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1 • Debian-based KDE distros (by BEN on 2012-06-25 10:18:16 GMT from Spain)
Hi,
do you have any idea on how the three distributions Kubuntu, Linux Mint KDE Edition and Netrunner differentiate one from each other? They all seem rather closely related and I can't really determine on which horse to bet.
Maybe an interesting article for future editions?
Thanks
Beni
2 • Re: #1 (by d00m3d on 2012-06-25 11:21:41 GMT from Hong Kong)
Before you bet, you should really study and understand which distro is Debian-based.
3 • "...unless they have some hardware that needs manual configuration" (by squashie on 2012-06-25 11:25:28 GMT from Satellite Provider)
Susan's opinions and reviews hold high regard in this household. She highlights just one of the stings in the proverbial tail of any Gentoo variant. There will always be a (small?) niche for ubergeeks; Gentoo scores highly in that regard. For mere mortals, abandon hope all who tangle therein. The world has moved on. Mint, in particular, has virtually no hang-ups about compiling, Flash, 'non-free', codecs and other restrictive practices, errr, practiced by ill-advised politicians, geeks, and the old ivory-tower brigade. But even they must recognise that Android on smart phones is already displacing the 'brick-under-the-desk'. The Green Lobby must rejoice at all that energy saving!
As for the Zorin and a few other recent releases - if you can't say it in CD-space (<=700Mb), perhaps better not at all? A well-endowed and maintained package manager obviates the need to impose a pre-determined (personalised?) bloated choice on unsuspecting users. Indeed, perhaps in that context, all anyone needs is a compact distro (or smart mobile)?! Why not try the new beta of Fatdog - it's 64bit, too.
And one for Lazslo: please can you add in the OED so that the red underlinings go away!
4 • debian based (by david on 2012-06-25 11:27:51 GMT from United States)
@2,
maybe you should, since all three are debian based.
5 • @2, What? (by Eddie on 2012-06-25 11:40:02 GMT from United States)
@1, All three distros are based on Ubuntu and thus Debian. You just need to study more on these three distros.
@2, Ubuntu, Debian. That's the order listed. Your comment made no sense.
6 • @3 nonsense (by Anonymous coward on 2012-06-25 12:08:16 GMT from France)
@3 You confuse a lot of different things. Android is for smartphones and tablets. It is displacing S40 in that task. It is not a replacement for desktop computers. Mint is not a replacement for Gentoo either.
7 • 2 greats distros (by Ubuntu-fanboy on 2012-06-25 12:47:44 GMT from France)
I want to mention two majors distros:
- Mix-220701-untu,
- Remix-325841-untu.
they are the same as ubuntu 12.04 but with wallpaper representing three monkeys for the first remix and three frogs for the second.
that's my only change :-(.
I hope it's not my last "remix of ubuntu"
ps: Just sarcasm.
8 • @3 - OED (by Pearson on 2012-06-25 13:11:11 GMT from United States)
As far as I know, Distrowatch doesn't provide a dictionary. The red "underlings" (I presume you mean underlines -- although I led underlings better!) are a feature of your browser's spell check. In Firefox, I had to not only enable spell check, but also had to explicitly select the language.
9 • re:3 (by WoodCAT on 2012-06-25 13:42:51 GMT from Canada)
I'm not sure what are you trying to say. Are you against progress?
"Android on smart phones is already displacing the 'brick-under-the-desk'" I'd like to see somebody get his work done edit photos or browse for more than 30 min. on 4inch screen :-)
I'm also glad distros are switching from using CD image in favour of DVDs since DVD disks are cheaper now.
And "abandon hope all who tangle therein", "old ivory-tower brigade", "The Green Lobby" What??? Are those movie titles? Seriously.
10 • Mix-220701-untu (by Mix-220701-untu lover on 2012-06-25 13:47:49 GMT from United States)
I urge everyone to test Mix-220701-untu. I was skeptical at first but I decided to test it and this distro really stands out. Everything works out of the box. No more manual configurtion. Even my obscuyre processor (intel Core i7) was recognised automatically and properly configured! And I didn't have to compile my kernel. This distro is fantastic.
11 • rejoinders (by squashie on 2012-06-25 14:24:08 GMT from Satellite Provider)
No.6. Who is confused? Not me. Your English is excellent, just the comprehension to master now.
