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1 • Getting into linux... (by Rebecca on 2012-07-09 09:32:51 GMT from New Zealand)
A long time go in a far distant galaxy.... I saw '2001 : A space odyssey' - and I'd been programming the early Texas and Rockwell calcs for my father back in the 60's.... so I was primed. Cue boring computing lessons at school.... and then getting my hands on bigger machines at uni - and I was off! Started with Z80 (Grundy Newbrain) and then graduated to MSDOS compatible machines and wanted something with more grunt that MSDOS.... so after installing and supporting some machines running Consensys and Xenix, I tried Coherent and loved it! And then I found a book and CD called 'Linux Universe'...... and that was when I realised I'd found a home....
Now - all these years later, I'm runnning multiple linux, windows and solaris VM's off a Mac - which is a pretty unix system - and feeling comfortable with the world because my data is safe.... and I don't have to keep rebooting the damned PC all the time.
Windows is fun.... and it's everywhere...... but so what? I can get most of my tools that I need under linux now, there's always 'wine' for the others - and there's some amazing stuff for the mac.....
Windows is only used now when there's nothing else that can fill the requirement.
2 • Russia (by sergey on 2012-07-09 09:58:56 GMT from Russian Federation)
Ребята вы что делаете с системой ubuntu она же превращается в ни что
3 • Re: #2 (by silent on 2012-07-09 11:04:30 GMT from Europe)
If Ubuntu does not react to anything, I presume that you should restart it. If you have an old machine, you may consider using Xubuntu or Bodhi (Ubuntu spin with E17)
4 • Virtual PDF Printer - included in most distro's/firefox (by Morgan Cox on 2012-07-09 11:14:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
Most distros have firefox which has a virtual pdf printer included.
i.e print -> print to file -> pdf
5 • my Linux love story (by ix on 2012-07-09 11:31:39 GMT from Romania)
I was tired of Windows and all its problems and I heard about Linux so I tried it out. After a few failed attempts with Slackware, Mandriva, Fedora, I decided to try PCLinuxOS and it was love at first sight, it worked fine and it was beautiful, it had KDE 3 in those days. I did use a lot of distros since then, I've used openSUSE and Ubuntu for a while but I've been using Debian for the last few years and I'm very happy with it, I think my distro-hopping days are over.
6 • Ubuntu 12.04.1 release schedule? (by Nysa on 2012-07-09 11:39:07 GMT from Indonesia)
So Ubuntu 12.04.1 release schedule is 2012-07-19 or 2012-08-23 ?
7 • zorin OS (by naveen on 2012-07-09 12:08:55 GMT from India)
I don't know why Linux developer are imitating Windows 7 ,Mac still we have sound technology , good no. of desktop choices now mate and Cinnamon became quite popular.
8 • zorin OS (by Carlos Felipe on 2012-07-09 12:59:34 GMT from Brazil)
Ok, but a newbie can easily lost the panel clicking on "exit" (AWN) and doesn't to know how to restore the panel.
A good system needs be newbie proof, just in this case I guess Windows is best because you cannot destroy your desktop environment.
@naveen
Good artists copy, great artists steal (Steve Jobs)
9 • Ubuntu Precise Release Schedule (by LAZA on 2012-07-09 13:16:10 GMT from Germany)
@6:
Look here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule/
10 • First dose of Linux (by Arve Eriksson on 2012-07-09 13:35:27 GMT from Sweden)
... Yum. Way back when, I had just got myself a Creative X-Fi ExtremeMusic, and WinXP threw an epic fit and had to be reinstalled. I took exception to that, so after fuming a bit, this guy I met on the Freespace 2 forum recommended Ubuntu (2006-ish, I think they hadn't started with the goofy code names at the time). After a false start or two, I found that Linux was easier to manage (and mismanage, heh...) than XP. Of course, I had to resort to the onboard sound hardware until ALSA conjured up serviceable X-Fi drivers a few years later. But ANYWAY!
I feel that Linux just caters more to me as a person than Windows does. Sure, most (um, 95+ %) of the games I play are made for Windows and Wine isn't really an option (spank you, DRM, spank you very much), but I like the chance to REALLY tinker with the innards. Customising the UI, booting into different desktops... Yep, Linux is made in my image! :-D (Unity's lack of customisation is a bit of a let-down, however.)
11 • Zorin 6 user comments (by ccsrgv on 2012-07-09 14:14:14 GMT from United States)
First, my hat is off to the programmers who obviously spend a lot of time doing something that so many of us can't or won't do, trying to devise a usable operating system alternative to Microsoft products.
I would like to submit some feedback, though, from the perspective of the end user. I was a long time user of Zorin 5. For the most part I was very pleased with Zorin 5. I really like the desktop effects, especially the ability to easily modify the mouse pointer. As some one with eyesight issues,that was very important to me and Zorin 5 was the only Linux based distribution that I found that allowed this functionality.
There was one issue that continually bugged me, though with the Zorin 5 environment, the message pane list in Evolution was double spaced. I searched the web for a resolution to this, but never found one.
So, I was very eager to try the Zorin 6 distribution. However, I was very disappointed in Zorin 6. The ability to manipulate the mouse pointer was withdrawn and the double spaced mail list issue Evolution was not addressed.
