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1 • Debian (first poster, yay!) (by Jesper Sandström on 2008-10-20 11:43:43 GMT from Sweden) |
Good to see that the stablest of giants is coming out with a new one soon. Using it on all my desktops/laptops and it beats the crap out of fancy-dressed cousin Ubuntu anytime :)
2 • Mandriva 2009 (by Eric Yeoh on 2008-10-20 11:45:18 GMT from Malaysia)
Overall Mandriva 2009 is as solid as ever, however the package manager is just simply confusing. Couldn't after ten years they would have made it faster and simpler? I used to rant that yum in Fedora/Centos were slow, then they made it better. Rpmdrake still has some improvements to go.
3 • Thank you! (by Frank on 2008-10-20 11:48:45 GMT from United States)
Hey I'm the first to comment for the first time!!
Just thank you very much Ladislav, for all your hard work
4 • Frank is 3rd to comment! (by Jerry B. on 2008-10-20 12:03:30 GMT from United States)
Anyway, thanks again to Adam and others for offering help in here about my Mandriva 2009 connection issues.
My queries and their responses took about 12 posts, by my count, out of over 180 posts.
That's about 75 posts fewer than the arguing back and forth last week about (I am happy to have forgotten).
5 • Mandriva 2009 Laptop Install (by Ronald L. Gibson on 2008-10-20 12:23:29 GMT from United States)
So far the problems I have had is the wrong video driver being selected and having to go and change that. Alt F2, drakx11, select the defaults, service -f dm.
Next is that the desktop only shows widgets, no files or other icons.
I installed a windows program mIRC. There is no icon on the desktop or in the start menu. I looked in the section where Wine usually places it.
Running Compiz-Fusion there is a display problem with running Celestia. The window is split into two. You can click and move one but not the other.
6 • JAJAJA (by Frank on 2008-10-20 12:39:34 GMT from United States)
some one has a faster connection and types faster :(
next time I'll get it first!!
7 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-10-20 12:40:11 GMT from Canada)
hey im first - woo hoo - fail once for calling first on a linux website and fail again for not being first - or second
but seriously I have tested all major distributions and was happily using suse for a month until it became unupdateable due to dependency problems- that was hell!
I through on the intrepid beta just for a look and found that this is turning into a great distro release. It is stable (not once have i seen that error when starting gnome about bonobo crashing) , everything works - many things work that didnt in hardy , try it and see - it is very nice.
8 • Debian Lenny (by Dick Cheney on 2008-10-20 12:45:28 GMT from United States)
I was really surprised to see the new Lenny artwork. It really is a nice looking distro for those who haven't tried it. Previous Debian releases haven't looked very nice, but Lenny does. They deserve some credit.
9 • Debian Lenny (by Redy on 2008-10-20 13:04:28 GMT from Indonesia)
I'm really waiting for this release, the great and powerfull distribution. Even i'm using Ubuntu right now for desktop, i was never to forget Debian and still running it on my server.
10 • Too many package managers. (by Ed on 2008-10-20 13:22:35 GMT)
4 parts of package managers? That is disastrous. I can't understand why so many, it's totally confusing for anyone, it's making it hard for software developers to make all these kinds of binaries. I've tried few of package managers and there is simply no comparison to aptitude on Debian and Debian based distros. It's just perfect, why don't others stick to that one? It would be much better for Linux world.
Btw, I just can't wait for Lenny to come out. Unfortunately I've already configured my server and put Hardy - server (although it works fine except fail2ban package has a bug... it wouldn't happen to Debian stable :) ) because I could not wait any longer but I'll gladly use it on my desktop.
11 • Mandriva 2009 (by gurito on 2008-10-20 13:33:50 GMT from Germany)
Well, I tried it for some days. And I say some days because, although I found it "ok" --meaning KDE was ok, and didn't have too many problems--, I still don't like Mandriva's package managemente at all (not to say that I had such a hard time searching for servers which would actually work) and somehow I wasn't able to play my all my music (alas, I have some *.wma's, which sucks, but Oh well). And ended up installing Arch once again.
12 • Kubuntu 8.10 and... (by davemc on 2008-10-20 13:53:46 GMT from United States)
Ive been testing the new Kubuntu which seems to be defaulted at KDE4.1.2 for now (its still beta), and so far its looking fairly good. KDE4.1 is still very buggy and somewhat unstable, but it is definitely coming along - certainly a far cry from the pure garbage that KDE4 was when it rolled out. Being mainly a Ubuntu/GNOME guy myself, I definitely did notice the difference in quality between Ubuntu and Kubuntu, where Ubuntu seems to have quite a bit more polish and thought put into it. Kubuntu seems to be mainly just the Ubuntu base plus the KDE Desktop thrown on top of it QA'd for bugs, but that's about it. It uses Adept, but I also noticed that Synaptic is in there as well. Perhaps its just that the Kubuntu devs feel that KDE does such a great job of creating a well flowing DE so they don't feel they need to add anything more to it, but come now, were talking about "Kubuntu" here - a Canonical product - not "KDE on top of Ubuntu base", if you get my meaning. Anyway, this is a fairly minor issue in the grand scheme of things, and Canonical is definitely putting quite alot of work into the Kubuntu Intrepid as evidenced by the sometimes dozens of updates I get daily. :)
13 • Mandriva 2009 (by don on 2008-10-20 14:05:40 GMT from United States)
I first tried the KDE version of Mandriva 2009 One. I had a lot of keyboard issues (letters would not appear when typing then all of a sudden a letter would show up multiple times) and when loading a new application it would not show up in the menu. Next I tried the Gnome version of Mandriva 2009 One and everything is working as advertised. I am using a 2Wire wireless USB and it detected it, asked me to enter the passphrase, and it was up and running. I have tried to use Ubuntu (various versions) and for some reason it does not like my computer and getting the 2Wire USB up and running proved daunting.
14 • Enjoying several of the new releases (by Brian Masinick on 2008-10-20 14:12:07 GMT from United States)
The comments regarding Mandriva 2009 are so appropriate. For as long as I can remember running the original Mandrake, right up to the present time, one community of users has found issues and another community of users has found success. Most of the time, I find myself in the second group. In fact, as I used Beta 2, I was so pleased with it that I was confident that in spite of the cutting edge features, Mandriva 2009 would be a good, if not great, release. I can forgive a less than perfect release for one that is truly trying to advance the state of the current desktop. This is a very good looking release with some defects, but very nice appearance, good overall functionality, what seems to be improved performance, and overall, a very functional, pleasant desktop to use.
Moreover, the Cooker seems to be better than ever, and if I am not mistaken, a packagekit interface is provided, which really eases the handling of the many updating mechanisms (rpm, urpmi, rpmdrake, etc.).
On the Debian end of things, Lenny, though delayed, is looking pretty solid and worth a look. Besides, any of us who can test, report issues, or even pitch in and help fix them may help give Lenny at least a chance to get out the door before Christmas (was going to be in September, now a 2008 release is questionable unless a sharply higher rate of defect resolution is achieved). Debian continues to release only when solid product quality is achieved. Some people love this approach; others are impatient and cannot wait. Debian is best suited to those seeking the best possible quality, regardless of schedule. I like Debian Stable when I really want and need something solid, and I like Debian Sid when I want to track the cutting edge updates. With Debian, i can get both, and I can even mix them or go back and forth because of the great package management tools.
Looking forward to some terrific Debian based derivatives this fall and winter.
15 • slow week? (by Anonymous on 2008-10-20 14:14:32 GMT from United States)
When you have to talk about about a distribution's artwork being updated, you know it is a slow news week.
16 • RE: 15 slow week? (by ladislav on 2008-10-20 14:28:20 GMT from Taiwan)
It isn't a distribution, it's Debian. They only update their artwork once every two to three years ;-)
17 • Opensolaris (by Joao Paulo Samara at 2008-10-20 14:33:36 GMT from Brazil)
Hi Ladislav! I work with Sun Microsystem's as a Campus Ambassador for University of Sao Paulo, Brazil. I see that OpenSolaris is missing, and now that I see FreeBSD added, I would like to help you so that Opensolaris Image Packaging System (IPS) is included also.
The following link shows an example comparing with apt-get, and I think its suitable for your list.
Please do not hesitate to contact me on my personal mail address
jpsamara AT(NOSPAM) gmail DOT com
on my work address joao DOT samara AT(NOSPAM) sun DOT com
Thank you very much.
18 • @ 11 (by killer1987 on 2008-10-20 14:37:22 GMT from Italy)
if you want to play some videos that can't be read, just open them with totem, and codeina (naturally when the repositories are configured) will ask you to install some codecs that are needed. done : )
19 • Is debian ready for me? (by PP on 2008-10-20 14:40:35 GMT from United Kingdom)
I haven't previously used Debian due to these reasons - I wonder will they still be true for Lenny?
(1) 32-bit apps don't automatically work in the 64-bit version. openSUSE and Ubuntu do this, and make solving some plugin issues quicker..
(2) Cryptic text-based config tools, if any. Especially YaST in openSUSE is great, Ubuntu is OK as well.
(3) Adding new hardware is not plug-ang-play. Both Ubuntu and openSUSE make things pretty easy with printers, new hard drives, USB thingies.
(4) Some bizarre ideological "things" that have never made any sense to me, like this Iceweasel thing.
Has there been any evolution in Debian in thess regards??
20 • Linux Cheatsheet, part 4 (by Kenji on 2008-10-20 15:03:13 GMT from United States)
A small error in the FreeBSD cheats. FreeBSD does not have 'portage', it has ports. Installing a port is a bit easier than what is listed: 'portinstall port_name'. Of course there are about 12 different ways to install ports and packages so no need to confuse people.
