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1 • Cinnamon (by Toolz on 2012-02-20 10:41:02 GMT from Vietnam)
I'm tired of hearing about Cinnamon. And what's the point of this article? Two thirds of it goes through the install process - then a really amazing four short paragraphs on 'Using Cinnamon'. Ladislav, this does not constitute a 'handy guide'. Further, I'll add that Howtoforge.com is a bane to anyone who has had to manage a blog and DW has linked to similary lame articles hosted there in the past.
2 • installing Cinnamon on a Debian box (by Paraquat on 2012-02-20 10:45:13 GMT from Taiwan)
Christian Schmalfeld's guide to installing and using the Cinnamon desktop was pretty light, but it did answer an important question, how to install Cinnamon on plain old Ubuntu.
But right now I'm running Debian testing. Wondering if there's some way to get Cinnamon installed on that? I don't think I can just add the Linux Mint repository to Debian, can I?
3 • Best distro for... (by Steve on 2012-02-20 11:02:22 GMT from United Kingdom)
Asus eee 1015PEM - with netherlands keyboard?
Puppy is amazing on this thing, but can't get the keymaps right.
Anybody able to recommend a solid recent distro which can help here??
I'm using this PC for college so I want a workaday solution, not something experimental.
:)
thanks...
4 • For more and better Cinnamon coverage... (by eco2geek on 2012-02-20 11:32:30 GMT from United States)
...try the Web Upd8 blog (http://www.webupd8.org/) and type "cinnamon" into the search box. They've been talking about how to install and use it since it first appeared.
Although it seems like every time the topic of Cinnamon comes up, some troll pops up asking why it even exists; informing everyone it looks like a knockoff of Windows XP; asking why its users are living in the past; etc. etc.
(I have nothing to do with Web Upd8 other than to recommend it to those who use Ubuntu and/or Gnome 3.)
5 • Cinnamon, Asturix "On" Desktop, etc. (by DavidEF on 2012-02-20 11:46:39 GMT from United States)
I'm glad there are people working on real solutions for those who wish to stick to a more conventional desktop. I like Unity, but I know some people who are confused by "modern" interfaces, and definitely feel more comfortable with a traditional layout.
6 • @3 - Recommended Distros (by Uncle Slacky on 2012-02-20 11:50:47 GMT from France)
Maybe try Peppermint OS or Mint LXDE - both fairly lightweight, stable (based on Ubuntu) so their internationalization capabilities ought to be equivalent to Ubuntu's.
7 • 2 • installing Cinnamon on a Debian box (by mandog on 2012-02-20 12:02:21 GMT from Peru)
@2 Keep a eye on linux mint announcements this blog was written on February 13, 2012 at 5:32.
Update Pack 4 should hit the “incoming” LMDE repository in the coming weeks and provide MATE, Cinnamon, GNOME 3 and Gnome Shell to LMDE users.
You should then be able to use the mint repro for LMDE to obtain cinnamon for Debian.
8 • @3 (by Rick on 2012-02-20 12:30:10 GMT from United States)
Dare I say plain ol' Ubuntu? If you're not crazy about Unity, you can use 10.4 LTS until they drop it, but by then something like Cinnamon or LXDE will be ready for primetime (I know, LXDE has been around a while now, but it's still too rough-around-the-edges for me to get behind 100%.)
Or, if stability is paramount, you may wish to give Scientific a spin, as it's built on Red Hat/CentOS, which being enterprise-class is kind of the definition of stable.
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As an aside, I too am baffled at the anti-Cinnamon trolls. It's what users requested (a more "traditional" desktop experience) built on current technology (Gnome3). How is this in any way a bad thing?
9 • Cinnamon (by Coffee on 2012-02-20 12:31:44 GMT from France)
Underneath a screen shot of the cinnamon-enhanced desktop it says "classic menu". But all I see is a huge square blotch covering more than a quarter of the screen's surface which is riddled with columns of large icons. Do people even know these days what a "classic menu" looks like?
10 • Simple GNOME workaround for Mint LMDE (by Darkman on 2012-02-20 12:36:22 GMT from United States)
If you like LMDE, the old GNOME and don't mind a stable installation:
Download and install Mint LMDE 2011-09, then follow the instructions here:
http://rivenathos.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/lmde-x2-stable-gnome/
You get a stable version of LMDE with the old Gnome.
(LMDE 2011-09 was released shortly before Squeeze became Stable.)
11 • @3 • Best distro for... (by Steve (by grrr on 2012-02-20 14:34:46 GMT from Slovenia)
You can try Lubuntu, Bodhi Linux, Xubuntu, maybe even Kubuntu with netbook interface and low-fat package. Choose whatever you like. I am sure that there are other versions of Linux that will also do fine on that maschine.
12 • #2 @Paraquat RE: installing Cinnamon on a Debian box (by Koroshiya Itchy on 2012-02-20 14:41:39 GMT from Belgium)
Yes you can:
http://koroshiyaitchy.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/mintifying-debian/
But, as someone pointed out earlier, I guess you will need to wait until the Cinnamon packages hit the LMDE repos.