Furthermore, I was forced to search for a fix that would allow me to use my USB devices with the new Zorin 6 distribution.
I'm sure there must have been a number of things improved in the "upgrade,' but the ones things that really mattered to me were not. In fact the user experience for me was worse than with Zorin 5. I was left with no choice but to downgrade back to Zorin 5 or look for another alternative. I was very disappointed.
12 • Loosing main menu (by yo on 2012-07-09 14:25:48 GMT from Spain)
@8 You can install another small dock anywhere, including the main menu applet, to avoid to loose, accidentally, the main menu from the 'main' dock
13 • Java not opening JNLP anymore in Linux. (by Jim on 2012-07-09 15:44:18 GMT from United States)
I used to be able to open JNLP files in Linux. Now I can only open them in Windows. What happened? Did Linux change or did Java or both?
14 • Free Software Foundation and secure boot (by M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on 2012-07-09 15:46:46 GMT from United States)
The Free Software Foundation has zero leverage to effect change in this matter. Secure boot / UEFI is strictly a corporate matter at this point, and the last thing Red Hat, SUSE, Canonical and the other corporations with heavy investments in Linux need right now is a religious war or a licensing fight in the courts.
Nobody *asked* the FSF for their opinion! What the Linux business needs now are not opinions but practical solutions. And those only come via win-win business negotiations that will stand up in international courts, not by petitions, complaints, concern trolls and other dubious tactics.
15 • My 2 cents about Zorin OS (by TobiSGD on 2012-07-09 15:48:38 GMT from Germany)
In my eyes, Zorin OS can be good but also damaging to the Linux community.
1. The good thing: If someone is fully aware that Linux is not Windows then Zorin can be a good system to use, because mimicking the look of Windows may make the learning phase easier. When people now enough about Linux they may stay with Zorin or change to a different distribution or DE to try something different. This is a good thing.
2. The bad thing: If someone is not fully aware that Linux is not Windows. Those people see an OS that tries to look like Windows, but doesn't behave like Windows. They probably will have difficulties to run their favorite Windows software on it (Wine doesn't run anything). They will try to install drivers with the CDs from their manufacturers. They will be annoyed by being asked for a password. And thousand other things that are different to Windows. But they still see a Windows-like GUI and for them the GUI is the OS. For them, Linux will be a cheap clone of Windows that doesn't really work. And they will say so, driving other people away from giving Linux a chance.
For those people a radical change, like from Windows 7 to Unity, might be better than a distro mimicking their old OS.
16 • Ubuntu 12.04.L.T.S.64 Bit Gnome (by Barry on 2012-07-09 16:09:12 GMT from Australia)
A friend from a local computer club,recommend i try a Linux distro,(he uses Mandriva for many years i believe). So for about 4- 5 years or so i have been learning and Running Ubuntu,now with 12.04 L.T.S. is the best so far and very happy with this version,and will keep going with Ubuntu,however,i also like Fedora,tried a couple of versions,but for now staying with Ubuntu.I also have Windows 7 H/P i only use on occasions.After buying a couple of books on Linux,has also been helpful to better understand how different it is, i now recommend to others to also try a Linux Distro.
Cheers.
Barry
17 • broken petition (by Mike Lewis on 2012-07-09 16:36:44 GMT from United States)
The petition link for secure boot (Ubuntu article) took me to a page asking name & email, but clicking submit failed so I can't help, nor can anyone else that wants to sign.
18 • Zorin OS (by vaithy on 2012-07-09 16:58:33 GMT from India)
Father! here is this sinner's confession...after five years of constant campaigning to convert many users into Linux, which was a utter falure ( last time my converts , dozen of them were using PCLinux OS-2010).. Then Zorin happened..Now a days whenever my friends are asking me to repair the windows infected computers, I give them dual booting...( for five years only 8 users are converted to Linux, but in six months i convert 20 users, all with Zorin)
But the real crime is, my friends are yet to aware they are using Linux.. I made them believe that i give them ''virus less Windows' Most of them technically illiterate, using computer only for browsing the INTERNET and FaceBook, they are already familiar with Firefox..with wine i made some of windows applications(including office-2003) so they don't know any difference..I know, I am wrong.. but so far my friends are happy, that is what is matter to me..
forgive me father! Amen!
vaithy
19 • @17, broken petition (by TobiSGD on 2012-07-09 17:21:04 GMT from Germany)
Sadly, this is a known issue with this petition and happened to me also when I signed some time ago. I just kept trying twice a day, suddenly it worked.
Sad thing that the FSF is not able to find the bug in their own petition system.
20 • Zorin and converting Windows users (by claudecat on 2012-07-09 17:38:59 GMT from United States)
First off, Zorin works quite well and indeed acts like Windows in many ways that might ease the transition for a linux newcomer. That said, I never expect to convert someone to linux without rather extensive explanations regarding the basic difference in how things like installing and upgrading software are done, as well as the names of various applications.
I find that folks that are rather basic computer users with limited knowledge of Windows are easier to transition to linux, as there is less to unlearn. It's very difficult to convert the Windows "power-user" or those that rely on proprietary software like Office or Photoshop.
