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1 • Gaming with CrossOver (by Himari on 2012-03-26 09:55:01 GMT from Vietnam)
Has anyone succeeded in playing game over the net (i.e WarCraft/DotA over Garena) with CrossOver or any simulator? I've tried to play with Wine before, but it was a pain as color and speed were awful, and the game was way too lagging to play
2 • CrossOver (by Barnabyh on 2012-03-26 10:53:16 GMT from United Kingdom)
Interesting article. I'm still waiting to be able to play Thief 1 & 2, now more than 10 years old, on a Linux box. All because of that darned DirectX. Will see if CrossOver has solved this problem. I finally gave up on Thief in WINE, but FalloutNV ran ok in it.
3 • crossover (by over on 2012-03-26 11:23:33 GMT from Slovenia)
@1 - i played Diablo2 over wine and internet+lan. worked just fine. internet speed depends on your internet connection
@2 thief has Gold rating in Ubuntu 10.10, while Thief2 has platinum rating on wine site. are you sure you installe dit correctly?
4 • crossover (by Brandon Sniadajewski on 2012-03-26 11:49:45 GMT from United States)
Another piece of software people use would be something like tax software (TaxCut e.g.).
I'm not sure about compatibility (need to check the site) but crossover would be useful for those that use such software titles that are Windows (and/or Mac) only.
5 • @1 (by Ambleston Dack on 2012-03-26 11:54:32 GMT from United Kingdom)
Currently playing WoW 4.3 using the latest unstable version of Wine on Ubuntu 11.10 with no issues what so ever.
6 • Crossover for Windows (by DavidEF on 2012-03-26 12:10:31 GMT from United States)
@Jesse
"In fact I found myself wishing CrossOver had a Windows edition for those odd times I have to work on Windows machines as it makes software management so much easier."
+1 for a Crossover for Windows! Not only package management, but compatibility for older programs that MS left behind (understandably, of course) as well as the ability to run multiple versions of a program, would make it a very useful project.
So, who's gonna port Crossover to Windows? Anyone interested?
7 • Please don't reply to this message... (by DavidEF on 2012-03-26 12:20:56 GMT from United States)
Just had to LOL at the distributions added to waiting list this week. All three are new Ubuntu derivitives! And the one just added to the database (Tango Studio) is too! I'm not complaining. I'll probably try Tango Studio. I need a new Studio distro. Well, "need" is a strong word.
8 • Crossover (by Robert W. Hayden on 2012-03-26 12:35:04 GMT from United States)
I switched from Windows with a little Linux to Linux with a little Windows last fall after multiple virus attacks. For most applications I was able to find something usable, as good, or better, than what I had been using, but it took a lot of work. It would have helped if more Linux apps had names that tell you what they do instead of cutesy ones that give the impression it is more toy than workhorse. There are three main categoreis of things missing. First, specialist software. I teach statistics and while there are multiple menu-driven stats. packages for Windows, and fewer for Mac, there is nothing comparable for Linux. Then there are all the custom apps and Excel add-ins for things like managing medical records or inventorying steel pipe. Finally, getting hardware to work with Linux is still a challenge. Even the printers I can get installed are missing many of the features they have under Windows. So I still use Windows for photography, and CrossOver for stats. packages and multiple Excel add-ins. Windows machines are no longer allowed on the Internet which seems to be an effective anti-virus strategy.
9 • There are many GUIs for GPG! (by Anonymous cryptographer on 2012-03-26 14:11:24 GMT from Israel)
KGpg is for the KDE desktop environment, and there are other GUIs as well. For example, Seahorse is the GPG GUI for Gnome.
For more GPG GUIs see:
http://www.gnupg.org/related_software/frontends.html#gui
10 • Crossover, gpg questions (by octathlon on 2012-03-26 14:11:30 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the interesting articles on Crossover and gpg.
Crossover: (1) What about installing Windows applications that *aren't* in Crossover's package manager? Did you try that process?
(2) Another concern would be registering MS Office. Are there any issues with that, and what happens if you re-install or change "bottle" settings? Does the registration remain intact?
gpg: (1) Is it possible to keep your gpg key on a USB stick and not on your computer's hard drive, for extra security? -- since it has to be imported into gpg, maybe by running gpg directly from the USB instead?
(2) What is your opinion of the Thunderbird plugin and if that is a good/convenient method for private emailing?
11 • Crossover is a Great Piece of Software (by Jeff Hoogland on 2012-03-26 14:23:56 GMT from United States)
It is great to see a Crossover review here - it really is a great piece of software. I've been using it for over three years now to power the few Windows games I play under Linux (Namely Starcraft 2 these days, but Diablo 3 will be releasing soon...)
Most important to remember that when purchasing Crossover you are supporting the Wine project as well - they are one of the largest contributors to Wine.
~Jeff
12 • educational Linux (by Nate on 2012-03-26 14:28:08 GMT from United States)
I'm surprised Linux hasn't become more popular in the educational sector "here in Florida." Our schools are always looking for ways to save money, and while some of the Enterprise versions are just as overpriced as Windows server, the general use versions, such as Mint are free. I'm wondering if they have considered switching.
