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1 • Parsix Reporitories (by Saleem Khan on 2009-03-23 08:31:47 GMT from Pakistan)
i JUST installed Parsix latest version. the project release notes create a little confusion about the repos.
http://www.parsix.org/html/pnWikka-tag-ReleaseNotes20r0.html
Important Notice About Parsix Reporitories
it insists on keeping the repos as mentioned in above link but cd comes with
# Debian Testing
# deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
enabled by default
are we supposed to disable the debian repos? and if yes why to keep them enabled in first place?
the project IRC room is dead like a graveyard as usual !
anybody knows what to do with this issue???
regards,
2 • Interview with Robert Shingledecker!! (by vaithy on 2009-03-23 08:41:19 GMT from India)
I really enjoyed the interview with Robert(even it is more lenghty).But his utterness against DSL 's John is unnecessary..It 'll be worthwhile if you published John's response also..
3 • Tiny Core Linux (by Didier Spaier on 2009-03-23 08:44:10 GMT from France)
Very interesting interview. I'm eager to try Tiny Core Linux and wish the best to Robert Shingledecker.
4 • Wolvix down-load (by Tom on 2009-03-23 08:48:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
The Wolvix website is undergoing some changes but Wolvix 2.0-beta1 and the 1.1.0's, both Cub and Hunter can be downloaded from
http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrents&active=1tracker=0&category=377&order=data&by=DESC
For information about Wolvix and the new(ish) beta release see
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=wolvix
Thanks Ladislav & Chris Smart too. I enjoyed reading the interview with Tiny Core's creator, thanks all for another great week at DW :)
5 • Headline article (by Rob on 2009-03-23 08:49:39 GMT from United States)
Nice job Chris, little more confrontational than your traditional Distrowatch article, but perhaps a better read because of it.
6 • Tiny Core and RobertS (by Sport on 2009-03-23 09:12:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
Wow! Fantastic interview. One of the best reads ever, anywhere. All human relations are there as well as the technicalities. More like this, please, Chris.
7 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2009-03-23 09:25:05 GMT from United States)
Nice interview and this makes Linux so amazing, that no matter who or how you are, you can still make a difference. I will try to use Tiny Core @home.
The "fighting" however that seems to take place at the back office of DSL reminds me of the "fighting" that takes place in any office, where people who don't fit are exiled.
Privatix looks promising. I would try to install it on a USB device. But everhyting is in the German language, it seems.
8 • Robert Shingledecker interview (by steven lawson on 2009-03-23 09:43:33 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hi,
Interesting interview - but I think it warrants a detailed reply from John Andrews as he comes in for a lot of criticism. Right of reply is only fair - and good journalistic practice ;-)
9 • Not impressed. (by AbacusMonkey on 2009-03-23 09:50:21 GMT from Australia)
No matter how bad in fighting is on a project the removal of contributions by such a core member is never acceptable. Regardless of the reasons John Andrews did these things, Robert still played a major role in the project and deserves to be credited as such.
Pull your head in John. Credit where credit is due.
10 • thanks for the interview with Robert (by greenpossum on 2009-03-23 10:39:38 GMT from Australia)
It's nice to "meet" the people behind the distros and let them speak about their passion. Perhaps a semi-regular feature for DW, an interview with a distro developer?
11 • No subject (by Sertse on 2009-03-23 10:44:27 GMT from Australia)
Hope DW will try to give John a reply...
Oh look, it's Igelle; *Not* a derivative for once. Just drawing people's attention to that. You can't complain now :P
Though it say it's using debs?
12 • Tiny core (by Matyas on 2009-03-23 11:34:19 GMT from United States)
Loved the imterview. Best of luck to Robert.
13 • @11 (by arno911 on 2009-03-23 11:42:06 GMT from Germany)
hi Sertse!
it could also use rpm and wouldnt neccessarely be a RedHat.
its making use of debians package format .deb, but it doesnt use Debians package management tools (apt-get, aptitude), nor its repos.
Igelle would be the first thing to look at, if there was no tiny core this week :)
b.r.
arno911
14 • Cost of Windows to computer seller ? (by Theodore Dreiser on 2009-03-23 11:51:11 GMT from United States)
When you go to CyberPowerPC.com to purchase a laptop or desktop and get your
computer with no operating system installed ,just a formatted hard drive, they DEDUCT
83$ from your price. So is this what Microsoft is charging the various computer makers?
I certainly did enjoy buying my laptop for $83 less and putting PCLinuxOS 2009.1
on it in just a very short time.
15 • Zenwalk Gnome (by Chris on 2009-03-23 11:55:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
The posted screenshot would appear to be XFCE rather than Gnome.
16 • Linux DaVinci & Borland C++ 3.1 (by oithona on 2009-03-23 12:03:26 GMT from United Kingdom)
Wow, Linux DaVinci comes with my all-time favourite C++ compiler/IDE
From Package list:
Borland C
Categoria: IDE CC++ per Ambienti DOS
Versione: 3.1
Commenti: Emulato con DosBox.
Did I miss Borland's release of this to the public, or have Linux DaVinci obtained a special deal to distribute it?
17 • RE: 15 Zenwalk Gnome (by ladislav on 2009-03-23 12:11:57 GMT from Taiwan)
It just show you how customisable GNOME is - it can even be turned into an Xfce lookalike ;-)
18 • Mandriva and KDE4 (by David on 2009-03-23 12:15:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
"There are many KDE-based distributions which have struggled
with the migration to KDE 4. One such distribution is Mandriva"
I completely object to this. Mandriva's KDE4 migration strategy
has seemed to me to be perfect.
2008.0: KDE 3.5.7 with an experiental KDE 4 preview
2008.1 KDE 3.5.9 with 4.0.3 available in contrib
(release notes rightly state, "The new KDE 4 series is not yet
considered quite complete and bug-free enough to become
the default desktop for Mandriva Linux 2008 Spring")
2009.0 KDE 4.1.2 as default desktop, 3.5.10 provided in contrib
("We do recognize, though, that some users will prefer to stick
with the familiar KDE 3 environment for now.")
2009.1 - to provide KDE 4.2 only
Only now with the release of KDE 4.2 to many people think that
KDE4 is ready as a KDE3.X replacement; witness Debian staying
with KDE3 for Lenny and Slackware only just now moving to KDE4.
Contrasting with the often abysmal experience of early KDE4 users
in e.g., Fedora - where they had no choice - I'd personally say that
Mandriva have done EXACTLY the right thing.
So where is the "struggling" ??! - sounds more like a sound strategy!
