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1 • Eee PC (by Songsinger on 2008-09-08 10:07:48 GMT from United Kingdom)
Your opening remarks are correct, Ladislav. The compact Puppy Linux derivative is perfectly matched to this compact device and is being improved daily. Debian is based on a major distro, Puppy is what it is!
2 • I revoke Foobuntu! (by Distronator on 2008-09-08 10:10:55 GMT from Germany)
Last week I proudly announced Foobuntu, but Foobuntu is dead now. Long live UUbuuntuu, my new distribution based on Ubuntu and the UWM desktop environment (that's the Ultrix one for you noobs). The color scheme is still mauve. All hail me!
3 • RE #1 (by Distronator on 2008-09-08 10:14:45 GMT from Germany)
Hey, I'm supposed to be in slot 1.
Anyway, Debian is not based on a major distro, Debian is a major distro -- unlike, say, Puppy. ;)
4 • No subject (by Songsinger on 2008-09-08 10:43:19 GMT from United Kingdom)
Re. No.3 - excuse my shorthand for (This) Debian (version) is based on a major distro - Debian -,....
5 • Re #4 (by Distronator on 2008-09-08 10:58:56 GMT from Germany)
Alright!
6 • Two different errors (by Béranger on 2008-09-08 11:06:16 GMT from Romania)
1:
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /images/screenshots/debian-5.0-eeepc.png on this server."
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /images/screenshots/opensuse-11.0-enlightenment.png on this server."
etc.
2. In http://distrowatch.com/5071, "The testers were pretty unanimous in stating that GNOME was not the proper development environment" is containing a wrong expansion for "DE". It's "desktop environment", not "development environment"!
Hail me.
7 • No subject (by NeverMyself on 2008-09-08 11:46:26 GMT from United Kingdom)
Debian isn't looking too good hm? Debian users will hate me for saying this, but their distro has been going downhill since the OpenSSL mishap.
8 • EeePC and Debian (by lefty.crupps on 2008-09-08 12:21:20 GMT from United States)
I've been running Lenny off the SD card since about a week after the first EeePC was released, keeping the Xandros version to show people who want to see Easy Mode.
KDE (first 3.5.x and now 4.1) both run great, and the power lifetime of the battery is still pretty good (over 3 hours). The wifi did take some work to set up especially when I upgraded kernels, and the current 2.6.26 doesn't allow you to build the madwifi so I am using 2.6.24 just fine.
Overall, its been a great setup, and I installed it from a netinstall CD of Etch with dist-upgrades to its current Lenny level. Top notch performance and its been great to have a full KDE.
9 • Distros and Browsers (by Gene Venable on 2008-09-08 12:24:39 GMT from United States)
Sidux Debian is looking just fine; I'm still running it.
I had a surprisingly good experience with two of the new kids on the block -- they were new to me, anyway -- PC/OS, which I'm in now, and Kiwi Linux, which I think is from Romania. I like PC/OS's gutsy choice of Flock as its main browser, and its general setup is unique and sensible and works well with Java and Flash. Kiwi was a great out-of-the-box deal, with everything working right away, sort of reminded me of Linux Mint, though totally different and much less developed, but impressive in ease of use anyway.
In Windows I'm using the Google browser most of the time, and in Sidux I'm really enjoying Opera. So, with Flock in PC/OS and Firefox on everything, I'm having a lot of browser action.
10 • Puppy (by Gene Venable on 2008-09-08 12:43:06 GMT from United States)
"Anyway, Debian is not based on a major distro, Debian is a major distro -- unlike, say, Puppy. ;)"
Puppy is also not based on a major distro. It's its own thing. I'm not sure why you are kicking a puppy anyway -- it seems ignoble. Puppy is an excellent distro and has some good points lots of distros are missing.
11 • eeepc (by john frey on 2008-09-08 13:01:11 GMT from Canada)
I can't help wondering if you had installed to one of the internal drives whether you would not have had to edit fstab and grub. You ask , "if the installer is capable of detecting the installation target, why is it necessary to modify some critical system files after the installation is completed?" I don't know the answer to that but without testing we don't know if it would have installed just fine if you had used a more standard configuration.
How is the boot time off the external SD card? I presume it is much slower than the default Xandros but you don't say.
I'm curious about the kernel/s being used for this device. Given the hardware is static and the device has no option for add in PCI cards are the kernels being compiled without all the drivers one would need in a more general purpose distro? I was under the impression that the Xandros OS boots as fast as it does for that reason. I would think one big advantage of creating a hardware specific distro would be a much smaller kernel and less hardware probing during boot time.
...and no 7, I don't hate you. I just feel bad that you'll never know the joy of a Debian system.;)
12 • RE: 11 Eee PC (by ladislav on 2008-09-08 13:08:15 GMT from Taiwan)
I can't help wondering if you had installed to one of the internal drives whether you would not have had to edit fstab and grub.
No, you only need to edit fstab and menu.lst if you install to an external drive - whether a USB pen drive or an SD card.
How is the boot time off the external SD card?
I only used the external SD card to boot the Debian installer, so speed wasn't really something I cared about. As for the speed of the external USB drive, yes, it was much slower than Xandros, but roughly in line with Mandriva 2008.1 - around two minutes. Not very fast, but acceptable.
13 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-09-08 13:24:30 GMT from United States)
KDE (first 3.5.x and now 4.1) both run great, and the power lifetime of the battery is still pretty good (over 3 hours). The wifi did take some work to set up especially when I upgraded kernels, and the current 2.6.26 doesn't allow you to build the madwifi so I am using 2.6.24 just fine.
Debian places all sourceless firmware in non-free.
Also Google has released the source for Chrome so the claim that it is "Windows only" no longer applies.
14 • RE: 13 (by ladislav on 2008-09-08 13:31:10 GMT from Taiwan)
Also Google has released the source for Chrome so the claim that it is "Windows only" no longer applies.
Well, here is what Google has to say about Chrome on Linux on dev.chromium.org:
"There is no working Chromium-based browser on Linux. Although many Chromium submodules build under Linux and a few unit tests pass, all that runs is a command-line "all tests pass" executable."
http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux
So you are right, Chrome for Linux exists. It just isn't very usable.
15 • @ Distronator (by Martin Ultima on 2008-09-08 14:04:40 GMT from United States)
Dammit, right when I've figured out how to install the NVIDIA drivers and MP3 codecs on Foobuntu, too! Maybe this time I'll try Uubuuntuu on my EeeeeePC.
16 • MSI VR321 & Linux (by anonymous on 2008-09-08 14:07:53 GMT from Ukraine)
Taking the opportunity to ask at the broadest square there is amongst linux community...Have anybody had any experience with LInux (first, Debian, UBUNTU) at that VIA-based MSI laptop that some people consider as a nice EEE PC 90-1000 substitute. What have been you impressions tat that field? I would especially appreciate comments from those who had a DOS-equipped version, not SLED10SP1's one. Also, how it behaves with SLE10SP2 and the newer openSUSE? Thnx!!
17 • Re: 6 (by Linux Enthusiast on 2008-09-08 15:28:57 GMT from India)
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /images/screenshots/debian-5.0-eeepc.png on this server."
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /images/screenshots/opensuse-11.0-enlightenment.png on this server."
etc.
