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1 • kde 3 vs 4 (by Douglas on 2008-05-12 10:22:07 GMT from Germany)
I would love to know if this KDE 3 to 4 comparison holds true for the new Kubuntu also. Is it faster there? Is it stable? does it fix any of the complaints that show up in this review?
Douglas
2 • from Red Hat 9 to Fedora 9 (by jolyx on 2008-05-12 10:26:27 GMT from Spain)
One of my first Linux experiences was Red Hat 9. And now we have Fedora 9. What a long way in less than 5 years!?! Tried KDE4 on Ubuntu 8.04 and it's a totally new feeling really. And now a happy Slackware 12.1 user for my daily tasks.
3 • BSD & Qt4 (by Eric on 2008-05-12 10:28:44 GMT from Canada)
The new PC-BSD 7 is nothing less than amazing.
I'm also reading the C++ GUI Programming with Qt4 (2nd Edition) and have been quite fond of the book so far, this was a really great DWW, but I still have yet to upgrade to KDE4. I've been enjoying PC-BSD 7 along my lovely sidux and a new language dubbed Erlang, so I've been keeping quite busy :)
Thanks Ladislav
4 • Fedora (by xDIGITALVAMPIREx on 2008-05-12 10:43:51 GMT from United States)
Fedora 9! Can't wait!
5 • No subject (by unknown on 2008-05-12 10:45:13 GMT from Philippines)
@Douglas
KDE4 in Kubuntu is the worst. You can't change settings as there's no Administrator Mode button. It's just like you're in read-only mode. KDE 3.5 is much better.
6 • Kubuntu KDE4 (by asker on 2008-05-12 11:10:03 GMT from Australia)
Have to agree with Unknown above. KDE4 in Kubuntu is a joke. Fedora and Opensuse have done a lot more to build a well integrated KDE4 system
7 • Is FreeNAS 0.686.4 Beta or Stable? (by Joaquim Gil on 2008-05-12 11:37:06 GMT from Portugal)
Contrary of what posted here at Distrowatch, the new maintenance release of FreeNAS 0.686.4 is mentioned as Beta and not a Stable release.
This can be checked here, at FreeNAS' SourceForge download page:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=151951
So my question: Is this Beta or Stable?
Cheers.
8 • KDE4 (by Romane on 2008-05-12 12:02:31 GMT from Australia)
Think I'll stay with KDE 3.5. Have tried 4 in a few distros now and can only say yuk. Would rather use Gnome, and I don't even like Gnome! KDE4 looks good, must admit, but the gains are heavily outweighed by the losses. Am hoping that a future version of KDE will put back some of that functionality etc.
9 • Fedora 9 codecs (by Amar on 2008-05-12 12:05:23 GMT from Bosnia and Herzegovina)
Does anyone know how to install all codecs (wmv,avi,mpg,mp3 etc...) on Fedora without buying that codec pack ? I found this only thing that keep me away from Fedora
10 • Fedora 9 (on PPC) (by Bojan on 2008-05-12 12:24:32 GMT from United Kingdom)
I can't wait to get Fedora 9 for my PowerMac G5 (yes, there are still some of us who refuse to give up PPC). As I needed a stable environment I couldn't afford testing pre-release PPC versions and couldn't find it mentioned anywhere. Anyone here had a go?
Fedora 8 was hit and miss (locking up way too often), while openSuse 10.3, though working fine for quite some time, was never my cup of tea.
I really hope Fedora team will do a better job with this release.
11 • @ 9 - Fedora 9 codecs (by Landon on 2008-05-12 12:30:04 GMT from United States)
I have not seen a F9 guide yet (I'd expect it this week) but the following can be applied to F9...
http://www.fedorafaq.org/
I have been running F9 (Gnome) since Alpha stages and it's become my favorite daily desktop.
Thanks for DWW.
12 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-05-12 12:47:36 GMT from United States)
Another good DWW.
I'm looking forward to trying Fedora 9. Every six months, I try the new Fedora and end up getting burned. Like your average idiot, I'll try yet again, and expect to be burned again.
I been running Slackware 12.1 the last week. It's my first real experience with Slackware. All I can say is "wow". That's what I call an operating system. I've never used a distro for a week and failed to uncover any bugs. That stuff about dependency resolution is a myth - almost every dependency is already available anyway. It's designed very well in that regard. I've got the most up-to-date system I've ever had, and will continue to have cutting edge apps available due to SlackBuilds.org and slacky.eu. If the only price to pay is that I have to compile a handful of apps myself, that's a price I'm willing to pay.
