| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 298, 13 April 2009
Welcome to this year's 15th issue of DistroWatch Weekly! Recently the latest version of perhaps the world's most friendly BSD distribution was released. PC-BSD 7.1 is based off FreeBSD and we take a first look at this interesting operating system. In the news, Novell's openSUSE Build Service, recently added to the Linux Foundation's Developer Network, gains support for the ARM processor, Moblin sets its sight on a 2-second boot, Fedora re-issues 64-bit images of its recent beta release of version 11, FreeBSD hits 20,000 packages in its ports directory, Debian announces the final results of the project leader elections, and Kubuntu releases a KDE 3 remix of its 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope beta. Finally, don't miss the first episode of "Ubunchu!" the world's first open source manga featuring Ubuntu Linux. Happy reading!
- Review: First look at PC-BSD 7.1
- News: Linux Foundation to include openSUSE Build Service, Moblin aims for 2-second boot, Fedora 11 64-bit beta re-issued, FreeBSD hits 20,000 ports, new Debian leader announced, Kubuntu prepares KDE 3 images, Ubunchu! manga
- Released last week: Linux Mint 6 "Fluxbox" and "KDE", PC-BSD 7.1
- Upcoming releases: Parsix GNU/Linux 3.0, Ubuntu 9.04 RC
- New additions: Baltix GNU/Linux, Canaima GNU/Linux, Toorox
- New distributions: TurnKey Linux, ayuOS
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First look at PC-BSD 7.1
It's fair to say that while I'm a free software guy, I'm not a BSD guy. Like many, I've done the odd install here or there, used a BSD-based appliance for one task or another, but it's never been on my mind when it comes to the desktop. There are a few reasons for this, primarily it's because I've been using Linux for so long and it does everything I need. I also do much of my work via the command line and am comfortable with the way Linux lays things out and am used to the GNU utilities that Linux distros provide. I've also often thought of BSD as playing catch-up (rightly or wrongly) and also for other pragmatic reasons like having to deal with different partitions layouts and dual booting hassles. In the past, I have even loaded the installer and then given up when it got to partitioning. Strange for a person like me, but I just never had the motivation to pursue it further. Still, I saw this new release of PC-BSD 7.1 "Galileo" and, having read somewhere that this was to BSD what Ubuntu was to Linux (I assume they mean "things working out of the box" and "ease of use"), I thought I'd give it a try. As I said, I'm not an expert in this area, so be nice. Here goes.
PC-BSD has been around for over three years now and is based on FreeBSD. Its goal is to provide an easy-to-install-and-use desktop-focused operating system: "PC-BSD is a free operating system with ease of use in mind. Like any modern system, you can listen to your favorite music, watch your movies, work with office documents and install your favorite applications with a setup wizard at a click." FreeBSD is a free and open source UNIX variant which includes both the kernel and user land, while Linux is a kernel with the GNU user land. While they are both based on UNIX and POSIX standards, they are quite different internally. On the outside, however, Galileo includes the latest version of KDE 4.2.2 and X.Org 7.4. It also uses the same free software as many Linux distributions and, as such, will look and behave similarly.
First, I thought I would install PC-BSD 7.1 under a trusty VirtualBox instance, so I kicked it up and booted the ISO image. The initial boot screen presented me with several options, including an option to enable ZFS - the open source (but GPL-incompatible) file system from Sun Microsystems. The BSD license permits the mixing of proprietary and open source software, regardless of the license, which means ZFS can be included (although it is considered experimental). The menu warns that 1 GB of memory is the minimum requirement for ZFS; however, the installer later suggests a 64-bit CPU and 4 GB of RAM. ZFS is quite resource intensive due to several important functions it performs, such as software RAID (if configured) and checksums on all data to avoid corruption. Unfortunately, the VirtualBox image just didn't have enough grunt and so I switched back to the default, UFS2+ file system, which worked fine. After a successful install under VirtualBox, I then decided to try it on real hardware and see how it performed. I burned the 64-bit image and booted it on an Intel 3 GHz Core2 machine with 8 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT video card and 300 GB SATA drive.
PC-BSD - ZFS memory warning
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The installer loads and I was pleased to see that it has a built-in image verification step, which ensures that the installer is not corrupt. It does add to the boot time, but if you're quick enough, you can skip it. Once the image is ready, it configures the X server and loads the graphical installer, which I confess looks quite nice (if I'm not mistaken, it appears to be using Qt 4). The install process is quite straightforward, and very simple. It does not really have documentation or help, but does have some Quick Tips to help when needed. First, the installer allows the user to select a language from a selection of 44, choose a keyboard layout and model, then set the time zone. On the initial screen, there is also a checkbox on whether to submit anonymous statistics to BSDstats.org. Because BSD can ship proprietary software, there are three licenses that all users must agree to. First is the PC-BSD license itself, which basically states that the operating system comes with no warranty. Then there is the Intel license for firmware and the NVIDIA driver license, both of which set restrictions on what the user can and can't do. While Linux distributions are moving away from EULAs altogether, it's a pity PC-BSD can't follow the same route. The inclusion of non-free software obviously prevents it from doing so.
PC-BSD - installer initial screen
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Next, the user must select the kind of install and method. There are three options to set, each with two possibilities. I chose a Fresh install as it was a new system, chose the Desktop Edition over the server offering, and finally selected to Install from CD/DVD/USB instead of the network as I had downloaded the DVD.
PC-BSD - installer type of install
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The next screen was where I set the root password and created my local user. I turned off Auto-Login User as I prefer to manually log in myself. The default shell on offer was csh but I was able to select bash from the drop down. From here I proceeded to the partitioner, which listed my hard drive and partitions and asked what file system I wanted to use. I told it to automatically partition using the entire disk and I enabled ZFS, which it then warned would require a 64-bit processor and 4 GB RAM. By default, it created a 200 MB /boot partition using the UFS2 file system, 512 MB swap space and used the remaining 280 GB for / using ZFS. Editing these partitions was trivial, with the options to resize using a slider and to add and remove each partition. Unfortunately I could see no way to select or change a file system.
PC-BSD - installer partitioner
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Finally, I had to select what components I wanted the installer to include. This was a simple menu presenting software such as Amarok, GIMP, K3b, Firefox, OpenOffice.org and VLC, all of which I added. There were others which I left out, but I did included the Ports Tree as I knew that this was what would let me install more programs at a later stage. After making my package selection, I simply clicked to continue to proceed with the installation.
Overall, I was quite impressed with the installer. The process is very simple and doesn't need to be complex as it already provides everything required to perform an install. Really there are just five steps to installing the system. I did try to install PC-BSD on an AMD Athlon 2600+ system, but the installer wouldn't complete the boot process, getting stuck and presenting the error, "acd0: FAILURE - INQUIRY ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x24 ascq=0x00". I assumed this had something to do with the image and thought it might have been a bad burn. The same error appears on the 64-bit version however, which then continues to load correctly. I'm assuming the system may not be compatible?
PC-BSD - performing the install
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Using the system
The first thing you notice when booting PC-BSD is the complete lack of a fancy boot screen, similar to a console-only Linux boot process. Later on I did find an option to enable the splash screen which I did, but it didn't seem to change anything on a reboot. The first time the system boots, it will configure the X server and present the logon screen. It successfully detected my graphics card and suggested the nv driver, but only at a resolution of 1024x768. I was able to increase the resolution successfully, but I was surprised that the NVIDIA driver was not included by default. The latest version of KDE really is very good. It's pleasing to the eye, very pleasant to use and quite responsive. KDE 4 has certainly come a long way since the 4.0 release! The PC-BSD implementation appears to be quite vanilla, although the splash loading screen and the K-menu do use some custom icons. The desktop wallpaper is the default and apart from the shortcuts in the desktop widget to the PC-BSD web site, you wouldn't know you were using BSD! The distro includes a full range of software applications, including all the expected KDE pieces. I could not find a single, central PC-BSD-specific control panel, but the KDE Control Centre appears to provide most of the functionality users would need. I was able to perform tasks like enabling my Australian locale and British English dictionary without hassle. Overall, the system felt quite complete and the only issue I had was Akonadi crashing on first log in.
PC-BSD - default KDE 4.2.2 desktop
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The documentation team has done a great job at compiling a decent amount of information for PC-BSD. The desktop widget has a link to the Quick Guide, which goes into a lot of detail about the distro and how to use it. I went searching here for some information on how to get the NVIDIA driver working for my video card, but all that's mentioned is that it's included by default. On a Linux system I would know how to fix this in no time at all, but under BSD I've no idea. Because the kernel doesn't work that way, there are no module commands to check what's loaded, nothing to force loading, no modules directory, I can't seem to find whether it's already installed and I've no idea how to install it. I had hoped it would be included by default (after all I did agree to the license!), but the graphical configuration tool for X.Org just doesn't list the module. Interestingly, the 32-bit install under VirtualBox does list the NVIDIA driver as an option. Maybe it's a 64-bit thing? Of course all this is probably just my lack of familiarity with the system and the BSD way of doing things. So I can't really blame the distro for my own lack of understanding. This does, however, bring me to some other frustrations I had. Things which I'm used to under Linux just don't exist, like various information under /proc and the /sys interface.
It appears that there are three different types of packages you can use on PC-BSD. Push Button Installers, ports, and their package manager toolkit, pkg. The package manager let you do things like install and remove packages and although I'm no expert, it would be a stretch to compare it to something as powerful as APT for Debian. As far as I can tell, there is no way to search for packages except from the FreeBSD ports web site. Then, once you know the name, you can install something like so, pkg_add -r vim. It's not lightning fast but it does work, with the package being installed to /PCBSD/local/bin/vim. The good news is that most of the tools I need for every day are all included in the ports, so it's not too hard to get a system with all the software you need.
Rather than focusing on the ports system from FreeBSD to install and remove software (although it is still available), PC-BSD instead uses what they call Push Button Installer (PBI) files. Unlike Linux, where applications link to external libraries, a PBI is installed into its own directory (under /Programs/) and includes all the libraries and dependencies it requires. This way, a package should never break due to library upgrades as it only ever points to its own. This is similar to how applications for Windows and OS X work, and means installing a program in PC-BSD should be as simple as installing on those other platforms, once you have the file. PC-BSD has a web site dedicated to PBI files, where users can search for and download programs that they want. I'm not convinced myself, but it is an interesting concept and one of the main features that sets this distro apart from others.
PC-BSD - the package updater
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I've a little bit of experience with Arch and Gentoo Linux which have ports-based package management systems, so I wanted to try the ports system and see how it worked. I consulted the documentation, which said to browse to "Settings > Administration > PC-BSD System", put in the root password, click the "Tasks" tab and select "Fetch Ports". This section must not have been updated to suit KDE 4 as none of those menus exist. I did, however, find it under "Launcher > Computer > System Settings > System Manager". This downloaded a snapshot of the ports tree which was installed to /usr/ports/. Once this was done, it was simply a matter of browsing to the package I wanted and running "make install clean". I tried this with the sysutils/htop package, which automatically pulled in some dependencies, but then failed to compile due to it missing the m4 package. Installing this using pkg and re-running the build command worked correctly. Success! Similarly, the command make deinstall removes the program from the system. It is not as automated or powerful as Gentoo's Portage, but it is simple and effective. With FreeBSD's ports including over 20,000 packages, you're sure to find whatever it is you want!
The system has a graphical update tool which showed three available bug fixes, as well as newer versions of Amarok, Firefox, GIMP and OpenOffice.org (which was an upgrade from version 2.4 to 3.0.1!). It appears to be a two-step process, presumably as the applications are part of the internal pkg system, whereas the others are PBI installs. I selected all the updates and it proceeded to download and install the system updates and programs without any hassles (pending a reboot).
Using the system, I noticed that sometimes it was not very quick to respond and paused from time to time, usually when performing multiple tasks. For example, when downloading the updates (which were only going at 100 kB/s) it took a long time for Firefox itself to open and then it failed to load any page I went to. Hitting refresh a few times eventually solved the problem (I could still ping, though). I wonder whether it's something to do with network package prioritisation. Clicking on the close button sometimes took up to 5 seconds to respond, as did things like switching between menus in the launcher and tabs in Konsole. Once I had htop installed, I noticed that clicking and dragging a window around would use up to 85% of my CPU, which was caused mostly by X.Org. I also noticed that two processes of kded4 were constantly using lots of resources. In general htop would constantly jump around the place with mostly kernel usage, even when the computer was sitting idle which I found rather strange. Perhaps it's something to do with ZFS.
PC-BSD - htop showing processes
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Overall this install of PC-BSD was a very pleasant experience, and much more advanced that I thought it would be. For me though, because I'm so used to the Linux way of doing things, I feel like I'm a little crippled on BSD, like on OS X. That's not to say that I couldn't learn how BSD works, but it would mean investing time in doing so. I can't really find any compelling reason to switch, except perhaps if I wanted to expand my skill set. For others however, I think that BSD (and PC-BSD in particular) would make a fine choice, especially if you like the idea of PBI installs. Overall, it's fair to say that I have been very impressed by PC-BSD and can see how for many it would be an excellent desktop environment. Well worth investigating further.
Linux Foundation to include openSUSE Build Service, Moblin aims for 2-second boot, Fedora 11 64-bit beta re-issued, FreeBSD hits 20,000 ports, new Debian leader announced, Kubuntu prepares KDE 3 images, Ubunchu! manga
Novell's openSUSE Build Service is a free and open source platform which allows developers to build packages for all major Linux distributions. The latest version of openSUSE was the first version built entirely using the service. In an acknowledgement of its usefulness to the wider Linux community, the Linux Foundation has announced that it will be adding the service to the Linux Developer Network (LDN). Amanda McPherson, from the Linux Foundation: This is part of our ongoing mission to provide not only information, but real tools for Linux developers to empower them and make deploying applications on multiple Linux distributions as painless as possible.. The article continues: "The Linux Foundation will be providing an interface to the openSUSE Build Service via the Linux Developer Network site, so that developers can create packages for all major Linux distributions via LDN. The build service enables developers to create packages for CentOS, Debian, Fedora, Mandriva, Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Ubuntu, in addition to openSUSE and SUSE Linux Enterprise." Will we see the online build service become a major player in the creation of software for Linux, as Novell hopes? Plenty of software projects are using it already and now that ARM processors are supported, it might even make a splash in the embedded and MID markets.
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While Intel has recently given up control of Moblin to the Linux Foundation, the project is expected to remain highly active in the community. At the recent Linux Collaboration Summit it was revealed that Intel has plans for a 2-second boot for the platform, which it hopes will make it attractive in the automotive industry. News of Moblin's impressive 5-second boot sent waves of excitement around the free software world and it looks to be repeated if this new target can be achieved. This faster boot time still includes loading the entire software stack, making it all the more impressive. While some distributions 'cheat' by allowing services to load in parallel, Intel's Imhad Sousou states that this approach is not a real answer, saying that "parallelised bloat is still bloat." Although Moblin is still currently using the Xfce desktop, this has always been a temporary measure while they develop their own revolutionary user interface. Moblin continues to make impressive technological leaps which has seen several distributions adopt it as the base of their own operating systems, including Ubuntu's upcoming MID edition and the recently released xPUD 0.8.9.
