| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 450, 2 April 2012
Welcome to this year's 14th issue of DistroWatch Weekly! In terms of public awareness PapugLinux is probably quite close to the bottom of the long list of Linux distributions available today. Yet, like any niche product, this Gentoo-based distro does have its fans and users, and as such, it deserve attention from a website dedicated to free operating systems. Today we have a pleasure to present you with what is possibly the world's first review of PapugLinux, version 11a, written by Caitlyn Martin. In the news section, Fedora developers consider making ARM one of their "primary architectures", PC-BSD founder and lead developer Kris Moore recalls his beginnings as a coder and system administrator, and the developers of Russia's AgiliaLinux talk about their work on the Slackware-inspired distribution with a number of interesting improvements. Also in this week's issue you'll find Jesse Smith's list of top ten Linux applications. And if you missed Robert Storey's parody on GNOME 4 as presented here on April 1st, you'll be pleased to know that it's included in this week's issue for your reading pleasure. Enjoy!
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|Feature Story (by Caitlyn Martin)
Taking an in-depth look at PapugLinux 11.1a|
I've always been interested in small and lightweight Linux distributions. One of the nice things about following DistroWatch regularly is that I see release announcements for distros that I may have missed, ones which may have a very different take on how to fill a given niche. PapugLinux is such a distro. It's a live CD designed to work well on legacy hardware but which also can be installed and updated. To quote the project's website: "The goal of PapugLinux is to provide a minimal but functional free operating system and to be runable on most computers, from 128 MB old systems to the latest powerful configurations."
What makes PapugLinux unusual among lightweight Linux offerings is that it's a derivative of Gentoo Linux, a source-based distribution. Since source-based distros assume you're going to compile all your additional software and updates I wondered how this could possibly work well on old hardware with limited memory and processing power.
I don't have any really old hardware laying around nowadays so I decided to try PapugLinux on the least powerful system I have, my two-and-a-half-year old HP Mini 110 netbook. It sports a 1.6 GHz Intel Atom N270 processor, 2 GB RAM, an on-board Intel GMA 950 graphics chipset, and a 16 GB SSD in lieu of a hard drive.
PapugLinux is provided as a single CD image and is just 270 MB in size. There is only a 32-bit x86 build available. PapugLinux also offers the option to run entirely cached in RAM provided you have 1 GB of memory or more.
Running as a live CD or live USB
Since my netbook doesn't have a CD-ROM drive built in I decided to try running PapugLinux as a live USB. I used UNetbootin to copy the ISO image to an old 1 GB USB stick and successfully booted from that. I was presented with six options on a graphical menu:
I decided to try the Copy2Ram option first. As you would expect this leads to a fairly long boot process. PapugLinux is somewhat unusual in that it does not use a display manager at all. By default it automatically logs in as an unprivileged user called papuglinux, starts X Window System and loads the Fluxbox desktop.
PapugLinux Safe Copy2Ram
Run Memtest Utility
PapugLinux 11.1a - the Fluxbox 1.1.1 default desktop
(full image size: 356kB, screen resolution 1024x576 pixels)
The HP netbook uses a Broadcom 4312 chipset which is used in a wide variety of laptops and netbooks. While PapugLinux loaded it appeared to recognize both Ethernet and wireless chipsets in the netbook but when the system actually came up wicd reported that no wireless chipset was detected. This was disappointing since Gentoo does package firmware for an assortment of Broadcom chips including the 4312. On a somewhat happier note, all my other hardware was correctly detected and working, including sound, video, wired networking and various forms of removable media.
Using PapugLinux 11.1a
The default PapugLinux desktop includes Fluxbox 1.1.1, ROX Filer 1.6.3, and a system status display generated by Conky. AbiWord 2.8.6, Gnumeric 1.10.1 and the Calcoo calculator are the office applications included out of the virtual box. gv is also listed in the Office menu but it isn't actually included. PapugLinux offers a nice variety of multimedia applications including GQview 2.1.5, Audacious 2.4.4, GNOME MPlayer 1.0.0, Ogle 0.9.2, Xfburn 0.4.3, ROX-iso and ROX-ripper. Codecs for most popular audio and video formats as well as everything needed to play DVDs are included.
Firefox 3.6.17, Sylpheed 3.0.3, gFTP 2.0.19 and Pidgin 2.9.0 are all included. I was a bit surprised that Firefox was chosen over any of the lightweight browsers available considering one of the goals of the distro is to run well on legacy hardware with very limited resources. I was also surprised to find that no graphics applications were present. There are a handful of games: xtris, xgalaga, scavenger, xgammon, and xmille.
PapugLinux 11.1a - desktop with menu
(full image size: 359kB, screen resolution 1024x576 pixels)
Most smaller live CD distros don't include a compiler or tools for developers. In a source-based distribution that can be installed and updated these are pretty much essential. PapugLinux does include GCC as well as three editors: ROX-edit, vim and nano. Web developers will be pleased to see that Bluefish is also included, but it's a rather dated version 1.0.7.
The System tools menu allows the ability to choose between three keyboard layouts: French, Polish and US English. There is a graphical tool to change screen resolution but that simply did not work on my netbook. A truly unusual choice for a live CD/USB distro is dvdisaster 0.7.0, an error correction system for creating fault tolerant optical media archives.
After booting up the default desktop without the Copy2Ram option and with no applications open my system idled at 79 MB of RAM used according to the Conky display. This confirms the claim that the distro will run in 128 MB of RAM, though depending on the applications used the system may hit swap pretty hard. PapugLinux should run very well on systems with 256 MB of RAM.
The default installation includes sudo but it hasn't been configured for the default papuglinux user. I find this more than a bit odd. In addition, no graphical front-ends to su or sudo are included. If you want to run a graphical application as root, for example the emelFM2 0.7.5 file manager, you need to open a terminal window, use su to gain root access, and invoke it from the command line.
PapugLinux 11.1a - the emelFM2 file manager
(full image size: 213kB, screen resolution 1024x576 pixels)
Except for the minor quibbles I've already noted I really didn't have any problems running PapugLinux 11.1a. There were no show-stopping bugs. Performance was very good on my netbook whether or not I loaded the full OS into RAM. I suspect the Copy2Ram option would make a bigger difference on hardware which is considerably older or more limited than my netbook.
Installation, Configuration and Updating
As the instructions on the PapugLinux website make clear, installing to a hard drive is something of a manual process. You need to create and format your partitions first; it isn't handled by the installer. While GParted doesn't appear in the menu it is included in the CD image for this purpose. You then invoke the installation script as per the instructions, specifying both the root and swap devices that hold your newly created partitions. On my system I used /dev/sda3 for swap and /dev/sda4 for root.
The installation script displayed one simple message:
PapugLinux will now be installed on /dev/sda4 and will use /dev/sda3 as swap space.
From that point forward the only visual clues were the occasional flashing of light on the USB stick and the hard drive light. Once the system copy was completed the installer displayed:
Installing PapugLinux in :/mnt/install
PapugLinux has been installed.
The instructions on the website make clear that the bootloader install script does not know about or deal with other operating systems or Linux distributions. I followed the recommendation to add PapugLinux to my existing bootloader manually.
If you need to setup your hard disk boot-record, please launch './install-boot.sh'
Once I booted into my new installation I essentially had a clone of the live CD/USB. The installation script doesn't handle setting a root password or setting up user accounts as most distribution installers do. You are still automatically logged in as papuglinux without a password and the root password is unchanged. Setting up accounts and securing the system is left up to the user after installation.
It took one command to resolve my wireless issue:
This not only downloaded the firmware but also downloaded, compiled and installed b43-fwcutter from the Gentoo portage system. At the next boot my wireless worked perfectly.
Updating the installation proved to be far less straightforward and far more time consuming. Updating Portage (the first step) required newer versions of GCC and glibc. The two packages had circular dependencies, meaning each required the other be installed first. I had to install a binary of the glibc library from the Gentoo tinderbox system and then proceed with my updates. Two and a half days later I had a full-blown, up-to-date Gentoo system with a PapugLinux look and feel. I shudder to think how long this would take on a legacy system with an old processor and far less RAM.
If you're looking for a live CD or live USB system that's fast and lightweight and have no intention of installing it or updating it then PapugLinux may be a good choice for you. The developers do meet their goal of creating a live CD distro that can run well on older and limited hardware. For anyone with a modicum of Linux experience the live CD shouldn't be difficult to use.
If you're a seasoned Gentoo user looking for a ready-to-go lightweight build then PapugLinux may also be appealing. However, for anyone else looking for a lightweight distro to install to an older or otherwise limited system there are certainly choices that are easier and less time-consuming to install, configure, update and maintain. The complexities of PapugLinux and the time required to compile all the necessary software on an older system really appear when you try and install the distro and then update it.
PapugLinux is very much a niche distro. If you fit into one of the niches the developers designed for then it may well be worth a look.
|Humour (by Robert Storey)
Special report: GNOME 4 - the future of portability|
Your future is all used up.
-- Marlene Dietrich speaking to Orson Welles in Touch of Evil
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Almost exactly one year ago, GNOME 3 was released with much fanfare. But to the surprise of many, it was not warmly welcomed. Indeed, it has polarized the Linux community, mainly because it was such a radical departure from the familiar and popular GNOME 2. Although some praised the new interface, it seemed that many more geeks were not impressed, leading to a rather bitter war of words on various online community forums.
The main reason for all the controversy was that GNOME 3 boasted a much "cleaner" interface. By "clean," I mean that the desktop was far less cluttered. Visible menus and icons were far fewer than in GNOME 2, but the trade-off was that to access all the features of GNOME 3 it was necessary to use various esoteric keyboard combinations, including CTRL, ALT, SHIFT and even the previously-unused Windows key. In addition, right-mouse clicks and "hot corners" are crucial to making GNOME 3 functional. Many users feel that GNOME 3 is less intuitive than GNOME 2, and that productivity may suffer as a result.
The reasoning behind all this was to save screen real estate so that GNOME 3 could be run on the new generation of small-sized portable devices such as netbooks, tablets, and smart phones. With hot competition from Apple, Google and (to a lesser extent) Microsoft, GNOME developers decided that Linux could not afford to be left behind. If portability is the future, then GNOME must adapt.
Another way to view the situation: GNOME 2 was "desktop-centric" while GNOME 3 is "application-centric." That is to say, when you're in GNOME 3, the application takes over the screen and the rest of the desktop basically disappears. That can be a useful feature when screen real estate is scarce, but it makes it harder to get an overview of the many other important functions that a desktop computer can perform.
The previous solution to this dilemma was to simply run two totally different Linux interfaces: one interface for a desktop computer (i.e. GNOME 2) and something else (i.e. Android) for a portable device. By trying to be both, GNOME 3 may be guilty of overreach, trying to do too many things at once. The result is a compromise that satisfies no one. One of the critics of this approach includes Linus Torvalds, who wrote to GNOME developers in a now famous Google+ post: "I want my sane interfaces back. I have yet to meet anybody who likes the unholy mess that is GNOME_3!"
Seeing the lack of love being heaped on GNOME 3, several projects were born to preserve GNOME 2. Examples include MATÉ (a GNOME 2 fork by Argentine hacker Perberos), Cinnamon (GNOME 3 extensions to make it resemble GNOME 2), and Ubuntu's Unity which ditches GNOME altogether.
GNOME 4 - the Swiss Army knife
Despite the backlash, not everyone agrees that GNOME 3 was overambitious. Indeed, one experienced GNOME developer assured me that the opposite was true. "The real problem with GNOME 3," he said, "is that it wasn't ambitious enough. We made too many compromises to suit desktop users. In fact, computers that do useful work are so 20th century - we've moved on."
Thus, rather than compromise with GNOME 4, developers have doubled-down. While GNOME 3 sought to bridge the gap between desktop and portable devices, GNOME 4 goes one step further - it's meant to power ALL computing devices, even those which don't have a keyboard, mouse or screen. As such, it offers a refreshing break from the rigid, specialized operating systems of the past. Thus, we have one interface which can run anywhere. Think of it as a Swiss Army knife - one device that does everything, none of them well.
Figure 1 - the Swiss Army Knife
No doubt that after its final release, GNOME 4 will be bundled as the default desktop in many distros. For the beta version that I tested, you've got to download and install it as a separate package which you can find on SourceForge. As an Ubuntu user, I had to install GNOME 4 from a DEB file, but RPM packages are also available. After installing, I did a reboot and then, at the login screen, selected GNOME 4 as my desktop manager. I was soon greeted by the cheerful GNOME 4 default screen which, I can confidentially say, has the cleanest interface I've ever seen on my monitor except when it's turned off.
One glance at the following screenshot and I think that all will agree that the GNOME developers have really outdone themselves this time. It's obvious that they've given the whole "desktop" metaphor a complete rethink. Gone are menus, icons, task bars, minimize and maximize buttons, the archaic Start button, wallpapers or even a command prompt. Rather, we are presented with a pleasant default blue screen (note that the color is non-configurable). It is the bold simplicity of this approach that makes GNOME 4 so powerful.
Figure 2 - the GNOME 4 desktop
The great advantage of this uncluttered screen design is that it allows GNOME 4 to be configured for numerous devices besides desktop computers, tablets or cell phones. For example, developers have already ported GNOME 4 to other useful devices such GPSs, headless servers, digital rectal thermometers, water meters, garage door openers and intercontinental ballistic missiles. Thus, the official GNOME 4 motto is "One interface, run anywhere!" Advocates for disability rights are particularly enthused by GNOME 4, believing that it could be the first GUI system that puts seeing and totally blind users on an equal footing.
Although newbies might at first be put off by the seemingly blank GNOME 4 screen, more experienced users should have no trouble learning the simple keystroke combinations that allow one access to thousands of powerful Linux applications. For example, if you want to start Firefox, Chrome, or any other web browser, all you've got to do is hold down the CTRL-ALT-F12-SysReq-Scroll_Lock keys simultaneously while typing "browser", which will pop up a menu displaying all the browsers currently available on your system, inviting you to choose one by hitting ESC and typing the browser's name. If you want to start an editor, just do the same key combination and type "editor." What could be simpler?
Actually, I need to backtrack and point out in the above example that I am talking about the left CTRL-ALT keys. In GNOME 4, the left and right CTRL-ALT and Windows keys serve different functions. In fact, if you use the right keys in the CTRL-ALT-F12-SysReq-Scroll_Lock example, rather than start your browser you will instead take a screenshot. And instead of hitting ESC, if you hit the TAB key, your machine will automatically burn a CD. Now all this might at first sound complicated, but I'm happy to report that after a few dozen attempts, I got the hang of it. The learning curve of GNOME 4 is short and sweet, and in no time at all you'll be able to start applications, print and even connect to the Internet. Everything you need to do on your computer is no more than a few hundred key strokes away.
Shutting down can be a bit tricky. As yet, there is no icon, menu or keystroke combination to turn off the machine. However, this does not mean that shutting down is difficult. Indeed, on a desktop computer, all you need to shut down is pull out the power cord from the wall socket. Sadly, the on/off button is disabled in GNOME 4, but the good news is that the developers have promised to add this feature to GNOME 5. Meanwhile, if you're running GNOME 4 on a portable device with a battery (i.e. laptop, netbook, tablet or smart phone), pulling out the power cord (if any) won't shut down, so you'll have to remove the battery as well, though in most cases this is pretty easy. If using an iPad or similar device (where the battery is internal and cannot be removed by the user), you must return the device to the manufacturer to shut it off.
Naysayers be damned, full speed ahead!
One of the first and most surprising issues to pop up soon after the first preview of the GNOME 4 desktop was made available came in the form of a Cease and Desist letter from Microsoft's lawyers. "The design of the GNOME 4 default screen bears an uncanny resemblance to a patented design that Microsoft has used since at least 1995," the letter stated. "Microsoft will vigorously defend its intellectual property against infringement." Attached was a photo showing the patented design that was the default desktop from Windows 95 on through XP:
Figure 3 - Windows 95-to-XP desktop
Starting from Windows Vista, the default screen was changed to simply read: "STOP 0x0000007B INACCESSABLE_BOOT_DEVICE" or something similar. Thankfully, the new screen is no longer blue.
