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| DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 264, 04 Aug 2008 |
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Welcome to this year's 31st issue of DistroWatch Weekly! Things slowed back down this week, but there has been some interesting news. The Debconf8 schedule has been posted, CNET published an interview with Red Hat CEO Jim Whitehurst, and Foxconn has posted an update to the BIOS that made so much news week before last. I test drove the latest release from Parsix GNU/Linux. In Reviewed Last Week FOSSwire examined Pardus 2008 and several sites tested Linux ultraportables. All this and more in this week's DistroWatch Weekly - happy reading!
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| Feature Story |
First Look - Parsix GNU/Linux 1.5r1
Parsix GNU/Linux is a distribution based on Debian and reminds me a lot of Ubuntu. It features a pretty GNOME interface with lots of handy applications and uses APT with Synaptic as the package manager. Parsix GNU/Linux 1.5r1 was released on July 30 and I thought I'd give it a little test run.
Parsix comes as an installable live CD. At the boot screen several choices are available such as Start or Install Parsix, Start or Install Parsix in Widescreen, or Start or Install Parsix in safe graphics mode. It hails from Persia but English is the default language and it uses a US keyboard layout. It boots up with most hardware preconfigured. My Internet was available, a start-up sound greeted me, and CPU Scaling was enabled. Partitions and removable media are auto-mounted.
The installer is from Kanotix and is rather user-friendly, to a point. The interface is a bit unconventional, but easily deciphered. It begins as a list of tasks such as Configure Installation, Start Installation, Update Installation, and Partition. Choose Partition if you need to partition your drive, otherwise choose Configure Installation. It's a short sweet configuration wizard asking only for a user name and password, root password, hostname, and where to put GRUB. It finishes in short order with no problems.
At the new boot screen there were two Parsix choices with the only distinguishing characteristic between them being the word: (Default). Parsix usually detects most if not all other operating systems and adds them to the GRUB menu. I had no trouble booting and I didn't see any output to raise alarms.
The Desktop and Software
The desktop is an attractive GNOME 2.22.3 with a nice theme consisting of a green landscape, dark window colors and panels, and a green window decoration. The wallpaper is a depiction of a landscape, but it really reminded me of army fatigues. Version 1.5r1 retained the Parsix orangy icons and logo. Not to say it wasn't a nice look, because it was. In fact, I think it's an improvement over their last release. It's much easier on the eyes.
In the menu are lots of handy applications. In Accessories you'll find Bluetooth File Sharing, a calculator, dictionary, CHM Viewer, Multisync, and xFarDic (a Persian dictionary and translator). System Tools is full of utilities for managing and monitoring hardware aspects of the system. Parsix comes with some original tools to configure your printer and network if needed, found in the Parsix subdirectory of the menu. There are lots of great GNOME games too.
Parsix's Configurations
(full image size: 173kB, screen resolution: 1280x800 pixels)
Under Graphics is Cheese, Evince, GIMP, gThumb, Inkscape, and XSane. The OpenOffice.org 2.4.1 suite is available under Office, as well as Grisbi Accounting and a fax manager. Sound & Video contains Sound Juicer, Brasero Disc Burning, GNOME CD Player, Exaile Music Player, Gnash SWF Viewer, VLC media player, and XawTV. I was able to enjoy common audio and video formats locally as well as YouTube and Google videos over the Web.
Balsa Email Client, Firestarter firewall, Gwget download manager, Liferea news reader, Pidgin instant messenger, Transmission Bittorrent client, XChat, and Iceweasel 3.0.1 are the bulk of the Internet menu. Compiz Fusion is available too for those with supported hardware. Some other extras include APTonCD and Update Manager. Under the hood is Linux 2.6.24, Xorg 7.3, and GCC 4.1.3.
Hardware Support
As stated, most hardware is supported and auto-configured at boot. As with the live CD, sound, basic graphics, touchpad, USB mouse, CPU Scaling, battery monitoring, and the wired Ethernet were up and running.
However, Hibernation and Suspend didn't work for my NVIDIA-based system out of the box. Those features would require the proprietary drivers from NVIDIA. Fortunately, Parsix makes them available through Synaptic.
My wireless chip isn't supported by the Linux kernel or most distributions. With Parsix I could use the Windows Wireless Drivers tool found in the Preferences menu. Afterwards, I could use Parsix Network Configuration to set up my WiFi Protected Access passphrase and connect.
Conclusion
Parsix is a nice solid little distro, but I'm finding it difficult to list one hard compelling reason why someone should switch to it. If you prefer the Persian language and keyboard, then Parsix is definitely for you. If you'd like a nice Debian derivative with a pretty GNOME desktop that works good, comes in one CD, and uses APT/Synaptic, then perhaps give Parsix a try.
For someone with Linux experience the installer is user-friendly, but for someone coming straight from Windows it may not be. However, the system is as easy to use as any other. It has handy features and applications, and the Parsix software repositories have lots more.
Parsix's Synaptic Package Manager
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It's just a good little distro. I think if you were looking for an alternative to Ubuntu, then Parsix is a good choice. In fact, that's the feeling I get every time I test Parsix - it's Ubuntu for folks who don't want to use Ubuntu.
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| Miscellaneous News |
Fedora 10 Codename, Interview with Red Hat's Jim Whitehurst, and Debconf8 Schedule
 Recently Fedora held a vote in order to choose a codename for the upcoming Fedora 10 release. Names such as Terror, Whiskey Run, and Saltpetre were on the ballot, but Cambridge was the favorite by a slight margin. Full details can be found in this post from Nigel Jones, election coordinator.
In other Fedora news, the Unofficial Fedora FAQ has been updated for Fedora 9. In this update content has been revised for accuracy as relating to features found in Fedora 9, as well as made a bit easier to use and understand. Some topics covered include implementing Wine and Java, how to edit menus, and how to install software. The full FAQ is located here.
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 The schedule for this year's Debian developer conference, Debconf8, was posted this past weekend. One of the opening keynotes will be given by Steve McIntyre as he discusses Debian's fifteen birthday and the next 15 years. Mark Shuttleworth is scheduled to appear on the third day to discuss the state of collaboration between Ubuntu and Debian, how it has improved since the last Debconf, and prospects for the future. Margarita Manterola and Joerg Jaspert will be big hits as they lead the fifteen birthday party scheduled for August 13. Luciano Bello will discuss Debian's OpenSSL debacle on August 15. The full schedule is available here.
In related news, a call for Debconf10 locations was put out as well. Some things to consider are public service facilities such as supermarkets, electronic equipment shops, event halls and cost, as well as network connectivity, food costs, hotel accommodations, free time activities, and local Debian team participation. The full checklist is located here. This year's Debconf will be held in Argentina and Debconf9 is planned for Extremadura, Spain.
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 Despite little background in software, free or otherwise, Jim Whitehurst has lead Red Hat to 6.6% profit increase for 1Q09 and stock is currently trading for around 21.50 USD per share. CNET's Stephen Shankland spoke with Whitehurst about Red Hat's position as a company both in the Open Source community and as a profit minded business and some of the their strategies for future growth. The article received quite a bit of buzz last week titled, Red Hat's new CEO aims Linux at the cloud along with the one summary quote, "The clouds will all run Linux." One quote that can sum up their business model was, "We see very little fee-to-free. We see quite a bit of free-to-fee, when customers get bigger, wake up, and say, "We probably need that support and certifications."" Whitehurst also spoke of their competition with Microsoft as well as Canonical and Novell. The interview ended with Whitehurst's thoughts on Open Source advocacy. You can read the full article here.
In other Red Hat news, Bill Nottingham posted a two-part article on what's next in Red Hat Enterprise Linux. The first part outlines plans for display handling, changes in security updates, and exciting developments in power management. Part two goes into network handling, encrypted devices, Pulseaudio, virtual file systems, and virtualization. If you're a Fedora user, you've seen most of these enhancements before but it's still an interesting read.