Instead of opening the pics in new tab, try clicking on them. That should solve your problem to view them.
18 • ext4 , Mint, SuSe and other stuff :) (by Verndog on 2008-09-08 16:03:12 GMT from United States)
I'm interested in the ext4 FS. I care more about speed than anything else I'm guessing that Fodera is the first to use this fs, even though anyone can probably get it working on there disto.
I like the new Xfce lightweight Mint. Maybe I'll try that on my older Compaq laptop. Also I see Suse has a lightweight Enlightenment.
SystemRescueCd has a new approach. I usually get disappointed since Acronis True Image is blazingly fast. I know it's commercial, and for good reason. NOTHING compares to it's backup & recovery speed and reliability. But in the end, I will download SystemRescueCd just to give it a whirl.
Lots of good info in this DWW!
19 • Slow SSD? (by Davey on 2008-09-08 16:40:45 GMT from United States)
I've been told that the 16GB SSD on the 900's Linux version is extrememly slow compared to the 12GB drive on the XP edition. Is this true? And if so could this be part of the reason for the very long install time?
20 • @16 (by john frey on 2008-09-08 16:49:16 GMT from Canada)
I'd like to hear too from anyone with experience on any of the VIA cpu based netbooks. Past experience has shown VIA cpu's underperform compared to AMD and Intel. Also like to hear about that Loongson CPU from China.
I'm looking forward to the release of Mandriva 9. I'm actually happy that upgrading won't be advised. I've been upgrading my current system since at least 2006. I'm sure there are bugs from the persistent settings in my /home files that could be resolved by a fresh install.
21 • TITAN LEV (by MacLone on 2008-09-08 16:52:40 GMT from Mexico)
I would like to know "how and why" someone takes what he gets for free from other developers and make it private and commercial giving a damn back to the community.
This TITAN LEV like other known "commercial" distros are getting money for something they got for free, they shouldn't unless they give it back for free too. I don't know exactly if GPL permits this but is not ethical.
22 • @21 and Titan Lev (by Martin Ultima on 2008-09-08 17:19:20 GMT from United States)
I might agree it's unethical if they *had* anything to contribute back to the community. As it is, however, Titan Lev looks exactly like all the other derivative projects (particularly Ubuntu ones, like Distronator has been poking fun at) -- the only visible difference is they've changed the wallpaper. If they want to charge money for it, there's nothing wrong with that -- in fact, since it's a commercial project, it will serve them right when nobody buys it and they go under shortly afterwards. Capitalism works! (There's one for you, Anticapitalista. ;-)
Personally -- and yes, I admit some hipocrisy here -- I think what's more unethical is needless forking and private patches. Like selling "free" software for money, this is permitted by the GPL and many other licenses, but just because you *can* do it doesn't mean you *should*. I'm not going to attack others here (*ahem* Debian), because it would be unprofessional and frankly I haven't been involved in their development process firsthand, but before you start a fork, try to ask yourself whether you'd be better off helping the upstream project (and likewise, ask them if they'd be willing). I'm working to do that now with Wolvix; my project uses their installer code, and (among other changes) I hope to get some of my patches -- such as disk encryption support -- merged upstream. Of course, there's practical advantages to doing this, too: It's much easier to maintain and extend one version of a package, rather than duplicating efforts in two different codebases.
By the way, is that '23oz.' in the SuSE shot? That was one of my favorite themes back when I used DR16.
23 • Google Chrome, how do you get it? (by Eddie Wilson on 2008-09-08 17:30:46 GMT from United States)
Well I tried the download link for Google Chrome and its not working. Does anybody know why?
Thanks, Eddie
24 • EEEPC (by Selket on 2008-09-08 17:55:27 GMT from China)
I had absolutly no problems with my eeePC 701. The installation took long but everything worked OOB no need for tweaking at all!
25 • Re: Google Chrome, how do you get it (by Anonymous on 2008-09-08 18:15:41 GMT from India)
Install user agent switcher in firefox, restart firefox, and set it to IE7.
Then try to download chrome and it will get downloaded. The download link for chrome is disabled for linux as there is no version ready for linux.
26 • Screenshot for MDV 2009 wrong (by Adam Williamson on 2008-09-08 18:22:25 GMT from Canada)
Hi, guys. Thanks for writing about 2009 RC1. However, the screenshot you've shown is not the default appearance of KDE 4 as it's intended to be. I'll try and email Ladislav a correct screenshot in a few hours.
27 • @20 re upgrading (by Adam Williamson on 2008-09-08 18:23:41 GMT from Canada)
We are hoping to have upgrading working with the final release. Remember that MDV 'release candidates' are not really release candidates - we haven't even hit *version* freeze for 2009 release yet, never mind full freeze. We're currently testing a KDE 3 -> KDE 4 migration script which will hopefully handle the migration in the final release.
28 • RE: 25, Thanks for the info but I'm in Win2k now. (by Eddie Wilson on 2008-09-08 18:32:54 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the info. If I was at home thats what I would do but I'm at work now and in Windows 2000. I'm going to try what you said anyway because I do use Firefox 3 at work.
29 • No go on Google Chrome. (by Eddie Wilson on 2008-09-08 18:47:43 GMT from United States)
Well come to find out Google Chrome is for Window Xp or Vista only. I think they are evil.
30 • Free offer (by DOS on 2008-09-08 18:48:26 GMT from Canada)
Try the new Ubundtu Linux distro and you get a free Bundt cake pan mailed to you!
31 • Google Chrome (by Whitt Madden on 2008-09-08 18:58:57 GMT from United States)
I've been using Google Chrome as my default browser since it was released, and so far it's ran great. I'm anxiously awaiting a linux release!
32 • RE: 30, I WANT MY CAKE PAN!!! (by Eddie Wilson on 2008-09-08 19:13:14 GMT from United States)
Where can I get my Ubuntu cake pan?
33 • @ Adam Williamson (by Linux Enthusiast on 2008-09-08 20:10:26 GMT from India)
From where can I find the bittorrent links to download Mandriva Linux 2009 RC1?
34 • Just a few comments (by Nobody important on 2008-09-08 20:33:00 GMT from United States)
Nothing major, just wanted to say, a good DWW, as ever.
Regardless of the EeePC hullabaloo, I'm still looking forward to Lenny (because, for some strange reason, I don't feel like getting the release until they move it to stable - it's like a gift, in a way). I've tired of Ubuntu's ease of use, and I want something that actually lets me edit my xorg.conf file without blowing a gasket.
As for Chrome, I used it for a bit. It's pretty nice, though it's not going to top my usual Firefox usage. It loads a _little_ slower than Firefox and everything is very sensitive (one mouse scroll goes down twice Firefox's, though I'm sure I can change it if I want to), but the UI design is fantastic. It makes you wonder why Firefox and Opera have to take up two-inches-plus of screen space. Also on the plus side: 15 MB of RAM stolen per tab, versus Firefox's 23 MB, which is nice for those of us who have, on average, seven tabs open. If the Linux one is good, there's reason to believe that Firefox could have some competition.
Well, good read. Nice work, DW.
35 • @33 (by leif on 2008-09-08 21:34:31 GMT from Norway)
It does not look like they have made torrents for the betas. You can however download the isos from the mirrors listed here: http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_RC_1#Availability
36 • New ubuntu based distro (by Gall on 2008-09-08 21:53:37 GMT from United States)
I'd like to let everyone know I'm working on a new Ubuntu based distro.