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With 'Leonidas' fast approaching, the Fedora community has been hard at work releasing the first beta. The new release brings some promising updates, including the latest version of KDE, Linux kernel 2.6.29 and the much anticipated kernel-based mode setting for a flicker-free boot. The release of the 64-bit beta was not as smooth as it could have been, though, with Jesse Keating having to re-issue the images: "Due to some staging issues, I've had to re-issue a few of the ISOs for Fedora 11 Beta. The F11-Beta-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso has been re-issued both in torrent and on the mirrors. This was accidentally composed with 32-bit packages instead of 64-bit packages. The source ISOs have been re-issued on torrent only. An older set were first issued there. The CHECKSUM on the mirrors was wrong as well for these ISOs and has been updated. No other changes are being made at this time." A few days later, the same developer also announced the availability of a set of "snapshot 1" images for Fedora 11, available for download via BitTorrent.
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Often silently working in the back ground, the FreeBSD project has just surpassed twenty thousand packages in its ports tree. The ports system in FreeBSD is a method for users to install applications to their system from source code: "Each 'port' listed here contains any patches necessary to make the original application source code compile and run on FreeBSD. Installing an application is as simple as downloading the port, unpacking it and typing make in the port directory. However, the most convenient (and common) method is to download the framework for the entire list of ports by installing the entire ports hierarchy at FreeBSD installation time, and then have thousands of applications right at your finger tips. Each port's Makefile automatically fetches the application source code, either from a local disk, CD-ROM or via FTP, unpacks it on your system, applies the patches, and compiles. If all went well, a simple make install will install the application and register it with the package system." For comparison, the latest stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, the largest Linux distribution, "only" contains 12,540 source packages.
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The results of the recent Debian leader elections are in, and the winner is once again Steven McIntyre. Kurt Roeckx, the Debian Project Secretary, posted the results to developers mailing list, with links to the results and tally. There is also a graph representing data and statistics about ballots received and acknowledgements sent periodically during the voting period. Although not yet updated, the elections page should soon post the result. Steve McIntyre's new term as project leader will start on April 17th, 2009. Although initially Steven said he was not interested in the position this year, later he decided that he couldn't let Stefano Zacchiroli go unchallenged for the position. It appears the Debian community has put their faith in McIntyre to once again steer the world's largest open source project towards the future. Both Etch and Lenny releases have been a success, but will the project continue on their tried and true path, or become more adventurous to complete with other distributions like Ubuntu?
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After backlash from the community when KDE 3.x was ditched for the 8.10 Intrepid Ibex release of Kubuntu in favour of the under-cooked KDE 4, the Kubuntu team has made a KDE 3 beta remix version for the upcoming Jaunty release. The web site reads: "A semi-official remix of Jaunty Jackalope has been created with only KDE 3.5 installed, for the convenience of users who are not quite ready to take the jump to KDE 4.x. The main focus of this remix is to keep the mature, stable, and familiar KDE 3.5 desktop environment available for easy installation and use. Along the way, various bugs have been fixed, and small enhancements added." While other distributions have dropped KDE 3 completely and with version 4.2.2 so well received, is Kubuntu taking a step backwards or just playing it safe? It's worth noting that the official Kubuntu release will continue to use KDE 4.
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Finally, even if you are a fan of both Japanese manga and the world's most popular desktop Linux distribution, merging the two might never have crossed your mind. But it has for Hiroshi Seo, the author of the new free and open source manga, called Ubunchu!. The first chapter was released in Japanese on the 4th April, but now there is an English translation available: "Ubunchu! is a Japanese manga series featuring Ubuntu Linux. Three school students in a system administration club are getting into Ubuntu!" Where will this adventure go? Only time will tell! It's great to see free software users putting their skills to good use. Have you read the first chapter? Let us know what you think!
|Released Last Week
Clonezilla Live 1.2.1-53
Steven Shiau has released a new stable version of Clonezilla Live, a Debian-based live CD designed to clone hard disks and hard disk partitions: "Clonezilla Live 1.2.1-53 (stable) released. This is a bug-fix release with a few improvements. Changes: based on Debian 'Lenny' repository on 2009-04-06; language files were updated; merged the revised language file en_US; options -j2 and -j3 were merged to be a single parameter -j2; now '-g auto' option will run grub-install only when the GRUB configuration partition is on the restored partitions list; ocs-live-dev will use tar instead of zip when recovery file is larger than 2 GB; the prompt to use space key to mark the selection was added to checklist dialog; live-initramfs was patched to work on network booting with 2 or more NICs in the client...." Read the complete release announcement for a more detailed list of updates and bug fixes.
Linux Mint 6 "Fluxbox"
Clement Lefebvre has announced the release of Linux Mint 6 "Fluxbox" edition, a lightweight variant of the popular Ubuntu-based distribution: "The team is proud to announce the release of Linux Mint 6 Fluxbox Community edition. Linux Mint Fluxbox Community edition is based on Xubuntu 8.10 'Intrepid Ibex', Linux kernel 2.6.27, Fluxbox 1.0.0 and X.Org 7.4. Included is an all-new menu system, Mint-FM2, Slim as a display manager, live CD features that should make it easier to install on low-end machines, a brand new software manager, FTP support in mintUpload, proxy support and history of updates in mintUpdate, mint4win (a Linux Mint installer for Microsoft Windows), and much more minty goodness." Read the rest of the release announcement and release notes for further details.
Linux Mint 6 "KDE"
Clement Lefebvre has announced the release of Linux Mint 6 "KDE" edition: "On behalf of the team I am thrilled to announce the release of Linux Mint 6 KDE. Based on Kubuntu 8.10 'Intrepid Ibex', Linux kernel 2.6.27, KDE 4.2.0 and X.Org 7.4, Linux Mint 6 'Felicia' KDE Community edition comes with a brand new software manager, FTP support in mintUpload, proxy support and history of updates in mintUpdate, mint4win (a Linux Mint installer for Microsoft Windows), and a lot of other improvements. Linux Mint now uses its own LSB information and no longer identifies itself to applications as Ubuntu. This can potentially break compatibility with some third-party tools. Meta packages were introduced within the repositories to reflect the default selection of packages for the various Linux Mint editions. The artwork now also comes as a package." See the release announcement and release notes for more details.
Tomáš Matějíček has released Slax 6.1.0, a Slackware-based desktop live CD featuring the latest KDE 3.5 desktop. From the changelog: "This should be the last Slax 6.x, no more new features will be added to Slax 6.x, only bug fixes. Changes: added fake XDM to 002-xorg, so it will start Fluxbox if KDE is not present - this is mainly useful if you use 'build slax' and you only include Slax Core and Slax X.Org; upgraded to Slackware 'current' as of the latest changes before KDE 4 packages were added; added new wallpaper; fixed many Fluxbox-related bugs in order to make 'Slax X.Org' partly independent; now you can see (even in Fluxbox) accurate (preferred) screen resolution and it plays a start-up sound too."
Slax 6.1.0 - the last 6.x release of the popular Slackware-based live CD
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Kwort Linux 2.4.1
David Cortarello has announced the release of Kwort Linux 2.4.1 a Slackware-based distribution with a custom package manager and other system administration utilities: "I'm happy to announce that Kwort 2.4.1 final is here! This version took a year to develop and provides many changes from the 2.4 release, including a new, more cleaned-up base system, whole new tool chain, new configuration tools and lots of new things. New features: Kwort's init system has evolved keeping its simplicity but providing some new features; Linux kernel 188.8.131.52 - a lot of hardware support was included; the new version of kpkg include several new features and the adoption of multi-mirror support; Kwort user manager provides a simple way to create and remove users with a new interface; Kwort network manager allows to configure the network and manage DNS; Xfce 4.6.0...." Read the complete release announcement for additional information.
Kwort Linux 2.4.1 - a Slackware-based desktop distribution with Xfce and custom package management system
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Kris Moore has announced the release of PC-BSD 7.1, a desktop operating system based on FreeBSD 7.1: "iXsystems announced today the release of PC-BSD version 7.1. PC-BSD 7.1 is built upon the FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE operating system. It includes updated versions of KDE (4.2.2) and X.Org (7.4). The latest version of KDE includes new window effects, screen savers, and better 3D acceleration. PC-BSD 7.1 also features many improvements and bug fixes that enhance PC-BSD's general ease of use: the new KDE 4 printer applet enables users to easily add and manage printers and print jobs; the Add / Remove Programs tool and the Update Manager have been consolidated into Software & Updates; the Updater Tray has been modified into a small tray-only applet; FreeBSD ports and packages can now be created by using the runports command...." Read the press release, release notes and changelog for more details.
Untangle Gateway 6.1.0
Andrew Fife has announced the release of Untangle Gateway 6.1.0, a specialist Debian-based distribution for firewalls and gateways: "Here at Untangle we are extremely pleased to announce that version 6.1 is now available for download. The highlight of the release is our new application, Commtouch Spam Booster, but there are several other significant upgrades and enhancements as well. Commtouch Spam Booster adds extra premium filters to spam blocker, claiming the detection rates of over 98% of spam while still maintaining industry's highest accuracy rates. The Untangle Platform also got a major upgrade; the biggest change was upgrading the kernel 2.6.26 and the installer, which is overall a nicer 'Welcome to Untangle' experience for newbies installing their first box. Additional enhancements: improvements to spam blocker and web filter; bug fixes." Read the full release announcement and changelog for further details.
Epidemic GNU/Linux 3.0
Renata Heleno has announced the release of Epidemic GNU/Linux 3.0, a Brazilian desktop distribution based on Debian's testing branch and featuring KDE 4. This is a major new release with the following enhancements: introduction of KDE 4.2.1 as the default desktop; integration of KDE's system settings into Epidemic's control panel; various improvements to Easy Channel, the distribution's graphical package installation tool; improved network configuration utility, Enetwork, with support for software modems; Ependrive, a new tool that allows users to save or discard changes made during a live USB drive session; a redesigned Einstaller with new functions, such as the ability to create a live USB media or an option to keep or discard changes made during the live DVD session. Please visit the distribution's home page (in Portuguese) to read the release announcement and to view some screenshots.
Epidemic GNU/Linux 3.0 - a Brazilian desktop distribution with a number of user-friendly utilities
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Tiny Core Linux 1.3
Robert Shingledecker has announced the release of Tiny Core Linux 1.3, a minimalist desktop Linux distribution with JWM as the default window manager: "Team Tiny Core is pleased to announce the release of Tiny Core Linux 1.3. Changelog: updated BusyBox to 1.13.3; pcmciautils to 015, aterm to 1.00.01; updated appbrowser to display .info, .list, and .dep files; added optional support for UUID and LABELS; added automatic modprobing for module extensions; added 25-tc.rules (better support USB printers, scanners and DVB sticks); improved device checking for restore; improved xsetup to better support framebuffer; improved support of persistent opt when sharing with an existing /opt directory; update to tce-load on handling tcz mounts; improved handling of start-up scripts on boot and upon load; added USB 2 button mouse choice; fixed a bug when trying to run tce-load from non X CLI...." Here is the full changelog.
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Development, unannounced and minor bug-fix releases
|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
Parsix GNU/Linux 3.0
Alan Baghumian has sent out an update on the upcoming release of Parsix GNU/Linux, version 3.0: "The next major release of Parsix GNU/Linux, code name 'Kev', is planned to be release in the middle of August 2009. Kev will ship with GNOME 2.26, Linux kernel 2.6.29 and lots of new and exciting features, including USB installer, NetworkManager as the default networking interface, GFXBoot, FastBoot, TuxOnIce 3.0, etc. The initial Kev repositories will be created after Viola repository clean-up in early May 2009." For more information please read the full announcement.
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Summary of expected upcoming releases
New distributions added to database
- Baltix GNU/Linux. Baltix GNU/Linux is an Ubuntu-based distribution designed primarily for Lithuanian and Latvian speakers, as well as other users from Europe's Baltic region. Besides standard software found in an Ubuntu release, Baltix also includes a variety of educational programs, games, vector graphic and diagram drawing software, WINE integration for running Windows applications, office clipart, and internationalisation features for the supported languages.
Baltix GNU/Linux 3.8.1 - an Ubuntu-based distribution supporting Baltic languages
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- Canaima GNU/Linux. Canaima GNU/Linux is a Venezuelan desktop distribution based on Debian GNU/Linux. It is primarily designed as a solution for the computers of National Public Administration in accordance with the presidential decree number 3.390 about the use of free technologies in National Public Administration in the country.
Canaima GNU/Linux 2.0 - Venezuela switches to free software
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- Toorox. Toorox is an i686-optimised, Gentoo-based live DVD which boots into a KDE desktop using KNOPPIX hardware auto-detection and auto-configuration technologies. It is a useful tool for backing up data, browsing the Internet anonymously, or taking a first look at the capabilities of Linux. The live DVD can be installed to a hard disk with the help of a simple graphical installer.
Toorox 03.2009 - a Gentoo-based distribution with KDE 4
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New distributions added to waiting list
- TurnKey Linux. TurnKey Linux is an open source project that develops a range of highly specialised software appliances (packaged as live CDs) for a variety of purposes. TurnKey Linux is based on Ubuntu.
- ayuOS. ayuOS is an Indonesian Linux distribution based on PCLinuxOS. The project's web site is in Indonesian.
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And this concludes the latest issue of DistroWatch Weekly. The next instalment will be published on Monday, 20 April 2009.
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1 • Asrock instant boot (by Mr. Wang on 2009-04-13 10:48:57 GMT from Hong Kong) |
I am wondering, is there is any way to configure Asrock instant boot for Linux?
2 • Linux Mint 6 Fluxbox review (by Felix Pleşoianu on 2009-04-13 11:07:50 GMT from Romania)
I wrote a microreview of Linux Mint 6 Fluxbox at http://identi.ca/notice/3366701 - here it is in all its microglory:
Linux Mint 6 FluxBox: Good looks, rich control panel, good application selection, Java/Flash by default, minor nitpicks only. Thumbs up!
I really have little to add. Trying it was a blast. Kudos to the developers.
3 • PCBSD (by Baalzebub on 2009-04-13 11:46:20 GMT from United States)
according to the requirements PCBSD-7.1 requires a 10 gig disk partition in order to install, hmm, they must be trying to compete with windows vista in consuming disk space [/sarcasm]
4 • Good por PCBSD (by Daniel Mery on 2009-04-13 12:02:03 GMT from Bolivia)
Congratulations to PCBSD Team...good job
PCBSD Rocks !!!!!
5 • PC-BSD (by Béranger on 2009-04-13 12:08:58 GMT from Romania)
"Things which I'm used to under Linux just don't exist, like various information under /proc and the /sys interface."
Which means things like free(1) don't exist, because there is no such thing as /proc/meminfo.
When will BSD grow up?
6 • PC-BSD (by Tano on 2009-04-13 12:17:31 GMT from Uruguay)
Great to see a PC-BSD review! FreeBSD rocks and so does PC-BSD and its lots of tweaks. Rock solid, no dependency hell, just "make install"
By the way, there is no NVIDIA driver for 64 bit FreeBSD...
7 • Free memory under FreeBSD (by Tano on 2009-04-13 12:21:09 GMT from Uruguay)
sysctl -a|grep mem
When will Linux stop pampering users? ;)
8 • Ubunchu (by Sukarn Maini on 2009-04-13 12:22:29 GMT from India)
Manga != Anime
Anime is animation while manga is like comics.
In the introductory paragraph Ubunchu is called an anime while further down in the article it is called a manga.
9 • PCBSD - 10GB space (by greenpossum on 2009-04-13 12:26:14 GMT from Australia)
Hmm, is 10GB too much or too little for you?
You know, you can't even get anything smaller than 80GB disks new these days. As a matter of course, I allocate 20-24GB of space to / when I install my desktop distro because I use a lot of software packages.