No.8. Can't read, can't spell.? Deleted US in my language lists. Rarely use Firefox.
No.9. Niche player? Cheaper DVDs doesn't make them good. Think of all that space and precious metal coating you are wasting. Still using Gentoo? You're entitled, but don't try to drag everyone else into unnecessary compiling. Serious experimentalists are following the RaspberryPi & co. trail. Let the gurus get back to assembler, learn what it's all about and really make some progress! Squeeze an OS onto a FD? If a Russian can, why not others?
Over and out (Lazslo will delight.).
12 • Sabayon 32-bit with PAE by default? (by Mike on 2012-06-25 14:26:50 GMT from Netherlands)
Not a good idea! I have this nice laptop with a P4 mobile processor that can run a modern distro with a light DE, but does not know how to handle PAE. If PAE is offered, give it as an option, not as the default!
13 • Sabayon 9 (by Just some guy on 2012-06-25 14:28:41 GMT from Anonymous Proxy)
'Is Linux ready for the desktop?' has been a popular topic for authors for the past ten years or so.
With the new Sabayon 9 KDE, I think the answer is "yes." Scale down KDE's overdone space-stealing graphics, turn off the distracting special effects, revert to the classic menu, remove a few useless options from the menu bar, and I think we at last have a proper and good-looking desktop operating system.
14 • Sabayon and Star Wars. (by Eddie on 2012-06-25 16:01:25 GMT from United States)
@13, "Scale down KDE's overdone space-stealing graphics, turn off the distracting special effects, revert to the classic menu, remove a few useless options from the menu bar," and you know what we have? Windows 98,
@3 & 11, Yoda, is that you?
15 • Mint V. Sabayon (by mz on 2012-06-25 18:10:16 GMT from United States)
@3/11
Mint is great and all, but Sabayon offers something different for a different target user. You could go LMDE to get a rolling Mint, but it looks like the updates aren't near as fast with LMDE. I also saw a review that claimed it was easy to set up the ZFS file system on Sabayon, which would certainly have advantages for some users. Sabayon seems like a really neat distro, although Mint, Ubuntu, and others do have more user friendly and explorable package managers. If you can put up with the slow updates & the installer LMDE is great, but if you can put up with the search only package manager & a slight power user focus Sabayon looks like the winner. Any competent user willing to learn need not abandon all hope, they need only to consider their choices wisely.
16 • Auto mounting network shares (by bodhi.zazen on 2012-06-25 20:26:33 GMT from United States)
Although your fstab enteries are spot on, mounting your network shares this way will slow down the boot process.
IMO you have 2 better options - autofs and systemd
autofs is older but available on most distros. Autofs then mounts network shares on demand.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Autofs
systemd provides similar functionality (if you are using systemd).
Check the systemd syntax with your distro ;)
The advantage of systemd (over autofs) is that it is very easy to configure, simply add the option to fstab
http://www.happyassassin.net/2011/05/12/cute-systemd-trick-of-the-day-auto-mounting-remote-shares/
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Automount
17 • Auto mounting network shares (by starbuck on 2012-06-25 21:18:47 GMT from Germany)
Speaking of Netrunner release and network shares, it's a coincidence that Netrunner 4.2 also provides a new way to easily and permanently mount NAS drives with samba-mounter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i728rEKCPzE
18 • Debian-based KDE distro (by Darkman on 2012-06-25 21:44:13 GMT from United States)
From personal experience, one of the better Debian-based KDE distros is Mepis. Development seems to have gone into hiberation lately, but the latest version available is still quite good. I've used it off and on for years and it's still on two of my boxes. I can easily do things with it that require a lot of effort with other more popular distros.
19 • @3- maybe for some people, but... (by Alan on 2012-06-25 23:12:38 GMT from United States)
I'm not a trog or an uber; just a hobbyist and user. I own an Android phone (2.2.1) and a tablet (4.0.3) as well as several ''brick-under-the-desk'' machines. While I enjoy my Android devices, there is no way I would give up my desktop for high-speed web browsing, spreadsheets, word processing, diagramming, database work, or applying for a job. An Android doesn't cut it for me. You may be willing to throw out your "brick", but many others are not. Note I haven't even mentioned gaming, coding, video & audio manipulators (a lot of non-ubers there).