First the name is going to be All-buntu-the-kitchen-sink. It's going to be a general use distro and as such the project is going to have a very broad scope and massive selection of packages
Here is what I envision:
Thousands of programs that can be easily installed using the package manager.
It will run on a wide variety of architectures, x86, powerpc, arm, risc, IA64, AMD64, just to name a few.
There will be a large selection of window managers.
It will be suitable for both desktops and servers.
Potential users should understand that if you go with the defaults you'll get a stable usable and satisfying experience. However, because of the number of programs if you add things that are not in the default installation some configuration may be required .
I think this project has great potential.
Hey wait a minute.....that sounds a lot like......Debian. Oh my goodness we've come full circle.
37 • RE: 18 (by BlueJayofEvil on 2008-09-08 22:55:25 GMT from United States)
Sabayon was the first distro to offer ext4.
38 • re #36 (by I love my debian. on 2008-09-08 22:56:52 GMT from Australia)
Very funny. Yep seriously though debian has it all. For me personally there is debian first and everything else third to daylight second.
39 • Google Chrome (by vbox user on 2008-09-08 23:14:19 GMT from Australia)
OK running firefox in Xp in Virtual box in debian. Downloaded Google Chrome. d/l and install took less than 1 minute. Working perfectly. Writing this from there.
So in a round about sort of way you can use Google Chrome in linux. Also you tube etc work just fine.
Virtual Box. The next best thing to sliced bread.
40 • RE: 26 Screenshot for MDV 2009 wrong (by ladislav on 2008-09-08 23:36:24 GMT from Taiwan)
I installed the RC1 Free edition from the DVD and that's how the desktop looked after the first boot. I certainly didn't make any changes to it.
41 • @40 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-09-09 06:50:17 GMT from )
Interesting, I'll have to check that out. I know it's not supposed to look like that, though. The wallpaper for 2009 is done and doesn't look like that (I got it on my desktop a few days ago) and I think the panel's supposed to be grey. Did you keep /home from an older 2009 install or anything?
42 • No subject (by capricornus on 2008-09-09 09:26:26 GMT from Netherlands)
After testing Chrome (V8), I did the same with FF3.1 Minefield beta (TraceMonkey). Both render (scripts) at blazing speed. The first day, only NoScript was ready for 3.1. The day after, AdBlock joined the (tiny) crowd. CustomizeGoogle will complete my set of preferred extensions: all the good reasons for choosing FF.
43 • THANKS!! (by And_I_Say_Once_Again on 2008-09-09 10:56:02 GMT from Australia)
I would like to THANK everyone for the clean, unbiased and productive commentary this week as compared to last week which, when I complained, resulted in my IP address being blacklisted from commenting by the powers that be... although there are many ways around that ;-)
44 • Re: Foobuntu (by Alan UK on 2008-09-09 11:17:08 GMT from United Kingdom)
So Foobuntu is dead? Is this why the London Stock Exchange computer system crashed yesterday? I think we should be told...
45 • Ref#37 Sabayon ext4 (by Verndog on 2008-09-09 14:32:44 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the info on ext4. Have you noticed any speed difference. I can never get Sabayon to install correctly on my system.
46 • buntu,buntu,buntu (by whocares on 2008-09-09 15:43:35 GMT from Finland)
Hey all Im making many many many distros the first one will be....(you must be excited about it ;).....................Abuntu then Bbuntu,Cbuntu,Dbuntu,Ebuntu,Fubuntu,Gubuntu,Hubuntu,Iubuntu,Jubuntu,K..oops that one is allready,Lubuntu,M this one also?, Nubuntu, Obuntu and sooooooooo ooooooooooooonnnn....
Linux is linux is linux and not GNU/whatever
47 • Re: 46 (by Anonymous on 2008-09-09 16:38:41 GMT from Finland)
> Linux is linux is linux and not GNU/whatever
Linux is a POSIX-compatible kernel for a Unix-like operating system. That operating system is called the GNU system, but you can also call the OS "GNU/Linux" (or "GNU+Linux") if you want to stress that the Linux kernel was not made by the GNU project. But it's simpler to just call the OS "GNU".
48 • RE #44 (by Distronator on 2008-09-09 16:49:37 GMT from Germany)
Unfortunatly not. If they'd used Foobuntu they would have had other, probably more gravem problems.
Anyway, I've been told by someone who knows the painter, who painted the office space in the exchange last year, that the system crashed due to an unfortunate coincidence. One of the cleaning persons plugged in their new Hoover 4000 vacuum cleaner/mobile phone hybrid (running on ApplianceBuntu with Arnold/Cyborg/Cogring stack, btw) while the nightshift guard made a coffee on the staff coffeemaker/photocopier (running some Java appliance on QNX). While the tools tried to figure out how to communicate via Bluetooth (as it turns out they can't) they disrupted a nearby MS Windows XP box (running MSbuntu) which, of course, was listening on all ports. Disturbed the IDS of the box alerted the firefighters by IM who sent over a car to investigate. The nightshift guard was still distracted by its malfunctioning coffeemaker/photocopier when the firefighters arrived and kicked in the back door and, trying to switch on the lights, switched off the air conditioning (running on Bonsai, a long forgotten Slackware clone). The server room AC (running on some wanna-be proprietary Ubuntu clone) had to pick up the slack and turned quickly from Coolbuntu to Warmbuntu and finally reached its natural state, HotAirBuntu64, and shut down. From then on it only took a few hours for the servers to heat up and initiate emergency shutdowns (running on Sun hardware they knew how to do that without the help of an OS) and alert one of the sysadmins. The rapid response team arrived within a day and, after switching on the AC on their search for the light switch, restarted the servers. That's what happened, seriously, painters don't lie.
49 • @47: Please don't start the GNU/Linux debate again (by Martin Ultima on 2008-09-09 17:24:07 GMT from Hong Kong)
I think "GNU" on its own is more commonly associated with the Hurd kernel.
I prefer just "Linux" for three reasons:
1) It's much simpler than GNU/Linux, particularly if you pronounce it "Guh-new" (and not to mention verbally indicating the slash).
2) It's more mainstream; a lot of people know what "Linux" is, but have never heard of the GNU Project.
3) The kernel is really the only consistent feature of Linux distributions. Think about it: The GNU-developed utilities can be replaced with i.e. BusyBox, and alternatives to the C library and compiler even -- while maybe not as powerful, or targeting the same niche -- are available.
Linguistically, I consider "Linux" the same as "band-aid," or "Q-tip," or "Xerox": Even though it's a proper noun referring to a specific product (the Linux kernel), it's also popularly used as a generic term to refer to Linux kernel-based distributions. You can call it what you will -- I really don't care -- but please let's avoid silly debates and get back to more important things, like planning in advance for the impending demise of Uubuuntuu (I've heard from the developer it will be outdated by next week's DWW).
50 • mandriva desktop (by fortware on 2008-09-09 19:27:10 GMT from United Kingdom)
I just downloaded and tried the mandriva rc1 kde4 and the desktop is different than that of the picture. It has grey taskbar as Adam noted.