The letter did set off a bit of a panic among GNOME developers. However, after volunteer attorneys working for the Free Software Foundation did some fact checking, it was determined that the patent in question was indeed granted in 1995. Since patents are granted for 20 years - and given the pace of GNOME development - the relevant patent is expected to expire before the final GNOME 4 release.
Criticism from Microsoft is perhaps to be expected. However, as a devout Linux geek I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit that there are some in the free and open-source community who have also harshly criticized GNOME 4, even at this early stage of development. Although one would think that advocates of free software ("free" as in "freedom") would embrace change, the fact is that there are many computer users who are quite conservative and resist pointless change. Among the troglodytes is Linus Torvalds (again!), who made the following post in a heated Google+ discussion: "I just tried GNOME 4, and all I can say is 'WTF?' I mean, 'WTFF?'"
Also among the whiners is a mysterious Australian coder called Sorebrep, who has immediately begun work on a fork of GNOME 3 which he has named MATÉY. Although his declaration to preserve all the goodness of GNOME 3 has won widespread praise in various online forums, this approach is actually quite risky and is unlikely to succeed in the long term. The problem is that the GNOME 3 and 4 GTK+ libraries have the same names but are incompatible, so this will almost certainly lead to naming conflicts, resulting in dependency errors, lock-ups, crashes and other instabilities. Trying to maintain both the GTK+ 3 and GTK+ 4 libraries on the same machine would be a nightmare and is likely to prove futile - it is far too big a job for a single unpaid hacker.
For this reason, developer Clement Lefebvre (of Linux Mint fame) is resigned to the inevitability of GNOME 4, but plans to work around it. "We need to listen to our users," Clem wrote in the Mint forum, "and what our users are telling us is that they want GNOME 3. But since they can't have that, I intend to give them the next best thing - I'm beginning work on Nutmeg, which is basically a set of extensions to the GNOME 4 shell so that it appears almost identical to GNOME 3." Almost immediately after the announcement, the DistroWatch page hits for Linux Mint doubled - since Mint was already at number 1 in the page hit rankings, we may have to invent a new category, possibly number zero, but it hasn't been decided.
Despite the initial burst of enthusiasm for Nutmeg, another of the perennial dissidents, Mark Shuttleworth, remains unconvinced that any version of GNOME really represents the future direction of the Linux desktop. "Although I respect what the GNOME developers are trying to do, their coding base is a mess," Mark blogged. "Therefore, we will not be including GNOME 4 in the current or any future releases of Ubuntu. However, I am pleased to announce today that we are beginning work on the greatest desktop environment ever, which we have named Inanity. Our plan now is to have Inanity ready to be the default desktop for Ubuntu 12.10, and with luck it should be stable within the next five years."
At the present time, Inanity is not available for download, and reviewing it is beyond the scope of today's article. However, you can rest assured that I will have more to say about this promising project in the near future.
Linux is all about choice. With GNOME 4, MATÉY, Nutmeg and Inanity, we in the open source community are spoiled for choice! Personally, I'm very excited to see this competition for the hearts and minds of Linux desktop users... not to mention users of water coolers, refrigerators, sewing machines and hair dryers. Thanks to the highly flexible and intuitive interface of GNOME 4, I don't doubt for a minute that at long last we will see Linux running on every consumer appliance on the market. Users of closed-source operating systems like Windows and Mac OS X will be green with envy as we run LibreOffice or Firefox on a microwave oven or electric can opener!
So watch out world! Without a doubt, 2012 will be the year of the Linux desktop!
|Miscellaneous News (by Ladislav Bodnar)
ARM as "primary architecture" in Fedora, developer corner with PC-BSD's Kris Moore, interview with AgiliaLinux
With the soaring popularity of computing systems based on the ARM architecture, it's surprising there are so few Linux distribution that have embraced the low-powered processor. Things may be changing, however. As reported by Linux Weekly News recently, the Fedora development team is now considering the possibility of making ARM a "primary architecture": "The subject came up at a meeting of the Fedora engineering steering committee (FESCo) on March 19. Adding ARM as a primary architecture for Fedora 18 was a late addition to the agenda, which annoyed some, but the discussion was largely to 'start the ball rolling and collect feedback from everyone', as Kevin Fenzi put it. There will be many other opportunities to discuss the idea, he said. The meeting log bears that out as the only vote taken (or even proposed) was to ask for input from various teams (QA, release engineering, kernel, and infrastructure) about the impact of a change like that. The difference between primary and secondary architectures for Fedora is rather large. Releases cannot be made without all of the packages building and working for each primary architecture, whereas secondary architecture packages can languish."
On a related note, if you are expecting to be able to test the beta release of Fedora 17 later this week, you'll be disappointed; as announced by Fedora Project Leader Robyn Bergeron, the release has slipped by one week: "At the go/no-go meeting it was decided to slip the beta by one week. Despite valiant efforts by many awesome people, two new blockers appeared between RC1 and RC2, for which fixes are still incoming and will require the creation of an RC3. As a result, ALL MAJOR MILESTONES, and their dependent tasks, will be pushed out by one week. Beta will now be looking at an expected release of 2012-04-10, and F17 GA is now scheduled for 2012-05-15. The adjustments to the full F17 schedule will be done (very late) tonight, and published to the Schedule wiki page. Please note that the high-level milestones shown on the wiki page have already been updated to reflect the beta slip. Thanks for your patience. We will be meeting again next Wednesday for another go/no-go meeting." The list of current beta release blockers and their status can by found on this page.
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It's always interesting to read about software developers who have turned a far-fetched dream into reality. With Kris Moore, the founder of PC-BSD, the reverie was to develop an easy-to-install and beginner-friendly desktop variant of FreeBSD. Last week iXsystems (the sponsor of PC-BSD) published an article introducing the lead developer of the most popular desktop BSD system: "Kris started learning about open source at his first job with a dial-up ISP in the 90s. The platform they used for their web services was a very early version of FreeBSD. From that experience, he learned the basics of shell interface and how to check his e-mail without a GUI by using the 'pine' command, which according to him, 'was very uber-l33t' at the time. During his college years, Kris played around with other UNIX and Linux platforms (Caldera Linux, SuSE); however, when he needed to do serious work, such as setting up a web or file server, he always fell back to his FreeBSD roots. To this day, he still prefers FreeBSD because it offers a greater degree of stability than other operating systems. At the moment Kris is doing an overhaul of "The Warden" for PC-BSD 9.1. It will become an integral part of the PC-BSD desktop and includes a number of new features to make it easier to setup and deploy services in a jail."
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To conclude this week's news section, here is a link to an interview with developers of one of the lesser-known Linux distributions - Russia's AgiliaLinux (formerly MOPSLinux). AgiliaLinux is an community distro inspired by Slackware, although it now has its own system installer developed in-house and an advanced package manager called mpkg. From "AgiliaLinux: No More Interviews!" by DarkDuck: "In its current state, Agilia 8 is pretty much MOPS++, that is, it evolved from MOPS, it has a lot in common with MOPS and it suffers from many problems that were carried over from MOPS and Slackware. Agilia 9.0 will be something completely fresh. We're rebuilding the system from scratch and it'll be more awesome than ever. It's hard to explain stuff we had to deal with, but I'll just try to give an example. Many packages actually depended on kdewebdev for a really long time, and no one bothered figuring out why. It turned out that libtidy (that's a library for pretty printing and verifying HTML) was INSIDE kdewebdev, as Slackware maintainers thought it wasn't used anywhere else. But now it's used in Plasma, and I think even kdelibs, which means kdelibs depends on kdewebdev. Awesome. We fixed that one for 4.8, though." Sadly, shortly after the interview the development team dissolved, with some of them promising to start a new distribution soon.
|Questions and Answers (by Jesse Smith)
Top ten killer applications
In-the-top-ten asks: I think you should have a segment on killer apps for an issue. It would be terrific to promote many of these products that don't get a lot of fanfare.
DistroWatch answers: Killer apps, like a "best of" list? I think most of the killer apps probably get a fair amount of spotlight already, but I'll riff off a list of applications I think are top notch. (Please feel free to chime in with your favourite apps, especially the obscure ones, in the comments section.)
First up, I think Firefox deserves the top spot on this list. It's a good, solid web browser, it's largely responsible for bringing the web (kicking and screaming) into standards compliance after many years of IE-only websites and it's recognized outside of the open source community. Though its popularity has waned somewhat in Chrome's shadow, Firefox remains the most complete, powerful open source browser available.
Number two on my list has to be LibreOffice. It's also well known, widely used and comes standard on most Linux distributions. Both LibreOffice and the project it forked from, OpenOffice.org, are largely responsible for making Linux a suitable alternative to Microsoft products on business desktops. LibreOffice is a huge project with around 400 contributors working on top notch productivity software. It's easily the most feature complete, easy to use office software out there.
The VLC multimedia player takes my number three spot. This media player will handle just about any codec, it has a nice interface and is amazingly versatile. It plays, converts, adjusts, scales and it supports subtitles. Yet for all of its flexibility VLC remains surprisingly easy to use and the basic controls are intuitive.
The Thunderbird e-mail client should probably be placed along side Firefox as they're both Mozilla projects, but I felt Thunderbird deserved its own entry. It's a rock solid, no-nonsense e-mail client which supplies a great deal of functionality without the bloat or external dependencies of other e-mail programs. As an added bonus, Thunderbird supports a wide range of plugins which add more functionality like e-mail encryption and calendar support. It's probably the nicest and most stable e-mail program I've used to date.
Whenever I want to move a lot of files from one place to another it's a good bet I'll be using Filezilla to do it. The Filezilla FTP client supports not just the FTP protocol, but also transfers using OpenSSH (SFTP) and FTP secured with TLS. Filezilla provides a local view and a remote server view at the same time, supports resuming transfers, can over-write or not based on time stamps and will move or delete entire directory trees. I consider it a must have for website developers.
Number six on my list is the K3b disc burner. The K3b application not only supports burning data to CDs and DVDs, but it can also copy discs, burn ISO images, convert MP3s into audio CDs and burn video DVDs. The program provides an all-in-one optical disc solution, it comes with good defaults and makes working with discs a simple point-n-click experience.
Next up is the GNU Image Manipulation Program, better known as "GIMP". Though this application gets some flak for its interface and for not having some high-end professional features, it provides more than enough functionality for most users. The GIMP is capable of handling a wide range of image formats, it is extensible and GIMP makes it easy to create images, manipulate photos and work with multiple layers. A must-have program for the amateur photographer or web designer.
The eighth item on my list is the Ubuntu Software Centre. Honestly, package managers in general would fit in here, the ability to easily handle (and update) thousands of programs is one of Linux's greatest features. Almost any Linux package manager puts application and patch management on other operating systems to shame and the Ubuntu Software Centre is the master of the game. It features an easy, point-n-click interface, the ability to queue multiple actions while the user continues to browse available items, it suggests related software packages and can be used to synchronize packages across multiple machines.
The OpenShot video editor lands in my ninth slot. The editor makes editing multiple video and audio clips amazingly simple, it comes with a library of special effects and it can import and export a wide range of multimedia formats. Though it doesn't have higher-end features, OpenShot is ideal for people working on their home videos.
Rounding out the list at number ten is Rhythmbox. What I love about this application isn't so much what it does (play music and manage play lists), but what it doesn't do. Almost every audio player eventually becomes a disc burner, video player, store and track editor. They get big and bulky, taking too much time to start up and too much memory gets gobbled up. Rhythmbox has managed to keep focused on doing one thing and doing it well and that's why it's my go-to audio player. People wishing more functionality can install plugins to extend Rhythmbox, but like the Firefox and Thunderbird entries further up this list, Rhythmbox itself just organizes and plays music without sucking up CPU or thrashing the hard disk.
Those are what I'd consider the big ten most people would find useful. There are some less widely used programs I think deserve honourable mention. For example, the GNU Compiler Collection turned 25 recently. The GNU compiler tools are almost universally used in open source circles and GCC is a great project. The KGpg front end for security keys and file encryption deserves some respect for making security such a simple process. I think most Linux archive managers deserve respect, and especially the Ark application. I had forgotten how much I take it for granted until a friend on a proprietary OS recently asked me how to go about extracting files from an ISO image. Lastly, I feel GParted, the versatile partition manager, deserves a salute. It copies, resizes, deletes and creates just about every popular file system, provides a clean interface and uses very few resources.
Please tell us about your favourite open source software below.
|Released Last Week
Webconverger 12.0, 12.1
Kai Hendry has announced the release of Webconverger 12.0, a Debian-based browser-only distribution designed for deployment on web kiosks: "Webconverger 12 is the biggest leap forward this project has ever made. Highlights: operating system innovation, entire operating system is now maintained under git; new configuration and subscription service at making it much easier to customise your kiosk; new boot menu, with the ability to boot in a selection of different locales; Firefox 10 Extended Support Release; a new about: page that shows the running version of Webconverger; even better browser lock down and no more search bar; much better network handling; re-engineering of boot APIs like i18n; kioskresetstation works with blanking; numerous bug fixes." Read the rest of the release notes for notes on new configuration services offered by the distribution.
Clonezilla Live 1.2.12-37
Steven Shiau has announced that a new stable release of Clonezilla Live, a specialist Debian-based live CD designed for cloning disks, has been released: "This release of Clonezilla Live (1.2.12-37) includes major enhancements and major bug fixes: the underlying GNU/Linux operating system was upgraded, this release is based on the Debian 'Sid' repository as of 2012-03-25; Linux kernel was updated to 3.2.12; Partclone-utils was updated to 0.1.3; Gdisk was updated to 0.8.2; the image of a partition saved by dd is no longer treated as a broken one in ocs-chkimg; GRUB on ext4 warning will be shown again if GRUB is not run successfully; an option was added to start over while keeping the mounted image repository; an option -fsck-src-part-y was added so that fsck can be run automatically when saving and image...." The full list of changes and new features can be found in the release announcement.
Proxmox 2.0 "Virtual Environment"
Gentoo Linux 12.1
Robin Johnson has announced the release of Gentoo Linux 12.1, a live DVD demonstrating the latest Gentoo technologies and open-source software applications: "Gentoo Linux is proud to announce the availability of a new live DVD to celebrate the continued collaboration between Gentoo users and developers. The live DVD features a superb list of packages, including Linux kernel 3.3, X.Org 1.12.0, KDE 4.8.1, GNOME 3.2.1, Xfce 4.8, Fluxbox 1.3.2, Firefox 11.0, LibreOffice 188.8.131.52, GIMP 2.6.12, Blender 2.60, Amarok 2.5 , VLC 2.0.1 and much more. Special Features: Gentoo install wizard; writable file systems using Aufs so you can emerge new packages!; persistence for $HOME is available, press F9 for more info. The live DVD is available in two flavors: a hybrid x86/x86_64 edition, and an x86_64 multi-lib edition." Read the rest of the release announcement for more details.
Gentoo Linux 12.1 - the "install wizard" is an April fool's joke linking to the standard Gentoo installation document
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Andrew Wyatt has announced the release of Fuduntu 2012.2, the latest of the regular quarterly release updates of the project's rolling-release distribution previously forked from Fedora: "The second Fuduntu quarterly ISO image, Fuduntu 2012.2, is now available for immediate download. As with all Fuduntu releases, this release continues our tradition of small incremental improvements. It is important to note that existing Fuduntu users have already rolled up to this version through the normal update process, and do not need to download or reinstall from this media to benefit from this release. Major package updates this release: Linux kernel 3.2.13, Chromium 17, Firefox 11, Thunderbird 11, Pidgin 2.10.2, LibreOffice 3.5.1. During this cycle, the Fuduntu team has made many changes to improve the overall experience with the distribution. The largest, and most welcomed change is the shift from SourceForge as our package host to a new infrastructure." Here is the complete release announcement.
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Development, unannounced and minor bug-fix releases
- DoudouLinux 2012-03, the release announcement
- AriOS 4.0-beta, the release announcement
- Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Edubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Mythbuntu 12.04-beta2, the release announcement
- Open Xange 2012.04
- FreeBSD 8.3-RC2, the release announcement
|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
Summary of expected upcoming releases
New distributions added to waiting list
- RapidDisk LX. RapidDisk LX is a custom ARM-based Linux distribution built entirely out of source and inspired by the Cross Linux From Scratch project. Its main and only purpose is to provide RapidDisk functionality as a SCSI Target over a Storage Area Network (SAN).