On KDE 4, all I can say is that you have to be very talented to make a menu that reduces your productivity that much. Whoever is responsible for that menu should get a Nobel Prize for an accomplishment like that.
13 • Fedora 9 (by My Linux Page on 2008-05-12 13:12:18 GMT from United States)
"And an exciting one it was too! In fact, the change was so overwhelming that it almost felt as if I had switched my entire operating system to a completely new code base.", after this comment I have to test Fedora 9. Thanks for the review.
14 • Kde 4 & PC-BSD 7 (by Eddie Wilson on 2008-05-12 13:23:44 GMT from United States)
I've tried Kde 4 and I agree thats it not quite ready yet. Too many things are still very buggy and I like stable. Speaking of stable the new PC-BSD 7 looks great. If it runs as well as 1.5.1 we are in for a treat.
Thanks
15 • Fedora 9 (by Dorin on 2008-05-12 13:39:12 GMT from Romania)
Great review... makes me more eager than before... (could you share the name of that mirror please :D).
I am currently using Fedora 8 and I alternated between Fedora and openSUSE lately. The preview was great, can't wait for the final.Too bad so was the OS 11 beta... but the tougher the decision the better :D
16 • 2008-05-13: openSUSE 11.0 Beta 3 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-12 13:51:11 GMT from Germany)
This has been corrected to 2008-05-15 (usual Thursday).
17 • Re: 1 • kde 3 vs 4 (by Ariszló on 2008-05-12 13:56:31 GMT from Hungary)
Douglas wrote: "I would love to know if this KDE 3 to 4 comparison holds true for the new Kubuntu also. Is it faster there?"
KDE4 achieves its speed by heavy memory usage. If you have a lot of RAM then KDE4 will be fast for you. However, if you only heave 512 MB or less then KDE4 will be using the swap all the time and it will be much slower than KDE3.
18 • paldo GNU/Linux (by Debianux on 2008-05-12 14:02:39 GMT from Switzerland)
Hey, ever tried paldo? It really rocks! You should absolutely try it!!! It is very fast, simple and pure. http://mirror2.vis.ethz.ch/paldo/paldo-live-cd-x86-stable.iso
19 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-05-12 14:07:51 GMT from United States)
I've tried it in the past with Mandriva 2008.1 beta releases (last time a little over a month ago), and it was slow, jerky, moving windows around was not smooth, button pushing in settings took a long time, to the point of being unusable. Clean install from Mandriva Gnome, no prior KDE settings, and the proprietary graphics drivers set up correctly. Does anyone know if that has changed?
I have an E4300 Core 2 Duo, 4 gigs of ram, and an Nvidia 8600gt.
My system performs/games very well otherwise, it's not a problem with my system. I did some reading, did some tweaks, and no difference. I read something about that series of Nvidia card being slow with KDE 4, many others with the same problem.
I have limited bandwidth, I don't want to try it again unless I know it will work by the time it gets here, be it by Fedora, or in Mandriva. If anyone here tries Fedora, with a similar setup, I'd like to hear about it.
20 • Leaked Fedora ISO's (by Landon on 2008-05-12 14:09:09 GMT from United States)
Posted on Planet Fedora...
meng in #fedora-my pointed me that there are several torrents which claims to be Fedora9 "Sulphur" Final ISO in several torrent sites. While I don't know how legit they are - and didn't bother to download since I've been on F9 since alpha, but here is a little warning for those who couldn't be patience and wait for official release.
Until the official SHA1/MD5 sums for those ISO is officially released in FedoraProject.Org, its validity and security is doubted. It is possible for some people with malicious intent to inject a rootkit into that ISO, and make themselves able to take over your computer and data. It is not that hard to spin a rootkit'ed ISO considering revisor and friends are rather easy to use. If I remember correctly, it have happened before with a Fedora release and was mentioned somewhere.
You have been warned, so, if you still couldn't wait for 3 days more, go ahead and search for the torrents and have fun cleaning up stuff if you got rootkit'ed (^-^).
21 • KDE 4 (by sonicfrog on 2008-05-12 14:09:53 GMT from United States)
I tried KDE 4 when it was first released and didn't think it was all that great. But it was brand spanking new so I knew I was not going to get the kind of functionality I get from that mature KDE's and Gnomes. I am looking forward to giving it another whirl.
Sort of Of Topic. I have a few pointers on installing Cinelerra on Fedora 8 my blog. Did a bit of editing last night and all worked very well.