51 • (" a good DWW, *as ever* ") (by WTH on 2008-09-09 20:00:40 GMT from Canada)
You mean like posts such as > 2- 36 - 44 - 46 - 48
Ladislav
Are those gibberish examples of -
how you want DWW to be known ???
52 • @#51 & #48 (by Eyes-Only on 2008-09-09 21:14:21 GMT from United States)
@ #51: Gee whiz... I dunno, but I find that a little jocularity and levity NEVER hurt anybody. And being in my "particular situation" even a good laugh now and then has gone far in making an otherwise very painful day in this chair of mine a little bit easier to handle. ;) Do we always have to take each week so seriously? In 100 years will anyone look back and even care?
Just a little food for thought. :)
@ #48: roflmao Distronator! You REALLY kill me with that sense of humour of yours mate! Do you write for a living? Perform in some nightclub? I'd love to know! Your humour is worth wheeling this chair of mine to a performance some night! Thanks for the laugh and for making my day a little brighter! (It was a rather dreary day at the doctor's...)
Amicalement/Cheers!
Eyes-Only/L'Peau-Rouge
53 • re: Fubuntu joke (by isle-seat on 2008-09-09 23:28:47 GMT from Germany)
stop this lame fubuntu joke. its not funny .. enough already ..
54 • kde and Mono (by jack on 2008-09-10 01:24:08 GMT from Canada)
there are 5 or 6 pages on this at the mandriva forum:
http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=93002&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=50
for example:
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:20 am Post subject:
I recently returned back to Mandriva KDE from Opensuse KDE...and if Mono's gonna be a dependency alongwith Beagle and Kerry, I wouldn't touch 2009 with a barge pole.
Its enough that KDE3 is relegated to a second class citizen...but lumping Mono-Beagle-Kerry is a tad too much.
-Anshul
Edit:
Adam,
There is a big thread currently on in Opensuse about the future of KDE3 and the way forward for 11.1. I agree that they have a lot more resources compared to Mandriva to undertake this task. But what I like is the fact that they're willing to listen to the community about this conundrum. I do hope that Mandriva tries to address this issue for KDE users.
-Anshul
Has anyone any information about the use of Mono with Kubuntu 8.04.1 or Kubuntu Ibex?
thanks
55 • The new Pardus. And Chrome. (by Chris on 2008-09-10 03:25:21 GMT from United States)
No Pardus comments.
I always start a new thread in the DistroWatch comments.
Oh, lonely me.
I wish that I could say
that the new Pardus install program is not so fussy,
but I can't.
An exception was thrown -install failed-
when I clicked 'Begin Install'
from the install summary screen.
Something about my swap partition.
I tried several variations of the swap partition,
but no luck.
I would guess that the reason for the fussiness
is that Pardus is the product of a technical school.
Maybe it's this computer, a Dell Inspiron.
I did get a successful install on a Dell Dimension.
I upgraded my existing Pardus 2008 to 2008.1 rc
by changing the Pardus repository from '2008' to '2008.1'
in the graphical package manager.
I prefer to use the command line for Pardus upgrades.
It's just
# pisi upgrade
I'll get my two cents in on the Google Chrome:
I use it because I like it's looks.
Sparse.
I boot to Windows just so that I can use Chrome.
There was a harmless Chrome exception
after the completion of my Pardus download.
And there was one spectacular crash.
It took me half an hour to get the computer
running again.
Chris.
56 • Re: 52 (by I_Agree on 2008-09-10 03:56:18 GMT from Australia)
I agree Eyes-Only... I've laughed a few times at Distronator's fake distro comments too!! All in fun, and not malicious in any way... We all need to lighten up a little and laugh :-) A laugh a day helps keep the doctor away!!
57 • Mon deux Mes amis (by Anonymous on 2008-09-10 04:53:08 GMT from Canada)
En bloc le enfants, a propos de est agent provocateur :
Faux soi-disant, (voi-au-vent_ ala) pas de deux sans au fait raison d'etre folie a deux
58 • Ubuntu-A B C D E (by monty on 2008-09-10 07:17:19 GMT from Australia)
I am a K/Ubuntu user , but I have to agree all the offshoots of Ubuntu is annoying.
Sure anyone can remaster a cd and call it there own...but all they are doing is making a mockery of the real project at hand , why not work with the devs and help the real projects.
59 • Chrome (by Distant on 2008-09-10 09:23:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
Anyone else noticed that this Google chrome whatyoumaycallit has been out for all of 4.5 seconds, and already there’s people writing in about how they use it as default/boot to windows to use it/have it on all 47 of their machines like they’ve been using it since 1992? How odd.
Personally, their increasing stranglehold on things is ringing a fair few alarm bells for me.
Still, looking forward to Goobuntu.
60 • Re #59 (by Hmm! on 2008-09-10 13:37:54 GMT from Australia)
#59 What alarm bells are ringing re Google Chrome? Please explain.
Yes it has only been out 4.5 seconds to use your time analagy, so what. It is something new. People want to try it. Yes it is only running successfully on Windows at the moment. So what. As noted above in #38 it can be run in a Windows VM from a linux host. So what. Have you tried it? If not why comment about it negativily. If you have tried it what is your feedback?
People sometimes get excited about new things and want to try them. So what. Your post as written is inane so please address these questions so as to give some insight into what you are trying to say.
61 • No subject (by Distant on 2008-09-10 14:23:53 GMT from United Kingdom)
To the Australian reader @ 60:
Re-read my post, and try to get the point before jumping up and down at me, so-whatting (inane – pot calling the kettle black there mate), and saying I’ve raised issues I haven’t (like it only running on Windows). I’m asking why people are writing about Chrome like they’ve been lifetime users, not suggesting it’s strange that people are testing it.
I raised it because I think it is odd – when people usually talk about testing a product, they say “I’m testing the new Debian” or “I’ve been playing with this Amarok release”. But with Chrome, people aren’t saying those ‘trying it out’ type words, they’re saying they use it as default and talking about it not like it’s a trial, but like it’s a permanent thing. What does that mean? I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, I’m not saying I know the answer, I’m saying it is a way of talking about something we usually don’t see. I’d like to know if anyone has a theory on that.
My apologies for trying to express myself in a funny way. You don’t have to jump down my throat for it, merely asking for clarification or ignoring it are quite acceptable responses, and, indeed, often credited with demonstrating one’s maturity.
You did ask about my alarm bells, so I’ll elaborate. Google are increasingly getting a stranglehold on t’internet and moving on from there. It worries me because I don’t think monoliths are ever good things. There was a point where Microsoft were the exciting young player too.
62 • RE to whom it may concern (by Distronator on 2008-09-10 15:56:35 GMT from Germany)
Hey buddies, thanks for the support.
NO-section: No, I'm not a professional comedian. No, I don't write for aliving (I write, though, mainly mad, foaming letters to my energy provider). No, I don't know where the next kindergarden is and never was a member of the ALA, but I occasionally endorse reading books (sorry, my French is really bad).
YES-section: Yes, I found Fubuntu totally stupid, too. So I started Foobuntu last week -- two "o"s more... much better. I quickly hit a major road block ("o"s and "u"s just don't mesh) and had to re-engineer the distribution. While being at it, I switched to the Ultrix WM and renamed by distribution UUbuuntuu to honor this marvelous feat of engineering. Unfortunatly that got me into trouble with my significant other -- she spent the better half of today grabbing her not very impressive breasts, screaming "chauvi chauvi" (the German cutesy variant of chauvinist). Maybe you get the chauvinist insult. I don't.