13 • Little Typo and comment (by Marco on 2012-03-26 14:42:17 GMT from United States)
Among the many free clones or^Hf Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
I know I was personally interested in the Kubuntu news a few weeks ago, but is the item related to Charlie Kravetz another shoe dropping, or is it completely unrelated?
14 • CrossOver and GPG (by Jesse on 2012-03-26 15:30:47 GMT from Canada)
@10:
>> " (1) What about installing Windows applications that *aren't* in Crossover's package manager?"
I tried this and it worked fine. Of course software not in the package manager isn't supported. You're on your own if it doesn't work. However, I had no problems installing unsupported items. There's a button for installing "other" software.
>> "(2) Another concern would be registering MS Office. Are there any issues with that, and what happens if you re-install or change "bottle" settings? Does the registration remain intact?"
Registering worked fine. I imagine if you messed around with the settings too much you might break something, but I don't see why you'd have a reason to do that after registering.
>> " (1) Is it possible to keep your gpg key on a USB stick and not on your computer's hard drive, for extra security?"
You can keep your key on a USB stick, but since you have to plug in your USB stick to access the key it's sort of a moot point, isn't it? You could run a Linux install from a USB stick that has GPG installed on it and just boot from the stick to manage your keys.
>> "(2) What is your opinion of the Thunderbird plugin and if that is a good/convenient method for private emailing?"
If you mean Enigmail, I think it's a great plugin and use it myself. http://enigmail.mozdev.org/home/index.php.html
15 • Re Crossover, but could pertain to WINE and/or PlayonLinux (by UUUnicorn on 2012-03-26 17:03:39 GMT from United States)
One Windows app that I'd very much like to be able to run on Linux (specifically, Linux Mint Lxde) is Skype for Windows.
It appears that the 2.2 Beta for Linux is being allowed to languish and fall by the wayside.
16 • Crossover (by Sly on 2012-03-26 17:26:11 GMT from United States)
Jessie, did you install any print drivers with Crossover? Getting epson printer drivers has been a problem for me in the past, especially for newer epson printers.
17 • Another Crossover Question (by Sly on 2012-03-26 17:30:18 GMT from United States)
Jessie, did Crossover slow down your machine's performance similar to what I've experienced using a virtual environment in Linux?
18 • Wine or not wine... (by TanKe on 2012-03-26 17:42:44 GMT from Mexico)
Well, i have been testing WINE for a long time and 4 of 5 softwares always fail. Still don't know the purpose of this software... charging for it with the CrossOver app?
19 • RE: 14 (by octathlon on 2012-03-26 17:51:14 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the answers, Jesse. The idea behind the gpg (2) question was if someone else got physical access to your computer, you wouldn't want them to have access to your private key. Also plausible deniability if ordered to decrypt - you don't have the key.
20 • CrossOver (by Jesse on 2012-03-26 18:42:23 GMT from Canada)
>> "Jessie, did you install any print drivers with Crossover?"
No, that's not really what CrossOver and Wine are for. They provide a compatibility layer for Windows applications. Kernel level stuff like drivers are a different issue.
>> "Jessie, did Crossover slow down your machine's performance similar to what I've experienced using a virtual environment in Linux?"
CrossOver tended not to impact performance. Except when running the package installer and running Internet Explorer. Those two activities slowed things down a little, but running most Windows apps with CrossOver did not have a performance penalty.
21 • Legacy and Old computers (by chris on 2012-03-26 18:45:06 GMT from Australia)
I look forward to trying Legacy, and its so encouraging to see distributions caring about older hardware. Mageia 1 is excellent on a 286 pentium.
22 • @3 by over (by Barnabyh on 2012-03-26 19:18:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
Wow, I haven't tried it in a while, and certainly not on Ubuntu. Those were pre-0.97 days. But it's also possible I did miss a tweak or two or did not install it correctly if there's anything else involved apart from installing (launching the installer.exe) it.
23 • Re: Gaming with CrossOver (by Chuck on 2012-03-26 19:54:56 GMT from United States)
@1 I've been running WoW, Guild Wars and Rift through CrossOver for a number of years now. I started playing WoW on Linux with CrossOver since sometime around 2006 and it works near-flawlessly (granted I use the binary Nvidia driver and my hardware isn't too exotic or high-end).
24 • Follow the $ (by Reticent on 2012-03-26 20:42:41 GMT from United States)
Comment deleted (off-topic).
25 • Upcoming Releases eMail notice? (by James Q on 2012-03-26 21:51:56 GMT from United States)
Is there any way to get automagical emails for upcoming releases? Just wondering....
Thanks,
QBall
26 • Mageia 2 (by Andrew on 2012-03-26 21:56:56 GMT from Australia)
Can't wait for Mageia 2 to be released. I was a big fan of the first release, even though it had some bugs and my sound fell apart after 2 weeks of use for no particular reason that I could find. But it was a wonderful distro to run, the Mageia/Mandriva Control Center was a real pleasure and the distro as a whole was quite quick too.