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 Mandriva sent out a call for partnerships last week. "Mandriva is looking for companies which can officially represent Mandriva's products & services mix in their countries." We've recently seen Mandriva offered on the Gdium netbooks as well as low-cost desktops from Precedent Technologies. They have had their ups and downs over the years, but always managed to stay in the game. It's nice to see them doing so well. More on the partnership program can be found here.
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 This week we have somewhat of a resolution to the brouhaha in which a vocal Ubuntu user accused Foxconn of deliberately sabotaging the BIOS of their motherboards for Linux operating systems. It was discovered to have been an unintentional bug by AMI and present in several boards from other manufactures as well. Heart Zhang from Foxconn China posted the test results of a new BIOS update to the Ubuntu Forums this past Saturday in which he states, "Almost [all] bugs are fixed by this BIOS." See that thread for more information and links to the update.
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 The biggest newsbyte last week wasn't exactly about Linux but one of those things that make Linux much more enjoyable - the graphical interface. KDE announced the newest update, version 4.1, of their sometimes controversial new desktop. The feeling permeating throughout the web about this release seemed to characterize 4.1 as the "release 4.0 should have been" and "KDE is back." Some of the more prominent reports include KDE 4.1 rocks the desktop from Linux.com, The Rocky Road of the New KDE at Earthweb.com, and EFYtimes declares it Better Than Any Mac Or Vista. Many bloggers also expressed their thoughts as well, such as this succinctly titled post, KDE 4.1 - Wow! Of course, some reports weren't as positive. As one might expect, Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, self-professed Cyber Cynic and KDE 4 critic, found KDE 4.1 still wasn't for him.
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Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4.7
Red Hat announced the official release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) 4.7: "Red Hat is pleased to announce the availability of 4.7 (kernel-2.6.9-78.EL) for the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 family of products. This release includes the following improvements: Virtualization Enhancements, Encryption and Security Enhancements, Tuning and Debugging: systemtap, Tools Enhancement, Networking and IPv6 Enablement, Storage Improvements, Platform Enhancements, Kernel Improvements, Laptop and Desktop Enhancements. The following Technology Preview features are new or enhanced in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4.7: frysk; gcc4." Read the complete release announcement and release notes for details.
Parsix GNU/Linux 1.5r1
Alan Baghumian today announced the release of Parsix GNU/Linux 1.5r1, a Debian-based desktop distribution and live CD with Persian support: "An updated version of Parsix GNU/Linux 1.5 code name `Viola` is available now. Viola r1 is synchronized with Parsix and Debian testing repositories as of July 24, 2008. This version contains several bug fixes, updated kernel drivers, updated documentation and updated X.Org. Highlights: GNOME 2.22.3, GNU Iceweasel 3.0.1, Pidgin 2.4.3 and OpenOffice.org 2.4.1. Viola officially supports Compiz-Fusion, VirtualBox-OSE and GNU Flash Player. For more information see release notes and Viola screenshots." Read the release announcement and release notes for more information.
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Development, unannounced and minor bug-fix releases
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Summary of expected upcoming releases
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| Reviewed Last Week |
It was a bit slow in the reviews department last week too, but Red Devil was at it again, this time looking at Absolute Linux 12.1.05. Avid gamers, Headshotgamer.com, took Mandriva's new 2009 Beta 1 for a test drive, and FOSSwire tested Pardus 2008.
* Absolute Linux is a Slackware derivative aimed at making installing and using Slackware a bit easier. I've tested it myself and found it to be a nice alternative to Slackware. Red Devil said, I found Absolute to be very quick on my old machine and I have so far not encountered a single freeze-up, bug or instability - which is pretty much what you would expect from a distribution based on Slackware. I have some issues with the usability of IceWM, plus some serious concerns about Absolute's root policy. Those things aside, this is a very interesting distribution with a commendable remit - to make Slackware easier for new users - and Paul Sherman has done an extremely good job.
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* Headshotgamers.com tests developmental releases quite often because they say gamers need the latest in kernel and software updates. This past week they tested the newest Mandriva, 2009 Beta 1. They concluded: As for a cutting edge distro ready for gaming, it does have a huge selection of games on tap, most of which are the latest versions though it just lacks the overall polish of Ubuntu. When the dust settles, I'd still pick Ubuntu 8.10 over Mandriva 2009 - it's a close call though.
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* FOSSwire tested the latest Pardus last week saying that it invokes one main thought - Polish. They concluded: Pardus 2008, to a green user, is your average desktop environment. Many of the gems of the system lie under the hood in utilities like TASMA and PiSi. It's an easy system to get started with, but has some odd quirks such as PolicyKit problems and the somewhat hidden root account. In the end, it's clear that a lot of effort went into making Pardus a usable desktop for anyone.
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In addition to the distribution reviews, several sites published reviews of Linux ultraportables.
* Digital Life gave a nice detailed review of Acer's Aspire One. Chin Wong said "It's difficult to write about the Aspire One from Acer without gushing. Out of the box, this mini-notebook is the perfect traveling companion for anyone who simply needs to surf the Web, send e-mail and perform typical office tasks such as typing up documents, working on spreadsheets or giving a presentation. The Aspire One comes with a good selection of free software, starting with the operating system, Linpus Lite, a version of Linux based on Fedora. Remarkably, the Aspire One boots up and is ready to use in less than 30 seconds."
* Laptop Mag said the ASUS "Eee PC 1000, like the 1000H, is a compelling mini-notebook with a good-size screen and a spacious keyboard. We appreciated its zippy performance and nearly 5 hours of battery life, and the Linux interface remains refreshingly simple."
* Australian PC World tested the Acer Aspire One ZG5 and concluded, "This Linux version of the Aspire One is easy to use and has a solid-state drive, but the Windows XP version has better memory and storage capacity for only $100 more. Furthermore, Acer will also release versions with built-in 3G modules. It's really a case of waiting for the new versions to arrive, unless the portability and ease of use of this unit catches your fancy."
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1 • #1 (by Verndog on 2008-08-04 04:49:15 GMT from United States)
Good review on Parsix. I'll have to give that a try. Looks very interesting. As always thanks for the weel;y reviews and insights.
2 • Foxconn... (by Verndog on 2008-08-04 04:57:08 GMT from United States)
I forgot one thing. I followed closely the Foxconn fiasco closely at Ubuntu and others forums. It shows how Herd Instinct can lead to your undoing. Many people blindly jumped on the bandwagon at first without questioning the source.
3 • KDE 4 Review Site Shows As "Attack Site" (by Soloact on 2008-08-04 05:36:52 GMT from United States)
The website that has the quote "Better than any Mac or Vista", which is efytimes.com, is showing up with a big red warning from Google as a "Reported Attack Site!".
4 • Parsix 1.5r1 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2008-08-04 05:57:04 GMT from Italy)
"I think if you were looking for an alternative to Ubuntu, then Parsix is a good choice. In fact, that's the feeling I get every time I test Parsix - it's Ubuntu for folks who don't want to use Ubuntu."
My thoughts exactly. Thanks for the review.
5 • parsix (by mandog on 2008-08-04 05:57:20 GMT from United Kingdom)
Nice review but Parsix is not Ubuntu, or anything like it. Its based on Debian testing/Sid next you will say Sidux, is an alternative to Ubuntu KDE. Parsix, 1,000% better than Ubuntu, its based Debian testing/Sid, not Ubuntu the review gives the wrong impression, I use both Sidux and Parsix, and to me its more like a Gnome version of Sidux, and remember both distros roots came from Kantanix
6 • RE: it's Ubuntu for folks who don't want to use Ubuntu. (by Béranger on 2008-08-04 06:37:45 GMT from Romania)
Not fair. Parsix's repos are cloned from Debian testing, which usually means (surprise!) "less bugs than Ubuntu". However, selected packages from Ubuntu are "backported" (if this term can be used).