19 • Tinycore and DSL (by jeffcustom on 2009-03-23 12:27:30 GMT from United States)
I did some googling and actually found where Robert responded to John's comments. You might want to have a read. I don't see any reason why DWW needs to rehash this. Looks like John made a post in the DSL forum then locked the thread.
http://www.shingledecker.org/andrews.html
20 • re 14 (by corneliu on 2009-03-23 12:49:56 GMT from Canada)
No, the 83 dollars include the work of the guy that installs Windows and the proper drivers on that machine. So Microsoft gets less than that. Sometimes they get nothing, sometimes they even pay the hardware manufacturer to install Windows. Remember when Microsoft bribed the Nigerian Government ($400 000) to replace Mandriva with Windows on some 15 000 computers?
So it all depends on what deals Microsoft has with the hardware manufacturers. I'm hoping they will get less and less until they die. The sooner the better.
21 • Re: Linux DaVinci & Borland C++ 3.1 (by johkra on 2009-03-23 12:56:41 GMT from Germany)
@oithona The Italian part says: Category: C/C++ IDE for DOS environment
Comment: Emulated with DosBox
22 • DSL and Tiny Core (by busybody on 2009-03-23 13:18:37 GMT from United States)
I have enjoyed using DSL for many years. There is always a copy in my toolkit.
Tiny Core looks to be the next generation of that work.
It is awesome to read the inside scoop, from the developers side.
Thank you DW for a great interview.
Thank You Robert S. for years of outstanding work and generous contribution.
It will always remain in my toolkit, and has saved my butt more than once.
Best of luck!
23 • Realistic information on KDE (by Anonymous on 2009-03-23 13:32:05 GMT from Australia)
When KDE 3.x came out, how long (and which 3.x.x.x) version was it, before it had become really usable / stable ?
People all seem to forget this, in regard to KDE 4.x.x.x etc. same deal folks.
And BTW - Ladislav should have this documented (how long + which 3.x/.x.x etc.) before it is likely to be really usable for EVERYONE (ie. not for just the few)
Perhaps all computer writers should start telling their readers things like this ? instead of glossing over things with a "Talk it up - regardless" which is the normal practice.
PS. KDE 2.x.x.x to KDE 3.x.x.x was exactly the same - it takes long time :-(
24 • Tiny Core (by My LInux Page on 2009-03-23 13:41:44 GMT from United States)
Great interview I really enjoy reading them. Keep up the good work DistroWatch.
25 • Nice interview but quite over on criticising others (by LiQuid Kermit on 2009-03-23 13:41:45 GMT from Indonesia)
this is the first time i read in depth interview at dww
A nice read really, but slightly over on criticising john. It's okay criticising him when answering one or two questions, but again and again is too much.
26 • Re: Parsix Reporitories (by Ariszló on 2009-03-23 13:51:54 GMT from Hungary)
If this is what you see:
# Debian Testing
# deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
# deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
then the Debian Testing repository is disabled. Lines beginning with # are ignored by apt.
27 • JUX (by Eugen Labun on 2009-03-23 14:08:39 GMT from Germany)
Thanks for adding JUX to the waiting list!
A small correction:
the last version (JUX lala 2) is based on grml-distribution (http://www.grml.org),
previous versions (JUX 1.0, JUX^2, JUx lala 1.0) are based on Knoppix.
28 • DWW Interview (by Brian B on 2009-03-23 14:08:53 GMT from United States)
Very interesting. I will now be trying Tiny Core Linux because it sounds like a great distro, and because this interview has to be one of the best I have read in a long time. Thank you Chris!
29 • re DaVinci (by oithona on 2009-03-23 14:12:14 GMT from United Kingdom)
I know what the Italian bit says, thanks.
Just curious to know if it's legal or not.
30 • DSL & Robert (by davemc on 2009-03-23 14:23:22 GMT from United States)
Wow! What an interview! That was amazing and Roberts responses were simply outstanding. Sadly, this is nothing new, and it happens to pretty much every major project I know, eventually. Although the implications of impropriety on John's part may turn out to be unfounded, everything else Robert spoke about I am sure is 100% accurate, at least from his perspective. For one thing, DSL was an open project and any contributions or profit from the store should have gone back into the project to further development rather than "profit shared", but whatever the deal was, it was. Look, things of that nature are best settled in court anyway.
31 • Tiny Core (by Robert A. Eiser on 2009-03-23 14:24:04 GMT from United States)
Hi, I thought I would remove all doubt. The article about the demise of the team from DSL reads like the clash of several large egos! I'm just glad the 1.3 RC1 no longer includes the Firefox tce. I'm writing this from 1.3 with the Opera browser download and it has good resolution. I like the ideas behind Tiny Core and will follow further develpment. Please give us a working firefox, jre and flash 10 Once I get these, the internet is my oyster. Bob Eiser
32 • Tiny Core (by Moose on 2009-03-23 14:32:01 GMT from Canada)
The interview was interest. Mr Shingledecker comes across as very brillent, but also a bit angry. No doubt he wanted to get his side of the story out, but it comes across like bad office politics.
KDE4 is coming along nicely and I really enjoy it. Just wish they'd kept the traditional (or similar) desktop icons. It really puts newbies off when they can't easily create icons to commonly used documents.
33 • this weeks issue. (by dave on 2009-03-23 14:42:50 GMT from United States)
Excellant interview with Mr.Shingledecker.I found it to be very interesting.It has all the aspects that make a great read.Awonderful idea to get his side of the story.It appears he has been done a terrible injustice.I have nothing but the utmost respect for you Robert.your contributions to dsl and the linux community are absolutely incredible and should not go unoticed.Your roots go all the way back to the beginning.It's men like you that have made computing what it is today.I truly wish you the best and hope that you are comfortable in your"older age".I personally believe the user community owes a debt to you.That having been said an interview with John Andrews is what im waiting for now.I would love to hear his side of the story.How and why would he do those things to you? I see this week we've got Jux a release developed for children.What a great idea!I have a 5 year old daughter who loves to use the computer and ive got a machine set up just for her currently running Quimo,and she loves it.She cant spell and cant read but navigates the os and the net with ease.She has learned to use the google searchbar to get too her favorite website pbs kids.she types pbs in the bar and away she goes!The interesting thing is she learned to do it on her own!If my 5 year old can run linux surely anyone can.I dont understand why windoze users are under the impression linux is so difficult,how hard is it to click on an icon?
34 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2009-03-23 15:12:32 GMT from United Kingdom)
Wots an icon?