Another error, less minor and more sarcastic, isn't FreeBSD NOT Linux? :)
21 • cool mint (by george on 2008-10-20 15:06:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
at last a 64-bit that works. thanks to all at mint,
keep up the good work : )
22 • pclos2009 (by paul on 2008-10-20 15:16:06 GMT from United States)
I downloaded PCLOS Beta 1 and tried it. It found my MA111 Netgear wireless thing (yay). But it didn't have a required file to use it (boo). It also couldn't find my Realtek rtl8187b on my laptop. I am finding it hard to dump Windows when so many distros don't do wireless very well. But maybe I need to upgrade my wireless gear. Is there a list where I can see what gear works with which distros?
I also did the Mandrive upgrade to 2009 online. It worked well, but Mandriva apparently decided to drop support for my MA111. The new kernel locks up if the MA111 is plugged in, so I have to run 2009 with the previous kernel. Which is OK, as I am not sure I would like buying new hardware every time a system is updated.
23 • Debian (by ZBREAKER on 2008-10-20 15:32:42 GMT from United States)
Hey PP....just got a new HP C4240 all-in -one, plugged into the usb port, powered on and Lenny beta had it all configured and working perfectly. Can only imagine how sweet the final version will be. Oh yeah...the new artwork is pretty nice too;)
24 • http://linux-bsd-sharing.blogspot.com/ (by tangram on 2008-10-20 15:42:59 GMT from Portugal)
Nice to see the package management sheet for FreeBSD ;-)
I leave some improvement suggestions bellow.
The portsnap part should be:
# portsnap fecth install
fetch -- Fetch a compressed snapshot of the ports tree,
or update an existing snapshot.
update -- Update ports tree to match current snapshot, replacing
files and directories which have changed.
And if by system you are referring to the kernel then you mention freebsd-update. The freebsd-update tool is used to fetch, install, and rollback binary updates to the FreeBSD base system.
# freebsd-update fetch install
Keep up the good work.
25 • One more thing... (by Dick Cheney on 2008-10-20 15:48:09 GMT from United States)
I really like Debian's KDE 4. Don't know what they do differently, but I like it better than the others I've tried.
26 • Including BSD's (by Verndog on 2008-10-20 15:50:34 GMT from United States)
There's been a few comments regarding BSD not being Linux and hinting that it shouldn't be included here. Did any of you read the front page. Just a reminder, is says, and I quote:
"Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD"!
Thanks Ladislav for including BSD's into the package list.
27 • Mandriva 2009 (by Jason on 2008-10-20 15:50:45 GMT from United States)
mandriva 2009 is solid but its ISO image is pushing 702MB with requires a slight over burning. Unfortunately, my DVD-RW doesn't play well with K3B and over burning. The time spent on trying to get the ISO burned and countless coasters, and a few botched Dual Booting attempts (i.e. installing OpenSUSE 11.0 after Mandriva 2009, killed my Mandriva grub settings, and wrote over all of my /boot directory). PC-BSD also killed my Mandriva grub settings and UUID's there.
These problem of not playing nice with other Distros will kill the Distro-hopper like myself. So, its better as a stand alone Distro or an installed "LAST" Distro.
Upgrading from 2008.1 to 2009.0 is tedious, its best to do from command line from there wiki (http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_Notes#Upgrading_from_2008_Spring). Oh its about 1700 packages.
After the Live CD botch, after trying to Distro-hop, and the long upgrade process... I still enjoyed Mandriva. The kinks still need to be worked out until then i would reccommend most people stick with 2008.1 with KDE4.
also the KDE4 is flawless :)
28 • RE: Is debian ready for me? (by Adam Trickett on 2008-10-20 15:53:04 GMT from United States)
> (1) 32-bit apps don't automatically work in the 64-bit version. openSUSE and Ubuntu do this, and make solving some plugin issues quicker..
Seem to work for me okay? Ubuntu is only Debian with a brown wrapper, it's not fundamentally a different beast.
> (2) Cryptic text-based config tools, if any. Especially YaST in openSUSE is great, Ubuntu is OK as well.
Again don't know how you think Ubuntu works and Debian doesn't, they are the same (more or less).
> (3) Adding new hardware is not plug-ang-play. Both Ubuntu and openSUSE make things pretty easy with printers, new hard drives, USB thingies.
> (4) Some bizarre ideological "things" that have never made any sense to me, like this Iceweasel thing.
If you want to break the law or pay someone money that's your right, Debian are careful that there are not any submerged legal problems, why do you think people build on top of it? It's because it's a safe place to start from.
Comparing Debian Woody to Ubuntu gives you a big difference, but since Sarge came out, all Ubuntu has been is Debian with one less install question and some defaults. When Lenny arrives it will be very similar to the current Ubuntu - the differences are mostly cosmetic.
29 • @28 RE: Is debian ready for me? (by PP on 2008-10-20 16:03:33 GMT from United Kingdom)
Thanks. Perhaps I've been too prejudiced. I'll probably give it a spin later this year..
30 • Mandriva 2009 (by MacLone on 2008-10-20 16:12:52 GMT from Mexico)
This time i really wanted to use Mandriva as my main but its package manager and repo manager still sucks a lot. Is that hard to dump your package manager and use synaptic like Pclos do? You loose good contracts just because of this. Open your mind once for all and do it.
31 • @28 (by A No-One on 2008-10-20 16:19:41 GMT from United States)
" Ubuntu is only Debian with a brown wrapper, it's not fundamentally a different beast. "
What? That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. For one thing, Ubuntu has taken sudo and turned it into an all purpose root killer. And there are many more differences, too, which a book could be written about.
32 • Debian Etch Stable & Lenny Testing (by Portales Resident on 2008-10-20 16:23:30 GMT from United States)
I've been running Debian Etch Stable at work and Lenny Testing at home. Both are rock solid. I have no idea why others say it is so hard?
For Etch just type "installgui" on a net install CD. Then select what you want to do from there. Simple.
33 • re 30 (by Anonymous on 2008-10-20 16:25:07 GMT from France)
I don't understand the problems you have with urpmi/rpmdrake
Every time after the new mandriva is out, I always wait a little because the mirrors are often overloaded. If I don't wait, I do not complain ;-)
Next month, you should give Mandriva another try and tell us if the problems are the same...
34 • Problems with Mandriva 2009 Free (by Andrew P. Dickerson on 2008-10-20 16:55:13 GMT from United States)
Okay, when I switched the ‘Menu Style’ on Mandriva 2009 Free, I got a minor crash, so I just rebooted. Next, it found my wireless Linksys card but it did not have a driver for it (darn) and I wasn't up for doing the “ndis wrapper” thing so I used my D-Link card that has Atheros chipsets. My volume “Up” and “Down” buttons don't work anymore but they worked fine under “Linux Mint.” My hard drive cranks and cranks away nearly almost staying solid green for more than ten minutes but this did not occur under “Mint.”
Mandriva 2009 also dumped once while shutting down. I ram Memtest and Testdisk, and it reports things are healthy. Well I threw out my Mandriva 2009 DVD and put it in the garbage were it belongs. I then popped back in my 250GB “Linux Mint” drive and all is well once again.
I see that other posters have had issues as well. Don't waste your time, bandwidth or blank media on Mandriva 2009 Free, it's crapware! They said a lot of these issues can be fixed with patches and updates, well I an not convinced. A patch may have to be recompiled and tested with the O.S. so that it doesn't break something else causing dependency issues and the like, also the kernel may not play nice with a radical change or update. Don't put mission critical data on you Mandriva 2009 Free box.
35 • Huh? (by davemc on 2008-10-20 17:17:17 GMT from United States)
Andrew P. Dickerson - "Don't waste your time, bandwidth or blank media on Mandriva 2009 Free, it's crapware!"
Kinda like Vista huh? Seriously, all major distro's except for Debian release bug ridden products. Thats what they do, and its accepted practice. Why? because us Linux nerds are needy and demanding turds that constantly whine for new releases. Thats why in a nutshell. In truth, distro's like Fedora purposely release half finished because they want to force devs to fix them and/or take the apps in new innovative directions. Kinda like releasing development snapshots into how the future could look if enough interested devs got involved. KDE recently did pretty much exactly that with KDE4.
36 • URPMI (by Anonymous on 2008-10-20 17:18:43 GMT from Canada)
Mandriva seems to be the victim of its own success. Mandriva's package manager is excellent. As #33 said, the mirrors are overloaded after each release. Wait a few weeks and you'll see the difference.
37 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-10-20 17:23:33 GMT from Canada)
Andrew P. Dickerson, can you stop bashing Mandriva for no reason every single week?
Are you retarded?
38 • Debian on Blu-ray (by Duhnonymous on 2008-10-20 17:29:58 GMT from United States)
Seems a little soon to go this route, but then if the price drops in another year or two, it might be worthwhile.
Blu-ray recorder (on sale about $400, not on sale $600)
Blu-ray discs (about $5 each)
On the other hand, a good DVD RW+Blu-ray Player goes for about $150, and if you bought Debian from someplace like OnDisc, that might not be too bad.
39 • RE:@37 (by Andrew P. Dickerson on 2008-10-20 18:17:48 GMT from United States)
Comment deleted (insulting).
40 • re 39 (by Anonymous on 2008-10-20 18:28:54 GMT from Germany)
Comment deleted (insulting).
41 • Mandriva is great as always (by Mattias on 2008-10-20 19:29:03 GMT from Sweden)
Mandrivas Package Manager is great. It looks good och works well. I don't want to have Synaptic instead of urpmi.
42 • Error on all slapt-get entries on cheatsheet (by Caitlyn Martin on 2008-10-20 19:42:59 GMT from United States)
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but... The syntax for slapt-get is to put a double dash before the action, i.e.:
This is true for all distros that use slapt-get (i.e.: GoblinX, Vector Linux, Wolvix. etc...)
