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1 • happy new year (by Anonymous on 2011-01-03 09:19:30 GMT from United States)
happy new year to the DWW team and all its readers, a big thank you for the intersting new year's first issue, and keep up the great work.
2 • BSD (by Stricken on 2011-01-03 09:32:49 GMT from United Kingdom)
Until the question of whether the CIA or anyone else has placed a backdoor in BSD has been addressed, no-one is going to use it. To find the truth about this some say is impossible, others say could take a very long time. Why didn't you ask Mattie, Jesse?!
Most likely M$ has dozens of exploits of benefit to themselves and the Administration. As for Linux, it seems unlikely, although it might've been preferable for Linus to continue his work in Finland?!
3 • Happy New Year (by Tom on 2011-01-03 10:13:33 GMT from United Kingdom)
Happy New Year to everyone. :)
The back-pages still show OpenOffice rather than LibreOffice. Is that single row going to be used for both? Perhaps the version numbers could start with L or O?
how many distros have moved to LibreOffice already?
Regards from Tom :)
4 • Mandriva (by OssT on 2011-01-03 10:24:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
I am kind of sad to see that this distribution is starting to fall down the list. When I first started using linux it was redhat 7.x and i was playing around with, what it was called then, mandrake and learnt a bit about linux from it.
I hope it continues to do well even though their financial situation is a bit worrying. Will be interesting to see how well the spin-off distribution does.
5 • Stricken (by JokerBoy on 2011-01-03 10:38:58 GMT from Romania)
2# Correction: OpenBSD, not every BSD OS. I think this is FUD..
6 • MicroSquish (by Tom on 2011-01-03 11:01:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
@5 & 2
IF MicroSquish DO have back-doors in other operating systems then lets hope they are as reliable and stable as it's other projects.
I doubt people will stop using it. People don't suddenly stop using MicroSquish en-masse just because it gets easily infected and compromised. I imagine there is a lot of work going on to find and correct. There are still no examples of systems being compromised out in the wild but we have heard of new virusses (virii?) that only affect Windows systems (guessing anyway).
Regards from
Tom :)
7 • prizes (by Tom on 2011-01-03 11:17:04 GMT from United Kingdom)
It is great to see which projects have been given prizes by DW. A good choice of projects that really appreciate the prize money. Supporting key multimedia projects, and break-away projects and that nudge for LxDE have been excellent choices. LxDE has certainly paid-off! :)
I would like to nominate sliTaz for the prize because i have found them incredibly useful this last year. They don't really fit into the criteria of being about multimedia and they are not new but they have saved my hide many times.
Many thanks all and happy new year from Tom :)
8 • PCLinuxOS (by Barista Uno on 2011-01-03 11:37:20 GMT from Philippines)
I'm not surprised that PCLinuxOS inched up in the Distrowatch rankings from 8th to 6th spot, beating the venerable Mandriva. Out of curiousity, I recently installed PCLinuxOS 2010.2 lxde on an HP Pavilion desktop rig with 500MHz processor, 320MB RAM and very limited onboard video capability. PCLinuxOS has breathed new life into this ancient machine. I have now decided to use the unit as my day-to-day workstation. turning to my Atom-based netbook for occasional video-watching.
9 • Backdoors. Again, read & (try to) learn ... (by jake on 2011-01-03 11:39:53 GMT from United States)
Do backdoors exist in most/many major OSes?
The answer is that I don't know. Neither do you. Read my old mentor's paper:
http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html
Bottom line is that if you don't own/understand/grok the tool-chain at a ones & zeros level, you really don't know what is buried in it. Personally, I'm going to carry on carrying on, just as I have since I first realized the possibility back in the early 1980s ...
10 • #7 (by anticapitalista on 2011-01-03 11:40:25 GMT from N/A)
#7 Nothing against sliTaz, but it won an award in 2009. I would recommend a project that hasn't won before.
libTorrent and rTorrent maybe?
http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/
11 • libtorrent (by OssT on 2011-01-03 12:08:22 GMT from United Kingdom)
From someone that uses rTorrent extensively on my website and for personal use, I would also be happy to see libtorrent get a donation from DW.
12 • gtkpod project (by ceti on 2011-01-03 12:51:44 GMT from Brazil)
Congrats to gtkpod for being the recipient of the December donation.
gtkpod is great, much better than the Apple software.
13 • Re:2 • BSD (by Stricken on 2011-01-03 09:32:49 GMT from United Kingdom) (by N.N. on 2011-01-03 13:44:36 GMT from United States)
Do you think that Linux is clean?
14 • No news? (by ix on 2011-01-03 13:48:40 GMT from Romania)
You usually have a news section. Where are the news? Weren't there any, for two weeks?
Happy new year!