35 • Icons (by Robert A. Eiser on 2009-03-23 15:26:21 GMT from United States)
Answer: A command line for morons. If Frank Zappa was still alive, he would approve this message! Bob
36 • excellent issue & request (by Michael M. on 2009-03-23 15:50:50 GMT from United States)
Terrific interview. Maybe some of the issues Mr. Shingledecker has with Mr. Andrews could've been de-emphasized in favor of more about Tiny Core Linux, which sounds like an amazing project (though, probably too advanced for me at this time). Personally, I'm just not interested in the inevitable personality or organizational conflicts that develop whenever more than one person works on a project. We all know they happen, we've probably all been involved in our share (if we're over the age of 12, anyway), and we probably all know that it's impossible to assess the merits of conflicting claims and reported injustices without getting steeped in the particulars. So I, for one, am not interested in reading a rebuttal-type interview with Mr. Andrews, nor do I think I'm in a position to judge Mr. Andrews based on what Mr. Shingledecker says or judge Mr. Shingledecker based on what Mr. Andrews might say. I'd rather just focus on the positive outcomes of the contributions they've made to the OSS ecosystem, especially in the face of (in Mr. Shingledecker's case) significant challenges.
My request is for more information about Igelle, which looks like a really interesting project. I'd love for it to get some in-depth coverage about the developers and their overall goals, not just for the desktop distro but all the related sub-projects as well.
As always, great work!
37 • 5 year olds (by trumpcouptimmy on 2009-03-23 16:41:28 GMT from United States)
re 33. Your 5 year old can probably open the "child proof" prescription bottle caps for us :). Let her learn Linux. When presented with a M$ machine, she won't want to use it.
38 • Very interesting read (by Tervel on 2009-03-23 16:55:24 GMT from Austria)
Great interview! Keep up the good work, DW-Team!
39 • I have to agree... (by Nobody Important on 2009-03-23 17:04:02 GMT from United States)
...the interview was a stunning read.
I've been using DSL heavily for the past few days, installing and reinstalling several different distros and then using DSL to help hack away at my xorg.conf's. It's a pity that the project as-is is going away (or won't be in the state it is now) because 4.4.10, I can say without a doubt, was one of the best pieces of software I've used in a long, long time.
Hopefully the Puppy community comes through with a good 4.2; I need a tiny distro like DSL that can read ext4.
Tried Tiny Core and loved it. I hope that project the best!
40 • RE: 7 (by Alan UK on 2009-03-23 17:36:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
Privatix website, top right corner, choice of English or German.
Regards,
Alan.
41 • Another good interview (by Frisco on 2009-03-23 17:43:55 GMT from United States)
The questions were great, and the responses quite candid.
Fortunately the substance of each question and response offset most of the angst and bitterness expressed by Robert.
I do agree, though, that a posted response from his opponents in that "office struggle" seems appropriate.
42 • Tiny Core - and Zenwalk (by Claus Futtrup on 2009-03-23 18:30:14 GMT from Denmark)
Hi there - thanks a bunch for the interview about Tiny Core. It is truly amazing that a Linux (w. kernel 2.6) and GUI can be packed into just 10 Mb. Maybe a distro also worth considering for GUI installers - since it runs entirely in RAM.
Regarding Zenwalk GNOME looking like Xfce. It is the profile of Zenwalk to have a uniform look across the different versions, and to look clean and uncluttered. For some, this is a preference. Admittedly not eye catchy at first.
Best regards,
Claus
(Zenwalker)
43 • Distros? (by Tom on 2009-03-23 18:37:13 GMT from United Kingdom)
Last week we inadvertantly got the other side of the story and this interview redresses the balance. While John's side seems easy to find this is the first time i've seen Roberts side. Hopefully we can move on and just appreciate that we now have an additional great new distro that sounds worth exploring. Take care tho or you might suffer just like this poor lady
http://forums.wolvix.org/index.php/topic,1040.msg4956.html#msg4956
Another chuckle here
http://www.shingledecker.org/facts.html
G'nite all :)
Regards from
Tom :)
44 • Bee Linux (by gord-s on 2009-03-23 18:44:28 GMT from United Kingdom)
Amazigh - * o * wow, maybe it's time I loaded a Fedora-based distro for the first time in years
mqorn!
45 • No subject (by john frey on 2009-03-23 19:14:11 GMT from Canada)
Tiny Core and DSL stand out head and shoulders above a sea of Ubuntu clones. While all those clones certainly serve a purpose it is far more exciting to me to hear about projects that are truly different in aim and scope.
While Tiny Core may be viewed as an evolution of DSL it is not the new DSL. There are plenty of people who want a tiny distro with prepackaged apps and a fully functional desktop. There is still a place for both. DSL is no longer alone in their space but certainly pioneered the tiny distro idea.
Tiny Core sounds similar in many ways to rPath Linux. The same sort of modular approach. Built much smaller than rpath and different in some fundamental ways, of course.
I don't care if we hear any more about the interpersonal conflicts in DSL. We get enough of that on DWW that we are all familiar with the process:)
46 • Pasix installer (by MacLone on 2009-03-23 19:15:42 GMT from Mexico)
Does Parsix 2x has a new installer? or it is the same simple one which you could not format and select a /home partition the easy way?
47 • Re: Cost of Windows to computer seller ? (by nix on 2009-03-23 19:40:09 GMT from United States)
"So is this what Microsoft is charging the various computer makers?"
MS has various deals with various OEM's. The largest OEM's get the better deals because they deal in volume. So to answer your question; this may be the approximate cost from cyber power and MS. You never know if cyber power tacks on a few bucks for Redmond and bills it as hardware costs.
48 • Re:Parsix installer (by zbreaker on 2009-03-23 19:53:43 GMT from United States)
+1 here.....never could understand why they wouldn't want one to be easily able to create a separate /home. Other than that, it is a lovely use of Gnome.
And of course...another tasty issue...makes my Monday worth it.
49 • KDE 4 (by Scott Dowdle on 2009-03-23 20:13:38 GMT from United States)
I started using KDE 4 with the 4.1.0 release. I'm now on KDE 4.2.1 on both Fedora 9 and Fedora 10 as Fedora has upgraded to each version after it was released.
I still don't understand why people think KDE 4 is just becoming usable. I've been using it for quite a while now. Regarding K3b not being a QT4 application... I didn't eve notice. I use k3b almost every day and haven't had a problem with it. If the QT4 version of k3b has more features, fine... I'm just not sure what was wrong with the existing k3b.
There are a number of KDE apps that are still using QT3 and that isn't much of a problem other than some additional space having additional libs installed.
50 • Gentoo release engineering (by Larry Gearhart on 2009-03-23 20:19:33 GMT from United States)
Gentoo's release engineering project has been fast asleep for about a year, yet they're creating spin-offs? How does that make sense?