27 • CrossOver (by James Q on 2012-03-26 22:14:21 GMT from United States)
VMware has virtual machine players (Player [free to d/l & use for non-commercial use] & Workstation (with a 30-day(?) trial), & Server will work on Windows & Linux; whereas Mac, & ...(?) also are supported with a different virtual player/server). You can virtualize nearly any OS as long as you have enough disk space and memory. The virtual machines also virtualize some hardware (hard drives, CD/DVD players (& burners?), (LAN) network (virtualize a LAN connection for several virtual OS's), etc. To use a Windows virtual machine on either Linux or Mac, you will *have* to make or get a Windows ISO, though. You can get connected to the host through the virtual machine as well ("upload" & "download" files to host [& from? I haven't tried that yet]). To get more info, go to: http://www.vmware.com/
28 • OmniBoot (by greg on 2012-03-26 22:40:47 GMT from United States)
Thanks to DW,for the heads-up on OmniBoot. Thanks to the creators of this dvd, also. I have never seen anything like this before.
29 • Crossover (by RevLouM on 2012-03-26 22:44:55 GMT from United States)
I think that maybe a F.O.S.S. MARKETING program would be a good idea for the nice folks at Crossover.
While I'm SURE that it's "all that and a bag of chips", especially because it it "polished", how much cred with C.I.O. types are you going to get to justify PAYING MONEY when your "Top 25" is largely GAMES? WINE is free. Games, while amusing, aren't what C.I.O. types are "looking for" when paying for software, and if they ARE, there are probably a few other C.*. O. types looking for a good reason to sack them.
30 • Crossover and Tax software (by wolf on 2012-03-26 23:18:28 GMT from United States)
This year I purchased Turbo Tax. I DO NOT USE WINDOWS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! So I ran it in Crossover instead. It ran P-E-R-F-E-C-T-L-Y!!!! I had absolutely no problem with it. Ironically enough the codeweavers site lists it as untested.
31 • 'Crossover' Bottles (by Skurge on 2012-03-26 23:44:38 GMT from United States)
Wine bottles can be configured in command line.
There is also a free Bottle Manager GUI that does the same thing at http://wibom.sourceforge.net/
Crossover is shiny, yes, but why pay that much for basically a GUI for WINE?
32 • Bottle (by Jesse on 2012-03-26 23:51:13 GMT from Canada)
@31:
>> "Crossover is shiny, yes, but why pay that much for basically a GUI for WINE?"
You just answered your own question. Because it's a GUI for Wine. CrossOver makes Wine easy to use for the masses, not just computer geeks who know how to use the command line. Plus, as I pointed out in the review, CrossOver offers to support their product. If something doesn't work, they'll fix it. With Wine you take what you get.
33 • Oracle Linux (by Sam on 2012-03-27 00:53:44 GMT from United States)
"paying customers get several extra services, such as indemnification against intellectual property claims"
Well shoot, that helps me decide on which Linux Distro to use! Obviously the one that says by using THEIR distro, they won't sue me! Yay!
34 • playonlinux anyone? (by default on 2012-03-27 01:08:42 GMT from Australia)
playonlinux does the same thing as crossover and give you the nice gui without the price tag?? why is noone using it it works fine for me (have used one several debian and ubuntu distros)
35 • Oracle Linux (by dude on 2012-03-27 01:22:27 GMT from Thailand)
I'm looking for a new Linux distro for my laptop. I'm going go give Oracle Linux a try, out of spite for Microsoft. I'll probably keep Oracle Linux if I can get Skype and Flash Player to work.
36 • Mageia et al (by claudecat on 2012-03-27 03:37:08 GMT from United States)
I liked Mageia 1 and will certainly try 2 when it arrives, but why is it that every Mandriva based distro (all 3? of them) needs to have its initrd rebuilt every week or so to avoid the minute delay at boot? Sorry, off topic I know.
Liked the review of Crossover (like all of Jesse's reviews), and I may finally delve into wine use by way of it soon. Keep up the great work DW... the comments of late have been a bit sparse, but I always look forward to Monday mornings and a fresh DWW!
37 • Re: Crossover (by Anonymous on 2012-03-27 06:53:46 GMT from United States)
This reads as a nice advertisement for Crossover, but you neglected the effects updates of wine tend to have on individual applications. What works in one version will break in the next version and you have to hope someone fixes it for the next update.
If you want to use Windows software, you'll have less frustration using Windows.
38 • Wine/CrossOver vs. Virtual Machine (by Koroshiya Itchy on 2012-03-27 08:34:46 GMT from Belgium)
In my humble option, people using a lot of Windows applications, are better off with a Virtual Machine. You can run Windows XP with as little as 256 MB of RAM and, in my experience, 512 MB are enough for multitasking. Also in my experience, virtualised XP can be much more responsive than native XP. I use virtualised XP only for the car navigation management software and a couple of very specific applications that I need in order to ensure perfect compatibility in collaborative projects. I tried Wine for a long while but found it a bit troublesome. For instance, updating Wine may result in your MS licenses not being accepted any more. I guess that a more controlled environment such as CrossOver may solve or at least palliate this kind of problems, but I have not tried it.