15 • Fun HTPC project (by Michael Raugh on 2011-01-03 14:06:00 GMT from United States)
My new wife bought us a geeky gift over the holidays: a Giada N20. It's a ridiculously tiny form factor PC with dual-core Atom CPU and NVidia ION2 graphics system with HDMI out. Comes with no OS -- refreshing! -- so we downloaded and installed XBMC Live, which is a stripped-down Ubuntu that boots straight into the XBMC media center application.
She is a Windows user by profession but quickly agreed that we didn't want a fat OS on this tiny box. A dual-core Atom is still an Atom, after all; we wanted as much of its horsepower as possible going into serving up media. XBMC was fully functional within about 20 minutes, including time to install the distribution to the internal hard drive. "Fully functional" means playing a hi-def video stored on my CentOS server and being controlled by the remote that came with the Giada (and which, BTW, can power the unit on by remote -- very cool). We spent a pleasant afternoon adding extras like Hulu Desktop, a few interesting XBMC plug-ins, Firefox, and then adding apps to our Android phones to use them as XBMC remote controls over WiFi. A very satisfying project for a couple of geeky newlyweds. ;^)
XBMC: http://xbmc.org/
Giada N20 specs: http://www.giadapc.com/products/minipc/slim%20series/22.html
-MR
16 • @ 13 (by Anonymous on 2011-01-03 15:56:42 GMT from United States)
Linux is clean, that is why RHEL 6 has had more security advisories issued against it than Windows 7 in the same time period.
17 • #16 Linux security vs. Windows insecurity (by Caitlyn Martin on 2011-01-03 16:48:47 GMT from United States)
The difference between RHEL 6 and Windows 7 security advisories you list might just be accurate in terms of a count, but not in any other meaningful way. You didn't say which period of time you were looking at. Different time frames will yield different results. Without specifying the time period your statement is too broad to be accurate.
Even if your statement is accurate for a given period it does not mean that Windows is more secure. First, RHEL 6 is a brand new release and Windows 7 is not so discovery of more bugs and vulnerabilities at this stage is expected.. Second, Windows has more serious issues than RHEL 6 or, indeed, any Linux distribution. Third, part of the reasons flaws are found quickly and there is always a flurry of security advisories on a new Linux release is that there are many more eyes on the code. This is a huge advantage of FOSS over proprietary systems. Windows bugs can and do stay hidden longer for just that reason. Finally, Red Hat has a reputation for delivering errata very quickly while Microsoft has a reputation for being slow to patch and having a cavalier attitude towards security.
For all the reasons above Red Hat, flaws and all, is more secure that Windows will ever be. The mere fact that Windows apps often run with system privileges while equivalent Linux apps run with user privileges only is one of the main reasons *nix (Linux, BSD, MacOS, commercial UNIX) are all far safer and more secure than Windows.
18 • #16 (by Jokerboy on 2011-01-03 16:52:24 GMT from Romania)
year, right. http://kerneltrap.org/node/1584
and btw, linux!=OS.
19 • Page hit rankings (by Caitlyn Martin on 2011-01-03 17:06:47 GMT from United States)
I wholeheartedly agree with Ladislav's comments in the last paragraph of the piece on page hit rankings. DistroWatch mainly attracts home users and Linux hobbyists plus some newcomers looking for more information. I agree with not taking them too seriously as I doubt they reflect overall usage or viability of a distro.
For example, where is Android? It is on all sorts of netbooks and tablets nowadays, both of which count to desktop market share. It should show up somewhere but it does not. DistroWatch doesn't even count it as Linux but rather as "other operating systems" which are untracked.
There is exactly one billion dollar Linux company and that is Red Hat. Everybody uses Red Hat whether they realize it or not. Banks, utilities, government agencies, stock markets, airlines and a host of other businesses you likely interact with at some point in a given day all run Red Hat, which dominates the enterprise market. SUSE is a distant and fading second. Ubuntu, despite significant efforts by Canonical, is still not a significant player in enterprise space. IME Red Hat is also the leader among business distributions on the business desktop. The new $49 Desktop Edition of RHEL will help push that.
I dare say Mandriva will bounce back if they put out quality releases on a regular basis. The flight from Mandriva has been over the uncertainty surrounding the distro. Remove that uncertainty and many users will return, particularly if they are dissatisfied with whatever they moved on to.
20 • Bug reports (by Jesse on 2011-01-03 17:48:47 GMT from Canada)
Something I'd like to add to post 17, when comparing the number of bug reports between operating systems, it is also important to look at what is being covered. If you're looking at Windows 7 reports, you get the OS, some basic tools, not much else. With a platform like Red Hat, bug reports will include the base OS, the common tools, plus all of the software in their repository. RHEL has something like 4,000 packages to maintain, it stands to reason there will be more bugs with more software packages available.