22 • Com 3 :"BSD & Qt4 (" (by dbrion on 2008-05-12 14:11:33 GMT from France)
Last year, I managed to have QT4 compiled, tested (it takes much time) and examples in tutorials working in Apr. with PC-BSD (qgis needed it)...
This week end, PC-BSD 7(alpha -1) seemed not that RAM greedy (worked with 300 M RAM ; vmstat did not show swap access, though I had it compiling much -no package manager yet in this alpha 1 version- { I got installed gnuplot, Octave, gnu-make (!), gnu-sed (!), g77 & gcc 3.4, R and Yorick, the order I quote is arbitrary...} .
When it loses it g(r)eek letter, I hope PC BSD will be quite comfortable..
BTW Thanks for indicating erlang...
23 • No subject (by Landon on 2008-05-12 14:11:39 GMT from United States)
And as posted by Paul Frields....
10:03 am
Fedora
Permalink Permalink
No comments
Digg!
Flushing the pipes.
It’s true, we had some problems with permission bits and rsync last night with the release candidate, which has resulted in some incomplete leaky mirrors. Users who try these mirrors may find that they don’t get what they’re bargaining for, because of missing bits. (Not to mention which, everything’s still subject to change until the 13th in case of fire or flood.) We’re really happy everyone is so excited about Fedora 9, but please don’t encourage silly fanboy behavior that might result in someone having a bad experience with Fedora. We want to make sure people thoroughly enjoy installing and using the distribution we all know and love so much!
(Thanks to the folks who alerted us to the problem.)
UPDATE: Our trusty release engineers tell me the leaked bits were not the final bits. If you hold on to any bits until May 13th, you can probably use jigdo to update them to the true final release bits.
24 • Upstart not actually doing anything (by Omari on 2008-05-12 14:25:07 GMT from United States)
Straight from
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Upstart
"Mentioning Upstart's presence in F9 might score us technical points, even if it isn't doing anything that interesting just yet."
Ubuntu introduced Upstart awhile ago but as of Gutsy it wasn't doing anything interesting either. Does anyone know if Hardy actually makes use of Upstart or if it is still just running Sys V scripts?
25 • kde 4 fedora ubuntu (by Greg on 2008-05-12 14:27:29 GMT from United States)
kbuntu is a joke, a bad one, always has been, the developers at ubuntu spend a total of 5 minutes putting it together, wish they would just drop the project.
Kde works very well in kde centric distros, like pclinuxos,mepis,etc
26 • Fedora 9 (by Lutfi Yelkenci on 2008-05-12 14:28:39 GMT from Turkey)
I've tried almost every distro for 2 years. But from Fedora 8 i've never changed ... until now.
It's time for Fedora 9 :)
btw the mirror is...ftp.rhnet.is
27 • KDE 4 (by Airdrik on 2008-05-12 15:14:17 GMT from United States)
From what I've seen of KDE 4, your best bet at getting a well-done KDE 4 is going to be OpenSuse. After all, OpenSuse is where most of the development of KDE 4 took place.
I'm sure Fedora will have a decent KDE 4 in this, their latest release, but I would still look at OpenSuse's current deployments (10.3) of KDE 4 over Fedora 9 (imo).
I've only used KDE 4 on Kubuntu and PCLOS so far, and on neither one have I gotten past the 'configure everything' stage to the 'start using it' stage, primarily due to a certain lacking in plasmoids available (by default), the fact that the items on the desktop (that I had put there in kde3.5) just show a blank page for an icon--rather distasteful, and the fact that that panel is rather ugly in my opinion--big black and bulky (I prefer about 36 px tall, semi-transparent panel).
As for speed/memory footprint, from what I've heard, KDE 4 is supposed to have a lower footprint than 3.5, which is in part due to the switch to qa4, and in part due to the revamp of the backends, so KDE 4 is supposed to be snappier and more light-weight than 3.5 was (at least until you start enabling more of the bling effects which I would think will put you midway between kde 3.5 and 3.5+compiz).
28 • Forgettable Fedora (by John Grub on 2008-05-12 15:38:48 GMT from United States)
On Fedora:
"This went well and less than an hour later I was greeted with a brand new desktop look."
geesus, an HOUR later. foooorget about it.
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"KDE 4.0.3 is barely usable (you can't even copy or move files from the main window to the navigation panel, the one invoked with the F9 key?) and outrageously buggy"
What kind of nonsense is this?! No wonder Fedora is getting their as*** kicked by ubuntu!