39 • Various topics (by DavidEF on 2012-03-27 12:16:19 GMT from United States)
@30 I'm glad TurboTax software worked for you. But, why did you buy it if you never use Windows? How did you know it would work, if it is listed as untested? I love TurboTax, but I use the online version, so I don't have to guess if it will work or not.
@38 What version of Windows XP are you using? I find that SP3 requires 512 MB to be barely functional and 1GB to do any useful work. I agree that earlier versions were better. The original release of XP could run with 128MB. My, how the times have changed!
40 • @18, Support is worth it. (by Eddie on 2012-03-27 13:16:56 GMT from United States)
@18, see Jessie's answer @32. I've had very good luck with WINE but then again I've been using it for years and know several little tricks to getting programs to run. With Crossover you get the support a lot of people need to be successful running Windows programs under Linux. If the program is listed in the supported applications database then it will work. If it doesn't they will help you. If a person has supported Windows programs they have to run under Linux, (sometimes you don't have a choice), then Crossover is well worth the money. Other then that duel booting with MS Windows is really about the only available option to ensure you programs will work properly. A VM environment will work part of the time but you will always take a performance hit and there are several programs that will not work under Windows in a virtual machine. This has been my experience for years and others experiences may be different so this really isn't up for debate. If possible, and you run Linux then it's best to use a native application.
41 • virtualise XP (by xp on 2012-03-27 13:22:02 GMT from Slovenia)
@39 got an old laptop windowsXP certified (and also came with XP preloaded) with 256 MB ram of which 32 is taken by GPU (so you end up with 224MB). to add insult to injury it can only be upgraded to max 384MB ( ieman if only they made it 512Mb or 1GB. Imagine that maschine with XP SP3! 10 minutes+ ony to boot.
anyway Debian Stable XFCE (or rather Chrunchbang) to the rescue. about 30-40 secs to boot, everything working out of the box. turns out to be a really nice netbook kind of laptop. now if only i could get a good battery to go with it. current one made it close to 2h on Ubuntu 10.04. But then suddenly died after 2 years of service (not sure if i shoudlinvest in a new one since it was/is so rarely used..
42 • Reply to DavidEF (@39) (by Koroshiya Itchy on 2012-03-27 14:13:08 GMT from Belgium)
I am using Windows XP Professional SP3 32-bit (this used to be my university laptop) within VirtualBox in Debian 6 64-bit. The system runs very comfortably with 512 MB of RAM. It is true, though, that I gave it 128 MB of VRAM and enabled 2D and 3D acceleration. It is set to the "classic" look (as opposed to the XP look) and it is tuned for performance (all the desktop effects are off except for anti-aliasing). Besides, I deactivated all the unused services (I googled to find out which are the bare essentials) and deactivated internet connection, audio, etc. Windows XP SP3 Home native with no tuning did barely run in my wife's laptop with 768 MB of RAM (she's also running Debian in dual boot). Performance-tuning improves things significantly but the virtualised version is still much better.
43 • Crossover -- Quickbooks (by dojero on 2012-03-27 16:44:02 GMT from Italy)
I think that until such time as Crossover can run Quickbooks, it will be lacking. The idea that many in the Linux world seem to have is that games are the primary problem with Linux: you can't run Windows-based games. But in terms of productivity, the biggest shortcoming of Crossover is Quickbooks, which is easily the most used small business accounting system in the world. And it simply doesn't work on Crossover (i.e. Wine). Crossover also has problems with Garmin GPS programs, Sony ereader program, etc.
In other words, Crossover can't hope to compete with virtual machines in terms of running Windows programs. For a light and limited Windows portfolio, Crossover undoubtedly does the trick. But then, too, so does Wine alone. I really don't see the need for Crossover.
44 • Quickbooks (by Jesse on 2012-03-27 17:07:37 GMT from Canada)
>> " But in terms of productivity, the biggest shortcoming of Crossover is Quickbooks, which is easily the most used small business accounting system in the world. And it simply doesn't work on Crossover"
Both Quickbooks and Quickbooks Pro are officially supported applications under CrossOver.
45 • Crossover -- worthwhile test? (by Rich on 2012-03-27 18:25:02 GMT from United States)
Is it really a worthwhile test of Crossover if the tester had trouble thinking of things to do with it? It's a start at least, but I can't help thinking a Windows person should have been sat in front of the test machine and told "get on with it".
46 • Crossover (by bob on 2012-03-27 21:32:24 GMT from United States)
I'm gonna agree with comment 34 I'd rather use playonlinux than crossover, I love the free stuff.
http://www.playonlinux.com/en/
47 • Crossover vs. PlayOnLinux vs. vanilla Wine and things (by davemc on 2012-03-28 01:03:48 GMT from United States)
mmmmk...
