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1 • DW weekly continues... (by alex on 2008-11-24 10:24:36 GMT from India)
I was eagerly waiting for this issue. Keep up the good work ;)
2 • Thank you for your work (by Bernhard J. M. Grün on 2008-11-24 10:27:14 GMT from Germany)
Thank you for another DWW issue, Ladislav. And good luck to you, Chris. I just can't wait to read the first issue out of your hand.
Bernhard J. M. Grün
3 • Flash 10 for Linux 64 bit (by Bob on 2008-11-24 10:43:33 GMT from Austria)
To any of you who are not aware of the fact that Adobe has finally released a 64-bit version of their flash player for Linux:
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
Currently still in alpha but seems to work better than the 32-bit plugins. Got this info from the Mandriva forum - thanks guys!
This is one reason less to install a 32 bit OS and leaving part of the internal CPU registers unused. Tried OpenOffice in both versions and the 64-bit variant seems to be about twice as fast for recalcs than its 32-bit counterpart (although still waaay slower than Excel 2007).
4 • DW begins with s new era (by Dr.Saleem Khan on 2008-11-24 10:57:14 GMT from Pakistan)
I was not expecting DW this week but it`s good that the reponsilibity has already been taken by Chris Smart .
Change is always good and I am sure this change will make DW more productive than a war zone like before which was probably one of the reason Ladislav had to resign.
Best wishes & keep the good work going with the spirit of OSS.
5 • Re: DW begins with s new era (by Tenzer on 2008-11-24 11:00:42 GMT from Denmark)
Please read the section about Chris Smart before posting. He's first DW Weekly will be the one released on the 15th of December ;)
6 • morning coffee... (by Caraibes on 2008-11-24 11:01:20 GMT from Dominican Republic)
I was wondering if I would have my DWW fix... I just had it , Thanks !
7 • To Chris Smart (by Tervel on 2008-11-24 11:21:34 GMT from Austria)
Good luck, dude! :)
8 • Welcome Aboard! (by David on 2008-11-24 11:30:55 GMT from United States)
Welcome Aboard Chris,
Thanks for making the effort always have enjoyed this Weekly.
All the Best to you!
9 • Chris Smart (by Dante on 2008-11-24 11:33:31 GMT from Netherlands)
Good luck and hope to read your DWW on the 15th of December!
cheers,
Dante
10 • SCO (by Elven on 2008-11-24 11:41:15 GMT from Slovakia)
just a short question... are people in SCO thinking?
they do not have anything, they do not produce anything, have no community...
and attacking novell, because thay thinks that they have some patent for something... I dont like "companies" like it
11 • back to action (by Free Programmer at 2008-11-24 11:44:37 GMT from Saudi Arabia)
Welcome back DWW .....
cheers, man
12 • Chris Smart (by Grobsch on 2008-11-24 11:47:46 GMT from Brazil)
Good luck Chris!! Keep the good work here... Anything we can help just ask.
13 • numbers of users (by arno911 on 2008-11-24 12:13:02 GMT from Germany)
maybe the fedora (red hat) users are merely professionals, and dont need the orientation DW provides for all the new users and distrohoppers. maybe its the same with users of any "real" Debian or "based on Debian" Distro, and those who use Slackware.
The Ubuntu folks (and those "based on *buntu" Distro users) are more likely new to the game. percentaged, that would explain the amount of *buntu users frequently visiting DW. just my thoughts..
like a friend of mine said: "wow, in the #sidux irc channel im a complete newbie, and on #mint im a guru."
summs it up quite well :)
this was a good week for DW, its a very good weekly news edition. Mr. Smart will have a hard time topping this. *g*
I am curious about what will come
b.r.
arno911
p.s. Happy Birthday sidux™! (yes, a registered Trademark now)
14 • welcome Chris (by greenpossum on 2008-11-24 12:16:18 GMT from Australia)
Chris, good on ya mate. Looking forward to your DWW newsletter already.
15 • Chris Smart... (by Lionel Debroux on 2008-11-24 12:17:21 GMT from France)
Although he isn't in charge of the DWW yet, I think we can already welcome Chris Smart :)
I guess it hasn't been easy to choose between the several 'top' people among the 40+ applicants for the DWW editor position... Nevertheless, Chris Smart looks a sensible choice to me: this guy thinks forward and works for 'alternative' software to become more mainstream (as you mentioned, Kororaa and MakeTheMove.net).
I remember showing off to several friends Kororaa+Xgl running on a 4-year computer, a bit less than a year before the first commercial release of Vista (which is too much of a resource hog to run well on that computer) came out.
I also remember several vocal '100% pure free software' ideologists shooting down hard Kororaa for its several pieces of proprietary software, which were, and still are on many graphic cards, compulsory in order to get accelerated graphics...
16 • Caitlyn (by bob on 2008-11-24 12:18:06 GMT from United States)
Thank you Caitlyn, for this weeks feature story.
17 • ladislav (by Elven on 2008-11-24 12:26:46 GMT from Slovakia)
what will be with ladislav now?
and... who is now reading mail adress distro at distrowatch dot com?
18 • Chris Smart (by Joost Ruis on 2008-11-24 13:05:11 GMT from Netherlands)
Kororaa is dead in the water and actually it never was alive at all.
Chris i know you asked Fabio help to actually pull this of.
So for the record: RR4 (Sabayon) WAS the FIRST XGL-enabled livecd
Stop using this to advertise your abilities.
http://pastebin.ca/1265780
19 • No subject (by Dick Cheney on 2008-11-24 13:19:37 GMT from United States)
Looking forward to the new era at DWW. Thanks to Ladislav for keeping it alive. Many in his position would either have felt obligated to keep doing something that didn't hold his interest, or else abandoned DWW altogether.
Chris has written for DWW before. I do hope there will be more 'outside' articles in the months ahead.
20 • @13: right Mr arno911 (by Francis on 2008-11-24 13:20:51 GMT from France)
@13: I agree with arno911 . I am using Fedora at home and centos OS at works and I come once a week to DW to stay informed. But my wife (newbie) use Ubuntu and she visit DW every day to find out if there is sommething better.
what makes a visit rate of 7:1
21 • RE: 18 Chris Smart (by ladislav on 2008-11-24 13:29:27 GMT from Taiwan)
No, Kororaa was there first. Kororaa Xgl 0.1 was released on 2006-03-08, while the first beta of RR4 Linux 3.0 Xgl edition was only announced a month later, on 2006-04-06. DistroWatch knows everything :-)
22 • "Novell Wins, SCO Loses." (by My LInux Page on 2008-11-24 13:33:03 GMT from United States)
Does SCO realize that this business plan of suing everybody is not working for them ( if you can call it a business plan ). I mean how many more ways must a judge tell them that they do not own UNIX, Novell does. Novell is in the Open Source business. I hope that who ever is financing them realizes that SCO must move on to a new business plan.
23 • Thank You Ladislav and Welcome Chris! (by Tony on 2008-11-24 13:36:28 GMT from United States)
Thank You Ladislav for all your hard work! WELCOME Chris Smart to DWW, kick-back and enjoy your stay here! Ladislav has been good to us, and Chris I look forward to your reading your work. Again, Congratulations to you Both!
24 • New DWW (by Soggiest on 2008-11-24 13:36:44 GMT from United Kingdom)
Vale et Valete!
Smart move, Ladislav. Aussies we like.
25 • Welcome Chris and I might be wearing a fedora after the 25th (by Anonymous on 2008-11-24 13:49:44 GMT from United States)
Welcome Chris, best wishes on filling some big shoes.
I have been using Fedora 10 preview, and I like it, I like alot. I just might be putting on the Fedora once again. (I actually started with RH 6.0)The only stopper might be the codecs, nvidia support etc. I really don't have time to fiddle with config files to get things working.
I just hope that the 3rd party repos will help fill in the gaps of media codecs, etc. If not Its back to Ubuntu, begrudgingly. I need my MP3's and window codecs for internet radio and tv.
Linux netbooks, this will be interesting, there is a "guru" that has a national radio on Saturdays warning her listener to stay way from the linux based netbooks. "you have to be a geek" to use it, spreading Outdated FUD!
Once again welcome!
26 • re 25, Fedora, codecs install, etc. (by wview on 2008-11-24 14:06:53 GMT from United States)
I'm using Fedora 10 as well. As for some of the things you mention check out "autoten". It worked very well for me, no errors, but I only tried it on one machine.