20 • re 14 (by Woody Oaks on 2012-06-25 23:33:19 GMT from United States)
Microsoft's GUI was a knockoff of Apple's GUI, and Steve Jobs got that idea from the Unix computers he saw at PARC, so don't think that there is anything "unUNIXy" about an efficient and functional window manager - quite the opposite: Computers should exist for the purpose of running applications and GUIs for the purpose of facilitating those processes and not just to be cute. LXDE, for example, does not waste hardware resources or the operator's attention; it helps the operator accomplish his tasks at hand. As for Windows 98, it didn't do much of anything properly - all too often it failed even to operate itself.
21 • @20 (by mz on 2012-06-26 00:33:40 GMT from United States)
I think that there is value added in everything depending on the situation and who you ask. LXDE is great for low end hardware, but if I have 6GB of RAM and a quad core processor then why on earth would I insist on a DE designed to run on single core machines with under 256 MB of RAM? You could argue various points, and I'll admit there are specific situations where I do run LXDE on all my machines, but for the vast majority of computing KDE is a thoroughly better experience for me. Aside from glitches caused by composting Window Managers running games, I see no reason to limit most of my hardware to a low resource desktop & I don't think many others do either. I'm a computer enthusiast and I want a little flash & style on my desktop, and if you have the hardware resources why not? Choice is good, & if you want loads of customization options or desktop effects built in then the recent KDE 4 releases are a great choice for machines with enough RAM.
22 • Sabayon and Rigo (by claudecat on 2012-06-26 01:18:44 GMT from United States)
While I like Sabayon as a distro, and it really has become more stable and less bloated over the last few releases, the package management is still a sore point. Sulfur was buggy and dog-slow, but at least one could browse available applications, though the hierarchy was (and is still) rather arcane. Rigo removes that functionality entirely. It's basically a text field into which one types the name of the package one wants - a far cry from the user friendliness of Software Center or the power of Synaptic. Even from the command line, equo is much slower than pacman/yum/apt-get, etc.
I know that Sabayon isn't necessarily aimed at new linux users, and maybe the Gentoo underpinnings won't let this happen, but it would really be nice if they could streamline the process of updating the system. It shouldn't take literally 3-4 times as long as on almost all other linux variants!
Oh well, at least they have removed the sniping at Debian stable from the install slide show...
BTW, nice overview by Susan - I wish it could have been a more in-depth review, but it's always nice to read her writing.
23 • @3 red underlinings spell checker (by Thomas Mueller on 2012-06-26 02:39:16 GMT from United States)
Running Linux and getting Mozilla Seamonkey and Firefox updates from their web sites, I get red wavy/zigzag underlinings with Seamonkey but not Firefox. Some of those underlinings are comical, as with USB, login, SMTP and even Seamonkey: Seamonkey doesn't even recognize its name! Seamonkey once crashed and wouldn't restart; I the downloaded and installed the latest Firefox, which ran. I was also successful, several days later, downloading and installing a later version of SeaMonkey (2.10.1).
24 • re 21 (by Woody Oaks on 2012-06-26 02:57:57 GMT from United States)
My AMD 4800 with 4GB of RAM is hardly a slouch, but KDE's four-series is a nuisance for me on any machine, and that Gnome-thing that shipped with Fedora 17 warrants some sort of adjective that has not yet been invented.
25 • Sabayon (by Thing on 2012-06-26 04:31:53 GMT from United States)
I like Sabayon a lot, but don't run it for a couple reasons. If the team could fix these, I would probably run it as my day-to-day distro.
I like the fact that they are not shy about installing non-free stuff from the beginning, Few distros do this. Its just about the only distro I've found lately that includes the nvidia driver on the live cd. Generally, it seems pretty stable. And thankfully, they got rid of that song at the beginning.
As most have already mentioned, what they really need to concentrate on now are 1) a package mgr with categories, like Synaptic, and 2) decreasing the update time, which is WAY longer than any other binary distro I know. The latter is why I don't run it. Sabayon tends to provide a lot of updates quickly, too, increasing the amount of time spent on updates.
