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1 • on that pangolin stuff (by meanpt on 2012-05-07 09:36:35 GMT from Portugal) |
To be fair, on a core-i3 and allowing 1.5 GB of RAM in a VBox vm, it runs fine.
Heating is still a problem in my system and out o the box ATI's support, despite the huge efforts from the community, is still ... bad, leaving those with sandbridge procesors and ATI graphical cards in a discrete GPU set up, still out of range of ubuntu. For a LTS this isn't good and if one wants to invite others to try linux we can not tell them "aha, but you need to buy a new machine ubuntu certified".
Unity is addictive as is the support for synaptics' touchpads. After using it every day, it gets too difficult to return to the other os 7 or to any other desktop environment. I find my self pointing to the left and edge or two finger scrolling all the time and trying to guess why aren't things working. In Ubuntu, everything is simple. I just regret reading M. Shuttleworth referring ubuntu will reborn old computers, because it won't, now with the pae only kernel, and the brand identity is Unity, not XFCE or LXDE.
2 • Ubuntu 12.04 review (by Antony on 2012-05-07 09:41:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
Jesse, thanks for the review. Just a couple of quick points:
You can have HUD with Libre Office by installing 'lo-menubar'. Also Launcher un-hide seems to work better for me if I 'push' the cursor against the screen edge and hold, and it opens every time. I think I would have preferred the Dodge operation though. But I definitely would not like it if the Launcher was permanently displayed - that would be a real negative for me.
3 • Ubuntu on low-end machines? (by Koroshiya Itchy on 2012-05-07 09:59:33 GMT from Belgium)
It is great having Linux in the news! However, the BBC article contains information that might be a bit misleading such as that Ubuntu is "designed to outpace its rivals on low-end systems". This is clearly not the case of the standard Desktop Edition (as it is rightly pointed out in the review) and most likely not the case of Kubuntu either (truth be told, I have not tested it, but, in any case, it seems not to be an official Ubuntu derivative any more).
Ubuntu DE's minimum requirements in terms of comfortable operation are among the highest in the landscape of Linux and BSD distributions (not counting Ubuntu's own derivatives). It is still more resource-economic than Windows 7, but already more resource-hungry than MacOS X. Of course, things improve considerably if one turns desktop effects off. But, wait, that is exactly what Microsoft recommends to the users who complain about Windows 7 being too slow or just too buggy on their machines.
My own impression is that Ubuntu 12.04 is pretty good for the market it seems to be targeting. Yet, I believe it is better not to create false expectations. If you want an easy-to-use desktop-oriented OS, Ubuntu and Mint are both great options. But if you have a low-end machine (below current standards), Xubuntu or one of the more light-weight Mint flavours might suit you better than the respective standard editions. Now, if your machine is really low end and/or if you want to optimise resources and desktop responsiveness, you should even stay away of those ones and search for something really light.
4 • Donation to Slackware (by linuxuser on 2012-05-07 10:01:57 GMT from Greece)
I am happy to read that the recipient of the April 2012 DistroWatch.com donation is Slackware Linux. That's an excellent decision. Slackware has offered (and continues to offer) too much to the linux community for the past 20 years and is being developed by dedicated people.
5 • SolusOS (by IkeyDoherty on 2012-05-07 10:59:24 GMT from United Kingdom)
Thank you for officially listing SolusOS even though we're in RC stages. The server load generated by the DW announcement last night was so enormous we had to have an emergency infrastructure upgrade this morning.
The last reported load average was 128. All of our systems are now back online should anyone want to make use of them (IRC, repo, forums, blog).
A big thank you to everyone involved in making this release possible. There's a lot going on behind the scenes, and I'd like to draw peoples attention to Justin. He's a big part of SolusOS and helped make it possible when it was no more than just a pipe dream. His involvement will now grow throughout the month.
So, sales pitch eh? :) If you want a Gnome 2.30 Debian based system with brand new shiny apps (FF/TB12, LibreOffice 22.214.171.124, VLC 2.0.1, amongst others) and maybe even an automated driver installer, SolusOS could be what you're looking for :)
Either which, happy distrohopping people. Always find the comments here a pleasure to read.
6 • Solus (by Gazza on 2012-05-07 11:18:58 GMT from Australia)
I'm glad to see that Solus has finally hit DW. I've been running RC2 for quiet a while now, and am very impressed with it. I have an i7 and shouldn't even consider running a 32bit OS, so that says something. Can't wait till the 64bit hits the shelf :D
7 • Unity (by rich52 on 2012-05-07 11:24:08 GMT from United States)
I have similar problems with Unity as was described in the article written above. I autohide the menu and when it comes time to use it , I move the mouse to the upper left corner several times and finally it pops out. Sticks there for some reason. Another problem is the workplace switcher. I'd like to see it at the 'top' of the menu by the 'dash' key. I use the mouse 99% of the time and don't like taking my hands off the mouse to use the 'ctrl-alt-arrow' keys to move to different work spaces. When you add more and more icons to the menu bar the 'work space switcher' key disappears from view and it takes time to Resurrect it to use. Other than that it all seems to work pretty good. I'm still using KDE ( Fedora and Kubuntu) on my real work machines.
8 • Donation to Slackware (by ano69 on 2012-05-07 11:30:37 GMT from Bulgaria)
Slack and mr. Patrick Volkerding deserve this donation, I very happy about this. I still use slacks for some quick solutions although I moved to greener pastures (the Crux distribution).
9 • SolusOS (by Hawkeye52 on 2012-05-07 12:34:40 GMT from United States)
SolusOS is well worth the consideration of anyone who wants an up-to-date yet stable OS that is very RAM efficient.
It's also very satisfying to have the creator/lead developer (Ikey) active on the Forum and open for suggestions regarding tweaks and polish for the future. The Forum itself is low-key and friendly. All in all, a good experience.
BTW, RC3 is visually pleasing, solid implementation of Debian Stable, with some nice add-on features created by Ikey. Take a look, I don't think you will be disappointed.
10 • Precise Pangolin (by Raajesh Ganeshan on 2012-05-07 13:10:22 GMT from India)
Excellent release by Canonical. I've been running it since the day of its release. No hitches. Though I am a lover of gnome-shell, I find the unity adorable this time. I would suggest unity haters to give this release a try. We can proudly say, "Linux Desktop exists!"
11 • Precise Ubuntu (by Alex on 2012-05-07 13:15:52 GMT from France)
Agree with Rajesh!
We can now say that the "Linux Desktop Exists!"
12 • Launcher Reveal Pressure (by Just some guy on 2012-05-07 13:20:29 GMT from United States)
To change the Launcher pressue:
Compiz Configuration Settings Manager
Ubuntu Unity Plugin
Launcher Reveal Pressure
Adjust as needed.
13 • Slackware donation - yay! (by pearson on 2012-05-07 13:30:31 GMT from United States)
I'm glad to see a donation to my first distro.
I thought that, man years ago, Distrowatch disallowed Slackware because it is a commercial entity. Am I misremembering, or has the policy changed since then? Perhaps the line between "commercially backed" vs. "commercial entitty" has been blurred?
Anyway, I fully support this donation! Thanks!
14 • Fedora (by Flaque on 2012-05-07 13:37:19 GMT from Argentina)
LOL at Fedora beign a Facebook plugin!! Made my day :D
15 • SolusOS (by Lars "Jurek" Behrmann on 2012-05-07 14:41:35 GMT from Germany)
SOLUS IS GREAT! Well done, even if you don't like blue.
(impressing name, btw)
16 • @7 (by WalterSobchak on 2012-05-07 14:45:36 GMT from Lithuania)
System Settings > Appearance > Behavior > Reveal sensitivity. Slide it to High.
17 • Not trying to start an argument but... (by DavidEF on 2012-05-07 14:57:02 GMT from United States)
"It is great having Linux in the news! However, the BBC article contains information that might be a bit misleading such as that Ubuntu is "designed to outpace its rivals on low-end systems"..."
I haven't read the BBC article, but when I read this above, I recognized that they were probably talking about Windows and maybe MacOS, not other free operating systems. At any rate, I would hope that no free software project would look at another free software project as a "rival" in any regard. We're all in this together! So, compared to Windows, at least, (don't know about MacOS) Ubuntu is certain to "outpace" on lower end equipment, at least in my experience.
18 • Great choice for donation this month! (by DavidEF on 2012-05-07 15:07:52 GMT from United States)
I want to echo the sentiments of all above in regards to the great choice DW made of donating to the Slackware project. After all the hoopla created when the web-site server went down, it's good to see that they are receiving some financial help. I don't use Slackware, or any of its derivatives, but as a Linux user, I'm sure something they've done in 20+ years has helped the community in a way that I've personally benefitted from. So, here's hoping they forever retain the title of "Oldest Surviving Linux Distribution."
19 • Ubuntu (by Timmy Smith on 2012-05-07 15:30:19 GMT from Thailand)
Ubuntu is technically really perfect and hard to find a really equivalent distro!
But one remark about another extreme: Ubuntu is also the most ugly distro, and
it cost some effort to install themes and oster stuff for a little bit of eyecandy...
20 • @16 (by notsure on 2012-05-07 15:31:37 GMT from United States)
System Settings > Appearance > Behavior > Reveal sensitivity. Slide it to High.
I thought this was a joke...
21 • @ 7, 16 Autohide (by ned on 2012-05-07 15:47:12 GMT from Austria)
"System Settings > Appearance > Behavior > Reveal sensitivity. Slide it to High."
didn't help me in my test of 12.04 - stayed hidden ...
22 • @19...Ugly Ubuntu (by tek_heretik on 2012-05-07 16:07:19 GMT from Canada)
I agree, how did this innovative and popular distro become a 'Franken-distro'? Either there is drugs in the water cooler over at Conical or they have an inside joke/bet going to see just how much Microsoft will copy them, lol.