I am using 64 bit, flash etc. worked, and every media file I have tried as well.
http://www.dnmouse.org/autoten.html
27 • DW Issue 279 (by ordinareez on 2008-11-24 14:11:47 GMT from Indonesia)
Thank you, this is what I waiting for :)
28 • Linux Pre-installed (by Pick2 on 2008-11-24 14:19:34 GMT from United States)
"Watch out for Linux. ... it won't run Windows software"
LOL
The Absolute best thing about Linux is "it won't run Windows software" !
( Yea , I know you can if you really want to :^) )
Once you get past "But I can't BUY any software for it ?!?"
Then you realize just How Free it is !
29 • Any news on HAIKU OS? (by Anonymous on 2008-11-24 14:31:40 GMT from Spain)
I've read, I don't know where, that the first iso was almost ready.You know something about it?
Wellcome Chris.Othe aussie, like Puppy linux ;)
30 • Crunchbang! (by jared on 2008-11-24 14:33:09 GMT from United States)
Glad to see Crunchbang! Linux added to the database. It's a great distribution.
31 • Chris and stuff (by davemc on 2008-11-24 14:37:01 GMT from United States)
Congratz Chris! Now well all get a taste of the "land down under" on DWW. That should be interesting, to say the least. I hope you have as colorful, and sometimes controversial opinions about things as Ladislav, because sometimes he was downright mean spirited towards some of the more ailing distro's like Gentoo. But, sometimes that is what is exactly needed. Thing about that is though, that one must be careful not to blur the lines between opinion, and actual facts.
SCO needs to go away. They are now a defunct and dead thing that is just prolonging the agony of what is already yesturdays news. They are so badly beaten down now that their continued talk of appeals makes me think that they are completely out of touch with reality, even though they are now totally at the mercy of the court system and no longer truly in control of anything.
32 • Fedora (by Josh on 2008-11-24 14:39:47 GMT from United States)
I make it a point to stay familiar with popular distros whenever a new release comes out. Fedora is included in that mix. However, my way of staying familiar with them is not to install them on one of my spare boxes, but rather to install them in a VM and remove them a week or month later. They get minimal usage compared to my day-to-day distro, but I do still mess around with the built-in update tools if available. I wonder if this is one of the sources for the 'unique IP addresses' quoted in the article, or if they are only counting IPs from which the distro is downloaded. If it's a combination of the two, chances are that I make up at least 5 of their so-called unique IP addresses, since I download on campus and install at home with an ISP that changes my IP every couple days... Wouldn't surprise me if many others are also in that boat. Unique IP addresses is prolly not a good measure for unique users.
Also, welcome to the DWW Chris!
33 • The new Editor (by selket on 2008-11-24 14:44:35 GMT from China)
Good luck chris.
But so far i know DWW the topstory only contains one topic. you choose took 2. But thats ok. I hope for much distro reviews but please dont let things like solaris and BSD down. They deserve their share of fame too ^^
34 • revisionist history? (by meh on 2008-11-24 15:13:35 GMT from United States)
In the United States and Canada we are seeing that happen for the first time this holiday season.
I seem to remember Wal Mart and its proxy Sams Club selling Linspire loaded PC's in the US previously to the netbook crap. So its not the first time we've seen an OEM linux install available along side the microsoft OEM install.
35 • about distrowatch (by Elven on 2008-11-24 15:19:29 GMT from Slovakia)
I am creating one of the small distros... any I have many thanks for authors of this site. Great place where to show and compare what is new. excelent source of infos - and also great help for users, who are not able to write in english without mistakes :)
36 • Cruchbang Linux (by Barnabyh on 2008-11-24 15:25:55 GMT from United Kingdom)
Seems good to me, nice and clean interface, but I always wonder about the value in these small adaptations, re-spins or what ever when you can do all this by yourself. It's not that much work and once you've got your config files and preferred themes, plugins etc backed up you never need to put that work in again.
Currently I've got a very customized PCLOS 2007 with openbox, fluxbox, Afterstep and Xfce and it runs really well. I get much better battery life on a laptop than with KDE, probably no secret
Thanks for the News this week- Barnabyh.
37 • Welcome! (by Anonymous Penguin on 2008-11-24 15:32:36 GMT from Italy)
Welcome Chris Smart!
38 • Hooray! (by IMQ on 2008-11-24 15:34:36 GMT from United States)
Chris,
Congratulations!
Thanks for taking some of the load of Ladislav so he can keep DistroWatch going.
I am looking forward to your work.
May the Force be with you!
39 • Thanks and congrats (by Dimi on 2008-11-24 15:48:20 GMT from United States)
Firstly, to Ladislav, thanks so much for Distrowatch and Distrowatch Weekly. I read lots of tech rags, but one of my best reads has always been Distrowatch Weekly. Clear, concise, well-written, timely, ... . I could continue with the platitudes, but my colleagues on this page have done a great job of mentioning them already. I realize how time consuming it is to prepare Distrowatch Weekly, especially when there's so much ground to cover, while keeping the level of journalism so high. My gratitude, appreciation, and thanks. (Same goes for Susan Linton!)
Finally, my thanks and congratulations to Chris Smart. I'm sure Chris sees this appointment for what it is - an honor, an opportunity, and a tough job, but also realizes that he has the support of all of Distrowatch Weekly's readers.
Looking forward to future editions of Distrowatch Weekly!
Dimitri
40 • Linux is Cheap? (by trumpcouptimmy on 2008-11-24 15:50:03 GMT from United States)
I loved the quote "Watch out for Linux. The cheapest netbooks tend to come with Linux." I say we can make Linux better by charging more for the notebooks and sending the money to me instead of Gates. What a slur - the amount of money spent automatically determines the quality?
41 • this is the most interesting post today (by lightrider on 2008-11-24 15:57:50 GMT from United States)
Every time i read a post where i have to struggle to understand the English of someone in Europe, i
realize that we have many nitwits right here in the USA who cant write that well
even though it is their first language.
Now , about my main subject . I presently have two computer towers that i
built. One,my most used rig, has PCLinuxOS and Mint linux installed along
with Mac OS X Tiger. The other computer has Windows XP Professional SP3
installed. I have nothing against ANY operating system if it meets my needs
and is FREE. All of these meet that criteria. Concerning my Windows pc, i
never go on the internet with it, and only use it for the great video editing
software that is installed.
I like to go to certain sites,using the linux pc, where i can download avi
movies (divx,xvid,etc) that generally are in the size range of 650 to 900 mb,
then convert them over to excellent DVDs that are around 4 gigs in size.
The best program to do this conversion, since it is very easy to install and
use plus is FREE, is VSO DivxtoDVD .5.2beta.
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/video_encoders/vso_divxtodvd_free.cfm
42 • No subject (by Macabe on 2008-11-24 16:03:25 GMT from United States)
@10 This may help clarify - it's from the DOJ anti-trust case:
“[Microsoft’s] Mr. Emerson and I discussed a variety of investment structures wherein Microsoft would ‘backstop,’ or guarantee in some way, BayStar’s investment…. Microsoft assured me that it would in some way guarantee BayStar’s investment in SCO.”
–Larry Goldfarb, Baystar, key investor in SCO
43 • Cheap (by MR on 2008-11-24 16:03:40 GMT from United States)
@40: Well, the ugly truth is that most of the netbook makers seem to relegate Linux to the configuration with the least power/RAM/storage, so there's something to be said for warning people that they're getting the least computer for their money that way. Mind you, a lot of the extra resources those XP netbooks have gets consumed by XP and does the buyer no good at all. I'd like to see MSI or Acer offer your choice of OS on any hardware configuration.
@Caitlyn: #34 is right; WalMart did, for a brief time, sell Linspire preinstalled. Also, and admittedly this is a bit of a nitpick, "Black Friday" is NOT typically the busiest shopping day of the year. http://www.snopes.com/holidays/thanksgiving/shopping.asp
44 • user counts at DW (by Guest on 2008-11-24 16:11:03 GMT from United States)
One change I would like to see on the Distrowatch user-agent statistics page is to display the current user's user-agent string at the top of the page. This is because many users spoof IE on XP to get some sites to work.
My ISP pages give me errors and warnings if I don't spoof IE and Windows. They work fine with merely a user-agent spoof so their response is clearly not necessary.
Perhaps many DW users are using spoofed user-agent headers. I try not to hide the Linux/Debian headers so web masters will realize we are a growing force. :)
45 • Package management cheatsheet (by Nate on 2008-11-24 16:19:09 GMT from United States)
You guys said you would create a PDF of the Package management cheatsheet. I think you should get to work on that for the next issue.