Just installing Zorin or any linux for a Windows user is only the first step - it takes some patience for both the potential user and the linux advocate doing the install, but can be rewarding for both if done with care.
21 • Secure Boot (by GrahamC on 2012-07-09 18:46:55 GMT from United Kingdom)
@14 Ed Borasky, quote:
{What the Linux business needs now are not opinions but practical solutions. And those only come via win-win business negotiations that will stand up in international courts, not by petitions, complaints, concern trolls and other dubious tactics.} Unquote
Thanks for the opinion from a computer user from the USA, Ed, but some of us may beg to differ. Please do not call people "trolls" just because they hold an opinion that differs from yours.
Secure boot is a way to prevent boot-time malware attacking a system but how necessary it is becomes the first question, the second one being the question of American domination over the software market, usually by dubious and devious tactics involving so-called "Intellectual property rights". It may be up to European manufacturers to produce computers with the option to turn off secure boot. We shall have to wait and see how this develops.
Secure boot with the likelihood of Linux users, even in Europe or other countries far from the USA, having to use a key linked to the American corporation Microsoft, with its history of anti-competitive practices, is a travesty of the ideals of free trade and competition. There have been suggestions that pressure from the Americans may be put on hardware manufacturers to produce computers only with secure boot in place. There are others here more knowledgeable than I am who will be able to give further information on this subject but for me, that is unacceptable.
I haven't used any Microsoft software for 8 years now as Linux can do everything that proprietary software does, and I have no intention of asking for a key to boot my own computer from people involved in anti-competitive practices If the key was produced by the Free Software Foundation there would be no problem. Anyway, let's see what voices in Europe and the rest of the world have to say too.
22 • RE: 21 • Secure Boot (by W. Gates on 2012-07-09 19:21:04 GMT from United States)
"...as Linux can do everything that proprietary software does..."
To that point, does anyone know if the 'record and show changes' feature of LibreOffice Writer can work seamlessly with Microsoft Word's track changes? In other words, if I'm a copy editor and a client gives me a Word file with instructions to record my edits using track changes, can I do the work in Writer, save the 'tracked' changes, and send back to the client as a .doc file?
23 • @11: ccsrgv: Mouse Pointer (by Marco on 2012-07-09 19:32:42 GMT from United States)
I know Kubuntu (12.10, daily build) has six mouse cursor themes (including Contrast Large, which might be suited for somebody with eyesight issues) installed by default, and you can get many more.
24 • @11: ccsrgv: Mouse Pointer (by Marco on 2012-07-09 19:40:31 GMT from United States)
I had to switch Virtual Machines to confirm, but I think an even better mouse pointer for somebody with eyesight issues comes out of the box with openSUSE 12.1 KDE: Oxygen Yellow Big.
25 • #17 petition (by jack on 2012-07-09 20:38:06 GMT from Canada)
It worked for me
I received a confirmation
26 • Mouse cursors vs. Compiz (by eco2geek on 2012-07-09 21:57:27 GMT from United States)
@11: "The ability to manipulate the mouse pointer was withdrawn..."
On all the Ubuntu-based distros I've tried that were running Compiz as their UI's window manager (in other words, Unity and Gnome Classic + effects), the mouse cursor's stuck on "DMZ White". It's not a big deal to me, even though there are mouse cursor themes I like better, so I've never investigated further. It may be a caused by Compiz, because once you disable Compiz, you can change the cursor theme to whatever you like (using, for example, a utility like gnome-tweak-tool, Ubuntu Tweak, Unsettings; etc.).
In any case, if you want fine-grained control over what your mouse cursor looks like and how big it is, and want desktop effects, try KDE (without Compiz, of course!).
27 • @silent (by Amey Miey on 2012-07-09 22:25:50 GMT from Serbia)
Re: #3 by silent
I think sergey talking about recent changes in Ubuntu. Word "превращается" means "become". I guess sergey said: "Ubuntu turning in nothing" or "Ubuntu becomes nothing".
28 • @21, Secure Boot (by TobiSGD on 2012-07-10 02:00:19 GMT from Germany)
There are many misconceptions about Secure Boot around, mostly spread by uninformed bloggers writing FUD to get page hits.
It may sound somewhat weird, but if you want to be able to disable Secure Boot or to use it with your own custom (not bought from Verisign) keys the best thing you can do (at least for x86 hardware) is to buy hardware that has the Windows 8 logo.
If the manufacturers want to get the Windows 8 logo for their x86 hardware they have to implement an option to disable Secure Boot and the possibility for the end user to add his own custom keys. Sounds ironic, but at least in this version of their logo program they are forcing the manufacturers to not lock other systems out.
Of course they don't do that for Linux/BSD/whatever users, they do it for their larger customers, which often have an option for OS downgrading. When they have licenses for Windows 8 they have the option to use Windows 7 instead. And Microsoft don't want to lock out these customers from using the unsigned Windows 7.
This may change with Windows 9, but all we can do is wait and see.
29 • Re: Secure Boot (by Thomas Mueller on 2012-07-10 02:32:52 GMT from United States)
One possible way around the issue of secure boot is to build your computer from parts: "teach a person to fish" as opposed to "giving a person a fish". That way, if anything goes bad, or you want to add a part, one who built the computer from parts has the advantage over one who bought a preconfigured computer. I built my new computer in June 2011, including an MSI motherboard with USB 3.0 and UEFI, but that was before secure boot became big news. My thought is that the best thing to do with secure boot is disable it.
