 GMT from United States)
@47. You're telling another person what it really is they like about a distro, despite what that person stated? Then you're trashing the distro as "ugly" and with "no future?"
Methinks some doth protest too much. Zorin is a classy endeavor, akin (as discussed a while back on this page) to Xandros which did bite the dust after a while, but parting company with Xandros in that the stated philosophy is for those new to Linux, and also in that (as one can see on the Zorin home page) they invite input as to how to make it better, even to the point of including a survey/questionaire.
Many distros drift off, maybe Zorin will too. But man, let's at least respect it when a user compliments what they see, instead of trying to make that user seem wrong for what they like about it. I have high respect for these devs crafting and tweaking distributions with a vision in mind, and I believe that there is no failure or lack of future even in one that falls by the wayside, because it was here and it made some Linux users curious and/or happy for the time it was used.
51 • @ 50 Jordan (by Alexi on 2012-09-26 17:52:34 GMT from United States)
I think Riddle is right. Zorin OS window theme is ugly. There is no devs tweaking the distro, but one person. If you know Ubuntu 12.04, then have a look at Zorin OS 6. There is nothing other than what any Ubuntu user could do with Synaptic. How many additions are there? Gimp, Wine and what else? Can you install Awn dock by yourself? There is a script waiting you in Google search. Can you install Gnomenu in Ubuntu 12.04? Check in Tux Garage. Then do sudo nano /usr/share/xsessions/awn.desktop and change the first line to anything you want, >You could even write Jordan there, or even Zorin Desktop and what you get? Zorin OS. There are some more changes to do in few files, but that would take 3 minutes. Zorin OS is nothing but the Look-changer, which is more than 2 years old. What would Zorin do, when Ubuntu takes out AWN out of Quantal repos? Some people say they are making an OS, but all they do is add one or two small lines into few files.
Jordan, go to /usr/share/python-apt/templates and have look at two files, Ubuntu.info and Zorin.info in Gedit and compare. Then go to /etc/lsb-release and change the first line to Jordan or whatever and see whether you could update. One thing is to really work on a distro, another is just copying few files and changing few words in few files.
52 • Fiddling with distro's (by Jan on 2012-09-26 19:13:41 GMT from Netherlands)
TonyA and Riddle,
Thanks for your advices.
At the time of my fiddling I was a "Linux-noob", so was not aware of secure precautions to restrict disasters.
And precautions were not particularly in the messages of the Linux-promotors.
After the disasters, I Googled the problem and found (after an enormous amount of nonsense messages) the explanation or a solution (e.g. do not install the bootloader in the MBR, but in the partition of the installed Linux, and then use GAG (and have a floppy with GAG available)).
Trough this gave me some interesting leaning, not everyone has the time and the patience and stubbornness.
53 • @45 Stable Distros (by Koroshiya Itchy on 2012-09-26 22:01:39 GMT from Belgium)
#47 and #48 have given you good advise: Create different partitions (at least for /home) and do regular backups (you can easily automate backups).
However, they did not address your question about stable distros with long term support. These are my 2 cents:
1.- RHEL and derivatives such as CentOS, Scientific Linux, etc. They may not be very current, but you get rock-solid stability and very long support. I think to remember that RHEL is still supporting versions that are over 6 years old.
2.- Debian stable. My personal favourite, mainly due to the superb package manager and smooth updates.
3.- Slackware. In principle, it does not have a dependency-aware package manager.
That said, stability and security are also about how you use the system. But, if you use it wisely, those distros can be up and running for years without a reboot (unless, of course, if you upgrade the kernel, the xserver, libc, etc).
54 • @52 (by TonyA on 2012-09-27 02:06:05 GMT from Thailand)
If you are using GAG, you will have to be careful
As far as I know, GAG only handles Grub Legacy
So, if you have Ubuntu with Grub2, I am pretty sure GAG will not handle it.
For me, I use PCLinuxOS as the first Distro ( sda5) and I add the following for each following distro ( always bootloader in sda6, sda7,sda8 etc )
NameDistro..... can be anything you want ((ex: Mageia2 64bit on sda8 ))
hd0.....this is zero, not O ooh
5.....this is always 1 lower than the partition you installed the bootloader to
so, install in sda6 it will be 5
install in sda9 it will be 8
it works 95% of the time.