46 • No subject (by Brian on 2008-11-24 16:21:30 GMT from United States)
Yay! Im so happy there was a DWW this week, this was a very interesting article. I was excited to see that Fedora has 9.5 million users about 1/10 of the DW views as Ubuntu... that has to mean Ubuntu has millions more of users. That's great.
47 • Welcome (by Nicos Elia on 2008-11-24 18:17:44 GMT from Cyprus)
Welcome Aboard Chris.
48 • @41 - Windows and OS X are free??? (by Gnobuddy on 2008-11-24 18:32:35 GMT from United States)
... PCLinuxOS and Mint linux installed along with Mac OS X Tiger. The other computer has Windows XP Professional SP3 installed.
I have nothing against ANY operating system if it meets my needs
and is FREE. All of these meet that criteria.
=====================================================
Are you really trying to say that OS X and Windows XP are "FREE"?
Because if you are, I completely fail to understand you. These are both secret, locked-down, proprietary operating systems, with restrictive EULA's and no source code provided. They are not free in any sense - neither in cost nor in freedom.
-Gnobuddy
49 • The Best (by Constant Observer2 on 2008-11-24 18:44:43 GMT from United States)
Knoppix > Kororaa > DistroWatch = Linux World
Thank you Ladislav and welcome Chris.
The Best of everything to you.
50 • SCO... (by Anonymous on 2008-11-24 18:47:17 GMT from United States)
It really just needs to lay down and die, of course AFTER it pays Novell what it owes them! Good riddance...
51 • Distrowatch needs more advertising (by Sankaran on 2008-11-24 18:50:12 GMT from India)
Maybe not all fedora users know about distrowatch. Maybe distrowatch needs more advertising so as to reach all fedora users
52 • thanks & welcome (by zbreaker on 2008-11-24 19:06:09 GMT from United States)
Sincerest thanks to Ladislav for all your work which made Mondays actually a day to look forward to for myself and many. May you live long and prosper!
And welcome on-board Chris...nice to know my Mondays will still
be both anticipated and informative.
53 • 9.5 million Fedora users? (by Anonymous on 2008-11-24 19:21:56 GMT from United States)
I would dispute that. One user can have 20 machines running Fedora, would that mean that there are 10 Fedora boxes with 10 different users?
There are lies, lies Dammn lies and Statistics :)
Anyway I really like Fedora and like Ubuntu too. So either one will do as long as they compute :)
54 • To Do List? (by Jim Welch on 2008-11-24 19:44:40 GMT from United States)
Does this mean the waiting list will be reduced?
55 • @41 (by Anonymous on 2008-11-24 20:09:28 GMT from United States)
have you tried DeVeDe? I use it all the time to convert avi's to dvd. This was one of those things that kept me from completely leaving windows years ago.
56 • Linux in US stores, Fedora vs. Ubuntu (by Caitlyn Martin on 2008-11-24 20:28:37 GMT from United States)
A quick response to #34: Wal-Mart did briefly sell Linspire loaded machines in a limited number of stores and then relegated them to their website. The quote from Wal-Mart mangement at the time was that Linux wasn't what their customers wanted. The plain fact is that big box retailers in North America, with the exception of a few, very short lived failed attempts, have never sold Linux side-by-side with Windows. What is happening this holiday season is brand new and it is an opportunity for Linux. That's why this is news.
Yes, there is anti-Linux FUD in newspapers, on the radio, and even in the tech press warning people away from these Netbooks. I don't think it's going to have much of an impact but only time will tell.
On Fedora vs. Ubuntu, counting unique IPs, which both distros do, can both overcount and undercount. If you use DHCP you can get counted repeatedly. If you try the distro and then move on you are still counted. OTOH, if you have several machines behind a NAT all those machines only count for one. My ISP is the cable company and they effectively NAT all the machines in this household. Many businesses work the same way.
I believe DIstroWatch statistics accurately reflect the readers of this site. I don't think they accurately reflect Linux users as a whole. I think that both Fedora and Ubuntu have large user communities and are the two largest distributions. In North America Red Hat/CentOS is the dominant business distro. (In Europe it's SUSE.) Many professionals who use Red Hat at work use Fedora on their personal machines since it's a snapshot of the future direction of RHEL. Do those folks read DistroWatch? Some do but probably many more don't.
I do believe that Ubuntu is the most popular Linux distro for home users. I believe Fedora has the edge among professional users. Who has more users overall? I really don't know.
57 • No subject (by Nathan on 2008-11-24 20:34:27 GMT from United States)
Why do we even need to count distro Vs. Distro Stats? In my opinion it is much more productive to do a linux VS. Mac OSX or Linux VS. Windows Vista Stat comparison. The only people who should care which distro is the most widely used are people who want to write programs commercially to the distro with the largest user base. As we all know there are only a handful of companies who do that on Linux platforms.
Who cares if someone uses ubuntu or fedora or mandriva or slax or gentoo or mepis etc... as their preferred OS, no one benefits claiming Ubuntu is the ONLY used Linux OS just as no one benefits when people claim ubuntu is ONLY used before a user "knows better". We should just be happy they are using OpenSource software. The bickering only scares people away from leaving the windows user base.
58 • #43 - Black Friday (by Caitlyn Martin on 2008-11-24 20:44:39 GMT from United States)
I'm not going to argue with what you wrote. However, if Friday isn't the busiest shopping day of the year then CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, and all four articles on netbooks I read before writing about Netbooks are wrong. They are all repeating an urban legend. If I am guilty of doing that at least I'm in good company.
59 • SubNotebooks & Linux pre-installed (by DeniZen on 2008-11-24 23:46:04 GMT from United Kingdom)
Maybe - Many (most?) people buying a Sub-Notebook with Linux installed (and with 'equivalents' of the apps to those they are familiar in using) may simply view the 'OS' (if they think of it as an 'OS') - and the interface - as simply 'proprietary' - in the same casual manner that the interface on their CellPhone / Mobile appears to be 'just how it is'.
Like a Psion was - in days of old.
I'm not sure that the majority of purchasers will think .. oooh look - Linux...
60 • Are you really trying to say that OS X and Windows XP are "FREE"? (by Anonymous on 2008-11-25 00:36:37 GMT from United States)
Are you really trying to say that OS X and Windows XP are "FREE"?
Because if you are, I completely fail to understand you. These are both secret, locked-down, proprietary operating systems, with restrictive EULA's and no source code provided. They are not free in any sense - neither in cost nor in freedom.
=============================
They are FREE because they came with the machine or they are FREE because I can disregard the EULA and run ARRRG copies "Pirate copies" of them. Windows XP at least. Many users still prefer sadly a pirate copy of Windows than a true genuine "FREE" version of Linux :(
I hear Gnobuddy you are 100% correct. But for many users out there, a pirate copy of Windows is much better than 100 Free versions of Linux ;(
61 • @60 (by klu9 on 2008-11-25 01:04:54 GMT from Mexico)
"CNN, MSNBC, Fox News" then "They are all repeating an urban legend. If I am guilty of doing that at least I'm in good company."
I had to LOL
62 • Eeepc (by Anon on 2008-11-25 01:09:02 GMT from United States)
It was sad. I was shopping at Toys_R_Us on November 11. There were 2 Eee's side by side in a display pod. XP and Linux. Two teen-aged girls were looking at them. While waiting my turn, I heard on say to the other "Don't get this one. It is a toy. This one here has Windows XP". I guess it was the cartoon-ish layout of the apps on the desktop; I'm not sure. I got my turn after they left. The Linux machine would not boot. I didn't have the time to find out why. I asked the cashier about the sales of them and he said "We don't sell many of the Linux ones but the XP's are selling good". There were no XP machines left but there were 4 Linux versions in the display case behind him. Sad.
63 • change we can believe in (by klu9 on 2008-11-25 01:14:18 GMT from Mexico)
Seeing as how there's a big change coming anyway, and how yet another few Ubuntu respins have been added to the database/waiting list, and how yet again there's debate about whether Ubuntu is really the biggest source of visitors to DW, may I humbly make a suggestion?
I would like to propose a fork. DistroWatch continues as before, but also we get *BuntuWatch.
Heck that would even cut down the work so much Ladislav could keep doing DWW, while a new team works on *BWW.