13 • A note on Cinnamon (by Kevin108 on 2012-02-20 14:57:03 GMT from United States)
The above article on Cinnamon reads, "To apply it after installation, log out of your current session and click on the cog-wheel icon on the login screen to select Cinnamon."
You do not have to log out to switch to Cinnamon after installation. Simply run:
cinnamon --replace
14 • Descent|OS (by whs001 on 2012-02-20 15:04:30 GMT from United States)
The name of this new distro is Descent|OS, not "Decent|OS."
15 • #3 Best distro for... (by vw72 on 2012-02-20 15:25:18 GMT from United States)
While there is nothing wrong with LXDE, Xfce, E17 and distros based on them, I am currently running Kubuntu 11.10 on an Asus 1015PE and it runs quite well using the netbook interface. I'm not sure of the specs of the 1015PEM, but the 1015PE has 1GB RAM and an Atom n450 at 1.66GHz.
When running from the live cd, performance is not good, but installed it is very satisfactory. Also, the KDE netbook interface is quite useable on that form factor.
16 • egsphrps (by egsphrps on 2012-02-20 15:26:06 GMT from Netherlands)
Comment deleted (spam).
17 • #8 Cinnamon (by vw72 on 2012-02-20 15:28:59 GMT from United States)
With regards to the negative comments on cinnamon, it makes sense. Many users have decided to embrace gnome-shell or unity. Cinnamon, as you stated, was a request from users for something more gnome2 like and it therefore does not meet the needs of those who have already made their shell choice for gnome3.
18 • Cinnamon (by Rajamohan on 2012-02-20 15:41:07 GMT from India)
Cinnamon is more promising than forking gnome2(AKA. . MATE), as cinnamon is built over the updated Gnome3 Lib which is next gen Desktop environment.
IMHO allotting more resource to Cinnamon will be much beneficial to Mint and community as a whole.
19 • Gnome (by daniel on 2012-02-20 16:01:25 GMT from Ireland)
First of all, Cinammon isn't really going to step in and save the day for those of us who have to use slightly older hardware. Like Gnome-shell, cinammon depends heavily on compositing and other gimmickry to deliver its user experience - gimmickry which just has too high a cost overhead on older machines.
To my mind, MATÉ has the best likelihood of delivering what users clearly want - a progressive stable desktop based on use paradigms which suit desktop users, not some maximised-windows rubbish or wobbly window nonsense.
20 • RE: 7 + Speaking of (by Landor on 2012-02-20 16:10:33 GMT from Canada)
"@2 Keep a eye on linux mint announcements this blog was written on February 13, 2012 at 5:32.
Update Pack 4 should hit the “incoming” LMDE repository in the coming weeks and provide MATE, Cinnamon, GNOME 3 and Gnome Shell to LMDE users."
Are you kidding me? Seriously? Clem's held off GNOME 3 and GNOME Shell all this time? How much hand holding do these people need if they really want to run testing? It's insane.
I've been using it since it hit testing a test partition and it's been flawless. I've also found absolutely no need to worry about any broken packages, or a broken system. I've had this system installed for a long time now and I've done updates when the packages reached 1200, 1000, 100+, 50+, etc. Right now (I checked) it has just under 100 packages to update.I've never had a problem with anything being broken. Why do they need that severe of coddling. Unbelievable.
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Speaking of updates, Months ago I felt there was no reason to say this, but now I guess I'm going to. Ladislav, I know you can't install every distribution, but gNewSense is far from dormant. I use it on my systems here (as well as Gentoo again) and I can tell you that it receives frequent updates, including updates that are gNewSense specific. This isn't their stable release either. I use their testing build, gNewSense 3.0 'Parkes'. Right now there's 101 on my laptop I do believe, though nothing for my destkop, as I've done them already. (my laptop has a lot more installed because of the very nature of it's use as a testing system).
No matter though, they're continuing on so I don't think it's that big of a deal to them, or people using it. I just thought I'd let you know from someone who does indeed use it.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
21 • Gnome (by Burt on 2012-02-20 16:13:30 GMT from Germany)
There's plenty of distros still supporting gnome 2 into the foreseeable future. I know it's a ball ache to migrate to another system but for those wishing to continue with gnome 2 it appears to be the best option. Centos, scientifc, debian etc etc etc there's plenty out there.
22 • Cinnamon and MATE (by DavidEF on 2012-02-20 17:11:03 GMT from United States)
@17
It "makes sense"? - Really? When does DE bashing make sense? If everyone would just use what they like, and stop all this NONSENSE the linux world would be a better place! Just because you don't like and don't choose to use a certain DE doesn't mean "it makes sense" to bash, trash, and troll. Use what you like, let us all do the same.
@18
Cinnamon may have an easier future, because it is based on present and future technology. It doesn't really go against the flow of where desktop linux is headed. But, there are still those, like daniel (comment 19), who have older hardware and can't use the latest and greatest. MATE will be a better choice for them than Cinnamon, if they want a Gnome 2 desktop. So, Cinnamon can't really be said to be "more promising" than MATE in every use case. Maybe for you and I, but we are only two. And actually, I prefer Unity.