55 • @myself above (by TonyA on 2012-09-27 02:49:01 GMT from Thailand)
Those are entries in a file called menu.lst
You can access them in /boot/grub/menu.lst
There is also an option like :Redo MBR : which does it automatically.
I don't know if other distros also have that.
56 • Boot managers and bootloaders (by Reticent on 2012-09-27 02:53:38 GMT from United States)
I've read that GAG can chain to Grub2; that's not the challenge.
GRUB4dOS can chain to several, including Windows
There's also SysLinux, XOSL, and LiLo, just to name a few more.
Even Windows bootloaders can chain to Linux systems.
These things are not simple or reliably automated, however.
The actively maintained tools tend to either be proprietary and dysfunctional, or ever-changing and ever-more-complex.
57 • PCLOS (by zykoda on 2012-09-27 07:55:00 GMT from United Kingdom)
I have tried 3 releases of PCLOS. Every time the installation was quick and easy and updates worked flawlessly...until there were repository changes. Each time that was a killer and installation of the succeeding release was necessary. A rolling release only for fixed repos in my opinion...continuity not maintained...breakage was, for me, irreparable; at least in the time I am willing to spend on forensics. Curiosity might, eventually, coerce me to try the current release, and although I fear similar outcomes, I will be threefold prepared, wondering what went awry on the previous occasions.
58 • @57 (by TonyA on 2012-09-27 10:00:02 GMT from Thailand)
If you had mentioned "when" or "why" there were repositories changes,
someone could have explained...something to you.
Right now, your description is a little....short.
As far as I am aware, there are warnings when trouble can be expected and people get (afaik ) told what to do or what not to do.
Yes, I am also aware of a few disasters. As I said above, if you have a backup, there should be a minimum of disruption.
There is no excuse, none whats-o-ever, for not having a backup.
While your argument (case ) may be valid, .........well.......backup :-)
59 • Mageia should be de-listed (by Annoyed on 2012-09-27 13:42:54 GMT from United States)
I do and always have understood that the Page Hit Ranking on DW is not an accurate means regarding actual popularity of a distro.
That said... it has been real evident that some folks are artificially boosting Magia's numbers for quite a while now. I think I even read some comments a while back that they were bragging about it on their forums. I really don't care about the big guys (Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.)... but it is a slap in the face to the other small distros that aren't cheating... and it's a really cheap ploy to use DW as a marketing tool for Magia. The authors can claim innocence if they want, but they could urge their fans to stop this crap, especially if they are were on the verge of getting de-listed.
I'm kind of surprised more people aren't annoyed by this... regardless of how accurate the rankings allegedly are or are not. It's definitely unfair to the smaller distros that actually earned their spots legitimately.
60 • Rolling Releases (by Alex on 2012-09-27 13:47:38 GMT from United States)
I've also experienced the breakage involved with PCLinuxOS on upgrading my system. There is a substantial amount of caution and research to be made before you do that big update. A lot of the time, all goes well. Other times, not so much, and this is true whichever distro you run (Arch, LMDE, etc.). Rolling releases aren't for lazy people.
Yeah, we should all keep backups. Still, I think the point that advocates like to make about rolling release advantages over standard releases can be overstated at times.
61 • RE: 59 Mageia should be de-listed (by ladislav on 2012-09-27 13:56:20 GMT from Taiwan)
Right. Please send me your ranking how it should be and I'll put it up. Why bother with this silly page hit business when we have experts on distro popularity right here...
62 • PCLOS #58,60 (by zykoda on 2012-09-27 14:53:59 GMT from United Kingdom)
Despite my best efforts during the previous upgrades, there were system and application "breakages"...not meticulously logged and too long ago to remember. Because of backups and concurrently running systems. Speaking generally, backups are not always useful when configurations change, or alternative applications are substituted (one must but industrious). My sidux/aptosid is still running even throughout the KDE3->4 etc...disturbances. That is truly a miracle, the devs deserve a medal. And you (#60) sure are right about the "RR" perceived advantages. The whole computing scenario reminds me of Suntola's Dynamic Universe, but with many more dimensions than 4.