26 • @24 (by mz on 2012-06-26 04:58:04 GMT from United States)
My guess would be that finicky hardware on your distro of choice would be the most likely problem if you run into problems with different DEs. I run KDE on two systems and it seems fairly responsive on both my single core laptop with 2GB of RAM, and on my quad core desktop. In fact I think PCLOS recently improved hardware support for my system, because up till a few months ago the dinky laptop actually seemed more responsive than the desktop. After a few rolling updates the opposite seems true, so I think your mileage may vary depending on hardware support.
27 • @24 (by claudecat on 2012-06-26 06:54:10 GMT from United States)
KDE 4 runs quite well on my lowly HP Mini netbook (ancient Atom cpu and 1Gb RAM). The old adage that KDE 4 is slow, bloated and buggy is getting really tiresome - it hasn't been true since maybe 4.5 or so. I agree with you about gnome-shell though :=}
28 • LXDE and others (by Jozsef on 2012-06-26 07:40:33 GMT from United Arab Emirates)
I use LXDE on i7 sandybridge with 8GB DDR3 RAM. Because I like it more than all other DEs.
29 • KDE (by RobertD on 2012-06-26 08:34:25 GMT from United States)
I too run KDE-3.5.10 sitting on top of openBSD 5.1. Purrs like a kitten.
30 • @1 Debian-based KDE distros (by greg on 2012-06-26 09:44:39 GMT from Slovenia)
They aree Ubuntu based distribution which is Debian based. Though there are plenty similarities between Debian and Ubuntu there are also some differences - e.g. not all .deb files than work on debian will also work on ubuntu, additionally Ubuntu has it's own repositories), then there are PPA's.
Anyway Kubutnu, Mint and Krunner use same reposotories and are really a remix of Ubuntu with KDE desktop.
Suggest you try them live and see if any differences between them mean anything to you.
31 • siduction 12.1.1 (by Mac on 2012-06-26 15:35:48 GMT from United States)
Thanks siducition that is much better for me. Keep up the good work.
Have fun
Mack
32 • @22,25 Updating Sabayon (by Enlightened Gentoo User on 2012-06-26 16:20:34 GMT from United States)
Sabayon is very agreesive in updating their packages in the repos. To help with decreasing update time, you may need to resort the repo mirrors with this command "equo repo mirrorsort sabayonlinux.org" . This command will ping all the mirrors and resort the mirrors based on response times to maximize download speeds.
33 • Storage, Disc - Old Tech? (by Somewhat Reticent on 2012-06-26 16:23:57 GMT from United States)
Isn't CD vs DVD obsolete? Who wastes time and plastic trying things out? Isn't that what flash storage is for? With room for not only 'multi-arch' base systems, but personalized repositories?
Perhaps the first question should be whether trying a distro requires wasting pendrive space with 'dd'?
34 • @33, CD/DVD obsolete (by TobiSGD on 2012-06-26 17:15:17 GMT from Germany)
First world thinking. No, CDs/DVDs are not obsolete. In many countries on this world machines are in use that just can't boot from USB, because they are to old, nor are pendrives as common as in the first world.
35 • re 26 and 27: (by Woody oaks on 2012-06-26 17:22:19 GMT from United States)
My problem with KDE's four-series is not that it doesn't respond but rather with the foolishness with which it does respond.
36 • Tech in 'non-first' world (by Somewhat Reticent on 2012-06-26 17:47:10 GMT from United States)
I read of a hospital that pxe-boots thin-client laptops supported by a host booted (annually) from business-card cd [Plop?] with a usb pendrive holding OS etc. They could be called "third-world", or "of modest means", but hardly uninformed.
37 • re:33 (by Ron on 2012-06-26 19:08:36 GMT from United States)
D"Isn't CD vs DVD obsolete? Who wastes time and plastic trying things out?"
Its called CD-RW, DVD-RW.
38 • Mulitimedia in Sabayon (by Enimil Ashun on 2012-06-26 19:41:01 GMT from Ghana)
Good write up I keep returning to Sabayon. In some Debian distro one can just play any web radio just by clicking without having=g to copy the urls or right clicking to 'open with' totem or mplayer etc. The irc chaps are good but like debian community the players should be able to ell which plugin is missing and offer to download.
39 • RW - Remainder-Write (by Somewhat Reticent on 2012-06-26 20:17:41 GMT from United States)
Using remaining disc space is better use of write-once media, which is good for archiving.