But of course if you have lower needs, you can install much less. I have IPCop installs running on 500MB HDs. Linux is very tailorable.
10 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-13 12:40:46 GMT from United Kingdom)
This has got to be one of the best...MS don't even get a look in, LOL. Mind you there may be, ahem...unspoken reasons why the old pres made that order...
# Canaima GNU/Linux. Canaima GNU/Linux is a Venezuelan desktop distribution based on Debian GNU/Linux. It is primarily designed as a solution for the computers of National Public Administration in accordance with the presidential decree number 3.390 about the use of free technologies in National Public Administration in the country.
11 • DistroWatch Weekly (by Mr. John R. Davidson on 2009-04-13 13:12:27 GMT from United States)
Mr. Smart, this weeks weekly was very informative. It appears a lot effort went into this weeks edition. Keep up the excellent work, your hard work, time and research is greatly appreciated.
12 • No upcoming release dates? (by Rahux on 2009-04-13 13:38:12 GMT from Australia)
Hi :) Loved it as always but just wondering where the upcoming releases calendar as gone and if it is coming back..? I love that thing, being the DistroWhore that I am.
13 • Reply to @5 (by Anjum on 2009-04-13 14:08:45 GMT from United States)
Just because you can't go and spend some time reading up BSD doesn't mean it is lacking in features. I am not really against Linux and for BSD or vice versa; but sometimes Linux users tend to be quite smug and snobbish towards other unices. It's time for people like you to grow up !!
14 • Thanks (by Omari on 2009-04-13 14:18:06 GMT from United States)
A very informative piece on PC-BSD, thanks. I'm surprised you got it working in VirtualBox. I once put FreeBSD in VirtualBox, but I couldn't communicate with it because networking wouldn't work. VirtualBox supported OpenBSD, but not FreeBSD.
I agree that I'll stick with Linux, just because it's what I know and it works for me. (Lots of people stick with Windows for the same reason!)
15 • DWW (by Verndog on 2009-04-13 14:33:17 GMT from United States)
Thanks Chris. You spent more time on BSD than I did. PC-BSD was my favorite BSD install, but I too have little knowledge of it's inter workings. It does feel very solidly built.
I know even less about Japanese Anime or their comic books, even though I have a Japanese girlfriend. I'll have to run this "Ubunchu!" manga by her, and see what she thinks.
16 • Re: Nvidia drivers and *BSD (by BlueJayofEvil on 2009-04-13 14:41:34 GMT from United States)
Nvidia doesn't make drivers for 64-bit *BSD's yet. There are some issues that need to be resolved before Nvidia can port their driver to that architecture on *BSD. See here for more info: http://wiki.freebsd.org/NvidiaFeatureRequests
17 • Great Work Chris! (by Eyes-Only on 2009-04-13 14:50:18 GMT from United States)
Just wanted to echo the others Chris in that I feel you've really done a lot of great work this week in presenting PC-BSD as we, the Linux Community, would most likely see it if we took the time and did the install, setting up, etc.
I, for one, appreciate you taking the time to do this Chris because you have a very keen insight on what to look for that I would quite possibly overlook or miss completely. I've always wanted to install PC-BSD and now have your excellent example above upon which to refer back should I do so.
Once again: Thanks Chris for yet another marvelous DWW!
18 • BSD (by Brian on 2009-04-13 15:19:44 GMT from United States)
You do an amazing job with these articles Chris, they are very well-written and informative.
The funny thing is that I was just looking this weekend trying to understand the differences between Linux and BSD. A lot of what I found appeared to be correct in your review, such as the use of ports and a different way of loading the system (kernel). However, I thought that I had read BSD did NOT include proprietary software as it was against its license. Apparently I read this wrong :rolleyes:
19 • Freesbie 2.0.1 (by Notorik on 2009-04-13 16:01:37 GMT from United States)
Does anyone know what happened to the FreeBSD project Freesbie? I can't understand why it was abandoned. It was really a very useful distro. The last version is 2.0.1 from Feb. 2007. It still, amazingly looks pretty up to date. You boot up and type "startx" at the prompt. If you want to use Tor, open the terminal and su root. Then type "freesbie_tor start". It is a little slow but it works. I wouldn't recommend it for ultra privacy but it is quite nice. I really wish someone would udate this distro. There are other distros with Tor as I think someone covered a couple of weeks ago.
-Vector (apparently Tor is available in the repository)
-Wolvix 2.0.0 Beta1 (repository)
Does anyone know of any others?
20 • BSD and Linux (by Michael M. on 2009-04-13 16:08:25 GMT from United States)
I have played around with FreeBSD, DesktopBSD, and PC-BSD, though I am still a Linux user. One thing that consistently bothers me, though, is the antipathy some Linux users have to anything BSD. You can see it here, in some of the comments, though certainly not in the main review, which is well done.
In my admittedly limited experiences with various BSD flavors, I always found the user and developer communities to be helpful, polite, and most of all, confident that the choices they've made are the right ones for them without the need to make the case that their choices are superior to choices others have made. I just can't figure out why so many Linux users feel the need to attack options other than Linux. I can understand the antipathy many of us feel toward MS Windows, since many of us are or have been forced to use something we don't particularly like. But there are very few people forced to use BSD, and my impression is that the stream of attacks comes from people who are for whatever reasons insecure about the choices they've made.
There are good reasons to prefer Linux to BSD and good reasons to prefer BSD to Linux. The trick for each end-user is to decide which of those reasons is more important him or her, and explain those reasons when appropriate. BSD users, as a group, seem to understand this, though surely there are individual exceptions. IMO, too many Linux users do not.
21 • modules pcbsd (by nix on 2009-04-13 16:17:23 GMT from United States)
"On a Linux system I would know how to fix this in no time at all, but under BSD I've no idea. Because the kernel doesn't work that way, there are no module commands to check what's loaded, nothing to force loading, no modules directory, I can't seem to find whether it's already installed and I've no idea how to install it."
There are tools that exist:
Here is a nice article at onlamp that describe the BSD equivalents to Linux.
22 • BSD install (by Jesse on 2009-04-13 16:31:49 GMT from Canada)
Pretty good review of the BSD system. For what it's worth, I also found BSD to be sluggish compared to my Linux install. Stable, powerful, but a bit slowly to respond. Perhaps it was a configuration problem that I could change if I knew enough.
23 • PC-BSD (by Béranger on 2009-04-13 12:08:58 GMT from Romania) (by nix on 2009-04-13 16:48:18 GMT from United States)
Which means things like free(1) don't exist, because there is no such thing as /proc/meminfo.
When will BSD grow up?
The free(1) command is something very specific to Linux; it doesn't exist in any other Unix or Unix like operating system. By your definition: Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, IRIX, OSX, *BSD's haven't grown up yet.
With respect to memory statistics the BSD's support the standard Unix utilities:
systat, vmstat, sysctl vm.stats.vm
If you want a quick display of memory usage you can use top or use this perl script.
PS: you can also cat(1) or echo(1) the values the proc file system; if you're old school.
PSS: Keep this in mind; Windows has a command called pathping which isn't available in any *nix like OS.
When will the *nix people grow up? Sounds a tad bit silly, doesn't it.
24 • Re: 23 • PC-BSD (by Béranger on 2009-04-13 16:59:28 GMT from Romania)
Your plea is terribly fallacious. It's not about an obscure utility, it's about a BASIC INFORMATION that even MS-DOS was able to give you about the utilization of YOUR COMPUTER: the memory.
25 • Re: 24 • Re: 23 • PC-BSD (by Béranger on 2009-04-13 17:03:21 GMT from Romania)
I forgot to add: MS-DOS had the "mem" command. What's the f*ing difficult to have a BASE SYSTEM command or script to show you the memory? Yes, all the OSes you mentioned are retarded: they have not changed the philosophy they were designed with 20-30 years ago, not even for such a tiny bit.
Now you will tell me that hibernation is a stupidity, and the stupid Linux users only want to be able to hibernate because Windows can hibernate, but -- oooh! --- look, ma', Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, IRIX, and OSX can NOT hibernate, so nobody should ever want to hibernate!
26 • tor/privoxy (by hotdiggettydog on 2009-04-13 17:03:37 GMT from Canada)
I find Opera very easy to manage in respect to quick access to settings.
I do believe Vector does have tor/privoxy packages in their repos now. There is a trick to get them to run on startup though and that I have forgot. It is always a hassle finding current versions of slackware packages for me as well.
27 • Parallel boot (by Leo on 2009-04-13 17:04:15 GMT from United States)
I don;t think parallel boot is cheating. First: it should help a lot in multi processor boxes. Second: a lot of time is spent in communication with the hardware. If you have mutually independent services that need to wait 1 second each to get an answer from the iron, parallel-launching all of them should give roughly a 10x speedup for that part of the boot process.
Is any distro currently using parallel booting? Is Ubuntu in particular doing it or planning to do it in 9.04? I googled a bit to no avail. Thanks in advance!
28 • BSD and Linux (by Uses_both on 2009-04-13 17:08:57 GMT from United States)
It seems that both sides frequently want to say how their O/S is better.
I think this entry from the FreeBSD myths page sums it up well.
*BSD is better than (insert other system)
This is user opinion only.
(insert some other system) is better than *BSD
This is user opinion only.
Ironically, when a job change brought me back to Linux from BSD, some of the things the author didn't know how to do in BSD were things I'd forgotten how to do in Linux and things that I was complaining about to friends.
29 • Ubunchu! (by Duhnonymous on 2009-04-13 17:18:13 GMT from United States)
Make sure you get the *right-to-left* version. The normal version destroys a lot of the original background art which is a huge no-no. Who the hell flops manga anymore, anyway?
30 • Good DWW, excellent detailed review (by Caitlyn Martin on 2009-04-13 17:29:17 GMT from United States)
Thanks, Chris, for another excellent DWW. I haven't used BSD much since 1998 or so when I supported BSDi for my employer at the time. It's not that I have anything against any of the BSDs. My career has been divided between Linux (more all the time) and commercial UNIX and I just haven't made the time. I appreciate the in depth review of PC-BSD. I can't say if I'll have time to try it but you've peaked my interest again.
In response to all the snarky comments going back and forth: Yes, Linux has different or additional commands that aren't standard to UNIX. So? One of the great things about Linux and UNIX is that there are almost always multiple ways to achieve the results you want. One method is not necessarily superior to the other. People need to remember that Linux isn't UNIX and BSD isn't Linux. I prefer either to Windows any day :)
31 • Parallel booting in ubuntu (by Terli-Poo at 2009-04-13 17:34:25 GMT from United States)
Parallel booting can be enabled manually by changing concurrency=non to concurrency=shell, however, single-core processors will not be affected. Also, a great deal of work has to be done to prevent the processes from interfering when it comes to resources. In particular HAL has to be launched before DBUS, which was fixed a long time ago.
32 • It's called the openSUSE Build Service (by john on 2009-04-13 18:02:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
Sorry to be a pedant, but it's really called the _openSUSE Build Service_, not Novell's build service etc.
33 • A good reason for getting into Virtualbox: getting many distros (by Anonymous on 2009-04-13 18:17:28 GMT from United States)
I guess I will have to get into using Virtualbox. I do most of my distro testing by having at least a half dozen or more separate partitions for running distros, then I install each of them and manage them using GRUB. Problem with that approach, though. Many of them don't recognize BSD partition formats, and worse, they won't even boot if a BSD partition is present on the same hardware.
Potential solution: use Virtualbox or another virtualization technology instead (Virtualbox seems to be a good choice because many distros now come equipped with it).
34 • BSD (by desktopuser on 2009-04-13 18:27:08 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the informative review of PC-BSD. The reviews here set a high standard.
PCBSD evidently allows signing in as root, a capability that many prefer. It's good to see that it isn't necessary to criticize desktop distros that provide this capability by default.
It's not clear just what is gained when posts bash distros and OSes. Surely the advantages and disadvantages of various operating systems can be argued rationally and politely with greater affect.
35 • BSD (by Notorik on 2009-04-13 18:43:19 GMT from United States)
It is good to have BSD around. I for one, like having another option out there. Just because I prefer Linux doesn't mean that I have to dislike every other os. I do wonder why it is on a dvd and not a cd though. To me that suggests bloat. Where is the live cd? I think there is one but it's called something else?
36 • PC-BSD (by Notorik on 2009-04-13 18:48:59 GMT from United States)
Scratch that part about the dvd. I just found the 2 cd download. Still seems like a lot.
Sorry for the double post.
37 • Mint+Fluxbox?? (by mchlbk on 2009-04-13 19:02:25 GMT from Denmark)
Very interesting DWW this week. Downloading PCBSD71 right now-if only the torrent would come to life...
Regarding Mint 6 Fluxbox edition: Isn't that a pretty weird cocktail, Mint beeing a pre-chewed distro for ease of use and Fluxbox being - well, just a little geeky?
Perhaps Mint + LXDE would provide a more familiar interface?
38 • @31 (by Leo on 2009-04-13 19:19:46 GMT from United States)
Thanks Terli-Poo! I had forgotten about concurrency=shell. I'll test tonight, I can't believe it has no effect at all in single processors (for the reasons I stated - it may be a slow improvement though I guess).
I did find in google that some systems won't boot with concurrency on, but this must be because the rules of which service depends on which other one must be screwed. Only by testing we'll getting sorted out.
39 • PC-BSD installation failed (by doug on 2009-04-13 19:32:56 GMT from Canada)
First trying to install on my laptop, both 32-bit and 64-bit failed to boot at all. Then trying to install on my desktop, the installer wanted to take over the entire 500Gb drive: it won't install on extended/logical partitions, only primary ones; my drive is divided into 15 logical partitions in one extended partition. I've watched PC-BSD from v.0.8 and have always been impressed. Until now.
40 • re #33. Virtual box (by Glenn on 2009-04-13 19:48:25 GMT from Canada)
Not sure if I read the problem right but I do the same as you. Multiple partitions. I use chainloader +1 in my GRUB script to point to the partitions I want to boot.
Saves me a lot of time when I update the other systems and their kernel is updated. I am lazy and do not feel like editing GRUB script each time.
Have you tried that?
I have not installed BSD so I'm not sure if is applicable or not.
41 • BBC News Article- End of Windows, Looking at Virtual/Web-based Approach (by Glenn on 2009-04-13 19:49:45 GMT from United States)
I found this interesting, have a look if you like.
42 • Re. 40 & 33 VirtualBox (by RichardS on 2009-04-13 20:55:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
I've used VirtualBox for the last couple of years while experimenting with different Linux distros - largely to run Live CDs. It has worked well and avoided the need for dual-boot etc.
(Sorry to admit it here, but I also have Windows 7 (Beta 7000) running happily within VirtualBox 2.14 with only 426MB RAM + 32MB Video RAM.)
But, there seem to be problems with the latest VirtualBox 2.20 when running on Windows "hosts." I do hope that they're soon fixed.
43 • Interesting issue (by Nobody Important on 2009-04-13 21:11:36 GMT from United States)
I used PC-BSD for a few weeks when a hard drive died and my internet went out at the same time. I was stuck with what I had, which happened to be PCLinuxOS 2007 and PC-BSD 1.4. The latter had Compiz working, so I used that. Ran in 256 MB RAM just fine, looked good, but it refused to mount drives or CD's entirely on that dumb computer. Not a bad BSDistro by any means, though, and I don't blame it for the incompetence of the computer.
I noticed the Ubuntu manga on Planet Ubuntu. Was I the only one that did not understand a single word? Honestly, I've read some of those comics before, but that one really was just nonsense. Good idea, though.