30 • Linux Lifer (by Bill on 2012-07-10 02:35:56 GMT from United States)
A few years ago, I had a nice computer with Windows XP Pro on it. I had Wincustomize and was happy changing my widow decorations almost daily. But one day I had a hard drive failure and bought a new one with a new 17" monitor. Once I got home all excited, I got the blue screen of death (not the first) and Windows accused me of stealing the software. I called Microsoft read them a looong list of numbers and they gave me back an even looonger list so that I could use the software I PAID FOR on my computer. That was the last straw.
Next week at Walmart I saw a box with a RED HAT on it and I bought it and read up on dual booting. Soon I was learning about RPM's and enjoying TUX RACER with my wife.
But I was also trying to finish getting my degree at the university and just out of laziness I went back to my OFFICE software.
2 years ago, as Windows VISTA was acting up, Norton was getting HUGE and KASPERSKY not much better, I remembered the PENGUIN and turned to GOOGLE with a "Best Linux" search. This brought up Ubuntu, and I promptly installed HARDY 8.04 on my desktop and laptop and found I was amazed at the progress Linux had made it was fantastic.
Next I found DISTROWATCH and learned to use VIRTUALBOX and VMWARE and triple boot. :-)
Just when I was in love with Compiz and Emerald and beryl themes, my favorite Ubuntu distro took all that away and offered some kind of Unity junk, (my opinion).
But thank goodness I found two answers. 1. I took Ubuntu Server 10.04 and added Gnome 2 AND I tweaked Xubuntu 12.04 to look EXACTLY like Gnome 2, with Compiz and Emerald themes, so I can play until 2015 at the least.
Unless the entire Linux community goes to having only Unity or Gnome 3, I will not return to a WINDOWS 8, 9, 10, ad ifinitum.
Linux ROCKS for me and i do a lot of audio work on my Linux OS including taking Reel to Reel tapes and converting them to mp3's.
Take care.
31 • Re: 4 • Virtual PDF Printer - included in most distro's/firefox (by Thomas Mueller on 2012-07-10 02:48:08 GMT from United States)
Quoting:
Most distros have firefox which has a virtual pdf printer included.
i.e print -> print to file -> pdf (end of quote)
One way this might fail is if the web site uses an external (java or other) application of their own to print: coupon to print is covered by the words "Click to print".
Print -> print to file in Mozilla Firefox or Seamonkey failed with an error message.
Maybe CUPS-PDF would fool the application into thinking the virtual printer is a real printer? I intend to try, at least for FreeBSD with the ports collection.
It might also be possible to save the image by right-clicking and saving to a graphic file which might be converted to a PDF but would still show the words, Click to print..
32 • Zorin OS 6 (by Walt Frampus-Frye on 2012-07-10 04:31:50 GMT from United States)
I am a long time Linux user (from mid 1990's) and decided to give Zorin a try yesterday for the first time. I think I have tried every major linux distro throughout the years and kept Suse on my main computer for years. Zorin kind of reminds me of what Xandros looked like and I loved that distro and was sorry to see it go. I want a linux distro that just works. I do not want to do any major tweaking anymore. I have come to realize that most new distros come with so much crap installed that most people will not use that just takes up space and slows down the computer. Zorin is simple and good looking, found all of my hardware and once I installed a couple of drivers ran smoothly. I may actually keep this one on my main computer. Keep up the good work Zorin Team!!!
33 • Starting days (by Romane on 2012-07-10 05:36:31 GMT from Australia)
Interesting in how many ways we came to Linux. My first experience was at College doing programming back in the early 90's, and the system was Unix. Then I found minix, and played with it a bit. Primary OS was still Windows.
Over the years, tried first Red Hat, and a few years later Suse, and also Mandrake but not happy that I could do what I wanted (in hindsight, confidence?) so stayed Windows. Also tried early Ubuntu, and didn't like the looks. First serious "play" with Linux came with Suse 9, where started learning about dual boot. Then got into Mepis, loved it, found mysel;f spending mnore and more time in it. Decided after a couple of years to try Debian itself (lenny was in testing at the time, if memory serves me), was impressed and haven't looked back since. About the time Lenny went stable, I went full-time Linux. Like @1 said, only use Windows now when it is the only option. Now lets see, last time I needed to use Windows was (um, scratching head, screw up face, thinking hard...) must be a cupla years now :)
34 • #2 (by john on 2012-07-10 07:47:27 GMT from United Kingdom)
#2 Что вы говорите! Убунту лучше всех. Может быть вы не понимаете систему.
35 • why Linux (by lott on 2012-07-10 08:28:23 GMT from Colombia)
I start in 1986 with my Amstrad PC1512 and played with Dos, and it was cat's meow.
Then came 3.2 then win 95 and I all ready had some experience programing, and was tire of paying to much for manufacture PC's.
So I decided to build my own PC, I ordered all my new top of the line components.
ordered 98 SE plus and was planning on installing my BSD 4.1 as a dual boot but guess what.
There where no drivers support for my components in windows.