64 • Fedora man Paul Frields mine is bigger than yours (by Zac on 2008-11-25 01:18:56 GMT from Australia)
Paul Frields childish statement of 'I have proof mine has more users than yours' was not necessary at all. He should of claimed that number of users and stopped there, no need to go on. He is not helping Fedora with this talk nor helping Linux. People know it's a respected distro so why rip into another distro. Paul was interviewed for media attention for the Fedora 10 release, and should selling his 'own' distro not bag another. Grow up Paul.
65 • Re: 44 • user counts at DW - etc. (by johncoom on 2008-11-25 02:08:36 GMT from Australia)
First I agree with # 57
What O/S am I using today Ladislav and is it indicative of where my interests lay ?
Many months ago when I did an anonymous post, that you did not like, from the WindowsXP side of my Multi-Boot AOpen laptop I was accused of being a Window Troll because all you could see was the "current user's user-agent" at the time. So perhaps you (and others) have to re-assess if this sort information meaningful at all.
Or is it just misleading - after all many people have more than one machine (I currently have 3) and what they happen to be using to visit DWW is no indication of where there interest may lay !
Plus if they are Multi-Booting _ or _ have more than one machine(s) with different O/S
66 • Re: 65 (by johncoom on 2008-11-25 02:27:13 GMT from Australia)
RE: many people have more than one machine (I currently have 3)
For every ones info. (1) AOpen Notebook (multi-booting) circa 2002 (2) EeePC 701 4G with customized Xandros about 10 months od (3) 15" Macbook Pro 4GB ram late 2008 model.
Currently using Macbook (my new toy) to view and post DWW
That does not make me a Mac ONLY user with no knowledge of 'nix
67 • Re: #62 (by El Cheap Bastard on 2008-11-25 03:15:34 GMT from Canada)
Sad? I think you're looking at it all wrong. If Dick & Jane only buy the XP versions then the Linux versions will be there for a good price on Boxing Day.
Money in my pocket is still money in my pocket, whatever the future of linux may be.. I'll always be able to run OpenBSD on it, that's good enough for me.
68 • Welcome (by Dragon on 2008-11-25 03:33:48 GMT from United States)
Welcome aboard Chris. I'll be looking forward to DistroWatch Weekly as always, thanks for stepping up to help out!
69 • Chris Smart (by Justin Whitaker on 2008-11-25 04:51:21 GMT from United States)
Nice choice on Chris Smart for the next editor.
It pretty much had to be a longtime friend of the site...I thought Susan Linton was the obvious choice, but I guess she already has her hands full over on tuxmachines.
Chris is a great choice, and when I read that, I thought "Oh, yeah. He gets it. He'll be perfect."
Best of Luck Chris!
70 • Welcome Chris (by John on 2008-11-25 07:15:00 GMT from Australia)
Great to see an Aussie on board. Goodday Chris. Cheers john.
71 • Error - Black Friday (by Dana-Kim on 2008-11-25 08:05:56 GMT from Korea, Republic of)
Black Friday is not usually the busiest shopping day. It is one of the busiest days. That busiest shopping day is usually the Saturday before Christmas.
72 • Thank you (by Chris Smart at 2008-11-25 08:42:33 GMT from Macau)
Hi everyone,
Thank you to everyone for your kind words and warm welcome! Thank you also to Ladislav for the opportunity to work with Distrowatch.
I am currently overseas in Hong Kong, but am looking forward to returning to Australia next week and creating my first DWW.
I will do all that I can to help ensure Distrowatch remains at the top of its game and that your Mondays are better than ever :)
Cheers,
Chris
73 • The REAL FIRST XGL-enabled Distro - Correction to posts 15, 16 and 21 !!! (by Angel Arce at 2008-11-25 10:36:55 GMT from Belgium)
The REAL FIRST XGL-enabled Distro - Correction to posts 15, 16 and 21 !!!!
FIRST XGL-enabled Distro WASNT neither Kororaa Xgl 0.1 released on 2006-03-08, nor RR4 (Sabayon).
As far as I remember the VERY First XGL-enabled Distro was a Diribution made in Galicia (Spain), and I think it was a LiveCD too.
The FIRST XGL-enabled Distro was " Trisquel ", an excellent Debian based Distro that still exits, and it works out of the Box in: gallego (predefinido), catalán, español, inglés y vasco(Galician, Spanish, Catalan, Basque and English)
http://trisquel.uvigo.es/
http://trisquel.uvigo.es/es/descargas
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=trisquel
http://trisquel.uvigo.es/es/faq ¿Cómo nació el proyecto?
"Trisquel es un proyecto abierto, iniciado por la Universidad de Vigo y desarrollado por una comunidad de voluntarios con el apoyo de la Facultad de Ciencias de Ourense, la Escuela Superior de Ingeniería Informática de Ourense y empresas
como Sognus. El proyecto surgió de la necesidad de crear un sistema operativo libre y en gallego. Su presentación oficial fué en abril de 2005 con el apadrinamiento de Richard Stallman, fundador de la Free Software Foundation"
Mehinks, that at the time it was even commented and some posts corrected here in the DWW Comments in order to respect
the truth and real facts.
I dont have the time to check these dates and things now. If someone has the time a feel like doing it, here you go:
You have here the links to the old releases of TRISQUEL
http://trisquel.uvigo.es/gl/filebrowser/triskel
http://trisquel.uvigo.es/filebrowser
DistroWatch is fantastic, is a source of inpiration for me. I follow it since 2003, I think, but it doesnt knows everything :-) , that would be impossible.
One of the problems is that (like its readers) is done and focussed primarily, and mostly in engish speaking laguage and
sources. That leaves others sources and languages in disadvantage. Even prominent ones like spanish, french, chinesse, russian, portuguese, arab, etc. And all this despite the obvious efforts for internationalittion that DW team makes.
But the truth is that anyway, there are plenty of things that happen in the world and are not exposed by english
language media, wheter it is by ignorance, self-indulgence, arrogance, or lack of interest in any other thing that is not
related to Enghish language and culture. A pity, a sad reality, but is like that!
Hopefully the "Free Software" Linux Distros and the movements of "Free Culture" that followed the free software movement help a bit to close these gaps.
Angel Arce
Thanks to Ladislav and Best of Luck Chris!
74 • RE: 73 The REAL FIRST XGL-enabled Distro (by ladislav on 2008-11-25 12:12:51 GMT from Taiwan)
Actually yes, you are right. I remember Trisquel, it came out just one day before Kororaa Xgl 0.1. At the time it wasn't in the DistroWatch database yet so I didn't announce it on DistroWatch, but Trisquel was indeed the first-ever live CD with 3D desktop effects.
75 • Linux won't run Windows... (by Bryan on 2008-11-25 12:22:56 GMT from United States)
Slowly, the population in general is beginning to grasp the idea of diverse operating systems. Macs have helped Linux in this fashion, with expensive advertising campaigns to educate the general population about one alternative operating system. The general population may not understand this idea that Linux or MacOS won't run Windows software directly, but they are already primed to understand. Ironically, with the wine project, Linux already offers a pathway for relatively easy ports of Windows software to Linux, such as Google's Picasa.
Linux may or may not take over the desktop, but it certainly has experienced steady growth. Its natural advantages will only continue to improve. The Linux "market" already has already developed a great deal of maturity. One very significant example is the development of the Moonlight project and Mono. When Microsoft openly supports a cross-platform tool for Linux and not just MacOS it shows both the increasing significance of the Linux market and maybe even the steadily increasing acceptance of the open source market by Microsoft.
76 • Novell Wins, SCO Loses (by Dave on 2008-11-25 13:49:04 GMT from United States)
Is this the end of the beggining?
Welcome Chris Smart, good luck.
77 • @76 (by Anonymous on 2008-11-25 15:29:19 GMT from United States)
It's the begining. As much as we all wish that SCO would just roll-over and go away, they won't. They will appeal every decision against them as long as they can get the next court up the foodchain to listen to them.
This can all happen while they are in bankruptcy protection. So they can still operate as if they were a profit making company. They simply tell the bankruptcy court that they will be able to settle all of their debts once their litigation is complete, but is highly unlikely because BayStar Capital, a company that had some capital pump into them by Bill at MS, wants out of the sinking ship (SCO) really badly.
78 • No subject (by Macabe on 2008-11-25 15:34:27 GMT from United States)
@58 (Caitlyn Martin): CNN, MSNBC, Fox News rely on Microsoft advertising dollars; why would they bite the hand that feeds it. If the money doesn't come from Redmond, it would come from the Melissa/Gates Foundation (a heavy ISP (Globo) and media investor). Big Media is own by corporations and generally spew out PR propaganda for said corps.