The page hit ranks definitely do not reflect the usage of visitors to this site. Arch may be the most obvious example. The page hits put Arch at position 9, but the visitor stats page show Arch as being less than 0.1 per cent of the DW population.
21 • @16 security (by ix on 2011-01-03 17:53:05 GMT from Romania)
It's a silly comparison, really. You are comparing an operating system with thousands of official packages and a kernel full of open source drivers (RHEL) with Windows 7, in which you install apps from 3rd party sources and drivers from 3rd party sources. They have the most vulnerabilities, not the OS itself.
If you would include 3rd party apps and drivers, you would see that Windows 7 has much more vulnerabilities.
Some time ago, I made a comparison of the criticality of the vulnerabilities in the Linux kernel vs XP, Vista, and Mac OS X:
Linux: http://tinyurl.com/3xtexp8
XP: http://tinyurl.com/39oe3qx
Vista: http://tinyurl.com/2ut8gqx
Mac OS X: http://tinyurl.com/372w6vu
22 • #18, Technically correct, factually wrong (by Caitlyn Martin on 2011-01-03 17:57:24 GMT from United States)
and btw, linux!=OS.
Technically Linux is just the kernel. However, common usage is different. When most people, including technically knowledgeable ones, refer to Linux they mean the entire OS and applications bundled in a distribution. That usage of Linux applies equally to those who are technically astute and those who are not. It's also perfectly reasonable considering distros market themselves as Linux.
23 • Happy New Year to all! (by claudecat on 2011-01-03 18:21:53 GMT from United States)
I just want to thank Ladislav, Jesse, Caitlyn and anyone else involved for the wonder that is Distrowatch. It remains my eternal home page on each and every distro I install. The only possibly better site is www.dedoimedo.com. Won't even mention my own new blog - http://claudecat.wordpress.com/. Wait... did i just mention that?
24 • Zeigenstudios Distro Chooser (by Pearson on 2011-01-03 18:36:42 GMT from United States)
I used the distro chooser, to see what it would recommend (how well it matched my research). Based on my answers, it recommends Fedora or OpenSUSE. Fine, that's reasonable. But then it says Debian, Linux Mint, and a few others may not be sutable because "Your computer may be too slow". While I haven't used either Fedor or openSUSE, I don't get the impressition that they run any better on older computers than Debian or Linux Mint.
25 • Bottom Link Points To Previous Issue (by RHTopics on 2011-01-03 19:39:39 GMT from United States)
On the hompage, the bottom link for DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 386 points to:
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20101220
The top link is of course correct.
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20110103
That through me off a little bit when I first clicked the bottom link.
Thanks for another interesting issue of DistroWatch Weekly.
26 • AntiX (by Tom on 2011-01-03 19:41:44 GMT from United Kingdom)
AntiX is excellent. My problems with it in 2007 are long gone now that it is so easy to download. I need to give it another go because i really enjoyed the OS. Yes, i would at least 2nd it for the prize now :)
Regards from Tom :)
27 • @ #2 & 16, security stuff (by Anonymous on 2011-01-03 20:12:38 GMT from United States)
When it comes to the question of problems OSes I think first that #2 should remember that OpenBSD code may or may not be ported into other BSDs, or given the nature of the BSD license it may well be in any number of OSes like Linux, Solaris, or most likely Mac OSX,which uses lots of BSD code and slaps a slick pricey exterior on top. Hell even MS Windows used BSD for at least a while (I'm looking @ you #16), so it's hard to say where such a thing could have ended up, if the reported backdoor even exists at all.
Also #16, in addition to the problems with what was implied in your statement mentioned previously you should also consider the number of patches in software and not just the number of vulnerabilities that are exposed. I for one like to poke my nose into the vulnerability statistics on web browsers on occasion and I think comparing IE to the rest of the browsers is very telling. Looking through Wikipedia's 'comparison of web browsers' page and updating the vulnerabilities section @ the bottom of the page as I am taken to do on occasion has given me a general impression of how MS treats security. Microsoft does tend to patch big problems in _relatively_ short order; however, most of their other bugs tend to linger and pile up until there is a mountain of little bugs. Apple has also left at least one security hole in Safari 5.x for just this side of forever. Most other browsers are patched in a matter of days or weeks, and they are all patched in total, so 0 bugs is the norm for Opera, Firefox, and Chrome. I still use Windows quite frequently, but I seriously doubt that MS is going to patch Win 7 in a manner altogether different than IE 7 & 8, and I would assume that an open source giant like Red Hat would act more like their open source counterparts at Mozilla who both aim for and generally achieve a bug free Firefox web browser, even if lots of bugs are found along the way.
28 • NetBSD (by El Chupacabra on 2011-01-03 22:14:32 GMT from United Kingdom)
I even noticed NetBSD is used in my new Sony DBP-S570 bluray player (with internet TV and 3D) .. I noticed flicking through the leaflets that came with it. It also contains Java for some reason ...