Anyway, Martin Ultima already spilled the beans, so YES, UUbuuntuu is probably dead or will become my vanity project. Instead I will focus on a new joint operation with Martin, an Ubuntu clone with Slackware package management. We are still looking for a new name after Martin rudely rejected my suggestion of "Slubware" and I, much less rudely, of course, rejected his suggestion "Superfriends X". Speaking of which, Martin, was the name perhaps for our boy group project? If so, that changes everything. I still can't sing, though.
63 • Re: 22 • By the way... (by Ariszló on 2008-09-10 17:44:44 GMT from Hungary)
"By the way, is that '23oz.' in the SuSE shot? That was one of my favorite themes back when I used DR16."
Yes, it is. 23oz is one of the several E17 themes maintained by sda: http://sda.scwlab.com/
64 • @62 (by Martin Ultima on 2008-09-10 18:36:09 GMT from Germany)
> We are still looking for a new name after Martin rudely rejected my suggestion of "Slubware" and I, much less rudely, of course, rejected his suggestion "Superfriends X". Speaking of which, Martin, was the name perhaps for our boy group project? If so, that changes everything. I still can't sing, though.
You weren't supposed to mention that until AFTER the promotional T's were in!
Argh, now how are we supposed to get rich off the merchandising??
Anyway, since you can't sing, and I can't play guitar, let's hope we get that sound-editing stuff working before this project goes under from mismarketing.
65 • @54 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-09-10 19:10:52 GMT from Canada)
Good grief, can you please stop spreading this crap? I'm having a hard enough time following it in three forum threads and two bug reports, I really don't need it here too.
For the tenth time in the last two days, nothing vital in KDE depends on Mono. task-kde3 depends on Kerry. Kerry depends on Mono. If you don't want Mono, do 'urpme mono'. It will take with it everything which depends on Mono. The task-kde3 package will be removed as well, but that's fine, because it's a metapackage. It doesn't contain anything important. KDE will continue to work perfectly well.
KDE DOES NOT DEPEND ON MONO. Thank you. That is all.
66 • #65 (by jack on 2008-09-10 19:30:36 GMT from Canada)
Please post your exact wording on the Mandriva forum
I read all 6 pages there and was left confused
You might add some words WRT KDE 4.0 and/or 4.1
67 • @ 62 ALA ??? (by Anonymous on 2008-09-10 23:54:43 GMT from Canada)
A la "Germain" Franco-Anglais
(never was a member of the ALA, but I occasionally endorse reading books )
But do you read a la
~ More the pity you are not a American Library Assoc. member
C'etai a lui d'y vellier (rouge visu) to translate
OTOH, It could've been termed outre-monde > in-step dancing to your very own lala
68 • Religious and politically themed distros (by Duhnonymous on 2008-09-11 01:10:26 GMT from United States)
Could we do without the controversial distros? I think it would suffice to just do away with religious and politically themed distros. It's great that we have the religious and politcal apps, but I don't really see why you need a whole distro. I mean, it's the same kernel, the same set of tools at the CLI level. The same set of drivers. The same desktop environments.
Just tossing that out there. Thanks.
69 • RE: 68 Religious and politically themed distros (by ladislav on 2008-09-11 01:16:18 GMT from Taiwan)
What's wrong with having them? Nowadays even churches and mosques use computers, so instead of running some old, crappy version of Windows on them, why not install a Linux distro that comes with a handful of religious apps and other little conveniences? I see nothing wrong with that.
70 • RE: 68, 69 (by Some pesky distro maintainer on 2008-09-11 01:59:04 GMT from Germany)
The convenience factor does make sense, but I agree with the point about the need for an entire distribution. There's a large amount of duplicated code (and efforts) involved in creating yet another distribution, and you do have the whole balance of supply versus demand. And yes, I know I'm one to talk...
I think of software the same way I think of government, in the sense that it's something that should fulfill its intended purpose for everyone, regardless of their personal beliefs. Obviously, government doesn't always work that way -- my government in the U.S. certainly isn't a non-partisan, secular institution to protect its people's rights and liberties -- and neither does software (at this point the analogy kind of falls apart), but that's how it should be in an ideal world.
With that in mind, I guess I should get my bias out of the way: I'm an atheist, I hate just about all American political groups, and I'm the developer of another distribution, albeit one with a slightly different target audience. So take my view with an appropriately-sized grain of salt. (And anyone else's too, of course -- I'm sure Ladislav wouldn't mind people developing more distributions ;-)
71 • @66 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-09-11 05:21:17 GMT from Canada)
We have metapackages for making it easy to install KDE in Mandriva. task-kde3 for KDE 3. task-kde4-minimal and task-kde4 for KDE 4.
You *do not need these packages installed*. They're just for convenience. All they are, essentially, is lists of dependencies.
Neither task-kde4 nor task-kde4-minimal introduce any dependency on Mono. task-kde4 'depends' (due to a packaging error) on openoffice.org-core. This will be resolved in the next release of openoffice.org. However, openoffice.org-core does not depend on Mono, there's no Mono dependency there.
task-kde3 depends (indirectly, I haven't figured out the exact chain yet...) on Kerry, which requires Beagle, which requires Mono. This is unlikely to be changed. However, you can perfectly well install task-kde3 and then do 'urpme mono'. It will remove kerry, beagle, and the task-kde3 package, but KDE 3 will still work fine. Removing task-kde3 does not stop KDE 3 working.
In other matters, Evolution and openoffice.org-common (not openoffice.org-core) depend on mono essentially due to poor upstream coding - Evolution and go-oo are both coded so that if you enable their Mono support, you can't avoid having a Mono dependency in the core package, whereas it would be best if the code allowed the dependency to be restricted to the Mono subpackage (evolution-mono and openoffice.org-mono ).
I have a bug report open upstream on the Evolution case. I also have a bug report filed on the OO.o case, but we will likely drop the Mono support in our OO.o package if it is not resolved soon. Evo is more of a borderline case.
Hope all of this makes sense, I'm in a restaurant and have had about a dozen cups of sake so far...
72 • @ 35 and @ 61 (by Linux Enthusiast on 2008-09-11 10:32:43 GMT from India)
@ 35 No problem. I got the torrents for Mandriva Linux 2009 RC1 from here - http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrents&search=&category=42&active=1
@ 61 "Google are increasingly getting a stranglehold on t’internet and moving on from there. It worries me because I don’t think monoliths are ever good things."
I agree with you about the problems of monoliths. But we don't need to worry since we already have alternatives in search engines.
1. Cuil - www.cuil.com - is a search engine that organizes web pages by content and displays relatively long entries along with thumbnail pictures for many results. It claims to have a larger index than any other search engine, with about 120 billion web pages. Cuil is managed and developed largely by former employees of Google: Anna Patterson, Russell Power and Louis Monier.
2. Wikia Search - www.search.wikia.com - is a free and open-source Web search engine and a part of Wikia (originally Wikicities) operated by Wikia, Inc., a for-profit company founded in late 2004 by Jimmy Wales and Angela Beesley.