79 • ladislav & chris (by Anonymous on 2008-11-25 18:14:37 GMT from United States)
thanks so much, ladislav, your hard work really is appreciated here; linux-land just isn't as cool without our weekly fix of Distrowatch Weekly!
and an exciting welcome aboard to chris - we can't wait for your first issue soon!
you guys are awesome!
80 • #78: I think you misunderstood (by Caitlyn Martin on 2008-11-25 18:51:30 GMT from United States)
@Macabe: I didn't say that CNN, MSNBC, or Fox had reported on netbooks. All they did was report that Black Friday is the busiest shopping day of the year. The netbook info came from the tech press. So... your assertion about Microsoft is a bit of a non-sequitor.
81 • re: I think you misunderstood (by Macabe on 2008-11-25 19:37:25 GMT from United States)
Sorry, I did misunderstood. Got the "beaten dog syndrome". Especially when it comes to Major "News" Media & IT analysts (Gartner, Yankee Group, ZDNet, IDG, etc.).
82 • Request to Distrowatch people (by Keval D on 2008-11-26 00:32:13 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hi People, I am really happy for fedora 10 being released however, my experience wasn't that wonderful with it as a server. I would like you guys to kindly update the pages.. like distrowatch tables, it still shows rawhide whereas original release is out and running... The Major distribution page is outdates.. ur calculations on ranking is not updated... I am sure after the release of Fedora 10, things just gonna rock the bandwidth due to heavy traffic from the server.... as download doesnt have mirrors.... thanks for the wonderful website anyway lets us keep up to date about modules and kernels and linux versions... lookin forward to work with 2.67
83 • Fedora 10 (by Paul on 2008-11-26 01:37:56 GMT from United States)
I tried both Fedora 10 and Fedora 10 KDE for my older computers. It appears that Fedora has passed the stage of supporting older machines. On one, I can't get wireless working (although that may be a kernel problem -- it was with Mandriva, but they fixed it). On the other, it recognizes my mouse, but will not display a cursor. I know the mouse works because it responds to clicks on things highlighted by mouseover.
And there is no xorg.conf to try and make things right. So there will be a long new agonizing period of learning new mouse/video/etc. drivers and how to fix them.
Add that Fedora doesn't believe in setup tools (e.g. Yast) like some other distros, and I think Fedora has passed me by. I'll wait for SuSE.
84 • Linux Netbooks (by Ed Borasky on 2008-11-26 02:10:52 GMT from United States)
I was in Best Buy the other day, and they had an XP notebook demo set up. I didn't see any Linux netbooks around. I personally think there is absolutely no market for a Linux netbook! Why? If you're a Linux veteran, you're going to want to get a *real* laptop and dual-boot it with Linux. For example, if I buy anything at all, it will be a 4 GB dual-core 64-bit laptop running 64-bit Vista and then dual-boot it with Linux.
But if you're not a Linux veteran, why bother? XP works, all the software you know and love will run on it, and assuming enough RAM and disk, you can add more software. I wouldn't count on a netbook having the horsepower for Office 2007, though.
85 • First impressions of Fedora 10 (by Ed Borasky on 2008-11-26 02:17:07 GMT from United States)
I've got it running in a virtual machine, so I'm not sure how many of the issues will go away if I try it in a real machine. But I've got openSUSE 11 Beta 5 running on my laptop, and I don't see enough goodness in Fedora 10 to make me want to run it on the laptop in preference even to openSUSE 11.0, and certainly not in preference to openSUSE 11.1 when it's fully stable.
Summary ... I'm sticking with openSUSE 11.x on the laptop and Gentoo on the desktop. Next up -- Lenny.
86 • black friday and tech (by foobarred on 2008-11-26 02:32:40 GMT from United States)
the numbers quoted for the Dec 23 sales only include figures from shopping centers. They don't include individual stores, which would mean they don't include figures from large eletronic retailers like Best Buy and Fry's Electronics, nor do they include online sales many of whom, like newegg.com, offer Black Fridays deals.
If anything, I bet if you can accurately account for all sales everywhere, then broke it down by category of goods purchased, I bet Black Friday is the when most tech goods are purchased by far
87 • Re 83 - No Xorg.conf in F10 (by It seems there is on 2008-11-26 02:34:02 GMT from Australia)
...but you may need to create it and read up on some technical issues.
FeatureAcceptedF10
Traditionally, the X server used the mouse or the keyboard input drivers. With X11R7.3, the evdev driver became more prominent. F10 now uses the evdev driver as standard driver for all mouse and keyboard devices and provides the necessary hotplugging facilities to detect the devices at run-time. The mouse and kbd drivers are essentially obsolete now and are disabled in the default settings.
[...]
".... What to do with the xorg.conf
Input device configuration in the xorg.conf is obsolete if hotplugging is used. Remember, we have two configuration files now. One is xorg.conf, the other one is the fdi file, but both don't know about each other. The server parses xorg.conf first, then gets the devices through HAL. And here we have a big culprit: if you add a InputDevice section with the mouse driver, it will conflict with the evdev driver. So when all mice are added through the HAL evdev hotplugging mechanism, their events are not only sent through the respective /dev/input/eventX file, but also through /dev/input/mouseX and /dev/input/mice. Hence, if you have devices using the mouse or kbd driver in your xorg.conf, you will get duplicate events. As a result, by default devices using the mouse/kbd drivers are disabled and only those devices added through HAL are enabled. ...."
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/EvdevInputDriver
88 • #84: Linux Netbook sales (by Caitlyn Martin on 2008-11-26 04:48:18 GMT from United States)
#84: I can't agree. Best Buy near me does have Linux netbooks. Target near me (Wake Forest, NC) **ONLY** has the Linux version of the Asus Eee PC 900a. Not an XP version to be found. They have a big endcap display with lots and bunches of them stacked high.
No market? Sales numbers over the last year seem to claim otherwise. That's why so many manufacturers have followed Asus' lead and offered Linux-based systems.
89 • #63 *buntuwatch (by arno911 on 2008-11-26 09:50:54 GMT from Germany)
this is long overdue. good idea. ;)
But i think it wont happen, unless you register that domain and start it. DW is certainly not interested in splitting things up.
DW even covers Solaris and BSD, which are traditionally not considered "Distributions" and not Linux, but UNIX.
DW mixes the biggest contributors, the smallest specialized projects and the most meaningless Clones with changed Artwork.
DW doesnt care if its commercial or free as in beer, nor if its a one man project, community-driven, or big business.
DW brings you the whole world of OSs, except MS and Apple :)
the choice is yours.
i really dont think this will change. it has advantages for the reader. learn something new every (mon)day!
b.r.
arno911
90 • OpenSolaris rc2 (by capricornus on 2008-11-26 12:58:37 GMT from Belgium)
It could be the better OS for servers. But private user, beware. It is slower than average, in everything. It is - together with BSD - one of the few OS'es that demands a primary partition, not an extended. It is the first OS that can't make a stupid LAN connection. And I seem stupid enough not to be able to tell this system how, because there are not enough options to get there. The rep's don't know about VLC or Filezilla. CrossOver 7.10 won't install. With this SOLaris, the SUN doesn't shine on my pc. Next: Fedora10. Wish me no waste of time again.
91 • Fedora 10 (by drizake on 2008-11-26 13:08:03 GMT from United States)
I read the release announcement from Red Hat yesterday and went home and downloaded and the latest Fedora. It booted fine in live mode and the sound worked, so I went ahead and did a hard drive install. This is the furthest I've ever went with a Fedora release. It does boots quickly. It does prompt you to search for missing proprietary multimedia codecs, but doesn't find them unless you've already added the third party repositories.
My first complaint lies in the new package manager. It's way slow compared to the Debian based distros I've gotten used to. Maybe it's because the servers were overloaded. It took way too long to update the package lists from the sources and way way too long to download anything. I forgot how painful RPM can be.
Also, they advertise that Fedora comes with OpenOffice 3, but it was not installed by default. I had to download it from the repository. Search results for "OpenOffice" did not return a single package or metapackage for the office suite, but a separate package for each OpenOffice application. I had to go through the list and hand pick the packages I wanted to install.
Even after installing the RPM Fusion repo, I still had to go out to Adobe's web site to download the flash RPM (which worked fine).
The display had problems rendering. You know where you move a window over another one and it doesn't refresh properly after you close the top window. It only refreshes after I drag the window off the screen and then back on the screen. I'm sure you have seen this problem before. I found no intuitive (GUI) way of checking which graphics driver I was using.