Spent 2 week talking to windows support for nothing, and $254.00 in support cost.
I went to the computer store to see if there was a new version of BSD or something.
Nothing so I went on line look up OS, and found Mandrake 8.1.
for less then what i paid for windows, plus 2 more update if I preorder the release.
A few weeks went by then I got it I took a couple hours reading the books and looking at the CD'S&DVD.
I came to find out that it can with not only a OS, but a desktop and Server set up.
I loaded it up and my sound card worked for the first time in weeks, and my printer and video card.
Well to make this short, ever since then I have built my own PC.
The first thing that goes in is LINUX, then if everything works well I will install windows for a dual boot.
And since then I have been a distro hopper, there is only one use for windows in my PC, games.
And soon not even that, so why Linux? No crashes, no virus, no more over head cost to maintain.
Windows maintenance in a years time was $179.00 and it still crashes.
I am still on windows XP till the games are no longer supported.
I am currently running UE 2.6.6 and 3.4 on this system.
And currently looking for something like UE but with out unity.
Mint is fine but lacks more options that UE has, yes I have gotten spoiled by Ultimate Edition.
36 • Zorin OS (by Jymm on 2012-07-10 10:17:35 GMT from United States)
I am one of those refugees from Windows. Personally I like Zorin. I like the look and feel, and the speed. I do know it is not windows. While still pretty new to Linux I had toyed with Xandros years ago and PC Linux more recently. I know Zorin is not windows. Yet I am not interested in Windows 8, so need an alternative. I still have a Win 7 computer also.
I see the greatest problem with converting from Windows to Linux as the terminal. I have used Windows since "95" and not need to use a terminal. As close as I got was F-disk for partitioning and re-installation.
I had to use the terminal right away in Zorin, to get root privileges for certain things I needed to do and again when a Z-swap enabler update screwed up my system so I could not update or download any packages. Now while I am not a computer expert, I fix Windows for friends and families and install my own hardware. I think either of these problems would have sent most windows users right back to windows.
I would still recommend Zorin to a newbie. It is easy to install, and your hardware and things like codec work right away. The forum group is very helpful, unlike some other forums I have read. I was able to run what windows programs I wanted between Wine and Play on Linux.
37 • #27 (by silent on 2012-07-10 10:22:47 GMT from Europe)
Yes, literally means: "Guys, what do you do with Ubuntu, it becomes/ turns into/converts to (e.g. превращение Ubuntu в MacOS-X за 5 минут) nothing?" A bit difficult to understand what he meant by that. It could be that the system freezes or may be he does not like the Unity interface. In any case, using Xubuntu or Bodhi can be a solution.
38 • Secure Boot: FSF again shoots itself in the foot (by whs001 on 2012-07-10 15:57:33 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the news item on Secure Boot. I went to the Free Software Foundation web site thinking that I might join in their petition, but I found that it contains this stupid sentence: "We commit that we will neither purchase nor recommend computers that strip users of this critical freedom." First of all, why does an organization that is trying to gather broad public support for their viewpoint think that they should add a "commitment" (or really a threat) to the statement of that viewpoint? Second, even for someone who agrees in principle with the threatened action, isn't there a plausible scenario in which (a) "secure boot" with no option for the user to disable it becomes standard so that you can't buy a PC or a motherboard without it, and (b) hackers figure out a work-around so that users who want to disable it can do so even though the systems are not intended to allow that? What then becomes of the asinine pledge not to buy a computer that implements secure boot without a built-in way to disable it?
39 • mouse cursors... (by Edna Crabapple on 2012-07-10 16:29:36 GMT from United States)
I use Ubuntu 10.04, Xubuntu 12.04, and Mint 11.
I use a cursor called "redglass" on all of them. It's bright red with a black outline, and it's translucent.
I have always found this one to be really easy to see, and it scales in all the OS's I use.
A cursor that's too small and hard to see that can't be changed is pretty useless AFAIC.
40 • PIEPIX - go home!! (by lonestar on 2012-07-10 17:59:08 GMT from United States)
Obviously someone has found a way to screw up the pagehits!
PIEPIX ?! *lol* hasn't been any action on their site for at least a year, and before that - 2009 was about the last time.
41 • Zealot whitepaper (by Fewt on 2012-07-10 18:16:54 GMT from United States)
I have no interest in supporting the FSF, they seem like angry childish zealots and don't deserve anyone's respect or support. Their whitepaper contains gems like:
>Microsoft may be worried about malware written to take over Windows machines, but we view Windows itself as malware and want to keep it away from our machines.
I don't agree with this, I believe we should remain respectful of our competition otherwise we just look like angry whiny children.
Lets stop mocking our competition with childish language, we'll all be better for it.
Until the FSF begins to show respect, they won't have mine. I can't sign their petition.
42 • PIEPIX/PAIPIX (by lonestar on 2012-07-10 18:20:35 GMT from United States)
Sorry - got muddled up/fingers faster than brain ... it should (of course) be 'PAIPIX'
43 • ubuntu (by Mac on 2012-07-10 20:16:54 GMT from United States)
Ubuntu might not be my cup of tea but I use kubuntu and that is where it comes from. Can't understand why everyone that has to do with the code of linux can't have our honest thanks for there hard work and time. I am a kde fanboy but like to think that I can still understand that it is not for everyone.