- Regata. Regata is a Brazilian desktop Linux distribution based on openSUSE and featuring the latest KDE desktop. The project's website is in Portuguese.
- ServOS. ServOS is a Spanish Linux distribution for desktops and servers. The project's website is in Spanish.
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DistroWatch database summary
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This concludes this week's issue of DistroWatch Weekly. The next instalment will be published on Monday, 9 April 2012.
Caitlyn Martin, Robert Storey, Ladislav Bodnar and Jesse Smith
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1 • Gnome 4 (by Victor Moray on 2012-04-01 04:16:52 GMT from United States) |
You know, I usually just use emacs with fvwm for that minimalist yet full-featured desktop, but I think the Gnome lads have finally trumped it!
2 • Gnome 4 (by cereal_killa on 2012-04-01 04:22:04 GMT from United States)
I have to agree with the rest of the sane linux world here and voice a resounding WTFF?!? I mean really, have the gnome dev's just gone off the deep end? This is ridiculous.
3 • Rubbish (by Billy Larlad on 2012-04-01 04:22:04 GMT from United States)
This would be something I could appreciate if it wasn't another lame, unfair, and, frankly, ill-informed attack on Gnome 3.
4 • Fake Gnome 4 (by mark on 2012-04-01 04:53:28 GMT from Austria)
hehe nice lookout
of course it is meant as fun because GNOME 4 won't happen for many years to come
but look at something else - people are RIGHTFULLY complaining about Gnome 3 because the developers ignored them.
developers code for their portfolio so that companies hire them.
How does this benefit users?
But precisely this has happened and they tried to cover it up with propaganda
I got tired of all their bullshit propaganda.
I hope gnome 3 dies. I hope that people can keep gnome 2 alive and evolve that spirit.
gnome 4 is a joke. fun article to read though.
It wont happen. The user base diminished.
5 • Gnome 4 (by Cliff on 2012-04-01 05:04:02 GMT from Philippines)
This is exactly how I thought it would all end.
6 • Hah (by Josh on 2012-04-01 05:04:06 GMT from United States)
7 • Unbelievably verified (by jxliv7 on 2012-04-01 05:08:25 GMT from United States)
A quick trip to SourceForge, a quicker download of the torrent magnet, Transmission shifted into gear, and another install and reboot brought the desktop into focus - Gnome 4 in all its glowing glory. However, because the twisting of my fingers caused me to misselect the left CTRL-ALT-F12-SysReq-Scroll_Lock key combination while typing "bowser" (instead of "browser"), a hidden Easter egg appeared to verify the Gnome version as 04.01.
8 • Gnome 4 (by JP Smith on 2012-04-01 05:30:53 GMT from United States)
Folks, check the date and you might not get so worked up over this one.
9 • LOL (by Mank_in on 2012-04-01 05:32:34 GMT from Indonesia)
Very funny article
10 • Awesome (by James Stilwell on 2012-04-01 05:32:38 GMT from United States)
The when combined with the new xorg keyboard drivers, acceleration and pressure applied to the keyboard is now measured. Browsing the source will also reveal that gnome 4 is also capable of determining which finger is used to hit each key. In order to launch the browser, you must press the left CTRL key with your right ring-finger while using your left middle finger to press the 'G'. RTFM.
11 • Good one... (by shady on 2012-04-01 05:54:00 GMT from United States)
Nice article, but the Gentoo disc with "install wizard" just wasted 3.6gbs of my bandwidth. I can find no installer on the disc. What a bummer. April fools on me I guess.
12 • Gnome 4 (by linuxuser on 2012-04-01 06:00:41 GMT from Greece)
A nice article with a fantastic humor. Thank you Distrowatch team, you made me laugh.
13 • Gnome 4 (by Bas Karsdorp on 2012-04-01 06:06:06 GMT from Netherlands)
Just what I wanted! The perfect OS.
14 • Gnome 4 (by linuxEveryday on 2012-04-01 06:12:44 GMT from China)
Nice article! Hope the gnome developers can undertand what users need when Gnome 4 really comes. I'm currently using XFCE.
15 • Gnome 4 (by Bob on 2012-04-01 06:18:47 GMT from Italy)
Anytime the environment is upgraded someone complain but this is the progress even if it got in a direction you don't like. So welcome Gnome 4 and goodbye Gnome 3 even if this means productivity goes down...
Maybe just one reason more to switch from Linux to the Mac.
On the Mac productivity is always a priority and the interface is always consistent and coherent and developers create wonderful apps for OS X.
This is the reason people who really work and produce on computers use the Mac and not Linux.
Linux is just for freetards as explained by the latest today published research!
16 • Trolololo (by PM on 2012-04-01 06:20:44 GMT from United States)
Oh how I lol'd
17 • Gnome 4 (by DPark on 2012-04-01 06:23:29 GMT from Korea, Republic of)
So innocent to look for everywhere Gnome-4.0-*.deb all this afternoon.
18 • Ridiculous gnome (by wacky on 2012-04-01 06:24:49 GMT from France)
I used gnome 2 since many years and when gnome 3 arrived, i'm exiting to test.
Gnome 3 look like very nice but it's horrible to work with...
Control panel is ridiculous. It missed many options.
I used Cinnamon on my Debian and it's fantastic. Thanks to Clem.
I whished gnome 4 is better than gnome 3.
PS: Already, i hate XFCE, KDE, LXDE, E17 or other
19 • useful PC's (by ix on 2012-04-01 06:27:34 GMT from Romania)
"computers that do useful work are so 20th century - we've moved on."
This is too funny. :)
20 • gnome 4 (by Romane on 2012-04-01 06:33:02 GMT from Australia)
At last !! A desktop suited to my temperament. Like I take my coffee - pure, unadulterated and unsweetened. Good onya, gnome team. Can't wait till gnome 5 - no screen?
21 • Reverting to old os (by Eric on 2012-04-01 06:37:19 GMT from Netherlands)
Now I am convinced that I will return to my good old command line linux that I used back in 1995. It had I needed and it will never break the patent regarding the black screen (it actually could be any color as long as it is black).
22 • WTF (by Lorin on 2012-04-01 06:37:46 GMT from China)
So 20th Century.
Get over yourselves, computers are for serious work. I use a keyboard only to work as in writing, the mouse is for everything else.
23 • he he (by seaman on 2012-04-01 06:50:03 GMT from Poland)
nice work ;)
24 • good review (by ionut on 2012-04-01 06:55:11 GMT from Poland)
This is by far the best review for GNOME 3 and for the upcoming GNOME 4. Now I'm totally convinced to switch from GNOME 3 to GNOME 4.
25 • gnome desktop (by colin on 2012-04-01 07:01:34 GMT from United Kingdom)
the gnome desktop couldnt possibly get anymore simplier could it! in my opinion its a bit to simple already!
26 • joke (by mark on 2012-04-01 07:16:20 GMT from Austria)
> Folks, check the date and you might not get so worked up over this one.
Why not? Even if it is 1. April, and the article is meant as a joke, Gnome 3 is no joke.
It fucking stinks. And this is not funny. :(
These developers must move to other projects rather than continue to kill gnome.
27 • It is possible (by Gaye on 2012-04-01 07:22:43 GMT from Turkey)
Well, the article is quite funny and hilarious, it is also a possible announcement message from a senior gnome developer, I think. No offense to people using gnome now, but I am not that stupid and idiot to use it on my pc.
When I was first exposed to linux in the past, there were lots of opportunities for linux community. Kde 3 was very good, stable and state-of-art desktop environment. Gnome 2 was not that bad, it was usable and simple. Today these two projects have gone to another dimension that only a bunch of arrogant developers live. For us, unfortunately we have only two choice now: windows or mac. For me, Windows just works.
Please don't think this text is a troll, it is just my humble thinkings as a average desktop user.
28 • Gnome 2 vs Unity. (by Dry Crust on 2012-04-01 07:47:27 GMT from New Zealand)
When I started using Ubuntu, I was very impressed with the Gnome 2 desktop. I tried lots of different Linux distributions with various desktops and found that Gnome 2 was the desktop that was closest to what I felt was perfect.
Then Unity arrived. I couldn't (and still can't) understand why anyone thought it was so great. Sure, it looks great, but great looks won't cut the mustard when it gets down to even half serious work. For example, right now I have two instant messenger sessions running and a browser (of course!). I know this because along the bottom of the screen I can see them. If I wanted to I could open another dozen applications and I would be able to flick between them without any difficulty.
So how can I do this when I use Ubuntu? I use Gnome-Classic, which is the Gnome 3 version of Gnome 2. It isn't quite as good as Gnome 2, but it is about as close as you can get without having to lots of hard work.
You don't expect a 4 wheel drive or a racing car to have a great interior, you expect them to have a functional interior. The same applies to Gnome 2: it was meant for people to use, not to be looked at.
My experience of the "ordinary" Gnome 3 is that it was pretty much the same as Unity, which means, of course, that it wasn't my cup of tea.
I still can't understand why people think not being able to see what applications you have running is innovative or improvement, but there you have it, they do.
The reason there are other people are producing forks of Gnome 2 is because that format is an EXCELLENT format.
29 • GNOME 4 and beyond (by Richmond on 2012-04-01 07:53:14 GMT from Bulgaria)
Presumably GNOME 5, when it arrives, will be a system that totally incapacitates the computer so we can all return to what ee know and love; slide-rules, pencils and paper.
This is a lovely announcement for 32 March . . . LOL.
30 • gnONE upped (by Glen on 2012-04-01 07:59:07 GMT from United States)
Its hard to one up the greatness that is Gnome3. Obviously the developers have outdone themselves here. There quite simply is nothing to be angry about. Of course there may be a few thousand users that hate blue, but they'll be forced to use it for lack of other options. Naturally everyone else will quietly enjoy the simplicity and use it to continue their usual levels of productivity.
I look forward to the major efficiency I'll be gaining in Gnome4 due to its simple design. I have 21st century work to do and it requires the up-most efficiency and fully dedicated user interface. Gnome4 has hit a homerun. I can't wait to port it to BSD and make the greatest OS ever.
Windows will no doubt steal this and be selling 7 different licenses in 10 different packages by years end.
31 • Gmome 4 (by j on 2012-04-01 08:01:30 GMT from Australia)
Loved it. Gotta admit though, Gnome 4 does sound like a big improvement on Gnome 3, doesn't it? But Unity has to be even a bigger joke than even Gnome 4. KDE and LXDE now for me.
32 • Finally (by tdockery97 on 2012-04-01 08:02:30 GMT from United States)
Finally, a decent desktop to use on my electric cigarette lighter. Hahahahahaha.
33 • Gnome 3 is too much like Windows 8! (by RJA on 2012-04-01 08:15:48 GMT from United States)
Thank God for Mate! The fatal mistake is to take customization away.
Thus, default Gnome 3 seems too much like a cellphone!
34 • This is a complete joke. (by Jester Minute on 2012-04-01 08:33:45 GMT from United Kingdom)
Excellent humour :)
I think it is good to have an opportunity to have a bit of lightness and fun - otherwise we all might as well just give up.
35 • (by Mikkh on 2012-04-01 08:35:20 GMT from United Kingdom)
As others have said it still doesn't alter the fact that Gnome 3 and KDE 4 to a lesser extent, both essentially suck!
I've been using XFCE or LXDE as alternatives for a long time now and it's not beause I have to. My main machine is a fast quad core with lots of RAM and can easily run the bloated monsters
36 • Nearly had me worried.. (by Paul Ward on 2012-04-01 08:41:19 GMT from United Kingdom)
Oh Dorothy, am I back in Kansas yet ???
37 • Gnome 4 (by Otto Leipälä on 2012-04-01 08:41:39 GMT from Finland)
Heheh this is one of the best april fools ever.:D
38 • Gnome 3/4 & Unity (by Paul Junior on 2012-04-01 08:45:25 GMT from United Kingdom)
How are the disabled supposed to use gnome or unity? especially if you are a tetraplegic like myself with use of one hand only, I can't use all these alt++++++ keys it is impossible, so gnome and conical have discriminated against the severely disabled by not providing an option for left right minimize maximize etc as per gnome 2. Thank you developers for not thinking about the thousands of exceptionally disabled users you used to have.
39 • No screen eh... (by Vincent on 2012-04-01 09:10:36 GMT from Netherlands)
Just ripped of my laptop display. Will install gnome 4 in a couple of minutes. Finally, I can look out the window instead of at my stupid screen. It's gonna be some good computin'
40 • Great article (by Pumpino on 2012-04-01 09:53:51 GMT from Australia)
"developers have already ported GNOME 4 to other useful devices such GPSs, headless servers, digital rectal thermometers, water meters, garage door openers and intercontinental ballistic missiles." That's gold. If that sentence wasn't enough for people to realise it was a joke, then there is still some very strong emotions floating around about Gnome 3!
41 • Gnome 4 (by skin27 on 2012-04-01 10:15:14 GMT from Netherlands)
Actually you can change the color of the desktop. Just close your eyes and think of any other color. That's the beauty of Gnome 4.
42 • Finally a lovely comprimise ' A Deeper Blue " Gnome 4 (by statz on 2012-04-01 10:34:54 GMT from Australia)
We can't go wrong now ...if your on your desktop.. just pull out the plug... It will shut right down No more stupid switches just a handfull of Keyboard .....nice ,,,Seen that blue colour before ! Fantastic I have had the best laugh tonight ..installing it now but I can't find the Start button! !
43 • Dry humour at its best. (by glasiad on 2012-04-01 10:39:19 GMT from United Kingdom)
A very funny and well written 'review' Had me grinning from the paragraph to the last. Hardcore dry humour - a specialty of British culture. Glad to see some Americans 'got it' too. If Distrowatch commissioned Robert Storey to write more pieces I would visit this site more often.
Regarding the 'evolution' of Gnome, it's clear they are moving towards being more suitable for portable computing devices - which is not a bad thing - but those of us who only use larger screened desktop computers will simply have to migrate to other desktop environments like XFCE and others.
44 • Color change (by Jumprit on 2012-04-01 10:46:33 GMT from Australia)
"Actually you can change the color of the desktop. Just close your eyes and think of any other color. That's the beauty of Gnome 4."
Thanks for very useful hack... I have pink color now.
45 • This is the first version of GNOME I'll consider using (by bero on 2012-04-01 10:48:11 GMT from Switzerland)
So far, I've resisted using GNOME because I just don't think you can write a decent application (let alone a whole desktop) with a library that requires you to type insane stuff like
g_line_edit_widget_new_with_default_text_but_without_label(GTK_WINDOW(G_OBJECT((void*)w)), G_RANDOM_POSITION, G_RANDOM_POSITION, G_OBJECT((void*)(char*)_("Hello world")));
But this new version is much nicer - due to the absence of any widgets, there's no need to mess with gtk's insanity anymore. And it's really nice that it comes with a Windows emulator built in (it seems to behave much more like the original than Wine!)
KDE beware - GNOME has finally started to catch up!
46 • Gnome 4 (by keithpeter on 2012-04-01 10:50:28 GMT from United Kingdom)
You can have Gnome 4 now, why wait?
Just install Ubuntu command line system from the netinstall CD, add Xorg, openbox, suckless-tools feh and a few apps.
Once installed, use feh to set a lovely shade of blue as the desktop background, then bind dmenu_run to the most arcane keyboard shortcut you can think of. You are away...
47 • Gnome 4 (by fabio on 2012-04-01 10:51:33 GMT from United Kingdom)
digital rectal thermometers!!! hahaha!!!
48 • Simplistic, HA HA (by Kasprr on 2012-04-01 11:54:32 GMT from United States)
Ok, Now after reading this article & seeing & Using Gnome 3, I don't see this as a help in getting more Computer Users to switch over to Linux.. or to use linux in a desktop / laptop. netbook environment, When it is so, so different.. Yes Try to teach your parents or others with stiff or clumsy hands, or bad memory or ??? the List goes on... This is, in my opinion a backwards step again... The linux world seems full of self destruct features, While being simplistic is a great idea, and trying to be clean in features is great, we must not forget the millions who want to be able to easily maneuver & configure their system without the need of a geek... As much as I dislike "MicroS___K" they at least try to have a consistent user interface, so switching & upgrading does not require 2 years at Harvard.. I agree with Linus Torvalds "WTF"... This maybe be the death of gnome, I myself love Linux Mint, But at this point am waiting to see that They Keep their focus on an Environment for the Average User, and do not fall into the crap that gnome 4 or even 3 has done.. Mac users are laughing at the future of gnome as well as Window users are saving their dollars to upgrade to a system that they are comfortable in.. I have a strong opinion that we will loose users, & they will switch either back to Windows or Macs or just to other distro's like kde or ??? as long as easy to use & easy to configure systems are available... Thank you Linus Torvalds, for all you have done & continue to do for our community... Gnome Developers Shame on You !