Otherwise this is coming along quite nicely.
43 • @31 RE @28 (by Adam on 2008-10-20 19:53:35 GMT from United Kingdom)
> What? That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. For one thing, Ubuntu has taken sudo and turned it into an all purpose root killer. And there are many more differences, too, which a book could be written about.
I think you will find that sudo came out before Ubuntu, sudo is widely used I use it all the time in Debian. Today I took delivery of a PC preconfigured with xubuntu, and I've had to say that sudo was badly set up, so I'm fixing at this very moment.
Ubuntu is a snapshot of Debian SID and Experimental take every 6 months, then then apply pixie dust and you get a new Ubuntu. Anything that proves popular gets fed upstream to Debian and the source packages anything that's not doesn't.
All Ubuntu is, is Debian SID snapshotted, stabilised, with some sane package defaults and some cosmetic trim. That's not to say it's not pretty and easy to use without having to think, but it's mostly spit and polish. The heavy engineering is all Debian.
In no way would I ever intent to suggest that Ubuntu is bad, it's is after all mosty Debian, however I do wish people would stop brining out these silly old stories of Distro X being dreadful and Y being vastly superior.
44 • Expected upcoming releases: an addition (by Caitlyn Martin on 2008-10-20 20:11:27 GMT from United States)
For Ladislav and anyone else who might be interested:
Vector Linux 5.1 Standard - 12/05
Vector Linux 5.8 Standard - 12/06
Vector Linux 5.9 Standard - 12/07
Anyone see a pattern here?
I don't think there ever is a hard and fast schedule with the VL developers. They prefer releasing later than broken, something I wish more distros would do. Having said that, the following is an expected release date:
Vector Linux 6.0 Standard - 12/08
It's also a safe bet that VL 6.0 Light will release before SOHO in the upcoming cycle. I'm playing with an early (non-public) VL 6.0 Light alpha release and it is surprisingly good considering where it is in development.
45 • Correction to Parted Magic caption: LXDE is not a window manager (by Anonymous on 2008-10-20 20:24:45 GMT from United States)
It's not, though the "Parted Magic" screenshot caption says it's a WM.
LXDE is a loosely-connected desktop environment that usually includes the Openbox window manager. That's LXDE's suggested default, though other configurations may use JWM, IceWM, Fluxbox, etc.
46 • Tradeoffs... (by zak on 2008-10-20 20:52:54 GMT from United States)
@35: All major distros except Debian produce "bug ridden products", eh? I believe this falls under the heading of "All generalizations are false"...
Anyways, this has always been a tradeoff in software development; stability versus, ah, "up-to-date-ness". Yes, Debian Lenny may be the most bug free, stable piece of software when it finally comes out. That's all fine and dandy, but software, especially open source software, moves rather fast, if you haven't noticed. Eight months from now Debian Lenny will be a interesting snapshot of a Linux distro of yesterday. For me, I am more interested in staying on the cutting edge, downgrading specific software if necessary; I suppose most Linux users are similar. On the other hand, sure, for mission critical operations, the reverse is true. It's your choice.
47 • Re: 16 (by Anonymous on 2008-10-20 20:59:27 GMT from United States)
But Debian only releases every two to three years...
48 • @22 Hardware not working in PCLOS 2009 Beta (by davecs on 2008-10-20 21:04:25 GMT from United Kingdom)
This is a testing release, not for installing and long-term use. That said, the devs want this kind of thing reported at the forum, the whole point of going through the testing phase is to try to get all this stuff to work.
Did you try it with ndiswrapper as well as the kernel driver by the way?
49 • @ 28 (by Anonymous on 2008-10-20 21:13:52 GMT from United States)
If you want to break the law or pay someone money that's your right, Debian are careful that there are not any submerged legal problems, why do you think people build on top of it? It's because it's a safe place to start from.
Actually a careful glance through Debian's bts will show you that even they have trouble following the GPL and there are still some non-free licensed bits in main.
50 • Big Lenny's a comin' (by DeniZen on 2008-10-20 21:18:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
I suspect this is going to be a big one for Debian.
I see the Devs have added a bit of extra candy.
No big thing in itself, (or .. is it?!) .. with Bootsplashes and funky graphics coming in the mix - as 'standard' its simply going to attract a *lot* more of the candy driven crowd.
And they will want .. full Multi-media.
its never been hard to make Debian a full-on Multimedia Distro.
No harder than say - Fedora.
But is it 'the done thing' ?
I funk up my Debian, but I know it raises the hackles of some.
I suspect much 'perverting' and 'tainting' of Debian in the next year. (not my words, or feelings particularly) - more than previously. Simply because its been beautified
What will the Debian Purists make of it .. ;)
51 • @32 - debian 'hard' (by DeniZen on 2008-10-20 21:29:26 GMT from United Kingdom)
Installing and maintaining Debian is certainly not 'hard'!
It pretty much works out of the box.
What you *may* not have is a live CD to evaluate, nor full Multimedia as standard.
And the latter is simply a choice. And a choice for a reason.
A Debian philosophy.
Most things just work though. What is 'hard' about it I really dont understand.
No harder to add multimedia than many other popular Distro's. IF thats what the user wants. It could be argued - choose another if thats what you want. Or not!
52 • @34 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-10-20 21:36:55 GMT from Canada)
It would help to read the release documentation. Multimedia keys have nothing to do with Mandriva vs. Mint, it's simply a KDE 4 issue: KDE 4 has no support for multimedia keys. See http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_Errata#Extended_keys_.28multimedia_keys.29_not_supported_in_KDE_4 . They work fine in Xfce and GNOME in 2009. We are actively working on adding support for these keys to KDE 4; we have a patch currently under testing which will support at least volume keys directly via KMix.
You do not provide enough information on your other problem to have any hope of fixing it. Under what situation, exactly, does your hard disk "crank and crank away"?
53 • Mandriva (by JJ on 2008-10-20 21:55:23 GMT from Finland)
I've been using or rather trying to use the new Mandriva One Gnome on my thinkpad x31 for 9 days now and I would really like to like it but it has a bunch of problems... None of which are related to the package manager btw, it "just works", I have no idea what people a whining about... But the problems: the whole system seems to work at random speed, sometimes it's ok for a minute or so and sometimes it's just very sluggish and generally it keeps pausing for no apparent reason. I've tried to turn off all power management stuff etc - even from bios - but still it seems to turn the cpu speed down to 600mhz after being idle for a microsecond and also turns off the hdd more or less immediately after use although it shouldn't... I've no idea anymore whats going on there, i'm giving up on that one... Also sometimes when starting gnome it whines something about bonobo and nautilus and nautilus doesn't work but that seems to be affecting ubuntu users also so it's not just Mandriva related problem. And it goes away after a couple of restarts, no changes to setup required. That said, I'm now considering going back to opensuse...
54 • Vectorlinux (by Joey on 2008-10-20 21:57:33 GMT from United States)
Yeah, there is a pattern, Caitlyn.
A pattern of haughty, childish behavior amongst sysops, admins and regulars at the Vectorlinux forums, and in here from time to time.
Thus the perennial #20 or lower here in page hits.
"Anyone see a pattern here" indeed. How condescending can you get.
55 • @48 ndiswrapper (by paul on 2008-10-20 22:06:10 GMT from United States)
No, I confess this time, at not trying ndiswrapper. My past experiences with this lash-up have all been unsuccessful. I suspect that I do not fully understand it. I shall give it (ndiswrapper) another go. Maybe PCLOS will make ndiswrapper work. Thanks.
56 • RE: 38 (by BlueJayofEvil on 2008-10-20 22:18:49 GMT from United States)
I got a Blu-Ray DL burner for under $300. It's an LG model and is one of the least expensive and most reliable models on the market. The thing that needs to come down in price though is the blank media.
But you do have a point about buying a reader and ordering discs from vendors.
57 • #54 -- Care to offer an example? (by Caitlyn Martin on 2008-10-20 22:33:49 GMT from United States)
Why do I use Vector Linux? In part it's because I've found the community to be the exact opposite of what you describe. It's one of several communities within the larger Linux community where I've found most everyone is helpful, patient, and generally open to work with anyone regardless of their skill level. I haven't seen childish behaviour and nobody is condescending to anyone else.
Perhaps even more important, the developers take criticism well. They don't get defensive and circle the wagons as I've seen some folks associated with some other distros do. They work on fixing problems.
I think perhaps you're confusing Vector Linux with another community or two. Oh, and no, unlike you I'm not going to go around trashing any Linux distro-related communities.
58 • How about kernel versions in the package summary? (by RO on 2008-10-20 22:38:38 GMT from United States)
I have been looking at distros lately with an eye to avoiding those between about 2.6.18 and 2.6.25 since those tend to have the cypress_m8 kernel module that is "broken" for the Delorme Earthmate LT-20 GPS unit (seems the maintainer was fixing another problem, and broke that in the process, but finally got it all back together with 2.6.26). So this makes me suspect other folks would also appreciate that tidbit about the kernel version in pondering their distro choices.
59 • @55 @48 ndiswrapper (by paul on 2008-10-20 22:40:14 GMT from United States)
Yup! I tried ndiswrapper with the usual results. The computer locks up on the .inf file. I suspect there is a way to get ndiswrapper to work, but I haven't been able to do it using graphical interface. Is there a simple command line procedure for setting it up?
60 • Mandriva 2009 (by MacLone on 2008-10-20 22:42:37 GMT from Mexico)
The main problem with mandrivas package manager right now is because overloading, yes, but you can't select a best mirror like in the past, now is automatic and slow as a crawl. Updating repos, downloading package info, downloading software etc is too slow always in every version o mandriva, not only 2009, remember not everyone lives in france or the rest of europe.