The "major problems" with Parsix?
1. Still a manual hack to use a separate, preexisting /home partition.
2. The dark, too dark scheme (it spoils even the form buttons in Firefox).
7 • CCux Linux (by Alibaba on 2008-08-04 07:58:04 GMT from Germany)
A new version has been released today, i want to support the guys. Could you announce this?
Thank you... Ali!
8 • CCux Linux 2 (by йоллъь on 2008-08-04 08:35:07 GMT from Spain)
Still wondering if it's worthy to download. But a distro without a new version for 2 years?
9 • RE: CCux Linux (by Anonymous on 2008-08-04 09:21:37 GMT from Romania)
What? A distro without fortune cookies? (or bsd-games)
I've checked with http://packages.ccux-linux.de/, http://repository.ccux-linux.de/pub/stable/RPMS/ and http://repository.ccux-linux.de/pub/testing/RPMS/ .
10 • #5 (by Xil on 2008-08-04 10:12:29 GMT from United States)
I don't think Susan mentioned in her review that Parsix is an Ubuntu derivate. Only that it reminds her of Ubuntu.
11 • Parsix (by gurito on 2008-08-04 11:53:07 GMT from Germany)
Yes, well.. The first time I used it, it also reminded me of ubuntu. Maybe because of the colors in the flower. Anyway, I installed it and all the Ubuntu-ish feeling went away. In some ways I like Parsix more than Ubuntu.. I've got the feeling that it's faster, for instance. I'd recommend it to people who like debian derivatives. Though I, personally, like none of them.
12 • its all about marketing (by arno911 on 2008-08-04 12:34:13 GMT from Germany)
you can compare almost every distro out there to Ubuntu, and Ubuntu will have more bugs. Its sad, this project has so much money to spend on PR, ads and paid reviews, but the small underdogs with their few developers give you the better linux experience. funny, isnt it? I wonder what would happen if Absolute,Parsix, sidux, to name a few, could spend that much money on PR.
I'm afraid Ubuntu might get too much influence on Debian. Cause it surely wont make things better. Shuttleworth on Debconf? OMG!!
b.r.
arno911
13 • Parsix (by Gene Venable on 2008-08-04 12:47:53 GMT from United States)
Parsix is better than your review. It has a very clean and attractive look, and it works well. I am a newbie at using my new Centro phone, and the first issue was how to do Syncing in Linux. To my surprise, Parsix seemed to be ready for me and setting up was surprisingly easy. Not so for my other main distro, Sidux, where I am still trying to find my way.
14 • RE: 3 • KDE 4 Review Site Shows As "Attack Site" (by Soloact on 2008-08-04 05:36 (by Pig_Pen on 2008-08-04 12:50:12 GMT from United States)
Soloact, i think your tinfoil hat is on too tight...
15 • lite distro (by ymmv on 2008-08-04 13:23:55 GMT from United States)
New light sid distro with LXDE:
http://cap.gediam.de/installation-en.html
16 • Parsix and stuff (by davemc on 2008-08-04 13:29:16 GMT from United States)
Parsix is ~possibly~ 0.00000000000001% more stable than Ubuntu. Other than that, there is no other difference between the two, except Ubuntu has all the goodies that make Ubuntu what it is under the hood. Parsix is more strongly focused on Debian than Ubuntu and is arguably more compatible with it. Other than Parsix being a localized spinoff, I see no real reason to use it for anything other than its intended purpose, which is obviously to support Persian folks.
Glad to see Foxconn stepping up to the plate on this one. I think its a very, very good thing that we have the watchdogs that we do within the Linux community too. Although its easy sometimes to jump to negative conclusions about things like this, in the future it would probably be better to stick to the facts of the issue and avoid speculation.
17 • Parsix & Remastersys (by Dr.Saleem Khan on 2008-08-04 13:29:45 GMT from Pakistan)
I have test installed Parsix few versions on different occasions. It was always a good experience running it on my system. Except onething...GNOME and so I never used it more than as a test install only.
Now , I believed that Parsix is Ubuntu ( based ) with debian packages and additional work added by its developer.
I guess Susan is correct about it if she has somehow reflected that it`s a Ubuntu derivative.
So if it is Ubuntu based then Remastersys should work on it . I am really interested to know if it does or not. I would appreciate if Susan or anybody else clarifies this to me.
I might make my own remastered copy of Parsix with KDE on it if Remastersys does work on it.
Gene Venable , Parsix is made by a Christian, a Romanian living in Iran, I guess Persian Iranians are just it`s users. He had plans to make an Afghanian version of Parsix too for Afghans but I don`t know if it was ever materialized.
Regards,
18 • Re: 13 (by Derka Derka on 2008-08-04 13:30:53 GMT from United Kingdom)
> I know, Parsix is probably innocent and I am still using it. But it must be
> someone's job to wonder about these things. And I wonder how Iran allows such
> a cool program like Parsix to develop, in friendly collaboration with the entire
> world of Linux.
ROTFLMFAO!
19 • Parsix (by ZBREAKER on 2008-08-04 13:47:44 GMT from United States)
Another great issue...one of the only things good about Monday!
Yes, Parsix is quite impressive and smooth....now if they'd only make it easy to install a separate /home when installing it would be a keeper for me.
20 • RE: 17 • Parsix & Remastersys (by Dr.Saleem Khan (by Béranger on 2008-08-04 14:05:18 GMT from Romania)
> Now , I believed that Parsix is Ubuntu ( based ) with debian packages and additional work added by its developer.
I guess Susan is correct about it if she has somehow reflected that it`s a Ubuntu derivative.
No, no, no! Saleem, you're wrong!
Parsix is Debian Lenny (based) with extra Ubuntu packages "and additional work added by its developer."
> Gene Venable , Parsix is made by a Christian, a Romanian living in Iran
STOP DRINKING, it's illegal to you! Parsix is made by Alan Baghumian, who is a native speaker of Parsi, so he can't be no Romanian!
http://technotux.org/dload/alanbach-resume.asc
http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=alan%40technotux.org
21 • Parsix & Remastersys (by Dr.Saleem Khan on 2008-08-04 14:24:22 GMT from Pakistan)
Hello Béranger,
Thanks for updating my information, it`s so kind of you.
Infact I have great interest in Remastersys or remasterme to work on Debian but unfortunately it`s still not working for Debian.
If it ever worked I would really try it.
Now about the "STOP DRINKING, it's illegal to you! " it is indeed illegal :)
I had an IRC talk both with Alan Baghumian and his younger brother once ( I am an IRC help rooms regular visitor ) and they both told me what I said above. Thanks anyways, I don`t object to what you said :)
22 • RE: Remastersys (by Duhnonymous on 2008-08-04 14:32:03 GMT from United States)
Given that they use Ubiquity, I guess it would take some work to modify Remastersys for Debian.
23 • Parsix Developer is not Romanian (by Anonymous on 2008-08-04 14:54:08 GMT from Austria)
That guy is Armenian-Iranian not Romanian!
24 • Parsix Developer (by drizake on 2008-08-04 16:42:44 GMT from United States)
You guys are all wrong. He's from the North Pole. He got angry and left when Santa wouldn't ship PCs with Linux preinstalled. He moved to Iran, because St. Nick is banned there.
25 • Parsix (by William on 2008-08-04 17:14:30 GMT from United States)
In my opinion, FOSS is theologically and politically neutral. That is the core of open source.
26 • RE: Parsix Developer (by Béranger on 2008-08-04 17:18:53 GMT from Romania)
Well, «Baghumian» has definitely the resonance of an Armenian name, I agree with that! («-ian»)
27 • RE: Parsix Developer (by Dr.Saleem Khan on 2008-08-04 17:35:27 GMT from Pakistan)
Sorry,indeed my mistake, its Armenian not Romanian. It was an unintentional mistake on my behalf. Hope the confusion ends here and we carry on with today`s DW topics discussion, it is unexpectedly quiet this time.