Have fun
Mack
44 • Will Ubuntu Support Older PC's in the Future? (by RO on 2012-07-10 22:06:04 GMT from United States)
They seem to "easing" out of that supposed advantage of Linux over Windows more and more with each release. If Canonical drops GRUB2 (I still try to keep a GRUB 0.97 boot partition alive to make my multiboots easier to manage, but it gets "sidelined" by ever sneakier installers), how will older PC's without UEFI be dealt with? Not at all?
45 • Window Borders? (by RO on 2012-07-10 22:21:49 GMT from United States)
The mouse cursor discussion reminded me of an issue I have been having for some time now with most DE/WM windows - their lack of a discernible border to grab easily (with the mouse cursor) for resizing. That has been the one MS Windows GUI advantage for me, although now the MS Office 2007 interface (including the screen-gobbling "Ribbon") seems to be taking over in the MS GUI environment, and "catching up" to Linux DE's and WM's propensity to challenge user control in that fiendish new way. I have spent so much time trying to position the cursor so that elusive double-headed arrow will stay put long enough for me to click and drag the border. Who needs hand-eye coordination video games with challenges like that built into the basic interface?
Does anyone know of a mainstream Desktop Environment (DE) and/or Window Manager (WM) that has noticeable borders (resizeable even?) that can help folks like me with fine-motor control hand issues?
Oh, and, please, none of that silliness with bottom corners being the only resizing hooks of any use - these "modern" widescreen displays with their lack of vertical pixels often push those down out of reach (often for configuration windows with "OK" and "Cancel" buttons at the bottom that can only be used by dead reckoning use of the tab,enter keys sequence - arrggghhh!)
TIA
46 • Why Linux (by mandog on 2012-07-10 22:27:09 GMT from United Kingdom)
I started with win95 It used to freeze on boot up I had a 3.5gb hardrive I was told that was all I would ever need. win98 was next it was a revelation as it could supposedly save work when it froze but never did. in 2001 I got a business vervion of XP and a 120gb HD. I was in MS heaven then Ms started a inconsistency campaign with Adobe, photo-shop was constantly crashing. By 2006 I was at the end of my patience. Ubuntu/ Mandriver/Suse were becoming very popular at that time so I went the whole hog and installed Archlinux, I really did not know what to do with it once installed. So next to it went Suse that was even harder and I was called all manner of names on the forums. So then came Dapper very dull and bland but the forums were great, Gradually I started to master Archlinux and removed Ubuntu to many niggles like sound not working. I still try Ubuntu/Mint and a few other distros but they just don't cut the mustard for me. As for Ms win 7 its on the laptop gets booted once a month to update it is so slow compared to Linux Do I miss it not at all. Linux does all I need. Photography, music, short films, are all handled in Linux with ease its my living. I,m in my mid 60s and love Linux.
47 • @45 (by Arkanabar on 2012-07-10 22:38:28 GMT from United States)
Have you looked at gnome-look, kde-look, xfce-look, or box-look atall? Surely somewhere on one of these you can find a set of window decorations that are thick enough for your tastes? Or you could just use openbox and/or lxde, and use alt-right-drag to resize; this is a default behavior, and it turns huge areas of each window into a resizing handle.
48 • @45 - window borders (by claudecat on 2012-07-10 23:35:06 GMT from United States)
KDE borders in most themes are easy enough to work with. You can even grab the "Seven" theme (right from within System Settings - let's see any other DE do that) if you need that always-visible, rubber-bandy, Windows 7-like border. You must be used to gnome-shell, in which, yes, borders are non-existent at times and hard to work with even when present.
Cursors are just as easily dealt with, and this ease of theming is an area in which KDE really shines.
49 • @45 - lack of vertical pixels (by Uncle Slacky on 2012-07-11 10:09:34 GMT from France)
Don't forget that (in most distros) holding down ALT while clicking & holding down your mouse/trackpad button anywhere in the window will allow you to drag the window in any direction.
50 • OS4 12.5 free or not? (by LinuxFreak on 2012-07-11 13:24:01 GMT from Germany)
Has anybody installed OS4 yet? I was able to download it for free from the ibiblio.org link given in the release announcement on the DW homepage, but on the OS4 homepage on http://www.os4online.com/2012/07/os4-125-released.html it says:
[quote]
The cost of the download version is $20.00 USD, for the first week of release the cost of the download edition is reduced to $10.00 a copy.
You can purchase OS4 Workspace 12.5 on a installable USB key for $45.00
You can purchase OS4 Workspace 12.5 with server extensions on a installable USB key for $99.00
we also have a variety of preinstalled systems with OS4 Workspace 12.5 available for purchase.
[/quote]
Did anybody install OS4 12.5 and was charged for the installer (like in Elive) or updates?
51 • @45 - Caveat for Window Borders in KDE (by Ralph on 2012-07-11 16:57:38 GMT from Canada)
KDE by default lacks borders on *maximized* windows, but this is easy enough to rectify. The precise details may vary between KDE versions, but the procedure is roughly this: go to System Settings > Look & Feel > Window Behavior > Moving and click on 'allow moving and resizing of maximized windows'. When you do, maximized windows will suddenly show borders and your cursor can grab anywhere.