Why the hell do we have to download the package info every time you try to pick a package? is beyond my mind. That's why synaptic is better. Ubuntu's repos ping solution is the best thing since bread, you get the best repo and you don't have to wait minutes to respond for every mouse click over the package manager.
61 • @60 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-10-20 22:51:47 GMT from Canada)
"yes, but you can't select a best mirror like in the past"
Run the mirror manager tool, hit Options / Add Media (or just ctrl-A).
"Why the hell do we have to download the package info every time you try to pick a package? is beyond my mind."
It doesn't. If you try and access information for a package that isn't available, the file that contains that information for the repository in which the package is located is downloaded. It's then cached, so it never needs to be downloaded again when you try and look at the same type of information for a package in the same repository. It is only downloaded again if it changes (which will only happen in /updates , /backports and /testing repos, not /release).
62 • MEPIS beta 3 (by anticapitalista on 2008-10-20 23:14:49 GMT from Greece)
Nice to see the latest MEPIS beta3 with 2.6.27 kernel and openoffice 3 (not even in sid yet). Seems to work well so far.
Who says MEPIS is dead.
63 • Parted Magic USB version (by Ottawa on 2008-10-20 23:58:28 GMT from Canada)
"My honest opinion is the death of CDs and DVDs is closer than most people think" Patrick Verner
Why can't other distributions offer a version for USB drives instead of a CD. It seems like a good idea.
64 • Re #63 USB (by Glenn on 2008-10-21 00:23:32 GMT from Canada)
PuppyLinux, Sidux and Mandriva do. I run them from USB. There are others of course but these ones that I am familiar with.
Or maybe I misunderstood your comment?
65 • Blu-ray sets for Debian "Lenny" ? (by Anonymous Penguin on 2008-10-21 00:27:46 GMT from Italy)
I am quite puzzled by this one. Blu-ray burners and discs are very expensive. Why this jump from single-layer DVD isos to Blu-ray?
I understand that dual-layer DVDs don't hold everything (but they certainly hold the majority of the most popular packages), but almost everybody has a dual-layer burner and dual-layer DVDs are very reasonably priced now.
66 • Lenny Artwork (by Verndog on 2008-10-21 00:41:02 GMT from United States)
Regarding - Debian has updated its artwork in preparation for the stable release of "Lenny"
I couldn't help but notice that something is in the trash can of the new art work. I wonder if was the old Etch artwork :)
I have downloaded the newest "Lenny" beta, and it installed without issues and runs very well. I lso have Ubuntu installed on another partition.
My only complaint for debian is that it sees my other partitions but I can't access them. As far as altering fstab goes, I don't have to do that using Ubuntu. I'm thinking it may have to do with either Hal or Fuse.
67 • Dubious record for Debian Lenny (by Kevin on 2008-10-21 00:57:01 GMT from Canada)
I'm all for progress but, 25 GB for a single distro ? It's not everybody who can shell out big bucks for a Blu-Ray player. I'll be happy to have just one or two DVDs containing the most commonly used software. I still remember Woody and its dozen of CDs that I had to swap in order to install software. That's not the kind of experience I wish to repeat.
Another question : why bother downloading 25 GB of data if it becomes obsolete as soon as the first batch of errata is released ?
68 • No subject (by smartjak on 2008-10-21 01:39:11 GMT from United States)
I don't see a problem. Who in heaven's name is going to download and burn the whole of what Debian has to offer? I've just been using the netinstall CD for years. What else is needed?
Oh, and as for Lenny, been using it since March or April(?) of -'07. Rock solid! And I like Debian's release schedule. I got tried of update/upgrading every six months. Every two years or so is just fine with me.
69 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-10-21 01:52:29 GMT from United States)
DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 275, 20 October 2008
Shows the picture with filename as :
Surely that was supposed to be :
Or is that an old family photo?
70 • RE: 69 (by ladislav on 2008-10-21 01:58:43 GMT from Taiwan)
I've been making too many mistakes recently. Does anybody want to take over writing DistroWatch Weekly for a while? I think I need a break... I am serious.
71 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-10-21 02:16:44 GMT from Canada)
ladislav - you do a fantastic job - just remember that in general (i stress general) linux users spend too much time in front of the computer and not enough time with real people - therefore the distrowatch comments section is generally populated by people who are lacking basic social skills and feel that it is important to point out a numerical error.
but , if you seriously need a break then i suggest that you request written "dwws" and select the best one to display on the front page.
keep your foot on the tongue
72 • @43 (by Who Cares on 2008-10-21 02:29:27 GMT from United States)
Sudo has it's purpose, but not like ubuntu has chosen to implement it. Ubuntu is NOT Debian.
73 • RE: 70 (by Patrick Verner on 2008-10-21 02:41:05 GMT from United States)
You're a complete amateur. I can make twice the mistakes you can in half the time and do it twice as often. ;)
I'm surprised you said that. I think you do an amazing job on this site.
74 • RE: 70 (by awong on 2008-10-21 04:01:25 GMT from Canada)
Take it easy for a while - get well rested (giving advice that I need to follow)... I agree with the others - you do a great job!
75 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-10-21 05:44:21 GMT from France)
Too much comments in the comments section to be useful. Maybe it's time to categorize? Maybe put comments after each item in the News...
Anyway I love Mandriva 2009. It's FAST. urpmi feels faster (a lot) than apt-get now. I installed the whole GNOME desktop on a KDE4 install. It took less than 10 sec!
My desktop boots in about 5 sec..
I didn't like previous versions of Mandriva (too much bugs and too slow), but that one I love...
76 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-10-21 06:00:43 GMT from France)
ladislav, you deserve a break after all the good work you have done. If you don't find anybody to do the DWW, just skip one or two weeks. We will all miss it, but your rest is much more important. Spend some time on the beach, forget about DW for a while and release some stress. Where I live, it's mandatory by the law. If you don't stop working at least 5 weeks a year, the syndicates can sue your boss or yourself if you are the boss. Life is more important than work.
77 • @75 (by Diz Beeleever on 2008-10-21 06:09:28 GMT from Australia)
urpmi, Mandrake 2009... No offence, but you MUST be sitting right on top of the Mandriva repository server to get those sort of times for urpmi... I installed 2009 the other day and it felt much slower than that...
That said I did like 2009 - both Gnome and KDE. I then installed Ubuntu 8.10 Beta and checked the performance of Synaptic against Mandriva urpmi... it was much faster.. sorry to blow your bubble.
78 • @ 62 (by Constant Observer2 on 2008-10-21 06:40:06 GMT from United States)
Right On Anticapitalista! The latest kernel is just the ticket for even many older and the very latest machines. Everything is so smooth! No jumping through even a single hoop!
MEPIS is truly.......very much Alive!
79 • RE:70 (by Dante on 2008-10-21 07:17:36 GMT from Netherlands)
Great DWW!!! Don`t worry about those minor glitches. I havn`t even noticed :).
80 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-10-21 07:42:55 GMT from France)
I'm not kidding. Where I live, it's FAST. I don't claim that it is that for everybody, but for me, it's 5 or 10 times faster then apt-get. I'm located in France though, that may explain a lot of things. There are 10 or 15 mirrors for Mandriva repos accross the country, when there is only one Ubuntu mirror. I believe you when you say Ubuntu apt-get is faster where you live, because it was the case here as well, even with 10 mirrors, but believe me, I installed GNOE in less than 10 seconds! The packages are downloaded as fast as my connection allows. I don't know what have changed since 2008.1, but for me it's damn fast.
81 • RE: 62 (by Mark M.Y. Words on 2008-10-21 07:48:01 GMT from Austria)
"openoffice 3 (not even in sid yet)"
Lenny is now frozen and that affects also Sid. The Debian developers don't like to upload new versions of programs into Sid that might break Lenny. So the latest software in Debian mostly goes into Experimental while Lenny is frozen.
For instance, Experimental has currently Openoffice3 and KDE4, which will both migrate to Sid as soon as Lenny is released. I wouldn't normally touch packages in Experimental, but during the pre-release freeze I may try some newer packages from there because I know they're not in Experimental because they would cause problems -- they're only in Experimental so that they won't disturb Lenny's release process.
82 • About Ubuntu and the CD issue (by Duhnonymous on 2008-10-21 08:33:07 GMT from United States)
As noted previously, the bug is a Hal bug.
I also noted someone suggested autofs, but this is unacceptable, as autofs is extremely bug-ridden and virtually abandoned upstream.
This situation with the CD drive is really going to get noticed if Ubuntu devs don't fix it and quickly. I'm thinking about switching back to Hardy or Lenny.
83 • viva la difference (by DeniZen on 2008-10-21 10:54:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
re : which package manager is faster etc etc -well thats just one reason why, depending on many factors, some of which are mentioned above - that you choose the distro that (overall) suits you best.
The Dialogue seems to denigrate into willy-waving and point scoring though.
If it works for you, then thats the one for you - eh?! we have that choice.
Otherwise we'd be stuck with Windows Update. (or Mac update - which, to be fair, isnt too bad)
I've never felt let down by apt. OK, I preferred Pacman in Arch, but, for other reasons I dont use Arch, so I'm content with Debian and apt.
That will do me. I dont spend time worrying that here might be a slightly faster package management infrastructure in another distro!
If someone in france gets faster updates from Mandriva, then good for them. I'm probably using my system *while* its updating. Apt doesnt make my system chug too badly while its going on. I dont have to sit and watch it, so why time it? ! That suits me
84 • Re 70 - Ladislav & workload (by Brooko on 2008-10-21 11:24:31 GMT from New Zealand)
Ladislav, - I'd just like to echo some of the other comments. I do really appreciate the work you do on DW (I may not have found Mepis without DW).