23 • Change of Subject? Debian vs. Software Patents - Hooray! (by DavidEF on 2012-02-20 17:23:36 GMT from United States)
Here's hoping for a (near) future WITHOUT software patents! The existence of software patents doesn't even make sense. I know it makes sense to the marketing and sales departments of major software vendors, but that's all. There is no legitimate reason or excuse for software patents. They just get in the way of true innovation, and product evolution. What about the all-encompassing, generic, ambiguous language they use in those patents? One patent could cover a million distinct ideas! Please, someone, do away with software patents for good!
24 • @19, 22... new desktops and old computers (by julian on 2012-02-20 17:29:14 GMT from United States)
i have no problem with mate but even if it didn't exist there would be plenty of options for similar purposes. Have old hardware, and like regular desktop without a touchscreenlike interface? want a full-featured desktop too? Xfce is likely to do exactly what you want. i am currently using gnome2 (with debian stable) on my old eeepc but xfce and cinnamon were just fine from my point of view.
25 • Livarp (by mrneilypops on 2012-02-20 18:19:13 GMT from Luxembourg)
Congrats to Arpinux on getting Livarp on the waiting list.
A blazingly fast Debian distro(let).
26 • Linux Mint and Spartacus??? (by Clint Brothers on 2012-02-20 18:35:26 GMT from United States)
I love Linux Mint and it Spartacus also. The reason I say that is the article sounds like someone has been watching Spartacus or is an old style Roman speaking in those phrases.
27 • Asturix 4 (by JJ on 2012-02-20 19:01:30 GMT from Brazil)
Jesse, you say; "About once a year I try a new Asturix release and every time it's something very different from the previous trial. The developers appear to be casting around, experimenting with this or that, and it always makes for an interesting ride."
and
"What I'm hoping to see happen is that Asturix will stop jumping around with different ideas and settle on this one,"
Well, Jesse, when you tried Asturix 1, the developer was just 13 years old, and now with Asturix4, he is just 16.
Good day!
28 • @22 It makes sense... (by vw72 on 2012-02-20 19:03:14 GMT from United States)
Just because something makes sense, it doesn't mean it is correct. It just means that it is understandable. I do agree that all of this bashing of desktops is pointless and even detrimental.
29 • RE#3: Best distro for.... (by Gee on 2012-02-20 19:58:29 GMT from United States)
I second to Bohdi, the EEE just loves it.
I even gave away a EEE 701 1gb ram 8gb SSD to a high school student and she loves it. It was running Easy Peasy and UNR, the UNR had some sound/webcam issues and replaced it with the Bohdi.
It also runs great on a old eee 901 but updated UNR runs fine on that machine. It'is running on the SD card on the 901 without a hiccup.
I'm also running it on a Samba 1481 desktop with 448mb of memory that was running Moon and Debian 6 XFCE. For some reason the debian won't boot maybe it is a grub 2 issue.
30 • @5, and Asturix's odd user interface (by eco2geek on 2012-02-20 20:33:46 GMT from United States)
@5: >> I like Unity, but I know some people who are confused
>> by "modern" interfaces, and definitely feel more comfortable with a traditional layout.
No, some people aren't "confused" at all. In fact, some people think that what other people call "modern interfaces" are, in fact, unnecessary impediments to their daily productivity, and feel no need to be lab rats in a particular Major Distribution's user interface laboratory.
Speaking of user interface weirdness, after trying Asturix, I didn't find much to recommend its UI. It looks like its developers took Gnome shell and put the user into permanent "Activities Overview" mode, and also took away the category buttons. The result is that every icon for every application on the computer is just sitting there, unsorted, on the desktop. What a mess.
That default green and white wallpaper doesn't help matters.
31 • @3 (by glitch on 2012-02-20 21:08:18 GMT from United States)
Running the older and lesser powered EEE PC 900 I use OpenSuse 11.4 with standard KDE4 and have no troubles. Your 1015 should be able to have at least as good performance. Really I can't think of any Linux distro that wouldn't work well on a netbook.
32 • Debian versus Software Patents (by Disappointed on 2012-02-20 22:38:52 GMT from Canada)
Re 23) "Change of Topic" - by DavidEF
I realize this site is concerned about Linux and providing an overview of the various distributions, and NOT politics. Unfortunately, software patents strike at the very heart of what most linux users value most; their freedom to pick and choose what THEY want, and not be held hostage by a corporation or patent troll. Perhaps a paragraph once in a while in the weekly section linking to current news at EFF or ChillingEffects? That way, when an issue like SOPA hits the news, you have a link or comment, but don't tie this whole site up with politics. I find it amazing that of 31 comments, only one person picked up on this.
Aside from that, everyone here who contributes to this site should be congratulated. Simple, clean, static site with no irritating CSS of flash irritations, lots of helpful advice, and even the "flame wars" on subjects like the desktop wars are fairly "civil" compare to what goes on elsewhere.