51 • DWW , DSL & Tiny Core (by Verndog on 2009-03-23 20:36:31 GMT from United States)
This was one of the better DWW that I've read in a long time. I have recently been using Tiny Core. I have issues with no sound and trying to find a fix. Interesting is the fact that's the reason I wanted to use Tiny Core. It's blazing fast boot time and XMMS use for music.
As far as the negative attidudes of bitterness expressed by John and Robert. I didn't get a chance to read John's side, but then it doesn't really matter. I think this sort of thing happens with brilliant people. It does seem that Robert is still angry over what happened. Sad, really. We may never know the whole story. As the saying goes, no matter how flat you make a pancake there's always another side!
It's a wait and see regarding DSL. If it blows up in John's face then we may find out who really was the brains behind the operations.
52 • re 49 KDE (by corneliu on 2009-03-23 20:37:21 GMT from Canada)
It's not only a space problem. It is actually more of a performance problem. If all but one of your applications use QT4 and that single application uses QT3 then the system has to load the Qt3 libraries just to be able to run that particular application. It means that the Qt3 application starts slower than the other applications that share QT4 libraries because part or all of those Qt4 libraries may be already loaded in RAM.
So your system has to load two sets of libraries: Qt3 and Qt4. If you don't have much RAM this could be a problem. Also the garbage collector has to run more often when RAM tends to get full, so the general feeling is that the system is slower because the garbage collector is CPU intensive.
You won't notice any of this stuff if you have enough RAM of course.
53 • No subject (by forest on 2009-03-23 20:55:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
Re #36 Can only agree with your sentiments, good tekkie stuff (what I grasped of course...) but the office politics/infighting...we've all been there and worse.
Certainly agree with notion of keeping size down and doing away with all the 3D effects...(pure fluff of course, LOL. Do I really need the jelly like pages or the 3D cube?)
Particularly like the "Tiny Core" notion of DOAS...I have been playing around with yet more usb installable distros and latest is the KdeMar. It is, subjectively speaking, a very pleasing setup and works quite well...and on a usb stick at that. (P4, 2GHz, 1Gb ram.) Ideal for distrohoppers if you don't want to mess about with partitioning h/ds.
One caveat re usb sticks...have not had any views on how portable the DOAS are...some of my experiments would only boot on same machine that "made" the stick; some gave limited functionality, (not a complete desktop say...) and some just flagged "boot error" or somesuch.
If anyone has any thoughts ref a stick "burned" on a 32bit m/c working off a 64bit m/c or vice versa. Or even if it matters?
Ref your thoughts on igElle, simply try it for yourself...you'll soon see if it was worth the CDrom, to you of course. I found it less intuitive to use than say my preferred U8s. Don't know about the goals, etc...if it does what you want it to, who cares about the theology...it's the technology that does the biz.
54 • None... (by smartjak on 2009-03-23 22:58:46 GMT from United States)
35 • Icons (by Robert A. Eiser on 2009-03-23 15:26:21 GMT from United States)
Answer: A command line for morons. If Frank Zappa was still alive, he would approve this message! Bob...
I love this post. First good laugh I've had all day.
55 • Tiny Core, Future of DSL (by Caitlyn Martin on 2009-03-23 23:03:16 GMT from United States)
Like others, I am in no position to judge the relative merits of claims made by Mr. Andrews or Mr. Shingledecker. Tiny Core is impressive. DSL has been a useful tool for a long time but the limitations of the 2.4.x kernel are making it less and less valuable as a utility partition or live CD. It's still great for really old, limited legacy hardware.
I'd like to see an interview with John Andrews of DSL. First, I do feel it's only fair to give him equal time. I am less interested in his rebuttal than in where he sees DSL going from here and what he is doing with it. I'd like to know what we can expect from the next release and when he thinks we'll see it.
In any case this is an excellent DWW. Kudos to Chris and Ladislav. Lots of interesting releases this past week, too. I'm just not sure if or when I'll have time to look at them.
56 • Nice interview (by Anonymous on 2009-03-23 23:32:08 GMT from United States)
But there is obviously more to the story, so is the rebuttal planned for next week?
57 • Older kernel (by Anonymous on 2009-03-24 01:42:34 GMT from United States)
"...DSL has been a useful tool for a long time but the limitations of the 2.4.x kernel are making it less and less valuable as a utility partition or live CD..."
Just what are the limitations of kernel 2.4.x ???
I keep hearing that but no definitive answer.
58 • Tinycore install (by Johnston on 2009-03-24 02:08:04 GMT from United States)
"Just copy bzImage and tinycore.gz onto your hard drive and adjust your GRUB boot loader. Add a tce directory and you are ready to go. Even using persistent home will use an existing /home directory and will simply add a "tc" directory under home."
This is what I wanted to do (on my hard drive, no partitioning, no usb drive). So I went to the install page of tinycorelinux.com (to get details like where to put the files and what the grub line(s) should be) and I see nothing like this. It's just the same old partitioning that I thought he was against. Anyone know how to make it work like he states in the quote?
59 • re#57 older kernel (by hab on 2009-03-24 02:40:20 GMT from Canada)
See here: http://www.2cpu.com/articles/98_1.html and here: http://kerneltrap.org/node/1790
cheers
60 • RE: 57 (by IMQ on 2009-03-24 02:43:40 GMT from United States)
From my understanding, the kernel 2.6.x series supports more hardware than the 2.4.x, especially wireless and newer hardware, which is one of the limitations of 2.4.x.
Also, I think, the support for some lagacy (or very old) hardware are dropped.
But that was just my recollection from reading about the 2.6.x sometime ago.
61 • #57 - Another example of 2.4.x limitations (by Caitlyn Martin on 2009-03-24 03:07:32 GMT from United States)
Let's say you have a system with no bootable CD-ROM and no bootable USB slots. This could be a modern device, some sort of black box or appliance system, or a piece of legacy hardware like my old Toshiba Libretto. I used DSL for a long time as a maintenance partition. I could boot into it and do a hosted install to upgrade the main OS or, if there was some sort of problem where the main OS (assuming a *nix system) would no longer boot properly I could boot into DSL and chroot into the new system to work on it. Nowadays DSL is not up to the task. If you try either of the above scenarios it will fail with a "kernel too old" message. Meanwhile, something with a 2.6.x kernel and sysadmin tools (i.e.Finnix) can handle it just fine. The problem, of course, is size. If you are working with limited storage, like a small SSD or an old, small hard drive you want to keep the maintenance image as small as possible. DSL used to be perfect for that. Nowadays TinyCore or SliTaz would be much better simply because of the newer kernel.