Regarding the comment above about BSD and the allegations of US government sponsoring (bribe?) weaker code in the network VPN subsystems .. the allegation, and that's all it is at the moment, is only for OpenBSD not NetBSD.
29 • Would this still be true? (by Anonymous on 2011-01-04 00:56:13 GMT from United States)
http://www.eetimes.com/design/embedded/4027542/Linux-and-Security-Mission-Impossible?
30 • Re: 28 (by hob4bit on 2011-01-04 00:58:01 GMT from China)
Java is required on Bluray players for Digital Restriction Management
31 • Security (by Anonymous on 2011-01-04 02:09:03 GMT from United States)
Arguments about the relative security of Linux and other OSes gains little.
It is the integrity of the individual system that is the primary determining factor. Even among the DWW readers there is a wide variety of capabilities, and a huge disagreement about what is reasonable.
Some say it is reasonable to surf the web as root.
Some say it is reasonable to not provide Firefox updates in the secure repository. Some rely upon community repositories that bear the warning, "use at your own risk!". And some don't even care whether browser security updates are provided in any convenient fashion.
Some significant percentage of Linux users (10%?) - certainly users of some distros in the DW top 20 - are unreasonably vulnerable. Arguing about relative safety of these distros/users versus Windows is like debating the merits of the rhythm method versus withdrawal.
32 • Page ranks (by Jack on 2011-01-04 02:14:33 GMT from Canada)
Lol, Debian's stability is even evident among the page rank hits!
There is no such thing as software ... software is merely the current state of the hardware.
There is no such thing as hardware ... hardware is merely the current state of matter.
There is no such thing as matter ... matter is merely the current state of the universe.
There is no such thing as the universe ... the universe is merely the current state of ?
33 • Re: all the distros I ever ran and whether I liked it or not. (by I am the watchman on 2011-01-04 02:22:23 GMT from Canada)
1. First I ran Mandrake 10 or something but didn't like it. I had Windows XP too and I didn't like it.
2. Then I ran suse 9.1 pro and liked it. (I think I ran it but I can't remember for sure, but if I did I'm sure I would have liked it)
3. Then I ran suse 9.2 and liked it.
4. Then I ran suse 9.3 and liked it.
5. Then I ran Debian 3.0 and didn't like it. Later I would realize I should have liked it.
6. Then I ran Fedora 4 and didn't like it.
7. Then I ran FreeBSD 6.1 and liked it.
8. Then I ran Slackware at the same time as FreeBSD and liked it. I was also running Suse 10.0 at this time and I liked it. That was the only time I liked 3 different operating systems on my computer at the same time.
9. Then I only ran opensuse 10.1 and I didn't like it.
10. Then I panicked and ran Ubuntu 6.06 and thought I didn't like it. I later realized that I was being protective of my favorite suse 10.0. I was just jealous that it worked faster.
11. Then I ran Kubuntu and I didn't like it.
12. Then I ran Vector and I liked it.
13. Then I ran Yoper and didn't like it.
14. Then I ran Solaris and didn't like it.
15. Then I ran dynebolic and didn't like it.
16. Then I ran Zenwalk and I liked it.
17. Then I ran Pardus and didn't like it.
18. Then I ran Fox Desktop and didn't like it.
19. Then I ran open suse 10.2 and liked it.
20. Then I ran Ubuntu 7.04 and I liked it now.
21. Then I ran Debian and liked it this time. But now I was tired of configuring my computer.
22. Then I ran Ubuntu 7.04 and liked it again.
23. Then I ran opensuse 10.3 and liked it. But Firefox opened 0.4 seconds slower than Ubuntu so I didn't like it as much.
24. Then I remembered Firefox didn't open as fast on all my suse installations so I retroactively didn't like them as much. Except for suse 9.3 which I still liked.
25. Then I remembered I ran PCLinuxOs between 19 and 20 and I liked it a little but I was still protecting opensuse in my mind.
26. Then I remembered I ran Damn Small, Puppy, Frugalware, Xandros, SymphonyOS, and some other distros and some I liked and some I didn't like, but I mostly didn't like them.
27. Then I realized I was spending way too much time on the computer so I didn't like Linux anymore.
28. Then I installed windows xp on a spare partition and I kind of liked it again.
29. Then I contracted a virus on widows xp the next day and didn't like it anymore either.
30. Then I realized I tried to run plan 9 somewhere in there, and thought I would have liked it except I couldn't get it to run.
31. Then I realized I had wondered occasionally about running Gentoo but was glad I didn't because of some off-the-wall humour site that poked fun at Gentoo users because they thought they were the coolest.
32. Then I realized that at one time or another I had thought about installing Netbsd, openbsd, dragonfly bsd, centos, sidux and a bunch of other distros and retroactively disliked myself for spending way too much time thinking about linux and bsd's.