BTW: If anyone has any suggestions on how to get politicians to pay more attention to the rights of their constituents, and less to the profit motives of corporations. Perhaps various groups and websites (such as eff and chilling effects), as well as the various linux distributions could all get together and create a consumer software rights lobby association? Short of destroying our present political infrastructure and starting over from scratch (sort of a "Politics from Scratch") it seems the only way to get any change is to play the corrupt game, and that means a lobby. It seems to have worked for the NRA and MPAA. Maybe bad choice of examples, but something to cogitate on while flipping between Cinnamon and Unity.
I wonder if the FBI and CIA are now going to open up a file on me for voicing these "unAmerican" antiprofit, anti-corporate sentiments?
33 • @30 okay, sure... (by DavidEF on 2012-02-20 23:04:04 GMT from United States)
So, you're not confused, you just don't like it. I'm cool with that. I wasn't talking about you anyway. I was talking about people I know. They are confused. Really, they were confused by the old interface too, until I showed them what a mouse is and how to use it. They still need help from time to time. New interfaces are just too much for me to ask them to process. But, I love shiny new stuff. And actually, I mostly feel that I am more productive on Unity than the old way of Gnome 2. I really don't like Gnome 3, though. I do like Mint's Gnome 3 with Mint extensions, sorta.
I don't personally know about Asturix "On" desktop, except what I read here. But, it looks like somebody is trying to make something useful in another way. Maybe not so useful to you! Maybe Asturix is designed to help the person who is never sure how to find something and would really rather it be all in one place. I actually know a few people who "clutter" their desktops with icons, so they know where stuff is and don't have to look for it. Not just programs either, files too, and internet links, sometimes. To each his own.
34 • @3 • Best distro for... (by whs001 on 2012-02-20 23:35:37 GMT from United States)
I run Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) on an eeePC 1005 and it works just fine for me. Note that this version of Linux Mint is based on Debian, not on Ubuntu as mentioned in an earlier post. If you want it to be more stable, you should probably change all of the Debian repositories from Testing to Wheezy. I am running the first version of LMDE, which was based on Testing when Squeeze was still Testing, and I changed the repositories to Squeeze, which has since become Stable. And although LMDE is GNOME by default, I am using LXDE.
35 • DE's (by lutz on 2012-02-21 00:10:24 GMT from Germany)
so much folks are debating about DE's. don't forget what unix is about. small tools & modularity. take a base-system + X11 + WM + your apps. that's it.
36 • RE: 35 (by Landor on 2012-02-21 02:43:38 GMT from Canada)
Lutz has it bang on. Build the system how you want it. I've come to understand a lot of you are power on, log in, and click type of users, but it's really not that hard to do more. I just read a fascinating article in Linux Magazine (Pro) on how to make a custom GNOME Fallback, and add Fluxbox. I found it very interesting, and came up with even more possibilities for it in the just the few minutes I spent glancing at it. I'm sure I'll come up with even more as I read it properly.
Point is there, there's absolutely no limitations, except of your own volition. Don't let distributions coddle you. Don't act like sheep and crying this sucks and stamping your feet and pouting. Learn a bit more and make something into what you want it. I can almost guarantee you that you should be able to build a system you want, the way you want it, without having to know how to write any code yourself. There's more than enough alternatives out there that you could paste together an amazing system all your own. It's so simple to do. If you don't believe it is, then remember the person who built Asturix was 13 when he first did, and my son built his own Gentoo system around the same age. You can't do it too?
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
37 • Re: 36. By Landor (by tdockery97 on 2012-02-21 03:13:43 GMT from United States)
I really wish more people would take your advice to heart Landor. Everyone seems to think you must be a developer to piece together your own system, or that they must keep the defaults on whatever their base system of choice happens to be. I've only been using Linux for two years, which makes me a relative newbie. I've tried almost all of the major distros out there, and when I finish setting them up they are usually nothing like the default that the developers presented.
I understand that many people must have systems that allow them to work and make a living, but that doesn't mean you can't still have a little fun as well.
38 • @33: We can agree on one thing. (by eco2geek on 2012-02-21 03:30:58 GMT from United States)
@33: Although arguments about which is the better desktop paradigm will probably continue until PCs disappear altogether, one thing is for sure: gnome-shell and Unity have brought something altogether different to the table, and more choice is always a good thing.
(The three-year-old in me simply can't help it. Here's a rhyme involving today's featured distro:
"Little Sally went on out
Upon the ice to frisk.
Wasn't she a silly girl
Her little Asturix?"
We now return you to your regular discussion thread, already in progress.)
39 • RE: 37 (by Landor on 2012-02-21 04:23:02 GMT from Canada)
I actually wish they would too. Things would be so much easier for all of us. But the problem is most are just as I said, the ones that click. They only want to click, period (for the most part of course). What we're hearing from them we'll always hear. The next time something comes along that disrupts them in some way, it'll be the same. Not all of them of course, but I honestly believe the majority.