The one thing in common here is they all use Wine to do what they do. Crossover is really nothing more than an attempt at providing a user friendly front end to Wine. You can do everything you can do with Crossover in plain ol Wine at the command line and much, much more. So why pay $50 or $60 (the Crossover website says its $60) for a sub when you can do it all for free in plain Wine or, better yet, on PlayOnLinux, which also does all the same exact things that Crossover does in an even more user friendly way?..
I don't know either.
/boggle
48 • RE: ORACLE - Ladislav/Debian-Edu Article -33 - 46 (by Landor on 2012-03-28 01:45:26 GMT from Canada)
ORACLE:
I'd like to point out that I made comments in regard to ORACLE and their dealings with this community that are now holding true. After acquiring Sun they were left with a massive portfolio that they probably had zero interest in, some of which was the open source community. So the community started demanding that this multi-billion dollar company do this or else. ORACLE replied without replying, basically tell them to kiss their ___. ORACLE is now showing that what they do have interest, the are willing to make concessions on there own and advance those products towards a more open nature.
Ladislav/Debin-Edu:
I have no idea why this was even an article for this week's latest news. Simply because the guy was a teacher? He said himself that he had no idea what strategy to use to get the schools to use Linux, etc. Which tells me he hasn't tried it, or he'd have strategies. I just see this as newsworthy, at all. Also, I'm pretty sure the lion's share of the Raspberry Pi units sold were by nerds/geeks. Anyone who doesn't realise that has absolutely no clue what they're talking about, but this guy states that it's encouraging, meaning in an sense for being bought by educational institutions, given the topic. I'm shocked Ladislav, you usually do better.
#33
You are aware that Microsoft owns Skype, right? But you're switching to ORACLE to spite them, but installing Skype.
#46
That's the sad part of what this community is really beginning to come, 'free stuff' .
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
49 • WINE and crossover (by computergeek7 on 2012-03-28 03:35:44 GMT from Mexico)
Similar to the experience of #37, I've found that each new version of WINE is less and less capable, due to various kludges and patches and "updates."
Windows programs that ran flawlessly in previous versions of WINE don't run at all or have fatal errors during install in future versions.
Babaschess will still run ok with WINE version 1.3.32, however that's the only chess program that will. Everything else is broken.
Microsoft Office is broken, although I am still able to use WORD and print from WORD too (but I didn't need to install a printer driver, WINE talks directly to my Squeeze printer).
Radiosure is broken.
Bookworm is broken.
Blitzen and Dasher (ICC chess clients) broken.
Chessmaster broken.
Even more annoying - WINE's forums and bug reporting system is also broken. So you can't even report these bugs or hope to find a workaround. At least some programs and operating systems let you "think" you are reporting a bug as some sort of placebo. WINE doesn't show even that courtesy to users.
50 • Freebies (by SomeOldGuy on 2012-03-28 03:38:37 GMT from United States)
#48 - You don't have much history with the Linux world if you think this community is just now starting to embrace the notion of "free stuff". Its been an entrenched part of it from the very beginning as I well recall. Try not to fall off that high horse though. Seems like it might be a long fall for you.
Oracle. I too think that they are doing what Corporations do and always have. Worry about their own self interest. Just like Google. At least they don't try to hide their intentions behind a veil of "Open Source" like Google does with Chrome.
51 • @47 (by greg on 2012-03-28 07:49:53 GMT from Slovenia)
One would pay for the same reason one would pay to Red Hat to install & maintain their whole system.
If you do not know the commands and do not have extra time studying them it is cheper to purchase Crossover that has all the things already preset.
For those with time on their hands and enthusiasm of learning about API layer there is WINE. For those that just need to install some windows applicaitons and then get the job done on those applications (yet are nto interested what make the applications work) you have crossover.
52 • Free Stuff (by DavidEF on 2012-03-28 12:13:41 GMT from United States)
@50
"You don't have much history with the Linux world ..."
Linux and other Open Source software has been "free stuff" from the very beginning. But, that isn't what Landor is saying. Lately, we have been digressing to the point that "free stuff" is all people seem to care about. When I first started using Linux, it wasn't about "free stuff" at all to me. It was about a better quality product, that I could do what I wanted with. It still is that for some of us, but we are becoming the minority, it seems. In some countries, Windows is just as much "free stuff" as linux is, because they freely pirate as much as they like. I don't want a "free" Windows. I want what linux gives me, true freedom.
53 • @47, Not made for you Dave. (by Eddie on 2012-03-28 16:10:46 GMT from United States)
Come on Dave. You know that there is no support with WINE and very little with PlayOnLinux. Good support is what people pay for. YOU may not need support, be a whiz at the command line, know all the tricks, or even resent someone making money in the open source world, but give me a break. To say that vanilla WINE, or even PlayOnLinux can be better, and CrossOver Linux is not worth paying for, is very very wrong. Maybe CrossOver Linux is for people who are not at your skill level and for people who want some support, and for people who don't have the time to worry about learning the command line. Unless you have bought CrossOver Linux, because you needed it, then how can you say it's not worth the price. I do not own a copy of CrossOver Linux because as I stated before I've worked with WINE long enough that I know some tricks to get things to work if I need to, but I'm not so ignorant to think that the average new ones, especially the new ones just trying to adopt Linux, can do so without some GOOD support. CrossOver Linux can give them this and this alone is worth the money.