33. Then I thought about getting rid of my computer.
34. Then I decided to just run Ubuntu because I liked it.
35. Then I stopped thinking about linux so much and started living more day to day.
36. Then I realized that I didn't want to be a geek anymore.
37. P.S. I didn't like the name Iceweasel so that's why I liked Ubuntu better than Debian. But I like Debian's logo better. A decision had to be made.
38. Debian.
39. Now I like linux again.
34 • Re: 33 (by hob4bit on 2011-01-04 03:23:29 GMT from China)
Hi, well I had a similar story. First serious installed Linux distro was Mandrake 9.2. I hated Mandrake 10.0 and moved to Knoppix and then Debian 3 and back to Knoppix. Finally I have settled with Ubuntu since 8.04.
I am now using a self customized Ubuntu 10.04 which I install in a number of machines, virtual machines and even as a portable sfs file in a USB pen.
All the stuff I dislike in Ubuntu gets removed like Mono, Ubuntu 1 and I put in the stuff Ubuntu removed like Pidgin, GIMP etc... I also use the official Firefox 4.0beta, OpenOffice, Flash Player etc... My Firefox auto-updates from Mozilla website automatically. My USB sfs file is about 1.1GB when fully configured with all software I need.
There is no perfect distro that works best for everybody out of the box. Take a good long term support base like Ubuntu 10.04 and make your own mods is best. I am not in favour of rolling releases and have given up on the non LTS releases of Ubuntu.
At work we use CentOS 5.5, SLES and RHEL. OpenSuSE gives us lots of problems and we do not support Fedora for our software.
35 • gtkpod/X-moto (by Tuan on 2011-01-04 03:24:32 GMT from Brazil)
The link to Gtkpod homepage has an extra "h" at the beginning.
I recommend X-Moto for the next donation.
36 • NetBSD (by Mike on 2011-01-04 05:08:58 GMT from United States)
I just wanted to say thank you for taking time to review NetBSD. It is too bad that some troubles prevented a more in-depth review but it was still interesting, especially the interview. Anyway it is articles like this that keep me coming back each week. I am a little unhappy with most of the linux distros out there so I think it's time to try out NetBSD on an old laptop.
37 • DWW (by win2linconvert on 2011-01-04 06:21:56 GMT from United States)
Well as usual, a very interesting issue of DWW and a very contentious comments section after. I love this site! Err... I really enjoy this site. I don't even understand half of what some of you are saying and I still enjoy each edition of DWW and especially the comments. Especially #33. I can't believe I sat here and read the whole thing. What..? I don't have a problem...
P.S. The submit a comment section doesn't show up in Opera 11. Anybody got any idea why? I gotta get this fixed. It's my favorite browser.
Thanks
win2linconvert
38 • RE: 17/22 - 20 (by Landor on 2011-01-04 07:43:56 GMT from Canada)
#17/22
(disclaimer: I am in no way defending MS or Windows..lol)
I don't think it's actually fair to say his comment was too broad to be accurate, to only make some statements yourself that don't really explain much, or can't truly be backed up. First saying Windows has more issues than Linux isn't very accurate. It is yes, but isn't as well. What issues? Where? How?
Then there's the statement about so many eyes on the code. That in theory is a good statement but can you prove there are more people physically looking at specific pieces of code in Linux that found bugs than there are for Windows? While everyone is able to look at the code it doesn't mean that everyone does, and it doesn't mean that all that do look at it understands it. So, it's not very accurate. It's true in theory, but not accurate at all unless you can say X-amount vs X-amount with firsthand evidence.
I think we need to be a lot more clear with things now when it comes to using the term Linux. I've made an effort to change how I use it now because the term has become quite clouded. Android is a perfect example. How many people talk about massive amounts of people having Linux in their hands (because of their phones) and not knowing it? In our view of Linux they don't have Linux in their hand they just have the kernel buried under a pile of crap, a lot of which is proprietary from the various companies. That sure isn't Linux. Things get further skewed when you look at Debian's GNU/kFreeBSD. How many people would absently call it Linux in our community? I'm betting the majority, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Linux. But because it's Debian most people would just say, "I'm running Debian kFreeBSD Linux", and be totally wrong.
A better way to describe things from now on would be to say an open source operating system using the Linux kernel. It's changed too much otherwise.
#20
While 4000 packages is a lot, it's also not that much. You have to factor in other desktops, multimedia applications, various office software, etc. While a base install could easily be a few 100 packages or less, a full dvd install could be well over a 1000, possibly 1000's, I haven't checked. To the point though, RHEL is supporting pretty close to a full OS install with a big chunk of those packages. It might not be 4000, it's still a lot. Without numbers though, you can't say it's a lot more than Windows. I'm stating this because you can't tell a person they're wrong without having the numbers to be able to specifically say X vs X as I said further above.