Oh, and somebody asked why Fluxbox and Mint would be a good combo. You can be geeky, but still want a good interface. Some people actually use Fluxbox because they like it more, not because it used less resources.
I, on the other hand, recently discovered the wonders of Awesome. Awesome + Debian...Sayonara, GNOME!
44 • @27 parallel booting (by glyj on 2009-04-13 21:13:38 GMT from France)
Speedboot is available in the upcoming mandriva 2009.1
you can try the RC2 : http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.1_RC_2
In previous releases of mandriva, there was a pinit boot option (as parallel init) but the speed improvement vas not so great. There were also some errors because some tasks (on some HW) started too late or to early.
45 • BSD installation on HD with extended/logical partitions (by Jan on 2009-04-13 21:44:22 GMT from Netherlands)
I tried BSD a few year ago on a HD with an extended and logical partitions. I found then that BSD will cause partition table errors, if you (try to) install on a HD with extended/logical partitions.
Even if you you install it in one of the 3 primairy partitions.
I repaired that with TESTDISK (or Partition Table Doctor), and never dared to try it again.
Is this problem nowadays solved?
46 • RE: 18 (by Mark Twain on 2009-04-13 22:16:32 GMT from Canada)
"I had read BSD did NOT include proprietary software as it was against its license. Apparently I read this wrong :rolleyes:"
OpenBSD does not, FreeBSD does not to my knowledge, and PC-BSD does.
47 • BSD (by M on 2009-04-13 22:26:42 GMT from Australia)
After 6 months of PC-BSD the only thing that I really missed was VirtualBox.
The real competition for BSD is OpenSolaris.
We are lucky to be spoilt for choice.
48 • re#45 (by hab on 2009-04-13 23:42:15 GMT from Canada)
I have had all three bsds and solaris running. I have never experienced these problems. It probably has to do more with confusion and lack of understanding of bsd disklabels than any inherent problem in bsd.
More on those here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_disklabel
49 • help wanted:) (by john frey on 2009-04-14 00:24:24 GMT from Canada)
I'm looking for a distro that is focused on multimedia. What I'm primarily interested in is video editing capability. I want to install this on my laptop and possibly on a netbook. My laptop is kind of old so what I'm looking for is something that will run nicely on older hardware. I'm not expecting miracles but I don't want anything with a heavy desktop.
My experience has shown that a distro dedicated to (for instance) multimedia will work better than trying a minimal install of my favourite distro and selecting the packages I need.
I've used the DW search function so no need to recommend any of the distros listed here:
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
50 • In reply (by Chris on 2009-04-14 00:54:23 GMT from Australia)
21 • modules pcbsd by nix
Thanks, that's very helpful!
27 • Parallel boot by Leo
I guess it's not that parallel itself is cheating, it's that it is not an end solution. You aren't actually optimising the code and fixing issues at the base level. So if you fix those and THEN parallel boot, that's great. But just parallel booting to appear faster isn't really solving anything. I think that's what the Moblin people are trying to say.
32 • It's called the openSUSE Build Service by john
You're right, it is the openSUSE Build Service, founded by Novell. So it's Novell's openSUSE Build Service :-)
51 • PC-BSD Béranger (by nix on 2009-04-14 01:45:43 GMT from United States)
Your plea is terribly fallacious. It's not about an obscure utility, it's about a BASIC INFORMATION that even MS-DOS was able to give you about the utilization of YOUR COMPUTER: the memory.
My plea? Just because you can't use some other command like:
top, systat, vmstat, sysctl vm.stats.vm then the system is not grown up.
You logic dictates that no other OS other than Linux and Windows isn't grown up. I said nothing about hibernate or users wanting to use or not use that feature.
My point is that there are other tools to obtain that info. If you are unable to use some other tool to obtain memory information then the system is defective. Take a look at top: maybe in your world this would help:
mv top free
That would probably make you happy.
52 • re#49 multimedia linux (by hab on 2009-04-14 01:46:32 GMT from Canada)
Don't know whether you have tried geexbox (http://geexbox.org/en/index.html) but its hardware requirements don't appear to be too steep (http://geexbox.org/en/requirements.html), a p2 400 and 128 megs of ram. Don't know if this fits your requirements?
53 • BSD commands (by Chris on 2009-04-14 01:57:42 GMT from Australia)
I have been informed that FreeBSD does indeed let you load and unload kernel modules (which are located in /boot/kernel) on the fly. The commands are:
kldstat = lsmod
kldload = modprobe
kldunload = rmmod
kldxref = depmod
Also, there is no 64bit version of the NVIDIA driver for BSD, hence why I couldn't get it to work. It would be good if this was mentioned in the NVIDIA section of the documentation, rather than saying "it's included" when obviously it isn't always.
Thanks to vermaden for letting me know!
54 • No subject (by nix on 2009-04-14 02:14:20 GMT from United States)
I missed some points and observations:
"and the stupid Linux users"
I am a Linux user and Administrator. Your point is that you're a user and cannot use some other command(s) like top.
"OSX can NOT hibernate"
Apparently you have never used a OSX. OSX can hibernate.
For your free command: pkg_add -r freecolor
It doesn't have to be in the base system. Various linux distro's have different base systems. I have used distros that OMIT DNS tools while they are in the BSD base systems. Will those distro's ever grow up? Your logic is flawed; just because it's not in the base system.
FYI: I am a debain, *bsd and Solaris admin; not a user. Your point is clear, you are a user and not an admin.
55 • PC-BSD Flash (by historyb on 2009-04-14 02:24:23 GMT from United States)
Does BSD have flash and java yet?
56 • RE: #49 Look at the Puppy Linux "Pupplets" one is for video editing (by ChiJoan on 2009-04-14 02:57:49 GMT from United States)
Puppy Linux is a great lifesaver as a Live CD and more for old and new hardware. I hope you find what you're looking for.
Good luck and welcome...
57 • LinuxMint, Ubuntu, OpenSuse and PcLinuxOS not good with Intel onboard VGA (by ChiJoan on 2009-04-14 03:22:25 GMT from United States)
I had a chance to work on a Dell Dimension 2400 tower and was disappointed with this Intel VGA situation. Of the new releases I tried, I got Mepis 8 and Puppy to boot Live and luckily the Ubuntu LTS Live CD. Also, I couldn't put in a PCI video card with my Gateway EV910 monitor. In the end, I had to use a Dell LCD monitor even with the WinXP partition.
Ubuntu forums say this in a known bug that goes upstream to fix. Does that mean Intel or Dell or X.Org? I hope they know that Linux users of old hardware will want to buy new hardware from vendors that continue to support their older hardware.
I hope I can help someone by mentioning this, as I know some of these are being picked up for a song somewhere these days.
Thanks for another great issue,
58 • No subject (by Forest on 2009-04-14 07:20:28 GMT from United Kingdom)
This will make you blush, Ladislav, "Distrowatch is the Mother Lode".
It says so:
59 • Intel VGA @57 (by davecs on 2009-04-14 07:29:25 GMT from United Kingdom)
You say Intel VGA doesn't work on 3 distros, including PCLinuxOS. There is more than one type of Intel onboard VGA, for example, my eeePC900 has intel onboard VGA and it works nice, including compiz effects. My girlfriend's older computer has intel onboard VGA and it works but without 3D.
Please get more details of your video and report to the PCLinuxOS forum where people will try to help you.
No guarantees but at the very least (if it's a new board or a card that no-one else has) we will be aware of the situation. The same goes for the other distros.
60 • PC-BSD PBI's (by Allan on 2009-04-14 08:43:03 GMT from Australia)
"This way, a package should never break due to library upgrades as it only ever points to its own. This is similar to how applications for Windows and OS X work, and means installing a program in PC-BSD should be as simple as installing on those other platforms, once you have the file."
Windows may claim to work this way but still suffers from DLL Hell.
61 • concurrency= setting /Parallel booting (by DeniZen on 2009-04-14 08:57:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
Boot speed tweaking has long been a pastime for many of us (yeah .. me too ;) ) and it is relatively important - particularly on a laptop etc - if you dont want to rely on suspend / hibernate.
But, I think that this will become less of an issue.
Ubuntu 9.04 already boots in under 30 secs, even on a relatively modest rig (I was sceptic too - but it does - I've seen it do so on a P4 1.5ghz with 512mb) as does the latest Mandriva with speedboot (so I gather).
Fedora's Plymouth boot system will undoubtedly bring further enhancements when it becomes adopted by, and enhanced by other Distro's, and then we have the spin-offs from the Moblin methodologies.
And, as time marches on, we all generally get to run better, faster hardware - even the 'hand-me-down' rigs.
I can imagine 10- 15 second boot times becoming the norm within a relatively short time.
That ought to be acceptable - even to the most impatient among us.
Folks, lets not feed Little Master Troll's ego - by bothering to bite - any further.
I (we) have used *BSD here at work for years, and it is clearly a superb OS. It si different to Linux - its is not 'trying to be' Linux.
Like anything and everything, you need to bother to get to know it.
It can make an excellent Desktop OS.
As can Solaris - if you invest enough time and resources - though for 'personal use' I choose / prefer 'Linux'.
It really is just down to the the right tool for the job, and within that - down to personal taste.
A premise as _simple_ _as_ _that_ seems beyond some people.
Certainly there is no need for idiocy, baiting, ignorance nor insults.
So ... errr .. Bring back DOS! - it had a 'mem' command ...
62 • @ #33 #39 #40 etc (by tangram on 2009-04-14 10:17:52 GMT from Portugal)
FreeBSD does not install into logical partitions and use a different approach to partitions.
The common partition scheme in Windows/Linux is composed of 4 primary partitions and one of these can be an extended partition and have multiple logical partition. BSD sees the 4 primary partitions (BIOS partitions named slice in BSD world) and in each of these primary it creates partitions.
Just remember FreeBSD =! Linux the same way Linux =! Windows. FreeBSD and Linux do share many things as both are UNIX like systems however each has very distinct characteristics.
63 • Re: 44 (by Leo on 2009-04-14 11:53:53 GMT from United States)
Thanks Glyj! I found more info here:
64 • Re: 31 • Parallel booting in ubuntu (by Terli-Poo) (by Leo on 2009-04-14 11:58:45 GMT from United States)
You are right, with a single processor it gave me just a 1 second speed up (concurrency=shell). I will try with a multicore processor later ...
65 • Re: #50 by Chris (by Leo on 2009-04-14 12:14:01 GMT from United States)
Points well taken, but there is a difference between speedboot, which makes it _appear_ as a faster boot by delaying most init services (kind of cheating), and parallel boot, which should (and apparently does) speed up _real_ boot times in multiprocessors. See here a factor 2 actual boot time speed up:
But I agree, Linux scales from embedded to supercomputers, and people shouldn't need a quad to get a fast boot in a vanilla OS installation :-) Michael@Phoronix also praises Moblin as the fastest linux he's seen:
Something I always thought that could be implemented is to cache the hardware info, so in the next boot you can choose in grub "fast boot" optionwhere the OS doesn't query the hardware at start up, but uses the info from the previous boot. 99% of the time a regular user would need that option, and just use the regular boot when there is new hardware.
66 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-14 13:01:02 GMT from United Kingdom)
On the subject of Linux (Ubuntu) security cf MS...i had some of the smugness rubbed off following a gand at this article:
Unaccustomed as I am to making requests to the management...I wonder if a workshop on security might be in order?
67 • RE#65 • Re: #50 (by john frey on 2009-04-14 13:26:16 GMT from Canada)
I have thought exactly the same thing about hardware info. So much of boot time is running hardware detection and loading all the kernel drivers. There must be a faster way than bootstrapping from scratch every time. Maybe the bios flash ram could store hardware data.
That said there is always a noticeable pause when the hald fires up. If we want our USB devices and removable peripherals to be detected there needs to be a new way to deal with that. It's not practical for the user to select a different boot method just because they do or do not have that flashdrive inserted and they must try to remember whether they had it inserted or not last boot.
I wish there was a little more technical info about that Moblin fast boot. The links I followed did not have enough detail.
68 • Media distros (by Tom on 2009-04-14 13:35:57 GMT from United Kingdom)
@49 John Frey
Wolvix had a media-studio release but it's quite old now. Possibly ideal for an old machine but i would still tend to try going for newer distro releases possibly aimed at old hardware or maybe just tiny distros
errr, sorry for the link there but it's the only one i had to hand and i'm racing off out
I would go for something like Wolvix Cub or TinyCore and then build up what i needed
(apols again, this was faster for me).
Cub has the advantage that it has various apps in as standard already in but TinyCore is quite revolutionary as a LiveCd distro and might be even faster. TinyCore is specifically not aimed at older hardware but it is tiny and worth trying.
Good luck and regards from
69 • @66 (by Nobody Important on 2009-04-14 13:58:23 GMT from United States)
I read that a few minutes ago, and I couldn't stop rolling my eyes. Add that to the blissful fact that the second page couldn't load, and you have yourself quite a blog post indeed.
70 • scurity (by Tom on 2009-04-14 15:26:19 GMT from United Kingdom)
In linux a "security problem" is when someone notices that they can do a few things as root or access root more easily than they feel they should. They write it up in alarm and the 'problem' usually gets fixed fairly fast before too many other people notice.
In Windows a "security problem" seems to be when half the worlds machines crash out to a BSOD.
Ok, i say 'usually' because i read somewhere about a known issue that had been open for about 2 years and even had a "How To" guide to help any potential virus makers to write a linux virus but no-one seems to have bothered, or if they have it doesn't seem to have spread far ;) at least not this far.
Open Source is great. My favourite virus is Bliss :) Only in a linux world could a virus keep a log of what it's doing and have "bliss -uninfect-programs-please" as a command!" rofls. I heard it made it past the alpha stage and got as far as beta before it's dev got bored and found something more interesting to do :) !!
Good luck and regards all :)
71 • Kubuntu KDE3 Remix (by Clay Weber on 2009-04-14 16:47:40 GMT from United States)
It's not a step backwards at all, nor is it a response to the "backlash". It is simply a member of the Kubuntu community stepping up and bringing his hard work and offering it for everyone to use. For a development team as small as Kubuntu's, this is rather a nice addition to have.
72 • Re: 71 (by Leo on 2009-04-14 17:30:10 GMT from United States)
I agree, why do we always focus on the negative? KDE 4 is very, very nice. My non-geek wife demanded that I switch her over when she saw my desktop last year :-)
73 • epidemic (by supernatendo on 2009-04-14 18:08:39 GMT from United States)
Distro looks great, the ui is so polished in terms of eye-candy, haven't been able to test its usability though... I wish i knew the default password for the livecd because when i change to english and try to log off and log back on so that all the programs display in English i get stuck at the login prompt. I haven't tried the installer but I would be surprised if they don't have the option to install with english as default language but it would be nice to try it out in LIVECD first... If anyone knows the pasword for the epidemic livecd let me know!
KDE4 runs slower than XFCE, JWM, and ICEWM ... duh!... But if it introduces people to GNU Linux who have been holding out for looks of OS X and Vista then so be it! Home computers are turning more and more toward elegant looks, farther from pure usability and productivity. Yes, Command line is more efficient, but those who wish to be ultra-productive will always complain about resource usage and will always be making their own super fast and customized systems...
I use Puppy and JWM, my wife hates it due to looks, maybe KDE4 will convince her to give linux a chance?