@52, Well said.
54 • CrossOver XI (by James knot on 2012-03-28 16:19:52 GMT from India)
its gr8 to see CrossOver can run office2010, I installed office 2007 on linux mint using wine 1.3 , my personal opinion is if we remove office 2010 interface then libra office is a clear winner.
55 • #53 (by davemc on 2012-03-28 22:24:53 GMT from United States)
You miss the point I think. Its not that CrossOver is not a good place to put your money IF your aim is to support the project. In fact, it is. If you buy it thinking it will be some magic bullet that will magically play all your DIrectX games ootb or if not have some form of super support, well then, I think you will be disappointed. CrossOver prioritizes their support based upon which games or apps get the most votes. Jesse did not mention that tidbit in his review. If the app or game you most desire to see supported is not high on that list, well then, good luck. You will pretty much be just as well off running PlayOnLinux or using a Wine guide and the wine support pages (eg. forums). Case in point - Skyrim. Runs every bit as well or better via plain jane Wine as on CrossOver.
So yea, support it if you feel its a great project and a good cause by all means. Quite a lot, if not all of the patches that the Crossover team does for their stuff gets into Wine itself.
56 • Crossover (by Nicola on 2012-03-29 12:27:57 GMT from Austria)
I bought 3 versions of Crossover over the years, and in my case I think the money was well spent. I'm not a geek and so am grateful to Crossover for its simplicity and "just-works-factor".
Several Windows-Programs I couldn't yet adequately replace on Linux run well on it - most of them unsupported ones, to my surprise.
So I think it's well worth a try, if you can't or just don't wan't to struggle with the details of wine.
57 • Webconverger (by Pearson on 2012-03-29 13:06:28 GMT from United States)
Glad to see a new version of Webconverger. I tried one a few weeks ago in VirtualBox (Windows host) and never could get a display bigger than 800x600.
Thinking of using WebConverger in a VM as a "general web surfing" environment., Basically, a VM with nothing but a capable web browser.
58 • Confused about Crossover vs WINE vs PlayOnLinux (by Pearson on 2012-03-29 14:07:05 GMT from United States)
So now I'm confused, I hear people say that Office doesn't work in Wine, yet Wine is officially supported in Crossover. And Crossover is "only a GUI front end to Wine". Doesn't that mean that Office should work in Wine -- possibly with some interesting Wine settings? Or, does Crossover "tweak" the actual Wine underpinnings a bit? Perhaps the Crossover package downloads have some wrappers/patches?
59 • @58 (by Nicola on 2012-03-29 14:39:32 GMT from Austria)
Crossover IS wine - wine made easy.
AFAIK you shold get the same results in wine - with varying amounts of tweaking.
60 • @58,59 (by Nicola on 2012-03-29 15:08:49 GMT from Austria)
"AFAIK you should get the same results in wine - with varying amounts of tweaking"
- which, in case you get Crossover, the people there have already done for you.
Plus some other conveniences, e. g. when installing supported applications.
I'm really happy with Crossover - the first version I bought (way back, must have been v. 1 or 2) didn't work at all for me, but starting from v. 4.2 it was an "everything-working-out-of-the-box"-experience that I wasn't used to at all on Linux, and certainly did not expect.
Even with unsupported apps: the ones I use worked right from the start or needed only very little "tweaking" even a non-geek like me could do. Wine Compatibility Database is a great help there.
61 • Ubuntu 12.04 and Mint (by Shane on 2012-03-29 15:50:38 GMT from United States)
Why is no one talking about 12.04 easily using classic desktop as shown on OMG Ubuntu? I tried Mint becuase of Unity but after the first hour gave it up, I don't think Mate works, if I wanted that look I would use KDE.
62 • Ubuntu 12.04 Classic Desktop (by DavidEF on 2012-03-29 19:33:56 GMT from United States)
@61 Shane,
The article on OMG Ubuntu tells you how to easily install gnome-panel, which allows you to use Gnome Classic. I don't know what the difference is in terms of ease of install or ease of use compared to former versions of Ubuntu. I've had Gnome Classic for my wife to use at home in 11.10 for a while. I use Unity on the same machine, and on my laptop.
If it's easier to install, that will be cool for people who want to do that. But, it won't make a lot of people happy until it is available as a choice at the time of system install, which it currently isn't AFAIK. Maybe that's why people aren't talking about it much. Most of the users who would really care won't feel like it has gone far enough yet, because it still has to be installed after-the-fact. Also, a lot of them have already made their choice of replacement for Unity, or moved away from Ubuntu altogether.