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A side note, I finally picked up my new router/server and flashed it with TomatoUSB today. I blogged about it here: http://landorsplace.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/tomatousb-asus-rt-n16/
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
39 • package size (by Tom on 2011-01-04 08:16:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
I think number of packages can be misleading as a useful factor to judge an OS on.
Would it be worse to run 3 programs that are broken down into separate modules / packages with only 1 instance of any shared libraries / processes open in ram or would it be better to have ram clogged up with multiple instances of extremely similar stuff?
With 3 programs sharing 1 library only 1 version of that library needs to get updated for all 3 programs to feel the benefits. If each program had it's own version of that library and there was a security issue then getting all 3 patched would triplicate the workload.
I did once know a programmer that refused to work with objects and procedures. He even rejected loops preferring to just write everything out multiple times. His code did run VERY fast but there are disadvantages to that approach!
Regards from Tom :)
40 • Re #33 (by phap on 2011-01-04 08:33:28 GMT from Switzerland)
You made me laugh really loud thank you!
41 • #32 Answer? (by zygmunt on 2011-01-04 08:46:14 GMT from United Kingdom)
Energy distribution.
42 • gtkpod (by a on 2011-01-04 09:16:40 GMT from Philippines)
invalid link for gtkpod- should be http://www.gtkpod.org and not hhttp://www.gtkpod.org
43 • @41 & @32 (by jake on 2011-01-04 10:29:13 GMT from United States)
41: Or lack thereof ... Entropy isn't just a good idea, it's the law!
32: Methinks you get it :-)
44 • Re #33 (by John on 2011-01-04 11:07:56 GMT from United Kingdom)
Brilliant!
45 • #17 (by :wq! on 2011-01-04 12:25:51 GMT from United States)
I'm no fan of Microsoft wares, but Charlie Miller might disagree with the statement that Mac is more secure than Windows. To the extent that Mac makes usage share gains, it becomes a more attractive target, and its security will increasingly be tested. Furthermore, Apple has chosen not utilize communities like the defunct OpenDarwin project in its ongoing developmental efforts.
46 • MoonOS (by Guy on 2011-01-04 12:30:59 GMT from United States)
Tried MoonOS. Looks great and very intuitive. This and Oz Unity are my favorites.
47 • @20 & @37 (by megadriver on 2011-01-04 12:48:07 GMT from Spain)
@20 As far as I know, Arch doesn't "advertise" itself in the browser's user agent by default, like many other distros do.
@37 Just have Opera identify itself as Firefox and it will show up. This was posted from Opera 11.
48 • Stats (by Eric Mesa on 2011-01-04 17:18:56 GMT from United States)
I think its' funny that most of the visitors are from Windows, but I understand why. Most people are either trying to figure out which Linux distro to use or are browsing at work.
But why in the world are there hits coming in from Windows 3.x and Windows 95?
49 • The answer.. (by Jack on 2011-01-04 17:30:43 GMT from Canada)
There is no such thing as the universe ... the universe is merely the current state of...Jake.
Or me or you or whoever. The universe wouldn't exist without you to make it exist...or would it?
Now that you're brain is fried, on to something Linux related :-)
I powered on my PC yesterday, only to be greeted by countless messages from libata ending in "status: {DRDY ERR}" and "error {UNC}" and dropping me to the maintenance prompt. It's extremely dry this time of year with winter and all, so I thought it might be static-related. A reboot didn't help, so I gave it the root password and took the suggestion that I should run fsck. As luck would have it, fsck was fscked, spewing out the same plethora of libata messages. Long story short, I downloaded a debian-live usb image and ran fsck from there. Everything seemed ok, no apparent data loss, rebooted, everything worked again. Powered off PC last night, rebooted this morning, same load of messages. The drive is a 2 year old 30GB SSD. Performance wise it's still faster than any platter based drive I've used, and I'm hoping it has a 2 year warranty. Time to go dig out the receipt.
50 • @48 (by Josh on 2011-01-04 19:06:52 GMT from United States)
Win 3.x and 95, I'm sure there are still users there. A relative of mine ran 98 up until about a year or 2 ago when they bought a new computer. Some people just don't think they need to upgrade since their computers work fine. And, running such old computers, its impossible to upgrade unless you buy a new one.
51 • @10 (by Jeff on 2011-01-04 22:35:48 GMT from United States)
rTorrent and libTorrent appear to be abandoned; the link to the Debian maintainer is dead and the new cutting edge package for Ubuntu is for Dapper Drake.
52 • btw (by fernbap on 2011-01-04 23:46:40 GMT from Portugal)
There is no such thing as people.
People are just the current state of organic compounds.