40 • @35 (by mz on 2012-06-26 21:18:03 GMT from United States)
I'm still leaning toward graphics or other minor hardware issues in your distro, as I said my more powerful quad core system didn't seem seem to respond as well or 'feel right' compared to my single core laptop until after applying some rolling updates. Maybe it was something in switching to kernel 3.2, perhaps it was a graphics driver or something else, but the same version of KDE on the same hardware now just feels better and more bolted together on my desktop. Of course if there is something visual, theme, or desktop effects related that you don't like in KDE there is likely a setting for that if you dig into it a little. Anyway, use what you like & feel free to try other stuff every few updates or so, and enjoy whatever you choose.
41 • bootable optical medai (by Pearson on 2012-06-26 21:52:14 GMT from United States)
It was only recently that *I* had a computer that would reasonably boot from USB, because I didn't have the money for the newer computers. I still don't have a thumb drive primarily because where I work I can't even take one into the building. Since my computers are networked and I rarely need to boot from CD/DVD, I'm still using the stack of CDs that I bought 5 years ago.
So, not everyone is "current".
42 • "For older hardware" (by Somewhat Reticent on 2012-06-26 23:39:13 GMT from United States)
Even though my hand-me-down pc was made in 2002, apparently it's not 'old' enough - a 64-bit cpu is just too new - but it's also too 'old' for newer distros: since the cpu's not Intel, it just couldn't be a 'real' 686. OTOH, for my cousin's 2008 box, audio thru hdmi only works OOTB on older distros ('buntu 10 and earlier) ... and the newest (like PureOS 5, Mageia 2, Solus 2, etc) as newer kernels make up for time lost to separating out drivers.
43 • re 40 (by Woody Oaks on 2012-06-27 02:08:07 GMT from United States)
I have mentioned quite clearly that there is nothing wrong with my system's hardware at all; it can run the latest iterations of KDE swiftly and accurately and on par with some of the finest of today's desktop systems, such as yours. The problem lies with what KDE 4.8 does when it runs swiftly and accurately. KDE 3.5 was a great window manager with a well-designed desktop and useful applications. (And by the way, Trinity is worth a try.). But the KDE four-series presents a collage of visual nuisances: No matter how rapidly and accurately a system's hardware might handle the binary bloat there remain the awful consequences of the designers' intentions oozing forth across the poor operator's monitor. I'm reminded of tail fins and buckets of chrome on 50s cars - sure, with enough horsepower you could haul that junk around, but why would you want to?
44 • @43 (by mz on 2012-06-27 02:43:50 GMT from United States)
Well, the desktop effects can be turned off at your leisure as I mentioned. And of course you could run a non-compositing WM like openbox if you wanted. You may just prefer a bland as paste DE, and by all means go ahead and install one. If you hate cars that don't do anything but function the way you want go ahead and buy one shaped like an ugly brick, and if the same is true of your desktop go ahead and run a DE that _looks_ like windows 95. And if you hate choices of style so much you may also consider making a time machine to go back to some old school communist place where they make everyone wear the same clothes too, or you could just go to prison if that's easier. Me I like choice & freedom, and I get a certain satisfaction from running what I like to think of as a sort of Korvette DE with out having to pay any $ for it, which sadly isn't true of actual Corvettes. The reason for the existence of KDE is the same reason there are Mustangs & Ferraris, some people like things that aren't Yuogs.
45 • watch out for siduction installer !! (by Roland on 2012-06-27 03:26:42 GMT from United States)
Tried to install siduction 12.1.1 x64 to sdb1, sdb2 as home. Good thing I opened a terminal and ran 'df' before proceeding. It had mounted sda1,sda2,sda4, and sdb4 all to /tmp/partinfo-mount (on top of each other) without my permission !! It would have wiped my other OS (mint) and all my data partitions. Ran 'sudo umount', it complained until I found the right order and unmounted last-one-first. Of course, getting an account on their forum to report this bug at 8PM PDT which is ~5AM german time is impossible.
Separate rant: USB stick won't boot if I use unetbootin. 'dd' works, but it destroys a perfectly good filesystem, and rebuilding that is a PITA. Resolved: if your OS won't boot via unetbootin, it is broken. Non-buntu debians all seem to have these problems.