The last straw was this morning before work. I went to check my email online using Firefox. The whole OS froze as I was typing gmail.com in the address bar. This was a few minutes after I had used the PC to check my online banking. It hadn't even been back to sleep. I'm reinstalling Mint 6 RC as soon as I get home tonight.
92 • fedora10 (by capricornus on 2008-11-26 13:28:14 GMT from Belgium)
Is it my unlucky day? After installing fedora10 over OpenSolaris, restarting gives me "bad PBR sig" and that's it. And installing PCLOS over it resulted in the same exaltation. Googling this problem shows that it is experienced by several testers after a Solaris installation. Ow, great! Little testers out there, take care!
93 • @92 (by drizake on 2008-11-26 14:21:46 GMT from United States)
Are you by any chance installing Fedora on your second hard drive? I used to get the same error when I did that and had to use the super grub disc to fix the boot record...
94 • Changes, loses and not again! (by JJ on 2008-11-26 15:43:10 GMT from United States)
Welcome Chris. Don't change anything, be yourself. Don't fill his shoes, walk in yours. :)
Boo hoo hoo to SCO. If I remember my civil Law, for SCO to appeal they have to post 1.5 or 2 times the amount of the awarded damages.
Everex. I sold those things in the mid 80's. We would get 5 units in, cannibalize all 5 and were lucky if we got 3 out the door and happy if at least one stayed out. I really hate to see Linux rolled out on these crappy machines. It will do more harm than good.
95 • Fedora 10 (by Jerry B. on 2008-11-26 17:47:24 GMT from United States)
They've uncorked a good one here; wireless! On this Toshiba Satellite, working great so far.
Fast boot up. etc.. :O)
96 • Fedora 10 Re: 87 (by Paul on 2008-11-26 18:30:25 GMT from United States)
So I went ahead and installed Fedora 10 in spite of my misgivings. After installing some nice things, I tackled getting the nVidia driver installed. After adding a bunch more stuff to recompile the kernel, I got it working.
And! Lo and behold, the mouse cursor is now displayed. So I take back some of the bad things I was thinking about Fedora. But not all of them. Setup is still far from complete, and I haven't even thought about samba yet.
97 • fedora10 (by capricornus on 2008-11-26 18:40:37 GMT from Belgium)
Well, I completely reformatted my sole SATA disk, and tried Fedora10 again. Smoothly and swiftly, yes. But then: ia32-libs: ??? I'm not there yet, and I consider to drop this OS again, since it is too hard for the dummie that writes this remark. In the *buntus and other debians, apt-get install ia32-libs is easy. Why is it not easy with Fedora?
98 • Ultimate Edition (by jack on 2008-11-26 18:49:16 GMT from Canada)
The following is an email that I sent to Linuxcd.org:
I do not have a DVD burner. so I bought this from you.
As soon as I press enter on the initial language screen it comes up with the logo and about 4 choices. "Start with safe graphical ui" is (iirc) one. Hopefully this refers to a "live" dvd install and not a hd install. It then pops up a warnig about an error and the word "reboot"
Pressing enter repeats the process.
If I don't press enter on the language screen and just wait for the seconds to reach zero it begins showing lots of "error" lines with reference to "block" numbers.
At line number 1000 I pressed the reset button.
This happened on 2 computers.
Thinking it might be my computers I took it to an neighbour who uses Windows XP
Basically the same thing.
So he downloaded and burnt a dvd.
The same rsult on all our computers.
I do NOT want another copy of Ultimate Edition.
I would like some kind of credit towards future purchases
Thank you
99 • 84 (by Dick Cheney on 2008-11-26 20:10:20 GMT from United States)
Ed:
The Best Buy in my town has both Windows and Linux Netbooks. Target, at least several stores, offers only Linux AFAICT. I think you have an incorrect understanding of Linux netbooks - they should be thought of more as appliances/ultraportables. They are not Linux laptops.
The interface is very easy. "But if you're not a Linux veteran, why bother?" indicates that you have not seen a Linux netbook. You don't use Linux, you just run a Linux desktop. The main hurdle to Linux is installation on incompatible hardware. Anyone can open a browser, check email, play games in the airport, and install a few simple apps. It's not much different from using a computer in the library. It doesn't make any difference if you are searching for books using programs installed on top of Linux or Windows. (And good luck with the anti-virus and anti-spyware software on a netbook!)
100 • re #98 Ultimate Edition (by Glenn on 2008-11-26 20:11:43 GMT from Canada)
Hiya Jack.
I had a problem when first trying to install Ultimate edition so I went into the BIOS and reset it. The install then worked.
You may want to try that before giving up on the Distro.
Glenn
101 • Fedora 10 ATI/AMD fglrx driver (by Chris on 2008-11-27 06:07:51 GMT from United States)
I've been hunting for the fglrx driver,
and finally found it.
go to the AMD website,
go to Support/Graphics Drivers,
click the Linux, X86 or X86_64,
click Radeon,
click your graphics card,
mine is ATI Radeon X1300 Series,
click GO.
click ATI Driver Installer.
It downloads a shell script.
The 'Installer Instructions' tells how to run the script.
Fedora 9 installed 'fglrx' automatically.
This Fedora 10 is a step backwards.
Chris
102 • Management skills (by Roachboy on 2008-11-27 08:23:02 GMT from Kenya)
Kudos Ladislav. I think you handled the transition to a new editor very well. You are without doubt a skillful manager.
103 • Fedora 10 (by Jerry B. on 2008-11-27 13:08:38 GMT from United States)
I installed the KDE version and am happy with it about 75% so far.
CD player works and recognizes CD music data etc, and it plays the songs, but there is
no sound. There is sound in the CD burner/ripper utility, but not in CD player (KSCD).
Also, the "widget" utility for adding launch icons to the bottom panel only adds them to
the right hand side with no way to move them even when not locked. Strange.. you're
stuck with them there.
Other little problems. Am thinking of trying to use the Gnome version.
But this is otherwise a well-thought out distro.. it shows maturity, if you will, and is
FAR and away better than the version #9 on this Toshiba laptop.
104 • re:#98 and 100 (by jack on 2008-11-27 16:37:47 GMT from Canada)
Linuxcd have agreed to give me a refund (Very quick response)
He would like feedback.
My XP friend is into gaming and downloaded and burnt the "gaming" version of Ultimate Edition.(i had the i386 dvd)
He asked me over to take a look.
It loaded ok and he selected a game called Sauer...(can't rmember the full name. It is a fps game )
the cursor became separated from the mouse and went in jerks across the screen. He did whatever window gamers do to try to get control; finally
had to press the reset button.
105 • Adam Williamson is fired.... (by glyj on 2008-11-27 21:50:38 GMT from France)
Another HUGE mistake made by Mandriva :-(
http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?p=598312#598312
I'm really sad today...
106 • Re: #104 (by Constant Observer2 on 2008-11-28 01:29:16 GMT from United States)
Ultimate Gamers 2.0: If your System is up to speed, then still may require an Install and Activation of Recent Video Driver and turn off Compiz and those Desktop Effects to provide proper use and performance, especially in those 3D Games. All works great here with Quad Cores and even on 5 year old Computers.
107 • Adam @ Mandriva (by Anonymous on 2008-11-28 04:00:28 GMT from United States)
I certainly won't shed any tears for Adam. His Ubuntu bashing web trolling will not be missed. I am sort of happy he's gone!
108 • @107 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-11-28 04:35:43 GMT from Canada)
What a lovely sentiment - I hope you lose your job so I can attack you in the same position.
If the only thing you know about me is what I said about Canonical, you're clearly not paying much attention.
109 • re 107 (by Anonymous on 2008-11-28 05:15:20 GMT from Canada)
Adam didn't say anything bad about Ubuntu. He was talking about Canonical which is not the same thing. He didn't even say anything really bad about Canonical either. He just said that Canonical's business is not viable and is damaging the Linux environment. And I happen to totally agree with him. You are a tipical Ubuntu fanboy. I am very skeptical you'll ever be able to understand Adam's arguments. But that's OK. Be happy with Ubuntu.
110 • For Adam W. (by Caraibes on 2008-11-28 10:21:44 GMT from Dominican Republic)
I am sorry you loose your job. You have been doing a good work for Linux in general. I am confident you will get something better !