23 • Slackware (by claudecat on 2012-05-07 16:18:01 GMT from United States)
Well, it seems that Slackware has weathered the storm of hyperbole that accompanied their recent website outage. Despite claims to the contrary, there have been significant updates to -current which predate the outage and have continued unabated - just today there were dozens and dozens of updates. I wonder how many folks realize that running -current means KDE 4.8.2, Firefox 12 and a 3.2.13 kernel with greater stability than most distros?
Kudos to DW for the donation, but I doubt that they need it as much as some might believe. C'mon - this is a distro headed by a self-described deadhead; is it really surprising that they have priorities contrary to those held by more business-like ones? They strive only to be what they are, and development trumps web-server maintenance.
BTW, Ubuntu Precise appears to me to be a fine release... no issues on my hardware and Unity is less unctuous than ever. Plus I love the new wallpaper with the cute lil pangolin.
24 • Ubuntu 12.04 (by fernbap on 2012-05-07 16:23:02 GMT from Portugal)
Thanks for the review, Jesse, it basically confirmed my own thoughts about it.
I ran into an infantile bug in the installer, though. I used unetbootin to make a bootable pen, and installed it from there.
The installer, without asking anything (as usual) installed GRUB.... in the pen!
(i.e., sdb instead of sda).
As to unity, it has matured into something usable. I still don't like it, i still think it is going in the wrong direction, but at least it is usable.
As to Canonical policies, they are just wrong. Ubuntu first angered its users when it passed the buttons to the left, without giving them any option to put them in the right again. It took Mint one day to add a simple checkbox: Buttons: left/right.
I have nothing against someone having opinions that i don't agree with, but Linux is about freedom of choice. Why remove it?
So, after getting rid of that stupid scrollbar overlay, i gave Unity a fair chance.
Unity is meant to be a DE that can run as well on a PC, tablet or smartphone. The idea that a keyboard intensive environment is appropriate for a tablet or smartphone is just stupid.
So, i guess all that keyboard stuff is just a way to make Unity usable on traditional desktop PCs. But then, why not give PCs a DE more suitable for them, instead of Unity?
As to the underlying system, it works great (at least it worked for me), which is why so many distros use Ubuntu as a base system, and why Xubuntu is the best XFCE distro that i came across.
A pity that Ubuntu doesn't offer anything better than Unity for the tradicional desktop PC user.
25 • Ubuntu 12.04 (by vaithy on 2012-05-07 16:32:32 GMT from India)
Installed in my Lenova Thinkpad X120E, which already housed Win 7,pear Linux and Linux Mint 12. Shocked to see 'Grub rescue> message on reboot.. In my assembed AMD box which housed the same Oses, also same problem..In both cases I manually installed on Pear Linux place. in my Thinkpad case, I use the Ubuntu Cd and in the Live mode, reinstalled the grub.. In my Desktop I simply deleted the failed ubuntu partition again recreated it, installed ubuntu..This is strange.. AFTER 9.04 i never seen this message 'grub rescue' in every Linux installation..
After experimenting with unity's HUD, my next shock was, network manager not recognising my BSNL ;Capitel EVDO modem...until 11.10 ubuntu work fne . After finding the vendor id and product id from 'lsusb ' command in Terminal I edit the etc/modules file and wrote it, so I need not retyping the same..Now EVDO is fine..Now I know ehy 'Linux Mint is now on top of DW..
26 • ArchBang (by New Arch Fan on 2012-05-07 16:55:25 GMT from United States)
Noob to Arch. I get the RTFM attitude the arch community has, and I actually like it. I learned a lot in the arch vm in these last few weeks, that I have tried it. So with that said:
I would like to thank the folks behind ArchBang. Everything worked and is really snappy. I'm a mostly Mobile Broadband and occasional wi-fi user only. Absolutely no access to internet any other way. So (FOR ME) having this headache causing part in getting started with arch, taking care of is much appreciated. Plus the pacman 4 upgrade mess is no longer there. I know the die-hard's arch fans don't like it, but hey you got to pick your battles. Mobile Internet access is too fundamental to my usage, too be a zealot about drivers or to having a RMS mindset. I think mobile broadband / wi-fi internet access documentation needs to be improved. Since I can't code, this will be the way I hope to contribute. As soon as I understand it better myself.
Played around with SolusOS. Very compelling respin/distro. Love that it's gnome2.
Question for experienced: Speaking of Gnome2, Red Hat and CentOS are using it in their most recent releases. Doesn't that mean Gnome2 will have some sort of support for at least the next 5 years? If yes then why the rush (my perception) to switch to Gnome3?
27 • @26 New Arch Fan (Gnome2 support) (by DavidEF on 2012-05-07 17:45:47 GMT from United States)
I haven't researched it myself, but I've seen the question here before. AFAIK, the Gnome2 support in RHEL and CentOS is going to comprise security updates only, no new features. The Gnome dev's are responsible for supporting the feature set, and they have moved all efforts to their shiny new Gnome3. To anyone who believes that Gnome2 is/was the "perfect" DE, it should make no difference. To distro maintainers, it means the difference between being in the past, and reaching to the future. Some are doing both, such as Linux Mint. But I'm sure it's easier to choose one path and take it, and of course, the path to the future is usually going to be the path of least resistance overall.
28 • @26 (by Arkanabar on 2012-05-07 17:46:33 GMT from United States)
That was my thinking in part -- that Solus would benefit from the Gnome 2.30 source code updates published by RH & its derivatives. And support for RHEL 6.x has been extended to ten years.
The rush to Gnome3 is really more by the Gnome project than anyone else, and I think their real motivation is that they want to escape the perceived shortcomings of GTK+ 2.x (and difficulties of maintaining it). I won't try to explain why this requires a complete redesign of the DE and interface. Still, Gnome3 and GTK+ 3.x seem to be pretty flexible, since they are now the basis for Gnome-shell, Unity, and Cinnamon. More ideas are likely to come along, and I expect the good ones to survive. If we didn't have freedom to fork and compete like this, we wouldn't have the innovation that we do.
29 • 26 • ArchBang (by mandog on 2012-05-07 17:54:57 GMT from United Kingdom)
Yes archbang is a gem I used it in Peru in the mountains no phone but yes mobile internet worked. One thing does upset me is the perception you get shunned in Arch forums this has never been evident to me, I do read the forums regular and find mostly the poster is to blame. remember a lot of voluntary work goes on to create the Arch Wiki and the devs are very active in the forum.
Ubuntu 1204 is the best release to date a slightly heavy on resources, but very stable with Gnome shell, unity still needs a lot of work but progress is very rapid and although not my cup of tea will catch on over time.
30 • SolusOS (by IkeyDoherty on 2012-05-07 18:07:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
Thanks to all the kind words regarding SolusOS. Hope everyone is enjoying the RC4 :)
Initial feedback suggests its rock solid, thats up to the user to decide :)
31 • SolusOS (by Marezz on 2012-05-07 18:14:44 GMT from Serbia)
Ikey and Justin did great job! SolusOS gets better and better with each update and release!
I have been using it since early alpha stages and its awesome, cant wait for the final release.
Love Gnome 2, up to date apps, good performance and stability? Try SolusOS, you wont regret!
We have a great friendly and helpful community so dont be shy and join us on forum and IRC! :)
32 • kudos for Slackware donation and kubuntu 12.04 (by Laura on 2012-05-07 18:20:53 GMT from Spain)
I want to add that Slackware documentation is one of the best, easy to understand, concise and with a touch of sense of humor. I was thinking of trying Slackel since it makes Slack easier to be updated. Anyone try Slackel?
I installed Kubuntu 12.04, grub didn't install, they don't ask you in the installation process (at least I don't remember), and gave problems when trying to update the kernel, since this kernel didn't work. Also when booted in Kde gives a error message that a folder was missed (I don't remember where was missed, got to created manually). This 2 errors gave me the impression of an unpolished distro.
On the other hand, thanks Distrowath for the reference of HAIKU OS in the past issue,
33 • 27 & 28 (by New Arch Fan on 2012-05-07 18:36:56 GMT from United States)
Thanks for your response. Wow, 10 more years years of Gnome2!!! Thats awesome!!! Thats enough time for me to grow my linux beard. Just kidding. Well security updates is all it needs. Gnome2 was/is simple and intuitive. By that I mean no instructions necessary to find stuff, open stuff and turn off when done.
34 • Just my Thoughts (by OpenBox Fan on 2012-05-07 18:55:55 GMT from United States)
Ubuntu! Meh not for me
Hilarious!!! Fedora as a facebook app.
Debian info-graphic was cool.
CrunchBang on the Desktop and ArchBang on the Laptop!! Perfect combo for me. I like having my heavy applications using the majority CPU or Ram instead of a desktop environment. ArchBang release runs great, also no issues with the first pacman upgrade.
I like SolusOS and Linux Mint's LMDE but I kinda think I have the same thing with CrunchBang (back-ports enabled). Stability with up to date packages. So the only difference is whether you like gnome two, mate, cinnamon or openbox. I like all of them, but openbox was the most fun out the group.
35 • Hey! (by Someone on 2012-05-07 19:11:56 GMT from Aruba)
#3: you might want to try out Lubuntu, which is supposedly the lightest *Buntu of them all.
36 • #17 @DavidEF (by Koroshiya Itchy on 2012-05-07 19:19:19 GMT from Belgium)
I am not a Linux developer and I am not affiliated to any distro. As a professional user, I just use the tool that is better suited for my work and my way of working. I also try to be constructive in my criticism. First I used Mandrake, then RedHat, then Ubuntu and now Debian. When Linux started to misbehave in this laptop, I even explored the Solaris and BSD worlds, but unfortunately software-wise and driver-wise they are not yet mature enough (even if BSD is getting pretty close).