62 • #58 Poorman's install (by Caitlyn Martin on 2009-03-24 03:20:29 GMT from United States)
@Johnston: Those instructions describe a Knoppix poorman's install, which also works on DSL and TinyCore. What confuses me about your question is the "no partitioning" part. You still need to create a small partition to install TinyCore into. The instructions at: http://www.tinycorelinux.com/install.html#5_Copy_over_TC_system_files cover it well. I can also point you to instructions for working from DOS/Windows if you need them. The point is that the OS has to live somewhere on your hard drive and generally that would mean a separate partition or a partition shared with an existing OS. Is that what you want: to share the partition with an existing OS?
63 • re#61 kernel (by hab on 2009-03-24 03:27:41 GMT from Canada)
Apropos to your post Caitlyn, linus has just released kernel 2.6.29 adding more improvements, bug fixes, etc.
See here: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/3/23/449 for the official announcement.
Ya gotta love free software. Anything else locks you into the box.
Of your own choosing, no less!
Poetic justice?
cheers
64 • REF#58 TinyCore on a HD (by Verndog on 2009-03-24 04:49:25 GMT from United States)
I discussed this on last weeks DW comments.
You can use a FAT32 partition. Get "grub4dos" install all files on the root directory and then the two TC files bzImage and tinycore.gz. Make sure you have formated the partition with msdos, then on boot and at the dos prompt type grub.
The menu.lst file needs to have something on the order
title Tiny Core
kernel (hd0,0)/bzImage vga=773 tce=hda1 restore=hda1/tc_backup
initrd (hd0,0)/tinycore.gz
I've done it both ways, using EXT3 and FAT32. In fact I used the "frugal" method for installing on a usb drive and then was able to install that same HD on my laptop. My laptop has defective cdrom drive.
65 • re#63 booting usb (by hab on 2009-03-24 07:02:49 GMT from Canada)
Here is another really nifty boot utility unetbootin, wikipedia description here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNetbootin, and home page for the project here: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/. Can make usb installs and such.
cheers
66 • No subject (by Johnston on 2009-03-24 12:30:32 GMT from United States)
@Caitlyn #62: yes that is what I want. No where in the quote does he say anything about partitioning and in the interview he was pretty against it. Also in the quote, he says it'll use an existing /home. Thanks for the tip. I'll investigate the Knoppix poorman's install. Just think since the guy was so anti-partitioning/system rot, this method should be on the tcl website's install page.
67 • Denix. (by nickispeaki on 2009-03-24 13:00:04 GMT from Ukraine)
Hi, Den!
I congratulate you with adding to waiting list.!
Goodluck, friend!
Удачи, Ден! ;-)
68 • Parsix' installer (by eco2geek on 2009-03-24 13:35:53 GMT from United States)
re: 46 & 48: You're right, Parsix still uses a version of the Kanotix installer that's, shall we say, a bit long in the tooth. In order to tell the installer to use a separate /home partition, you have to save the installer's configuration file and then edit it manually. (It's well-commented.)
There's also a bug to be aware of that's still open (see http://bugs.parsix.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=99). In a nutshell, the new fstab isn't written correctly and specifies your /home partition over two lines instead of one. So it's important to edit your newly installed distro's fstab *before* you boot into it, i.e. while you're still running the live CD, and make any necessary corections.
Parsix is a Debian testing-based distro with GNOME 2.24 as its default UI and distinctive artwork, so don't let the above keep you from trying it.
69 • Very good interview (by Ninad Bapat on 2009-03-24 13:50:13 GMT from India)
It was a great interview, quiet detailed
Maybe you should feature such detailed interviews often.
Will try Tiny Core
70 • Wesnoth (by Nobody Important on 2009-03-24 14:25:15 GMT from United States)
Battle for Wesnoth had a stable 1.6 release. I mention this because Wesnoth is one of the better open source games out there, and I'm sure most Linux users who enjoy a game or two have gave it a go.
Nice to see a free project come together so nicely.
71 • Wesnoth (by Tom on 2009-03-24 14:54:20 GMT from United Kingdom)
Is excellent. It's one of the main things that stopped me using the dual-boot to go back into Windows all the time. That meant i stumbled on how to fix my multi-media apps and now i haven't been back into Windows for yonks :D
Thanks, will try this 1.6 :D
72 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2009-03-24 16:35:41 GMT from United States)
the point robert made about the partition is that tinycore can co-exist nicely with another distro on the same partition. it's just an advantage of frugal, and not the sole alternative to a full "traditional" or "scatter install." frugal is still an installation, a simple, modular install that produces the same boot every time- unlike my ubuntu install that puts core files everywhere. like anyone that recommends one distro over others, he has his own ideas about what's "better" and why.
the choice to use the ideas is always the user's, but i've never seen a place where he was against a partition, that's a misunderstaning. it's nice to have options instead of "you have to create a new partition for it and unpack the files before you edit the bootloader." you don't. not for live (naturally,) not for frugal (if there is a partition,) not for usb, there's many options that boot without setting up a partition for tc. the live option is more relevant too when there are few distros that offer a livecd that performs comparably with a full install. tinycore isn't the first distro that does it, but robert's been promoting the idea of frugal for a very long time.
73 • Robert Shingledecker (by Jon Mason on 2009-03-25 02:01:56 GMT from United States)
The article about Robert was absolutely beautiful and inspiring. This man has made numerous outstanding contributions to free software while enduring numerous physical disabilities. He will leave the world with a wonderful legacy that I will never equal. Robert is a true model of kindness.
If I only had more brains, I would give his distribution a try.
74 • Microsoft strategy (by Azzorcist on 2009-03-25 03:30:58 GMT from Indonesia)
No, the 83 dollars include the work of the guy that installs Windows and the proper drivers on that machine. So Microsoft gets less than that. Sometimes they get nothing, sometimes they even pay the hardware manufacturer to install Windows. Remember when Microsoft bribed the Nigerian Government ($400 000) to replace Mandriva with Windows on some 15 000 computers?
So it all depends on what deals Microsoft has with the hardware manufacturers. I'm hoping they will get less and less until they die. The sooner the better.
It's Microsoft strategy. They just gave Windows licenses for free for Indonesian schools. What are they trying to do here is make those kid have usual preference to use Windows. And when they get older they only want to use Windows simply because they usually use that and prefer not to chose another.
They want to work with their computer and just use Windows simply because that is the only OS they know better.
And when they became parent and get child they teach their kid use Windows and the pattern goes on...
This is the place that Linux should conquer first, schools. But, before that Linux must strengthen it's position first.