Because of my work in the Mepis Community, I wouldn't have the time (nor probably the journalistic or web expertise) to assist with maintaining DW. But perhaps there are other ways we (the DW Linux Community) could lighten your load a little.
Is there anything we can do to make life easier? I think you could get serious offers of assistance if we knew which areas we could help in.
85 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-10-21 12:19:49 GMT from France)
Not denigrating debian or Ubuntu in any way. I like both those distros. Ubuntu 8.04 is installed on my system and I used to use it a lot and I will probably use it a lot again some time. I'm not into distro war at all. apt-get has been the fastest package manager for me until Mandriva 2009. It really is a good package manager. I love debian because I can trust the update system from major version to major version. I can't trust Mandriva to update from 2008 to 2009 because I KNOW it will fail from past experience with Mandriva upgrade system. That is why I didn't even try it. I just installed on a brand new partition. There are a lot of problems with that distro, I'm not calling it the second coming of Jesus Christ either. It's just that I've been amazed by its speed on my system. I compared it with apt-get because apt-get is the fastest thing I knew before. It is still the fastest for some people and it has a lot of good things.
Anyway, I love that speed. I can try the GNOME install without having to spend minutes waiting like in the previous versions. And even during those 10 seconds it took, the system was still very responsive. I believe it has something to do with the new kernel because my internet connection is also faster. Maybe the wifi driver was updated... I'll try Ubuntu 8.10 when it's ready. I hope I will be even more amazed.
86 • 70 (by Dick Cheney on 2008-10-21 15:45:08 GMT from United States)
Ladislav: The comments section is of such high quality that perhaps you could just publish that once a week.
More plausibly, during the slow season, you might consider publishing DWW once a month. No idea how that would affect your site traffic, but there's no reason you couldn't add updates once a week to summarize the news. Most likely you spend most of your time on the Feature Story. While I like the Feature Story, the world wouldn't end without a new one each week, at least written by you.
87 • DWW > DWM or DWBW (by Verndog on 2008-10-21 16:07:05 GMT from United States)
I 2nd the notion of having DWW moved to DWM. Once a month or DWBW By-weekly. You don't have to have a weekly letter.
That way you won't feel so much pressure and we can still comment and view any updates to the Linux, BSD community.
88 • :^( (by ed on 2008-10-21 16:28:36 GMT from United States)
My Mondays are bad enough. They'd be worse without DWW.
Ladislav, PLEASE, have a Red Bull and keep going. We need ya, man.
89 • @77, 85 etc (by Adam Williamson on 2008-10-21 16:32:04 GMT from Canada)
If you want to compare package manager speeds, the only sensible way to do it is with locally stored packages. After all, mirror speed is entirely out of the package manager's control and - as we've seen here - will vary hugely for different users.
I don't think we've benchmarked urpmi against apt for a while. Last time urpmi was significantly slower, but since then it's received a lot of performance optimizations.
@85, I've upgraded four systems to 2009, two from 2008 Spring and two from 2008. Using urpmi. They all work fine.
90 • PCBSD (by Landor on 2008-10-21 19:54:52 GMT from Canada)
Is it just more or does it seem like the PCBSD team are really going even further as of late and just making an amazing build even better?
I haven't downloaded it yet, but based on previous builds I'm quite sure it won't disappoint in the least.
Keep your stick on the ice...
91 • PC-BSD (by Anonymous on 2008-10-21 20:22:17 GMT from Canada)
PC-BSD seems to be the best BSD desktop out there. The only thing that keeps me from installing it is that you have absolutely no choice when it comes to the desktop environment. I want KDE but I want to be able to choose the version and I want a minimal KDE. I don't want KNews, KWeather and other KBullshit packages. I also have absolutely no need for PIB. "make install clean" is the only thing I need.
Keep your ice on the stick... because Montreal wins the Stanley cup this very year
92 • '...because Montreal wins the Stanley cup this very year' (by Rod Langway on 2008-10-21 20:28:44 GMT from United States)
You are mistaken.
Caps! Caps! Caps!
93 • Ref#91 PC-BSD and DE lite (by Verndog on 2008-10-21 20:33:52 GMT from United States)
I totally agree. Where installing PC-BSD is the best installer I've seen to date, I don't care for KDE 4 at all. I prefer Gnome. But I would settle for the liter KDE version. They are hell-bent on only giving one DE.
The only other option is in install FreeBSD and then install Gnome myself. I have found that KDE4 (at least on PC-BSD), is a hog or rather a slug compared to Gnome.
94 • No subject (by smartjak on 2008-10-21 20:44:18 GMT from United States)
71 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-10-21 02:16:44 GMT from Canada)
ladislav - you do a fantastic job - just remember that in general (i stress general) linux users spend too much time in front of the computer and not enough time with real people - therefore the distrowatch comments section is generally populated by people who are lacking basic social skills and feel that it is important to point out a numerical error.
but , if you seriously need a break then i suggest that you request written "dwws" and select the best one to display on the front page.
keep your foot on the tongue
How very true. Don't worry about it. You're doing a fine job.
95 • PC-BSD (by Verndog on 2008-10-21 20:45:25 GMT from United States)
I base that on the older PC-BSD 7.0 series, using KDE4.1. I see now they have fixed many bugs and updated KDE to 4.1.2. Maybe it would be faster. Everything works , it is just dog slow.
96 • @92 (by john frey on 2008-10-21 21:16:41 GMT from Canada)
It seems it's you who are mistaken, that's
H - A - B - S
Habs, Habs, Habs!!
(where do these Americans learn to spell?) (mumble, grumble, bargle-fartz)
97 • @80, 83, 89... hut! hut! hut! (by Diz Beeleever on 2008-10-21 23:01:31 GMT from Australia)
I'm in no doubt that Mandriva's package manager has gotten better... What I was alluding to was that person must have been very close to one of Mandriva's mirrors to get great response times, etc.
I was in no way saying that one is better than the other just that from where I am the Ubuntu mirror gave better response... I'll check out Adam's suggestion regarding the mirror tool and see if it's better.
As I said, I still find the Mandriva a nice release!
98 • re #96. (by glenn on 2008-10-22 01:31:26 GMT from Canada)
No John you're wrong.
L E A F S
(or is that Maple Laffs).... hmmm,
99 • PC BSD (by sertse on 2008-10-22 01:58:39 GMT from Australia)
I personally haven't gotten to installing it cause BSD's don't recognise logical partitions (But that's my fault).
But particulary I feel... icky about the pbi system. Desktop BSD has the right approach of making a good frontend to the standard ports system. I hope to see more action from them... a bit quiet lately =/
100 • @98 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-10-22 03:30:34 GMT from Canada)
Leafs? ahahahaha. heck, WE have a better chance than the Leafs.
(I live in Vancouver. And I'm a Mets fan. Pity me!)
101 • @89 (by Anonymous on 2008-10-22 06:03:51 GMT from France)
I have the feeling that, on MY system, urpmi is way faster. I'm not talking only about the downloading (which is vary fast on my system as I told earlier). I talk about the installation stop, which I thought didn't happen at first because rpmdrake didn't even give me a chance to read what it was installing, but the soft was installed. I also tryed from the command line and it was as fast. apt-get is very fast, but it does a lot of post-install stuff and ldconfig and scrollkeeper update all the other stuff. I suppose urpmi must do the same, but it does it so fast I can't see it.
I'm not sure it is all about urpmi though, because all the system is more responsive and a LOT faster than Ubuntu 8.04 that I have on another partition. I suspect it has something to do with the new kernel as well as the improvements to urpmi. I can't tell until I have tested Ubuntu with the same kernel, maybe (I hope) apt-get will be even faster...
Anyway, for the upgrade from 2008, I had a bad taste from previous upgrades, and I didn't want to spend time with that. Maybe it works well, but it doesn't matter. It should work at every release, not one time one in a while. If it continues to improve and don't fail again, maybe I'll do it for the next releases, but for now, I have no confidence in Mandriva Upgrade. I still love the distro speed.
102 • FreeBSD installed (by Verndog on 2008-10-22 06:38:31 GMT from United States)
Well I finally have FreeBSD 7.1 Beta2 installed. Right now I'm using it. I installed Gnome, but have to find documents on better integration. I still see those X11 green borders. That's one great thing about BSD. There documents are excellent.
I downloaded all three CD's and did some post install of Gnome. I just type gnome-panel from xterm.
It's still hard to get use to there slices and the way their configure partitions.
PC-BSD did ALL the heavy lifting. I don't care for KDE, so I'm going this route. PC-BSD was damn near perfect on installation. I'm still amazed at how well that went. Only if KDE4 was faster....
103 • Linux Mint 5 Fluxbox (by capricornus on 2008-10-22 12:20:44 GMT from Belgium)
Install stalls on my AMD64x2-on-Gibabyte MB. A pity. (The 64bit-version works very well, just as well as XUbuntu 8.04.1 ... and WInXP of course ;-)).
104 • Subtle Windows humour (by funny windows on 2008-10-22 19:29:22 GMT from Canada)
I just heard a radio commercial for Goodyear tires where the announcer calls a computer store of all places, the first two lines went something like this...
Announcer: "Hello, I have a problem with my PC."
Store employee: "I guess it has Windows on it?"
lol, maybe Goodyear uses Macs and they're playing on the PC/Mac commercials.
105 • Mandriva 2009 (by Jerry B. on 2008-10-22 22:19:38 GMT from United States)
Many, MANY bugs, "issues," "errata," etc.
The ones who say they have not encountered much, please post the exact specs of the machine you installed Mandriva 2009 on (I have been struggling with the free "one" version).