73 • @ 72 google (by john frey on 2008-09-11 14:40:52 GMT from Canada)
I'm afraid that alternatives to a monolith are not enough in themselves. That's like saying don't worry about anything MS does, there's Mac and Linux as alternatives. As we have seen MS use their dominant position to force MS products on users and strangle the supply of alternatives. They even own a large interest in Apple, so that corporation is highly subject to influence from MS.
I don't know at what point a monolithic provider becomes evil but "do no evil" has not been the slogan for Google for quite some time now. So we know that is no longer their primary intent. So far I believe Google is not evil but I don't expect that to remain true, unfortunately.
on another note, HOW DO YOU FEEL THIS MORNING ADAM? IS YOUR HEAD FEELING OK OR DID YOU HAVE TOO MUCH SAKE LAST NIGHT? YOU DON'T MIND IF I SHOUT, DO YOU? :):)
74 • @73 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-09-11 14:59:50 GMT from Canada)
*snorkle*whuzzat?
75 • Gentoo Backsliding Again (by Anonymous on 2008-09-11 15:19:33 GMT from United States)
Just noticed they canceled their 2008.1 release, oops and forgot to inform distrowatch. How convenient..
Their weekly newsletter come monthly periodical has been set on a 5 week rotation for the last six months.
So let me see now at this rate the 2009.0 will be in December 2009 so heck why bother with a 2010.x anything?
agreed
76 • #71 (by jack on 2008-09-11 16:09:02 GMT from Canada)
Thank you
Please post to the mandriva forum as there is at lest one other person there who remains confused
(quote)
Please don't think I am being argumentative, I genuinely no longer understand what is the state of play with Mono in KDE3 and 4 and with relation to RC1 and later versions!
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:07 am
77 • Mono (by Anonymous on 2008-09-12 00:47:40 GMT from United States)
Why is .net and C# being pushed on us with mono?
78 • religious flavour (by forest on 2008-09-12 13:09:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
Ref #68 and #69...slightly tongue in cheek here...if the Good Lord and the Prophet see fit to spread the word of LINUX via some belief systems who are we to say no...after all they are supposed to work in (cue theme from X Files...) "mysterious ways..."
Mind you, they probably have not yet cottoned on that their "belief system" is another person's "delivery system"...what is known in the theological trade as "prosthetylising".
79 • No subject (by Dick Cheney on 2008-09-12 14:35:42 GMT from United States)
Just went back to a Fedora 9 install that I had left idle for a long time. No reason to use it, but it hadn't yet been deleted. It was a piece of junk when I gave up on it. I said I'd never waste time on Fedora again.
Well, this time there were no dependency problems on my update (no idea what went wrong, but there was a screwup somewhere before). I was able to fully update the system without problems. It seems many of the bugs are now fixed. I may actually use it once in a while.
I tried out KDE 4.1. Not quite there yet, but much improved. In six months I think most users will probably be in a position that they can ditch KDE 3.x. Not that this makes up for their questionable naming choices, or their attempt to turn us into guinea pigs, but it's all coming together nicely.
If you haven't tried Fedora 9, now might be a good time to do so. Too bad it will only be supported for nine more months.
80 • @78 (by Say what ? on 2008-09-12 15:47:26 GMT from Canada)
> ("in the theological trade as "prosthetylising")
Talking in mixed metaphors - An artificial foot in mouth ? .
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define+prosthetic&btnG=Search
81 • "the word was the word" (by forest on 2008-09-12 17:38:43 GMT from United Kingdom)
oops
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/proselytized
yes it was was foot in mouth...LOL!
82 • Proselytizing ? (by OTO foot on 2008-09-12 18:31:59 GMT from Canada)
(# 81 ~ Tha's OK you merely pointed out, spreading the good word often leads to misplaced mores )
Such as @ # 75
What was the word you wished to "spread" ?
Please consider "convenience" for sum .... may be
avoiding the light
After the mess/deserved flack Re the earlier LiveCD Gentoo GUI installer
(Which was BTW primarily a one-person effort)
advanced coders unanimously recommended *stage3*
You ignore that once any sources based is installed - releases are redundant
Conversely, (Pre-supplied) binary-based distros bundle "new-releases"
as a convenience for their user-base
(full system upgrades are discouraged)
Hint - google "is Gentoo a meta distribution"
Periodicals are very time consuming - if concerned, volunteers are welcomed
Are you aware D. Robbins still contributes ?
http://www.funtoo.org/
83 • Mint-fluxbox variant (RC 1) (by digger on 2008-09-13 17:31:58 GMT from United States)
Pleasant experience.
Whatever became of Fluxbuntu? I think that something like this may have been what they were aiming at. BTW, I'm not knocking Fluxbuntu (I tried it for a while & rather liked it), and don't like snarky remarks or distro-bashing.
84 • Mint-fluxbox variant (by anticapitalista on 2008-09-13 19:29:37 GMT from Greece)
#83
I have been playing with Mint-fluxbox today and although it is pretty, quite fast once installed (with 256MB RAM) and has some nice tools, I was not too impressed overall.
It seems to me that it is really aimed at (ex) xfce users who are disappointed with the recent bloat of xfce (relative to its past) rather than the users that fluxbuntu aimed for. To me Mint-fluxbox is Mint, but using fluxbox rather that gnome. Nothing wrong with that of course, but not how I see a fluxbox-based distro should be.
Fluxbuntu offered so much, but delivered very little. It must have been the most hyped distro that never got released! Shame as it did have a lot of potential as a fluxbox distro using Ubuntu rather than a Ubuntu distro with fluxbox tagged on.
My own distro, antiX, I like to see, and I hope those who have tried it agree, as a fluxbox/icewm distro built using Debian Testing repos (99%) and Mepis tools and kernel.
85 • RE: 82 (by Landor on 2008-09-13 21:42:39 GMT from Canada)
The man is a troll, and he's schtickin' it really good :)
I found the post about the 5 week newsletter humourous indeed. You look at the fact that it's a "monthly" and posted "monthly" and the fact that some months have more weeks in them than others (based on starting and ending of course) and you can only conclude the man is a troll and grasping at straws...Quite sad indeed.
The other part is just as amusing...Since the 2008 release came out in July, it would be mroe than absurd for someone to expect a 2008.1 release in Sept...lmao These dudes in here make me laugh..
Instead of calling that post Gentoo Backsliding Again, it should have read...My Backwash Again....
Keep your stick on the ice... (or an ice flow as we truly enter the effects of global warming)
Landor
86 • re#antiX @84 (by anyone on 2008-09-13 23:31:29 GMT from Australia)
anticapitalista, your post #84 is in bad taste. You are slagging off Mint-fluxbox with some comments (although not 100%) then self promote your own distro as one much better. You may be a good coder or copy & paster but your ego is bigger. It seems that no matter where on the web in forums including this forum you self promote antiX.
Now that is in itself not a bad thing, but to put other similar distro's down is not.
Antix is not a bad distro as are most are distro's. But IMHO it is not a great one. Let's face it, at the end of the day you took someone else's work, put on a new face, changed a few things and added some more. Just like a lot of other distro's around have done. OK that is not a bad thing and quiet OK. Full marks for you for doing that and having a user base to support your hobby. BUT I do not see where others who have done the same as you go around on forums and put other similar distro's to theirs down. Shame on you.
87 • Ref#82 Not aware (by Verndog on 2008-09-14 04:58:30 GMT from United States)
"Are you aware D. Robbins still contributes ?"