28 • persia? (by anonymouse on 2008-08-04 17:52:07 GMT from United Kingdom)
"It hails from Persia"
Dude, you need to get a new atlas!
Blimey.
29 • Re: Parsix (by Alan on 2008-08-04 17:53:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
With the current political situation, I'm not suprised Parsix is described as Persian. BUT, open source is OPEN. Take it apart, have a good look. Report back here with any suspicions. Then try the same with windows...
30 • Parsix, Iran, and Persia (by Moira on 2008-08-04 17:59:53 GMT from United States)
Comment deleted (off-topic).
31 • Re:12 for arno911 and all those who are searching THE BEST DISTRO (by jeff_Brasov on 2008-08-04 18:07:25 GMT from Romania)
I agree that Absolute have no bugs (almost). I think is the best.
This distro is perfect for those who want to learn English language. It comes whith 2 default dictionaries: WordNet and gcide (the interface of the last is called StarDict). I don't find another distro on one CD that come with those two dictionary.
The speed is amazing.
If you need OALD (Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary) or LDOCE (Longman Dictionary Of Contemporary English) you can install easily and it will work better than in Vector.
RecordMyDesktop is one of the latest add by developers. With this program you can make cool presentation on your desktop and than the video .ogv encode in .avi . Is it super or what ?
Kudos to developers !
P.S. My second choice in DreamLinux. OALD and LDOCE are working perfecly.
32 • KDE 4.1 on Ubuntu 8.4.1 LTS, comments on OpenSuse 11 (by AhJay on 2008-08-04 18:14:50 GMT from United States)
Hello:
I have been a long time (~10 years) Fedora/SUSE user.
I recently rather installed Ubuntu 8.04.1 LTS amd64 on my HP DV2610US Notebook.
Quite impressed: Everything (NVIDIA drivers, Wireless, Skype, Sound, USB-Flash drive... more) with somewhat little efforts.
For easy of installation, Ubuntu may be Number one Linux Distro, today!
OpenSuse was the best, but they may have (temporarly?) lost their lead here, probably by trying to do too many things, and lack of focus, worsened by artificial release dates: OpenSuse (like Mandriva) is so dependent of KDE, that release dates should always be following a solid KDE major release date! Not preceed it.
I also noticed recently (OpenSuse 11/KDE4) quality problems that I have never seen before: basic stuff just stop working after online update, to the point I may have to reinstall it!
Usually, SUSE was "top quality", but since 10, things started to deteriorate, requiring more manual hacking to fix things which worked before.
This being said, Ubuntu is still not at the level of OpenSuse (actually far from it) for system tools where OpenSuse shines: YAST2, SMART can actually resolve dependencies that Ubuntu just cannot... yet.
But being very focused on basic functionality and quality, Ubuntu progress faster! Hope they can keep this!
Ahjay.
33 • RE: 25 (by LeVito on 2008-08-04 18:28:02 GMT from Germany)
Thanks William, you hit the bull's-eye!
I like Parsix a lot. It's a great Distro made by a very helpful and talented developer. Speedier than Ubuntu, nearly as polished, more up-to-date than Debian stable and more user-friendly than Debian Testing/Unstable.
But if you use it, you should stick to the Parsix repositories. If you enable the Debian Testing repositories, you will loose its customizations. So it's not really suited for rolling-release use. But: you can if you want (unlike with Ubuntu).
34 • #25 (by Anon E Moose on 2008-08-04 18:29:30 GMT from Canada)
I think you need to get the perscription for those rose-coloured glasses of yours checked.
I don't see the same altruistic and selfless motivations pervading all members of the FOSS community.
35 • absolute linux (by pinakidion on 2008-08-04 18:43:09 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the mention.
We are hoping for a proper repository later this year or early next year. This will allow for a less crazy release schedule.
Currently testing LXDE and Midori web browser for next major release.
36 • RE 5 and to all those who have written similar things... (by Blue Knight on 2008-08-04 19:29:19 GMT from France)
> "Parsix, 1,000% better than Ubuntu, its based Debian testing/Sid"
Sid??? No Parsix is based on Debian TESTING, not Sid! Sidux and Ubuntu are based on Sid, not Parsix...
About the little review, Parsix is not just for "the Persian language and keyboard", Parsix is completely international!
And it's really/absolutely NOT "an alternative to Ubuntu", even if there are some "contributions" from Ubuntu, Parsix is a different distro and not for "folks who don't want to use Ubuntu." (and especially not "Ubuntu based", hey DrSalem Khan ;-), BTW fortunately!)
Parsix is rather for users more 'advanced'...
It also requires a little more "work", not everything is "out of box" as in Mint for example...
> "Parsix is ~possibly~ 0.00000000000001% more stable than Ubuntu."
No. davmc, Parsix is 1 000 % "more stable than Ubuntu"! ;-)
And about your post, a reason why a user might want to use Parsix is, for example, to have "an easier, more friendly Debian"... if you see what I mean. :D
37 • No subject (by BlueJayofEvil on 2008-08-04 22:45:52 GMT from United States)
The "Upcoming Releases" says 8-XX for Fedora 10 Alpha 1, yet I just checked their release schedule and it says August 5th.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Schedule
38 • UBUNTU 8.04.1 LTS: Unfriendly to GRUB based multiple boot users. (by AhJay on 2008-08-04 22:52:32 GMT from United States)
Hello:
I have installed UBUNTU 8.04.1 LTS when it was released (about a month ago).
Unlike other Linux distros, it is still "multi-boot hostile": I does not accept to keep an existing / boot partition, as is, and add one (or more) stanzas on the /boot/grub/menu.lst file!
Instead it requires deleting everything in the /boot directory for the install!
So if you want to keep your existing multi-boot system, you have to manually take care of 1) saving /boot files 2) Manually copying files, 3) re-editing menu.lst
Also it would be better if the Vmlinuz and inid file had the string "ubuntu_versnum" in their name: otherwwise, on multiple boot systems, this can get a bit confusing.
This kind of upgrade, would certainly encourage people with an already working Linux distro to try Ubuntu, which is quite good.
I would also suggest that the UBUNTU install could be "better" for generating the /etc/fstab file with respect of permission for "other" partitions.
fstab access/permissions is still today poorly documented, with more trial+errors than necessary.
BTW: Will anyone volunteer to write a "fstab manager"?
Could initially be a small GTK+ and/or Qt based, and start with a "small agenda": extend the functionality of GPARTED/QT PARTED to fstab management. It could be a separate program, or an extension of Gparted/Q(t)Parted.
AhJay
39 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-08-05 00:36:13 GMT from Canada)
Parsix is from persia - you have to remember that different countries use different maps - for example in that region , israel does not appear on maps etc.
And as for the comment about how could a project like this exist in Iran?
The real problem is that it cant exist in America due to the non free codecs etc .
A real shame that the us cant enjoy software like this - or in fact many distros
lets liberate america!
40 • re 32 (by Observer on 2008-08-05 03:46:40 GMT from Australia)
OpenSuse (like Mandriva) is so dependent of KDE, that release dates should always be following a solid KDE major release date! Not preceed it.
Maybe KDE is very dependent on openSUSE for its development?
OpenSUSE is almost totally dependent on Novell for its development and thus will follow whatever cycle Novell has in store. Ubuntu will be nowhere without Canonical, as Fedora without Red Hat, IMHO!
41 • ccux linux (by chris on 2008-08-05 05:34:38 GMT from United States)
I've just downloaded and installed ccux linux.
The graphics are sloppy in the installer.
I couldn't log on as my username or root.
I'll just install another linux on that partition.