This is a Toshiba laptop with core duo and intel graphics and realtek audio and realtek 8187b network, etc.
Installing games will cause the OS to designate most of KDE as "orphaned," and will elicit an error applet advising to run "urpme --auto-orphans" as su. DON"T TO THAT! It will destroy KDE in Mandriva.
Connection issues are rampant (as with most Linux distros these days).
I only post this here because 2009 is billed not as a beta or alpha or release candidate, but as a finished distribution. It is NOT finished by any means.
106 • @100 (by john frey on 2008-10-23 01:04:02 GMT from Canada)
The Mets? What arena do they play in?
107 • re 106 (by Anonymous on 2008-10-23 01:34:11 GMT from Canada)
Mets will play in the old Yankee stadium :)
108 • NYNY (by Babe Ruth on 2008-10-23 01:53:03 GMT from United States)
Mets = Shea Stadium
109 • @105, 106, 107, 108 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-10-23 03:42:41 GMT from Canada)
"Installing games will cause the OS to designate most of KDE as "orphaned,""
This is not true. Removing task-kde4 causes that. Installing games does not remove task-kde4. You likely removed a component of KDE 4 you did not want, which causes task-kde4 to removed, which marks the rest of KDE 4 as orphaned. You may have been misled because urpmi / rpmdrake print the list of orphaned packages after *every* operation, not just after an operation which causes the list to be changed.
I thought dhcpcd had resolved your connection issue?
Mets played in Shea Stadium up till this year. From next year, it'll be Citi Field (being built across the street). @107: yeah, another few years like the last two and they will be playing in the old Yankee stadium - the new public park =)
110 • The "Hal" bug in Ubuntu (by Duhnonymous on 2008-10-23 04:24:12 GMT from United States)
Looks like the so-called Hal bug was really a kernel bug.
111 • Debian (by Professa at 2008-10-23 06:53:24 GMT from Greece)
Any insights on when Debian will be released?
112 • Re: 111 Debian (by Anonymous on 2008-10-23 07:52:19 GMT from Germany)
In a recent interview the current Debian project leader said that they have three things left to do before they can release Lenny: They need to publish a release candidate for the installer, they need to fix release-critical bugs, and they need to write and translate release notes that tell users how they can safely upgrade their existing Debian installations.
Home desktop users don't need to wait for the final Lenny release -- stable releases are intended for servers and very conservative production desktops. Debian also has a "testing" branch that is, in general, more suitable for ordinary home desktop users. Stable Debian releases are made once in every 18 months from this "testing" branch by freezing it and fixing the most serious bugs that users have reported. Lenny has been the "testing" branch since the stable Etch release in April 2007 (18 and a half months ago), and it has been fully usable all this time. Currently Lenny is frozen and it will become the next stable Debian release (hopefully) soon.
Debian has organized a "BugSprint" to encourage their developers to fix RC bugs as quickly as possible. The developers who can fix most RC bugs will be rewarded with cookies. The Debian BugSprint will happen in 25 October - 30 October.
113 • Why Linux will never be mainstream (by mikkh on 2008-10-23 08:45:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
In the five+ years I've been using Linux, the improvement in installs has developed beyond recognition, but that alone is not enough to bring the great unwashed flocking to Linux.
Linux's general hardware detection is vastly superior to Windows, but again, that is not enough to persuade most people, when peripherals like printers,scanners and cameras have poor support in newer models.
Probably the most important (IMO) problem is the lack of a default safe video mode when X doesn't/can't detect the graphics card or monitor.
Instead of dumping you in a text mode shell, surely it's not that hard to default to a 640x480 or 800x600 (preferably) vesa mode that will work on 95%+ of monitors out there - even an ancient 14" CRT could manage that surely?
And "dependency hell" which some distros suffer from more than others - isn't there a way round that? Some of the dependencies are ridiculous in the extreme. Why would I need a text based browser because I've chosen to install a new burning program? And come to think of it, why would I need a text based browser ever anyway?
When I first started using Linux, I was impressed by it's completeness after an install, unlike Windows very basic base OS, that needs an hour or more of installing extra programs to make it useful/usable.
I thought the choice of programs - for doing the same thing, was attention to detail, but I now realise it's probably more to do with strange dependencies from other programs. Does anyone really need 5 or more different types of terminal/console and a similar or greater amount of text editors? Choice looks more like bloat then, and it's confusing for beginners, especially when confronted by the mostly off-the-wall names associated with the majority of programs.
.... Oh and Ladislav, keep up the good work, but can we have these sports fans gagged please - I, and the majority of people I should imagine, just ain't interested in off topic ramblings like that
114 • Mandriva 2009 (an alpha release in reality) (by Jerry B. on 2008-10-23 09:25:39 GMT from United States)
I did not remove any KDE component, Adam. I have been adding to Mandriva/KDE, games and updates, not removing items.
Again, following the installation of several games using Mandriva's "install and remove software" tool, when the installation of the games were completed, an applet appeared with a list of "orphaned files" along with the command to delete them; THAT was my mistake and I take responsibility for not carefully looking at that list before issuing the "urpme --auto-orphans" command as su.
That is why this post here is important: operating systems out there sometimes make destructive suggestions.. as linux users it is our responsibilty to learn about the system and not "just follow orders."
I lost KDE altogether due to my being naive about it. But the fact that it was Mandriva which elicited the "orphaned files" list is dismaying to me in a supposed "final release" of their product. 2009 is an alpha release at best, in my opinion.
115 • linux user forums (by Anonymous on 2008-10-23 09:36:11 GMT from United States)
one thing to do before taking the trouble to download and install a distro is 1. run it live if it has a live cd and 2. look at their user forums.
dream linux has user forums and there are several unsolved old issues going on having to do with wireless (as usual with linux). if you have a laptop, better stay away from that one unless you see your laptop in there with posted as successfully connected.
116 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-10-23 11:29:55 GMT from United States)
hang in there, ladislav, we all obviously enjoy your DISTROWATCH WEEKLY column. in fact, i haven't enjoyed a weekly linux newsletter since before LINUX WEEKLY NEWS!
thank you for your diligent, hard work in creating the best shot of weekly linux news out there!
117 • Ladislav, Dream Linux (by drizake on 2008-10-23 12:03:40 GMT from United States)
I enjoy the DWW every week. Keep doing your job, Ladislav. Dream Linux is on its forth release candidate! Will this be the candidate that is actually released? Maybe Mandriva 2009 should have had four release candidates. lol
118 • @114 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-10-23 16:14:14 GMT from Canada)
As I said, the orphaned package list is displayed after every operation, including ones which did not affect it. And it is logically impossible for only adding packages to cause a package to become orphaned. You must have removed the task-kde4 package, somehow. That's the only way for the rest of KDE 4 to become orphans.
119 • re 118 (by me too on 2008-10-23 16:49:43 GMT from United States)
Adam, I installed applications, and did an update only. I also did not remove anything at all, let alone KDE packages. After the update, it popped up the list of orphaned files. Had I done an auto orphans, I would have lost KDE/everything/a lot of apps. I have not checked lately, but it popped up only that once after I updated using the update tool in the tray. Didn't worry about it, so I didn't check more. When I say I didn't remove anything, I mean it, I hadn't even switched to the regular desktop kernel yet.
That being said, after all the package manager errors at first, and an occasional freeze of about 10 seconds or a little more, it's running pretty good.
120 • RE: 118 (by IMQ on 2008-10-23 16:59:08 GMT from United States)
Strange things do happen in the land of Linux from time to time, but not just as daily as it does with Windows :)
These strange things happen beyond the normal expectation like just running update or just installing new package.
Unless the problem is reproduceable but the 3rd party, it will be difficult to troubleshoot since everyone has their set up differently after the default installation.
So, I do believe the reported problems are real but hard to pinpoint the cause.
Anyway, I had run the MDV 2009 for a few days without much problem under KDE4.
121 • Wanna watch a linux community ripping each other apart? (by Anonymous on 2008-10-23 17:29:39 GMT from Switzerland)
The truth behind the happy mask:
Read those threads soon, the forum moderators are famous for deleting posts that are inconvenient.
122 • re 120 (by me too on 2008-10-23 18:06:34 GMT from United States)
I just did another update today, and KDE, etc., were not listed, the list looked ok for what I did. So, it only popped up that once, and again, had I done anything it would have been a problem.
Anyway, Mandy forums are probably better for this, but since it's been brought up....
One KDE 2009.0 final, one swap partition, one root partition (15gb), one home partition, all formatted clean, no saved files. Nforce 650i chipset, e4300 C2Duo, 8600gt, 4 gigs ram, Seagate serial hd, samsung serial dvdrw. Orphan thing popped up after the first update, one time only, shortly after I installed it/but maybe a week after it was released. Again, I only installed some minor apps/games, nothing was selected to remove/I know what I'm doing.
Like I said, running fine, mostly, never thought anything about it, I knew it would turn into a problem if I let it go through, so I just ignored it.
123 • Mandriva 2008.1 for LTS (by Mattias on 2008-10-23 19:53:25 GMT from Sweden)
Adam: I suggest you to make the 2008.1 release as an LTS (like Ubuntu) with continued support.
If you look at the errata for Mandriva 2008.1, it doesn't yet have many issues at all compared to the newer 2009.0 and all older versions from Mandriva. After 7 month usage, I haven't found any errors or hickups, so I hope Mandriva will continue to support this one.
124 • Mandriva 2009 (by Jerry B. on 2008-10-23 20:43:17 GMT from United States)
Listen folks, this is not rocket science: the latest release of Mandriva is quite buggy, to say the least. I tried again to run updates on a fresh install, this time on an Acer laptop with top of the line graphics and networking. The result? LOL! No internet connection and no sound.