Don't consider yourself new either. From the sounds of it you learned in 6 months that a lot still haven't caught up to. When I returned to Linux a number of years ago, it took me about six months or so to get back up to par. Mind you, I did have all my previous knowledge to fall back on, but I still had to catch up, and the fact that I didn't really use the desktop in Linux at all created a major learning curve for me in a short time. In fact, in some ways I'm still learning as there's quite a number of WMs and such I haven't used and intend to. Thanks to distributions like livarp, that number's going to be a bit less very soon. :)
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
40 • @37 (by Rajamohan on 2012-02-21 05:33:57 GMT from India)
tdockery97,
I have stepped into Linux by 1995 and fully got converted to Linux Environment by 2006. It would be true to many of the people here. The point is what made you to switch from a system to Linux, for me 1. Cost (Free OS, Free development tools no license issues) 2. Virus (unpredicted behaviors, frequent formating). Now after being converted more points. 3. Open standards, 4. No lock ins, 5. Modern 6. I am not let out. I am moving with the advancement in IT world.
Sometime the root of any concept is forgot or misunderstood particularly Open source software. The OSS product are developed by unpaid developers. Its developed by volunteers and as a user I can take part by using the product, testing it, report bugs, tweak some to my needs. If I find an issue which can't be solved I can ask the developer or the community around the product. If I find a person facing the same problem I guide them. This is a truth of OSS.
As we go forward, we forget about this core ideas and start demanding product to our need. If I am determined to use a OSS product I need to understand the OSS development process and also know steps how to adopt it.
If organization can changes the way the product function, for their survival its there strategic changes to cope up with the advancement and challenges in the environment.
As a user I need to understand the changes and if it fit my bill I can adopt it or I drop. off course the more people adopt to the changes it survive, viz a viz.
I currently adopted Gnome Shell with Linux mint shell extension. In a week of use it brought my productivity back on track.
41 • @3 Netbook distro suggestion (by Vic on 2012-02-21 05:45:33 GMT from United States)
Give Joli OS a shot. It isn't for everyone (hang around listening to everyone here long enough and you'll discover little is...) but I've stuck with it on my HP mini since it came out 2 years ago. It has great hardware support in my testing (which is limited), and having a Ubuntu base it is very easy to just use or tweak to taste. The DE defaults are well suited to the form factor, and being a tweaked version of gnome 2 it's easy to customize. Not a huge fan of big icons, but again because of the device and how I use it I leave them. Though again it's something you could tweak I'm sure.
Just my suggestion. The best thing is there are plenty of options with Linux so try at least a few out until you find what suits you best.
Vic
42 • Home media server solution (by Vic on 2012-02-21 06:04:43 GMT from United States)
Off this week's topics but I'm curious what kind of suggestions readers here would give for a starting base for putting together a small home media setup. I'm thinking about piecing together something from the ground up but the range of options out there has me stalled. I want to avoid a premade distro but start with a minimal base. I was thinking either Arch or a bare bones Ubuntu server setup that I could build on as needed.
Vic
43 • Asturix 4 (by l2ulinux on 2012-02-21 07:20:54 GMT from United States)
This is a release that was built on ubuntu 11.10 but it is very different in so many ways. The ON desktop could be a great replacement for Gnome 3 are maybe Cinnamon. One thing about it is that they have shown Linux users there is something new and very different to use. May this help the Asturix 4 release grow and the World take a new look at it.
44 • @3 (by Tim on 2012-02-21 07:56:37 GMT from Netherlands)
I have the same netbook here. Started with linux mint xfce which worked really nice. If you have a spare tenner, upgrade your memory to 2gb for an incredible performance boost.
ATM Im running Arch Linux but that might be too much maintenance in your case.
45 • RE: 3 • Best distro for... (by dopher on 2012-02-21 09:22:17 GMT from Belgium)
puppy has support for dutch keyboard lay out. You just have to configure it. I would try to fix your problem first, before switching to another distro. Will be a good exercise. Try the forum. They are very helpfull.
If you can't fix this simple problem, you will be switching again in the near future for yet another small issue. Fix it, and then decide if you wanna switch to another distro.
46 • @36 (by mandog on 2012-02-21 11:59:44 GMT from Peru)
Your last paragraph is spot on.
>Landor said, Point is there, there's absolutely no limitations, except of your own volition. Don't let distributions coddle you. Don't act like sheep and crying this sucks and stamping your feet and pouting. Learn a bit more and make something into what you want it. I can almost guarantee you that you should be able to build a system you want, the way you want it, without having to know how to write any code yourself. There's more than enough alternatives out there that you could paste together an amazing system all your own. It's so simple to do. If you don't believe it is, then remember the person who built Asturix was 13 when he first did, and my son built his own Gentoo system around the same age. You can do it too?
I do and I'm in my 60s
47 • @29 EEE 901 Bohdi (by Roger on 2012-02-21 17:14:44 GMT from United Kingdom)
Running Ubuntu 10.04
tried Bodhi, nice but wireless wont work properly.
Not sure if a driver issue.