53 • RED Flag Warning (by RollMeAway on 2011-01-05 03:45:27 GMT from United States)
"The fact that Microsoft was leading the takeover of Novell’s patents was itself alarming to the open source community, but when it was revealed that Microsoft had recruited Oracle, Apple, and EMC to be co-owners of the patents, ...
"When have Microsoft, Oracle, EMC, and Apple found reason to work together previously? Why would this particular set of corporate giants be willing to go in together on this set of patents?"
http://ostatic.com/blog/osi-calls-for-scrutiny-of-cptns-patents-in-novell-deal
This could be devastating for linux distros.
54 • @51 rtorrent alive and well (by RollMeAway on 2011-01-05 05:06:33 GMT from United States)
Last release:
http://rakshasa.no/pipermail/libtorrent-devel/2010-October/002539.html
Project page:
http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/
Once a project does what the author(s) intend it to do,
there is no need to "develop" it on a daily basis.
Unison and Grub 0.97 come to mind.
55 • Ubuntu release schedules (by Vishnu Rao on 2011-01-05 05:14:15 GMT from United States)
Just wanted to point out that the Ubuntu development release dates are listed wrong.
You have listed:
2011-01-27: Ubuntu 10.04.2
The release schedule lists as:
February 17th -->Ubuntu 10.04.2
Similarly Ubuntu 11.04 Beta
2011-04-21: Ubuntu 11.04 Beta
Actual: 2011-03-31
2011-04-21 is the Ubuntu 11.04 RC.
As always reading distrowatch weekly is something that I look forward to every week.Gives me at least one reason to look forward to a Monday.
56 • Linux Deepin 10.12 (by Linux2u on 2011-01-05 08:49:47 GMT from India)
Linux Deepin 10.12 looks awesome, great visual work I have seen ever
57 • Re: 49 & 52 (by jake on 2011-01-05 14:43:34 GMT from United States)
49: There is no Jake, just a jake. And I'm jake with that.
52: The sense of "self" transcends mere organic compounds ... Its kinda what makes us human. And if you squint at that thought sideways, it's why we shouldn't get over-emotional over computers and the code that makes 'em work. But that comment is probably too deep for this forum ...
58 • @54 (by Jeff on 2011-01-06 00:33:14 GMT from United States)
When a website has not been updated in five years, has dead links and is visibly outdated it looks abandoned.
59 • #58 (by anticapitalista on 2011-01-06 00:42:14 GMT from Greece)
How do you know that the site has not been updated in 5 years?
60 • #58 (by anticapitalista on 2011-01-06 00:43:13 GMT from Greece)
http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/timeline
61 • #60 (by anticapitalista on 2011-01-06 00:44:30 GMT from Greece)
Sorry, I hit the enter by mistake. There should have been a ? to post 60
62 • RE: 60 (by Landor on 2011-01-06 01:28:19 GMT from Canada)
That's not a good example Anti. If you look at the tickets, a lot of the latest ones are spam. Since they've even been left there, that doesn't say a whole lot for the project. I only looked quickly, but I'm guessing it's either extremely inactive, or as people have said it's not worked on now.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
63 • @59 - 62 (by Womprat on 2011-01-06 12:31:13 GMT from Canada)
And when I'm illegally downloading movies, I very rarely see libtorrent clients. Maybe libtorrent users are not lawbreakers?
64 • I really like DW because........? (by sudonym on 2011-01-06 14:30:05 GMT from United Kingdom)
#57
'But that comment is probably too deep for this forum ...'
Well, that and other similar comments from you makes me question your motive for your involvement here. You certainly seem to begrudge the fact that someone may have a depth of knowledge/insight to rival yours.
You may give the impression of being frustrated when people appear to not "get it". Actually, I think it suits you just fine because it allows you to shake your head at how little they (therefore, how much I) know or are capable of comprehending (therefore, I am a bit special).
You see, even Landor is willing to offer help, whereas you seem only concerned with highlighting the extent of your knowledge, consequently at the expense of others.
Perhaps I am totally clueless, but I think it is fairly safe to assume that you are unlikely to be a contender for the all-time distro-hopper title - you've made it quite plain that slackware is the one for you. Nothing wrong with that, but why do you bother with Distrowatch at all? Okay, you may like to keep an eye on things but surely you are not limited to Distrowatch for that purpose. Besides, them pesky (DW forum) kids don't seem t'know a whole bunch. [1]
After suinting sideways at that for not very long at all, I'm a-thunkin' some durn varmint's aimin' t'hoodwink us all y'aall on account we ain't right grow'd up enough t'stand how dumb we all jim-bob in particular are - ain't thems the facts.........look out fer that 12 guage pump-action brain he's a-packin'
[1] Hang on......... p'raps I can appear more brightly by making them appear more dimly?
65 • re my previous (64) post (by sudonym on 2011-01-06 14:35:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
'After suinting sideways' obviously should read: squinting.