111 • Attaboy for Mandriva (by paul on 2008-11-28 12:34:46 GMT from United States)
While fine tuning Fedora 10, I also downloaded the latest openSuSE release candidate. Neither can handle my MA111 wireless dongle. (Although SuSe knew what it was.)
Mandriva, on the other hand sent out an updated kernel that handles it perfectly. And this kernel version is lower numbered that either Fedora or openSuSE. I had originally thought that the kernel developers had seen the error of their ways, and updated the kernel. Now it occurs to me that the folks at Mandriva must have modified the kernel themselves. Thank you Mandriva!
112 • Adam Williamson (by Jerry B. on 2008-11-28 12:51:26 GMT from United States)
Sorry to hear about your leaving Mandriva, Mr. Williamson.
If you haven't landed somewhere else already, I know you will soon and where ever it is will be better for you being there.
For now I'm happy with Fedora 10, but let us know where you end up so we can begin testing and using that distro too.
Take care,
- Jerry B.
113 • Thank you Ladislav and good luck Chis (by Jim Putman on 2008-11-28 13:39:32 GMT from United States)
Glad to see the DWW will continue. Thank you both for the dedication and effort that make this site and this weekly such a landmark of the Linux community.
114 • Adam (by Dick Cheney on 2008-11-28 14:38:40 GMT from United States)
Adam:
That's awful to hear, but with the state of the economy, one positive is that it was out of your control. I'm guessing you will be able to find work soon. I think you did a good job.
107 demonstrates that there should be a minimum age of at least 14 to post in this fourm. Maybe Ladislav will have time to implement that feature now that he won't be spending all his time on DWW.
115 • @114 (by Jerry B. on 2008-11-28 15:07:09 GMT from United States)
At least it could be set up for membership with usernames and a signed user agreement. No more "anonymous" posts.
Might help a little.
116 • Thanks (by Adam Williamson on 2008-11-28 17:05:25 GMT from Canada)
Thanks for the support, guys. :)
117 • @ 114 (by Anonymous on 2008-11-28 18:21:25 GMT from United States)
Comment deleted (offensive).
118 • @ 117 (by DeniZen on 2008-11-28 19:21:28 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'm neither defending or praising Adam W, nor your post. - you are both perfectly capable of both I'm sure - but I would say that I am fairly sure Adam's comments were directed to Canonical/M.Shuttleworth and its/his business model / strategy etc - and the ramifications of that (in his opinion) - - not at 'Ubuntu'.
They are not the same thing.
All that said, sorry to hear Adams news - I hope a new and exciting opportunity soon presents itself (as I am quite sure that it will)
119 • @117 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-11-28 19:41:32 GMT from Canada)
Er, week after week? That whole thing lasted less than a week. I don't know where you're getting your timescales.
"Adam also excuses Ubuntu of weakening Linux in general"
Canonical. Canonical, not Ubuntu. But yes, I do.
"because more vendors have chosen to spinoff from Ubuntu rather than Mandriva"
Nope, no points. That's not what I said at all. Perhaps you should read my article before you attack me.
"His response on their blog was unprofessional, pathetic and so are you Dick-head @114"
Thanks for the lesson on professionalism, potty mouth. For anyone interested, the article in question is: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/10/mandriva-linux-20090-is-out-bu.html . My comment is the first.
I took their suggestion that 2009 would have to be better than Ubuntu, and in a light hearted way, pointed out the ways in which 2009 is (of course, in my opinion) better than Ubuntu. I'm hard pressed to see how this is "crying out like a baby girl" (and what's wrong with girls anyway?), "unprofessional", or "pathetic".
120 • to adam (by killer1987 on 2008-11-28 19:42:44 GMT from Italy)
hi adam,
i've sent you an e-mail but probably you didn't read it yet.. anyway i would like to thank you for the help and support and for the great work you did for the community.. hope you'll come back again, convince your boss : ) good luck!!!
Marcello
121 • Adam Williamson (by Anonymous on 2008-11-28 22:06:12 GMT from United States)
Okay Adam you win, good luck with Unemployment. And I was not potty mouth! I was referring to Dick Cheney. I do applaud Mandriva for this excellent decision at giving you that axe. I do hope that you do get another job. I am sorry, thanks for setting the record straight even though I think you are still wrong. I heard Ubuntu is hiring and so is McDonalds.
122 • An open Letter to Mandriva CEO's (by killer1987 on 2008-11-29 10:43:33 GMT from Italy)
i don't give a fuck what other users think about Adam, the important think is what MANDRIVA USERS think about him.. this is an open letter to the CEO that everyone of our community should read:
http://rodgerdean.org/blog/2008/11/28/open-letter-to-mrherve-yahi-mandriva-ceo/
if you can Adam, let him read it
Bye
Marcello
123 • The trouble (by Chris Lees on 2008-11-29 11:16:30 GMT from Australia)
The trouble with the Linux-based netbooks is not that they come with Linux, but that the Linux distributions used are always locked-down and require a bit of trickery or hackery to get access to the package manager. I bought an Aspire One with Linux and I couldn't get the package manager working. I admitted defeat and installed Ubuntu netbook edition. How many non-Linux users will admit defeat and install Windows, thinking that all Linux distributions are limited and difficult to get working properly?
I know at least some of them on the Aspire One forums do. Hopefully things will change once more netbooks come with Ubuntu Netbook Edition. I get 2/3s the battery life but it's SO MUCH MORE a usable machine.
124 • Death Of A Salesman (by Landor on 2008-11-29 11:20:13 GMT from Canada)
Well, I myself actually considered e-mailing the powers that be at Mandriva regarding various comments Adam has made here during my reading of DWW. I found it quite odd that he used a "disclaimer" (afterwards) once that it was on his time and thus totally within his right to. Though "if" I recall correctly, prior to the post he was commenting on Mandriva's behalf with another post.
I don't think his personal beliefs on community and how it should act truly fits with an open source community that "should" be working together, instead of inciting disharmony. It's obvious his "opinion" regarding Shuttleworth/Canonical did just that, and I'm quite sure he was well aware it would, and regardless of it not being solely the reason, it was intentional. That doesn't help anyone.
I never sent that e-mail of course. I guess it all righted itself in the end.
I'll post an opinion Adam, based on the facts as I see them like you have numerous times. You should rethink community before you re-enter the field.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
125 • Ref#124 Interesting (by Verndog on 2008-11-29 16:25:37 GMT from United States)
I never gave it much thought until you just mentioned it, but maybe his blog was his undoing.
I'm a Ubuntu user AND Mandriva, Debian, among others, but on reading his blog, I just passed it along as someones opinion not ever thinking it would come back to him and cost him his job.
It's sad to see someone lose there job no matter what you think of them. Someones blog should be off limits to any corporate retaliation.
126 • community (by jack on 2008-11-29 16:35:06 GMT from Canada)
Question:
What would happen if a mutimillionaire came to the Linux community, selected one of the many flavours of linux and threw money at it ; i.e hiring developers,giving away CDs.
IIRC something similar happened when IBM came out with its persaonal computer. Up to that point there were many different brands.
IIRC there was quite a bit of discussion back then.
As far as I can see Adam was discusing the above question
We know what happened in the IBM case and it seems that Adam feels that something similar may happen with linux.
There may well be a "community" then; but different,.
127 • @124 (and other detractors of Adam W's) (by Miq on 2008-11-29 17:13:04 GMT from Sweden)
First, I share Adam's views: Canonical's "business methods" are unviable and damaging for the Linux ecosystem at large.
That said, Adam shouldn't have to "rethink community" before re-entering the field. He is a shining example of how community members SHOULD be. Always having well-contemplated thoughts, always being informative, helpful and courteous. Everyone are allowed their opinions and voice, but not everyone contribute to the debate. Adam always have, and regardless of your personal convictions you should at the very least deeply respect him as a worthy opponent. He has been a true asset to Mandriva and deserves the best.
128 • DW Weekly Again! :-D :-D :-D (by Javier Segura on 2008-11-29 18:28:47 GMT from Costa Rica)
Hello!
I would like to say, Thanks, thank You very much for such great news, I was very very happy few minutes ago when I check the DW and found the DWW link again available. All are really good news! :-)
Thanks for the great work and hope for lots of luck and support for DW and also for Chris the new editor.
Really, Really best regards to all, DW, Chris the new editor of DWW, and all the friends of this really good site!