Some people are reporting that in this very thread that they needed to assign 1.6 G to a virtual machine for Ubuntu 12.04 to run comfortably. 1-2 G is more ore less what you need for Windows 7 and far more of what you need for MacOS X. So I was not comparing Ubuntu to other Linux distros but to the commercial distros. Then I suggested that people with lower-end machines willing to try Linux should maybe consider others distros. I forgot about Lubuntu, which is a very nice one, even if we have to admit that the user experience and the look-and-feel have little to do with those of regular Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is great but it is not perfect, it is not bug-free and it is not for everyone. In fact, nothing is perfect, nothing is bug-free and nothing is optimal for every person and use. Promoting regular Ubuntu for low-end machines is bad marketing because it will produce disappointed users. And provided that free software spreads mainly through mouth-to-mouth pathways, too many disappointed users is something that an ambitious product such as Ubuntu cannot afford. So let's try to be honest and lest try to be realistic.
In addition to resource economy, the reason why I moved away from Ubuntu is quality control. Debian Stable is old but it is rock-solid. The same goes for Redhat, Slackware, etc. Then you have Debian Testing that with some tweaking can be quite good for home users (as shown by Linux Mint Debian Edition and others). It is quite current but it is not bug-free.
So far, Canonical has failed to produce a professional-quality operating system. Ubuntu is great for home users, no doubt, but even the LTS editions are sometimes too buggy to be used in mission-critical environments. Some of them are stable enough, it is true, but how can you tell? Who is going to take the risk? Some critical bugs reported at alpha stage are never fixed (in order to comply with the schedule, I guess)...
Sometimes you have to make choices. Companies and projects providing products both for home users and professional environments typically have well differentiated products developed with different priorities and goals and often by different teams (RHEL and Fedora, Windows Home and Professional Editions, etc.). By willing to target all markets with a single product it may well happen that they will excel in none.
37 • Unity (by mz on 2012-05-07 19:44:17 GMT from United States)
I've got to say I hate the Unity menu structure, it's just way to click intensive. Krunner in KDE seems as fast & effective as the search intensive structure of dash; however, there are still options for more traditional menus that are far more effective for me than clicking through the dash GUI. Ubuntu also seems to be killing customization options by default & leaving users with something of a Mac clone. I've got to say I just don't like it. They do seem to be rushing away from Gnome3 like Mint & the rest, but the results are even less customizable and only a little better from my perspective. I like the competition Ubuntu injects into desktop Linux, but I don't see the default version of Ubuntu being that great. Unity can also screws up other DEs by adding in that blasted omnibar menu into KDE, Gnome, etc., or at least it did last time I had Mint on my laptop & made the mistake of installing Unity to try it out. Unity screwed up my system & generally was harder & more annoying to use, so I switched to PCLOS & KDE and have been fairly happy. I sorta wish Ubuntu with Unity weren’t the face of desktop Linux to the world at large, but I guess that's the of the world & they are at least trying to do right.
38 • @24 (by Adam Williamson on 2012-05-07 19:58:45 GMT from Canada)
"Thanks for the review, Jesse, it basically confirmed my own thoughts about it.
I ran into an infantile bug in the installer, though. I used unetbootin to make a bootable pen, and installed it from there.
The installer, without asking anything (as usual) installed GRUB.... in the pen!
(i.e., sdb instead of sda)."
That's very likely not an 'infantile bug' at all. We have no end of trouble with the same sort of thing in Fedora. For a start, probably any distro maker will tell you 'if you have trouble with unetbootin, go ask the unetbootin developers'. It's hard enough supporting our _own_ 'write to USB' tool(s) without supporting everyone else's. The work involved in supporting 'write an installer image to USB and install from it' is surprisingly complex - probably far more effort than you'd think - and extremely susceptible to little bugs in hundreds of different paths that are very difficult to test comprehensively. Homework - http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html - it's all just a piece of cake, eh?!
39 • @26 @28 (by Adam Williamson on 2012-05-07 20:00:55 GMT from Canada)
Well, 'some kind of support', sure. But all RHEL maintenance really means you can rely on is security patches. Also bear in mind that RH engineers will only be interested in keeping GNOME 2 running _on a RHEL 6 base_. They won't be working on maintaining GNOME 2 on top of modern systemd, udisks, udev and all the rest of it, because those aren't in RHEL 6. So you're not going to get any help from RH there.
40 • Impressed yes solus (by ljbucher on 2012-05-07 20:11:44 GMT from United States)
First post ever on DW, been around since Week Two. Long time all-things-sid, then mints, LMDEs. Lots of deploys...
Need a good, solid deb/wine for a major project, and it's pretty, too!
TX at every level
41 • @38 (by fernbap on 2012-05-07 20:12:11 GMT from Portugal)
'if you have trouble with unetbootin, go ask the unetbootin developers'
That may be so, but that NEVER happened with any other distro (and i tried many, rest assured of that).
So, allow me to remain skeptical on your claim, based on the fact that it is very unlikely that a unetbootin bug would provoke it. Besides, i don't see how. The install was correctly installing Ubuntu on a sda partition, so i doubt it would be confused about which devices were present and where to install GRUB.
Thank you for the link, anyway. Interesting stuff. I used to fiddle with the boot sector on DOS, you can do pretty amazing stuff with it. Including installing viruses, of course.
42 • @36 • by Koroshiya Itchy - careless LTS (by meanpt on 2012-05-07 20:13:20 GMT from Portugal)
That's my point, too, in that a LTS should be more cared and not be assembled in the same assembly line as the quickly breed chicken slaughter line. It seems canonical is more interested in making parties than in assembling a carefully thought long term OS. I guess in years of a LTS release they should only make an XX.10 release as these have proved to be more polished and stable than those XX.04 made in a hurry to have celebrations and press coverage. In the end we are left with uncut piece of all types.
43 • @36 Koroshiya (by DavidEF on 2012-05-07 20:15:51 GMT from United States)
First, let me thank you for a well written, non-inflammatory response. I can agree with most of your assessment. Ubuntu is certainly not perfect, and cannot be recommended for everyone. I also read that post about the VirtualBox install, where they gave Ubuntu 1.5GB of RAM and said "it runs fine." I guess Ubuntu 12.04 is not to be recommended for use inside VirtualBox just yet. However, as stated in Jesse's Review, and elsewhere by others, on a clean install on real hardware, Ubuntu uses around 220 - 250 MB's of RAM (Jesse said 225MB above). I have yet to see a Windows version since WinXP's first release (in other words, not past SP1) that can run in that little RAM without some tweaking. Actually, it is my personal experience (so far) that there is not a version of Windows that can compare with any distro of Linux for the amount of performance per amount of system resources needed to get that performance. Your mileage may vary. There are sometimes other issues, even major ones, but performance is never a factor for me. Linux always wins there on my hardware.
44 • Thanks, Jesse (by jxliv7 on 2012-05-07 20:46:49 GMT from United States)
Jesse, 1st: outstanding and detailed review that I gotta read twice (and carefully) with Ubuntu 12-4 running on another computer to really grok it. Food for thought.
2nd: the Opinions experiment emphasizes the regular need to step back to view the bigger picture because we can't see the forest for the trees, the daunting effects of unfamiliar information frustration or overload exaggerated by insider jargon or terminology, or that our uber-familiarity isn't shared by anyone else we want to communicate with. It's not a problem unique to LInux by any means, it's endemic within everything a group of people gets together for. It can be inadvertent, casually accepted, or inappropriately abused to keep information controlled. Education and freedom of information (thanks, internet!) are the cures.
3rd: as an example of something that I found tortures many people the "contact the authors" blurb just above the comments offers the confusion of mailto: and obfuscated email addresses. Windows machines try to open Outlook, 'Nix boxes whatever mail program the distro has as default, none of which are what the average user usually uses for their email. The times I would have responded (or wanted to email something) but didn't because I was put off by the effort mailto: required is almost embarrassing. True, some sites or people don't want email, so it's a means of discouraging, like filling out little-bitty forms. But DistroWatch thrives on user feedback... Oh, well, I guess most anything is a balance between effort/knowledge/(money?) required and the motivation present to do it - there's a cost to everything.
45 • @Koroshiya Itchy - Ubuntu resource usage (by Dylan on 2012-05-07 20:48:07 GMT from Ireland)
Sorry but I can't take your comment about resource usage seriously. Ubuntu uses 180Mb of RAM on this low end machine and performance is very good.
Are you trying to tell me that Mac or Windows is more efficient?
46 • @45 Dylon on the 180 MB of RAM (by meanpt on 2012-05-07 21:02:54 GMT from Portugal)
Dylon, would you care to explain how are you computing those figures? Would you care to show your "free" figures?
47 • @43 by DavidEF Ubuntu running on 220 - 250 MB of RAM (by meanpt on 2012-05-07 21:18:26 GMT from Portugal)
Your claim is wrong. You don't manage to run 12.04 with any of the unity(s) within that amount of RAM. Most probably you're referring to the RAM your system is taking after landing on the desktop.
Your claim on performance is right, but you're forgetting to mention the burned motherboards all over the world due to that "performance" one year ago.
48 • Ubuntu - thank goodness for Mint (by Foobar on 2012-05-07 21:24:20 GMT from New Zealand)
Reading about the new Ubuntu makes me even more grateful that I moved to Mint.
Unity, lenses, HUD. Type in this, type in that, search for this, search for that. Sheesh - give me menus any day!
"...when running Firefox we can activate the HUD, type "bookmark" and we get options such as "bookmark this page" and "manage bookmarks". "
Gee. Why bother using HUD for that? It's just more bloat that slows things down and gets in the way.
Bookmark a page in Firefox by using Ctrl-D. No HUD needed.
49 • Driving with the HUD (by Foobar on 2012-05-07 21:40:04 GMT from New Zealand)
HUD: "What would you like to do?"
Me: Change gear
HUD: "Type in the gear you want to change to."
HUD: "Ok - now changing to fourth gear."
Driving with a menu -
Me: Click - 4th gear. Done.