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"When comparing Fedora 8 with Fedora 9, the newer version seems more stable"
What?? Sounds like your schizophrenic. One time you say it's so buggy, next your touting its virtures. I don't get it.
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"Upstart (a replacement for SysVInit)"!!! WoW!
Now were talking!!! SysVInit has been around WAY too long. Upstart is why
the new Fedora is so fast. Has nothing to do with KDE4 or anything else.
29 • Fedora Codecs... (by FreeTibet on 2008-05-12 15:43:40 GMT from Canada)
Hi All,
Info for Amar concerning Fedora and installing extra codecs. You can get them at:
http://rpm.livna.org/rlowiki/
I think you are getting Fedora confused with Mandriva which does charge for their PowerPack/Extra Codecs, but you can get the extra codecs with them from alternative repositories too. Fedora is free of all non-free codecs, and does not have any extra codec pack for sale that I am aware of.
Enjoy,
Free Tibet
9 • Fedora 9 codecs (by Amar on 2008-05-12 12:05:23 GMT from Bosnia and Herzegovina)
Does anyone know how to install all codecs (wmv,avi,mpg,mp3 etc...) on Fedora without buying that codec pack ? I found this only thing that keep me away from Fedora
30 • KDE 4 (by texasmike on 2008-05-12 15:51:46 GMT from United States)
There is a lot of work yet to be done, and I mean a lot, to get KDE 4 to a production status. It is fine if you want to run it for testing purposes to help improve it. For but a production system, forget about it for now. I run pure Debian - lenny/sid - and my KDE 3.5.9 runs great!
31 • @29 (by Landon on 2008-05-12 15:52:10 GMT from United States)
The OP may mean the Fluendo codecs which can be purchased through Fedora when first attempting to play some media files.
32 • No subject (by hi on 2008-05-12 16:36:03 GMT from Finland)
Fedora9 KDE4 is looking good, but wish they would get rid of that gtk bloat...and do some Qt!
33 • Troll (by Troll on 2008-05-12 17:30:04 GMT from India)
Comment deleted (troll).
34 • KDE 4 vs 3: opensuse (by DTR on 2008-05-12 17:36:09 GMT from United Kingdom)
I tried KDE 4 desktop a month ago and I was terribly disappointed. The system lacked many options and settings, the dolphin is so much weaker compared with konqueror 3.5. I love KDE 3.5, and I strongly feel about where 4.0 is heading. If I faced a dilema of gnome vs. KDE 4, I would definitely pick the former (I have run gnome for a total of 48h, vs 6 years of KDE 3). I hope they come up with something better / port back for 4.1
35 • re: 9 • Fedora 9 codecs (by Jason on 2008-05-12 17:55:43 GMT from United States)
I'd wait for the new Fedora Frog to come out.
http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Fedora_frog
36 • Upstart (by Rahul Sundaram on 2008-05-12 18:10:38 GMT from India)
@24, "Does anyone know if Hardy actually makes use of Upstart or if it is still just running Sys V scripts?"
No. No distribution uses upstart scripts. They all run under sysv compatibility mode. Fedora 10 will likely take advantage of it more however.
"Upstart is why the new Fedora is so fast. Has nothing to do with KDE4 or anything else."
Not really. Like I said, upstart is running under sysv compatibility mode and the speed difference between them at this point is negligible. Init scripts don't change the speed of your desktop environment anyway and only affect boot/shutdown speed for the most part.
37 • Fedora / Cinelerra (by Sonicfrog on 2008-05-12 18:27:07 GMT from United States)
Ooops, forgot to post link for blog:
http://sonicfrog.net
38 • Re: #18 - paldo GNU/Linux (by Ariszló on 2008-05-12 19:45:31 GMT from Hungary)
Yes, Paldo is an amazing distribution following the one app per task philoshophy on its live cd but offering several alternatives from its binary/source repositories. And its i686 build is very snappy.
39 • KDE4 and OpenSUSE 11 (by davemc on 2008-05-12 19:46:57 GMT from United States)
I have been heavily testing the SUSE 11 KDE4 beta since it released, and let me tell you, I am mightily impressed! Ive tried all the other attempts at a KDE4 desktop and, as other posters have frankly pointed out, they plain stink. The guys at Novell have quite obviously put some effort into the upcoming release as will be apparent to anyone who gives it a try. Its really quite the usable KDE desktop. The GNOME varient was really no different, however. Anyway, one happy tester here and I hope the improvements keep coming!
40 • @33...we need to boycott novell (by Rudy on 2008-05-12 20:19:57 GMT from United States)
I agree...