If you want to use a "one man's hobby" distro,
try BLAG, a Fedora remaster.
Use yum instead of synaptic for updates.
chris
42 • @40 OpenSuSE and Novell (by BhaKi on 2008-08-05 05:56:50 GMT from India)
You are absolutely wrong about the relationship between OpenSuSE and Novell. The development of OpenSuSE is much more open than that of Fedora or Ubuntu. RedHat utilizes Fedora as a playground for testing bleeding edge alpha-quality technologies. The software (and their versions) shipped with OpenSuSE, OTOH, are completely community-driven. Please learn about OpenSuSE Build Service, OpenSuSE Bugzilla and OpenSuSE IRC channels and show me the Fedora-equivalents of these.
43 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-08-05 06:03:03 GMT from Canada)
paraphrasing #39 - you have to remember that different countries use different maps - for example in the west , Palestine does not appear on maps etc."
Iran hasn't attacked anyone in the 1/2 century that I have lived so I'm not too worried about them. I'd be more concerned about a proprietary OS with direct ties to the White House. Who's coming in through your undocumented back door tonight?
At least we can enjoy free software even if we can't have a free world.
44 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-08-05 11:39:30 GMT from Iran, Islamic Republic of)
Some people just like to ruin everything with their rotten prejudices. Enjoy the distro.
45 • RE: 39 (by drizake on 2008-08-05 12:40:35 GMT from United States)
You're right about the stupid laws regarding the codecs. I use Linux Mint and could get in trouble because it plays back DVDs out of the box. It's stupid that people can sell software to play DVDs here, but cannot give it away. We have greedy corporations doing everything they can to squeeze pennies out of the consumers, but we never change our laws. We only sue the companies in federal court (look at MS and the tobacco industry). We don't change the laws because our pols are getting their pockets lined and the unethical business practices lead to more tax money.
46 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-08-05 15:18:24 GMT from Canada)
RE: 38 • UBUNTU 8.04.1 LTS: Unfriendly to GRUB based multiple boot users.
The last page in the Installer has an Advanced button where you can change where the boot loader goes. Change it to Ubuntu partion and then edit your existing grub
47 • BSD Rules! (by Mitney Shears on 2008-08-05 15:32:00 GMT from United States)
It just seems like BSD doesn't have all of these issues. Consider BSD it's easier, much user friendlier and doesn't have most of the IP challenges that MS will come after you for. It's much more secure and rock solid stable.
48 • 47 (by Dick Cheney on 2008-08-05 16:17:09 GMT from United States)
I've never seen a BSD that would qualify as easy relative to Mandriva, Mint, or Ubuntu.
Linux has no IP challenges. They do have a large competitor claiming there are IP problems. BSD types that spread that FUD should dig a hole and cover themselves up.
Much more secure? A quote about monkeys comes to mind. I don't know and really don't care about the server, but on the desktop, most Linux distros are sufficiently secure. I've not had a virus, I've not had a keystroke logger, and nobody's ever broken into my system.
Rock solid stable? Maybe, but Slackware is pretty stable as well. How about Debian stable? How about CentOS? Big instability problems with them?
49 • @ 41 (by Alan UK on 2008-08-05 16:22:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
BLAG-a one man's hobby distro...
Great isn't it? Worth it alone for the bookmarked websites.
Makes a nice change from the usual half dozen mozilla links.
50 • @48 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-08-05 16:47:40 GMT from Canada)
"and nobody's ever broken into my system."
My standard response to this is always - "how do you know?"
This is an important point to consider when thinking about security matters. :)
51 • @47 Dick Cheney (by Barack Hussein Obama on 2008-08-05 21:19:55 GMT from United States)
Have you tried PC-BSD?
or
Desktop-BSD?
They are very impressive and point and click installation. They are based of FreeSBIE(FreeBSD LiveCD) and install a true BSD system unto your hard drive.
Heck, I have even installed FreeBSD on some computers. It is hard, yes, it does not have a fancy gui installer, but it sure works fine once you use it.
As far as worried about Linux with the lawsuits, Time will tell. But anyway why should we be worried?
What are they going to do to us?
If they find something wrong that is.
52 • @42 fedora equivalents (by stefan on 2008-08-05 22:36:02 GMT from Netherlands)
well:
revisor http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/
bugzilla https://bugzilla.redhat.com/
irc http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#IRC
comes to mind if you must know.
stefan
53 • Re post #50 etal (by Anonymous on 2008-08-06 00:51:43 GMT from Canada)
> *The usual suspects*
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114814/
Computer users are susceptible as above viewers to odd twists ~ spins of con-artists
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you know: ???
~ Suspect any unusual H/Dr activity
("drive active" LCD will flicker, *in-use* drive noise will be heard)
~ Top/ps -ax MAY show abnormal CPU processes
Run a capable (cron activated) automated system event logger
(/var/log & /tmp storage files *should* be periodically checked)
However, IF suspicious of possibility of compromised O/Sys:
("rooted") by an TALENTED black-hatter -
~ Very hard to do BTW - on a properly Cfg'd system -
Typically, only the user's resources are vulnerable
~ in which case, turn off ALLL outside access_
Some recovery alternatives -
Delete user, re-create "home" folders
ELSE wipe all, overwrite w/zeros - re-install CLEAN
ONGOING:
In conjunction to above, check system using such as RKhunter or Chkrootkit
~ preferrably from (removable) stand-alone media against H/Dr -
running independent static sources.
AFAIK there are *no* known "viruses" In_the_wild that are effective against 'Nix
Sadly., the M/S viruses can & often are - passed om to Windows users
Worst case scenarios are the uncaring new users who turn a "live-CD" distro
(w/default root + no multi-user modeling) into a full hard drive install
If anyone desires a hard drive install_
USE THE PROVEN *CLIENT/SERVER* standardised permissions concepts !
~ DO NOT download unproven "goodies" from personal tinkerer's repositories
ESP if user is unfamiliar to 'Nix Dir/folder attributes
If incapable of fully maintaining OWN O/Sys...
you are at mercy of tinkerer's savvy = shaky at best
Remember - unlikely as any occurance may be - YOU are responsible for own iron
(much the same liability "grey-areas" as un-secured storage of personal weapons)
Biggest worries - stolen ID, restoring credit DB records
Use of own H/Ware for on-line "jumping off" activities
WORST CASE SCEANARIO > clearing name from "terrorist watch-list" paranoias !
54 • @51 (by FreeBSD User on 2008-08-06 11:27:58 GMT from United States)
Is it hard to install FreeBSD? IMO, no or same as Linux distribution. The "problem" is configuration of the operationg system. But this "problem" is same as any other Linux distribution or Windows.
55 • @6 @19 @31 @16 (by xet7 on 2008-08-06 11:45:57 GMT from Finland)
@6 by Béranger and @19 by ZBREAKER:
Here is link to forum post, how to install Parsix with separate /home partition, it worked for me. On my PC harddrive name is sda2, not hda2.
http://www.parsix.org/html/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-109.html
@31 by jeff_Brasov:
Thanks for mentioning Absolute Linux and DreamLinux, I have added them to my list of distros to try.
@16 by davemc;
> "Parsix is ~possibly~ 0.00000000000001% more stable than Ubuntu"
Actually @5 Mandog's comment that Parsix is 1,000% better is very accurate on my hardware, because all Ubuntu 8.04 kernel based distros I have tried have this kernel bug:
"/var/logs fills with many GB:s of error message: phy0: not handling 0x02 type control frame"
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/248455
56 • re 42 (by Observer on 2008-08-06 13:55:28 GMT from Australia)
42 • @40 OpenSuSE and Novell (by BhaKi from India)
You are absolutely wrong about the relationship between OpenSuSE and Novell.