46 • rebus flagrantibus (by Woody Oaks on 2012-06-27 04:18:25 GMT from United States)
It was my sole intention way back there at post #20 to point out that Unix computers introduced archetypical windowing and that Microsoft's knockoff was really a knockoff of a knockoff, and a poor third at that. By comparison consider the '65 Mustang which was a '65 Falcon with reduced passenger space originally marketed for appeal to single women in their 20s as a "secretary's car". The Mustang had the same engine, transmission, and chassis as the Falcon; it didn't go any faster than the Falcon, but it wasn't any slower either. Bill Gates' first "Windows" release didn't work at all, though, so please don't try to liken an economical Unix GUI to the stuff he peddles (piddles?). As for my personal tastes, I must admit to visiting The People's Cube from time to time, along with Perseus and, of course, DistroWatch. Yes, there are some outdated stickynotes hanging from my monitor and a bran flake wedged between the Y and the 7 (I caught the raisin before it rolled onto the floor), but my computer exists for the purpose of running applications - applications such as LibreOffice, X-Plane, KStars (a KDE thing), and K3d (not a KDE thing). When I call up an application such as Free42s it is for the utility and possibly even the aesthetics of that application without much regard for what the screen behind its image might look like if that image weren't there. But enough of this: I'll check GPredict to see if I should be outside with the binoculars or maybe pop a Loeb for thirty minutes or so. Life is good.
47 • choice is good (by mz on 2012-06-27 05:10:44 GMT from United States)
Choice is good, some like one DE others pick something else. Just enjoy yours & then it's all good.
48 • @12 re: Sabayon default 32-bit PAE Kernel (by Willie Green on 2012-06-27 12:58:45 GMT from United States)
I have the same gripe with Ubuntu's lightweight desktop installations.
I understand that there may be some 32-bit users who have more than 4GB of RAM, but I would assume that the vast majority have less. Heck, I couldn't even install 4GB of RAM on my P4 machine if I wanted to, the M/B tops out at 2 GB max.
Why is Ubunutu shoving a PAE down my throat?
Please save it for the 64-bit guys.
49 • Linus Torvalds drops the "F" bomb on nVidia + a question (by DemonTek on 2012-06-27 14:32:12 GMT from United States)
So I was a bit surprised when Linus gave his "opinion" of nVidia the other day. I have been a die hard nVidia user for many years and yes, I have had issues regarding drop-offs or black-screens, but I dealt with it.
However, I am also an avid Windows gamer and have noticed recently that games are getting more robust and nVidia, even under Windows, just doesn't seem to be up to par. I am getting a bit annoyed with this. So I agree with Linus 110%. "nVidia, "F Bomb" you!!!
Now for my question:
I am currently running an nVidia GeForce 560ti and want to switch to AMD/ATI card. Which card should I get that would be an equivalent to what I already have and?
Thanx
50 • nVidia vs ATI/AMD (by kernelpanic! on 2012-06-27 16:15:17 GMT from Germany)
@ 49
you are talking about the proprietary drivers, I guess.
if you think nvidia cards give you trouble then just try ati/amd, have fun.
getting fglrx working is about 50/50 chance, success always pending on kernel and/or xserver version (my experience). I just gave up on it and built a machine with nvidia card, never had any issues with it.
you might also try intel drivers, the "proprietary" driver is "libre" there.
51 • android (by srobart on 2012-06-27 20:45:12 GMT from United States)
Come on folks, android isn't JUST for phones! I have a motorola xoom that I use on a daily basis for web browsing, emailing and other menial tasks that I used to need an actual computer to do. So it's not just a phone OS anymore.
Mind you, it sucks on a pc...
52 • Nvidia vs AMD (by shady on 2012-06-28 03:23:39 GMT from United States)
@50
You are correct sir.
Nvidia is graphics cards on 'easy' mode compared to getting AMD Fglrx 'nightmare' mode.
53 • KDE (by Mac on 2012-06-28 13:32:10 GMT from United States)
Siduction has never gave me trouble but (sda3) - (sda10) is what I use. And it puts the bootloader on partition where I want it and not the mbr. I hate when they go to the mbr no matter what I do.
I use mepis also wonder what has happened?
I want even try a distro that is not kde!!!
And that is my choice and that is what it is all about.
Have fun
Mack
54 • Sabayon (by Mac on 2012-06-28 13:41:21 GMT from United States)
And now with Susan's review I have Sabayon up next to try.