(Problem with many distros with WPA2 but added a different kernel and that sorted 10.04, RT28** driver issue)
48 • @3 eeePC 1015 PEM (by niteshadow on 2012-02-21 22:18:28 GMT from Canada)
I have that same netbook and I use Ping-Eee OS (Netbook Edition of Pinguy OS).
My keyboard is Canadian-multilingual and it was handled well (not that I use it, as I simply default to US).
Things work well OTB (notably notification, power, hotkeys) compared to other distros.
JoliOS worked also but it's being abandoned.
WIreless stability was the only issue (same with other distros same as @47)
Turns out I had to blacklist conflicting kernel modules (with the ralink wireless).
Check with "lsmod | grep rt2" to make sure that your system loads RTxxxx modules.
Then open the blackist entries (gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf)
And add the blacklist entries; in my case:
blacklist rt2800usb
blacklist rt2x00lib
blacklist rt2x00pci
blacklist rt2x00usb
This left me with the "rt2860sta" module which is stable but only gives me "G" speeds. This is OK for me as I don't need "N" speeds.
49 • #31, #3 (by Andy Prough on 2012-02-21 22:39:08 GMT from United States)
I agree - I'm using openSUSE 12.1 on an older eeePC than the original poster, and it's running very well. I don't see much reason to use a limited "light" distro, when current versions of KDE on openSUSE are so responsive and are managing memory so well.
50 • @48 how is JoliOS abandoned? (by Vic on 2012-02-22 04:27:28 GMT from United States)
Just curious on what you are basing the claim that Joli OS is being abandoned? Last I checked there was still active development going on towards the beta release of version 2.0. Their website and twitter feeds are also still very active. Did I miss something?
51 • @48 sleepy misunderstanding... (by Vic on 2012-02-22 18:27:49 GMT from Canada)
I'm going to take back my comment #50 on the grounds that I was half a sleep last night when I read your post and took it to mean joliOS was being abandoned when you were probably referring to you abandoning it on your eee. Really have to refrain from posting stuff in bed...
The quote below the comment box is really fitting at times!
52 • End of support for Kubuntu (by Sanjay The KDE fan on 2012-02-23 07:14:07 GMT from India)
If its true than I will move to OpenSuse ; now Ubuntu's main focus gone to unity and mobile device.
53 • dvd/cd iso (by jack on 2012-02-23 15:57:52 GMT from Canada)
Is it possible for a developer to create an ISO
(less than 700 mb) that the user can download and burn to *either* a blank dvd or a blank CD?
My friend just ran out of CDs and tried to burn Proteus to a blank dvd--it would not start to load.
Proteus appears very attractive
Thanks
54 • Images to blank discs (by Jesse on 2012-02-23 16:58:27 GMT from Canada)
@53:
Any valid ISO image under 700MB in size should, I think, work on either a DVD or a CD. I often run out of blank CDs and end up burning small distributions to blank DVDs instead. It has never posed a problem. In your friend's case it's likely either the image was corrupted or the distribution simply doesn't work with their hardware.
55 • Questions and Answers (by Jesse Smith) (by Roy H Huddleston on 2012-02-23 19:33:04 GMT from United States)
"As for GNOME, when GNOME 2 was discontinued by the upstream project Canonical had a choice of moving to the unknown and untested GNOME 3 Shell or coming up with their own solution. For better or worse they decided to forge their own path. Hardly a big loss for GNOME fans as GNOME Shell (like the KDE desktop) is still available in Ubuntu's repositories. If there are enough GNOME fans out there they can always form their own Ubuntu community project and create spins using the GNOME desktop by default. One might argue that is basically what the Linux Mint team has done, create a GNOME-centric Ubuntu-based distribution."
There are those of us who trying to get weaned off of Gnome 2. And some have opted for the LXDE that was with Debian as Gnome was with Debian. My struggle with LXDE since I have been running Lubuntu was the Xscreensaver as I like the Gnome screensaver better. It wasn't that hard to get rid of the Ace-Of-Penquins so I could put in the Gnome games. For me Gnome is about dead as Bill Gates said DOS was dead.
56 • Debian Stable Xfce (by Caraibes on 2012-02-23 20:27:06 GMT from Dominican Republic)
Just installed Debian Stable Xfce on this older Samsung Q30 laptop... It seems nice... It boots into 68megs of ram (laptop has 512 only)...
But how do I get a nice volume icon in the toolbar (like one would have in Gnome 2) ???
The Xfce mixer thing opens up a window instead of a Gnome-like volume sliding-bar...
Any ideas ???
57 • @36 - On the subject of stamping feet and pouting (by eco2geek on 2012-02-23 20:34:10 GMT from United States)
Landor wrote:
> Point is there, there's absolutely no limitations, except of your own volition.
> Don't let distributions coddle you. Don't act like sheep and crying this sucks
> and stamping your feet and pouting. Learn a bit more and make something
> into what you want it.