Well, what I meant is that all (or nearly all) software development/maintenance for the distro officially supported packages (oss, non-oss and updates repos) is carried out by paid Novell employees (at least that was the case about 1 yr ago and I have not read anything to the contrary since). Community involvement is in testing, bug reporting, documentation. community repos and packages contained therein.advocacy, and etc.
So, if the official openSUSE distro packages are developed and maintained by paid Novell employees, IMHO, it is perfectly logical to assume that openSUSE is "TOTALLY" dependent on Novell!
57 • @31, Absolute Linux mini-review and some questions (by xet7 on 2008-08-06 14:45:02 GMT from Finland)
@31 by jeff_Brasov:
Here's my Absolute Linux mini-review and some questions.
Absolute Linux Installation:
- I installed in VirtualBox, because there seems to be no LiveCD, I did not have spare partition in my laptop
- many manual prompts, not anything hard though, I selected automatic install and dhcp
- installs only root user, other user accounts need to be created later
Xorg configuration prompt:
- if I select yes, it crashes VirtualBox, so I select no every time I boot
- how can I turn off Xorg configuration prompt?
Look and feel:
- menu structure etc looks a little like in Puppy Linux
Installing codecs:
- Dialog text:
BUILDING PACKAGES
Please wait,
the files needed to run the installer are being compiled.
This can take QUITE some time...
(about 1/2 hour on a typical system)
[Cancel Install]
- It went some time, less than half an hour.
- After installing it says:
Installation of multimedia packages ic complete.
The built packages have been left in /usr/src/restricted
for future use or reference.
[OK]
- codecs work fine.
Language:
- Where can I change language or keyboard to Finnish?
Package Manager:
- How can I install XChat and other apps?
- How can I install all latest updates?
I typed:
root: > slapt-get --upgrade
Failed to open /etc/slapt-get/slapt-getrc
/etc/slapt-get/slapt-getrc: No such file or directory
Login sound:
- How can I turn off login sound sample?
Thanks!
58 • RE 57 or Absolute distro curios (by jeff_Brasov on 2008-08-06 18:14:39 GMT from Romania)
Hello xet7 and all those are interested in Absolute !
First : I never try Virtual Box. My system: memory 256 MB RAM , processor AMD Athlon 1800 + , motherboard Gigabyte , video is 'on board' and the memory is 32 MB shared from RAM. For me the install took approx. 17 min; then the codex install 1.5 hours but it may vary because the Internet provider speed is never the same.
Second : This is not Live CD so ... you have to install on HD ( I reserved 7GB because OALD and LDOCE are huge ). In my opinion the true enjoy/taste of a distro can be reached only after is installed on HD.
Third: I never tried Puppy ( another small and lovely distro is AUSTRUMI ) but I always look for dictionaries . As I already mention Absolute comes with 2 very good dictionary ( did I mention that WordNet is made by Princeton? ) . I have no problems install OALD and LDOCE on Absolute. For example on Zenwalk I was not able at all to install l OALD and LDOCE and on Vector the sound for these two is not working.
Forth : The developers have not yet found a host for repository (see post 35 by pinakidion ) so the upgrade using gslapt or slapt-get is not yet possible but THE PROGRAMS ARE THE LATEST OR ALMOST THE LATEST VERSION ( please check on DW ). Therefore you don't need to upgrade.
Fifth: To create a user you have a graphical tool but you could use the CLI:
In xterm type adduser lauri ENTER. I have assumed that your name is Lauri.
Try it!
Sixth: The sound file from login is bb.wav .You must see Loony Toones to 'get the picture' . This sound is part of Absolute flavor - please don't change it until you understood what it mean !
For other details please visit the distro page: http://www.pcbypaul.com/absolute .
Bye.
59 • RE 58 Creating an user and password withot a localized keymap? (by dbrion on 2008-08-06 18:34:35 GMT from France)
Comment deleted (incomprehensible).
60 • RE 55 (by Blue Knight on 2008-08-06 18:40:46 GMT from France)
> "@6 by Béranger and @19 by ZBREAKER:
Here is link to forum post, how to install Parsix with separate /home partition, it worked for me. On my PC harddrive name is sda2, not hda2.
http://www.parsix.org/html/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-109.html"
Yes but it's not really "official"... This possibility MUST be offered by the installer during the install , without "trick"! (and even for other partitions: /boot etc...)
61 • RE :59 (by jeff_Brasov on 2008-08-06 19:01:24 GMT from Romania)
Sniff, sniff ...I feel Zen in the air. Tis is good. But...
Nothing could help if MicroCiel is mixed with laptops.
You don't know all the meaning of flavor?
All the best...
62 • RE 55 (by Blue Knight on 2008-08-06 19:01:28 GMT from France)
Comment deleted (duplicate).
63 • Parsix - A Little Gem (by VorianGrey on 2008-08-06 19:53:19 GMT from United States)
I had never paid any attention to Parsix until I read the mini-review. I decided to give it a try and I was so amazed. Not only did everything work but it was fast. I decided to install it and play with it for a bit. It does remind me a lot of Ubuntu, but unlike that distro it doesn't freeze and crash for me.
It really deserves to be better known.
64 • @58, @60 (by xet7 on 2008-08-06 20:09:44 GMT from Finland)
@58, @60
All of the following comments are for very friendly constructive criticism. I test many distros and operating systems regularly. English is not my native language, so all I mean is friendly discussion.
@58:
1) I need VirtualBox for my work, for testing my code in many operating system, so it was easier to test with it. Not many Linux distros have problems running under VirtualBox.
2) I use LiveCD to test if my hardware works, because some distos have bugs on my hardware. Making CD that has boot options for LiveCD mode and Installation is used in many distros, and theres lots of sample code for that functionality.
3) Puppy Linux is very good small Linux. Combined LiveCD and installation CD is only 88 MB so it's very fast download. It can use existing swap partition, so it will boot to LiveCD with low memory computers. You can see screenshots and more features at:
http://www.puppylinux.org
- For dictionaries I use one that is based on Wiktionary:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page
(Finnish version is http://www.sanakirja.org )
4) Thanks, good to know apps are recent versions! :)
Not having repo is normal, not all distros have repositories. But can I download slacware package (from where?) and install it manually? How?
5) I had already created normal user account using Absolute Linux included graphical tools, but I could not install media codecs as normal user, so I had to login as root, use startx to get to X, and use provided menus.
6) I have to turn all system sounds off from computers, because sounds annoy my wife. How can I disable startup sound?
I didn't find answers to my questions easily from Absolute Linux webpage, so I'm a newbie with Absolute Linux, and I'd like to learn more about it.
In summary, my questions:
1) Howto install more software?
2) Howto turn off startup sound?
3) Howto change language and keyboard layout?
@60:
Sure at some point using separate home partition will be integrated into installer, I'm in no hurry. Parsix is making steady progress, and I'm very happy with using it daily for work and hobbies. I'm always looking for other distros too, but haven't yet found one that's better than Parsix, feel free to suggest one! :)
Current situation with different distos:
- Parsix: installs fast, detects all my hardware.
- OpenSuse: LiveCD worked ok, but I didn't install and test it more.
- Puppy Linux: works fine, though I need larger sofware repositories.
- Ubuntu and derivatives: kernel update Ubuntu started to fill my harddisk with many GB:s of logs (at /var/logs) of some kernel bug, trackerd and evolution-data-server used 100% of CPU.
- Fedora 9: I coudn't get autologin working. Python-tk wasn't in default repositories, though I didn't use more time to find it.
- Arch Linux: getting everything installed takes a long time, so I didn't use much time to test it.
Many of these distros have lots of happy users, and I love to test and learn new stuff.