Have fun
Mack
55 • Network mounts at boot (by Bryan Sutherland on 2012-06-28 14:30:13 GMT from Canada)
When you are creating a file containing network credentials it is best to change your container file permissions to 0400 rather than 0600 to help reduce potential inadvertent edits.
Additionally I also advise hiding the file (say as .network_mount) to keep hidden from casual prying eyes, though anyone with access to your /etc/fstab will know where to look.
Bryan
56 • Added security (by Jesse on 2012-06-28 18:22:50 GMT from Canada)
>> "Additionally I also advise hiding the file (say as .network_mount) to keep hidden from casual prying eyes, though anyone with access to your /etc/fstab will know where to look."
If you have marked the file as being readable only by yourself then making the file hidden doesn't help you at all. It doesn't matter if other users can locate the file since they can't open it. Hiding a file no one else can access is just making things harder for yourself.
>> "Nvidia is graphics cards on 'easy' mode compared to getting AMD Fglrx 'nightmare' mode."
I second this. Throwing out NVIDIA in favour of ATI is like trading in a car with a flat tyre for a car with no engine.
57 • Nvidia vs. ATI (by DavidEF on 2012-06-29 15:06:36 GMT from United States)
Just my $0.02 worth. I've used Nvidia cards for years, and I've used ATI a couple of times as well. I've found this statement to be true:
"Throwing out NVIDIA in favour of ATI is like trading in a car with a flat tyre for a car with no engine."
One ATI I bought for a new build burned out from overheating in a few months. I returned it under warranty and bought an Nvidia to replace it. I thought I'd give ATI a chance to impress me. It obviously worked - I am now more impressed to always buy Nvidia. For added bonus - In the analogy above, Intel graphics would be the moped. Sure, it will get you places (I guess better than no engine), but don't expect it to take you far or fast, and do expect to be laughed at.
58 • my $0.01 worth on nVidia vs. ATI (by corneliu on 2012-06-29 16:35:45 GMT from Canada)
When I started my Linux life I had an embedded ATI that made it impossible for me to install Linux on my computer (it was probably because I was a beginner, I can't tell). So I bought an nVidia card and I never had graphics issues anymore. My only complain was that the free nv driver did not have 3D capabilities and the proprietary nVidia driver was a hassle to update. Every time I had a kernel update I had to recompile it with the nVidia driver.
Then my nVidia card died a natural death and I replaced it with an ATI. The free driver got 3D but caused frequent freezes so I had no choice but install fglrx. It always worked well, but I was back to compiling the kernel with the driver. Then suddenly, somewhere after kernel 3.0 (I think) the free ATI driver stopped freezing. Right now the free ATI driver works very well with my card. I'm happy, no more kernel compiling.
59 • ATI (by Gustavo on 2012-06-30 02:04:45 GMT from Brazil)
I also got decent performance (2D/3D) with free ATI driver (Radeon HD 6150), but only with the amd64 version. The i386 build is a little slow.
60 • Linutop OS (by John Smiley on 2012-07-01 00:58:30 GMT from Mexico)
Why is distrowatch even featuring Linutop OS. It is not free nor open source. I downloaded the ISO it is a demo and a commercial trying to sell computers and the use of there OS one that is based on ubuntu (free and open source) and firefox (also free and open source). What is the diferance between them and microsoft? Both take the best of the open source world and sell it for a profit with no value added.
61 • @57, AMD vs NVidia (by TobiSGD on 2012-07-01 06:54:07 GMT from Germany)
"One ATI I bought for a new build burned out from overheating in a few months. I returned it under warranty and bought an Nvidia to replace it. I thought I'd give ATI a chance to impress me. It obviously worked - I am now more impressed to always buy Nvidia."
Every time I read something like that I am rather astonished. Neither AMD nor Nvidia manufacture video cards. They just sell chips. The quality of the card you get is solely dependent on the card manufacturer. If you get a cheap low quality Nvidia card it will drop dead in the same rate as cheap low quality AMD card. We had at one time a whole bunch of failing Nvidia cards from Point of View. Does that mean that Nvidia is making low quality chips? No, that meant that those cards from Point of View were low quality.
So what are your evidences that the burning up of your card was caused by AMD's chip, not by the card manufacturer?
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