Pura Vida from Costa Rica! :-)
129 • @124 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-11-29 18:38:00 GMT from Canada)
Landor, people who work for companies are allowed to hold, and express, personal opinions. When I am expressing a personal opinion as opposed to an official MDV position, I say so. It's a fairly simple system, and easy to work with. =)
And, FWIW, I entirely disagree with your interpretation. I believe entirely in working together with other distributions and projects in a constructive way. Check my Launchpad account, and my many postings to the mailing lists of various projects working together with packagers from other distributions.
I don't think this is at all incompatible with posting my personal opinion on how Canonical damages the Linux ecosystem. By your logic, should everyone who has a problem with Novell and Microsoft just shut up in the name of good community relations? Novell's a Linux vendor, after all.
And no, what I said about Canonical has nothing to do with me leaving.
130 • To Adam and his Pal's (by Jimmy Johnson on 2008-11-29 19:26:55 GMT from United States)
Don't look now but you have your shoes on your wrong feet, Linux was born free and should remain free, commercialism is a plague on software, but I don't need to tell you, you have been told before, your just suffering some kind of denial.
What you have failed to take into account is the many ways that a person can make money off of Linux, first Linux is only a part of a computer and the whole part is a product and a service that can make money and that's something most of us already know, but what about all those multimedia device's, audio and video, photograph, auto electronics, nautical electronics, cell phones, GPS device and environment control, the list can go on and on the only limit is a persons imagination and the skills needed to accomplish their goals.
So Adam I say to you today is a new day and now nearing a new year maybe it's a perfect time for you to rethink your goals.
Now what about Mark Shuttleworth throwing money at Linux, that's not a bad-thing it is great and it is a good-thing, the best Linux will always rise to the top, sadly even if it is a commercial OS.
I'm done. :)
131 • @130 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-11-29 20:44:12 GMT from Canada)
I've never made a penny selling software.
132 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-11-29 23:23:43 GMT from Canada)
The problem with Mr. Shuttleworth is not that he throws money at Linux. That's more than fine. The problem is that Mr. Shuttleworth throws money at advertising Ubuntu as opposed to hiring developpers to help the kernel and other modules shared by other Linux distros. What is the difference? The difference is that instead of helping the Linux community, he actually eats up space from other distros.
If you look back you'll see that Windows was definitely not the best OS and it still became the most popular OS just because Mr. Gates is a very good bussinesman. The same with Ubuntu. Ubuntu may not be the best Linux but it is the most popular because noone else can afford the advertising that Ubuntu affords.
133 • To Post 137 (by Jimmy Johnson on 2008-11-30 02:09:37 GMT from United States)
Well maybe your rooting for the wrong team? You are talking about "Free Desktop Linux" taking market away from Microsoft, any free Linux is better than Windows, besides do you really think one Linux user cares what another Linux user is using, I think not and let Linus Torvalds and his team worry about the Linux kernel.
From Linux-Magazine Italia, an interview with Mark Shuttleworth: "A dirty question from our readers: Ubuntu is really a giant now, are you trying to kill the Debian project?"
"Absolutely not. I’m a Debian Developer myself, and very proud of what Debian has achieved, and also proud of everything that Ubuntu contributes to the broader Debian project. We consider Ubuntu to be a member of the Debian family, that’s just purely focused on the specific use cases and platforms that our customers want.
Much of what we do in Ubuntu contributes directly to Debian. We lead the packaging of many important pieces of the desktop, and server, and toolchain, and contribute that work directly to Debian. As a result, Debian is updated much faster these days than it used to be without Ubuntu. We have lead many key transitions and always try to collaborate with the relevant people upstream AND in Debian to ensure that the work flows smoothly into those projects. Most DD’s are very happy to collaborate, but some view Ubuntu as a threat, and refuse to collaborate, or make unreasonable demands on Ubuntu because they think “you have money” when in fact most of Ubuntu is volunteer driven.
My vision is that Debian and Ubuntu both grow stronger through good collaboration. I’m trying to have a keynote accepted at DebConf to help make that vision a reality, but so far have had no luck in getting approval. Hopefully, the leadership of Debian will start to come around to the idea that Ubuntu’s success is very good for Debian."
Like I have already said, the best distro will rise to the top, but, I will tell something that I know first hand and that is Free Linux is being used in industrial products and services and has been for years, it's smart business.
134 • 2 cents on Senor Williamson and the future of open source (by Rodrigo Diaz de Bivar on 2008-11-30 08:14:52 GMT from United States)
Adam, I've always found your posts to be helpful, good-humored, and thought-provoking. Someone will gain from Mandriva's loss. I'm not too sad, though, because I'm fairly confidant you'll be involved in open source somehow.
While I thought your original Canonical post was too dismissive of Linux Mint, the basic point is hard to deny: Ubuntu's business model has homogenized the Linux ecosystem, at least when it comes to personal use. Making money off of Linux for the home has always been a tough road to hoe; it only gets tougher when one of your competitors is offering its product for free.
One of the defining features of the open source movement to date has been the alliance between corporate developers and volunteer coders. The two camps may eye one another warily, but they have collaborated to a remarkable degree. Specifically, Red Hat, Mandriva, and Novell have all contributed code that gets shared free of charge with users, remarkable behavior for for-profit companies.
There is no guarantee that this tenuous arrangement will continue, however. Several factors -- Canonical's approach being one, the sinking global economy being another -- may lead to a shakeout among Linux vendors. The wave of cannibalization could unfold like this:
1. Microsoft/Novell buys out Red Hat with an eye-popping check.
2. Mandriva doesn't go belly up but does halt work on the desktop to refocus on embedded devices, netbooks, and services.
3. Ubuntu runs out of cash and folds. I know that sounds crazy, but what other possibility is there short of charging for their distro? I guess the answer is a partnership with Google and/or revenue from some sort of cloud computing deal.
When the dust clears, enterprise users have one choice: SLED. Home users can choose among OpenSuse, Slackware, Debian, Gentoo (maybe), and assorted derivatives. Ubuntu orphans are more likely to find the user-friendliness and polish they've become accustomed to in OpenSuse than the rest, all distros that better suit the gearhead.
So in the end, Microsoft/Novell wins. Is that what we want?
135 • RE: 125 (by Landor on 2008-11-30 20:34:31 GMT from Canada)
I honestly don't believe that someone's blog should be off-limits. I know many, many companies search out prospective employees blogs, myspace, facebook, etc. They do so in hopes of seeing the kind of person they are hiring. If they suit the image the company is trying to portray. Also, is the person a drug user? Drunk a lot? Has racist beliefs?
Sound business practice.
I don't like to see anyone lose their job, especially at this time of year. The holidays aside since some would not agree with that, winter has always been commonly known as a bat time to be looking for work. I know you'll understand this statement though, it's what it is, that's all.
He has proven time and time again though that he has aint-community beliefs regardless of whatever else he does do in the community. In response to a comment I made quite some time ago he said (though not a driect quote, people can go search if they like) that he doesn't believe the community should be a place where everyone gets along and works together.
That as you can see completely contradicts kind of what he's saying about Canonical and Shuttleworth. But also, in that comment about the two, it showed his belief that the community doesn't have to get along.
What's sad is most people proliferate this kind of ignorance in community where all should be working together freely and happily. Benefitting from the work "and" interaction of many highly intelligent and skilled people. We see comments here about race, religion, language, so few can keep to a topic without failing in their own inability to discuss they feel the need to demean or justify "not getting along, or working together" since there's no reason for it.
What's even more distressing is the fact that a large and legendary project like Debian would hold this same attitude as I read here regarding the article on Shuttleword/Ubuntu. It's people like Adam Williamson who believes that nobody needs to get along and be decent with one another, and those at the Debian project that are excluding any form of Olive Branch from Ubuntu/Shuttleworth that will always make Linux a mediocre OS and at odd within itself.
That's just my opinion though, and we know what they are like :)
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
136 • @135 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-11-30 23:23:10 GMT from Canada)
I really don't recognize the person you're claiming me to be. Are you sure you're not thinking of someone else?
137 • re 136 (by Anonymous on 2008-12-01 00:17:43 GMT from United States)
He has to be, you've been helpful and patient everywhere I've seen you post. And if you want to express a personal opinion, why not? Everyone seems to here, no limits, and sometimes with no consideration to other people.
138 • The Blinding Light of Brilliance (by allangen on 2008-12-01 04:45:30 GMT from United States)
re 135
Landor
We are deeply in your debt for the wisdom that you bestow upon us. I'm sure that Adam is humbled by your brilliance.
Keep your stick on the ice, but not too long, it might turn blue and fall off.
Cheers
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