49 • Gnome 4 (by mack on 2012-04-01 12:00:27 GMT from India)
hahahaha best part on 1st Apr gnome 4 using using Microsoft patented design and screen looks like BSOD hahahaha very funny
50 • BIGGER NEWS than GNOME 4 = 'EnlightXKDEGNOFCE' desktop environment (by Angel Arce on 2012-04-01 12:24:47 GMT from Belgium)
BIGGER NEWS than GNOME 4 = 'EnlightXKDEGNOFCE' desktop environment
A BIG Thank you to to Ladislav and Distrowatch to bring this wonderful news today...
Nevertheless, I have some BIG news too, that I want to share with everybody here:
I have already sent an email to Ladislav and to many Linux-FLOSS WebSites about it; but I want to share it with you all here.
I have been worried for years with all the 'flame-wars' and the fragmentation of Linux among different visual environments, specially between Gnome and KDE. I came to the conclusion (some months ago) that he best thing for Linux and the Free Open Source Software, was to fork some of the bests Visual Environments and Windows Managers in ONE only project.
I have taken the best of each of the following Projects to reunite all the stuff in one: Gnome, KDE, Xfce, Enlightenment, and LXDE.
I have taken chunks of code of everyone of these projects, added some code of my own, and released the first Alpha version of 'EnlightXKDEGNOFCE'
Forget about 'Unity', because the real unity for the Posix FLOSS operating systems since now on is called: 'EnlightXKDEGNOFCE'.
The project is already in LaunchPad, GitHub, and SourceForge. Anyone that want to join the project or collaborate with code, can do it in any of the websites formerly mentioned.
You can check the the source code and some screen-shots of the version 0.1 of 'EnlightXKDEGNOFCE' in our web site: http://www.enlightxkdegnofce.org
There is not binaries up to the moment; so if anyone want to install it you have to compile it.
51 • Gnome4 praise (by TheOneLaw on 2012-04-01 12:28:20 GMT from Indonesia)
I have had a grind of a day at work but this excellent news of the Gnome4 plans
just made me feel so much better !
After years of using Mandriva with all the insanely configurable features of KDE 3
the prospect of no longer being hassled by confusing things like menus is sweet.
Just the thought of having my work made so much easier by simply staring
at a blue screen for eight hours a day is simply orgasmic in itws own way.
I tried switching to LMDE XFCE but even that interface still pesters my eyes
with all the windows, menus, buttons and widgets that afflicted KDE3.
The future for Gnome4 might be even better if the developers team up with
the folks who are launching gmail.tap and thereby reduce the complexity
of the keyboard by an order of magnitude !
Oh - and one more thing:
Your sentence is incomplete:
"Advocates for disability rights are particularly enthused by GNOME 4, believing that it could be the first GUI system that puts seeing and totally blind users on an equal footing.... with amputees and paraplegics."
What ad day this is -!- enjoy
52 • suicidal desktop linux 2012. (by sascha on 2012-04-01 12:29:52 GMT from Germany)
while i get it this is a april's fool story , the reality is not that funny and "linux on desktop" has shot themself without any need in their own foot and knee together, if not even committed suicide.
KDE2/3 and Gnome2 were stable productive,configurable working desktops.
WHY OH WHY DID THEY BOTH DESTROY EVERYTHING THAT HAD BEEN ACHIEVED ?
I really do not get this. Newbies will find "linux" ( no matter which distro ) disastrous to use and unuseable. While KDE4 *can* be made somewhat into what kde3 was, this new Gnome and also "unity" are SMARTPHONE UI's. You cannot put that on a User Desktop that wants to operate between a dozen app-windows open.
I still use Lucid Lynx Ubuntu LTS1004 everyday and install this on other users ( windows convertees ), they all love the simplicity and the configuration like custom launchers like suse slab menu instead of ubuntu default or someone wanted me to make it look like mac os x with a dock, other wanted fancier icons and so on. They all see that one can do all this with gnome2 and make it so as the user wishes.
Unity and gnome3 have taken all these configuration away, also taken away taskswitching bars and instead forcing a "dock" on us, not even chooseable if I want it on bottom,left or right and it has no space for all I want into there. After installing a handfull apps in 12.04 beta, this thing becomes a mess with all the icons in it..
Also it is buggy,slow and has zero in common with what ubuntu once was.
gnome3 the same, no difference in hogging the machine and in no-configurationess.
Sometimes I believe that MS/Apple/Oracle has saboteurs in KDE/Gnome teams. I can't understand these "we suicide all we had" behaviour. Speechless, really.
with the epic failure of windows8 roudn the corner, this was your chance, linux ( or ubuntu for the matter of being a top five distro ) , but now ? ..
53 • Gnome 4 (by corneliu on 2012-04-01 12:31:40 GMT from Canada)
That Gnome 4 announcement was one of the funniest articles I've read in a very, very long time. I will start using Gnome when it will let me configure and customize the desktop the way I want, not the way the devs want. Until then it is all KDE. Speaking of KDE, there is a new Gentoo release with KDE 4.8.1. But the most interesting thing is that the live DVD features an installer. W O W !!! Is that an April 1st prank or is it for real? An installer on a Gentoo live DVD? I have no choice but to download it!
54 • Duh_nome (by Blamminski on 2012-04-01 12:31:22 GMT from Costa Rica)
Gnome 6 will be a penile implant that contains time released Viagra. The menu will be thumb and forefinger controlled and will include multiple links to you favorite surf spots to make your pleasure more complex and satisfying. It's code name will be Multiplicity.
55 • The Future is bright..... the future is Blue (by rob on 2012-04-01 12:33:10 GMT from United Kingdom)
Very good article thank you for taking the time. :-)
All humour aside, I do think this sums up the frustration and mood of linux desktop users at the moment.
As a linux desktop user you are (likely) to be more pc literate than your average windows counterpart (or at least willing to learn). If you need a handheld device for work on the move you probably already own a netbook or ipad or blackberry or android device. All of these devices work pretty well for what they were intended... Limited functionality until you could get back to your proper workstation.
It is a shame that developers seem to be missing that. I wouldn't mind if the hardware was capable of giving a one size fits all solution and my portable was as capable as my desktop but it isn't.
Many motivated and industrious members of the community are now focused on recapturing what we have lost and putting their efforts into projects like Cinnamon and Mate and Mint, Instead of making what we had better.
In the 5 years I have been using linux it had never looked as good until recently - leading me to believe as so many hoped that "this year will be the year of the Linux desktop"
Now though, rather than advance the cause of linux I think that these projects like Gnome 3 and Unity are likely to set back the advance of linux by years.
I will mourn the passing of Gnome2. Not because I am narrow minded am resistant to change, not because I didn't want to learn. But because it gave me a desire to LEARN about how it worked. To look at forums and experiment despite the effort needed. Windows and Mac OS never captured the imagination in the same way.
Personally I am getting to grips with Centos6 on the desktop to keep Gnome 2 for as long as I can; It's just a shame that the hardware support is not as mature.
Happy April the 1st everybody!
Keep up the good work!
56 • More about GNOME 4 and 'EnlightXKDEGNOFCE' desktop environments (by Angel Arce on 2012-04-01 12:45:15 GMT from Belgium)
Btw... I forgot to mention, that; although I obviously prefer my brand new 'EnlightXKDEGNOFCE' desktop environment; I am loving the work made by the guys of Gnome in Gnome 3.
So, i think Gnome 4 will be even better in the future. Thanks Gnome guys...
I will, still use Gnome 3 or 4 or whatever until my fabulous brand new 'EnlightXKDEGNOFCE' desktop environment reach the 1.0 stable version.
We also intend to have ports of 'EnlightXKDEGNOFCE' desktop environment in Haiku and MenuetOS so prepare yourself for the next Big GUI...
Until then: good work and Thanks Gnome guys...
57 • Good One (by J. Mathis on 2012-04-01 12:49:10 GMT from United States)
DW had me going until I got to the Swiss Army Knife section, then it dawned on me what day this is.
58 • Gnome 4 (by Bent Over on 2012-04-01 13:13:07 GMT from United States)
I like rectal thermometers, oh baby!
59 • Gnome $ (by Barry Schinnerer on 2012-04-01 13:18:45 GMT from United States)
Awesome deep sarcasm! Gnome 4 the desktop for people that know everything about nothing.
60 • Gnome 4 (by zykoda on 2012-04-01 13:29:29 GMT from United Kingdom)
A superb DE for the blind.
61 • Fantastic (by Teobromina on 2012-04-01 13:30:47 GMT from Spain)
I support the opinion that the shortcuts of Gnome 4 will make we all so happy!
In the real world I have accustomed myself to rely in Avant Windows Navigator (AWN) as my preferred tool to start applications and to know which of them are running and I do not miss Gnome2 anymore.
62 • Gnome 4 (by Artie on 2012-04-01 13:49:18 GMT from United States)
Thank you for expressing the feelings of a lot of people. Will Gnome 4 run on my lawnmower?
63 • LOL (by Alexandre on 2012-04-01 13:49:41 GMT from Canada)
Everything was legit until "digital rectal thermometers" LOL
64 • GNOME 4 on my vibrating tooth brush (by Elcaset on 2012-04-01 13:53:12 GMT from United States)
I just installed GNOME 4 on my vibrating tooth brush! It's really slow, but, oh well.
65 • Excellent humour, thanks, and almost believable. (by Barnabyh on 2012-04-01 14:02:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
I have also got some important news from Slackware and from RMS, also known as the GNU/Man.
The 'Current' development branch in Slackware hasn't moved for a while. Almost a year after the last stable Slackware was released the repositories are still on KDE 4.5.5 and Xfce 4.6.2, and here's why! The Benevolent dictator for life has finally had enough.
When I flew over to meet 'The Man' as he is known for a rare interview in his nearest Starbucks he said: "I've had it up to here (making cut-throat gesture at his lower lip). All this new-fangled stuff and new requirements just to run a blooming desktop is really getting my goat. Uthis and uthat, I just can't take it anymore. I've thought of stripping Slackware down to only Window Maker and FVWM like in the good old days, but then I thought what the hell. It'll be fun to sit back for a while and watch (Editor: the users) bug somebody else to give them a workable distribution. Let them eat Chakra."
So there you have it, straight from the horse's mouth. Patrick had a Latte btw, for those who are interested what 'The Man' slurps. When asked why he would choose such a girlie drink he blamed recent stomach troubles and too much alcohol in his youth, something your author can certainly relate to as he is constantly suffering from bouts of flatulence himself.
In other important news Richard Stallman, the founder of the GNU project and apostle of the four freedoms, has finally admitted that he was wrong all along. "If we were all using proprietary technology and stopped worrying about what is right we'ld be having more fun and the world would be a happier, shinier place" he quipped.
To repent he'll be joining the Dalai Lama and upgrade from Hippie to Krishna Punk. Later this year he will assist in bringing Windows 8 to the masses in China. He is aware this could potentially be seen as subversive action but states no malintent.
Back in his hometown, Ma Baxter, who's known little Richard since childhood, described him as a kind boy. "He always wanted the best for people, but sometimes he could get a little overzealous."
66 • NOT FUNNY (by Al on 2012-04-01 14:17:56 GMT from United States)
You suck at being funny
67 • Wow (by Bald Monkey on 2012-04-01 14:37:29 GMT from United States)
Loved the Blue screen... a touch of nostalgia!
68 • Gentoo (by Dr. Long on 2012-04-01 14:57:55 GMT from United States)
I am the wizard!
69 • Wow (by fernbap on 2012-04-01 15:23:59 GMT from Portugal)
Gnome 4 looks indeed like a major breakthrough! Welcome to the future, guys!
Yet, there will always be a group of whining diehards not willing to embrace progress, as if a desktop was meant to be useful.
Let's face it, guys: you can't live in the past forever. Perhaps you don't like the new desktop, but that doesn't mean that it isn't here to stay. Don't stand in the way of progress.
Deja vu, anyone? ;)
70 • WTFF (by Zaza on 2012-04-01 15:24:02 GMT from Georgia)
WTFF Joke :-))
71 • KDE (by Andy Axnot on 2012-04-01 15:32:07 GMT from United States)
I'm outraged! :-)
Thank god we can still count on KDE for a perfectly intuitive interface, completely free of bloat.
72 • Gnome 4.0 (by JJ on 2012-04-01 15:39:09 GMT from United States)
Will it run on my toaster? :D
LOL nice joke
73 • April Fools! (by MoChaMan69 on 2012-04-01 15:42:38 GMT from Ecuador)
Once I saw that to open a browser you need to hold down 15 keys while typing 'browser' I knew it was an April Fool's joke . Good one . Too bad GNOME3 isn't a joke that won't disappear. - MC
74 • lol (by bgryerclock on 2012-04-01 16:01:59 GMT from United States)
When I saw the title of the article I shouted "WHAT!!!", waking my wife. Well done sirs
75 • Any Chance Of Incorporating the Best Bits of GNOME2? (by Graham Todd on 2012-04-01 16:05:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
I liked GNOME2: I felt at home with the Desktop, but as GNOME3 came in and was updated in various distributions, I became more and more uncomfortable. Sitting down with my laptop became less and less enjoyable..
This did not happen with GNOME2. What I needed was a distro that ripped the guts out of GNOME3 - and gave us the best of GNOM2 as well. Couldn't we return to the user-friendliness of GNOME2 with GNOME4?
Meanwhile, I'm stick with using GNOM2 on PC-BSD, but it's REALLY good and has helped me stay with GNOME
76 • Gnome 4 (by Alex DeWolf on 2012-04-01 16:16:24 GMT from United States)
77 • Gnome3 was very helpful for me... (by fabio on 2012-04-01 17:11:47 GMT from United Kingdom)
... it gave me the push to move away from the comfortability of using good old Gnome2 (where everything is done for you) to start learning linux by using Openbox (which need your configuration).
So if I know now what I know about Linux is thanks to Gnome3!
78 • Flexibility (by Dale L. on 2012-04-01 17:13:38 GMT from Canada)
It took lots of time to develop GNOME 2 to what it was - that after hearing all the requests and suggestions from users around the world. Afterwards, they decide to ditch that and wipe out all the usefulness in GNOME 2. Good grief - what a backwards decision. For now I stay with ubuntu 10.04 LTS and GNOME 2 and I enjoy it so much!
Nonetheless, they could have kept the much loved GNOME 2 version available and add another version for the mobile world... that just promotes flexibility for all - not everyone is a mobile hippy!
79 • New GNOME desktop (by tckev on 2012-04-01 17:27:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
From what I understand the major difference between the MS blue desktop and the GNOME one is that GNOME has 3D effects enabled by default.
80 • this (by x on 2012-04-01 17:46:25 GMT from Chile)
I don't have a sense of humor today, so FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.
81 • Currently running.. (by xChris on 2012-04-01 17:47:13 GMT from United Kingdom)
a sort of GNOME called GEOS64 ;-}
82 • GNOME 4 (by Georgia Savage on 2012-04-01 17:51:20 GMT from Canada)
I just can't wait to give it a whirl. Finally, the extra digit on each hand that caused me to be so cruelly teased in my childhood, will come in handy.
83 • Gnome4 (by Ron on 2012-04-01 17:56:51 GMT from United States)
It looks great! One thing the reviewer left out is the new technology that recharges the batteries in a mobile when the hard drive spins down on shutdown. Much like the EV automobiles with regenerative braking.
This feature is truly remarkable and innovative in a computer.
Cheers - Ron
84 • And what about GNOME 6 !? (by msx on 2012-04-01 18:24:43 GMT from Argentina)
It's rumored it will present the first hollographic desktop out of a wrist-watch!