50 • @48 @49 Agreed. (by Archetype on 2012-05-07 22:24:04 GMT from United States)
For the past eight years I have also been baffled by the positive reception of all Ubuntu releases. I view Ubuntu as basically beta quality software plagued by regressions and which is perpetually trying to reinvent itself with each version. Rather than reaching a more pragmatic goal of actually being a beginner-friendly, intuitive and usable alternative OS, the project tickles and teases its target users every 6 months and without a reliable upgrade path; users are instead recommended to backup, format and reinstall. Even the oft-maligned Windows OS (which comes preinstalled on the overwhelming majority of machines anyway) provides rolling updates for years- and without the $99 price tag of OSX updates.
Sorry, but besides a bloated and re-branded Debian with consistently uglier themes, novice community, useless wiki and an interface apparently designed for people with enormous thumbs and touch screens, I fail to see Ubuntu's place in the world of GNU/Linux.
51 • @21 Autohide (by Phill on 2012-05-07 22:42:55 GMT from United States)
"'System Settings > Appearance > Behavior > Reveal sensitivity. Slide it to High.'
didn't help me in my test of 12.04 - stayed hidden ..."
Not sure if this has been addressed or not, but one thing I discovered was that revealing the menu is sort of a two step process - first, moving the cursor to the side of the screen doesn't automatically bring my menu up - I have to get the cursor to the edge, and then sort of 'keep going' in order to push the menu out. It's a little weird, but it fixes what was, to me, one of the more annoying aspects of the Unity bar in 11.10 - if I so much as glanced at the side of the screen, the quicklaunch bar would appear. Made closing programs fairly aggravating if I wasn't using keyboard shortcuts.
On a separate note, I've been using Ubuntu in various guises for a relatively short span, since about 10.10. I keep saying I'll back everything up and switch to Mint, but so far, I haven't - I think 12.04 went a long way towards fixing some of the inherent annoyances, so I may just stick around for the duration.
52 • ArchBang (by oldtimer2 on 2012-05-07 22:55:01 GMT from United Kingdom)
The developers of ArchBang should be congratulated, the latest release looks very good.
Been a long time users of ArchBang and found it very fast, light on resources and great for older machines.
They have made Arch Linux accessible and quick to install (yes, I am an old time user of Arch Linux too).
Gone is the bloatware, true a few minor problems with Pacman, but they aren't show stoppers, more a minor annoyance.
Great work ArchBang team!
53 • ROFL (by DigitalLight on 2012-05-08 00:03:27 GMT from United States)
"...almost a third of the participants thought Fedora was some sort of Facebook plugin or application instead of a full operating system..."
The VERY FIRST sentence on fedoraproject.org...
"Fedora is a fast, stable, and powerful operating system for everyday use..."
ROFL. I just... I don't know how I would respond to these people. Actually, I do. I would suggest they use Apple. ;-)
54 • ROFL (by fernbap on 2012-05-08 00:08:03 GMT from Portugal)
"I would suggest they use Apple. ;-)"
I didn't ROFL, but i LOLed :D
55 • Slackel (by gitane3 on 2012-05-08 01:52:56 GMT from United Kingdom)
Slackel seems a good OS, light and easy to use, would recommend that you try it out. yes, fun. I have been using it for 2 days without any problems, though I have yet to correct the default American English to British English, which I prefer. The language packs installed are Greek and American English only.
It's easy to change the desktop paper to one of your own choice :-)
56 • Slackel (by gitane3 on 2012-05-08 01:59:36 GMT from United Kingdom)
I forgot to say in previous post, updating Slackel is easy but read the notes on the website: first time you have to put a couple of lines of code in the terminal (command line) before you update to prevent any problems, but the instructions are clear on the website.
57 • Firefox bookmarks (by gitane3 on 2012-05-08 02:40:51 GMT from United Kingdom)
"Ubuntu - thank goodness for Mint"
Yes, Mint is very popular and deservedly so - it doesn't irritate the user as some other distros do. Why, it even has a calming effect - doctors recommend it :-)
I have it installed too, you bet, and try out other distros that appeal too, like Slackel. But this is just a quick post to say Thanks for the tip Ctrl + D to bookmark a Firefox page, just tried it, nice short cut. In cut & paste & editing, I got used to Ctrl + A, Ctrl + C, Ctrl +V, Ctrl + Z but that was about all.
58 • @24-38-41 Grub install (by DiveEd on 2012-05-08 03:34:53 GMT from United States)
What type of installation method did you use? Automatic or manual. If you select "other" for a manual install, in the middle of the following screen it shows you where it intends to install the boot loader. This is a pull down box that lets you select either the MBR of any of your drives or any partition on any of the drives. Using this method I have never had a problem with Grub being installed in the wrong place.
59 • @58 Grub install (by fernbap on 2012-05-08 04:57:23 GMT from Portugal)
"What type of installation method did you use?"
Thank you for your hint, and you may have a point. I used manual install, as i always do. Didn't notice a dropdownbox, though i'm not saying that it isn't there, but i never had to notice it before, since all previous ubuntu and ubuntu derived distros installs that i did (manually as well) never got it wrong.
Anyway, setting sdb as default when i am installing from sdb to sda is not exactly what i would call good design...
60 • @58 Grub install (by G-Doggy on 2012-05-08 06:46:19 GMT from Japan)
"Anyway, setting sdb as default when i am installing from sdb to sda is not exactly what i would call good design..."
It is simply looking at the boot loading order and noticing the first boot device available. It would be worse if it automatically installed it on the last device on the list and you would always be automatically loaded into Win 7 and never see Grub.
61 • Linux - still confusing to most folks (by Jack on 2012-05-08 07:57:37 GMT from South Africa)
Confusing Fedora with Facebook - ouch - that has gotta hurt
But - thats the price one pays for silly, half-baked messages
Mandrake was my first love - easy, simple to use, thereafter
I discovered Mandriva - I bought a truckload of CD/DVD in
BKK and had say 7/8 x O/S running on my NB - Thereafter
PCLOS and then all the others - all of which were extremely
buggy and slow - loved KDE 3.5 desktop, combined with the
Beryl cube, I was in hog heaven. KDE is now a silly confused
mish-mash of stupidity & dead slow - Linux has again reverted
back to its normal confused state - y'all gotta lose the sandals
and shorts mantra to be taken seriously by anyone these days
Watch KDE 3.5 rule ... Peace
62 • Ubuntu 12.04: Quite a few crashes... (by Johannes on 2012-05-08 08:52:19 GMT from Germany)
@ Review of Ubuntu 12.04:
"One additional feature I appreciated about Ubuntu 12.04 was that if an application crashed (which was quite rare in my trial) a dialog would appear and offer to send a bug report for us."
Which apps crashed? Running Linux for years, I don't remember mainstream apps crashing even in a "quite rare" way. My opinion is that a modern Linux distro should not be crashing at all: for me, Ubuntu 12.04 simply isn't a reliable Linux distribution for now!
Cheers and great idea to donate to Slack :-)
63 • a few things (by greg on 2012-05-08 10:05:11 GMT from Slovenia)
1 - 12.04 LTS - LTS stands for long term support not long term stable. 10.04 is supported until 2013 and for production mashcine you would upgrade to 12.04 when 12.04.1 is out and all intitial bugs are ironed out not the frist day after distro goes out. additionally stable means that bugs are predictable not that there are no bugs.
2. i too can't get used to having buttons on left. in fact (also due to my vision) i like to simply bump the mouse into right corner and click it to close the windows. i don't even have to look at what i hit. and can easilly do it with screen off. been like that since win2.0 (or what they were...).
3. i was running Ubuntu live on vbox with 512 mb ram for guest OS. seem to ran just fine though a little bit slow. but then again host had 2 Gb and single core Athlon...and even installed Xubuntu runs a bit slow on this maschine. Kubuntu can use 180MB with lowfat package. otherwise it uses a bit more ram. but even with effects it is still a lot less than win7 with effects on.
64 • @62 applicaiton crash (by greg on 2012-05-08 10:10:07 GMT from Slovenia)
Since you've been running linux for years you should know that applicaiton stability doens't have much to do with OS stability. it can't really be Ubuntu's fault. Especially since Ubuntu offers newer version of applicaitons with new features. So for exmaple if Libre Office crashes while the system runs unninterrupted it's not really Ubuntu's fault is it?
For example yesterday Gvenview crashed to me. I guess it's gvenview's fault since the OS was running unhindered before and after.
65 • @64, 63 (by TobiSGD on 2012-05-08 12:39:39 GMT from Germany)
@64 "So for exmaple if Libre Office crashes while the system runs unninterrupted it's not really Ubuntu's fault is it?"
Actually, it is. Ubuntu is delivering a complete package of an OS together with applications. At least the applications that come with a default install should be so well tested that they work without problems together with the other applications and standalone. When an application crashes it can't be well tested. Gwenview is a program for simple imaging tasks. If even that doesn't work reliably, what says that about the more complex applications?
@63 "LTS stands for long term support not long term stable."
Correct. This is why LTS versions are the ones that Canonical intent for business use. If I were a person that had to decide about the OS used in a company I would not choose an OS from a company that moves the beta phase to take place after the release without inform the users about it. In contrary, Fedora (with the same short release cycle) is known to be a testing ground for Red Hat's stable versions. It is simply known to sometimes be buggy. But Canonical marketing describes the LTS versions as stable.
Simple solution to make the LTS versions more stable and better for commercial use (most people forget that Canonical is a commercial company that at some point has to make money): Take it out of the development cycle for customer versions. 6 months development time are simply not enough for a commercial grade distro.
66 • Unity and Slackware (by squilookle on 2012-05-08 12:46:55 GMT from United States)
I played about with Unity in the betas and really came to like it, although I was using 2D as the normal version was laggy on my computer. The only deal breaker was that I can't stand the way it handles multiple windows - the expose effect thing is much more cumbersome and time consuming than just having a menu listing the open windows pop up, and came to irritate me.