75 • The Article & RE Wesnoth (by Landor on 2009-03-25 03:36:06 GMT from Canada)
If I read 6-12 months ago what Robert said about a scattered install, and "rot" I would have honestly wondered where he was coming from and how could he base what I considered an MS flaw only. But recently, after trying a number of recent releases of a few distros using the 3.5.10 series of KDE, I agree with the man. I don't know if it's KDE itself, or the distros, but I can say matter of factly from my personal experience across a number of different machines with varied hardware that 3 distros, two of which are Sidux and a distro I thought I'd never try, PCLOS. Both have become less and less responsive over their use, and about the same time frame it for it to happen. I hope this isn't something that I keep seeing in the future of GNU/Linux, it would truly be a shame.
Also on the subject of the article I see a number calling out for an allowance of a rebuttal to the article. This reminds me of exactly what happened when Ladislav posted an article about his experience with Puppy. There was a rebuttal article and I'm quite positive you'll see it this time around too. Drama unlolds sadly.
RE: Wesnoth
I wasn't a big fan of Wesnoth, just not my cup of tea, I'm a huge FPS fan though and love OpenArena! Another great game that just blows my mind for the detail and functionality is Danger Deep, sub sim, great game indeed. That game to me is truly a model for what open source is capable of!
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
76 • lua/fltk (by cb88 on 2009-03-25 03:42:45 GMT from United States)
actually John Murga created murgalua which you seem to be calling Flua here for some reason which is the combination of lua and fltk in DSL... you may have implemented it and extended it but he created it.
http://www.murga-projects.com/murgaLua/
77 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2009-03-25 08:35:11 GMT from United States)
"I introduced Lua/FLTK (Flua) to create some 50 or so GUI front-ends for DSL. I also integrated QEMU with DSL"
i'm guessing this should be read: "I was the first person to add the combination of Lua/FLTK (Flua) to DSL and created some 50 or so GUI front-ends. I also integrated QEMU with DSL"
not: "I invented Lua/FLTK (Flua) and added it to DSL. I also recreated QEMU and added DSL to it."
and not to be totally pedantic but http://sourceforge.net/projects/lua-fltk/ was registered 2001-08-08 and murgalua's own site says "24th of July 2006 Initial release" so john murga doesn't claim to have invented the combination either. but he implemented it usefully as murgalua and it was (and is) an excellent fit for dsl.
78 • No subject (by forest on 2009-03-25 09:46:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
Re #75
I don't know if this would be considered in exactly the same way but, having played around on my latest hobbyhorse, to whit, DOAS, I find a reduction in function. Namely getting online.
I have had no problems with "normal" h/d mounted distros but after a while, (few days) the usb based stuff fails to work, so to speak, in the dhcp department. Plenty of signal but the address is not forthcoming, at all. Even if you attempt the static address procedure.
It looks as tho' a re-install might be required.
I found also that if you attempt to update, via the apt routine in auto mode, a subsequent reboot does not happen.
I am considering the pitfalls of whether the persistent memory allowance is too large?
I discovered also there is some difference in the notion of "bootable" and simply having the distro on a stick which then offers you the usual options of "live" or " install to h/d".
I think more experiment is on my horizon.
Anyone else found similar?
79 • Open source games (by Anonymous on 2009-03-25 10:46:12 GMT from India)
How about a DWW with an article on open source games?
80 • #77 (by jeffcustom on 2009-03-25 12:08:29 GMT from United States)
I think you may be misunderstanding Robert's words.
"I introduced Lua/FLTK (Flua) to create some 50 or so GUI front-ends for DSL. I also integrated QEMU with DSL"
He is saying he introduced Lua/Fltk. I believe he's saying he introduced Flua to DSL. I don't see any reference that he "created" Flua.
He also says he integrated QEMU with DSL. This just means that he provided a downloadable ready to boot Qemu version of DSL. I don't see any mention of him saying that he created Qemu either.
I hope this is just a language difference here.
BTW - if you go to Robert's website link I posted before, you will see that John took his opportunity to dig at Robert and then Robert posted his rebuttal. I really see no need to rehash all of this at DWW. You can search the DSL forum, as I have, if you want to read most of the story. I understand John deleted some things so we probably won't, or need, to know everything.
I hope that ladislav just lets this go. It's done, history...move on.
81 • roberts (by john b on 2009-03-25 12:43:00 GMT from United States)
Roberts,
It felt bad how your treated at DSL. You did great work there. Looks like I'll be trying Tiny Core next!
82 • comparison with Puppy? (by Shankar Gopalakrishnan on 2009-03-25 13:18:29 GMT from India)
I found the Tiny Core interview interesting and definitely going to try it out. I am interested in one questino though - the design model that Tiny Core uses, including the frugal install and the use of extensions, is (with name changes) the same as that used by Puppy Linux. Of course Puppy's core is much bigger because it includes a great deal of apps (which is presumably exactly the objection), but while that may be a problem in terms of the core philosophy, it does mean that the chief problem that Rob Shingledecker identifies (scatter mode, deterioriating performance over time, no pristine system) is also addressed in Puppy. Indeed this is one of the main reasons Puppy has been my workhorse system for almost four years. Would be interested to know how people feel Tiny Core compares with Puppy, and with Barry Kauler's new project, Woof (which basically is a build system for people to build their own cores).
83 • Correction to my post #75 & RE: 78 (by Landor on 2009-03-25 14:07:39 GMT from Canada)
The sentence:
"This reminds me of exactly what happened when Ladislav posted an article about his experience with Puppy."
Should have read:
"This reminds me of exactly what happened when Ladislave posted an article about Mark South's experience with Puppy."
Not Ladislav's experience. Major faux pas there of course.
RE: 78
I'm finding that the whole DE is sluggish, and any apps running while in it. As stated too, it's been across a number of different systems. It just seems the whole system is like a marathon runner on the last leg of the race.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
84 • @ 79 (by Nobody Important on 2009-03-25 14:51:59 GMT from United States)
That would be great to have a games article or two. I know that Nexuiz is coming out with a new stable version within a few months, so I would definitely read an interview by those guys. They do some great work.
Heck, Wesnoth, OpenArena, FreeCiv; any of those would be a fun article to read!
Mellowing experience with Linux, however: I've finally met the fabled computer that just won't work with Linux. It's the graphics card. Or it's the network card. Or it's the monitor. Or the CD drive. I'm thinking of just installing Absolute Linux, nailing the configuration files down, and saying, "Ha! Mess THAT up, why dontcha!"
85 • Tiny Core, DSL, Puppy (by Kaiz on 2009-03-25 15:22:58 GMT from United States)
DW rules, once again! Great interview and I won't comment on the issues between Robert and John, many have already said what I'd say. By the way DW is a disease... I check a couple times per day when I'm online and have downloaded and burnt some 250 isos from you by now for a load of very old boxes and lappys which you have largely helped me keep out of landfills.