63 • Wine "tweaks" and stuff (by DavidEF on 2012-03-29 19:52:58 GMT from United States)
I've used Wine for lots of things through the years I've been in Linux. I have often been surprised to learn about things I didn't know Wine could do, because it wasn't presented in a GUI. PlayOnLinux is okay, but far from complete for what is actually possible. And, PlayOnLinux is still a little confusing for me at times. I've never used Crossover, but if they only do as much as make a complete and easy-to-use GUI for Wine, it would be well worth the money, if you really need to get an app working and simply don't know how to do it in Wine yourself. Add the fact that they give real support for "supported" apps, and you've got an even sweeter deal.
The only reason I never went that route is that I made a choice to learn to use only Linux apps even if they had a steeper learning curve. For some people, that isn't possible, because they need an application that doesn't have a quality Linux replacement. I had that problem for a few years myself. One application I depended on wasn't replaceable. Now, I've figured out how to use multiple apps together to do what that one would do. Not a solution for some, but it fit my personal agenda.
64 • 61 & 62 (by mcellius on 2012-03-29 20:56:13 GMT from United States)
I just installed the 12.04 beta 2, and I went and looked at the OMG Ubuntu article to see how to install Gnome Classic. It said to go to the Software Center, find "Gnome Panel," and click "Install." Easy enough! But when I went there it had already been installed by default! Cool!
So I logged out of Unity, chose Gnome Classic from menu, and logged back in. And now I am running Gnome Classic. So evidently it is one of the default options in Ubuntu 12.04 and doesn't require any special installation at all.
I'll probably logout and log back into Unity - which I like - but it's nice to know the option is there by default - at least in beta 2 - for those who want it.
65 • Kubuntu Precise Pangolin 12.04 (by Paul L on 2012-03-30 05:28:00 GMT from United States)
I will not label myself a Kubuntu fanboy, but It has been since 2007, and remains so today, my Linux Distribution of choice. If I were Vulcan, and like Mr. Spock, when looking at the hit count on DistroWatch's main page for Kubuntu, I raise an eyebrow at the low numbers.
Why is Kubuntu, here at Distrowatch, ranked so low? I find it to be a robust, highly configurable, and extremely stable KDE distribution. I've been running Kubuntu Precise Pangolin 12.04, 64-bit, right after downloading and installing the beta (?) release on March 03, 2012. It was my intent to just test it; to play around with it a bit; while still using my Kubuntu 11.10 as the main OS. That intent lasted maybe two days. 12.04 is so stable, so trouble free (for me) that I have been using it as my main OS, keeping it dist-upgraded on a daily basis.
66 • Xubuntu 12.04 & PAE/non-PAE kernels (by Alessandro di Roma on 2012-03-30 08:54:05 GMT from Italy)
After the Gnome3/Unity revolution I'm a Xubuntu 11.10 user, in my opinion XFCE is the best clone of Gnome2. I tried Xubuntu 12.04 beta 1 but on my PC (an Acer TravelMate 4020 laptop with Intel Centrino CPU and 2GB of RAM) the boot failed with message "This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: PAE. Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU." If I'm not wrong PAE (Physical Address Extension) is totally useless on a machine with no more than 4 GB of RAM. I planned a switch to Linux Mint Debian Edition with XFCE, which is no bad at all, and offers a default linux-image-3.0.0-1-486 non-PAE kernel with optional upgrade to linux-image-3.0.0-1-686-pae kernel. Now I'm happy to see that in Xubuntu 12.04 beta 2 "The i386 images use a non-PAE kernel to support a bigger variety of machines". Xubuntu is wonderful because its lightness, so I think a Xubuntu pretending an upgrade of my HW should be a total nonsense. Besides my laptop, Canonical must remember that in the today's world there is still plenty of PCs and servers with non-PAE CPUs.
67 • Ubuntu 12.04 Classic Desktop (by DavidEF on 2012-03-30 12:10:18 GMT from United States)
@64 mcellius,
Cool! Now THAT is something worth talking about! I haven't tried beta2 yet. In fact, shame on me, I've not even tried beta1 yet. I'm way behind on my distro testing lately. It certainly can't get any easier than already being installed and ready to roll. Of course some would disagree, saying it should be THE default, but I happen to like Unity. However, maybe now some of the borderline Ubuntu lovers/Unity haters will have a reason to try it again. Maybe we can even put an end to the constant rantings that "Canonical has turned its back on its users."
68 • Photoshop CS5 (by Kevin J. Wangler on 2012-03-30 14:40:58 GMT from United States)
Wish Photoshop CS5 (or CS4, at least) would work. CS5 is "bronze" and CS4 is "gold", but neither are officially supported. Maybe someday! But there must be something "special" about them that makes them hard to run.
/Kevin
69 • RE: Kubuntu Precise Pangolin (by mcellius on 2012-03-30 18:38:05 GMT from United States)
Paul, I don't know why Kubuntu is ranked low on Distrowatch, but remember that those numbers only reflect the numbers of hits on DW's pages for various versions of Linux. They don't reflect the numbers of users, or numbers of downloads, or much of anything else. They mean very little, for lots of reasons.