74 • pc-bsd (by "M" on 2009-04-14 21:20:12 GMT from United States)
I read with interest the article on pc-bsd. I saw as much as a year or more ago the unique potential of the BSD/KDE/desktop system, but
something has always seemed to just "not gel". Last fall things looked
real good, but the decision to go with the then (very) undercooked KDE4 put me back on Hold. Now again seems to be a season where all could come together simultaneously for a truly great result. (Note also that freebsd 7.2 is RC1). However the performance comments toward the end of the article are very troubling. a DualCore 3.0 ought to run real strong.
It would be interesting to see if a more usual file system would elimin-
ate these problems, hint hint..
In the meantime I am watching from the sidelines (still). BTW, I just
downloaded the brand new Mint-(KDE). havent had time to do anything
with it but (desktop) 1st impression seemed pretty nice...
75 • @45, @55 (by pcbsduser on 2009-04-15 02:25:44 GMT from Canada)
The only requirement is that you boot PC-BSD from a primary partition. Once booted, PC-BSD can mount and use logical partitions with no difficulty.
Yes. Both Flash and Java. (But Flash is not native.)
76 • @Tom (by john frey on 2009-04-15 04:14:36 GMT from Canada)
Thanks for the suggestions. I really want to avoid building something up from TinyCore, Arch, Gentoo or something similar. I'm interested in working with something already built and don't wnat to be debugging stuff when I could be editing video already.
I'm going to try the Wovix media edition although as you say it is rather old and I agree it is better to use something up to date. The problem with older versions is that they have bugs that have been ironed out in newer releases and there's usually no one doing any bug squashing. I already tried Dyne:bolic which hasn't had a release since Dec 2007 and it didn't want to boot into X. That coupled with the lack of a user forum put it out of the running.
77 • Epidemic livedvd password (by James on 2009-04-15 11:21:57 GMT from Brazil)
Epidemic, "when run from a livedvd", not need the root password.
Epdsu, an exclusive program of Epidemic, is in charge of granting him the powers of root automatically when needed.
But if you need a root password, you can create one:
Press F12 to open the Yakuake
Type su to login as root
And type passwd epidemic to create a new password for the epidemic user.
Excuse my poor English.
78 • Mint (by Anon on 2009-04-15 13:10:09 GMT from Norway)
So, what are the 5 most compelling reasons to test Mint?
79 • @ John Frey (by Eyes-Only on 2009-04-15 13:13:47 GMT from United States)
While Tom spoke of using the much older "Wolvix Multimedia Edition" which was based then upon SLAX 5.x something or other, myself? - I'd suggest outright using either "Wolvix Cub 1.1.0" if your system requires something truly light-weight, or if I recall your stats, it should run "Wolvix 1.1.0 Hunter" just fine ( the latter having even more in the multimedia department ). Now while it's true that it's based upon an older version of Slackware ( 10 I believe? Tom? ) you'll be amazed at just how up-to-date the programmes actually ARE in either 1.1.0 version John. Wolven, I believe, took them from what would be considered "Slackware Testing", or perhaps "Unstable" - if there is such a thing - and through very diligent work on his and oithona's behalf ( along with others ) did a massive amount of bug quashing to produce a remarkably stable and STILL up-to-date system. In fact John, I was using this myself just a few months ago and many of the programmes were just point versions off from programmes of today a few years later.
I hope this info has helped in some small way? Good luck John in whatever you do mate!
80 • Wolvix MultiMedia Studio (by Tom on 2009-04-15 13:33:55 GMT from United Kingdom)
Yes, nearly, Wolvix 1.1.0's were both based on Slackware 11.0 and it was only a week or so ago that Slackware 12 was officially released so 11.0 still isn't that old. The packages themselves are a lot more up-to-date than one would expect and do seem completely stable. The forums make it easy to work out how to update the kernel (if you fancied being ultra-up-to-date, i didn't bother ;) ) and the list of packages in the Multimedia/Studio Edition might be good to quickly run through and install using gslapt's searchable feature.
Altogether, the Wolvix 1.1.0's are still very current and fast. Hunter has the full OpenOffice (upgrades to 3.0.1 or something) and some games, Cub is a bit lighter (and faster)
In my most recent update of Ubuntu i'm still only on Ooo 2.4 lol, i have to go outside their repositories to get a series 3, which i don't need to do because io just don't use advanced features in Ooo lol
Good luck and regards from
81 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-15 14:17:38 GMT from United Kingdom)
Why not just "boldly go" and try it anyway. How can anyone give you a meaningful reason, let alone 5?
Usually you try it cos it's there, LOL!
82 • RE: 78 (by IMQ on 2009-04-15 15:42:20 GMT from United States)
1. it's there
2. you saw it
4. the itch is unbearable
5. last but not least, you want too
6. it's not brown
83 • Re: Mint (by Anon on 2009-04-15 16:17:07 GMT from Norway)
yes, I could of course just try it. However, in this forum people recommend various distros all the time, but seldom tell us _why they find a particular distro useful for whatever, or better in some respect(s). I think discussions of pros and cons of a distro would be a lot more interesting.
84 • Re: Mint (by Anon on 2009-04-15 16:27:41 GMT from Norway)
OK, all good reasons, but I want a DEBATE!
85 • re#83 (by hab on 2009-04-15 17:29:35 GMT from Canada)
With the toys we now have to play with it is trivial to fire up a distro in a virtual machine to trial it. Doesn't even cost you a blank disc. Other than time, the cost of trialling a distro is zero.
I don't know that a detailed discussion, by users, of any distro would influence many people. I base my own decision to run particular distros more on reviews and personal experience than on others yay or nay recommendations. Besides too many people seem stray into fanboiism when they post about their favorite distro. The site is distrowatch not distrocompare.
86 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-15 18:12:46 GMT from United Kingdom)
Crikey, a debate...about distros...whatever next? We're FAR too busy moaning about the latest basket of dirty washing to bother about...what you did call them again...distros?
On a slightly more serious note, generally speaking some of us d/l a distro, burn it load it or run it virtual...then say, "Anyone tried ABC yet?"
If you are very, very, lucky, there MAY be half a dozen responses, usually from the same folk...out of a planetful of people, say 6 Billion, which is NOT bad. LOL.
If you do want a debate, d/l a distro then play with it, find something you like/dislike and bung it on the forum. But be warned do not say the G word or the K word for desktops because generally you'll find someone has taken out a contract on you...
I generally play it safe and say something along the line s of "um...nice artwork" or "loaded it onto a usb...dontchano?"...I've only just found out wot a partition is...
So, over to you, LOL.
87 • Thanks (by Sawyer on 2009-04-15 19:33:10 GMT from United States)
thanks and keep up the good work :) Everywhere else is soo boring...
88 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-15 19:46:13 GMT from United Kingdom)
I know there is a "bit" of antipathy towards MS from some quarters...but this is a tad extreme...
89 • 6 billion & AVG (by anon on 2009-04-15 21:19:34 GMT from Australia)
"out of a planetful of people, say 6 Billion, which is NOT bad. LOL."
Yeah, but only <1% even use Linux, let alone want to try it, so half a dozen responses starts to look a lot better.
AVG - AVG went down the tubes when they started to include everything including the kitchen sink with it, around version 7. I think from 7.5 onwards, if you used AVG, then you got no one else to blame for any problems but yourself, no, not even Microsoft, whom this problem has nothing to do with, apart from being the OS these victims are using.
90 • Sidux Kde4 (by Chris H on 2009-04-15 22:00:59 GMT from United States)
I upgraded a copy of sidux kde lite 2009-01 to KDE4.
Smxi is definitely required
--there's been a new smxi version every day now--
but KDE4 is attractive
and works pretty much as expected.
Dolphin showed no progress dialog
when I copied a large number of files
between it's split windows.
I'll try the file copy with Konqueror tonight.
Version 2009-02 will have KDE4,
according to the sidux home page.
91 • Re: Mint (by Anon on 2009-04-15 22:32:19 GMT from Norway)
Great repartee, forest.
I rest my case ;)
92 • Béranger calls for DW boycott (by Caitlyn Martin on 2009-04-15 23:21:19 GMT from USA)
I don't know if any of you noticed but Béranger is calling for a boycott of DistroWatch becase Ladislav deleted a couple of his comments: http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/04/14/boycott-distrowatch/ I don't know why I find this funny but I do. His taking a Nazi slogan and applying it to DW is way, way, way over the top.
Oh, and yeah, I've had comments deleted here. Bottom line: a website owner has the right to control the content of their site. It isn't censorship since you can post anything you want elsewhere as Béranger has done.
FWIW, Béranger has said goodbye to DW before. Anyone taking bets on how long this boycott lasts?
93 • Berateanger (by Landor on 2009-04-16 00:41:24 GMT from Canada)
Comment deleted (off-topic).
94 • re#93 (by hab on 2009-04-16 01:43:30 GMT from Canada)
Comment deleted (off-topic).
95 • #94 (by Notorik on 2009-04-16 02:03:26 GMT from United States)
Comment deleted (off-topic).
96 • RE: 94 (by Landor on 2009-04-16 04:43:26 GMT from Canada)
Comment deleted (off-topic).
97 • RE: Beranger (by HAL on 2009-04-16 08:17:49 GMT from France)
Love him or not does not matter here, it is just unacceptable to have posts deleted, "censored" at the whim of the leader of the site.
Unless a post is racist and/or hateful for example, all the posts should be accepted. I did not see this site as a dictatorship... :-(
98 • Boycotting the Boycott / a Brown Surprise (by DeniZen on 2009-04-16 09:16:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
Just thought I'd boycott the errr.. boycott.
hey look, I'm an activist.
Mmmm .. feels strangely good.
So much so, I'm going to boycott a few more sites today.
Well now .. look out you (approx) 165 million Websites and about 120 million Blogs. Dont go expecting me - I may not visit today.
While I'm here .. and making strange admissions.
I finally (whoa we know there is never a 'finally' when it comes to choosing a Distro ;) ) decided upon the distro that I'm keeping for serious daily use on my 'modest' Laptop (Mobile Celeron 1.5ghz & 512mb).
Its been fun trying out a number of Distros again over the last couple of months. I gleaned a lot, and had a few surprises along the way.
I've installed dozens of releases in spare time over recent months.
I deliberately limited myself to relatively ' conventional' Distros, that present a full desktop post install.
I've evaluated the usability, feature set, the availability of good stuff in the repos.
I have to say the over-riding impression is that we are (nearly) spoiled for choice nowadays. Most of the Distros in the DWW 'league table ' would probably do a good job - most of the popular ones are truly excellent Desktop OS's - compared to the situation just a few short years ago.
But most still have idiosyncrasies and flaws.
I have also been keeping a notebook log of stooopid (aka vital!) things like boot times of each (both 'stock' and then trimmed of Services).
Also the general responsiveness, speed common apps open or complete a task (with a stopwatch!) ease of maintenance , lack of (immediately/soon encountered) breakages / annoyances etc.
At least some of the releases I tried were / are in Beta, to be fair.
So the 'surprising' thing - for me- is what I have ended up really (really!) liking.
Its possibly the first thing people look at, but it was all but the last thing that I looked at.
Ubuntu 9.04 (beta) is an incredible desktop OS.
Amazing, to be frank.
And its still beta...
I was persuaded to give it a go by a Work Colleague who was clearly enamored. I'm glad i did.
Its been flawless since install.
Its been smooth, responsive, and - heres the surprising bit ...
Ubuntu 9.04 is damn swift OS.
Previous releases have been slick, but also like wading trough treacle.
Not this one.
And there is that 'something' about the way the Desktop is presented that just feels different - somehow warmer, more solid , fluid experience.
Its comfortable. Very comfortable to use. (that alone might not appeal to all tastes!)
So far - beta or otherwise- I cannot fault *anything*.
'Full' Multimedia was as simple as installing 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' and that was that, It all works.
I even like the Gnome desktop in this release - and I'm a long term KDE and XFCE advocate.
Superb job. Looking forward to Final release.
It may be Evolution rather than Revolution, but thats fine, and the bar has been raised again IMHO.
Honourable mention has to go to Arch / Chakra. My Goodness, thats a fast Distro, and beautifully presented via the Chakra installer - hard to believe the Chakra Live CD is in Alpha.
And 'everybody's new favourite' - Wolvix 2.
Very pleased with the Beta.
Swift, slick little 'slacky' Distro - great choice of standard apps by the devs, and snappy in use. Felt solid and flawless - again even in Beta
Thats still going on the spare partition once its in Final. I cant resist it ;)
Everything else that I tried - and I mean everything (and I tried a heck of a lot!) had some issue or another - some niggles .. some utter bombs ;)
Some of those 'bombs' were courtesy the 'big names'.
My Fedora 10 experience was particularly agonising. I really, really liked it, but it ran v. slow - on that Laptop - (compared to other 'similar' Distros's) - also X was constantly using up vast amounts of CPU time on top of that. I never got that solved via the forums. Package management was very tardy too. Its a beautifully presented Distribution. I'll certainly check out Fedora 11 in the future though.
So after all that - Ubuntu it is.
I'm the most surprised.
Maybe I'm getting old.
I first used Linux sometime in the mid 90's - Redhat 4.x as I recall.
I cant imagine how many 'flavours' of Linux (and BSD / *NIX) i've used / tried since, either at home or at work. Some of them very 'involving' or high maintenance.
But now, in 2009, its a joy to this ol' Spodder to have something that works so well 'straight out of the tin',
So good (so far) that I dont even feel that I want to tweak anything :)
Theres a first for me ..
A hats of to Canonical I say.
99 • RE: 97 (by ladislav on 2009-04-16 09:26:53 GMT from Taiwan)
If I delete posts, people complain. If I don't delete posts, people complain. I'd love to please every reader, but I am afraid it's impossible...
So once again, a quick reminder: stay on topic and be respectful towards others and your posts won't be deleted. It's a simple rule so please stick to it.
100 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-16 09:48:16 GMT from United Kingdom)
Re fsome the last few comments, "anon" of Norway, you could be forgiven for believing you had accessed a forum called "Distrobitch".
Now we take you back to "Distrowatch"...
I have tried the recent Mint offerings and have to say i quite like them...firstly cos they will install on the machines I have to play with...which always helps...
The Mints will play most video files without recourse to a search for the requisite plug ins. They live quite happily on a usb stick, which is OK for occasional use but updates and saving largish files can be problematic...simply because it is too easy to forget how much space there is available, well I do anyway, LOL.
That said I have not been able to check if a usb stick "created" on PC xxx will boot up in PC or lappy "a or b or c". I have not read many comments either way on this forum, or any other come to that, so I can only surmise DOAS (distro-on-a-stick) is not a mainstream subject...and why should it be?
That's not to say there aren't entire forums devoted to DOAS...I just haven't read them...yet...
When it comes to discussing how fast a distro works, that's not really relevant cos there are literally millions of machines out there which will be running billions of different combinations of apps, each one of a different vintage almost certainly.
The speed of connection could be factored in also; having the latest turbo nutter bastard octocore processor (designed and brought into reality at Unseen University, AM...) might be a bit wasted if you could only get online via dialup modem.
There is a underlying sub topic, not so prevalent just recently, that if someone has a problem with an install or any other probs with a distro, they should refer to the relevant helpdesk type forum.
Personally, whilst agreeing with that sentiment because it is an eminently sensible suggestion, if you are an unreconstructed distro hopper like myself...the time could be better spent trying out the next distro that comes along.
I say this, only slightly tongue-in-cheek, but I suspect I have become addicted to trying out new distros. Obviously I have a machine with a stable distro (U9x as it happens) so I can always get my fix and consequent hit of the latest distro.
Consequently i find my interest in "a" distro is transitory...and when you consider there are more distros being written that you could ever have time to look at let alone install...and then contribute to a debate...