Been thinking about that statement and, yes, I suppose a large part of my vocal crankiness about both Unity and gnome-shell are related to the fact that I felt like I had a good thing going with Ubuntu and GNOME 2. I liked being "coddled," as you put it. The underlying OS worked (and still works) well with my hardware, and the UI was comfortable, familiar, and one could make it quite good-looking.
Having had a past distro that I used go away due to most of the devs leaving to form their own project, I was hoping that this situation would last for a lot longer than it did.
58 • RE: 57 (by Landor on 2012-02-24 04:29:21 GMT from Canada)
Let's see if I can type out something that's not completely error ridden at best.
I'll say something about GNOME 3 and the Shells that nobody seems to get, and I've spoken of this before. GNOME is driven by funding, and the major funding contributors get to have a say in things. On top of that, don't forget that at least some of these contributors have developers working solely for GNOME, and some even have some that work part-time, as well as other employees that are 'encouraged' to share their talents with GNOME. So, knowing, (and hopefully) as well as understanding this, it should come as no surprise that there were actual studies involved in their next-generation desktop. Most people believe GNOME just decided what was best. Not at all. They think a billion dollar company like RH would let their flagship DE just undergo a change without actually investigating it first? They're not too bright if they do, and of course, they've proven that here, week in, and week out.
Anyway, with that part over, let's get to the meat of things.
I don't like bashing new users, or any user really, but I don't like any kind of user who thinks they know everything because they're a user, what a load of crap. Then there's the user who thinks that everything should suit them, only because they think so. Nobody told them that everything would last forever, but what a slight against them! How dare someone stop something they want! The sacrilege! The people doing so must be stupid! They must not know anything about what they're doing! And why? Because the users say so!
Now we're at a point in time where we have the Windows user mindset (and if anyone knows, I hate speaking of any other operating system unless absolutely necessary). The kind of belief that everything must be spoon fed to them. Everything must work exactly how 'they' 'demand' it should. Hell, they're so bent, and out of touch with reality, they think that Mint is going to destroy Ubuntu (what a joke) and make it disappear, yet the majority will only use the Ubuntu based version, and what does that mean? What a joke. These users don't want to learn anything, they don't believe they can, and I bet they even format an install and reinstall instead of simply editing some text file because they have absolutely no clue, yet think they're hardcore gurus because they can install an operating system, and most like can run 'scans' on their friends Windows based computers. People complaining and giving the total sum of negative zero back.
I don't know what distribution you were using, something tells me maybe an rpm based one. I'm sure with the time you've been around you could build something even better than you were used to. I don't doubt too that you tweaked it in your time as well. That alone give you a leg-up over many that won't even do that simple task.
As has been said here, there's a lot of alternatives. You could even run a non-supported build of GNOME 2 on your system for as long as it will build, and there's no conflicts with updates. Debian would probably be the very easiest for that. You can lock down those related packages. I'm guessing you know all this though.
To be hones too, I'm sorry you don't have much time left with GNOME 2. I understand, I have it on my systems for my gNewSense 3.0 development builds. But I also have GNOME 3, which I'm using right now, and really enjoy it. In fact, a clean install of GNOME 3 without extensions isn't as good as Unity Shell in my opinion, but I've grown accustomed to GNOME 3 Shell.
Oh, and nor was I saying you were any of the users above. I was trying to explain some of my reasoning for my comment(s) on the matter.
For anyone else reading this, and you might speak up and say it was wasted money for the study, or the study was wrong, etc. Let me finish by saying that GNOME started GNOME 3 Shell long before it was released, none of you knew about it, nor did I, know why? We didn't care to. It's a little late now to care though right? It's done. If you don't like that you don't have any massive amount of influence on the direction of GNOME, why not donate 10,000 dollars and get a seat on the advisory committee for a year. If you don't have that kind of money, why not join the project now and eventually get involved in the future development of something like GNOME 4. Then you can try justify the changes to everyone that's calling you and the rest of GNOME idiots when it comes out.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
59 • Privacy and TOR issues (by Tom on 2012-02-24 17:24:25 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hi :)
I seem to remember a distro that was quite extreme about privacy issues and had the TOR system built-in amoungst other things. Can anyone remember the name of the distro? Is it still going? It might be a good thing to have if visiting certain countries or for journalists and others. ust wondering really.
Regards from
Tom :)
60 • RE: 59 Privacy and TOR (by ladislav on 2012-02-24 18:42:23 GMT from Taiwan)
The DistroWatch search page might be of help:
http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Privacy
61 • @ 59 It was NodeZero (by CliffyB on 2012-02-25 00:40:55 GMT from United States)
It`s on the waiting list. A very fast distro also.
62 • Reply to post # 58 (by Verndog on 2012-02-25 00:48:42 GMT from United States)
I almost hate coming to Distrowatch anymore, for the reasons you stated. Today I thought, why not, its late in the week and maybe the 13 yr olds have left the building.
I too like Lucid and Gnome 2, but then things change. Things in life change. I didn't like Unity. Had little opinion about Gnome 3, but after installing Fedora16 and using gnome 3 for a while, I found a Cinnamon install for it. Have been using it ever since, but I was I had stayed with Gnome 3. I didn't have any complaints with Gnome 3, just that cinnamon came along and everyone and their mother was tooting its praises. I got caught up in the hype.