52 • OS4 (by linux user on 2012-07-11 17:50:23 GMT from United States)
http://www.os4online.com/2012/06/keeping-os4-free.html
Ok, So now that we are at 12.5 people have asked me about the free version of OS4. So what happens now. Well I had said that at 12.5 I will be charging for OS4 and I would cancel the free version. Well, I have gotten feedback on this and the concensus is not everyone is happy about that. So I have been brain storming on how I could satisfy my users and keep you guys happy. First, PC/OpenSystems LLC is a company. Any company wants to make money whether its through the consulting side or through OS4 and other software that we do. So, here is my compromise. If contributions build up and we make at least $2,000 dollars a month in recurring contributions I will keep OS4 free as a download.
53 • @52 (by linux user on 2012-07-11 17:52:40 GMT from United States)
Intended the above to be a quote.
54 • another reason to not use windows (by david on 2012-07-11 20:57:59 GMT from United States)
Never have like gadgets anyway!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/11/microsoft-advises-nuking-windows-gadgets-after-security-hole/
55 • Windows Sizing - Helpful Responses (by RO on 2012-07-11 21:53:34 GMT from United States)
@47/48/49: Thanks for the tips, y'all!
56 • OS$ (by Barnabyh on 2012-07-11 22:06:08 GMT from United Kingdom)
They must be joking, in a workd of free Linux distributions who's going to pay? It's not that OS4 is so well known and respected that we can't live without it. It's basically a remaster of other people's work, like so many.
57 • Re. another reason not to use windows (by UUUnicorn on 2012-07-11 22:09:59 GMT from United States)
@ 54, david--Noooo!! I LOVE my WeatherBug Windows Gadget on my Windows 7 desktop!
Darn! I need to know what the weather is going to do!
58 • OS4 (by claudecat on 2012-07-11 22:43:04 GMT from United States)
PC/OS was never anything more than a mediocre Ubuntu remix that eventually became dormant. I'd be inclined to think OS4 is/will be the same, and wouldn't dream of paying for it when there are already several such free and worthwhile distros. I especially like Zorin, Deepin, Bodhi and Mint - and even the latest Kubuntu is surprisingly good.
OS4 seems destined to the same fate as eLive - another pay-to-use distro that eventually folded. People just will not pay for something when similar or better alternatives are free. Mint has the right idea - do what you do so well that donations eventually become substantial.
"If contributions build up and we make at least $2,000 dollars a month in recurring contributions I will keep OS4 free as a download." is ridiculous and a recipe for failure for an unproven and largely unoriginal effort.
59 • OS4 (by Rebecca on 2012-07-11 23:16:00 GMT from New Zealand)
@58 - I've just downloaded and run up OS4...... and all I can think of is 'why did I bother?'. Lack of applications - and what's there seems to have been selected randomly. I can't think of an environment - of any kind - where I could ever recommend it. And as for the statement they make about $2000/month.... they're dreaming........ I guess these people are at the level of the lunatics that try rebadging Blender and trying to con people into paying for it.......
60 • OS4 (by TobiSGD on 2012-07-12 01:42:45 GMT from Germany)
"The cost of the download version is $20.00 USD, for the first week of release the cost of the download edition is reduced to $10.00 a copy.
You can purchase OS4 Workspace 12.5 on a installable USB key for $45.00
You can purchase OS4 Workspace 12.5 with server extensions on a installable USB key for $99.00"
That is ridiculous, especially for an Ubuntu respin. I can get RHEL for 49$ a year (or CentOS/Scientific Linux downloads for free) and Slackware for 50$ a release (33$ if I subscribe, download is free), both very mature and stable OSes.
And I don't have to pay 54$ extra just to use it as server.
If I want a commercial Ubuntu respin I can also get Zorin, the Ultimate edition on CD/DVD for 15$ (download 10$)
I really doubt that anyone with a sane mind will pay for that, at least that much.
61 • Best general distro - Mageia 2 (by Dan Walker on 2012-07-12 02:15:21 GMT from United States)
I have recently installed and configured many of the major distro releases and feel Mageia 2 is my favorite... just sayin'.
62 • Best distro ever (by Dimitry on 2012-07-12 06:11:44 GMT from Russian Federation)
Hi everybody
I have tried so many distros - let's see, Ubuntu, Mint, Suse, RH (and derivatives), etc...
Ubuntu USED to be good till Unity came up..... now it is too heavy and inconvenient
Same about Mint - though it was at least graphically more finished
At ast I tried Debian straight, loved it but the only thng was screen resolution - in Debian 6 there is no such thong as X11.conf, so I could not configure.
Then all of a sudden, I found SolusOS made by Ikey Doherty from LMDE team - and my distro-hopping days are over now.
Its worth to give it a try - on my PC with Compiz enabled it uses about 240 mb RAM.
63 • OS4 "The cost of the download version is (by greg on 2012-07-12 11:07:10 GMT from Slovenia)
hmm. i do hope they offer the soruce code for the OS for free under GPL. i mean, while they can sell it they also have to offer the source for free, right?
Since large chunks of system were made by someone else not them i am not exactly sure what they are charging here.