So the conclusion is, from my experience, if you want to try a distro just d/l and install in any way that works for you, if you like it or don't is purely subjective cos if/once you get hooked...as i am...you are going to be too busy waiting for the next opening splash...
And if there are any psychologist manques out there who need guinea pigs for research into internet addiction for their next thesis...I am available at very reasonable rates...payment to be in gold sovereigns...I think you know why...
101 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2009-04-16 11:11:44 GMT from Serbia and Montenegro)
very nice reviews very stupid (most of 'em) comments
102 • #98 (by Notorik on 2009-04-16 13:42:23 GMT from United States)
Well the sun came up so I guess my boycott is over. I hope my taking a stand has made a difference. Ubuntu huh? I tried it on three machines and it wouldn't even boot. So I guess it really is (as has been stated ad infinitum) personal experience that is the factor. I would be curious to hear your experience with Mepis 8.0, AntiX, and Vector. I had good results with Mepis on a laptop but it doesn't support sata. Love AntiX as well but same issue. As for Wolvix, well that is the best of the best and the only one I would install on my machine. Don't be afraid of the beta either, it is quite usable and complete even at this stage.
103 • Ref#93 & VL6 Gold (by Verndog on 2009-04-16 13:48:23 GMT )
I finally got VectorLinux installed on my Dell pc. For some reason, I find that install method a little odd. It's the only distro in hundreds that can't give me the correct color rendering. I guess I'll have to read up on xorg.config. It's fast enough, that's for sure.
104 • Hypocrisy (by Anonymous on 2009-04-16 13:57:30 GMT from United States)
So once again, a quick reminder: stay on topic and be respectful towards others and your posts won't be deleted. It's a simple rule so please stick to it.
But it is perfectly all right to be disrespectful towards Berenger. If you are going to enforce a rule you should apply it evenly to all and not just pick and choose against whom you wish to enforce your rule.
FWIW I'm surprised Berenger still reads DW, in fact I thought he was using Microsoft's OS because he was fed up with the state of X.
105 • #102 antiX on sata (by anticapitalista on 2009-04-16 14:04:58 GMT from Greece)
antiX-M8 does install on sata hard-drives. My box only has sata drives and is working fine with antiX on it.
106 • AntiX (by Notorik on 2009-04-16 14:12:18 GMT from United States)
My apologies Anticapitalista! It does state very clearly on the Mepis website that sata is supported. I'm off to the AntiX forums to see what my issue is then.
107 • Re: #100 - Mints of all kinds (by Anon on 2009-04-16 14:28:11 GMT from Norway)
thanks for another eloquent reply to my Mint question. Regrettably, all I can offer in return is my drab 'Norwenglish'...
I was curious about Mint because I'm tempted to replace my 2nd reserve distro, PCLOS (the 1st reserve being Bluewhite64!), with a different one. The DOAS and multimedia features are tempting, but even Mint can't play the multimedia content at
'out-of-the-(live)-box', whereas f.inst. Granular _can, although not impressively, via Xine. They say Linux is Linux. Not true, or I would be able to view the same content with MPlayer in Arch. Perhaps it's because I'm a newbie that not every distro will do what is advertised 'out-of-the-box'? :(
Having read DeniZen's glowing praise of the latest Ubuntu, I think I'll try that one instead.
108 • RE: 104 Hypocrisy (by ladislav on 2009-04-16 14:39:26 GMT from Taiwan)
You are right. Please (Landor and others) this is not an appropriate place to present your opinions about other posters. Let's stay with discussing free operating systems.
109 • Blah blah blah (by Noboty Important on 2009-04-16 15:00:02 GMT from United States)
Ubuntu 9.04 Beta is fantastic. It's so stable, in fact, that I'm not even upgrading from the Beta LiveCD's installation; I'm much too lazy. Well done, Ubuntu!
I've never been a fan of Mint. The added programs really don't add all that much for me, personally. But your milage may vary, of course; if you have a need for codecs and a few extra apps, Mint might work for you. I perfer to live with the devil I know, as TechieMoe put it, though, and I prefer vanilla Ubuntu.
I'm not boycotting Distrowatch. In fact, I'm also boycotting the boycott. So there. Take that, angry internet men!
Oh, and I'm in the market for a new computer, and Dell's Ubuntu desktop configuration happens to be about $70 less than the Windows configuration at the same specs. WE HAVE ACHIEVED SUCCESS! I plan on buying that beast soon; Ubuntu runs fine, but I need a new computer.
110 • RE:104 and 108 (by HAL on 2009-04-16 15:19:07 GMT from France)
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111 • Chris's Reviews (by Notorik on 2009-04-16 15:41:10 GMT from United States)
Not to change the subject but I'm not sure what the subject is anymore so I'll say something that's been on my mind for a while. I'm sure I'll be the voice of dissent here. I think some of Chris's reviews are quite good others are ok. However, there does seem to be a smug air of elitism with comments like, "...I've never really seen much use for smaller distros...". I'm also picking up a subtle disdain for new users and anything that is not in the top ten on the list. I would like to see an honest review of Puppy, antiX, Austrumi, Vector Light, and some of the smaller distros.
112 • @ Notorik # 102 (by DeniZen on 2009-04-16 15:54:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
Yip, I did try Antix and liked it a lot.
Swift, compact and well featured.
Nicely implemented IceWM set-up, and good tools to manage it.
Quite a little marvel.
I think I recall it was yourself that suggested that I tried Antix actually - so thanks for that.
I recall that I had some inconsistencies with Wi-Fi on Antix, and if I'm absolutely honest, I moved on without investing hours in researching and sorting it out. Bad Karma, I accept.
Mepis - Great Distro , love Debian, love KDE so, whats not to like ;)
I may have stuck with Mepis too - but I failed to get my Nokia working in Tethered mode - i.e. using the 3G Data connection - which I want to use on my laptop when away from home, and no Wi-Fi to hook up to.
I spent the best part of an evening trying different things in KPPP and PPP scripts, and trying to compile GPRS Easy Connect.
In fact only (XK)Ubuntu and Fedora managed the 3G function well/consistently.
Oh and Mint Flux did actually - via 'GPRS Easy Connect' already installed, AIR.
Vector, and Vector Lite (which I really wanted to try) I could not install. - Hung on boot 'looking for Adaptec 120'.
I did some digging and apparently its a known Slackware issue for some - apprently.
it seemed that I'd need to select the 'huge' Slack kernel, which is not on the Vector install Disk, so I moved on - I put it down as too time-consuming to sort out - rightly or wrongly.
I agree regards Wolvix. Its the dalmations danglers ;)
I did try the Beta. You'd never know it was Beta, but I'm in no rush - I'll install it when Final comes out.
Theres a partition a'waitin for the Wolf.
Re not being able to install Ubuntu. - i,e, 'not even boot'
Well, fair enough - guess that is a bit of a put-off eh?!
Its a bum when that happens.
And it was all so smooth for me - on that specific laptop at least.
Just goes to show eh.
So, by the same token - who knows, I may have preferred Vector to anything else I tried - I just never got far enough to find out! Maybe another time.
Quote: "how fast a distro works, that's not really relevant cos there are literally millions of machines out there which will be running billions of different combinations of apps, each one of a different vintage almost certainly."
Indeed, fair comment - but its satisfying to have a snappy performing distro, and some , are definitely (inherently) snappier than others.
Its worth testing a few Dists out on ones individaul hardware to determine the best combination/compromise of functionality and usability with at least an acceptably snappy performance.
I think it is worth sharing some findings in that regard - maybe.
Most of us users like at least a bit of snappyness ;)
Personally I just cant abide a laggy OS at all. Makes me feel like I'm in a bad dream stuck using MS Fista or something ;)
Sometimes I have a brief dabble on the good lady's Vista-plagued work laptop to remind myself of what I dont have to put up with ;)
@ Anon in Norway re Ubuntu 9.04
Hope it works out for you too. It is still in Beta mind - but I've not found *any* issues - yet.
All I can say was that I was very surprised to find myself so very pleasantly surprised ;)
113 • omnia xp (by pha on 2009-04-16 16:58:09 GMT from United States)
I am horrified at the decision to include omnia xp among the distros available here. Although I don't like Micro$oft, I still respect them as an entity. The Omnia XP distro goes WAY TO FAR with the xp transformation. Windows XP is not open source and should be respected due to the laws that protect it. This is not the type of attention we (as an open source community) want to draw to ourselves.
114 • omnia xp and linux xp (by Frisco on 2009-04-16 18:28:00 GMT from United States)
Are we absolutely certain that one or both of those distros have no permission from Microsoft to use the XP name and to mimic the looks of Windows XP?
I'm just asking because I do not know; I am not implying that they do or even could.
115 • Ref#102 MY experience... (by Verndog on 2009-04-16 18:46:08 GMT from United States)
"..Ubuntu huh? I tried it on three machines and it wouldn't even boot. So I guess it really is personal experience that is the factor. I would be curious to hear your experience with Mepis 8.0, AntiX, and Vector. I had good results with Mepis on a laptop but it doesn't support sata. Love AntiX as well but same issue. As for Wolvix?..."
My experience is the opposite!? Isn't that interesting. Ubuntu works everytime, anytime, without issue - Video, sound, Sata, IDE, USB, U-nameIT.
VectorLinux, Wolvix, and almost any Slackware doesn't work, or harder to get working.
Mandriva, Debian all work to perfection. The last time I tried SuSe, it too worked.
I can get Slackware products(any distro based on Slackware) working if I spend hours on end researching sound, video and the like. I tried the latest Slax 6.1 nd it too failed on the sound issue. That use to work on my machine.
There's just too many modern distros that work out-of-the-box for me to have to arse around with older style distro installations.
116 • The XP Distros. (by Eddie on 2009-04-16 18:55:23 GMT from United States)
The best place to find info on these distros is to go the their respective web sites and ask questions. That's where you can get your answers. Personally I don't care one way or the other about protections laws for MS products. Furthermore I don't have to respect anything or anybody because someone else tells me to but that's a different subject.
117 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-16 19:21:17 GMT from United Kingdom)
Intrigued, I scuttled over to that news site you posted and eventually found something I recognised as the TV news service section, LOL.
Anyway, when attempting to play the files I noted the label said mplayer ...embedded video player for mozilla.
Clicking the "play" button comes up with "connected"...but nothing happens.
Now this suggests to me that it's not Mint per se but the mplayer within FF3. or FF3 itself.
I know nothing about Granular so can't comment on how the embedded vids are handled, but from your observations appear, possibly, to be different from Mint's arrangements
Note that this is but a suggestion and not a slur on your operational prowess, which I just happen to know is the best in all Oslo town...LOL
118 • #115 Experience is based on hardware (by Caitlyn Martin on 2009-04-16 19:28:01 GMT from United States)
@Verndog: Your experience is valid for your particular hardware, not as a general rule. On my Toshiba laptop Ubuntu can't configure X since they went to dexconf. I just get a black screen. Ditto all the Ubuntu clones and vanilla Debian. Vector Linux (6.0 only), Zenwalk, Wolvix, AliXe, etc... all get it right without any tinkering on my part. Vanilla Slackware doesn't configure X as part of the installation and it doesn't "just work" but many Slackware derivatives do. All of them get sound right on that laptop -- I have yet to find a full featured distro that doesn't. The main reason I ended up being such a supporter of Slackware based distros is they worked best on my hardware with the least effort and then gave superior performance. I'm clearly not the only one with this experience. Look at Susan Linton's review of Vector Linux for example.
Don't get me wrong; I am not discounting your experience. I am just saying that with different hardware people get very different results. Ubuntu is absolutely terrible with older, legacy hardware, both in terms of detecting and configuring it properly and in terms of performance if and when you do get it right. On my less than three month old netbook Ubuntu is almost flawless. Different hardware, right?
The distro that gets it right across all hardware will probably never exist. If someone ever succeeds that way expect that distro to be somewhere near #1 on the DW list :)
119 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-16 19:48:17 GMT from United Kingdom)
Let me come right back Caitlyn and ask what your definition of older hardware is?
I get on very well with Xubuntu 9 beta and the PC it's on is c2002. I run Ubuntu 9 beta off a usb stick and that is very stable...but not brilliantly fast of course, but certainly adequate for normal surfing, playing vids and WP...
FWIW this is coming via Mint KDE, again off a stick running via the old PC.
120 • #119: It still depends on hardware (by Caitlyn Martin on 2009-04-16 20:14:57 GMT from United States)
My Toshiba was purchased new in December, 2002. It doesn't support running anything off of a USB stick since it can't boot from a USB device. Even with legacy hardware Ubuntu will do better on some hardware and not so well on others. I'm willing to bet you don't have a Trident chipset for video or you wouldn't be saying that it works for you. In general, though, I know far too many people who have had Ubuntu install headaches with older hardware (>5 years old if you want a definition) who did far better with other distros.
121 • hardware (by hab on 2009-04-16 20:43:12 GMT from Canada)
I tend to draw a fairly significant line between laptop/notebook hardware and generic desktop hardware. Laptop core hardware: that is cpu/chipset/bus structure is often quite proprietary and the bios (the last abstraction layer between the physical hardware and the os) are buttoned down too. This kind of thing not only can cause problems with booting but the propritary nature of the hardware makes it difficult to even diagnose what is causing the problem in the first place.
Desktop hardware is much more generic. Take any mainstream component today and linux in all likelihood will work fine with it it. From my own experience p4/athlon and later are well supported in mainstream distros and anything previous i consider to be legacy hardware. A pIII runs linux pretty well but problems can result. Many modern distros run well on pIII but in many ways the older the hardware the greater the possibility of problems.
122 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-16 21:16:33 GMT from United Kingdom)
Ditto your remarks on your Toshi, but I doubled the ram, to an enormous 256MB...and that helped quite a bit.
I willing to bet I don't even know what a Trident Chip set is...
Anyway thanks for your definition.
And ref #121...yes I think I get your drift assuming I am correct in thinking a Celeron is similar to a P3 but with less onchip memory. Most stuff I try will work even with with 7 yr old kit. Thanks for the gen.
I have a Compaq Evo c2002/3 which will boot from usb, and, judging from comments must be among the first machines do so.
123 • Toshiba laptops (by DeniZen on 2009-04-16 21:30:48 GMT from United Kingdom)
To add to Caitlyn's observations -
Consistency seems to be the problem - thus Laptops can be a pain - and even if talking Toshiba only, theres no consistency.
Caitlyn mentions a Trident video Chipset i na Toshiba from C '02.
I have owned two Toshiba Laptops, a Tecra, and the Satellite I have now.
The Tecra (C 1999?) was a bit of a piggy to get sorted with most Distros due to its Neomagic (read: uuugh!) video chipset, and a weird ISA Bus (yip!) Yamaha Sound chip. .. Why it had that ISA sound chip, I'll never know.
What fun.. not. (actually it was fun .. i guess ;) )
It preferred Slack based distros for sure.
The Satellite is 'old' too. C 2003 - I think? - (Celeron 1.5ghz and 512mb anyhoo)
It has a Mobility Radeon video chipset though - and no issues with X with any distros.
Well, should I say - no X config issues with distro's that made it far enough to think about X configuration in the first place.
Ubuntu is sweet on the Satellite that I have. It doesnt seem to like Slack based Distros much though .. sigh ..;)
Exception seems to be Wolvix.
There is (was) a website out there somewhere that lists laptops and succesfull Linux installs - the Distro used, and issues encountered (and solutions)
Or at least there was, as it helped me with the Tecra.