Nice article, had fun with it ;-D
85 • Gnome 4 (by Plume on 2012-04-01 18:27:59 GMT from Poland)
Please can you provide a full size screenshot of the G4 desktop?
86 • Nuts, nuts and nuts. (by fernando on 2012-04-01 18:28:58 GMT from Brazil)
Nobody to confirm at FSFs headquarter, ok, it's sunday. But even my squirrels are whispering G4 has finally the entire job done, Mr Hardbeard included -- hired as the new Redmond's CDP- Chief of Destructive Products). Another good news, MS altered its juridic procedures against the smallfoot guys, after the decision: "G4=W9". What my squirrels can't wait till monday to confirm is the amount of nuts involved in the negociation. Lets wait!
87 • The year of Linux on the desktop... (by Fraser on 2012-04-01 18:32:26 GMT from New Zealand)
...was 2006 - when the Dapper Drake landed. There have been tweaks to sound and wireless since then, and I'm still looking forward to iTunes, Netflix, Terraria etc, but 2006 was the Year of Linux on the Desktop.
88 • unity SUCKS!!!!!!! (by Mark on 2012-04-01 18:32:43 GMT from United States)
Linus Torvalds, who wrote to GNOME developers in a now famous Google+ post: "I want my sane interfaces back. I have yet to meet anybody who likes the unholy mess that is GNOME_3!"
The man said it himself, and I'll state clearly- - Unity/Gnome 3 (now 4) SUCKS. We want ONE-CLICK desktops. Skip the "fancy" bs. Gone2 rules, 3 sucks!!!!!
89 • GNOME 4/KDE 5 and Gentoo LiveDVD (by Landor on 2012-04-01 19:02:02 GMT from Canada)
Although the post is supposed to be in humour, I find it quite ironic that it's pointing out GNOME 4. I know that KDE 5 is already being developed, and a whole pile of people got upset about the KDE 4 series, and I have no doubt that if there's no thought of GNOME 4 already (an 'if') there definitely will be in the near future. That said, I wonder how many that are mouthing off about GNOME 3, and did mouth off about KDE 4, will actually provide any real input and contribute to either project so their voices are heard.
Something tells me the number will be close to absolute zero.
I tried using the link for the 64bit Multilib release of the Gentoo LiveDVD and got a 404 error. I then just chose the download link and selected my favourite Gentoo mirror which usually gives me about 1.6/mbps. I thought I'd make you aware, Ladislav.
Keep your stick on the ice...
90 • Brilliant. (by Jesse on 2012-04-01 19:24:13 GMT from United States)
Very funny article. Well played, distrowatch.com. :)
91 • The Future of Linux, obviously. (by Johann Popper on 2012-04-01 20:15:50 GMT from United States)
This is the greatest computer event since Windows CE, and I do not say that lightly.
92 • APRIL FOOOOLSSS (by dogbert0360 on 2012-04-01 20:56:55 GMT from United States)
93 • You had me going- until I remembered what day it is... (by Edna Crabapple on 2012-04-01 21:21:56 GMT from United States)
That was great, and had me laughing out loud.
But shhhh.... don't give those Gnome developers any ideas... LOL
94 • ahahah xD (by Louis on 2012-04-01 21:35:05 GMT from Canada)
i don't know why people hate kde 4!
i have kde 4 with netrunner and its verry good!
i know a DE named trinity that give update to the old kde 3.5x
i hate gnome and i will always hate it....
95 • Excellent !!!! (by Niki Kovacs on 2012-04-01 21:45:06 GMT from France)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!! Thanks for a good laugh ! And so true, BTW.
96 • so funny and so true :) (by disi on 2012-04-01 22:13:57 GMT from United Kingdom)
if you're running GNOME 4 on a portable device with a battery (i.e. laptop, netbook, tablet or smart phone), pulling out the power cord (if any) won't shut down, so you'll have to remove the battery as well
This actual happens on my netbook, if it goes to sleep and doesn't wake up anymore (Fedora 16 Gnome3) :P
97 • Choice (by Tornix Lovoids on 2012-04-01 22:24:03 GMT from United States)
There ARE other choices out there, people. As you would not patronize a business if it didn't have what you wanted, do not patronize a Linux desktop that doesn't suit you. I am using (and learning) Enightenment (thanks to Bodhi) and folks, there's no reason to put up with bloat and ugly, unproductive interfaces. I feel free now, as I don't have to be a part of the KDE/Gnome bitching crowd anymore. Most of us on here switched from Windows and had a small learning curve with Linux. Try something else! Quit complaining! No one is listening (apparently).
98 • GNOME (by Brandon Sniadajewski on 2012-04-01 22:31:23 GMT from United States)
That was so damn funny ... or is it? Once I saw the screenshots (looking ahead) I knew it was a joke. But then again with the way GNOME is going... who knows?
I suspect the GENTOO announcement is also a joke as well.
99 • Well Done GNOME! (by Abhijeet on 2012-04-01 22:32:12 GMT from India)
"GNOME 4, MATÉY, Nutmeg and Inanity"
I have not laughed this hard in some time. Kudos DW.
100 • Fooled! (by Dry Crust on 2012-04-01 23:40:07 GMT from New Zealand)
There is a sad truth that this joke brought out, which is the distaste and repugnance held for both Unity and Gnome 3, and that isn't a joke. I thought it was just me, but no, there are lots of users that have found the same thing as I have, and that isn't a joke either.
Ubuntu 12.04 is on its way, and it will have Unity 2 or whatever they like to call it, and all the indications I've seen are that it will be just as useless as Unity 1. Unity is such a joke of a desktop they don't even bother showing concurrent use of multiple applications in the advertising. Is this a joke?
101 • GNOME 4 and April 1 (by Subhashish on 2012-04-01 23:41:47 GMT from India)
This is the best April Fool's joke I've come across.
Very interesting and saucy to read.
Great use of concepts like swiss-army knife, nutmeg, inanity. The height of the article's humor was sending back the ipads to the manufacturer for switch the device off.
102 • Shame on you, Robert Storey ! (by Kevin on 2012-04-01 23:42:05 GMT from Canada)
This is a cleverly written April's fool joke. I had a good laugh. The problem is that Gnome 4 may actually look worse than a BSOD.
103 • Gnome devs are the curse of Linux (by AJSB on 2012-04-01 23:48:42 GMT from Portugal)
GNOME 3 and KDE4 were the reasons to go back to Windows....sad but true.
XFCE and LXDE are not quiete what i want (no matter XFCE is very close)....maybe by XFCE 5 i return...
104 • 1st of April? (by Tom on 2012-04-01 23:50:58 GMT from Sweden)
Hehe. Kicks and whoops all over the place. And I was really jumping when I saw the headline. But it took only a few seconds to figure it out.
Can't say I agree though.
105 • GNOME 3+ (by Greg on 2012-04-01 23:51:51 GMT from Greece)
Actually since GNOME 3 is modelled after my favourite window manager, ratpoison many of the stuff you write, at least at the first of the article, would be a step forward.
PS. My default desktop is much more cleaner than your first screenshot. Its just plain black.
Happy April Fools
106 • True pleasure (by hank on 2012-04-01 23:52:40 GMT from Germany)
That was a true pleasure to read that article. One of the best april fool jokes i've seen today. Excellent work!
107 • Gnome 4 (by Dorcus on 2012-04-01 23:53:04 GMT from United States)
It would have been more realistic if it had been about KDE. -)
108 • hilarious (by imnotrich on 2012-04-01 23:59:13 GMT from Mexico)
Great article, but overlooks the fact that Gnome 3, Unity, KDE4 and any similar interface were written by delusional developers who actually do think productivity ARE SO 20TH CENTURY!
Those aforementioned desktop environments are a sick joke.
What were they thinking? Were drugs involved?
109 • Gnome4 (by Lil on 2012-04-02 00:46:38 GMT from United States)
Did Linus Torvalds really say that?
110 • RE: 98 (by Landor on 2012-04-02 01:08:04 GMT from Canada)
I've been looking through the DVD for a while now, it's legit. There might be some surprise as suggest in the Gentoo forums. I haven't looked deep enough to find one though.
Keep your stick on the ice...
111 • Gnome 4 -- perfect (by Liam on 2012-04-02 01:53:50 GMT from United States)
I LOVE the new Gnome 4 screen shot. It perfectly matches my wife's eyes: blue and blank.
The desktop evokes my primary work ethic: lethargy.
Finally, I have a reason to turn on my computer.
112 • Speechless (by Andy Figueroa on 2012-04-02 01:55:07 GMT from United States)
Looks like a case study on how to slip from #1 into obscurity.
113 • WTF (by blakwolf on 2012-04-02 01:58:44 GMT from United States)
Haha! Anything from Gnome starting with the number 3 is utterly useless. I'm running Gnome 2.32.1 Linux Mint 11 Katya 64Bit. I refuse to use any newer version of gnome till they stop designing it for two year olds. My systems are for serious work. HEY GNOME, TRICKS ARE FOR KIDS YOU SILLY RABBIT!
114 • Agreement (by Liam on 2012-04-02 02:16:06 GMT from United States)
I want to agree with everyone who found this Gnome 4 article to be a brilliant piece of satire and humor, at precisely the right time.
I remember one April when someone penned a piece called, "How To Install Linux On A Dead Badger." Not, since then, until now, have I been so entertained by an April 1 antic.
This new Gnome 4 desktop would look very nice on road-kill.
Thanks to the brilliant and tireless writers for DistroWatch.com, the first Web site I turn to each day.
115 • Linux Mint (by Glen on 2012-04-02 02:38:58 GMT from United States)
I think you meant to say . "We need to listen to our users," Clem wrote in the Mint forum, "and what our users are telling us is that they want GNOME 2. But since they can't have that, I intend to give them the next best thing - I'm beginning work on Nutmeg, which is basically a set of extensions to the GNOME 4 shell so that it appears almost identical to GNOME 2."
116 • Special Report: First Look at GNOME 4 - the Future of Portability (by Bobby on 2012-04-02 03:08:50 GMT from India)
Great article. I enjoyed it very much specially the Gnome-4 part you covered. Matey part was also good.
You are wrong about Clement Lefebvre and distrowatch ranking. Let me clarify why it has overdone the desktop ranking. Because when Gnome-4 was launched and Unity was at the stage of 7.10, Clem was still trying to make Cinnamon behave like Gnome-2. As some of the Clem users wanted to have some functions of Gnome 3 and some users Unity. So the Clem was left behind from all other distros and was really in deep thought as to how he should make Cinnamon the way his users want. Hence the only working desktop was at that time Cinnamon. Hence the ranking gone up.
Regarding Ubuntu also you forgot to mention the fact that Marks Shuttleworth said that under HUD which is been more improved, now you can switch on and off all the appliances of your home and even check the temperature of gas, microwave etc. just by typing at HUD. And in Inanity, commands will be available for human beings also.
Any way. I like this article so much. I am gon'na share it with others.
117 • Gnome 4 (by Bill on 2012-04-02 03:25:13 GMT from United States)
Robert Storey had me laughing to tears. Thanks so much for the BSOD too.
I am quite happy with Xfce these days now that I have compiz and emerald installed on Xubuntu 12.04. Thanks again for the belly laugh. :-D
118 • It's beautiful! (by Many Faces on 2012-04-02 04:24:40 GMT from United States)
I always thought that pesky Operating System was getting in the way, anyways. Good to see that someone has the user in mind!
119 • @26 (by DeMus on 2012-04-02 04:42:16 GMT from Netherlands)
What you said there about the Gnome developers is true. They really should be moved to another project. Maybe Microsoft can use some more idiots for their version of Gnome 3 called Windows 8.
120 • The joke's on us (by tim on 2012-04-02 05:21:34 GMT from United States)
I think GNOME 3 was a prank, as well.
121 • Gnome 4 is going to be a huge success as MS WINDOWS 8 (by bobagain on 2012-04-02 05:31:25 GMT from Italy)
After a day of comments I think my first impression was right. Gnome 4 is going to be a huge success regardless of all the complaints.
Even comparable to Windows 8.
I thought it was almost impossible to replicate the success accomplished by Microsoft with their joke, but the Linux community did it with a comparable result, both the two jokes of these 'impossible to exist and work with' OS get a lot of credits and comments.
The demonstration this is the way to go
122 • @115 (by JR on 2012-04-02 05:40:05 GMT from Brazil)
no, he really meant gnome 3, this is part of the joke!
123 • gnome screenshot (by cornel panceac on 2012-04-02 06:03:58 GMT from Romania)
is the (one and only) screenshot suppose to be just an empty square? and, it's not blue :)
124 • Special Report: First Look at GNOME 4 - the Future of Portability (by Robert Sto (by win2linconvert on 2012-04-02 06:18:59 GMT from United States)
125 • @ 7 Unbelievably verified by jxliv7 (by win2linconvert on 2012-04-02 06:26:48 GMT from United States)
I thought you were going to say that the typing of "Bowser" triggered the opening of MPlayer playing a rendition of "Goodnight Sweetheart" by Sha Na Na. Lol
126 • Huh? (by Robert Schiele on 2012-04-02 06:47:40 GMT from United States)
I actually had to read this review twice, since the first time through I could not believe what I was reading. After the second read-through, I'm even more incredulous than I was the first time around. I simply cannot believe that even a complete idiot would think that having to somehow hold down no less than FIVE keys, which cannot even physically be done with one hand, while at the same time typing something simply to start an application, could under any conceivable conditions be a good thing, or even an acceptable one. Are these developers all smoking crack? Even the so-called explanation given for this setup strikes me as bogus. Do they actually think that any significant number of people will actually even consider loading a Linux system into a mobile device which, after all, will have certainly shipped with an operating system already installed? And even for those who might consider such a move, how many would have sufficient technical expertise even to begin to undertake such an operation? Granted, the earlier Gnome 2.x environment was designed to run solely on desktops and laptops, but that is where the vast bulk of the Linux user base exists, and that will remain so. As far as I'm concerned, based on this review, all these so-called developers have accomplished (if one can call it that) was to take the finest PC desktop environment available, rip out of it every single feature which made it so, and are now trying to convince us that this is somehow a good thing. This is easily one of the most utterly preposterous things I have ever read in my entire life.
127 • LULzz (by Digital on 2012-04-02 06:54:41 GMT from United States)
I actually told myself too check the news today and see all the funny April Fool's jokes, but I still got about 5 paragraphs before it hit me. *hits forehead* Well played Distrowatch, well played.
128 • I can imagine Mark Shuttleworth actually saying this too!! (by Mark Skinner on 2012-04-02 07:50:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
"Our plan now is to have Inanity ready to be the default desktop for Ubuntu 12.10, and with luck it should be stable within the next five years."
129 • songn of the times (by Doug on 2012-04-02 08:53:14 GMT from Serbia)
fortune utility is already upgraded to work in Gnome 4, it has just one line in the database so far:
'keep your stick on the ice..'
130 • Humour (by Robert Storey) (by winter on 2012-04-02 09:19:02 GMT from United States)
131 • Gnome 4 (by CliffyB on 2012-04-02 09:48:54 GMT from United States)
Wow, just wow. Does becoming a Linux user mean you give up a sense of humor? Even the ones that got the joke are still griping. Take a breath, people.
132 • killerapps (by stefan on 2012-04-02 10:18:27 GMT from Germany)
"xrootconsole" = simple programm which can be used to print arbitary ascii-output to defined areas of the xroot. it can be used independntly of your choice of windowmanager to build a notetaking app, search app, mailtracker, logtracker, newstracker, ... all by simple shellscripting. Outrules every widgetset i've ever seen for aqua or explorer. And you can use it to print arbitary bullshit to your screen to use for a low-budget scifi-movie. Just place a scientist-looking person in front and let him say: "omfg, a signal! it's a signal, hey joe, a signal, we've got a signal! ..."
133 • Congratulations DistroWatch (by tdockery97 on 2012-04-02 10:28:22 GMT from United States)
Based on some of the reactions I've read, I believe you have pulled off the absolute #1 April Fools Day joke on the entire internet.• Personal top ten (by Marti on 2012-04-02 10:30:26 GMT from United States)
1 - LXDE (I know , not an app)
2 - midori browser
3 - leafpad editor
4 - xchat
5 - pcman file manager
6 - osmo personal info manager
7 - synaptic package manager (yes, synaptic)
8 - totem player
9 - libreoffice suite
10 - sound juicer player
134 • Gnome 4 (by M on 2012-04-02 10:38:42 GMT from Australia)
That is uncannily like my OpenBox setup.