I think HUD is a great thing and it's nice to see a new approach to menus appearing other than the Ribbon. I think, if coupled with voice technology so you could search by speaking, it could become incredibly useful. Other than that, I currently find it a bit of a novelty and cumbersome in most situations (it was useful for Gimp, etc).
Ultimately, I like Ubuntu 12.04 and think it is the best release in a long time, but have gone (not too far) back to KDE on Kubuntu 12.04, which is also an excellent release.
After the fuss while back about the status of Slackware, it was nice to see the donation going to them. Good luck to them.
67 • @55 • Slackel (by mandog on 2012-05-08 12:48:43 GMT from United Kingdom)
I've got Slackel installed the ist question the installer asks use USA, keyboard, answer no and then choose keyboard. language. etc as you desire, as per Salix.
68 • Someone on reddit doesn't understand Distrowatch (by Pearson on 2012-05-08 14:43:53 GMT from United States)
There's a thread with some pretty bad misunderstandings about Distrowatch over at reddit.
69 • Unity (by Nate on 2012-05-08 14:59:23 GMT from United States)
I'm glad to see Unity improving. I think it started with a disadvantage because it had to be released before it was ready, because of the crime that was gnome3; but it has developed a long way and has become a viable desktop.
All it needs now is some more config options, better scroll bars, and some improvements with the launch bar and Unity dash, and I think it will be an excellent desktop.
Ideally, once that happens, I would like to see the mint team incorporate some changes, such as keeping the traditional 1 menu per window system, but include a HUD equivalent.
70 • RE: 68 (by Landor on 2012-05-08 15:00:26 GMT from Canada)
What's all misunderstood in that post? Seems fairly accurate to me other than what he called the PHR, which means little.
Keep your stick on the ice...
71 • @68, 70 Misunderstandings of DW (by DavidEF on 2012-05-08 15:43:53 GMT from United States)
Maybe I misunderstand DW too. I failed to see the misunderstanding in the reddit post. I do disagree with some of the poster's opinions, but they appear to be based on what the person really thinks of DW. No understanding, or lack thereof needed. Oh well! If there ever arrives a "competitor" to DW, I will probably visit it just to see what all the fuss is about, then come back here to talk about it. Maybe Jesse could even do a review of the new website, to get us all up to speed! Yeah!
72 • Slackel_language_packs (by gitane3 on 2012-05-08 16:06:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
"I've got Slackel installed the ist question the installer asks use USA, keyboard, answer no and then choose keyboard. language. etc as you desire, as per Salix."
Thanks for the tip, mandog, but it seems that in Slackel it's not much use in just selecting UK keyboard and locale and language, because if you do the menus still comes out in American English (behavior,center, favorites, that kind of thing).
It's all sorted now. After installation, the user has to download the KDE language pack he/she needs using slapt-get -i kde_ language_of_choice (only Greek and American English are on the installation disk), then in a terminal make the language setting global. I am no fan of KDE, having found Kubuntu rather unwieldy, but having tried Slackel, I could soon get to like it.
Enjoy your Slackel and thanks again :-)
73 • Slackware (by IkeyDoherty on 2012-05-08 16:11:03 GMT from United Kingdom)
The first distribution I ever used was Slackware, I find it quite fitting that a token of
appreciation be given for this milestone in Linux history. An absolutely fantastic
project. Fair play :)
74 • @60 (by fernbap on 2012-05-08 16:12:06 GMT from Portugal)
"It is simply looking at the boot loading order and noticing the first boot device available"
Sorry, no. If you are installing from a live media, it is obvious that the installer should rule the live media out. It makes no difference if the live media is a CD or a pendrive.
The installer installing grub on the live media that it is running from is just stupid.
75 • better measurement system (by Nate on 2012-05-08 16:14:13 GMT from United States)
Perhaps instead of measuring page hits, we could measure the number of downloads a distro has per day. This wouldn't be any more helpful for measuring total users, but it would help measure the number of new users.
We could also measure the number of users who have downloaded a package everyday to identify the number of users. We could do this by having the repository servers every unique IP address they get a request from per day. This would only work for distros with their own repositories, but it would be more accurate.
76 • Slackware Donation (by Smyle on 2012-05-08 16:49:04 GMT from United States)
Awesome choice DW!!!!
77 • Ubuntu and PAE (by Bernard Victor on 2012-05-08 16:55:29 GMT from United Kingdom)
I tried loading Ubuntu 12.04 on my rather elderly machine which has an Athlon 64 processor 3200+, and found that it would not run at all. I also tried Kubuntu with the same result. Am I right in guessing that this processor will not cope with PAE.
How would it be with other varieties such as Xubuntu and other distros which will use 12.04 as their base ?
78 • @77 (by claudecat on 2012-05-08 17:30:12 GMT from United States)
The 3200+ is pae-capable, so something else is going on for you there. Any 12.04 variety will most likely give the same result.
79 • Ubuntu and resources (by Koroshiya Itchy on 2012-05-08 17:52:24 GMT from Belgium)
In my 4-years-old laptop (Core 2 Duo 2.53 MHz, Nvidia GeForce 8800M GTX 512 MB; and 4 GB of RAM ), the latests editions of Ubuntu, including those with Gnome3 and those with Unity, feel less responsive that other Linux distros. The same goes for all other distributions with Gnome3. Of course, they run fine even with the desktop effects activated, but maybe I have just got used to slimmer systems.... In turn, they boot faster, but that is irrelevant to me.
Of course, this is an entirely subjective perception.
80 • @51 Phill re Autohide (by ned on 2012-05-08 18:00:46 GMT from Austria)
"revealing the menu is sort of a two step process ..."
Might very well be the case - maybe I gave up too quickly.
Still I'm wondering a bit: here I am on 10.04 with Gnome, bottom panel on autohide, and _never_ had the problems you describe with the Unity bar in 11.10, without there being a 2-step process to prevent them from happening ...
just put it for a while from the bottom to the left side just to check, but didn't notice it unduly flying out at tje alightest touch.
81 • Various comments about Ubuntu (by ned on 2012-05-08 18:30:28 GMT from Austria)
Ubuntu was mentioned as beta quality software. That was not my experience. Of course my experience is only with 10.04 LTS, but that was - and is - a very pleasant surprise.
Everything just works (TM) and there is lots of software, which just works, too.
Before I was on Debian Lenny and liked it very much, but Ubuntu Lucid was easier to set up and, which is something I wouldn't have thought possible, also is more stable than Lenny. The "rock-stable" Debian did crash a few times on my thinkpad; the "beta-quality" Ubuntu not yet.
82 • #41: Unetbootin (by Caitlyn Martin on 2012-05-08 20:28:45 GMT from United States)
In my experience Unetbootin works very well with some distros but I've run into quite a few where it just does NOT work. Unetbootin doesn't claim to support all distros and unless distros claim explicitly to support it then you cannot assume it will work. It often won't. I agree with Adam Williamson that you cannot blame the distro developers if an external tool they don't choose to support doesn't work.
Is this a bug? Honestly, no. It's rather a set of unrealistic expectations that something will work when nobody at all claims that it will.
83 • No hibernation? Really! (by Caitlyn Maritn on 2012-05-08 21:58:18 GMT from United States)
In case you haven't heard, Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't support hibernation out of the box. See: http://www.thevarguy.com/2012/05/04/ubuntu-12-04s-great-flaw-no-hibernation-feature/ Oh, yes, you can turn it back on and I'm sure many Ubuntu derivatives will do just that.
Funny, on my netbooks and laptop I've always considered hibernation pretty much an essential. I wouldn't agree with the article that it's a "fatal flaw" since it can be turned on without too much hassle. It's just one more decision that the Ubuntu developers have made for their user community that I don't agree with.
84 • @82 (by fernbap on 2012-05-08 21:58:22 GMT from Portugal)
I know unetbootin well, and i am still to find a linux distro that it doesn't manage to work with.
That is not the point. If unetbootin didn't work, the live media iso wouldn't work as well.
The iso started perfectly from the pen, and i used it in live mode for a while to make sure that there were no issues. That means that unetbootin worked.
If something doesn't work, then it is the contents of the iso's fault, not unetbootin's.
I think this should be obvious to anyone...
85 • #84: Sorry, no (by Caitlyn Maritn on 2012-05-08 22:11:21 GMT from United States)
Well... you've confirmed that you don't read my reviews because I've reported a number of distros that don't work with unetbootin and yet, in those cases, the live media iso works perfectly well. One does not equate to the other. I would think that would be obvious to anyone, except maybe you.
Please feel free to continue to ignore my writing.
86 • unetbootin (by claudecat on 2012-05-08 22:26:41 GMT from United States)
FWIW, I used unetbootin for 3 installs of Ubuntu 12.04 (desktop, laptop and netbook) and all went off without a hitch. I did not however install grub2 to the mbr, rather to the root (install) partition, as I prefer legacy grub.
I have occasionally seen installs via unetbootin misidentify drive letters, seeing /dev/sdb as /dev/sda for example. Last one I recall specifically was Fedora a few releases back, It was entirely random, as I was able to reboot and it then saw the drives correctly and installed as expected. Not sure if that may relate to fernbap's issue...
87 • @85 (by fernbap on 2012-05-08 22:45:58 GMT from Portugal)
If you are running from a (correctly) installed iso on a pen, and as long as it boots, then you are running the iso, not the program you used to install it on the pen. The method you used to install the iso on a pen is irrelevant.
And no, there was no confusion with partitions. While running the iso live mode, I mounted partitions from my hd, correctly identified as sda.
Neither the install misindentified any device.
88 • That Ubuntu Wallapaper. (by JD on 2012-05-08 23:40:33 GMT from United States)
I've seen so many people use that new blue wallpaper in Ubuntu. Clearly the default purple wallpaper isn't cutting it as most change it to something to be rid of it. I hope the next one has a little more eye candy.
I know a lot of people do change there wallpaper right away. But I think a lot will agree that wallpaper needs to be changed. It's the default impression. I know it's a silly thing to worry about it but it's a deeper issue showing it's self here that's why we get so passionate about it.