124 • For forest (by DeniZen on 2009-04-16 21:44:57 GMT from United Kingdom)
re: "willing to bet I don't even know what a Trident Chip set is..."
typing ' lspci ' in a terminal window will tell you what chipsets you have - including video chipset - if - you ever wanted to check it out.
' lsusb ' can be handy too - especially for an USB devotee such as yourself :)
Apols if you already knew already!
125 • That laptop website (by DeniZen again . on 2009-04-16 22:06:07 GMT from United Kingdom)
Re website referenced in post 123:
Some of the info / distros look bit out of date, but some of the solutions to problems encountered _may_ still be valid, or at least indicate a good starting point.
And so .. to bed ;)
126 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-16 23:41:47 GMT from United Kingdom)
Thanks DeniZen, I didn't know that so thanks very much.
127 • Quick word (by Nobody Important on 2009-04-17 00:00:02 GMT from United States)
If you plan on using Ubuntu 9.04 on release, get the Release Candidate now. Then, when it goes final, just download the minimal updates to it.
I'm speaking from experience - I'm sure most of you remember 8.10, and how crazy the servers were. Get it now!
(Oh, and if you run into any bugs, report them. I haven't met any issues after running 9.04 since Alpha 6, but I'm lucky. Also, the release notes for the RC say not to use ext4 because of a bug they already fixed in the coming final disc.)
Keep your million dollar South African millionaires on the ice!
128 • VL6 revisited (by Verndog on 2009-04-17 00:26:31 GMT from United States)
Well guess what. VL6 now works perfectly. With NNO intervention from me. Crazy.
I keep trying to get my color saturation to get off the 4-bit color. All to know avail. That was yesterday. today I booted VL6 and everything works. Display is beautiful, sound - mp3 file works great, Internet works.
This crazy, I know. I wish I knew what I did for future referance. Yesterday, I fired VASMCC up and changed my video parameters severaltimes. Nothing changed. Each time I check xorg.conf. Nothing appeared to have changed.
Today I noticed that xorg.conf even "knows" what monitor I have - "Dell 151FPp".
That's the strange part. On first boot, if I select 'linux vga=773', then select ANY screen size my monitor displays a message that it can't recognize the display format.
In Windows XP running a VM I get a beautiful GUI instalation menu, from VL6. No way can I get that from my "real" machine. What I like about the GUI installation it provides a working Linux. I have access to a terminal and can run anything else. I'm stuck with the test or curses type using vga=773.
At any rate, I now enjoying VL6 Gold edition.
PS - I thought Vector had something to do with mathamatics, but in reality Vector is the founder of Vector Linux....who'd a known. :)
129 • re#122 (by hab on 2009-04-17 00:38:35 GMT from Canada)
you said: "assuming I am correct in thinking a Celeron is similar to a P3 but with less onchip memory".
In a sense yes. Think of the current 32 bit processors as having a heritage that stretches all the way back to the original 386. Every succeeding generation of processor has had increases in cache size and extension and enhancement of the cpu instruction set. Not to mention shrinkage of the onchip features and the on going reduction in die size.
While this may not be strictly 100% accurate it is close enough for this kind of discussion.
130 • 111 • Chris's Reviews (by Chris on 2009-04-17 04:41:02 GMT from Australia)
111 • Chris's Reviews by Notorik
Thanks for your thoughts Notorik. I don't think I ever mean to come across as being smug. I try to look at things in an even light, as much as possible. But what you are referring to is my personal opinion. I'm just letting readers know what I have felt in the past, not what I think is actually true. I didn't say "small distros are pointless and a waste of time" as a fact, I admitted that I never saw much use for them in the past. Meaning, I personally never had a use for them. Actually the reason I put this in is because Tiny Core changed my opinion on that.
I've got nothing against new users. I built my own distro specifically for new users. I don't know where this idea that I have a disdain for new users is coming from. I write things in everyday language and try and convey complex ideas in simple terms for the benefit of the less experienced.
Taking a look at the DWWs I have done, I can't really see how it's all been about the top 10 distros, either. I have been meaning to do some reviews of lesser distributions recently actually, including Puppy and OpenSolaris when it comes out.
From most recent, to the oldest:
Review of PC-BSD (not in the top 10)
Review of Parted Magic (not in the top 10)
Review of Tiny Core (not in the top 10)
Interview Robert Shingledecker
General Linux (LVM)
General Linux (LVM)
First look SimplyMEPIS 8.0 (only just in the top 10)
Custom openSUSE 11.1 install
Netinstall with Debian Lenny
Moblin (not in the top 10)
Interview Linus Torvalds
Report from Linux.conf.au
First look Arch
Interview Paul Sherman
First look openSUSE 11.1
Custom Ubuntu install
I can do no more reviews if people like, or I can be completely dry and boring if people want. People complain if you don't mention something, people complain if you do mention something. Some like you putting in an opinion on this or that and others don't. It's damn hard work writing a review!
If you can tell me what constitutes an "honest review" as opposed to what I write, then I'll be happy to give it a shot :-)
131 • RE # 90 Kde4's missing file copy progress dialog box (by Chris H on 2009-04-17 04:49:00 GMT from United States)
Well, I've solved my own problem:
Run dolphin like this:
$ sudo dolphin
When a large directory
is copied between dolphin's split windows,
you get the copy progress dialog box.
The kde4 of kubuntu 904
-- rc out today --
works the same way as sidux kde4;
in fact the kubuntu desktop
looks the same as the sidux desktop!
With vanilla Debian
you have to manually make yourself a sudo'er:
and copy the format of the ROOT entry:
your_username ALL=(ALL) ALL
The sudo package must be installed
for visudo to work;
it is installed by default with sidux.
132 • weekend already !! Dominance (by Tom on 2009-04-17 13:31:35 GMT from United Kingdom)
I haven't had time to read the articles this week yet! I had planned to save them up & not just race through them all on Monday morning. I was glad to see that the BSD one made it look like 'just another *nix distro' where i have been edgy about 'dipping my toe' into 'uncharted waters' coz 'There be dragons' had been clearly marked on my mental maps.
It amuses me when people apologise for not writing good english because it's not their native language. Most english people seem to have a lot of trouble with the language too. The average vocabulary of english people was measured at 150 words, most of them swear-words and things like 'innit' & 'lol'. By refusing to be able to speak other languages we have managed to forced the rest of the world to adopt english as at least a 'second language' if they are to be understood. In the meantime we use quirky phrases and regional dialects. as in my first paragraph to increase the perception of inadequacy of non-native-english speakers. Please don't apologise for not speaking good english. I think english people should be the ones to apologise, except for those incredibly rare english people that can manage a handful of words in other languages. I'm sorry.
It's interesting that microsquish refuses to read other OS's partition types and data formats. We are forced to use ".doc" rather than ".odt" unless we know the document is going only to other OpenSource users.
In english (well latin really) a singular word ending in 'x' usually changes the 'x' to a 'ces' to become plural. However, common usage defines new rules all the time so *nix's is valid and cute although i think the 'unices' approach is nice too, it's even got 'nice' embedded :) The plural of 'linux' being 'distros' is a very unusual case. It's more usual to have a word that doesn't change at all, for example the sheep (plural) or a sheep (singular). Perhaps the plural of linux should be linux or following the normal rules it could be linuces or linices but the fact that it has become distros is very cool :) and encourages people to ask "What's a distro?" keeping them engaged in learning more actively :)
Good luck and regards to all
133 • linux'ssss ;) (by DeniZen on 2009-04-17 14:01:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'm going to nit-pick (*nix pic?!) :)
The Plural of 'Linux' is not really 'Distributions' / Distros
Linux is the kernel upon which a Distro is based.
So (if it were nesessary to pluralise) the plural would be
Linux's or maybe Linuces?
134 • linux'ssss (by DG on 2009-04-17 14:07:01 GMT from Netherlands)
Surely the plural of "Linux" is Torvalds :-)
135 • DW censorship & reviews (by Tom on 2009-04-17 14:58:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
Lol, does anyone really believe that 'fairness', 'Equality' or 'Freedom of Speech' actually exist anywhere? These are luxuries that only a certain privileged few in a few certain countries could 'expect'.
This is meant to be a 'family-friendly' site and i for one would hope that certain words/ideas/pictures would be censored quite fast, although that doesn't seem to have been the problem with the removed postings. I guess we will disagree about exactly where the lines are drawn (and with our own opinions during the course of a day) but they seem fair enough to me, from my experiences in other places too.
I like Chris' reviews and i'm pretty sure i've seen Notorik congratulate Chris on excellent articles on many more than one occasion. Although anyone that can't hold two opposing views in their head at any one time should get help from a doctor, unless they already know they are aliens from another planet.
Good luck and regards from
136 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-17 15:02:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
Re plural..I beg to differ...surely the plural of Linux has to be;
"Oh goody, not another MS OS!"
I did try the lspci and it produced the info, have yet to fire up the lappy tho'...but, I thought if it works to find chip sets why not check out the microwave cooker? I mean that's got a chip in it.
I placed a Pmagic disc on the glass platter, cos I could not see a keyboard as such, and was gratified to see the sparks and flashes as it spun round...until it melted....but I needed a new microwave cooker anyway.
After the smoke alarm has been disabled and the Fire Brigade let us back into our houses again I then found that the disc was a bit warped and I had a bit of trouble fitting said disc into the optical drive of the next machine I was trying to mend...but after a few judicious taps of the keyboard I got the drawer to shut...trouble is tho' I can't get it out again.
I did not think it would be so much trouble just to see what a Trident chip set was...
137 • obfuscations (by Tom on 2009-04-17 15:07:34 GMT from United Kingdom)
@133 & 134
Lol, i have to agree. Denizen, i was hoping no-one would notice that heheheh.
However, Linux's is not really a pluralisation (if there is such a word) an 's is meant to indicate that the word that follows is owned by the noun with the 's - or sometimes the ' is meant to indicate a missing letter where a word has been contracted. Notice that in Star Trek Voyager the borg lady, "Severn of Nine" has an unusual speech pattern marked by a lak of contractions. She always says "can not" rather than "can't"
When i have used 's to indicate a plural i have been cheating and hoped that people wouldn't notice ;) heheheheh
138 • Weekend at last :))) WooooHoooo (by Tom on 2009-04-17 15:15:55 GMT from United Kingdom)
Err, i wish i hadn't just proved my own point about appalling english from people who's only language is english!
lak was meant to be lack and Severn was meant to be Seven and i just wish i hadn't started this whole topic again anyway but i had a great night out last night and don't care. I even nearly won at pool :))
139 • Re: MPlayer streaming through FF3; was: Mint (by Anon on 2009-04-17 15:48:37 GMT from Norway)
@107, DeniZen: I've had Ubuntu on my system a few times before, but tend to erase it when I'm hit by a new strain of the distro-hopping virus...
@112, forest: Thanks for testing MPlayer on Aftenposten's multimedia files. However, I am afraid your sources have it wrong: I am in fact one of the dumbest Linux-users in Oslo town. I believe I have checked the pertinent settings in MPlayer and MPlayerplugin, and MPlayer+MPlayerplugin play test files via FF3 just fine, only not Aftenposten's files. I've asked on Linuxquestions.org, in Archlinux fora, and now even you yourself have had a look at it! ;) What else/more can a poor user do? Must we all be Linux multimedia expert developers?
140 • Plurals (by john frey on 2009-04-17 15:56:56 GMT from Canada)
The plural of Linux distros has commonly been Linuxen. I'm sure there are many other old farts (mature fart maybe?) like myself who have read that usage many times. I'm not going to insist that it has to be but if you want some historical perspective, there it is.
Also, unixen is not uncommon. For some reason I believe this is a deutsche influence on the english language.
141 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-17 16:45:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
OK then, that didn't work so how about having a gand at the FF3 plug-ins/add-ons section and seeing what you could nail onto FF3 in the way of apps to play embedded vids?
I appreciate this "problem" is migrating away from Mint as a distro and more of a solution to the problem of playing embedded vids.
It may be, as Caitlyn reminds us from time to time, that sometimes there is a software/hardware incompatibility situation that cannot be solved in any meaningful time frame.
By that I am (not) suggesting you look at every difference between Granular and Mint...and do the elimination thing. Then factor in what hardware you have...and so on ad nauseum. Crikey it could take minutes...or more likely days.
I mean how vital is this news site anyway? LOL.
142 • Pluralis (by Anon on 2009-04-17 18:14:07 GMT from Norway)
#140, John Frey, wrote: "Also, unixen is not uncommon. For some reason I believe this is a deutsche influence on the english language."
Could be. Although, considering the dominance of English in everything computer-related, I have always thought of 'linuxen' as an application of the rule for 'ox': oxen.
143 • Re: Video streaming with MPlayer and Firefox3 (by Anon on 2009-04-17 18:25:09 GMT from Norway)
#141, forest, wrote: "I mean how vital is this news site anyway? LOL."
Indeed. And how vital is news anyway? Heck, if people can't make it through the day without news, let'em use Windows. Or go buy a Mac.
144 • Wolvix 2 release (by Tom on 2009-04-18 10:34:59 GMT from United Kingdom)
Unbelievable. Wolven does it again, absolutely no fore-warning and no chance for us to discuss it beforehand and then 'look all wise and knowing' when people talk to us about stuff we should know about from being in here all the time! Lol, Wolven is definitely trying to keep Wolvix hidden!
We have only 1 person seeding the torrent and 9 people downloading it but even so my downloading speed is quite impressive!
So what is in the new release? The press release seems to be carefully avoiding saying anything positive but forum posts are looking good :)
Good luck and regards all from
145 • Re: #80 and #144 (by Anonymous on 2009-04-18 12:46:15 GMT from Netherlands)
Why don't you give the URL for the distros homepage instead of appearing
to deliberately try to skew the DW rankings by giving the DW link to it?
This isn't even the first time you've done it in this week's comments but I bit
my tongue the first time. Your credibility and that of the distro goes down...
146 • Ref#145 & Ubuntu 9.10 movies (by Anonymous on 2009-04-18 13:48:53 GMT from United States)
Ref#145 - I notice that myself and just put it off to one Wolvix fanboy.
Anon. Regarding mplayer and ubuntu Jackalope. I have issue with any video and ANY video player using ubuntu 9.10. Tried VLC also. No avi, mpeg, or any movies. Plays mp3 music fine.
I did notice that xorg is unchanged. Previous ubuntu xorg have changes reflecting correct integrated video card.
147 • skew lol (by Tom on 2009-04-18 13:59:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
So posting 2 unrelated comments 3days apart and using the excellent resources easily at hand is 'skewing' but participating in bitter in-fighting or ripping apart someone's life when they just want to get on with their new project is acceptable.
A problem with Wolvix is that it is so stable and easily usable now. So there's nothing to discuss. If you want an environmental/laptop one or a light-weight version then just look at the forums and use copy&paste a couple of times. A media/studio one, again just check forum postings and 5minutes later, there it is. The 'standard' one being worked on right now is a lot too glamorous for me and is more aimed at top-end machines but it's easy for me to change that back around. If i prefer different office apps again it's easy for me to install - i don't need to rewrite and make a fuss about a 'new release' for these types of issues as i would have to do with many in the top ten. Because it works lets ignore it and get on with discussing the ones that don't or the ones suffering internal wrangles.
With Wolvix where was the pre-release unverified and biased press-report on the front page of DW? Where was the discussion about what might be included? Instead we have a little note trying hard not to draw attention to this gem.