63 • #59 (by zykoda on 2012-09-27 15:08:57 GMT from United Kingdom)
Why? When Android is round the corner. Not represented on Distrowatch yet!
64 • Rolling releases (by claudecat on 2012-09-27 15:33:18 GMT from United States)
It's been my experience that rolling releases can and do work well with proper vigilance. I have Aptosid, Gentoo, Arch and PCLOS installs all working flawlessly for years, but yes, I have had to do some reading from time to time to keep them that way. These distros are not for everyone, but that is what Ubuntu and Mint (and others) are for. For me, the advantages of rolling releases far outweigh the burden of a bit of reading before updating.
65 • Currently switched to PCLinuxOS (by mark on 2012-09-27 16:35:03 GMT from United States)
Aside from the screen resolution detection issue which multiple people have mentioned (not only in Jesse's review), PCLOS is the fastest, fully functional, everyday user desktop. I was previously into Mageia, but after getting curious about it after reading Jesse's review, I'm now hooked. PCLOS is just like Mageia, but even faster, specifically at bootup and shutdown. It also has (IMO) "better" default desktop settings for the snappiest response out of the box. I'm sold, and I hope PCLOS is here to stay.
The only thing I don't like about it, and this is totally superficial, is that the startup and shutdown progress bar screens are the ugliest I've ever seen (please take out the text, it's not needed and it looks ugly, it's not even centered right). I promptly modded my /etc/grub/menu.lst to get rid of them (I'd much rather see startup/shutdown console messages anyway).
Out of curiosity to what other people think, here is my Unix distro lineup:
User Desktop: PCLinuxOS
66 • 2MB upload limit of ownCloud (by dalcde on 2012-09-27 22:44:21 GMT from Hong Kong)
As far as I know, the 2MB limit is a result of php configs. By changing that php configuration files, the limit can be raised.
67 • #61 (by Slayton on 2012-09-28 03:52:06 GMT from United States)
It would be nice to see more and more people provide their own rankings. Many of us have tried many of these distros, so it would be nice for us to pitch in, and provide a ranking of all the distros we have tried in a reasonable amount of time. I have loaded almost every distro at one time or another, and feel that the hit system is fairly accurate with a pothole here and there.
68 • re, 65. (by willi-amp on 2012-09-28 13:05:59 GMT from United Kingdom)
Welcome aboard Mark. The trouble with PCLinuxOS is that it gives so little trouble that it seldom gets mentioned in the comments, to the point where it appears not to exist. (Antix is another). It is almost as though an inverse factor kicks-in with the fewer the comments posted the better the distribution. Which is why Uknowhu has occupied up to 80% of the Comments section week after week during the past few years.
69 • DW and PHR (by Jordan on 2012-09-28 13:27:24 GMT from United States)
I just googled "latest linux distros" and of course Distrowatch was at the top of the Google list.. and 2nd.. then was Softpedia's link.
The other day I was reading a review of VectorLinux put up earlier this year and the DW PHR came up, along with the "..light-hearted.." quote from the explanation page here, as an aside to distro popularity.
I see DW and the PHR as a bit like the shy guy on the football team who outplayed everybody else. We all come here. The detractors come here for their distro downloads, and I'll bet the wart on my ass to your 10 bucks that those same detractors eye the PHR as a consideration in what's going on lately in Linux.
70 • re 68,65 (by Ron on 2012-09-28 17:58:05 GMT from United States)
"For me, the advantages of rolling releases far outweigh the burden of a bit of reading before updating"
For me, if I get on a bus I expect to not need check the engine oil to know my trip will succeed.
71 • I meant re: 64 (by Ron on 2012-09-28 18:02:47 GMT from United States)
Sorry, numbers confused.
72 • re,70 (by willi-amp on 2012-09-28 18:15:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
If it was someone else's bus I would agree. But if it was my bus I would make sure that the oil was topped up before setting out, especially if it would help me on my way.
73 • re 70, 72 (by claudecat on 2012-09-29 03:35:44 GMT from United States)
To take your analogy a bit further, if I could ensure that my bus was always equipped with state of the art technology by merely "checking the oil"... Hmmm... perhaps the analogy does not work as intended.