64 • Free source (by Jesse on 2012-07-12 13:23:10 GMT from Canada)
>> "i do hope they offer the soruce code for the OS for free under GPL. i mean, while they can sell it they also have to offer the source for free, right?"
Not exactly. They have to provide the source code to people who have purchased a binary. They don't have to make the source code freely available to everyone. In some instances they can charge a small fee to cover the cost of distributing the source code, if they send it on a DVD, for example. See section 3 of the GPL http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html
65 • @62, Debian (by TobiSGD on 2012-07-12 14:46:36 GMT from Germany)
"in Debian 6 there is no such thong as X11.conf, so I could not configure."
Just create one, it will work.
66 • @8 Misattribution of quote to Jobs (by AliasMarlowe on 2012-07-12 18:39:02 GMT from Finland)
Steve Jobs was just reciting Pablo Picasso's famous saying "Good artists copy; great artists steal", or possibly paraphrasing rather similar sentiments expressed by Igor Stravinsky and T.S. Elliott. See http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Misattributed
67 • An OS4 12.5 Workstation thumbnail review (by eco2geek on 2012-07-14 03:19:38 GMT from United States)
This Xubuntu-based distro features Xfce 4.10. Despite the developer's statements about charging for it, this distro is still freely downloadable from iBiblio. (Suggestion to the developer: not to knock iBiblio, but it's usually very slow. You might need a faster server if you expect people to pay you.) When it starts Xfce, a nag screen comes up asking for a donation to the project. This nag screen is easily disabled, since it's a startup application.
OS4 comes with a purple ("grape") theme and a customized icon set. Besides the usual set of Xfce applications, it does have some applications that you don't see every day in a lightweight Linux distro, such as Recoll (which indexes documents in your home directory); Blender; Clam antivirus; Worker (a dual-pane file manager); and Scribus. Instead of Ubuntu's software center, it uses PackageKit (the same utility Fedora uses) as its GUI for installing and uninstalling software. AbiWord is included for word processing. The Midori and Google Chrome (not Chromium) web browsers are included.
Apparently the developer is also involved in selling computers, although the links to his wares bring up PDF documents rather than web pages. (Note to developer: If you say you don't pre-install Windows, why does one of your two workstation offerings say it comes with Windows 7?) His offerings looked over-priced.
If you want to find out where to find (and I quote) "cheap online wholesale jordan shoes, nike, and brands clothing", you can do so in the OS4 user forums. (Note to developer: You might want to clean out the spam in your user forums.)
In conclusion, the time I spent with OS4 did not quite make me enthusiastic enough to make a donation.
68 • @67: I forgot to mention the most important part... (by eco2geek on 2012-07-14 07:36:17 GMT from United States)
...the installer doesn't work. If you do want it to work, you'll have to manually install a front end (i.e. a GUI for the installer), such as "ubiquity-frontend-gtk".
(Note to developer: In addition to the lovely GUI you provided for making donations, you may wish to also include a GUI for actually installing the system to one's hard drive. Priorities, priorities. :-)
69 • gmx webmail - no use to man or beast? (by gnomic on 2012-07-14 12:43:44 GMT from New Zealand)
Perhaps straying off topic here - but I am using sundry Linux live CDs in this exercise. The task is getting mail from the reasonably prominent free webmail provider trading as gmx. All was good (aside from the sluggish interface) for the past year or so until the last month or so when increasingly it became impossible to log on with some twaddle about a technical problem gmx was trying to fix or perhaps empty the browser cache - to no effect alas. Anybody seen similar? Is this crowd going under, like the late unlamented myrealbox of Novell ill repute, or are they just terminally incompetent?
70 • Thunderbird (by anduzzu on 2012-07-14 18:58:28 GMT from Romania)
Which mail client will replace Thunderbird in Ubuntu next releases?
71 • UEFI and the FSF saga (by J. Matheus on 2012-07-14 20:11:15 GMT from Brazil)
And so the Free Software Foundation is wanting people to sign their petition
urging hardware makers to implement Secure Boot "in a way that allows
free software operating systems to be installed".
Well, don't worry about the "Unified Extensible Firmware Interface".
Just buy a server motherboard "certified for Red Hat Enterprise Linux",
and then switch to either Scientific Linux or CentOS (unless you are
crazy enough to keep using Ubuntu... :)
As I have been told, that type of motherboard (for Xeon CPUs) will never
have UEFI, only traditional BIOS. If it's true, I think my next computer
will not have another sucky desktop motherboard!
72 • Parted Magic (by Paul B on 2012-07-14 23:21:05 GMT from United States)
This release has a problem. It wanders off into neverland at"Starting LVM..."
It is probably a simple fix, but how would we know? Oops!
73 • Thuderbird (by Anonymous Coward on 2012-07-15 15:18:54 GMT from Spain)
Anduzzu wrote:
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Which mail client will replace Thunderbird in Ubuntu next releases?
---------------------------------
Thunderbird needs no replacement, as it has not been killed. It has been basically turned into "maintenance mode" and only bugfixes will be implemented in the future in the main branch.
I think there are also plans to release a kind of community version, so there might be a branch where active development could take place.
Don't take my word for it, just investigate. I use claws-mail, so my knowledge about Thunderbird's policy is just circumstantial.
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