89 • Ubuntu 12.04 (by TheBulldog on 2012-05-09 06:15:52 GMT from United States)
I wonder how many folks have given up on installing Ubuntu (or one of the 'buntu family) because of install errors without researching their problem and trying one of the 'alternative' install CD(s).
90 • Ubuntu 12.04, unetbootin and alternate install (by fox on 2012-05-09 08:38:44 GMT from Canada)
I attempted to install 12.04 onto two netbooks; one required the 32 bit pae version and the other took a 64. Both installations were done with a usb pendrive. Both failed, whether prepared with Ubuntu's usb creator or unetbootin. Both succeeded with unetbootin when prepared with the alternate install iso. In both cases, grub was placed on the correct target drive.
91 • An experiment in looking in from the outside (by Phillip on 2012-05-09 08:58:56 GMT from United Kingdom)
Nice experiment. But you get this with all hobbies etc. Once people learn the termanology and have been using it for a couple of years, they tend to forget about the newbies, its natural to talk using lingo you sometimes forget you are doing it.
92 • Grate review Jesse (by linuxuser on 2012-05-09 11:50:12 GMT from Greece)
Detailed and precise. You helped me find my way through some aspects of Unity and HUD. Thank you.
Time will show if the new paradigm in the Desktop introduced by Canonical, will gain the hearts and minds of the majority of Linux users.
93 • Hardware/software (by Antony on 2012-05-09 11:52:36 GMT from United Kingdom)
My recent Chakra and 12.04 installs via unetbootin were fine.
Chakra & 12.04:
Home-brew desktop (GA-M56-S3 mobo. Athlon 64 4800x2 cpu. 9800gtx. 4gig Geil RAM).
Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop (1.4 Celery Mayo. Intel 915GM gpu. 2gig RAM. Eth BCM4401-B0. Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2]).
It is a shame to see people having problems with certain hardware. I can happily say that the desktop has had many distros thrown at it and it has never refused to play.
The recently acquired (gifted) laptop also, seems a lucky hardware combo, as everything works straight off with its first ever taste of Linux. I am really impressed with it paired with 12.04.
Oh, in my earlier post (2), I meant pointer, rather than cursor - oops.
Oh. oh. Yes, read review again. I liked the concluding paragraphs. Nice work.
94 • distro idea (by Nate on 2012-05-09 13:23:39 GMT from United States)
Here's an idea for a distro: Linux has become more fragmented than an egg in the microwave. A logical solution is to build a distro with the explicit function of being back-compatible with multiple other distros. Debian got close with the "Alien" package, and I think that with some other compatibility software "such as specially built virtual machines" and some redundant packages, we could build a distro which would be compatible with both the debian/ubuntu, slackware, and Red Hat families. It could be an interesting project. I know this idea is kind of doomed, but it's interesting.
95 • Ubuntu 12.04 rescues old laptop (by Patrick on 2012-05-09 14:20:49 GMT from United States)
I rescued an old Compaq P3 1.2GHz with 256MB RAM from the trash and decided to see what I could do with it. I wanted to put a light Debian install on it, but the difficulty was booting an installer. This thing did not have any optical drive and did not seem to be capable of booting from either USB drives or USB CDROM. The only option I could figure out was network boot.
I changed my home network DHCP service from my router to my Sheevaplug, set up a TFTP server and put the Debian netboot image on it. The laptop's boot process would find the Debian image and start it, but the installer would hang after the first screen where you select a language. After messing around with it, trying different Debian netboot images (testing->stable), and failing to get it to work, I decided to try an Ubuntu 12.04 Beta netboot image. I really didn't expect it to work any differently, but it did! Installation worked fine, I selected the LXDE desktop package and after a relatively short install I had a working Lubuntu!
Since then I managed to find another 256MB PC133 stick so now it has 512MB of RAM. I have now tried to run it with Gnome, and Gnome fallback works fine with the extra memory available. Nice little machine for light use like internet browsing and letting the kid play simple games. Thanks, Ubuntu!
96 • @83 no hibernation, really (by ix on 2012-05-09 14:50:54 GMT from Romania)
There is a good reason for disabling hibernate in Ubuntu, as you probably know. I think it's better to disable it than having users losing data because of it. Who wants it can enable it, it's not that difficult.
Anyway, I don't use hibernate, I prefer suspend to ram and shutdown during the night. From my point of view, hibernate isn't much different from shutdown with restore-session. Hibernate is slow and what's worse is that it's buggy, it doesn't work for me, I've just checked out of curiosity.
Suspend to ram uses very little power, I think 1 W/h, if I remember correctly. My advice to everyone: save your work in progress, save it regularly, and (of course) back it up.
97 • Hibernation and suspension (by Anonymous Coward on 2012-05-09 16:29:17 GMT from Spain)
First thing I do when I install a new system: compile a new kernel.
One of the things I always take away from the kernel: suspension capabilities.
I am lucky and my computers suspend and hibernate with no problems, but some other equipments are not so easy going. Having suspension disabled by default is not helping with hardware incompatibility: the newbie will enable it, suspend and discover he cannot wake up. I'd rather have a warning in the documentation than having the suspension/hibernation disabled by default in the distribution.
98 • The Everydistro! (by DavidEF on 2012-05-09 17:54:50 GMT from United States)
I actually like your distro idea. It would be cool to be able to install ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING, well, at least until virus writers found out about it. The door usually swings both ways. Still, I'd try it out. It really would be more convenient to use for some people. And the viruses-in-the-wild count is sure to never reach, let alone top, that of Windows.
99 • The everydistro (by fernbap on 2012-05-09 19:51:18 GMT from Portugal)
Technically, it is possible.
You make packages with the app and all its dependencies, install it in an individual folder, and make it load all dependencies from that folder alone.
In fact, i think i heard of something on these lines a while ago.
100 • @99 (by Patrick on 2012-05-09 20:04:50 GMT from United States)
Unfortunately, everyone would be complaining that this piece-of-junk-distro would be using much more memory than any other distro, since most libraries would be reloaded per application instead of shared. Never mind the flexibility you'd get in return or the fact that it would still hardly put a dent in the available memory on most systems. Or the fact that low-RAM-use nuts would not be the target of the distro: they would demand it had to do this AND use very little RAM at the same time anyway.
101 • @99 (by zolliger on 2012-05-09 21:39:08 GMT from Germany)
haiku does it someway...
102 • @100 (by fernbap on 2012-05-09 23:17:40 GMT from Portugal)
Sure, although some stuff could be optimized, like putting gtk in a gtk folder, kde libs on a kfe libs folder, etc.
As to security, selinux would take care of it.
Anyway, not a bad idea.
103 • Linux hardware support (by Caitlyn Maritn on 2012-05-10 07:13:45 GMT from United States)
My latest article for O'Reilly Media, "Linux Hardware Support Myths and Legends", has been published at: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2012/05/linux-hardware-support-myths-a.html Enjoy!
Oh, and yes, this is a tiny bit of shameless self-promotion. :)
104 • Wary Puppy to the rescue (by dial_up on 2012-05-10 07:31:45 GMT from United States)
Anyone who is stuck with dail-up or may be where it's the only option, I suggest having a copy of the Wary CD (and a thumb drive). On a whim, I'd gotten it along with some other disks a couple months ago and it proved invaluable when a hard drive went last weekend.
Thank you Puppy Team!!
105 • @ Hibernation and suspension (by greg on 2012-05-10 07:52:23 GMT from Slovenia)
Sleep and other forms of powermangement has been working flawlesly on windows since 95.i have an old custom built 486 runnign win95 where monitor even shows stage of sleep using LED lights. 3 lines=full power, 2 lines monitor off, 1 line computer sleeping. In linux it's a hit and miss and then it's hardwares fault until you find out it's actualy kernel bugs.
For example with 12.04 hibernaiton works perfectly except i loose sound¸after mashcine wakes up. it simply says dummy output and acts like no sound card is in mashicne. in suspend/sleep the computer goes to sleep but never wakes up. or rather it seems it wakes up (disks working, processor powering up and working) but the monitor stays in sleep mode. never had such issues with any windows so far (haven't used Vista). turns out it's a kernel bug as others have it as well. serioulsy? no one tested if it can sleep or hibernate?
it's not an environemnt friendly OS if it can't have at least a bit of power management. it's not even a modern os if majority of modern standard hardware has a non working powermanagement funcitons.
i have to admint that hibernaiton does work perfectly on old Compaq 1,2Ghz, 256 MB ram. but that's a computer from the begginnging of previous decade,
106 • Ubuntu & Slackware (by uz64 on 2012-05-10 07:57:40 GMT from United States)
First off, boo on the new Ubuntu. But because it was reviewed by Jesse, I knew its review would show it in glowing colors.
And second, I'm glad Slackware was the recipient of this month's donation. While I admittedly don't run it (I tend to run Debian or its derivatives for its extremely large package repositories and dependency-checking package management system) and have only played around with the "real deal" Slackware distribution, I used to run Zenwalk back when I first got into Linux back around 2006. I was really disappointed to find out that Patrick's been having a hard time keeping the Slackware site up, wished I could help somehow, but I've got some serious money problems myself right now. Hopefully the financial and hardware problems go away sometime soon enough for Slackware... I know it's got to be hard for them when they don't have a massive worldwide team like Debian, the commercial backing of Red Hat, or a rich South African guy like Ubuntu. They've got one hell of a loyal fanbase and creator though, given that he's kept it going for almost two decades. That's amazing. Now *that's* what I call dedicated.
107 • Stability (by Koroshiya Itchy on 2012-05-10 08:50:54 GMT from Belgium)
I used Ubuntu from the very first version in 2005 to the end 2009. Since them I have tried some releases.