No panel, no icons just a few shortcut keys & gmrun.
135 • Gnome 4 (by Sat Nam on 2012-04-02 11:22:44 GMT from United States)
The only thing more ridiculous and unwarranted than Gnome 4 is the hate that was heaped on Gnome 3.
136 • @131 & 129 (by Antony on 2012-04-02 11:26:04 GMT from United Kingdom)
@131: Count me in.
I like elements of the various environments, but overall, I prefer KDE.
Regardless of whether Unity & Gnome Shell are the best replacements for Gnome 2, I do think that Gnome 2 needed a bit of updating/tweaking.
Again, I liked KDE 3, and it could have been improved upon. KDE 4 is what I use day to day, although I think it did go a little bit overboard here and there.
Even if Windows was legally available at no cost. I would still rather use Unity or Gnome Shell (probably Unity I think), if they were the only alternative.
I actually don't think the Gnome 2 replacements are complete and utter unusable disasters and I actually would be able to use them without too much fuss. Even if I used one or the other as my preferred environment, I dare say I would still find the G4 article very funny.
@129: Count me out.
Thanks for the heads-up - that's a show-stopper for me!!
137 • Top ten killer apps (by tbutuza on 2012-04-02 12:19:11 GMT from Hungary)
As Wikipedia says, the killer app is not only popular or professional application but it has a special role also:
A killer app should increase the popularity of the platform on which it runs.
My point of view: A killer app should closely related to a particular platform or operating system.
When we are looking for killer apps for Linux (Because we are in Distrowatch...), we should choose programs more tightly related to Linux.
For example, I do not choose Firefox. It is a popular software but not tied to Linux therefore it cannot be a killer app for Linux.
Firefox's popularity increase the usability all of the platforms on which it runs, not only Linux.
For killer apps for Linux we should choose programs primarily targeted to this Platform.
138 • Top ten killer applications (by Cybertooth on 2012-04-02 12:27:16 GMT from Romania)
Other apps worth mentioning (not necessarily in a preference order):
139 • Nice joke, but.. (by Shawn on 2012-04-02 12:54:28 GMT from United States)
Some things shouldn't be joked about, ya know? Like a wife or gf saying they cheated on you, or your kid isn't yours and is actually the mailman's.. but in all seriousness, like someone above me posted, the Gentoo Live DVD isn't small and people who have used this disk before can appreciate it having an installer. Heck, I just downloaded it too and one of the main reasons I did was because it said it had an installer. I guess to turn a negative into a positive I can look at it as a new Live DVD that is updated.. imagine how long it would take to emerge/update all those packages after a fresh install? Oh wait, nevermind.. you can't install it by default anyway :|
As for Gnome 4, I hear KDE is going to do the same thing and adopt it. They're known for that awesome blue background by default :) I hate to sound like a scrooge, but.. like I said above, some things should not be joked about. Bah humbug I guess?
140 • top ten (by sebas on 2012-04-02 12:56:29 GMT from Brazil)
Agreed about your list, they are great and necessary softwares.
- We must not forget Wine (which gives the opportunity to users of free OSes to use esoteric apps and therefore not need the correspondent proprietary OS in a VM)
- In the same way, the free Virtual Machines are to salute, and probably owe a place inside the top 10, t hey opened the market against VMWare and others. Imagine how it would be if the MS Hypervisor was dominant ? :-(
- The pdf readers are a nice alternative to the awfully bloated acrobate
141 • Gentoo Installer (by LinuxAdmin on 2012-04-02 13:04:05 GMT from United States)
I fell for it! What a waste of bandwidth as some others suggested. No wonder Gentoo as see a slide in popularity. First Daniel Robbins, now this. I am so happy for distros like Sabayon carrying on legacy of a once wonderful distro.
142 • Death to Gnome2.x (by Eddie on 2012-04-02 13:19:03 GMT from United States)
Gnome 4 was great news. Things were getting boring listening to the same old boo hoo all the time. Maybe this will give all the Gnome 2 crybabies something else to cry about. they've rubbed their eyes raw because of Gnome 3 and Unity even tho some developers threw them a bone in the form of Cinnamon and Mate. They did not have to learn anything too new, (or too hard), in order to use their computers but alas, they're still not productive. Maybe it's because their eyes are swollen from the crying and they've forgotten how, or can't see to turn on their computers. All in all I don't blame the developers for not listening to their complaints or DEMANDS. If little children get what they want all the time then you end up with little spoiled brats. It's fun to watch and it's fun to have someone to make fun of. Can't wait until KDE 5.0
143 • A little KDE love (by vw72 on 2012-04-02 13:23:45 GMT from United States)
KDE 4.0 and several early 4.x releases were never meant for production systems, even though many distros included it. That gave KDE 4 a bad rap.
Current KDE 4.8.1 is very stable and extremely configurable. If one doesn't like the default layout, change it. It can be made to look just as pretty or ugly as any DE out there (with the possible exception of E17). It can even be made to look and act like KDE 3.5 (or even Unity), if that is your cup of tea.
My point with all of this, is that people were upset and left KDE when KDE 4 didn't live up to expectations. If you switched from KDE to Gnome when KDE 4 came out and XFCE or the minimalist DEs don't suit you, maybe it is time to give KDE a second look.
144 • Top apps. (by Antony on 2012-04-02 13:30:54 GMT from United Kingdom)
Apart from those listed by Jesse, I consider Digikam as one of the top apps.
I hesitate to include Amarok.
I also like KMyMoney and GRAMPS.
145 • Killer Applications (by dragonmouth on 2012-04-02 13:42:55 GMT from United States)
@ Jesse: Lists like Killer Apps or Best Ten Of... provide a starting point as to what to use but are highly subjective based on user's familiarity with the apps and the family of distros used. While users may agree on the majority of the apps on the list, everyone will have their own favorites for the rest.
For example, you mention Ubuntu Software Center as the best Linux package manager. I find USC clunky and cumbersome to use, preferring Synaptic. But then I have been using Synaptic almost exclusively for the past 4 or 5 years so I am very familiar with it. Besides USC only works with Ubuntu and its derivatives so it may be considered an Ubuntu "Killer App" but not a Lijux one.
Then there are those that insist that CLI 'apt' is the only way to update a system.
146 • Gnome 3 is fine (by meanpt on 2012-04-02 14:02:08 GMT from Portugal)
The joke text is stupid and went too far away. Gnome 3 is fine on any touch screen. And the holly wholly mighty Linus should keep his mouth shut instead of behaving like some kind of a jerky Bella Dona opera singer, either on gnome either on the too much security of distributions - comes to mind his really sad complains about openSuse requiring the administrator password for more than he thought it should, just because his kids were using the distribution on their shiny apple macs, as if the rest of the world had anything to do with his childish temper.
147 • Gnome does it Again! (by andy on 2012-04-02 14:27:23 GMT from United States)
Just installed Mythbuntu with the new Gnome 4.0 on my DVR box. Works great! It's awesome to have all those silly commercials and television shows replaced with that pleasant blue screen. I think it might be recording something too because the HD access light is going like crazy. One word of caution though - I also installed it on my LG fridge and now it tells me I don't need ice for my drinks anymore. Hopefully this will be addressed in Gnome 4.0.1.
148 • Gnome 4 review (by Grzegorz W on 2012-04-02 14:47:32 GMT from United States)
Thanks for excellent GNOME 4 review - that's system I was allways dreaming of !
I would only add that KDE just released beta version of their KDE 5 release and named it "Congrats" to show respect to their Gnome colegues for their Gnome 4 beta :).
149 • Computer April Fools Jokes (by PFYearwood on 2012-04-02 16:00:08 GMT from United States)
The last time I took an April column in a computer publication as a joke, it turned out to be for real. The first time I read about something called a Computer Virus I thought it was a cute April Fool's Day joke. Then I called my brother, an IT guy at a local major bank. he informed me that a computer virus is no joke. At least until I switched to Linux. Still, you never know what is coming next in the world of computers. You can even get one for $35 US.
Paul The Trusting.
150 • Gnome 4 (by KK on 2012-04-02 16:08:28 GMT from India)
Can't recollect when I came across so many comments on DW within hours of weekly getting posted.
Great article on Gnome 4. Probably you may need more than 10 fingers to execute some shortcut in Gnome in near future. You never know.
151 • April fools (by Patrick on 2012-04-02 17:08:43 GMT from United States)
The funniest thing is that so many haters completely miss the joke that is on them.
"We need to listen to our users," Clem wrote in the Mint forum, "and what our users are telling us is that they want GNOME 3. But since they can't have that, I intend to give them the next best thing - I'm beginning work on Nutmeg, which is basically a set of extensions to the GNOME 4 shell so that it appears almost identical to GNOME 3."
That part seems to be predicting the future. When KDE4 came out, people whined that they wanted KDE3. GNOME 3 is out so people whine that they want GNOME 2. When GNOME 4 is released, people will whine that they want to keep their familiar GNOME 3 (yes, 3 -- GNOME 2 will be long forgotten by then). Some things never change.
152 • Gnome 4, Free (by Geezyr on 2012-04-02 17:14:27 GMT from United States)
Free, as in speech.
Free, as in beer.
Free, as in content.
... and worth every penny.
Thanks for the grins.
153 • Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 (by dude on 2012-04-02 17:31:04 GMT from Thailand)
Just saw a screen shot of Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2. It still has Unity. No thanks! I'll wait for Mint 13 with Cinnamon instead.
154 • GNOME 4 (by Vandrvekn on 2012-04-02 17:35:55 GMT from United States)
What makes this funny is that after GNOME 3, most people were halfway through the article before they realized that it was an April Fools' joke.
155 • @146 - meanpt (by corneliu on 2012-04-02 17:43:47 GMT from Canada)
You post is a joke. Most likely an April 1st joke even if today is April 2nd.
Repeat after me: Gnome 3 is not fine.
To all those who compare the complaints that KDE 4 received early with the complaints about Gnome 3: Puh-lease, it's not the same thing. The complaints regarding KDE 4 were about stability and performance (or lack of). The KDE 4 devs stated from the very beginning that all missing functionality will come back ASAP. The complaints regarding Gnome 3 are about missing functionality that will never come back.
156 • Killer Apps (by Matthias on 2012-04-02 19:07:07 GMT from Germany)
IMHO the only killer app I ever used is/are TeX and friends. Rock solid and no(!!!) annoying bugs. If you ever have to write anything longer than 2 pages use it. And no it is not difficult.
157 • @154 (by Barnabyh on 2012-04-02 19:19:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
Yep, it seems that after GNOME 3, or even in the world of computing in general, everything is possible, everything seems plausible.
What a fertile ground for more spoof stories ;).
158 • Re: Humour (by dj on 2012-04-02 19:54:55 GMT from Slovenia)
I have to admit - I was laughing my ass off reading Storey's article. My wife was already dialing the men in white. This is hands down the funniest piece of work I have read in ages. Looking forward to future reviews.
BTW. I love and use GNOME 3 (not nearly so much Unity). But still - Robert you do have the top wit.
159 • Gnome 4 Slogan: (by RO on 2012-04-02 22:28:59 GMT from United States)
If a cluttered desktop is the sign of a cluttered mind, we have the solution!
P.S. I REALLLLLY want one of those mega Swiss Army Knives! Distros with physical media should bundle one FTW!
160 • Death of the Linux desktop? (by gnobuddy on 2012-04-02 23:41:11 GMT from United States)
I've used Linux - and only Linux - for all my computing needs for eleven years now, since 2001. Linux met my wants better than any other OS, so it's the OS I used.
After all this time, incredible though it sounds, contemporary Linux has become unusable to me.
KDE 4.0 was the first stroke of disaster, an unusable mess that should have been called "Linux Vista". Each succeeding KDE version was prettier - and less usable, using twice the hardware resources of KDE 3.5.10 while providing half as many functional applications.
Gnome 3? Seriously, what the hell were the developers thinking? It's infinitely worse than Gnome 2, which itself was never my favorite desktop environment.
Unity? You have got to be kidding me. This might suit a three-year-old child learning how to use a computer for the first time. For adults wanting to use a computer for actual work, it's a bloody joke.
At one time Linux had, IMHO, the best desktop you could get on any personal computer - KDE 3.5.10. Konqueror was the best file manager by far, covering everything from routine file management to ssh connections to remote hosts and editing HTML files hosted on a distant webserver. A slew of other great apps kept it company - Kile for Latex documents, Quanta and Kate for web development and simple programming, Kuickshow for quick previews of digital photos, Amarok for my music, K3b for CD and DVD burning.
Now KDE, Gnome, and Unity are all worthless unusable crap. I have the option of working with primitive desktops and apps (JWM, XFCE, LXDE) that echo windows 95, or sticking with KDE 3.5.10 on an increasingly obsolete distribution, or struggling to install the Trinity Desktop Project on current versions of *buntu.
The desktop and apps ARE Linux to those of us who use the OS for actual work. Every time developers mess with these for no good reason, it's a waste of users time and effort. The only good reason to mess with a desktop or apps is to fix bugs and make them work better. Not to make them prettier at the cost of being less usable!
I've been eleven years on Linux, because "it sucks less than the other operating systems". And now I'm not sure that's true any longer - the available Linux desktops today are all junk, and I'm not a happy camper. If not for the Trinity Desktop Project, I would be considering a switch away from Linux, much though I hate the idea of re-entering the world of proprietary software and endless corporate interference and snooping.
So why the heck did the Linux desktop developers destroy desktop linux???
161 • Gnome 4 - Robert Storey - thank you! (by Flymo on 2012-04-02 23:50:18 GMT from Australia)
Dear Robert Storey, that was delicious! Blue screen patents, already...;)
It was also a fair-enough analysis of this confused situation, in my view.
I particularly like the way it holds out hope - in that Linus did (famously) once go to Gnome after KDE4 emerged prematurely to less than clamorous approval.
So, although the excellent Olivier Fourdan and the XFCE team have shown no signs of the sad affliction that has struck Gnome and Ubuntu, they should continue to be wary of uber-radical and ill-conceived rehashes - Linus (and the Linux world) do not stick around long when things go weird. Goal to shoot for, Gnome? Ubuntu?
There is always an alternative lurking in the wings, thanks to software freedom.
The dark horse emerging from all this is (for us) the surprisingly solid evolution of Enlightenment (E17) that is the focus of year-old Bodhi Linux, currently #12 in the Distrowatch charts, but it did blip to the top 3 (even #1) on point releases twice in the last year.
It also has a radically reconfigurable desktop (on the live CD) with a _separate_ small-screen tablet configuration that works fine on our hardware. Ah. good idea.
It's an ill wind....
Commiserations to the hard-working Gnome & Ubuntu devs who have a bitter pill to swallow - it's hard to see your baby shot down, but these things happen. There will surely be many useful technologies in these developments that will come to fruition eventually. Remember the Apple Lisa, and then the Mac?
Did I hear that Gnome was now working with Scene Graph techniques? That'd be useful. It's one of E17's not-so-secret performance advantages.
Let's all look forward to the day that the prodigals sort out their problems.
Nice one, Robert Storey.
162 • Light at the end of the tunel? (by fernbap on 2012-04-03 00:34:31 GMT from Portugal)
As a Mint user, i welcomed LMDE as the solution for the Ubuntu madness. However, LMDE went pretty much belly up. Mint 12, for all its brilliancy, is by far the best gnome 3 implementation currently, but that doesn't cut it as well, at least for my hardware.
SolusOS was created by LMDE developers when they realised that LMDE was not the way to go. It is a distro based on Debian Stable, with Gnome 2 and updated applications.
To my surprise, i installed it when RC1 came out, and kept coming to it, up to the point that it is now my work environment. Stable, fast, light, Gnome 2, updated applications. What more can you ask?
Although it is still on RC2, it has been rock solid with great performance.
Btw, just tried Ubuntu RC. Failed to boot... The first Ubuntu evern incapable of booting in my machine.
And some people still find strange that people are upset...