No I was NOT aware of his current contributions. Thanks for the heads up.
I have never installed(built) a Gentoo distro, but if their docs are any indication, that must be a hell of a distro!
88 • @ # 87 (by A word of caution on 2008-09-14 06:14:04 GMT from Canada)
It is ( IMO sources-based variants are the most flexible)
BUT - (always a but) they are ill-suited for casual desktop users
Not so much that they are too complex - more an admittance_ binary-based eases
the " too much at once" factor - which often overwhelms unprepared newer users
Tip - Sabayon may aleviate initial time/"strangeness" factor
Actually runnning any distro in live mode (most now allow this)
~ is highly recommend unil *you* are satisfied it "fits"
If willing to spend the effort Req'd -= It is wise to first read all you can stomache (ease into it first)
Please do not rush to commit to an install
Good part - Gentoo indisputably has the best documentation of any -
Their forum has *many* advanced coders (quirky power users )
that are always happy to assist
Cautioary note - *IF* the user states they are *dead-ended *, explains clearly what has been tried (first)
Prior to requesting assistance
Lastly, sources-based (Sabayon Can be an excepetion/Esp if entropy is used) are bare-bones installs - w/few GUI wizardy aids
~ In that respect, they are for users desiring utmost personal control
to whatever exetnt wishes
That control comes at a personal cost > In end, only Ea user may decide
Which bring an end to this (soory, bet you thought I'd never stop)
Best of success
89 • Re #86 Bad taste (by anticapitalista on 2008-09-14 10:23:41 GMT from Greece)
I don't think my post was in bad taste in any way, shape or form.
I did not bash Mint-fluxbox at all, nor fluxbuntu.
My point was that the philosophy behind fluxbuntu and Mint-fluxbox were not the same. ie the former had fluxbox at the centre the latter seems to have it as an alternative to the major desktop environments for Mint fans.
If you think that is putting down a distro, then you have a very broad definition of putting down. ie criticism=bashing
90 • 89 (by Dick Cheney on 2008-09-15 00:04:27 GMT from United States)
I saw nothing in your post that was bashing. You promoted your distro but big deal.
I agree that Fluxbuntu was a good idea, and what was released was decent, yet clearly not finished. AntiX IMHO pretty much eliminates the market for Fluxbuntu. Just wish that it would run on pre-i686 machines. Pure Debian is good on those machines, but you have to do a minimal install and then configure Fluxbox/XFCE/whatever, which takes quite a chunk of time, and may not be easy for Windows converts. I view AntiX and other lightweight distros as a key to the conversion of the masses to Linux.
91 • Foresight Mobile 1.0 not very mobile under VMware - Mini Review (by LinuxFool on 2008-09-15 02:08:47 GMT from United States)
I had hopes this might be a good distro to try on my Fujitsu Stylistic C500 (8-inch tablet, Celeron 500 mobile, 256 MB, 8GB Ultra 3 CF-on-IDE adapter or 20 GB HDD - "precursor Netbook"), but it crawls/bombs/obliviates on VMware Workstation 5.5.5 on Ubuntu 7.10 desktop with AMD 1333 Mhz, 1.5GB, 160 GB 7200 RPM HDD.
I wanted to set this up in 4GB of virtual disk to transfer to the 8GB CF card, and thus did not want swap - it did not like that, and that is not a good sign for a Netbook with SSD. I got a "kernel failure" alert message that indicated some unhappiness about swap (duh - not there).
Nautilus crashed, and the message said somthing about the bonobo server being hung - NAUTILUS? On a low-powered, small-screen Netbook?? No wonder, top showed 100+ processes, and over 200MB of my 256 v-ram in use (the cached showed almost 100MB, so maybe that comes out of the 200? Not sure how Linux manages memory and how accurately top reports it, although the "free" command showed matching numbers).
By way of contrast xubuntu 8.0.4.1 behaves with a lot more snap on my even slower notebook with 1.2 Ghz Pentium M and 1GB of ram in a VirtualBox vm with 256MB of RAM, and runs decently on the real Stylistic from the CF card. Maybe VMware workstation on the AMD and no VMware tools installed is much inferior in performance by comparison, but I rather doubt the disparity in how it "feels" is solely due the virtual platforms involved.
The desktop had a nice layout for 800x600 ... except the icon title fonts were practically unreadably small. I think Asus' EEE original Easy Menus work better for limited screen size in not trying to cram quite so many icons and small text into a single workspace.
All in all this seems very much like just a revamped desktop layered on top of the same old Gnome load of everything a Linux distro can comforatably(?) cram onto a more powerful machine.
How about starting with something like a Puppy or DSL-scale Debian base, and add (sparingly!) one of each lightweight Gnome app? Or how about XFCE apps? Are they not "lighter"?
I would like to re-visit in about 6 months, and see if 2.x has gotten any trimmer.
Good luck, Foresght team, with focusing on the essentials.
LF
92 • Titan LEV (by Ismail Arslangiray on 2008-09-15 04:09:07 GMT from United States)
This Distrowatch candidate is a serious joke. It is just an Ubuntu and they put a front end to it. Most of the applications are just simple stuff. I worked with most of the distros to test them but this one was too much!..
93 • UbuntuEEE (by Ismail Arslangiray on 2008-09-15 04:11:38 GMT from United States)
I have tried several distros on my Asus 4G. (including Foresight Mobile 1.0). So far UbuntuEEE is far superior than any other.
94 • Pardus 2008 (by capricornus on 2008-09-15 06:07:38 GMT from Netherlands)
@55 and all distro hoppers. Yesterday I tried Pardus. No live CD, but installing straightaway. Splitting the HD took a surprising long time, OK. Installing took an unpleasant long time. Then no GRUB active. So I lost the freshly installed Mint 5 XFCE. Ahhh, no!
SO Pardus went faster than it installed, and in 20 min I was up and surfing with Mint/FF3 again.
My family members had a good laugh: in their eyes I must be an extreme-nerd or had too much to drink - or both - to install some Turkish Shikrut. They know though that's not entirely true. But this experience is just too much of what we don't need in 2008.