I'm using TC as I type now, and it rocks, pure and simple. In fact that's the deal- pure and simple. And FAST. Robert is indeed a genius and a gift- Kudos to him and of course the DW staff who make so many wonderful 'nixes available!
I've loved Puppy and used it a great deal since Barry first publicized it, DSL has long been my go-to distro on ancient lappys and boxes of indistinction- and it has nearly never let me down where frankly, Puppy (in it's various incarnations and I have used about 22 of them- no exageration) has in a fair number of lappys and boxes just -not- worked. And I like the various offerings including DSL-N a great deal, but this is my experience. I can recall about 2 instances of DSL refusing to boot.
Finally, people such as Robert, Barry and yes, John are forward-thinking techs who clearly have vision with skills to match. Many of us (include Kaiz please) are simply officiandos who love Linux and use it daily for all tasks, and we stand in awe (fanbois are us, I admit it) of the usefulness, especially of these "Lttle 'Nixes That DO" -not only "could".
86 • @84 - The machine that wont take linux (by Tom on 2009-03-25 18:24:02 GMT from United Kingdom)
Try Wolvix, seems to work everytime for me, even if nothing else does and even, apparently, in at least 1 case where Slackware normally wouldn't.
http://wolvix.org/get.php
87 • No subject (by forest on 2009-03-25 18:44:08 GMT from United Kingdom)
Re # 83, last part.
Whilst in experimental mode I found I had installed Knoppix (as an example...nothing wrong with Knoppix at all I hasten to add, LOL) to an SD card...obviously a very late night session, (propped up by a couple of pints)...totally forgotten the next day...what it is to be old...
Anyway, found that Knoppix booted without any issues off a "single card" card reader but no way on a multicard reader...obviously too much circuitry in the way... Found the wifi (my own particular yardstick and the first thing I try) without any effort and was away once the PW was supplied.
As you mentioned above usb based distros do rather slow the system down and an SD card is even slower. Typing emails...the cursor vanishes and reappears...anywhere.
I am using the SD card as I type and the cursor has gone for a walk...offscreen somewhere.
I suspect DOAS have some way to go and although the idea is interesting, and will work for occasional away from home use, that's about it...thus far.
I imagine the speed may be increased with the promised usb.3 standard and I suggest the minimum size stick, if you want to update, store stuff and add other apps is rather more than 1GB.
88 • re: #87 (by Eyes-Only on 2009-03-26 13:38:19 GMT from United States)
A big "Thank you!" is in hand for you Forest for keeping us---or at least myself anyway---informed about your progress here with the "DOAS" idea. :) I, for one, have really appreciated reading about this and have found it to be a fascinating subject, especially where I happen to have a small hard drive ( 80gigs ) taken up with my three fave distros at the moment. So you can imagine that when you first coined the acronym and started out on your "wee adventure" my ears picked up with interest thinking this might possibly be a future viable alternative for myself.
Again Forest: Thanks for the updates on the "Project"---along with all your other comments as well. I glean so much from reading of everyone's experiences here, yours, Notorik, Tom, Caitlyn, Landor, Ladislav, Chris, and all the rest. You ALL deserve a good pat on the back for the knowledge you folks so freely dispense here!
Fab interview this week! I'd love to see more such in-depth interviews with such "Greats" in the field of Linux, who were there in the beginning and who are yet STILL actively participating to make our experiences so enjoyable today. What a pillar to the Community-at-Large Robert has been, and what struggles he faces on a daily basis! Just that alone is inspiring enough to keep someone like me going as well! ( I likewise have several "health issues". )
Thanks for the bandwidth.
Eyes-Only
"L'Peau-Rouge"
89 • RE: 87 (by Landor on 2009-03-26 17:37:16 GMT from Canada)
I don't put much stock into flash/SD drives. About all I use them for (operating system related) is to insall or test out a live cd via that medium. Even that is rare to happen.
Personally I think a mini-cd (210 mb version) would be a far better venture as a portable medium, for a light distro of course.
Since my friend spoke to me about their own need for a portable system I've decided to revamp my old personal build of one. I'm considering a switch to either LXDE or maybe even E17. Why not try to throw a little eye candy the way of people lookin' on when they see it. You get to see their face and hear, "What is that!" :)
Oh, this reminds me, Anti? If you're reading, I didn't see a "base" install for your latest release the last time I looked. Are you stepping away from that?
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
90 • AntiX (by Landor on 2009-03-26 18:11:55 GMT from Canada)
disregard my comment about the base system...I found it for M8....Maybe I didn't look hard enough..
91 • WTF ? Anyone Watching The NCAA Basketball Tourament Online ? Not On Linux..... (by Distrowatcher on 2009-03-26 21:15:57 GMT from United States)
Wanted to check out my alma mater's game online using a liinux box, but received this very kind message below. Really wanted to watch the game, but not 'that' much.
In order to use the college basketball GameChannel, users will need Internet Explorer 5.0 or higher and a Windows operating system.
If you do not meet the minimum requirements, you can check out the NCAA Men's Basketball Scoreboard for live scoring.
If you are trying to access audio and are not using IE, see our full list of College Broadcasts available on our College Broadcast Player.
92 • @ 91 Distrowatcher (by Tom on 2009-03-26 21:30:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
Firefox has a AddOn called "User Agent" or "Switcher Agent", something like that - it fools a lot of sites into thinking you're using IE (&therefore must be using Windows?)
Hope this helps, good luck and regards from
Tom :)
93 • NCAA @91/92 (by newhere on 2009-03-26 22:47:54 GMT from United States)
The nerds over at slashdot say to install a windows VM to solve that issue... They also say if you use Linux, you have never heard of basketball, or any other sport for that matter.
At any rate, it's very annoying to have this Silverlight junk hurled upon us, but it's nice to see at least one other linux user who appreciates March Madness. btw, I am 14 of 16 on my picks this year. Yippeeeee... Just watching it on the broadcast and at their mercy, however. Not installing any microsoft just for the sake of sport (pun intended). Good Luck!
94 • No subject (by forest on 2009-03-26 23:24:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
Re #88
Very decent of you to say so. Thanks. And as for real uses see down page...
Re #89
I am beginning to see things your way...OK for for trialing stuff but limited as yet for real application on a long term basis.
I recall there was an experiment...on an MS platforn some 2 (?) years back where a somebody brought out a 3U or U3 setup on a usb stck (Kreutzer?).
The stick was tricked up with a browser, FF2 I think, and other apps. I have to say I have little or no interest in MS these days so have no idea if it is still going...and I would not trouble to google it...for fear that it was proved to be waste of time...and I could have saved said time by research first, LOL.
I think therefore DOAS is probably pronounced, now, the Homer Simpson way...with a silent "S"...