65 • RE 64 (by Blue Knight on 2008-08-06 20:30:51 GMT from France)
Maybe you could try Frugalware... ;-)
66 • @65 (by xet7 on 2008-08-06 20:53:53 GMT from Finland)
@65:
Hey cool, I haven't heard of that before, it seems to have package manager and LiveCD :) I'll start downloading now :)
67 • @66 (by Blue Knight on 2008-08-06 22:02:57 GMT from France)
Yes, they have Pacman, I guess it's slightly modified compared to Arch Pacman and yes there is a GUI. It is fairly recent and may/must still improve, but not bad at all. Personally I use the command line and use the GUI just to look for the packages I want install...
"We don't have our own package manager, we use Judd Vinet's great work, the pacman package manager. It's a tar.bz2 based package manager, similar to Slackware's .tgz. Our packages' extension is .fpm to differentiate them from regular tarballs. Unlike Slackware's scripts, pacman is written in C, so it's much faster." (From the Frugalware web site)
Plus Frugalware has a large repo, it's an interesting alternative to something like Debian. And their documentation is quite good.
Now I do not know if it suits you... Try and see :-)
I'm in dual-boot between Parsix and Frugalware currently... For now, very good! lol :D
P.S= For me too: "English is not my native language" ;-)
68 • RE:64 (by IMQ on 2008-08-06 22:04:56 GMT from United States)
I believe Absolute Linux is based on Slackware 12.1, so packages for Slackware 12.1 may work.
If slapt-get is already installed, you can configure it to any of the Slackware mirror sites and install additional packages.
If slapt-get is not installed, you can download the it from
http://software.jaos.org/
For 3rd party packages, try these sites:
http://slackbuilds.org/
http://gnomeslackbuild.org/
http://www.slacky.eu/index.php
I don't know the proper way to turn off sound, but you can try to rename the file bb.wav mentioned in post #58 to something else, say nobb.wav.
69 • Frugalware (by xet7 on 2008-08-06 22:49:00 GMT from Finland)
Frugalware is very good, I tried latest testing LiveCD fwlive-0.9pre2-i686-full.iso :
- booted from LiveCD, and I could browse the Internet right away
- external monitor refresh rate was too low, sure I can change it manually in xorg.conf
- KDE theme is very nice
- seems to work fast, like Parsix and Sidux
Thanks for a great suggestion!
Absolute Linux crashed VirtualBox because there is recent bug in VirtualBox, it has happened with other distros too, it has nothing to do with Absolute Linux in particular:
http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/568
I may post VirtualBox crash log to the ticket later, but I'll put it here too:
Log created: 2008-08-06T13:17:55.207610000Z
Executable: /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox
Arg[0]: /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox
Arg[1]: -comment
Arg[2]: Absolute Linux
Arg[3]: -startvm
Arg[4]: e85d676d-bfda-4f0c-b4a1-74ec3565940a
!!Assertion Failed!!
Expression:
Location : /home/user/virtualbox-ose-1.6.2-dfsg/src/VBox/VMM/VMMAll/PGMAllPool.cpp(2135) void pgmPoolTrackFlushGCPhysPTInt(VM*, const PGMPAGE*, uint16_t, uint16_t)
cRefs=1 iFirstPresent=18 cPresent=35
70 • RE 61 No, I do not know the meaning of flavor, (PR vague notion) (by dbrion on 2008-08-07 05:43:13 GMT from France)
"You don't know all the meaning of flavor?"
But I know the meaning of common sense... and the fact that keyboards cannot be configured in anything else than QWERTY is not appealing, even if there were 1000000 dictionaries..
FYI Keyboard and language recognition have been handled by (the of course infamous) Microsoft since a century.... without music at login (and how can you add a user and log with a password if you cannot see ia pqsszord -sorry, password- because the keymap is not configured?)
71 • KDE isn't "back" (by Andre on 2008-08-07 07:03:35 GMT from Australia)
It's following the track it's always been on
72 • RE :64 (by jeff_Brasov on 2008-08-07 07:19:56 GMT from Romania)
OK ! I understand that you are a programmer (from your web page). I do this for your wife:
To disable the start sound edit /home/user/.xinitrc . For example vi /home/lauri/.initrc ENTER. At the bottom delete the line which start with 'play'. Save and exit. Reboot.
Did you try the forum on the distro's web page ?
Best wishes ...
73 • @72 (by xet7 on 2008-08-07 08:03:37 GMT from Finland)
@72
Yes my work is programming in many different programming languages, and there's some Open Source code on my website. I'm also active contributor to Parsix Linux forums and wiki.
Thanks for the /home/user/.xinitrc info! :)
Yes I tried Absolute Linux forums.
74 • RE : xet7 (by jeff_Brasov on 2008-08-07 14:11:09 GMT from Romania)
I almost forget :
During install Absolute you was ask about keyboard. What did you answer ?
75 • @74 (by xet7 on 2008-08-07 15:09:23 GMT from Finland)
@74:
Hmm, I don't remember actually, could I change keyboard layout to Finnish or Swedish afterwards?
76 • RE: 75 (by jeff_Brasov on 2008-08-07 16:14:09 GMT from Romania)
I don't think so.
If it is possible it take too long and must see in /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/xfree86 .
The best answer is on Absolute forum if you will put a detailed question.
My regards.
77 • @76 (by xet7 on 2008-08-07 16:28:49 GMT from Finland)
@76:
I made some searches and here are the results, but I haven't tried them yet:
Changing keymap:
http://www.pcbypaul.com/absolute/forum/viewtopic.php?t=455
There is Finnish language for IceWM according to IceWM homepage:
http://www.icewm.org
78 • RE: 77 (by jeff_Brasov on 2008-08-07 17:19:48 GMT from Romania)
Stop! I remember that I once change KB in gNewSense. After change I could not access root because in password the characters where altered.
Reinstall is the only clean way for change the keyboard.
Good luck!
79 • @77 (by Anonymous on 2008-08-07 17:56:12 GMT from France)
I am sorry if I say an idiocy, but why not just change the layout in the xorg.conf keyboard section?
e.g Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
Option "XkbLayout" "fr,us"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
I do this (for me, changing "us" with "fr") in several liveCD and everything seemed to work well after...
80 • @78, @79 (by xet7 on 2008-08-07 18:33:12 GMT from Finland)
@78:
Hmm, really? Usually if passwords are of a-z 0-9 characters thern keymap shoud not matter? And if it's in Absolute Linux forums, it should work?
@79:
Yes, the Absolute Linux forums link tells the same about the xorg.conf, but it also covers console and system language settings:
http://www.pcbypaul.com/absolute/forum/viewtopic.php?t=455
81 • Re 63 Parsix a little gem (by mikkh on 2008-08-07 21:06:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
I've been using it a while and although it might remind you of Ubuntu, it's not one of the many clones - it's based on Kanotix, which has lost it's way since the developers fell out with each other.
Another little (virtually unknown) gem is Pardus.
For people actually bothered to look beyond the top 10 distros, there are quite a few other diamonds among the rough too, like Granular a more than decent reworking of PClinuxOS.
.... and most impressive reworking of Puppy, goes to Tiger Puppy
Anyone managed to get Gos 3 downloaded yet btw?
82 • @81 (by xet7 on 2008-08-07 21:13:33 GMT from Finland)
@81:
What is Gos 3 ? Download link? :)
83 • @81 (by xet7 on 2008-08-07 21:14:57 GMT from Finland)
@81:
Found the download link from DW frontpage, trying to download...
84 • @81 - gOS (by nobody special on 2008-08-07 21:17:45 GMT from United States)
Please see the announcements page of Distrowatch: http://distrowatch.com/
:-)
85 • gOS (by xet7 on 2008-08-07 21:43:06 GMT from Finland)
gOS Torrent here:
http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=5f81baf7d3c294adcfce8504f3d1982ac96fa031
86 • gOS 3.0 Beta (by IMQ on 2008-08-08 01:40:54 GMT from United States)
I had it installed on a spare partition. So far so good.