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| • Issue 1130 (2025-07-14): openSUSE MicroOS and RefreshOS, sharing aliases between computers, Bazzite makes Bazaar its default Flatpak store, Alpine plans Wayback release, Wayland and X11 benchmarked, Red Hat offers additional developer licenses, openSUSE seeks feedback from ARM users, Ubuntu 24.10 reaches the end of its life |
| • Issue 1129 (2025-07-07): GLF OS Omnislash, the worst Linux distro, Alpine introduces Wayback, Fedora drops plans to stop i686 support, AlmaLinux builds EPEL repository for older CPUs, Ubuntu dropping existing RISC-V device support, Rhino partners with UBports, PCLinuxOS recovering from website outage |
| • Issue 1128 (2025-06-30): AxOS 25.06, AlmaLinux OS 10.0, transferring Flaptak bundles to off-line computers, Ubuntu to boost Intel graphics performance, Fedora considers dropping i686 packages, SDesk switches from SELinux to AppArmor |
| • Issue 1127 (2025-06-23): LastOSLinux 2025-05-25, most unique Linux distro, Haiku stabilises, KDE publishes Plasma 6.4, Arch splits Plasma packages, Slackware infrastructure migrating |
| • Issue 1126 (2025-06-16): SDesk 2025.05.06, renewed interest in Ubuntu Touch, a BASIC device running NetBSD, Ubuntu dropping X11 GNOME session, GNOME increases dependency on systemd, Google holding back Pixel source code, Nitrux changing its desktop, EFF turns 35 |
| • Issue 1125 (2025-06-09): RHEL 10, distributions likely to survive a decade, Murena partners with more hardware makers, GNOME tests its own distro on real hardware, Redox ports GTK and X11, Mint provides fingerprint authentication |
| • Issue 1124 (2025-06-02): Picking up a Pico, tips for protecting privacy, Rhino tests Plasma desktop, Arch installer supports snapshots, new features from UBports, Ubuntu tests monthly snapshots |
| • Issue 1123 (2025-05-26): CRUX 3.8, preventing a laptop from sleeping, FreeBSD improves laptop support, Fedora confirms GNOME X11 session being dropped, HardenedBSD introduces Rust in userland build, KDE developing a virtual machine manager |
| • Issue 1122 (2025-05-19): GoboLinux 017.01, RHEL 10.0 and Debian 12 updates, openSUSE retires YaST, running X11 apps on Wayland |
| • Issue 1121 (2025-05-12): Bluefin 41, custom file manager actions, openSUSE joins End of 10 while dropping Deepin desktop, Fedora offers tips for building atomic distros, Ubuntu considers replacing sudo with sudo-rs |
| • Issue 1120 (2025-05-05): CachyOS 250330, what it means when a distro breaks, Kali updates repository key, Trinity receives an update, UBports tests directory encryption, Gentoo faces losing key infrastructure |
| • Issue 1119 (2025-04-28): Ubuntu MATE 25.04, what is missing from Linux, CachyOS ships OCCT, Debian enters soft freeze, Fedora discusses removing X11 session from GNOME, Murena plans business services, NetBSD on a Wii |
| • Issue 1118 (2025-04-21): Fedora 42, strange characters in Vim, Nitrux introduces new package tools, Fedora extends reproducibility efforts, PINE64 updates multiple devices running Debian |
| • Issue 1117 (2025-04-14): Shebang 25.0, EndeavourOS 2025.03.19, running applications from other distros on the desktop, Debian gets APT upgrade, Mint introduces OEM options for LMDE, postmarketOS packages GNOME 48 and COSMIC, Redox testing USB support |
| • Issue 1116 (2025-04-07): The Sense HAT, Android and mobile operating systems, FreeBSD improves on laptops, openSUSE publishes many new updates, Fedora appoints new Project Leader, UBports testing VoLTE |
| • Issue 1115 (2025-03-31): GrapheneOS 2025, the rise of portable package formats, MidnightBSD and openSUSE experiment with new package management features, Plank dock reborn, key infrastructure projects lose funding, postmarketOS to focus on reliability |
| • Issue 1114 (2025-03-24): Bazzite 41, checking which processes are writing to disk, Rocky unveils new Hardened branch, GNOME 48 released, generating images for the Raspberry Pi |
| • Issue 1113 (2025-03-17): MocaccinoOS 1.8.1, how to contribute to open source, Murena extends on-line installer, Garuda tests COSMIC edition, Ubuntu to replace coreutils with Rust alternatives, Chimera Linux drops RISC-V builds |
| • Issue 1112 (2025-03-10): Solus 4.7, distros which work with Secure Boot, UBports publishes bug fix, postmarketOS considers a new name, Debian running on Android |
| • Issue 1111 (2025-03-03): Orbitiny 0.01, the effect of Ubuntu Core Desktop, Gentoo offers disk images, elementary OS invites feature ideas, FreeBSD starts PinePhone Pro port, Mint warns of upcoming Firefox issue |
| • Issue 1110 (2025-02-24): iodeOS 6.0, learning to program, Arch retiring old repositories, openSUSE makes progress on reproducible builds, Fedora is getting more serious about open hardware, Tails changes its install instructions to offer better privacy, Murena's de-Googled tablet goes on sale |
| • Issue 1109 (2025-02-17): Rhino Linux 2025.1, MX Linux 23.5 with Xfce 4.20, replacing X.Org tools with Wayland tools, GhostBSD moving its base to FreeBSD -RELEASE, Redox stabilizes its ABI, UBports testing 24.04, Asahi changing its leadership, OBS in dispute with Fedora |
| • Issue 1108 (2025-02-10): Serpent OS 0.24.6, Aurora, sharing swap between distros, Peppermint tries Void base, GTK removinglegacy technologies, Red Hat plans more AI tools for Fedora, TrueNAS merges its editions |
| • Issue 1107 (2025-02-03): siduction 2024.1.0, timing tasks, Lomiri ported to postmarketOS, Alpine joins Open Collective, a new desktop for Linux called Orbitiny |
| • Issue 1106 (2025-01-27): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta 6, Pop!_OS 24.04 Alpha 5, detecting whether a process is inside a virtual machine, drawing graphics to NetBSD terminal, Nix ported to FreeBSD, GhostBSD hosting desktop conference |
| • Issue 1105 (2025-01-20): CentOS 10 Stream, old Flatpak bundles in software centres, Haiku ports Iceweasel, Oracle shows off debugging tools, rsync vulnerability patched |
| • Issue 1104 (2025-01-13): DAT Linux 2.0, Silly things to do with a minimal computer, Budgie prepares Wayland only releases, SteamOS coming to third-party devices, Murena upgrades its base |
| • Issue 1103 (2025-01-06): elementary OS 8.0, filtering ads with Pi-hole, Debian testing its installer, Pop!_OS faces delays, Ubuntu Studio upgrades not working, Absolute discontinued |
| • Issue 1102 (2024-12-23): Best distros of 2024, changing a process name, Fedora to expand Btrfs support and releases Asahi Remix 41, openSUSE patches out security sandbox and donations from Bottles while ending support for Leap 15.5 |
| • Issue 1101 (2024-12-16): GhostBSD 24.10.1, sending attachments from the command line, openSUSE shows off GPU assignment tool, UBports publishes security update, Murena launches its first tablet, Xfce 4.20 released |
| • Issue 1100 (2024-12-09): Oreon 9.3, differences in speed, IPFire's new appliance, Fedora Asahi Remix gets new video drivers, openSUSE Leap Micro updated, Redox OS running Redox OS |
| • Issue 1099 (2024-12-02): AnduinOS 1.0.1, measuring RAM usage, SUSE continues rebranding efforts, UBports prepares for next major version, Murena offering non-NFC phone |
| • Issue 1098 (2024-11-25): Linux Lite 7.2, backing up specific folders, Murena and Fairphone partner in fair trade deal, Arch installer gets new text interface, Ubuntu security tool patched |
| • Issue 1097 (2024-11-18): Chimera Linux vs Chimera OS, choosing between AlmaLinux and Debian, Fedora elevates KDE spin to an edition, Fedora previews new installer, KDE testing its own distro, Qubes-style isolation coming to FreeBSD |
| • Issue 1096 (2024-11-11): Bazzite 40, Playtron OS Alpha 1, Tucana Linux 3.1, detecting Screen sessions, Redox imports COSMIC software centre, FreeBSD booting on the PinePhone Pro, LXQt supports Wayland window managers |
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