74 • Woe is us..woe is we? (by Jordan on 2012-09-29 12:13:09 GMT from United States)
Well anyway, Slackware 14 is released, but the download mirrors atm are clogged..
..gotta give it a week or so to unclog I suppose. Meanwhile, they're reporting that the chosen kernel branch will be maintained "indefinitely" saying "at least two years." Cool, that is a long time in distro land. I wish I had a better understanding of the details of what keeps the bleeding edge out of the picture in a brand new release like this. I do understand the general "stability" angle.. just wish I knew because they do employ the new compiler etc.
75 • @74, Slackware questions (by TobiSGD on 2012-09-29 12:41:02 GMT from Germany)
Use the torrents, they are working fine.
Regarding the kernel questions, version 3.4.9 was tested on Slackware during the beta phase, but couldn't be considered stable, so Mr. Volkerding decided to stick with the LTS 3.2 series, with giving config files for newer kernels in the /testing directory.
76 • @54 Gag + Grub2 (by PatrikJA on 2012-09-29 13:09:37 GMT from Sweden)
Gag works without problems with Grub2, just as with Grub1 (I am using it here, with Debian).
77 • The Slackware 14 kernel (by Jordan on 2012-09-29 15:17:59 GMT from United States)
@TobiSGD thank you. Some of us want to embark on a new (for me) adventure in compiling etc. I want to have more of the "I built that" feeling in Linux, after all these years.
I have been reading.. need to start real slowly and also need to keep my two faves on separate hard drives (Vector and Zorin). Slackware is the foundation to Vector, so it'll be a labor of love. Wondering how deep to get into it, so will take baby steps. The Newer compiler (llvm-clang) holds mysteries for me, so .. well.. feeling pretty dumb but willing. :oD
78 • @76 (by TonyA on 2012-09-30 00:45:34 GMT from Thailand)
Thanks for the note.
It doesn't work here on 2 different computers.(2 Ubuntu spinoffs in sda8 and sda11 )
I will have to find out a few things then. as I liked GAG a lot.
79 • @77, llvm (by TobiSGD on 2012-09-30 01:32:34 GMT from Germany)
Clang is not part of the Slackware repository. llvm is only there because you need it for the Gallium video drivers, IIRC. For compiling GCC is still the standard compiler and I don't think that there is an intention to change that.
80 • Linux desktop - it should be (by ange on 2012-09-30 08:11:11 GMT from Hungary)
Gnome 3.6 released and user-theme extension gone again. Only ~30 extension available for 3.6, not the useful ones. If we always must wait for extensions just like in firefox, it makes the whole thing less usable.
If you find a well-polished distro with relative small footprint and better qualities like Gnome Shell, I recommend Elementary OS, daily ISOs are available at sourceforge (elementaryos) under the unstable files.
It's stable enough now, this version is developed since 2011 very slowly, but it worth the price.
81 • @78, GAG, alternative: PLOP-bootmanager ? (by Jan on 2012-09-30 12:57:05 GMT from Netherlands)
Possibly the PLOP bootmanager can be used as an alternative.
I am using it as a bootable floppy to boot from a USB-stick on a PC which officially does not have this possibility.
However I think it can also be installed on the HD as a bootmanager.
82 • @79.. clang etc (by Jordan on 2012-09-30 13:48:28 GMT from United States)
Thanks.. I must have misunderstood the release blurb posted here at DW:
"We've brought together the best of these and other modern components and worked our magic on them. You'll find new compilers (including the LLVM/Clang compiler that's becoming a popular alternative to GCC)..."
83 • @82, clang (by TobiSGD on 2012-09-30 18:17:07 GMT from Germany)
Sorry, I was mistaken. i thought that there was no clang on the system because it has no extra package, but it is in fact integrated in the llvm package. So clang is available on Slackware.
84 • Slack.. *clangggggg* (by Jordan on 2012-10-01 00:03:24 GMT from United States)
That's cool, thank you for checking that out.
I've got quite the adventure ahead of me.. after all this time I'll finally be getting to the meat of linux.
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