I use Debian since the end of 2009. All branches: stable, testing and unstable. I have Debian installed in my Clevo laptop, my wife's old HP laptop, my mom's old IBM Thinkpad T40, my mother in law's cheap desktop, my powerful home workstation and I also use it in several systems at work. Nothing is perfect, but Debian stable is one of the most reliable pieces of code I have ever found. The same goes for RHEL, which I also use. I might have experienced some small issues, but never one compromising system-wide stability or hardware integrity.
Installation may not always work as expected? It is possible. Rare, but possible. But, then, that is the case with every OS, I guess. But with Debian Stable, I have always found a solution or workaround to every problem. Except, of course, when dealing with certain closed-source proprietary drivers, but there is no much Debian can do about it. In fact, before complaining about one distro or another, normally I try to understand the nature of the problem and try to find a solution or workaround.
With Ubuntu I have mixed experiences, some releases are pretty good, others are plagued with bugs. Sometimes real show-stoppers. When a freshly installed Ubuntu destroyed my filesystem in 2009 I decided not not play in the casino any more.
Of course, we have a proverb that goes "each one speaks of the fair according to the deals he made". Meaning that if you made a good deal you will say it was a lively and fantastic fair and if you did not you will say it was a poor small fair ;-)
108 • Bias (by Antony on 2012-05-10 11:22:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
Come on, uz64. The review was clearly not biased in favour of Ubuntu - I thought it was pretty well balanced and fair.
I am not an Ubuntu fanatic by the way - my flirtations with Ubuntu probably account for about 1% of my time with Linux. No distro (or anything) is perfect but overall, all things considered, I think 12.04 appears to have the makings of the most complete and modern, general-purpose distro available.
Note, that I do not say 'best distro', because such a thing does not exist. Instead, what you do have is an extremely wide range of expectation and needs. If a thing 'lets us down', it is actually us, who are responsible for the 'let down' because of our expectation based on our particular orientation. The 'object' is, in a way, kind of inert in terms of providing 'satisfaction' -- it simply 'is what it is'.
Any thing, inevitably, will be considered to be compromised. This is simply the result of being _some thing in particular_ . Basically, what I'm trying to say is that all the stupid elitism and fanaticism (universally) is ridiculous - it's nothing to do with a perfect - or, more valid, this or that - that is all bogus.
And, before someone says that compromise can be eradicated - well, I don't think so. Sure, any thing can/will transform or evolve, but whatever that thing becomes - it is still some thing _in particular_.
While 12.04/Unity is NOT perfect, all things considered, I believe it is currently the least 'incomplete' example of a 'general-purpose' distro. I am still adjusting to it and maybe at some point something will cause me to eat my words but at the moment, it seems that having experimented a bit, then the logic slowly starts to form and build. I think that is half the trouble - people will just write something off (as I did, too) before even trying it. And it's no good, either, to just spend 5 minutes looking at it before saying it has no value.
109 • @98 (by Nate on 2012-05-10 15:54:29 GMT from United States)
I agree that viruses would be a major issue with this hypothetical distro. And everyone is right that the memory usage would be so high, users would be guaranteed to have to use virtual mem. It would have about 3 times the normal hardware requirements. Users with older machines would be a major problem. This distro would probably have the worst hardware support of all time. I will be surprised if anyone tries to make this distro; and even more surprised if it ever makes a 1.0 release. Aside from some version management issues, I'm pretty sure shared libraries would be possible in this distro.
As a 0.0.1 release for "Trunk Linux," if it existed, I guess we could take CentOS, add a few virtual machines with Slack, Ubuntu, and Debian, and use shared files and user management. It wouldn't be perfect, but it could work.
110 • @109 (by TobiSGD on 2012-05-10 16:43:43 GMT from Germany)
Something at least somewhat similar has already been tried, but is now dormant: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gobo
111 • correction (by linuxuser on 2012-05-10 17:05:29 GMT from Greece)
I meant "Great review" of course. Sorry.
112 • @109 (by fernbap on 2012-05-10 18:21:42 GMT from Portugal)
Interesting that you discard the concept because of memory usage, while at the same time advocating the use of virtual machines to basically duplicate RAM usage and storage place for each virtual machine.
You can "surround" each app with all its needs while at the same time keeping it enclosed in a secure environment.
Basically, the middle term between a tradicional distro and the solution you yourself provided, the use of virtual machines.
113 • The Everydistro (by DavidEF on 2012-05-10 18:25:31 GMT from United States)
Steer hard right, guys! What post #94 is talking about is not having every desktop environment imagineable (gtk+, kde, etc.), or some convoluted way to install lots of unneeded dependencies for different versions of programs. What it's about is being able to use multiple package formats, and other installation options, on one machine.
Starting with the alien package, and thinking in that direction, just a little further out, is all we're talking about. The desired end result would be the ability to use whatever package (or source, or whatever) you want, from whatever repository, or ppa, or download location you want, to install whatever application you want.
114 • The Everydistro could be just a package manager! (by DavidEF on 2012-05-10 18:39:53 GMT from United States)
What would be really cool would be for someone to make a GUI application that would be the missing link between distros for package compatibility. All it would need to be is a package manager that could handle deb, rpm, yum, pkg, etc. as well as compiling from source, all from the comfort of a point-and-click interface, with dependency resolution that could be disabled if need be, and some sort of version management.
115 • EveryDistro Package Manager (by Barnabyh on 2012-05-10 19:45:02 GMT from United Kingdom)
Well, there are tools like alien, rmp2tgz, and even deb2tgz, although the author warned against relying on its accuracy too much.
All these could be a start for an integrated package manager, and could for sure be improved.,
116 • @113,114 (by TobiSGD on 2012-05-10 19:52:44 GMT from Germany)
If it would be so simple it would already have been done. But a simple "package translator" can't work for more than a few simple packages. Different distros (besides using different versions) compile different packages with different options and different optional dependencies. Even distributions that are package-compatible, like Debian/Ubuntu or openSuse/Fedora, don't have to be (and often aren't) binary compatible. You can't just take a package from a different distribution, install it and expect it to work.
I can think of only two ways to prevent those incompatibilities:
1. Every application needs its own safe environment with its dependencies.
2. Don't use binary packages, source only.
117 • @114 (by Patrick on 2012-05-10 19:54:02 GMT from United States)
The difficulty is not the GUI, the difficulty is in the different package databases, syncing them and keeping track of dependencies across the different systems. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
I really don't see why I should be interested in such a system either. Everything I need tends to be in my distro's repository, why get it from another place? Why would I want to go back to the bad old Windows days of hunting down packages from different sources across the web, of unknown quality, compatibility and security, having to fear trojans and spyware that might be embedded in them? I'll safely get my software from a repository, and if it's not there, I'll compile it from source, thank you.
118 • RE: The Everydistro could be just a package manager! (by Anonymous Coward on 2012-05-10 19:58:20 GMT from Spain)
What would be really cool would be for someone to make a GUI application that would be the missing link between distros for package compatibility. All it would need to be is a package manager that could handle deb, rpm, yum, pkg, etc. as well as compiling from source, all from the comfort of a point-and-click interface, with dependency resolution that could be disabled if need be, and some sort of version management.
This does not fix the real problem.
Many distributions use patched packages, or apps compiled against libraries that are not placed in standard folders, or packages which contain modules that work only with certain versions of the kernel compiled with certain options...
In other words: the ability to place a binary on your system does not mean you will be able to run it.
One of the main reasons people uses a distribution or another is package management. Most Slackers use Slackware because they like "installpkg" and such. Most Debianers use Debian because they like "Synaptic/Aptitude/Apt-get". Replacing that with a "super manager to rule them all" is not going to like them...
By the way, I don't think this represents a big problem with FOSS software. If you have the source, you can compile it for your system (and make a package for it, either a "professional" one or a clumsy one with Checkinstall). Even taking a package from another distribution and repackaging it for yours might work if you are careful (either with Alien or manually). The problem may come with proprietary apps designed for a certain distribution, so I won't go there.
Fragmentation of package management is not that horrible. If something FOSS runs under Linux, you can make it run on almost any distribution with not much effort. Proprietary binary stuff might be a problem, but proprietary binary stuff is known to be sluggish and evil and apocalyptic so no problem here :-)
119 • 2 candidates for a Universal Package Manager (by RollMeAway on 2012-05-11 03:27:32 GMT from United States)
Smart Package Manager:
Both aim to be cross platform (.rpm, .deb, etc), but not simultaneously.
They want to be a common interface, regardless of the back end tools used.
These might be a half step in the universal direction.
120 • Reply (by Nate on 2012-05-11 04:08:09 GMT from United States)
@112: I know the memory usage would be horrible. This could be partially fixed with some very specific kernel work.
@113: I'm not just proposing a program which allows us to install packages from other distros, I'm proposing we build a distro so that not only can the software be downloaded, but it works. Basically, a distro which is compatible with other distro families.
BTW: While I favor better compatibility between them, I actually like it when distros include multiple desktops in one installation. Unix is all about a multi-user environment, and different users have different needs and preferences; therefor multiple environments should be included for the sake of the users.
@114: This would need to be more than a package manager. There is more to software than installing it. One must use it as well, I'm proposing a fix for the compatibility problems with usage, not installation.
@116: You are pointing out the exact problem I'm proposing a prototypical fix for, and My plan is a slightly integrated version of plan A. It's not just enough for the software to install, it has to function as well. Same goes to you #118.
@118: Of the 150+ real Linux users I have met, I have never met anyone who preferred a distro for its package manager.
Also, I agree a package manager overhaul is in order "Thank you Ubuntu and Red Hat for making baby steps in the right direction," but that is only a symptom of the real problem of incompatibility. While different distros have access to different packages, this is mainly because they are calibrated for different, only semi-compatible systems. If we could build a multi-distro compatible distro, this wouldn't be as much of a problem, and package management would degrade from a symptom of a larger fragmentation issue, to a legacy nuisance.
121 • Addition to 118 (by Landor on 2012-05-11 04:20:32 GMT from Canada)
It was touched on about different folders in above for libraries. That's not the only thing. A lot of distributions use different folders in general. The file system structure varies from distribution to distribution. What's placed in the corresponding folders changes as well.