If i was talking about any of the top ten distros then it wouldn't have been considered a fanboy posting. If the person asking for help had put his email address in then i would have responded by email but some people are too cautious about posting email addresses and some even hide behind "Anon" when making snide, nasty little judgements about people.
148 • A bad idea, I think. (by glyj on 2009-04-18 17:22:01 GMT from France)
I read this on planet mandriva about how Xandros is going to distribute their OS:
Very sad, indeed.
Where is the freedom ?
This doesn't mean I don't whant to pay for free software, but I want to be (and feel so ! ) free to use the software I pay for.
149 • #130 (by Notorik on 2009-04-18 18:25:45 GMT from United States)
That was a bit harsh in retrospect. Here's what I like about the things you've written so far. You have a distinct talent for clearly extrapolating important details . Your reviews and other pieces so far, have been thoroughly researched and easy to read. Even when you are engaging complicated subject matter you have an easy to read style that bodes well with the non technical reader. I also am a big fan of screenshots and you have had the foresight to include lot of them with you reviews/tutorials.
Forget my previous criticism. I want this to be more of what I would like to see. Obviously since I am not the only reader of Distrowatch, this is just one opinion and therefore will only have the weight and merit you choose to give it as such.
I personally would like to see more reviews of distros. I don't care, start with Ubuntu if you must (as if there hasn't already been enough said about it) and then work your way down the list. If you decide to do reviews please point out the bad as well as the good without trying to be too politically correct. I would love to see some real objective (as much as is possible) reviews. Clearly state your biases if you have any and then go for it. Be prepared to take some hits in the forum. So far all I have seen (other than my poorly thought out previous comments) are glowing effusions of praise for everything you have done. That gets boring. If you are honest, you are going to ruffle some feathers. Now since we are speaking honestly, that is what makes forums interesting. I'm not suggesting that you go out of your way to upset people, all I'm saying is that if you are objective and thorough, there are going to be some positives and negatives about every distro. I guess that's about it. Oh yeah, don't say anything negative about Wolvix because I am also a "fanboy". :)
150 • ROFL! (by Eyes-Only on 2009-04-18 20:28:46 GMT from United States)
"Oh yeah, don't say anything negative about Wolvix because I am also a "fanboy". :)"
I just wanted to add: "...and me too!"
Mostly "tongue-in-cheek" of course, though it is where I'm posting from ATM, when not posting from Puppy-4.2, VectorLinux Light-5.9, Mepis-8.0, or whatever else I may have thrown on a test partition remaining. ;)
And for the person(s) who complained: The site is http://wolvix.org/
Is everyone happy now? Can we return to the discussion of Linuxen distros? ;)
Keep up the great work Chris & Ladislav! And Chris? I particularly enjoy your distro reviews. Very enlightening indeed! Moreso than most others. And praytell: What was the distro YOU created? I'm totally in the dark here, sorry mate!
151 • RE #77 (by Seth on 2009-04-19 00:12:39 GMT from United States)
I personally think if you can get it booted and log in then do what I did and just try to install it. I really don think that an understanding of Portugese is needed. After you install change to english in system settings then open a terminal su to root and type dpkg-reconfigure locales and then uncheck portugese ad select english reboot and your off to the races. I installed and am really enjoying it. They have won over my laptop and my heart.
152 • No subject (by Wolven Fan Boy on 2009-04-19 07:01:59 GMT from United States)
Linux plural is Linuxii. Reason: This is Sparta.
153 • JauntyJackalope (by Anon on 2009-04-19 11:16:16 GMT from Norway)
#146, Anonymous, wrote: "Anon. Regarding mplayer and ubuntu Jackalope. I have issue with any video and ANY video player using ubuntu 9.10. Tried VLC also. No avi, mpeg, or any movies. Plays mp3 music fine.
I did notice that xorg is unchanged. Previous ubuntu xorg have changes reflecting correct integrated video card."
I believe you mean Unbuntu 9.04? My previous experiences with Ubuntu have been that making video players work has only been a matter of installing codecs. I don't know what the actual file is called, but suggest you make a search in Synaptic, or in the Ubuntu fora. It is _somewhere... :)
I got the Ubuntu RC yesterday and will look at it RSN!
154 • No subject (by Spartacus & his wife on 2009-04-19 11:52:01 GMT from United Kingdom)
No i'm Spartacus!
155 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-19 12:07:10 GMT from United Kingdom)
You might have a squint at youtube and search for "Sparta or Spartans..."
As anon of Norway says, you could rootle around in Synaptic and select every codec going...but...sometimes there is a clash and you may find that embedded vids may not work...I recall a streamer codec could be a likely culprit.
A message appears and lets you know there is a problem.
That's why you need to check out the Sparta stuff first...before you d/l everything in sight and confuse your PC...
Lastly, anon, did you manage to resolve you news site problem...although, ahem...you could try another news outlet, and not have to regress to MS/Mac...
156 • PC-BSD and Ubuntu (by Zac on 2009-04-19 12:44:16 GMT from Australia)
Ubuntu 9.04 beta is running great, like how it is evolving. They have fixed the intel graphic issue that was in the previous alpha's.
I have been intrigued with the PBI in PC-BSD but I haven't tried it yet. I like the idea of PBI for installing applications and would like to see this system used for Linux. Apart from disk space I don't see any disadvantages - even disk space is not an issue these days.
157 • Ref#153 - Xorg - Jackalope (by Anonymous on 2009-04-19 13:33:52 GMT from United States)
No, Has nothing to do with codecs or any video player. The problem is in xorg. Apparently they dropped i810 xorg driver because of DRI lockups.
I would be interested if anyone that has a built-in Intel graphic card if they can play movies. The only way I can play movies is to use vesa driver, but then I only have 640X480 screen size!
There's a bug in the intel driver for i865, 9xx series. There is a intel driver but its worthless.
158 • Medibuntu (by Tom on 2009-04-19 13:42:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
@146 Anon @153 Anon @155 Forest, ahh someone with a real name at last ;)
I tend to find that following this guide through one step at a time sorts most stuff
Then just use Envy to uninstall, then reboot then envy again to install graphics drivers. You've probably got the wrong, or out-dated ones as usually happens. And if your screen flickers through to the desktop then get a command-line and type
on the "video" tab change "Output" from "Auto" to "... (noXv)"
Ubuntu is another of those distros that 'just works' 'straight out of the box' isn't it? rofls. If i say "just try Wolvix instead" now and you don't try it then that counts as fanboyism, because it's an 'inflated claim' that 'isnt' true. However, if i say that and you do bother to try it then it isn't fanboyism? Sorry about the link to the Ubuntu site there. No doubt that increases their page-hit counter so obviously i'm working with Cannonical to make them look bad? I'm a bit confused this morning. Must be the Whine 1.0.1 which seems to have been on hold lately?
I thought this had always been a commercial & non-OpenSource distro, meaning that they don''t get the benefits of the community? I think there is room in linux for people to make some money? The main concern is "Freedom of Choice"?
Keep your schtick on the ice ;)
159 • First look at PC-BSD 7.1 - comment (by MGP on 2009-04-19 13:52:05 GMT from Bulgaria)
I personally don't agree with some of the statements in the "First look at PC-BSD 7.1" article...in the matter of fact I have quite a few years experience with GNU/Linux distributins and even more with FreeBSD
"I went searching here for some information on how to get the NVIDIA driver working for my video card, but all that's mentioned is that it's included by default."
- nVidia doesn not provide 64bit driver for FreeBSD
"there are no module commands to check what's loaded, nothing to force loading, no modules directory"
- the fact that you don't know what the commands are (or where the modules reside) doesn't mean there are no commands!
"I'm no expert, it would be a stretch to compare it to something as powerful as APT for Debian"
- clearly no expert can say such thing
"As far as I can tell, there is no way to search for packages except from the FreeBSD ports web site."
- it's uncool to say/write something like this, there are plenty of ways to search in the ports collection (again, the fact that you don't know doesn't mean there are no ways!)
"I've a little bit of experience with Arch and Gentoo Linux which have ports-based package management systems...", "It is not as automated or powerful as Gentoo's Portage"
- how can you say that as you have just a little bit of experience with portage and no experience with FreeBSD's ports system...?!
"Using the system, I noticed that sometimes it was not very quick to respond and paused from time to time"
- true, it's slower, this is a well-known issue and it's due to the fact that KDE, mozilla, etc developers code almost only against Linux...especially KDE developers...of course it will be better on Linux...this is true for other UNIX system like Solaris, etc...
I must admit I'm a little bit disappointed with this review even though it's mostly positive.
160 • #155, Re: Noos (by Anon on 2009-04-19 14:18:33 GMT from Norway)
no. Or rather: yes and no. Strangely, yesterday I found that MPlayer would stream *live* video broadcasts from that site just fine...! Maybe they use a different format for their direct broadcasts.
BTW, I just tried the latest Wolvix LiveCD. It, too, uses MPlayer, but has the same problem. Funny that Xine manages the format (in Granular Linux), but not MPlayer. Also funny that a Norwegian distro isn't able to play video from the closest we have to a serious newspaper... Not sure if I shall blame Linux :)
Of course I shan't. Linix is beyond reproach!!!
161 • Re: 158 - Medibuntu (by Anon on 2009-04-19 14:35:59 GMT from Norway)
Tom, how can you say that forest is Forest and even imply it's less generic than Anon??? :(
Thank you for the Medibuntu link! I will study it and see if some of it is translatable to Arch. Whatever doesn't pass me by, that is :)
162 • Sidux and Gnome (by Chris H on 2009-04-19 15:59:06 GMT from United States)
I know, Sidux doesn't support Gnome.
But, you can upgrade Sidux xfce to gnome.
The package 'gnome-desktop-environment' is available again.
It will give you gnome.
163 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-19 16:39:43 GMT from United Kingdom)
Tom thanks very much for Medibuntu...I had no idea, LOL.
I have tried the Wolvix beta a few weeks back...excellent, and, as has been mentioned earlier, you would have to go a long way to make it better.
BTW, "forest" is an adjective/noun...take your pick = thick and green.
164 • Replies to #111, #121, #123, #125, #128, #144 (by Caitlyn Martin on 2009-04-19 18:07:08 GMT from United States)
#111: Re: Chris' reviews: I personally think Chris does a great job. What made this week's review truly exceptional is that Chris went in depth. Yes, it was a longer review but it had information that I could truly use to figure out whether or not I'd like PC-BSD. I have no real use for short, glossy reviews that don't tell me much. Chris did an outstanding job this week and I hope this is what his reviews will be like in the future. Anyway, that's my .02 worth...
#121: @hab: I agree with all of your comments here in response to my earlier posts. Laptop (and now netbook) hardware is more of a challenge without a doubt. This is why when someone trashes a distro because it didn't work on a given laptop it really isn't a fair evaluation. It is certainly appropriate to report the experience. It isn't appropriate to say Distro X is no good because it doesn't work on a given laptop.
#123: @DeniZen: My old Toshiba Libretto SS1010 has one of those NeoMagic chipsets. You're right that they can be problematic on a lot of distros. Thankfully both Damn Small Linuc and Vector Linux Light handle it correctly so the old machine continues to work. The main issue with a lot of the chipsets Toshiba chose, including many of the Trident and NeoMagic chipsets, is that they are not VESA compliant. If a distro doesn't have fbdev as an alternative you're out of luck. I wanted to replace DSL with Tiny Core as my maintenance partition on the Libretto but it didn't work out for precisely that reason. Pity. The newer kernel would have been really helpful.
I wonder if the reason dexconf (Debian, Ubuntu, etc...) doesn't work on the Toshibas is that it expects a VESA compliant graphics chip. Most of today's hardware is VESA compliant.
#125: DeniZen has linked one of my favorite websites when he linked http://www.linux-laptop.net The reason some of the distros look old is because some of the links for older hardware go to articles that are 10 years old or more. Others go to nice, new stuff. Even the instructions for an old distro on old hardware may give the correct clues to how to get the same hardware working with a current distro. Those links can still be really helpful. Highly recommended.
#128: @Verndog: that really is weird. If all things were the same the results should have been the same. Were you using the same CD (or image if you did a USB or HD install)? A bad burn could have caused the previous results. Otherwise all I can say is you're right, it's strange, but I'm glad you got it working OK.
#144: @Tom: You're right, marketing isn't Wolven's strength. Fortunately he is very, very good at creating a solid distro. I'm downloading it now and looking forward to giving it a spin.
165 • Medibuntu - try before you buy (or err.. dont buy :) (by DeniZen on 2009-04-19 22:43:45 GMT from United Kingdom)
Meubuntu can work some magic - where magic needs working.
For the vast majority of Multimedia support, most 'clean' (ish) Ubuntu installs (i.e - not near borked already ;) ) dont need much fiddling with, nor Medibuntu repos etc installed manually' (nor Mplayer , nor VLC).
Before trying anything, simply go to 'add / remove software' from the main menu, and first change the Repo 'range' in the dropdown to something less restrictive than the 'Maintained by Canonical' default - change it to 'All Available applications' and accept the change when prompted (IF you want to!)
Search for 'restricted and yo ushould get 'Ubuntu Restricted Extras' in the search results.
Install that, and you _should_ have Multimedia, incl. WM, Flash, MP3, Lame, Java .. lots ;)
(needless to say, chose Kubuntu Restricted Extras or Xubuntu Restrictred Extras *instead* if you are using Kubuntu or Xubuntu.
Some may not like enabling the 3rd party repos and potentially 'proprietory' stuff, but if you want codecs, you will have to cross that line soon enough anyhow.
And the above method is the easy, 'official(ish)' , non fiddly / non-breaky way ;)
166 • @150 (by pcbsduser on 2009-04-19 23:29:09 GMT from Canada)
Chris's distribution was Kororaa. I remember it was the first to have Xgl/Compiz and created a bit of a stir.
167 • Wolvix Beta 2 & Slim (by DeniZen on 2009-04-20 00:09:59 GMT from United Kingdom)
Pleased to read that the Slim login manager has been patched in Wolvix 2.0. Beta 2.
I think that was my only true (but minor) 'gripe' when I tried Beta 1.
Considering Slim was (I'd imagine) chosen over GDM for its 'lightnness', it was a bit of a disappointment to witness the darn login struggling to make a timely appearance ;)
Aww .. I cant wait much longer for 'Final' - I think I'll install Beta 2 tomorrow ;)
So .. may I join the Wolvix 'fanboi' fanboi club too then please ?
I'm not prone to fanatisism, nor am I young enough to be a 'Boi' any more, but have been a Wolvix advocate since the older versions of even Hunter and Cub, and quite frankly I'm kinda delighted to see the Distro gaining such a following at last.
DeniZen - Oldest Living Wolvix 'Fanboi'
Whoa .. Jeez, and I've only just got over the shock of finding myself becoming a happy .. Ubuntu user too.
Its all too much .. and poor ol' Etch, Lenny and Mac are all sulking upstairs .. feeling a bit neglected.
Ah well .. they'll live ;)
168 • wolvix (by hab on 2009-04-20 00:26:12 GMT from Canada)
Seems like a competent effort to me. I like the wolvix control panel. Everything in one place. I tried an install but it borked the bootloader. I haven't pinned down why yet but it could even be pilot error! I like it, haven't poked around much but it will stay on a box for a while. I find the interface a tad sparse in terms of appearance but then again i haven't poked around yet to see whats available!
Ahhhh..............linux, ...............so many distros...............so little time. sigh!
169 • No subject (by forest on 2009-04-20 07:24:49 GMT from United Kingdom)
Thanks for the gen. Much easier...
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