163 • Swiss Army Knife (by Bruce Fowler on 2012-04-03 00:59:31 GMT from United States)
BTW, that monster Swiss army knife was not a Photoshop or Inkscape creation. It really exists. It was made to demo *all* of the tools that can be optioned into an actual Swiss army knife. See: "http://www.amazon.com/Wenger-16999-Giant-Swiss-Knife/dp/B001DZTJRQ?tag=dealswoot-20" if you want to own one... :-)
164 • Killer Apps (by rmz81mintuser on 2012-04-03 01:16:41 GMT from Netherlands)
My 1 & Only killer-app is: XBMC.
It started as a project to turn your xbox into an mediacentre, after that it came available as software for linux, windows & mac. There is also a XBMC linux stand-alone distro (based on Ubuntu).
I, myself added it as a program in Linux Mint 12 and you can open it as a program at your normal desktop, or you can choose at the login to make XBMC as your desktop.
First I started with it on my old xbox, had to do some hacking of the machine, than hooked on my old CRT-TV and connected it with a cross-cable to my computer. After a while, I bought a small LED TV / Monitor (23") and another PC, now that it was easier to directly connect my PC to my TV I added XBMC to my distro's (I've been hopping around for a while, but now I'm staying for the time being with Linux Mint.
Now, when I want to do "normal PC stuff" I login into Cinnamon or MATE (I love both the "take me back to gnome 2 workarounds") and when i want to listen to some music, watch a movie or one of my tv-shows I login into the XBMC desktop. Than I put my Logitech K360 keyboard on my coffee-table & I can use it as my personal (king-size) remote.
And because it can turn your PC into an outstanding & easy to handle Media Center, therefore I would give a personal recommendation for everyone who want to make his PC into his personal "Home Theater"
Hope that you liked what I had to say about this piece of software,
rmz81, a convinced Linum Mint user from The Netherlands
165 • Filezilla (by Vakkotaur on 2012-04-03 02:18:07 GMT from United States)
While it's great that Filezilla can do things securely, I find it a pain to actually use. The UI seems bound and determined to be anti-user. Whenever I can, I use gFTP as the UI makes sense (source machine here, destination machine there, and what gets done to what is clear and simple). Filezilla comes across, to me, as the Gnome 3 of FTP clients.
166 • tastes great, less filling (by dick on 2012-04-03 04:28:53 GMT from United States)
Looking for something less filling. Was thinking of making the switch to Linux but, I'll just wait for Gnome 0.
167 • (by JR on 2012-04-03 04:30:44 GMT from Brazil)
@ 142 and 151:
I think he was making fun of the situation as a whole and not just of crybabies or haters .... see the reaction of @ 146.
@ 143 "Current KDE 4.8.1 is very stable and extremely configurable.":
Agreed. After a long time avoiding KDE I have to admit that KDE4 is finally ready to use!
@ 160 "KDE 4.0 was the first stroke of disaster, an unusable mess That Should Have Been called" Linux Vista. "Each succeeding KDE version was prettier - and less usable, using twice the hardware resources of KDE 3.5.10 Providing half while the many functional applications. "
have you tried KDE 4.8.1? if by chance it does not work for you it might be worth taking a look at Mandriva 2011, it's the one I'm using at the moment and I have to admit the new interface won me once I get used to it ..
@ 162 SolusOS "Stable, fast, light, Gnome 2, updated applications. What more can you ask?"
I'm just waiting for the 64bit version, this system is like a dream, but how long will it last?
168 • Gnome 4 (by Marcos Jacoby on 2012-04-03 04:50:23 GMT from Brazil)
Firstly, I want to express that after searching through Google search, nothing found on Gnome 4.
Which I can only conclude to be an April Fools joke.
Ok! It's okay to play a little!
But playing against a background of sober subjects?
Because if Gnome 3 is not very popular among linuxers with that joke will be even less!
169 • Gnome 4 (by Marcos Jacoby on 2012-04-03 04:54:23 GMT from Brazil)
Missed talking about the new version of Android development, version 20.
Will use the engine of the browser Chromium 4.0 using FAT12 file system, an architecture à la BSD Unix, or Apple with KDE plasma layered with Openbox under Enlightenement!
170 • @168 (by JR on 2012-04-03 04:59:50 GMT from Brazil)
"Firstly, I want to express that after searching through Google search, nothing found on Gnome 4."
Espero que seja outra piada,mas se não for te pergunto:
Você leu os outros comentários antes de escrever?
171 • VLC sucks. Can't even play streaming videos correctly. (by RJA on 2012-04-03 05:16:03 GMT from United States)
When I tried VLC on Debian Squeeze with the FlashVideoReplacer plugin, the video portion kept cutting out.
And VLC was changing the pitch randomly under Windows 2000 Pro SP4 on my Dell Latitude CPi laptop.
Even a Pentium II 233 is more than enough for MP3 encoding.
In fact, it was playing it at too high of a pitch! I facepalmed..
172 • on the Special report: GNOME 4 (by lott on 2012-04-03 06:09:04 GMT from Colombia)
There was one thing that Robert Storey forgot, and that would be.
That Linux users do not discriminate like OS/X user, in utilizing windows key boards.
Or is that a patten holding item also.
I did wonder a bought one thing, if windows had patten the all time key stroke that was invented by IBM you know Ctrl-ALT-Delete.
Or would it be to much.
173 • @160 (by gre on 2012-04-03 06:59:22 GMT from Slovenia)
"KDE 4.0 was the first stroke of disaster, an unusable mess that should have been called "Linux Vista". Each succeeding KDE version was prettier - and less usable, using twice the hardware resources of KDE 3.5.10 while providing half as many functional applications."
Are you sure that is a good analogy? By this windows 7 sucks because it uses a lot more ram than Windows 3.11 did. People and computers moved on. if there is more ram to use in standard PC then why not use it?
Additionally KDE now has a low fat package which will drastically reduce amount of ram spent for the OS and make it less preety for those that don't want it like that.
A razor QT project was also started which is kind of lite KDE. at ht emoment it used less than 140 Mb when idle.
I htink it might deserve a short review if it didnt get it already.
174 • Don't worry, folks... (by Adam Williamson on 2012-04-03 07:56:06 GMT from Canada)
...we're working full steam to get GNOME 4 into Fedora 17 as a tech preview. To access it, just pass the parameter 'gnome4' to the kernel. Or alternatively, boot with any graphics card I don't own.
175 • it is no joke (by lott on 2012-04-03 10:08:21 GMT from Colombia)
Is it really too hard to think? ho wait! that is the way most users view life now days.
You can not use your heads!! Ho wait that is for geeks,. or was it all Linux users.
Nope that is it! all user have gotten to too lazy.
They do not even take the time to look at the date on the calender.
Yes this is a joke!! not only that it was on April fools day, but most can or wont even laugh.
Granted some are from other countries, but from the start it was obvious to see that it was a Joke.
They are doing the same thing bitching a bought every thing,
Things are bad or not to your liking do something, help out rewrite the code.
How a bought just a small donation to you favorite distribution.
But no! it easy just to bitch and gripe, but you will pay $179 for windows.
But wont spend a dime on Linux.
And then have the nerve to complaint, why did you support in any way or manner.
How a bought this sent the cost of that one beer that you are going to have on Friday night, to your favorite distribution.
Then you may have a reason to bitch after one years time.
By the way it was a pleasure like all ways reading the weekly DW.
176 • Fun article (by Alex daemon on 2012-04-03 11:26:23 GMT from Romania)
I enjoyed the Humor section of the distrowatch weekly.Very well done,it got lols out of me and i never laughed from reading something regarding IT before,perhaps more articles like this in the future.It would be a nice addition to already a great piece of reading.Keep up the good work. ;)
177 • GNOME 4 "review" hilarious (by Sean J on 2012-04-03 12:13:55 GMT from Canada)
I giggled away at regular intervals reading the GNOME 4 article. Well done.
178 • Free applications (by Koroshiya Itchy on 2012-04-03 12:19:45 GMT from Slovakia)
Among those not mentioned yet, I would add (in no particular order):
- Kdenlive (in my opinion, superior to OpenShot). Lumiera and Ingex also look promising, but they are still in an early stage of development.
- Unetbootin (for distrohoppers).
- MP3 Diags.
- Synaptic (a classic, in the etymological sense).
- VMD (I would recommend UCSF Chimera but the source code is not provided).
- XSane (oldie-goldie).
179 • I want Ultimate Edition 3.2 (by Carling on 2012-04-03 12:48:16 GMT from United States)
I have downloaded Ultimate Edition 3.2 several times from different mirrors When I come to install it everything works fine until the very last minute when it comes to write the grub2 file then it crashes out,, Now contacting the Ultimate developers team has become another thing. TheMahan has disappeared from the face of the earth, The website has moved to the outer reaches of space and can no longer be reached. I want Ultimate 3.2 how can I get it Installed
180 • GoboLinux (by Charles Wilson on 2012-04-03 14:24:26 GMT from United States)
GoboLinux, listed on DistroWatch as a "Dormant" Distro, is (probably) closing its forum, barring a last minute change of heart.
In a more perfect world, this "nice idea" would have struggled but kept on going. Gobo had some VERY good organizational aspects.
Have a look at the site. As always, "Mebbe someone will..."
181 • @175 (by TobiSGD on 2012-04-03 17:35:59 GMT from Germany)
What is wrong with you? How can you determine which of the people that are complaining about Gnome Shell, Unity, whatever, ... haven't contributed in any way?
I am not good at coding, so I can't contribute with that, I am currently unemployed again, so I can't donate money. I am not a good artist, so I can't help with designing themes or similar. But I am somewhat proficient when it comes to hardware and Linux, so i spend around 20+ hours a week on the LinuxQuestions.org forum helping other people to solve their Linux and hardware related problems. This is contributing, so I have, IMHO, any right to complain about things I think are made wrong or going in the wrong direction.
I will say what I think is damaging to Linux, to Gnome or whatever.
Oh, and by the way, yes, I have spent about 80€ for my Vista back in the days, simply because I need it for gaming. Linux is nonetheless my OS of choice (Slackware in particular). The world is not black and white only, get over it.
Having said that, there would have been a simple solution to prevent bitching about Gnome Shell: They shouldn't have called it Gnome in the first place. The people expected Gnome 3 to be a better Gnome 2 (like KDE 4 is a better KDE 3, don't beat me), but they didn't deliver something like that, they delivered a totally different thing, so they should have named it different.
182 • @160 @179 etc (by claudecat on 2012-04-03 19:26:28 GMT from United States)
@160 - KDE 4.8.1 uses less ram at startup than gnome (any version), unity or even xfce for me (around 230k on gentoo, a bit more on other distros). KDE 4 has been extremely usable since at least 4.5... I recently installed CentOS and even there 4.3.something works just fine. Functional applications? KDE includes more of them than any other DE... K3B, ark, kate, gwenview, etc are all top of the line apps.
@179 - I had no luck with UE until I downloaded the torrent. The direct dl always crashed on me late in the install process. BTW, what a strange distro! Insane eye-candy and every app under the sun, all using gnome 3 classic. If you love dark backgrounds and rotating cursors, this one's for you.
As for the gnome 4 bit? LOVED it! Haven't laughed that hard in ages!
183 • @181 (by lutz on 2012-04-03 21:15:08 GMT from Germany)
tobi. that is right. contribute where you can. there is always a way to do it :)
184 • 'buntu Spinoffs (by Toowoomba Linux on 2012-04-03 22:37:59 GMT from Australia)
Perhaps it's just me but it's nice to see a week where there's more innovative, specialist Distros than 'buntu-spinoffs. DEFT OS is nicely innovative (which is 'buntu based) and Fuduntu is just kinda wierd and happily unexpected. A Web Kiosk OS, a Virtual Environment OS, a Red Hat based OS, an OS for kids, a couple of Utility OS's and the usual plethora of wacky 'leet OS's like Gentoo and BSD all continue breathing fresh life into the Linux Patheon.
I find all the reconfigured Gnome Desktop based on Ubuntu .... rather cluttering. It would be more innovative of them if they made a nice script to run on an existing Ubuntu install (like the Mint Desktop package) so it installs the Desktop which works for them. This way there's no need to download a full OS to try their own shiny 'buntu creation, which may not work for me.
185 • Ever been to an art gallery? (by Onederer on 2012-04-04 02:26:24 GMT from United States)
If you've been to an art gallery, and stood in front of a picture, puzzled and wondering what the .... is that thing I'm looking at? Well, it's come to that point with Gnome. It's become a blue abstract joke! Only the up-in-the-clouds developers understand what they are trying to do or represent. And they don't really care about the lowly users.
If I want to do keyboard gymnastics, I'll do it with a console. The developers can stay in their dreamy Blue Heaven. As for me, I'll look elsewhere, where my Linux is easy and simple to use. I'm not a high flier. I like it with my feet firmly planted to the ground.
186 • @181 (by JR on 2012-04-04 04:22:56 GMT from Brazil)
"there would have been a simple solution to prevent bitching about Gnome Shell: They shouldn't have called it Gnome in the first place. The people expected Gnome 3 to be a better Gnome 2 (like KDE 4 is a better KDE 3, don't beat me), but they didn't deliver something like that, they delivered a totally different thing, so they should have named it different."
I totally agree with you Tobi.
I do not want to criticize gnome3, it is just that your statement is what I think too, I do not think there's anything wrong with gnome3, I just think that is not gnome!
gnome3 is not bad, is just another thing, a new project and should have taken another name!
I really would like others to understand that this is very different from criticizing the new features or different operating manners ...
187 • change the names, yes! (by RollMeAway on 2012-04-04 05:14:35 GMT from United States)
I also agree that gnome3 should have had a completely different name.
Same goes for grub2. It is not related to grub-0.97 (legacy), anymore than lilo is.
Say they decided to stop making Corvette. Decided to make a flat bed mini truck instead, but called it Corvette2.
Wouldn't go over too well either.
188 • Papug Linux (by RollMeAway on 2012-04-04 05:32:37 GMT from United States)
I installed papug last January, thinking I had found a quick way to install a minimal gentoo.
The script installer put grub in my mbr, without warning. Recovered OK.
Proceeded to try to get portage up to date. What a mess.
No history (portage database) was present. Had to recompile every pkg installed.
Purged apache and a few other pkgs I have no use for.
Wasted over a week, just getting my minimal gentoo installation.
Was NOT a time saver. Much quicker to do a stage 3 gentoo install from scratch.
If Caitlyn had only done her review before, would have saved me much time.
P.S. I was a sucker for the "Gentoo install wizard" . Yes, I was an April Fool.
Thought the devs had finally came to their senses and joined the real world.
Had the DVD 1/3 downloaded, before I found the forum joke.
Killed the download and deleted the partial.
Have NO use for a bloated LIVE dvd of gentoo.
189 • RE: 188 (by Landor on 2012-04-04 06:05:55 GMT from Canada)
No distribution is ever going to be an easy Gentoo solution. They just can't be configured that way. One thing I'm shocked about in the review was that CM stated it took two days to update. I had installed KDE, and what I consider a fairly full desktop, on the same kind of machine, the N270 but with 2GB of RAM. The whole deal took me just over 12 hours. I can't see how updating a system, especially one with a light WM, could take 48 hours. Even rebuilding/updating GCC and such which are huge. Something had to be wrong there somewhere.
I'm glad I downloaded the DVD. I didn't want it for the installer, I wanted to do a test run on all the installed DEs and WMs. I could not believe how fast KDE 4.8.1 booted to the desktop. It's a massive improvement over anything prior. Not massive, unbelievable actually. When I watched it fly through the splash screen, and then hit the desktop, I was in awe.
I may install it though. It's not that big of a deal to. A bit of work, but all in all, it's a lot faster than installing everything than what's on it would be. Also, you could block a lot of it from being updated too, once it's installed.
Keep your stick on the ice...
190 • How do I turn it off, again? (by Somewhat Reticent on 2012-04-04 09:08:32 GMT from United States)
I finally downloaded gv4 after combining torrent, ftp and http links, and so far it's been great to unify all my computers, appliances and vehicles. However, after checking with my power company and NASA I have to ask - were we expecting several eclipses today?
191 • @188/189: Responses to comments on PapugLinux (by Caitlyn Martin on 2012-04-04 15:46:08 GMT from United States)
@rollmeaway: The PapugLinux website does warn about the lack of intelligence in the bootloader script and does suggest manually adding PapugLinux to the boot loader in dual/multiboot installations. Of course, we Linux users tend not to RTFM if we think we know what we are doing. Fortunately writing a review forces me to be thorough and review the documentation. Otherwise I expect I would have done exactly as you have done and overwritten the bootloader on the MBR.