Think about it. If you use Kubuntu, how many times do you check out DW's Kubuntu page? Not often, I'd bet, because it wouldn't give you any information that would be useful to you. Instead, you get news about Kubuntu from lots of other sites and probably only check out DW to find out information about new releases of other versions of Linux. It's useful for that, and that's why I use DW, too. I check it every day, but my hits on DW's pages are most likely to be learn a bit about new or unfamiliar distros.
So if half the world is using Kubuntu and if they're very happy with it, they're not likely to hit the DW's Kubuntu page. Unfortunately, some ignorant writers, commentators, advocates, etc., draw completely unwarrranted conclusions from DW's numbers. Don't let it bug you.
70 • Re: Xubuntu 12.04 & PAE/non-PAE kernels (by KansasNoob on 2012-03-30 18:45:07 GMT from United States)
Both Xubuntu and Lubuntu have now reverted to the non-PAE kernel. Ubuntu and Kubuntu will remain PAE only but there is a non-PAE netboot mini.iso that'll allow installation of a 12.04 system with any desired DE.
That said 12.04 is the end of the road for non-PAE in Ubuntu and all official derivatives. But AFAIK all 12.04 derivatives but Lubuntu will be 5 year LTS releases, so hopefully another 5 years of support will be sufficient.
I'll try to get an Ubuntu forum thread up in the next few weeks regarding all non-PAE options in 12.04, just too much on my plate ATM ;^)
71 • do not feel offended (by Stuffy on 2012-03-31 15:40:34 GMT from United States)
"Let me say this and, please, computer experts, do not feel offended. I simply do not care if KDE is a resource hog or not. I mean, KDE runs perfectly on my 2 GB RAM, 500 GB HD"
Well, I'm an engineer, and I'm hardly offended. Most engineers with any objectivity, and who don't rely on software for their sense of identity, will tell you to use the OS, language, or GUI that works for you and gets the job done.
The sad part is that some people feel the need to apologize in advance for what is simply a rational decision.
72 • Precise Beta with PAE (by imnotrich on 2012-03-31 17:44:17 GMT from Mexico)
So I decided to test 12.04 beta with my recent vintage laptop the other day, and I know it's a beta so I'll be kind but my first impression was not bad, still needs lots of work.
Booting the live cd for the first time to a blank screen. OK, that's not fixed yet. Quickly resolved with acpi=off and nomodeset. I boot into (blech) Unity.
Now, I'm one of those who believe that Gnome classic should still be the default, but it was simply a matter of several clicks in the Ubuntu software center and I've got Gnome so no big deal. Yippee! Now I can get some work done. Great work, developers!
Annoyingly, many of the other packages in the Ubuntu Software Center refuse to install. For example Ubuntu restricted extras. I get an error message about an install failure for Java. An automatic bug-report window pops up and I click on report. Then I get another error message that says sorry, you can't report this because it's not an official package. Bogus.
Had to install Java manually, after which the femainder of the restricted extras installed flawlessly.
But other packages in the USC fail as well and Canonical declines to accept the automatic bug-report. I wonder, why is it in the software center if it won't even install? Somebody in the testing department is asleep at the switch. Hopefully this will be resolved before the final release, but I don't know. Seems kinda late in the game.
Supertux (one of my favorites) installs ok, but when you run Supertux the programs changes your screen resolution then forgets to change it back when you exit the game. Bug! Now I have to reboot, because you can't get to the accept or change settings button because of the screen resolution being too big.
Networking and connecting a shared printer on my Debian box was as simple as a couple of mouse clicks. Well done!
Another bug, and the reason I gave up (for now) on 12.04 was poor wireless networking support. My Realtek 8185 has been supported by previous Ubuntu versions, but not 12.04. I shouldnt have to try ndiswrapper, this card should be supported natively. But I tried nsidwrapper anyway and was told the Windows Vista/7 driver is invalid. Bug!
Couple other observations, things done right - This version of Grub2 not only finds Windows 7 but adds 7 to the list of bootable choices and also remembers the bootline edit I did in order to boot into Ubuntu so I only had to type that in once. Well done. Earlier versions of Grub2 weren't adept at doing so.
But overall 12.04 was a disappointment because it lacked the wireless support I need for my laptop.
Note to developers: hardware support, functionality and usability are not bloat.
73 • Crossover (by TuxTest on 2012-04-01 00:09:06 GMT from Canada)
I installed Crossover for testing on LinuxMint 11. I install Office 2010, installation was done properly. But every time I launch Word, Excel or all Microsoft Office 2010 Professional, it makes my PC crash. So for me nothing better than under Wine with Crossover. It is not worth the cost. In my case I remised Windows applications under wine or crossover and other emulator. It does not work in 80% of cases. It's a waste of time and effort in my opinion. Since the years of development, there is still no real results. So why develop tools that doesn't work properly. It is my opinion!
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