Going back to Ubuntu Precise and now using Unity. I am getting use to it! Never thought I would, but it has improved to the point that I actually like it.
63 • Dream Studio vs Dream Linux (by RollMeAway on 2012-02-25 02:17:08 GMT from United States)
There appears to be NO relationship between the two distributions.
Perhaps the creators of Dream Studio should have done a little web searching
before choosing a name already in use?
Could avoid much confusion.
64 • GNOME3 + Unity = The Windows Vista of Linux (by dude on 2012-02-25 04:41:21 GMT from Kuwait)
Anybody remember the Windows Vista Fiasco that Microsoft inflicted on the world? Now Ubuntu is doing the same thing with GNOME3 and Unity. Why does the screen have to go black like the infamous Vista UAC screen? Hated it! That's why I'm switching to Linux Mint 9 instead. It's based on Ubuntu 10.04 with GNOME2 and it's supported until April 2013. Hopefully, something better than GNOME3 + Unity will come along before then. I'm looking forward to Cinnamon, but I can't get it to work with Linux Mint 12 64 bit. Maybe Mint will have this problem fixed in Mint 13?
65 • @63 + ghostBSD (by JR on 2012-02-25 15:38:14 GMT from Brazil)
I think that Dream Studio was created when Dreamlinux was dormant and it seemed that it would not recover. It may have been the reason they have not been concerned with the similarity in name.
Changing the subject ... I am testing GhostBSD but I can not use the package manager, anything I try to make it hangs, the last test I clicked on "updating manager", I'm waiting for several minutes and I have no answer seems to be working but nothing happens, does anyone have this problem too?
66 • ghostBSD @65 (by JR on 2012-02-25 21:32:29 GMT from Brazil)
complementing the comment 65: I found the problem about the package manager, my ISP's firewall was blocking the connections, solved!
speaking of which, the program is great, I've installed xfce4.8 and I'm using it right now! The package manager is very easy to use and really works, congratulations to the developers of ghostBSD!
67 • @58 (by eco2geek on 2012-02-25 23:35:50 GMT from United States)
> They think a billion dollar company like RH would let their flagship DE just undergo a
> change without actually investigating it first?
Agreed. Gnome 3 was a collaboration between a large group of people, and Red Hat knows that, someday, it'll end up in its flagship product. I don't know how many useability studies were done, but a lot of (smart) people had to agree on the changes.
> Then there's the user who thinks that everything should suit them, only because they
> think so. Nobody told them that everything would last forever, but what a slight against
> them! How dare someone stop something they want! The sacrilege! The people doing
> so must be stupid!
Damn straight. Finally, someone who understands.
Oh, wait, were you being sarcastic? :-) :-) Too bad real life doesn't work that way.
Anyway, it's probably past time to quit bitching and get on with life. For anyone who doesn't like gnome-shell or Unity, try out KDE. Kubuntu's not bad. Or Linux Mint with Cinnamon.
68 • Kubuntu Oneiric 11.10 (by Paul L on 2012-02-26 06:50:04 GMT from United States)
I switched to Linux in 2007, and began my Kubuntu journey with Edgy Eft. I upgraded, or installed fresh, each new release, experiencing improvements with every one.
Kubuntu Oneirec 11.10 has been, in my opinion, the best Kubuntu release so far. It 'just works' for me, which is all that really matters. Installed on my HP Pavilion g7 (64-bit), the KDE Plasma Desktop is a pure joy to use. No crashes. No bugs. No hassles.
The support I've received at Kubuntu Forums over the years has been fantastic, and in the beginning of my Linux journey, was what sold me on Linux, and Kubuntu Linux specifically.
Kubuntu Linux Rocks!
69 • Kubuntu (by Mac on 2012-02-26 16:41:47 GMT from United States)
Paul try Kubuntu 12.04 daily build. Aptosid is my thing but 12.04 LTS is looking good.
12.04 install every thing I have from the start and after I change it to be my way. Fits real good here. And the new kde 4.8 still lets me do my thing. Don't plan any changes soon.
O and they both boot with my third party loader real nice.
Don't understand all the fuss!!
Mac
KDE for me
70 • @58 (by Andy Prough on 2012-02-27 07:20:04 GMT from United States)
Landor - I just wanted to make note that over the years Novell/SUSE have employed nearly as many dedicated Gnome engineers (if not more) than Red Hat, including, of course, Miguel de Icaza. RH should not shoulder all the blame/responsibility/accolades for Gnome 3 - there were quite a number of large companies invested in the new interface.
And, they've likely moved in the right direction. As much as I prefer my desktop/laptop rigs for doing my work, the majority of the rest of the people in the world are getting online with a mobile device. And, now that I've been using an eeePC and a smart phone and an Android tablet, I've got to admit, Android and Gnome 3 and KDE's Plasma Netbook are definitely more useful on the mobile screens.
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