@Landor: I expect it took as long as it did for me to upgrade for precisely the reason rollmeaway described: with no Portage history it effectively rebuilds the entire distro. One thing to keep in mind is that PapugLinux is still based on Gentoo 11.1 and not 12.1 so there is some substantial upgrading to do. I don't think comparing your upgrade of a vanilla Gentoo system to an upgrade of PapugLinux into Gentoo is an apples-to-apples comparison. I expect that my system performance is very close to yours.
All: In general PapugLinux works very well as a lightweight live CD. As my conclusion makes fairly clear, I am not at all sold on PapugLinux as an installable distro. OTOH, if a 12.1 version comes out soon and a Portage history is added it could be far more acceptable in the future. This distro is interesting enough to keep an eye on how it develops in the future.
192 • #190 (by zykoda on 2012-04-04 16:46:16 GMT from United Kingdom)
Axe the power cord!
193 • RE: 191 (by Landor on 2012-04-04 17:34:58 GMT from Canada)
Sadly, it's apples and oranges now because I gave the netbook (an ASUS) to someone who desperately needed one for school, or I could do a comparison. Not to prove you wrong either of course, but to see for myself. KDE is a major installation in its own right, even in comparison to a full system upgrade. But also, as you said, it's quite an old system to be updating.
On the bootloader issue, I have one boot loader installed and absolutely never let any other distribution touch my MBR if I can help it. Luckily I've only ran across issues twice where even explicitly selecting not to install the bootloader to MBR they have.
I'd even personally believe that KDE 4.8.1 is an extremely viable solution for a netbook now. I know a lot of others will read this and say they've used the KDE 4 series on netbooks without problem, and I say, that's nice, it still lags, and speed matters. But at least on my dual core laptop right now 4.8.1 is miraculous, and that's running live from the Gentoo DVD.
Keep your stick on the ice...
194 • Top Ten (by johnb on 2012-04-04 17:45:10 GMT from United States)
Even though it is not glamorous you need to include Samba. Think of all the millions of NAS and file sharing servers quietly chugging away.
195 • killer apps (by John on 2012-04-04 19:49:10 GMT from United States)
Wordnet, someone mentioned it on a Linux forum. I installed it and it is great
196 • Killer apps (by Lil on 2012-04-04 20:57:35 GMT from United States)
Mplayer/mencoder video/audio player/encoder gets my vote. Great to have a media player without the bloat of a GUI and the associated libraries.
197 • Learning from Gnome 3 (by Nate on 2012-04-05 13:42:45 GMT from United States)
Can we please stop making fun of Gnome 3? Granted it was a horrible mistake, but what's important is that we learn from it. We have learned that except for low power/ small screen environments, such as phones, application-centric interface design doesn't work. We learned people like having a menu where all applications can be launched from, but also like not having it the main method. We learned that in mainline environments, except in task management, when people select an icon, they expect it to launch a new occurrence of a program. We learned that people like being able to monitor all of their tasks, "although the ps command proved that." We learned that some people prefer a mouse, some keyboard, and we should cater to both equally. Conversely, we learned about the value of keeping keyboard use fast, although we knew that in the 60s, which is why most of the command line commands don't exceed 4 letters, most of which don't have capitals. Gnome 3 was terrible, but we learned from it.
I would like to thank the Gnome 3 developers for trying to develop a better user environment, and ask everyone to get off their backs. Granted, they failed, but what's important is that we learn from it and we experimented with interface design. Let's hope the real Gnome 4 is just as creative, but learns from the previous versions.
198 • Killer apps (by fernbap on 2012-04-05 15:57:13 GMT from Portugal)
ffmpeg and winff
199 • Some people need to lighten up a little (by Caitlyn Martin on 2012-04-05 18:14:33 GMT from United States)
I thought Robert's April Fools article was very funny. I thoroughly enjoyed it. For those who see it as an attack on GNOME 3, all I can say is: lighten up. You know the new desktop paradigm is controversial. There is nothing wrong at all with playing on that controversy in a humorous way. Those who are trying to squelch the voices of those that disagree with them or decrying an April Fools story are way off base, IMHO.
I'm ambivalent about GNOME 3 and Unity. I don't care for them much myself but I know people who think they are wonderful. It's a matter of preference. I understand from a business perspective why Canonical is pushing Unity. I also understand why some people, those of us who write or develop code or just plain need to use a keyboard a lot for other apps are not at all happy with the changes in the modern desktop. I'm part of that group but I honestly don't see the point in getting worked up about it. The nice thing about Linux is that we have lots of desktop choices. Just use the one that suits you.
I'm playing with the new SalixOS build of MATÉ 1.2.0 right now and so far it's all good. Some bugs have been reported but they aren't evident on my netbook. If you loved GNOME 2 there is another alternative for you to try if you like. See: http://www.salixos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3371
Again, my compliments to Robert. I thought the story was brilliant.
200 • @199 (by fernbap on 2012-04-05 22:34:09 GMT from Portugal)
Don't get me wrong, caitlyn. Peope are not mad because they released gnome 3, people are mad because, by doing so, they murdered gnome 2.
Mate doesn't cut it, it is just a gnome 2 clone made to work on computers that have gnome 3 installed, and mantained by a single person.
What people want is the capacity of keep using gnome 2 for the foreseable future.
201 • MATÉ does not need GNOME 3 installed and is not a clone (by Caitlyn Martin on 2012-04-05 22:48:59 GMT from United States)
@fernbap: Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with MATÉ 1.2.0 before commenting again. It most certainly is not designed for systems with GNOME 3 installed and it does not require GNOME 3 at all. It is a complete desktop environment. It is also a fork from GNOME 2 which started with the GNOME 2 code, not a clone. Are you certain there is still only one person still involved? I'm not, and more and more distros are picking it up.
202 • @201 (by fernbap on 2012-04-05 23:28:49 GMT from Portugal)
I didn't say that. I said it was mado so that it could work on systems with gnome 3 also installed, because YOU CAN'T INSTALL GNOME 2 on those conditions.
203 • this is for comment 179 for UE3.2 (by lott on 2012-04-06 05:03:14 GMT from Colombia)
If you like to download again, I have both versions UE3.2 32/64 bit this where downloaded from source forge the text file is md5sum it is the same like in source forge.
This is the direct link http://sourceforge.net/projects/ultimateedition/files/
if you need to download them look me up on opera unite at http://lott11.lott1792.operaunite.com/
Just email me, and I will leave on for all time that you need to download the ISO.
I have most ISO from UE 2.0 till UE3.2 the only one missing is UE3.1 hope this helps.
They both worked fine for me on Acer 32bit and Dell 64bit laptops and 1 PC's no problems but I have not gotten 3D effects to work, on a personal note on the PC I will be going back to UE 2.6.5
but that is my personal preference I like the LTS version.
If you need help look at http://ultimateeditionus-texasmike.blogspot.com/ in Texas and https://www.ultimateeditionoz.com/forum/index.php in Australia
Theeman site may be down but not out, at least you can get some help at this forums.
Good luck in any case.
204 • Mint Rankings (by PasingBy on 2012-04-06 13:36:47 GMT from United States)
Yes, I know that DW rankings don't equate to true popularity, nor does it reflect the actual install base. So, please put the flame-throwers away.
I have to say though, Mint surpassing 2k hits over the next distro (in the default 6 month rankings) is one hell of an accomplishment.
One can't ignore the fact that Unity has pissed off a lot of folks. Granted, some of that momentum is from newbies clicking on what they "see" as the #1 distro... which helps perpetuate the climb... but the displeasure with the other distro's direction seems pretty clear, as well.
I'm not trying to debate one distro vs. another... I just think Mint deserves a congrats, even if the rankings aren't all that meaningful.
205 • Concerning the 'GNOME 4' Article (by R. Cole on 2012-04-07 00:36:19 GMT from United States)
"...Advocates for disability rights are particularly enthused by GNOME 4, believing that it could be the first GUI system that puts seeing and totally blind users on an equal footing..."
I am actually a blind Linux user. Now, whether this comment was made in humor or not, it actually was not that funny.
I get the whole humor part of the article, but the developers behind GNOME have brought Linux accessibility a long, long way since I started using it back in 2005.
If you are a windows user and if you are blind, and if you need screen reader software or screen magnification software, you would have to pay upwards of $600 for said software. Some screen readers cost over $1,200...not including updates. Despite the changes in GNOME 3, it is actually becoming very accessible, even to totally blind users.
Just for the record, there are disabled Linux users out there...of which I am one. I am not trying to rant about disability rights...I just want to be able to afford to use my computer system.
Kind regards...Have a nice day.
206 • Re: #204 on Mint Rankings (by mcellius on 2012-04-07 02:53:58 GMT from United States)
Yes, Mint certainly does merit congratulations on its DW numbers. I agree, too, that those numbers aren't "all that meaningful."
People who click on Mint, or Ubuntu or Fedora or Arch or whatever, probably aren't actual users of those distros. If you use Mint, for example, you probably get your Mint news from Mint's site, or help forums, or other sites dedicated to Mint. The same with the other distros. If that's the case, then almost all of DW's numbers reflect interest in the distro by those who are not actual users. In Mint's case, it shows that Mint has successfully generated interest and curiosity - the desire to know more - but DW's numbers really don't show anything more than that.
It must be true that some of those following the Mint link have downloaded it, although there is no way to know how many. Of those who downloaded it, probably most of them installed it and tried it. Again, there is no way to know how many. Of those who tried it, some have almost certainly stayed with it; again, there is no way to know how many.
So DW's numbers really are pretty meaningless - except that they show where there is interest. That's good to know, but it would be foolish to suggest that they mean more than that. (And some commentators were that foolish, it seems; it's too bad they didn't take some courses in college that taught critical thinking.) Of course, these same ideas apply to every distro listed.
207 • blind users (by jack on 2012-04-07 13:03:06 GMT from Canada)
Thanks for the info about the cost of Microsoft apps.
I would definitely like your opinion about the relative performance on Linux apps for blind users (and any and all info on this subject from anybody)
208 • RE: 202 - 205 (by Landor on 2012-04-07 15:16:43 GMT from Canada)
fernbap, do you have any information to actually back up your claim that it's for a GNOME 3 system? I went to their site, then the wiki, and didn't find any build information regarding GNOME 3, in fact all I did see related to GTK2 and such.
Also, if you want to appear credible please stop using all these extremely dramatic terms like the GNOME developers 'murdered' GNOME 2. That's way over the top.
I didn't read past the first sentence or two as I didn't really find it humourous. That said, I find it even less so now that you pointed out that part.
I am not blind either, but I'm 95% deaf in one ear, and 30% in the other. There are a lot of people with disabilities using Linux, Klaus Knopper's wife being one. This type of 'associated humour' should be frowned upon.
Keep your stick on the ice...
209 • Gnome 4 presses all the right buttons (by John Thomas on 2012-04-07 16:41:28 GMT from United Kingdom)
I installed Gnome 4 on the wife's vibrator and she's been in a state of orgasmic bliss ever since.
She now looks on me as a sort of demi-god, rather than the impotent idiot she previously saw.
Thanks Gnome devs, for saving my marriage!
210 • @208 (by fernbap on 2012-04-07 16:48:37 GMT from Portugal)
"back up your claim that it's for a GNOME 3 system?"
Sure. MATE first came out on Mint 12, as an alternative to Gnome 3.
The problem is that the gnome apps and libs for gnome 2 all have the same name that those of gnome 3, which makes it impossible for both to be installed. That's why i say that Gnome 3 murders gnome 2.
So, MATE started as a clone (because i wouln't call it a fork. A fork would be to take gnome 2 and continue developing it, perhaps changing its name.) of gnome 2 and a general rewrite of all the names of the apps and libs so that they wouldn't clash with gnome 3. Nautilus became Caja, etc.
And that is all MATE was when it came up with Mint 12. Btw, i'm using it since Mint 12 RC came out.
So far, MATE doesn't still implement all gnome 2 functionalilties.
My point is: if you don't have gnome 3 installed, what is the point os using MATE? Use the real thing instead, which is Gnome 2.
211 • @205 (by JR on 2012-04-08 05:31:59 GMT from Brazil)
The point of the humorous sentence was that to see is useless because there is nothing to see on the screen of gnome 4. That's what would make us all equal. The whole point was to pretend that gnome 4 was really being done, so the sentence would make sense!
I'm sure it was not with bad intentions ....
212 • Limitations (by zykoda on 2012-04-08 07:18:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
We are all "blind" users, we just "see" different "projections" on the cerebral "screen".
213 • Re: 207, 208 (by R. Cole on 2012-04-08 08:39:01 GMT from United States)
#207 - As far as screen magnification goes under GNOME (the GNOME Shell magnifier), I feel that screen magnification capabilities are great. The same can be said for the work on KWin's Zoom feature. And as far as the Compiz Window Manager is concerned, it's eZoom plugin is also a wonderful piece of software.
As far as screen readers are concerned, there is a lot of work being put into the Orca screen reader by GNOME developers. In the near future, the Orca screen reader will be able to be used with GNOME, KDE, XFCE, and other desktop environments which wish to support accesibility movements. The Knoppix CDs are great, as (to my recollection) they use LXDE as the GUI desktop along with Orca as the screen reader. ADRIANE Knoppix is also a great distribution for blind users.
As far as a strict command-line Linux distro goes, the Speakup screen reader is available. I actually have a copy fo GRML installed onto a partition of a SD card for working on PCs for others. It is very simple to get GRML up and talking. Linux accessibility is not perfect, but it has come a long way.
I apologize. As I read through my comment again, the way in which the comment was written made it seem as though *my comment* was to be humorous, and that was not at all my intention. I was quite tired when I wrote that (bad idea...) as my wife recently gave birth to our second child (via a second C-Section), and so I have been running on very little sleep for the past month or so as I have been helping wherever and however I can. I was not joking or being humorous when I said that I am a blind Linux user. And the quoted text at the beginning of my post was a quote from the article itself; I actually stopped reading the article when I reached that text. If I caused any confusion and came off the wrong way by my comment, I sincerely apologize.
Kind regards and best wishes.
214 • I like VLC too, but... (by Edna Crabapple on 2012-04-08 13:45:34 GMT from United States)
I love VLC. I use it on several *GNOME 2* based Ubuntu and Mint installs.
However, I just put Xubuntu on my netbook. Since GNOME 2 is no more, and GNOME 3 is not my cup of tea, I'm moving to XFCE as a desktop environment.
I went to install VLC in Xubuntu from Synaptic, but when I saw the massive list of dependencies I quit it. I don't know if other media players pull in this amount of dependencies or not, and as much as I like VLC, I think it's not as lightweight as I would like.
I'm going to try Audacious instead... maybe it's better, maybe it's not...
215 • @214 (by Brandon Sniadajewski on 2012-04-08 13:55:41 GMT from United States)
Have you tried unchecking "Treat recommends as dependencies" in Synaptic? Doing so may let you not pull in so many deps when getting VLC (or any other app for that matter)
216 • Gnome 4? or Ratpoison? (by BK on 2012-04-08 14:56:00 GMT from United States)
striking how similar these two desktops look
217 • Actually, no... (by Edna Crabapple on 2012-04-08 15:18:34 GMT from United States)
Re: #215 from Brandon...
Actually, no- I have not tried that, and didn't even realize I could.
I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to Linux... LOL :-)
However, I'm going to try it. Audacious is ok, but I like VLC better and I'm used to it.
Thank you for the suggestion!
218 • @217 (by Brandon Sniadajewski on 2012-04-08 17:30:24 GMT from United States)
No problem. All of the Debian-based PM's (Synaptic, Muon, Aptitude) have the option to treat recommends (even suggests in Muon) as deps. Else you can use the command-line "sudo apt-get install vlc --no-install-recommends" for the same effect.
219 • @214, 217 (by JR on 2012-04-09 04:13:52 GMT from Brazil)
Edna, have you tried mplayer? I use smplayer as frontend and it works like charm, however, not sure about the dependencies, would you select in synaptic just to test? I would appreciate feedback ...
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