There's so many underlying factors that it's completely ludicrous to even contemplate such a 'cross-distribution' system. System init, also as stated earlier, different versions of compilers and kernels. Though things like this aren't always an issue, rarely. Even dependencies and patches aren't that much of an issue unless something actually breaks, which can happen, however infrequent.
Basically, if you want to run a binary from any distribution and you know the dependencies are met, just decompress it usually and you should be able to launch it right from that directory/folder. Then just create a launcher for it like you would say for an install of Firefox out of your home directory.
It's funny that this topic gets rehashed here every few years as if it's something new.
Keep your stick on the ice...
122 • Also (by Nate on 2012-05-11 04:19:35 GMT from United States)
Also, while not my main point, everyone is right that we should build an overhauled package manager. However, until the software is binary compatible, by real or fake means, this would be futile.
However, if anyone ever builds "Trunk Linux" as I'm calling it, or "The Everydistro", which sounds like a banned medication, and the software could at least function; I think it would be a great idea to build an overhauled package manager. Without some compatibility, it wouldn't have a chance of working, but if we make a distro where the software can run in its own stable environment, it could work. In theory.
123 • Donation to Slackware (by Claus Futtrup on 2012-05-11 16:23:22 GMT from Denmark)
Congratulations to Slackware for the DW Donation. In my humble and personal opinion a good choice. I wish this project to be healthy and continue for many years to come.
124 • unetbootin (by Jack on 2012-05-11 16:33:58 GMT from South Africa)
I concur - unetbootin only works very occasionally - must admit I havent used it in a while as it was too flaky.
That being said, why doesnt each distro also deploy a poor mans install - it would sure solve a bunch of hassles.
And blame - one shouldnt have to burn ISO and go thru all the junk media hassles - read that as DVD y'all
125 • slackware (by stratus on 2012-05-12 01:37:42 GMT from India)
I happy to see Slackware receive the donation. Paticks and his team's attitude towards stability is greatly appreciated.
I have tried archbang for my Lenovo ideapad s10, it didn't install. I tried Ubuntu 12.04 and surprised to see that broken installation. Give up. And going back to Antix-m11 it works out of the box fine. SoluOS seems to be promising. One thing which make the people to jump distro is old versions of applcations; especially Openoffice, Gimp, Inkscape and other preferred applications in their selections. They like to have the new versions of their everyday applications. I see SoluOS will take care of that and going to be popular. I am yet to try SoluOS on my Lenovo s10 with 2GB Ram.
For those who have Lenovo s10, by now realize that debian still a good OS. It is faster than Ubuntu also.
Wish you all happy distro testing.
126 • The Everydistro (by Koroshiya Itchy on 2012-05-12 07:26:52 GMT from Belgium)
I am not sure whether or not this chimeric distro is desirable. What it would be desirable is in my opinion some dregree of standardisation in the Linux landscape. One thing is freedom and diversity and another is, for instance, having a different system tree from one distribuition to another (not even from one distribution family to another, but even within the same family there are often considerable divergences). I believe an effort should be made for standardisation, which could even include BSD and other UNIXes.
127 • @77 (by osoloco on 2012-05-12 12:04:30 GMT from Ecuador)
I was able to intsall Ubuntu Studio (Xfce) in an Athlon 64 processor 3000+ without problems. Not a big fan of Ubuntu, but so far running smoothly.
128 • compatibility (by julian on 2012-05-12 12:43:55 GMT from United States)
i normally install several packages that are binary/proprietary on my computer and am not too interested in running a distro that might not be compatible. flash, Dropbox, Skype , & Google voice... available for all major deb/rpm distros but of questionable usefulness on the likes of slackware/salix/Arch. If I could be sure hey'd work on Salix or slackware with rpm2tgz i'd want to b usin the slackware family. Th open source stuff? all of it has excellent cross-distro compatibility.
129 • @128 (by Barnabyh on 2012-05-12 16:54:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hello Julian, this one is easy. Slackware has a great repository at slackbuilds.org, and with installing sbopkg, or the Sourcery graphical front end in Salix, you can access it directly without having to download and run the script by hand for every single package. That said, even this is not hard if you've got a bit of time on a Sunday afternoon.
Flash is there, and Slackware in 13.37 even already includes the browser plugin in the main distro repository (I believe it's in extra or some sub folder).
Looking for Skype you get this selection: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=skype&sv=13.37. It even uses the source, not a repackaged rpm file. Similarly, I just installed the Google-voice-talk plugin not long ago from here http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.37/multimedia/google-talkplugin/. I leave Dropbox as an exercise to you, but it's there too, together with SpiderOak. So I'm never sure what people are talking about when they go on about Slackware being outdated and unavailability of packages.
See, there's no excuse not to try now. I think it's the same for Arch, just take a look at the AUR, but haven't been using the ArchBang now for a while.
130 • SolusOS 1 Eveline (by tdockery97 on 2012-05-12 18:04:44 GMT from United States)
Having run SolusOS since the first alpha build through RC4, I've installed the final the day it was released. I have to comment that it is the finest Debian Squeeze based distro I have tried, and I've tried them all. The special configurations that Ikey, Justin and the team have made resulted in a fast, stable system with a small memory footprint for a Gnome 2 based system. I understand the 64-bit version is to be released within days. I highly recommend SolusOS for anyone wishing to use Debian stable with up-to-date applications installed out-of-the box.
131 • ATI Radion and new distros (by TheBulldog on 2012-05-12 18:44:24 GMT from United States)
I have an older box with an NF7S motherboard, ATI Radeon video, and 2GB of RAM that ran Mageia 1 just fine, but I couldn't get Mageia 2 to run (because of video problems -- and yes, I tried many of the suggestions from Mageia's forums). I also couldn't get Ubuntu(s) to run initially, until I went to the alternate CDs. When I tried Ubuntu, I received a logon error on the first boot after installation and an error report was generated for Canonical. Rhythmbox wouldn't run, generating an error and another error report for Canonical. I removed and reinstalled Rhythmbox and it ran successfully that time. I'm going to give the computer to a family member and wanted something that would be stable, with a good range of applications, and would help them transition from Windows to Linux without too much effort. Surprisingly, I ended up with Zorin-OS 3.2 LTS. It's stable, everything they're likely to use it for works, and for this older hardware, it just seems like a good fit.
I'll try the newer distros on newer hardware.
132 • Tails 0.11 (by Dave on 2012-05-12 22:25:04 GMT from Sweden)
I'm trying out Tails 0.11 today. Usually, I run it as a client with Virtualbox, but I using it booted from a USB thumb drive. I have to say the Persistent Data feature works really wall. My 4gb thumb drive has a 2.6gb persistent folder that's encryped and password protected. When I put the thumb drive in another computer, it asks for the password and opens the folder. Now I can transfer files from a Tails computer to a non-Tails computer without needing 2 thumb drives. The thumb drive works ok moving files between Linux systems. My Mac couldn't open the persistent folder though. Haven't tried it in a Windows machine yet.
I use Tails a lot, because my ISP blocks lots of websites. In fact they block Distrowatch.com. Tails is the only way I can get to this website. I'm booted from the thumb drive on my laptop as I type this.
133 • Re: 132 • Tails 0.11 (by Anon on 2012-05-13 10:23:56 GMT from Norway)
Hi Dave, which Swedish ISP is that? I am asking because I have a very hard time believing any officially registered ISP in Sweden would block Distrowatch.com, or any other site for that matter.
However, my understanding may be faulty, so it would be interesting if you would clarify this.
134 • ISP (by Anonymous Coward on 2012-05-13 13:15:46 GMT from Spain)
Hi Dave, which Swedish ISP is that? I am asking because I have a very hard time believing any officially registered ISP in Sweden would block Distrowatch.com, or any other site for that matter.
If he is using Tails, the country reported is not the country he is connecting from. The ISP he deals with is surely not Swedish.
135 • Mageia 2 RC (by TheBulldog on 2012-05-13 23:00:34 GMT from United States)
I have Mageia 2 RC with the KDE desktop running on a Dell GX280 with Intel 910 video and 2MB of RAM. It's looking pretty good. Gnome next.
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|• Issue 793 (2018-12-10): openSUSE Tumbleweed, finding non-free packages, Debian migrates to usrmerge, Hyperbola gets FSF approval|
|• Issue 792 (2018-1203): GhostBSD 18.10, when to use swap space, DragonFly BSD's wireless support, Fedora planning to pause development schedule|
|• Issue 791 (2018-11-26): Haiku R1 Beta1, default passwords on live media, Slax and Kodachi update their media, dual booting DragonFly BSD on EFI|
|• Issue 790 (2018-11-19): NetBSD 8.0, Bash tips and short-cuts, Fedora's networking benchmarked with FreeBSD, Ubuntu 18.04 to get ten years of support|
|• Issue 789 (2018-11-12): Fedora 29 Workstation and Silverblue, Haiku recovering from server outage, Fedora turns 15, Debian publishes updated media|
|• Issue 788 (2018-11-05): Clu Linux Live 6.0, examining RAM consumpion, finding support for older CPUs, more Steam support for running Windows games on Linux, update from Solus team|
|• Issue 787 (2018-10-29): Lubuntu 18.10, limiting application access to specific users, Haiku hardware compatibility list, IBM purchasing Red Hat|
|• Issue 786 (2018-10-22): elementary OS 5.0, why init keeps running, DragonFly BSD enables virtual machine memory resizing, KDE neon plans to drop older base|
|• Issue 785 (2018-10-15): Reborn OS 2018.09, Nitrux 1.0.15, swapping hard drives between computers, feren OS tries KDE spin, power savings coming to Linux|
|• Issue 784 (2018-10-08): Hamara 2.1, improving manual pages, UBports gets VoIP app, Fedora testing power saving feature|
|• Full list of all issues|
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