See, not as clever as I thought I was!
66 • @64 (by jacK on 2011-01-06 16:30:18 GMT from Canada)
Some people like to talk and be heard (Skypiness) and other people like to talk and be listened to (Skyp3nis).
67 • Re: #9 Backdoor (by Victor on 2011-01-06 17:28:55 GMT from United States)
'Do backdoors exist in most/many major OSes?'
Possibly they do, or can, but even more disturbing is:
Do backdoors exist in the processors?
We have probably all seen 'Intel Inside", could there be "Backdoor Inside"?
68 • @59 (by Jeff on 2011-01-06 23:45:39 GMT from United States)
When the newest version of Ubuntu mentioned is 6.06 and the current version is 10.10 and there are two releases a year what other conclusion can we reach ?
69 • Re: 64 (by jake on 2011-01-07 02:20:15 GMT from United States)
Re-read mine. I wasn't commenting on the readers, most of whom I enjoy reading. Rather, I was commenting on the forum. Think of it a gentle attempt at returning the subject matter back to Linux & FOSS in general. As for the rest of yours ... project much?
70 • Two libtorrents, maybe more? (by RollMeAway on 2011-01-07 02:41:46 GMT from United States)
@68 give a link to the page you are looking at please.
There appears to be AT LEAST two different libtorrent projects.
The one I mentioned above, last released 2010-10: (rtorrent, libtorrent)
http://rakshasa.no/pipermail/libtorrent-devel/2010-October/002539.html
This one: last release 2010-03 (libtorrent-rasterbar)
http://www.rasterbar.com/products/libtorrent/index.html
and perhaps the one you are looking at?
Confusion sets in, I don't think we are on the same page!
71 • @70 (by Jeff on 2011-01-07 03:48:26 GMT from United States)
http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/
Where it says packages about 2/3 of the way down, Ubuntu Dapper is 6.06
and the link to the Debian maintainer is dead.
I have seen more than one dead project linger in limbo on trac
72 • @71 rtorrent libtorrent debian (by RollMeAway on 2011-01-07 06:16:26 GMT from United States)
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rtorrent
and
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libtorrent11
show that debian is actively using these packages.
The 2010-10 release can be found in debian experimental.
Obviously nobody has updated the links you refer to, for a long time.
I could not find who the debian maintainer is, perhaps the dev could not either?
I use rtorrent often. It allows me to start a torrent via ssh remotely when
I have no GUI available.
Enough on this topic!
Carry on.
73 • @20 @47 (by Misfit138 on 2011-01-08 18:42:41 GMT from United States)
As @47 correctly indicated, Arch Linux is not identified by a browser's user agent by default. Therefore, most, if not all, Arch users would fall under 'GNU Linux (Unknown or unspecified distribution)' which accounts for about 17% of the OSes.
74 • Linux Distributions (by RollMeAway on 2011-01-08 20:22:01 GMT from United States)
Here is an attempt to re-spark some discussions about distributions:
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/the-best-linux-distros-you-ve-never-heard-of-919411?artc_pg=1
Six pages of quick overviews for quite a few Linux Distributions.
There may be some new to you?
75 • RE: 74 (by Landor on 2011-01-08 22:05:33 GMT from Canada)
They need a different title for that article. I only noticed one that wasn't a well known distribution at one time or another.
It's one reason why I'm reading any Linux news or articles less and less. They're either full of opinion being passed off as news, or they're not really accurate/newsworthy in other ways. That's only to me though, I'm sure others find them informative, or enjoyable to read.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
76 • Linux Distributions (by Bangerhard on 2011-01-09 04:54:09 GMT from United States)
I usually find them informative, or enjoyable to read.
77 • variation of #74 (by Anonymous on 2011-01-09 14:24:41 GMT from Canada)
Perhaps someone could post a list of OS that do not use Mono.
If you do a search on google "apps using mono" you seem to get a lot of posts relating Android to mono
In a similar vein an article establishing (if possible) whether the so-called "drm": of Intel's "sandy bridge" cpu really has the ability to allow Intel to cut one off at the knees.
To show my complete ignorance of computers : can a "super computer" operating at a gazillion mhz be used to analyse (in a reasonable length of time) an ordinary linux OS to see if there are any "backdoors" or other gems like drm?
Thanks
78 • familiarity (by Tom on 2011-01-10 13:44:17 GMT from United Kingdom)
Landor, i agree. There were a number of distros that seemed new at first glance just because i have never tried them or only briefly or donkey's years ago but after a few seconds reflection realised that they are all here in DW aren't they?
SliTaz has saved my butt a number of times as Wolvix used to do. Yoper & Crux took me a moment to recognise but didn't Crux do a new release in the last couple of weeks?
Sys was the only one i had never heard of but most of them are really famous
Regards from Tom :)
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