Updates via an ethernet wired connection ran ok, then the KDE broke again; had to run in safe mode then update again. Then the KDE would not run again.
Listen, this is not complicated at all, it is very simple: 2009 version of Mandriva is very low quality.. why is this released as other than a beta? or alpha??
No offense people of France, but this is like comparing an escargot (snails) to prime rib (beautiful cut of beef), or a Peugot (crappy car from France) to a BMW (great car from Germany), again, nothing complicated about the decision. :O)
125 • Ubuntu is for retards (by James on 2008-10-23 21:24:54 GMT from United States)
Or at least, that must be what the DEVELOPERS think...
Just wasted two hours installing Kubuntu 8.10 on my machine. Give you a tip: It's not worth it yet.
You're not "allowed" to login as root? Last time I checked, it was MY COMPUTER! And whenever I try to save my NVIDIA settings, and it warns me that I can't write to some backup file, I suspect that it's because it doesn't log me in as root! Oh, and the settings don't take.
You can't Right-click on the kicker, and move it to where you want it to be on the panel? How could THAT be forgotten?
And Alt-F1 doesn't work anymore?
No. It's DEFINITELY not ready for use as far as I'm concerned, and if the above listed issues aren't addressed, I'll go back to Windows.
Now I'm going to spend the next hour installing PCLinuxOS on my computer.
126 • Peugeot / BMW (by glyj on 2008-10-23 22:01:33 GMT from France)
BMW are great for sure... but Peugeot's aren't so bad.... they only have a sad image...
...Peugeot/ Citroën (PSA group) are world champions in WRC (world rally competition) since some years now....
And Ford is at the second place ;-)
127 • #125 root login Kubuntu (by anticapitalista on 2008-10-23 22:01:37 GMT from Greece)
If you really want to login as root in Kubuntu, and if you don't and someone else does,:
128 • re 124 : mandriva 2009 (by Anonymous on 2008-10-23 22:06:57 GMT from France)
I haven't tried KDE4 / mandriva 2009 yet.
But the Gnome 2.24 runs very well for me. I even upgraded my system from 2008.1 with the new option in mandrakeonline .
I met only one serious problem with my graphic card solved using rpmdrake and installing the right driver.
The plus of the release : OOo 3.0 is launched MUCH faster !
129 • @126 (by Anonymous on 2008-10-23 22:14:28 GMT from United States)
"..but Peugeot's aren't so bad..."
130 • re 125 (by Anonymous on 2008-10-23 22:29:34 GMT from Canada)
In response to 125 "No. It's DEFINITELY not ready for use as far as I'm concerned, and if the above listed issues aren't addressed, I'll go back to Windows."
Yeah, go back to Windows. Make sure you login as root in Windows!
131 • RE: 122 (by IMQ on 2008-10-23 22:38:40 GMT from United States)
Did your set up detect all 4GB of RAM?
I know Windows cannot see 4GB of RAM when running the 32-bit version, so I am curious if the 32-bit Linux edition can *overcome* this limitation somehow.
The limitation for 32-bit OS comes from 2^32 = 4294967296 = 4GB but not all can be used for addressing RAM.
132 • re 131: 4GB (by glyj on 2008-10-23 23:13:03 GMT from France)
Memory pages for adressing more than 4GB of ram ?
133 • re 131 (by me too on 2008-10-24 00:14:43 GMT from United States)
I'm thinking it usually says something like 2.7GB total available after installing the new kernel with previous versions, I haven't checked since installing 2009, don't see why it would be different.
134 • RE: 124 (by ladislav on 2008-10-24 01:49:36 GMT from Taiwan)
this is like comparing an escargot (snails) to prime rib (beautiful cut of beef)
You are right, you can't compare the two. I'll take the escargots any time and you can keep your "beautiful cut of beef".
It just shows - you can't expect that people will have the same preferences as you, no matter how unreasonable the choice of others might look to you.
135 • I prefer peugeot and Mandriva 2009 and I'm vegetarian (by Anonymous on 2008-10-24 05:35:54 GMT from France)
No escargot nor prime ribs for me. Only vegetals.
BMW are fine cars, but they cost twice ot more the price of a peugeot. If you go there, just buy a lamborghini or a Ferrari, it's way better than BMW. Peugeot's cars are good with you compare with similar priced cars. The 307 has been the best selling car of 2006 and 2007. It's not a SUV and it doesn't suck 20 liters for 100 km (I don't know what it does in gallons/miles), but over here, It's considered better when the car consumes less (figure that!). Also, here we say the smaller the car, the better! (Can you imagine how strange Europe is!)
And for Mandriva, it's 2009 for me. It's faster, it recognizes more of my hardware and I love KDE4. I think I can trace where its speed come from now. It's because they installed preload by default. Very smart if you ask me. It doesn't explain why it boots faster though...
136 • A real pointer to a distros popularity (by mikkh on 2008-10-24 08:50:17 GMT from United Kingdom)
There's a lot of controversy about the page hit rankings being a valid pointer as to a distros popularity, and I think a much simpler - and more accurate way is to see how many seeds/peers are available on a torrent download. It's something I've noticed myself and it makes a mockery of the top ten list which people do take a lot of notice of
I haven't kept records, but here's two figures I can compare from recent and currently downloading torrents
Mandriva 2009 - 700+ seeds within a few hours and rising steadily
Newest Ubuntu currently downloading - 170 + seeds
Obviously the Ubuntu count will rise, but the figures I noticed for Mandriva were roughly at the same time after it appeared on distrowatch.
137 • distro "popularity" (by Jerry B. on 2008-10-24 12:56:00 GMT from United States)
Popularity has little to do with quality of a product, of course.
Otherwise MacDonald's hamburgers would be high on the list of quality, nutritious, healthful foods. Instead, they are high on the "junk food" list, and are well-known to contain artery clogging trans-fats, cholesterol and other unhealthy substances.
Same with cigarettes and other tobacco products; very popular, aren't they.
Mandriva is "popular" in the Linux world. Windows is popular in the computing world in general. Is Windows of high "quality?" Is Mandriva?
Eat your snails. Enjoy. :O)
138 • nice forum here (by joey on 2008-10-24 14:03:43 GMT from United States)
learning about escargots (call a damned snail by any name it is still a damned snail) and that people eat them!!
and meanwhile debian is giving us a release that corrects and updates things. i love that. thank you debian developers!!!
139 • Friskiness (by Lobster on 2008-10-24 14:40:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
Wanna watch a linux community ripping each other apart?
Was it ever together in the first place?
Despite developers being a bunch of anarchic cats, Puppy 4.1.1 release candidate was released today
4.2 is moving forward. How?
140 • Ref * 137 * Jerry B (by Verndog on 2008-10-24 15:51:15 GMT from United States)
Very good analogy Jerry. The BSD's are also of high quality but few forums. Even the forums that exits have few comments compared to Linux.
I have Ununtu, debian, and FreeBSD installed. I might replace debain and try Mandriva again. I would like to see the faster bootup that someone else mentioned. Only problem is, I prefer Gnome over KDE. I have recently looked at Rox for an alternative manager.
141 • @119 and Jerry (by Adam Williamson on 2008-10-24 15:59:28 GMT from Canada)
If that's the case it's definitely a bug. I can only think an update is somehow resulting in the removal of task-kde4.
Could both of you mail me your /var/log/messages files, so I can extract the list of package installation / removal operations and figure out what's doing this?
@123: I don't need to read the Errata, because I write it. :) To be honest, the 2008.1 Errata could be longer, I didn't update it as actively as I've been updating the 2009.
@124: I really don't know what it is, but your experience is definitely not typical. I have four machines running 2009 with regular updates (my main workstation runs Cooker) and that hasn't happened to any of them. If you look at the forums - yes, people have problems, but there certainly hasn't been a mass stampede of people losing their graphics on doing official updates (that happened with 2008 because the NVIDIA driver updates weren't handled properly, so I know what it looks like when it happens). It's quite hard to figure out the problem with your install from the information you've posted, but if you're interested, we can try and look into it in more details by email or in the forums.
@131: yes, you can have a 32-bit Linux that recognizes more than 4GB of RAM, using PAE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension (sorry for citing Wikipedia, but it's fairly accurate. At least, it is right now.) The only limitation is that no single process can use more than 4GB (which is possible on x86-64). On Mandriva, the kernel-server kernel uses PAE to support up to 64GB of RAM. Using this option does incur a minor performance penalty over standard 4GB support, though.
142 • yuechh! (by Anonymous on 2008-10-24 17:55:33 GMT from United States)
Is the snail eating thing a joke? I have to do some googling for that. ("escargot")?
143 • they are serious! (by Anonymous on 2008-10-24 18:00:05 GMT from United States)
in the wikipedia is an article about "escargot." french people really do eat snails!
at the bottom it says : "Because a typical snail diet includes decayed matter, carrion, and a wide variety of leaves, the contents of their stomachs can be toxic to humans. Therefore, before they can be cooked, the snails must first be prepared by purging them of the contents of their digestive system. The process used to accomplish this varies, but generally involves a combination of fasting and purging."
omg!! they have to make the snails puke before they cook them or the snail poop will make the french person sick!!
144 • Mandriva 2009: Iḿ speechless - and soundless (by capricornus on 2008-10-24 18:17:12 GMT from Belgium)
After some minor X-org annoyances I got to install Mandriva 2009 quite well on my horrible picky AMD64x2-on-Gigabyte HD. It is impressively fast and swift. Installing CrossOver and OfficeXP, no problemo, VLC the same thing. But sound? No way. NOOOO way. NOOOO sound whatsoever, and for teasing me: sound plays when starting up and closing down. Nice trying, but Mandriva not staying on my pc.