95 • Austrumi (by Notorik on 2009-03-27 02:59:52 GMT from United States)
I'm not really interested in the DSL guy (Tiny Core is genius). instead, I would like to see an interview with Andrejs Meinerts of Austrumi. Apparently Latvian's have a different way of doing things that I would like to know more about. See the English forum (unless you speak Latvian obviously...).
http://austrumi.mypunbb.com/
96 • Other Distros (by Tom on 2009-03-27 10:58:56 GMT from United Kingdom)
I agree with Notorik. In a Law Court we should now hear from both sides again and listen to a judge summarising and perhaps both sides summarising and the judge laying out the options and then the jury go off to deliberate. Big yawns for us and a lot of pain for the people involved. We have heard both sides already and it's obviously still painful for both sides. Please can we move on and talk about something else. I don't think it's fair of us to ask Robert to endure any more about this and dragging people through the mud is not my idea of good manners.
I'm also getting tired of just hearing about TinyCore, Dsl and Puppy in various forums. I'm sure there are a couple more distros out there somewhere. Wasn't there some site that listed them? Perhaps we could hear from a few other main developers on their distros.
I think i got out the wrong side of bed and still haven't had my coffee. lol
Good luck and regards to all from
Tom :)
97 • DOAS (by Notorik on 2009-03-27 12:14:07 GMT from United States)
Opera + Tor. I would like to see this on a stick for Linux:
http://archetwist.com/opera/operator
Does anyone know if there is something like this out there? I know Sabayon has an option to use it, so do Freesbie 2.1, Tor Pup, and Incognito (Gentoo). But these are all distros that include Tor as part of the distro. I am wondering if there is a Tor browser on a stick (BOAS)? It would probably work with Wine but never really like going that route. There was an article in the Linux Journal a few months back stating that Tor should be included in every distro because of the increasing risk of privacy violation issues. If you live in a country with a snoopy/repressive government (we know who we are) then it is almost essential. If you don't have privacy concerns, paranoia is always fun so give it a shot.
98 • #97 (by Notorik on 2009-03-27 12:24:10 GMT from United States)
Sorry for double posting. I think my previous comment was a little confusing. I meant to say, I think the Opera Tor would probably work with Wine but it would be better if there was a native version for Linux.
99 • No subject (by forest on 2009-03-27 15:47:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
Re #97
The only fly in the ointment to me was that Tor is run by "volunteers" around the planet and on the principle of quis custodiet ipsos custodes See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F
And, you might have heard of the phrase..."Welcome to my parlour said the spider to the fly..."
Despite my not quite as enthusiastic support of DOAS, if you did, heaven forfend, want to keep your h/d squeaky clean in whatever environment...ahem...it so happens you can dis the h/d completely and boot off the stick. You can work it out from there...but that still leaves the problem of ISPs and recourse to Tor.
Which means using public hotspots...I see you are there already...
I suppose there are Tors on a stick trials...TOAST..you just have to make sure you don't get burned...
100 • #99 (by Notorik on 2009-03-27 18:23:43 GMT from Germany)
Indeed. Actually I have had much the same experience as you running DOAS. However, running a browser from a stick occasionally shouldn't be a problem. In some lines of work you need to do things in places that aren't receptive to what you're doing. The advantages of being able to pop in a stick with a browser is enourmous when time is a crucial factor and there are no other viable options.
101 • #97: Tor + Privoxy (by Caitlyn Martin on 2009-03-27 19:20:35 GMT from United States)
Notorik: Tor and Privoxy are both in the Vector Linux 6.0 extra repository. They aren't preconfigured for any browser --- you still have to do that, but it's pretty darned easy. It should be noted that Tor also slows down browsing quite a bit. I use it with Firefox and I have the Tor Button extension to shut it off when I really don't need it.
102 • Donation (by anticapitalista on 2009-03-27 21:19:59 GMT from Greece)
Just a reminder to my suggesting (amongst others) a donation to the smxi project.
http://smxi.org/site/donations.htm
103 • Tor/Mepis/AntiX (by Notorik on 2009-03-27 21:38:13 GMT from United States)
Thanks Caitlyn. Will that work with Vector Light? Tiny Core with Tor might be interesting too...
Unrelated note: I just had a chance to test both Mepis 8.0 and Antix on a Dell Inspiron laptop for several days. The wireless was a bit of a trick to get working but that is because of my learning curve. Both distros have worked flawlessly so far with wireless.
104 • #103-Tor/Privoxy (by Caitlyn Martin on 2009-03-27 23:07:11 GMT from United States)
@Notorik: Anything that works with VL Standard should also work with VL Light. Please remember that VL Light 6.0 is at RC1. There are probably still a few bugs to be worked out. Also remember that Firefox isn't included in Light so you'd have to get that from the repository as well.
105 • Thanks @ 92 & 93. (by Distrowatcher on 2009-03-28 00:40:51 GMT from United States)
Thanks @ 92 & 93.
Yeah, you're right on the money.
Oh.......
Only 14 of 16 ????? What's your secret ?
Grew up in ACC country.. hint hint .......
106 • Wolvix beta1 in the press! (by Tom on 2009-03-28 14:54:14 GMT from United Kingdom)
Wow at last an article about Wolvix 2.0-beta1 in the press!
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wolvix-2.html
Only posted up a couple of hours ago but already DW has got it linked on the Wolvix page
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=wolvix
and other appropriate places. I'm truly impressed. Nicely done Ladislav, Chris and all :)
Thanks and regards from
Tom :)
PS @105 DistroWatcher - you're welcome, glad it worked :)
107 • No subject (by forest on 2009-03-28 20:17:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
Anyone tried the latest Puppy 4.2?
Just d/l, burned off and thence to usb...very slick. In fact as these go it looks very attractive indeed and I'm not especially susceptible to looks. I have no doubt at all it will be just as functional as the other Puppies...so job done...a pleasant evening ahead, aided and abetted by a couple of jars...distros on the back burner and so to bed.
108 • @107 (by Notorik on 2009-03-28 20:54:20 GMT from United States)
I tried it. On one computer it worked fine (no such luck with the other 2) . Screen resolution seems to be a real problem. A lot of widgets. I'm looking forward to the community edition. Also that online desktop is very interesting.
109 • @88 (by Notorik on 2009-03-29 01:00:52 GMT from United States)
I just saw my name in there with some others that are on a much higher level. But, I'm glad if I contributed something useful.
110 • Latest Puppy (by mikkh on 2009-03-30 01:24:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
Yes, they've done a great job with the look of it, and it's brilliant as a live CD or installed to a USB stick, but the full install to HD is still dodgy - I guess that's why they recommend the 'frugal' install method.
Can't fault it as a live CD though - good work Warren and co
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