Then I installed packages, both GNOME and KDE apps among others. However, when I tried to check to see if the apps were added to the menu, the gOS button was *dead* as a door knob.
I did the Ctrl-Alt-Back Space, then logged back in. Now the gOS menu is replaced by the usual GNOME menu layout.
Reading somewhere that the new gOS uses LXDE instead of Englightenment or GNOME, I logged out and clicked on the sessions button to see if LXDE is an an option.
NOPE.
So, installing certain GNOME packages basically turn the default LXDE to GNOME.
87 • PCFluxboxOS (by Verndog on 2008-08-08 14:48:00 GMT from United States)
Way back here: DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 247, 7 April 2008
I found someone mention TinyFlux.
I installed it on my old Compaq laptop PII, 192 mb computer. It runs very well. I forgot I had installed it. I recently installed the hard drive that had that distro on it back into the Compaq. Wow I was impressed with its speed. The problem is I can't find anymore information on the distro. The only thing I came up with is this blog:
http://linuxmini.blogspot.com/2007/11/pcfluxboxos-mini-of-pclinuxos.html
I Googled and found virtually nothing. It looks like whoever remastered it has left planet earth for greater and better things :)
It appears its TinyFlux. Only reading the above blog did I find it here:
http://pcfluxboxos.wikidot.com/tinyflux
Anyone else use this in the past. Any other distro that even comes close to the speed and usability of TinyFlux?
88 • TinyFlux (by anticapitalista on 2008-08-08 15:32:14 GMT from Greece)
#87. TinyFlux is a very good ditro, but the developer has stalled development for a while (see his post here: http://tinyme.mypclinuxos.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=2068&p=14871#p14871 )
TinyMe is another very fast and light pclinuxos remaster, using openbox and lxde.
You could try my antiX-M7.2 (or antiX-M7.5-test2 , final should be in a couple of weeks max.). Uses Mepis utilities and kernel, but all the rest is Debian Testing/Etch.
Now uses the smxi script (as in sidux), comes with fluxbox default and probably the best configured icewm OOTB! (antiX-M7.5 that is)
89 • RE: 88 (by jeff_Brasov on 2008-08-08 17:14:20 GMT from Romania)
Hi anticapitalista !
I have a partition with antix-M . Is speedy and the Debian repo offers a lot of programs. OALD and LDOCE dictionaries works perfect.
I am worried about : 'smxi script (as in sidux )'. In the last version of sidux I can not reach the Web. Please give some details.
90 • #89 smxi script in antiX (by anticapitalista on 2008-08-08 20:04:42 GMT from Greece)
#89
Hi Jeff!
Glad to hear that OALD and LDOCE dictionaries works perfect in antiX.
The smxi script is a script that will help users to take care of their installed antiX (and of course sidux and Debian itself) when upgrading and/or installing nvidia/ati drivers as well as a lot of other uses such as upgrading to newer kernels from sidux, Debian and in the future MEPIS. The smxi script will also ask users if they wish to sidify antiX, sid it or leave it as it is ie Testing. I believe that the script allows antiX to be one of the most, if not the most, flexible lite-distros out there.
Of course, users don't have to use the script if they don't want to. They can run antiX fine without it.
91 • RE: 90 (by jeff_Brasov on 2008-08-09 06:53:21 GMT from Romania)
Thanks for informations anticapitalista ! I will wait for antiX-M7.5 release.
All the best.
92 • TinyMe (by Verndog on 2008-08-10 04:12:51 GMT from United States)
I installed TinyME. This old Compaq took some wrangling, but I finally got the thing installed.
For one thing I don't like the installed.debain is much better. It some times just stops. The worst part is trying to convince it to use the partitions I gave it.
It boots fairly quckly once it gets past HAL daemon! It took over two minutes to move beyond hal. 1 minute in and then a madwifi already in use came up, then over another 1 minute, and finally get a login prompt.
I've googled and can't find much regarding hal taking so much time. One post mentioned the nic connection, and keeping updated. If I only knew what hal was doing, that would be a big kelp.
Thanks Anticapitalista for the tip. Your right TinyFlux is on a haitus. Maybe I'll try your distro once it's finished.
93 • re: 12 ubuntu and bugs (by dopher on 2008-08-10 08:18:56 GMT from Belgium)
I think it isn't fair to compare ubuntu to the smaller projects. Ubuntu tries to meet the demands of a broad audience. It has support for many hardware configs with their patched kernel. Also it has a great user experience out of the box.
With that i mean a good looking interface, great fontrendering out of the box. Then they have the enormous repository and because it's widely used, a great supportbase. Easy to install apps quickly.
The best thing is their Long Term Support. Now, when you are in college, or university (or unemployed) you probably have loads of time to maintain a box, compile programs, figure out dependencies, and have lot of principles to care about.
I'll tell you this. I like to use my computer, instead of reinstalling (or compiling programs) every half year, because the smaller distro has yet another version with new bugs, new features, and new crap.
When i communicate with someone, and i want to send him a file from my gsm, i just wanna be able to grab the phone, send the file to my computer, and send it. And not like the following scenario: "sorry, i can't send the file yet, because i just reinstalled, and i haven't setup bluetooth yet"
I have to work all day. I also have other hobbies. And when i want to use the computer (whether it is to game, do some shell scripting, or listening to music) i want it to be ready to use. That means my devices should be configured, my data should be there, etc.
Now, i have no problem spending some time to install and configure my pc (and i care about privacy, speed, so i tweak and check out what i install) . BUT NOT EVERY HALF YEAR! That's why i like ubuntu's LTS release. And knowing the bugs i can life with that or use a work around. Other distro's might have other bugs.
moving to yet another distro because of yet another discrepancy won't solve anything. (unless it's your hobby and you like it)
94 • @93: Ubuntu as a Server (by xet7 on 2008-08-11 00:58:36 GMT from Finland)
Hey, here's a very positive comment about Ubuntu :)
Yesterday I got VPS from vpslink.com, and first selected Debian 4 Etch. Didn't get everything needed installed easily, some clicks later Ubuntu 8.04 is installed instead, and there was software I needed in default repositories, and I got it installed easily. Happy :) Big kudos to knowledgeable VPS image creators and working hardware at vpslink.com and Ubuntu for good software repositories. This could not happen on my crappy laptop.
95 • @86: gOS 3.0 Beta (by xet7 on 2008-08-11 01:12:55 GMT from Finland)
@86: gOS 3.0 Beta
gOS had same problems as Ubuntu on my crappy laptop, same kernel bug, that's not there in Parsix and some others.
gOS window buttons are so similar to each other and strangely reordered, I could easily click wrong button.
gOS has button menu on the bottom of screen, that below mouse buttoms come animated bigger, and when I open window fullscreen, that menu is not visible, it's behind fullscreen window. Taskbar at the top is visible though.
96 • TinyMe, hal and Skype (by Verndog on 2008-08-11 04:15:04 GMT from United States)
I finally got hal to stop taking so long on boot up. It was all a matter of getting etho up and running. Odd that nothing reported in var/logs.
Now if I could only get my Logitech Quickcam for Notebooks (046d:091c) working under Skype. It works perfect under Windows.
97 • @94 (by Anonymous on 2008-08-11 04:21:24 GMT from France)
> "Ubuntu for good software repositories."
Ubuntu uses Debian repos, so rather Debian "for good software repositories."... ;-)
About kernel, Parsix is Debian but they are a "customized" kernel, and more recent...
98 • re:97 (by Dopher on 2008-08-11 07:19:47 GMT from Belgium)
I know that, but from a user point of view, does that matter? You really think that if my uncle (he doesn't work in IT, is no programmer or wizkidd, he just uses his pc to run applications) uses ubuntu, and i tell him that ubuntu uses debian repo's, he says " oh, then i rather use debian".
I was just mentioning one of the advantages of ubuntu.
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