145 • escargots (by capricornus on 2008-10-24 18:38:52 GMT from Belgium)
Any American doubting that we, Belgians and French, are eating escargots? Of course we do. In Brussels you order a serving, and gosh, it's good, those tiny things. In France they are bigger and being served in a melting garlic butter sauce, by the 12, with a good white wine, divine! De gustibus coloribusque non disputantur.
146 • Eating snails. (by anticapitalista on 2008-10-24 19:33:17 GMT from Greece)
Snails are eaten here in Greece too. I tried them, and they are eaten just like capricornus describes. I wouldn't say the taste was divine, but it was ok.
BTW you can also get bulls balls to eat here. Now that is tasty!
147 • Snips and Snails and Puppy Dog Tails... (by Verndog on 2008-10-24 23:10:46 GMT from United States)
We're scraping the barrel when all that's left to talk about is snails and cars!
Is there a preference to Mandriva WM - Gnome vs KDE4? Which runs faster.
148 • Excelixis (by cjm on 2008-10-25 00:55:09 GMT from Netherlands)
Found on Distrowatch waiting list Excelixis, a xubuntu-hardy derivate and i like him.
Stable, nice eyecandy, sidebar and a bunch of dev. software like Mono, Gambas2 Basic, Netbeans Lazarus, Anjutta Eclipse and so fort...good standard fonts.
149 • re 147 (by Anonymous on 2008-10-25 00:59:37 GMT from Canada)
The fastest Mandriva is of course the IceWM edition. Go with Gnome rather than KDE4.
150 • Mandriva (by Verndog on 2008-10-25 07:03:32 GMT from United States)
I just downloaded the Gnome version. I'm running the livecd right now. I'm quite impressed. EVERYTHING works. I kind-a expected that, though. The only problem I have had is with the BSD's. The one item that I'm unsure of right now is my webcam. It's on the endangered list. Meaning something with the firmware. But to my amazement, Ekiga works! It usuallt works the first time, but once I quite Ekiga and fire it back up is when it gets confused and I get that bouncing ball. Not this time. It worked! That shouldn't have anything to do with Mandriva. Maybe Ekiga has been updated.
It's late right now. I'll install Mandriva tomorrow morning and give it a spin.
151 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-10-25 11:48:13 GMT from France)
Yes, frogs eat snails. They also go to work with a beret (when they do go to work), spit on tourists and build African cars.
I've heard strange things about America. People paint their skin in red, they go to work riding a horse or flying a UFO and they dig canyons in the desert as a hobby. Can wikipedia confirm that?
Actually, I've eaten snails only once (and it was all about the sauce, really). Try it someday and see if you like it!
152 • hahahaha (by joey on 2008-10-25 13:30:28 GMT from United States)
this comments section of distrowatch is finally getting good. :)
153 • OpenBSD package management (by Thilo Pfennig on 2008-10-25 13:57:53 GMT from Germany)
OpenBSD has similar tools than FreeBSD, but
search package name ist pkg_info -Q
154 • Mandriva 2009 installed (by Verndog on 2008-10-25 23:34:22 GMT from United States)
I just spend some time installing Mandriva 2009 today. Everything worked. I have been reading all the horror stories and grateful stories. My experience has been of awe!
The installation went smooth as silk. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING was detected and counted for. The installation has a unique feature that once it detects my hardware it has a dialog that pops up with Unused Hardware Support, for removal. I've never seen anything like that before.
When I said it detected everything. Was I end of a surprise. I left my webcam plugged in and not only was it detected but it worked! Ekiga now has a icon on my desktop that states "Ekiga UVC Camera (046d:09c1)". If you go to the website that has all the webcams that work and the ones that have issues. Mine has issues. I can't wait to install Skype to see if it really works.
Getting back to Mandriva. I wasn't expecting much. What with all the problems some of you were having. It's as though they made this release just for me. I couldn't be more happy. I'm a long time debian/ununtu user. I've tried almost all distros. And had Mandriva 2008 installed last year some time. All my partitions are at my disposal on the desktop.
This release is a case by case basis. If you have problems then be specific. It's not necessarily a Mandriva problem, but more of a hardware issue. If you view it from that angle then you will have less anger and a more clearer picture.
An interesting quirk was writing this comment. All my words were in red. I figured it had something to do with the language. I looked all over Firefox and Mandrive, until I just did a right-click and saw that it defaulted to Portuguese/ Brazil. A simple language change fixed that.
If you haven't yet tried Mandriva 2009, do yourself a favor and give it a spin, kick the tires and you too may be as impressed as I am.
PS - Last week's DWW had me a little put off on all the comments on Mandriva. My thinking was they should ge to the Mandriva forum. But given that, there was so much negativity, I was sure I would experience the same. I was wrong.
155 • @ 154 Mandriva by Verndog (by Constant Observer2 on 2008-10-26 01:53:35 GMT from United States)
Hi Verndog. Mandriva 2009 is about as you posted ".....in awe", "Ive never seen anything like that before", Awesome! Try MEPIS with the new Kernel and you may have another like experience.
156 • Mandriva codecs (by Verndog on 2008-10-26 03:15:48 GMT from United States)
I noticed that when I inserted a DVD movie , I had two choices for codecs - Mandriva gstreamer and Fluendo. It mentioned something about the Mandriva version was revearsed engineered and Flendo was commerical. I just came back from their webpage, and it mentioned nothing about cost. Or is this commerical software in regards to the power pack? thanks.
Ref#155 - Thanks. I haven't used Mepis in years. I just threw away an old version I had laying around. I think it was version 3.
157 • VLC or Banshee on Mandriva: " " (or did you hear anything?) (by capricornus on 2008-10-26 06:32:17 GMT from Belgium)
Well, good for you. I spent some time on their forum yesterday, a whole list of people reporting the same problem. I installed a Kernel upgrade, but no results. The Fluendo thing is commercial, almost Windows like, and I quite the site.
But XUbuntu 8.04.1 AMD64 does the job perfectly, and PCLOS 2008 GNOME gives my ears some pleasure, and Mint Elyssa AMD64 XFCE too, of course. They remain on the ir partition on my sextuple-boot pc, and Mandriva, for the third time, will be removed by...
158 • and Mandriva, for the third time, will be removed by... (by capricornus on 2008-10-26 13:16:33 GMT from Belgium)
...by - not by Debian 4, the freshly downloaded and burned version gives me ... a Kernel Panic, yessss ! No way around, whatever boot option. The only other option it gives me is a install-stall.
159 • @156 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-10-26 17:18:54 GMT from Canada)
The Fluendo stuff is commercial. If you went through the process it would probably indicate a cost at some point (I don't know, I live in Canada so I don't have to pay for that crap :>).
160 • Sony VAIOs and latest Linux kernel (by Peter Head on 2008-10-26 21:56:19 GMT from United Kingdom)
VAIO users like me appear to have hit a double whammy with the latest Linux 2.6.27 kernel. My laptop (PCG-GRT816S) runs hot as it has a Pentium 4 (2.8GHz) chip. The fan is continuously on (and noisy) but WIndows XP and Linux of all varieties have coped till now. But the latest Linux kernel reacts instantly to perceived overheating and just shuts the system down. This has happened over this weekend when trying to install (in succession) openSUSE 11.1 beta 3, Ubuntu 8.10 rc1, and Mandriva 2009 One. At different stages of the installation the computer just shuts down.
I mentioned a double whammy. Well, as reported on Mandriva and Ubuntu forums, the latest Linux only installs on some VAIO computers if you hold a key down. No joke, it happened with all three distros just mentioned. They quickly come to a halt, but holding down a key (I use down-arrow) keeps the installation moving along. Release the key and the installation halts.
This is very upsetting. I was just about to migrate to openSUSE!!!
161 • #160 (by anticapitalista on 2008-10-26 22:39:01 GMT from Greece)
#160 Have you tried the latest MEPIS 8 beta 3? It uses a 2.6.27-1 kernel (actually now upgraded via apt to 2.6.27-3) to see if the problem is definely with the kernel.
162 • @160 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-10-26 22:43:09 GMT from Canada)
That's a known kernel bug. http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11727 - add your info there.
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|• Issue 796 (2019-01-07): FreeBSD 12.0, Peppermint releases ISO update, picking the best distro of 2018, roundtable interview with Debian, Fedora and elementary developers|
|• Issue 795 (2018-12-24): Running a Pinebook, interview with Bedrock founder, Alpine being ported to RISC-V, Librem 5 dev-kits shipped|
|• Issue 794 (2018-12-17): Void 20181111, avoiding software bloat, improvements to HAMMER2, getting application overview in GNOME Shell|
|• Issue 793 (2018-12-10): openSUSE Tumbleweed, finding non-free packages, Debian migrates to usrmerge, Hyperbola gets FSF approval|
|• Issue 792 (2018-1203): GhostBSD 18.10, when to use swap space, DragonFly BSD's wireless support, Fedora planning to pause development schedule|
|• Issue 791 (2018-11-26): Haiku R1 Beta1, default passwords on live media, Slax and Kodachi update their media, dual booting DragonFly BSD on EFI|
|• Issue 790 (2018-11-19): NetBSD 8.0, Bash tips and short-cuts, Fedora's networking benchmarked with FreeBSD, Ubuntu 18.04 to get ten years of support|
|• Issue 789 (2018-11-12): Fedora 29 Workstation and Silverblue, Haiku recovering from server outage, Fedora turns 15, Debian publishes updated media|
|• Issue 788 (2018-11-05): Clu Linux Live 6.0, examining RAM consumpion, finding support for older CPUs, more Steam support for running Windows games on Linux, update from Solus team|
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