Are SuSE, OpenSUSE different? IMO no. We need to boycott OpenSuSE too.
41 • I feel bad for bsdforums.org (by MethodOne on 2008-05-12 20:31:28 GMT from United States)
I hope the admin of bsdforums.org notices the spam because the explicit messages link to illegal (in most countries) content. I decided to report the sicko user to http://www.cybertipline.com. Thanks for the link to daemonforums.org! The normal users looking for *BSD support should go to that site instead to avoid being offended by the spam on bsdforums.org.
42 • @ 39 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-12 20:35:22 GMT from Canada)
Suse 12 will abandon KDE4 and will introduce a new desktop environment, the Windows desktop. I'm looking forward to test it!!!
43 • ref#24 A SuSe Joke? (by John Grubb on 2008-05-12 21:26:38 GMT from United States)
"Suse 12 will abandon KDE4 and will introduce a new desktop environment, the Windows desktop. I'm looking forward to test it!!!"
HaHa, funny joke, since Microsoft now owns SuSe.
44 • Ubuntu *improvements* (by Ken on 2008-05-12 22:25:29 GMT from United States)
Ubuntu is following Micr0$0ft as far as features are concerned ... the coolest features are always in the yet-to-be-released version. Each time one release goes out the door, we start reading "the next release is going to be the coolest, most user-friendly, yadda yadda yadda" ... and what's more, almost all linux related sites (including distrowatch, sorry) seem to have jumped onto this bandwagon promoting something which, IMHO, is fairly mediocre.
How about giving a distro like PCLinuxOS some love? Its a breeze switching to, from Windows. Switching to Ubuntu from Windows (where 90% of computer users are, let's admit) is a steep uphill task, to say the least.
Seems like its the same old GNOME v/s KDE bias that is driving this sycophancy!
45 • #43 Get your facts straight (by Justin Whitaker on 2008-05-12 22:41:32 GMT from United States)
Microsoft has not entered into a takeover bid for Novell, SuSE, or any of Novell's assets. They don't have a significant stock ownership in Novell. So how are they owned?
Oh yeah, that Compatibility Deal. Much ado about nothing if you ask me...has the deal really changed Novells sponsorship of KDE, Compiz, or Open Office, or any other of the things that they are involved in that everyone is taking for granted in the Open Source communty?
Get your facts straight.
46 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-05-12 23:28:47 GMT from United States)
Thank you #45 for being a voice of reason.
47 • @45 (by venky on 2008-05-12 23:46:05 GMT from India)
The so called "compatibility deal" is a concern for the community because of the patent portions of it. It is naive to pretend it is not a problem. Eben Moglen from FSF and Software Freedom Law Center talks about this briefly at
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6YExl9ojclo
48 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-05-13 00:00:23 GMT from United States)
> It is naive to pretend it is not a problem.
Well, considering that it's been more than a year and a half now, show some evidence. boycottnovell.com doesn't count as evidence.
49 • @ 45 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-13 00:32:12 GMT from Canada)
Besides the patents deal, how about Mono, Moonlight, OOXML translation and all that Microsoft crap that Novell promotes in Linux world?
50 • #48 (by satan on 2008-05-13 00:40:26 GMT from Canada)
The evidence is that Novell is trying to use the patents deal to lure potential RedHat customers because RedHat had the backbone to refuse the dirty patents deal. Can't you see that Microsoft is using Novell and Suse to split the Linux community? All you have to do is switch to any other distro that refused the patents deal. This way we remain united.
51 • @ 44 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-13 01:15:10 GMT from Canada)
Linux has yet to make a dent in the desktop market, give it some time. Ubuntu is the driver right now, why do you think it is getting all the attention? If the merits of PCLinuxOS were so much greater than the big players, why isn't Dell, HP, ect just jumping in and using it instead of OpenSuSE or Ubuntu? You almost sound like a PCLOS fanboy. Better yet, if Ubuntu is so mediocre. why doesn't Canonical just give up now? What is the point? Windows and OS X are more than capable.
52 • MS,Novell & Suse what a trio of cr*p (by Dave Ellis on 2008-05-13 02:21:31 GMT from United States)
You guys are fools if you thing that Microsoft and its bed partner Novell and their bast**d child SuSe are not in cahoots to force patents on the rest of the Linux world.
53 • Evidence (by Anonymous on 2008-05-13 03:01:07 GMT from India)
"Well, considering that it's been more than a year and a half now, show some evidence"
You want evidence? See the amount of new FUD from Microsoft (backed by a Linux vendor - Novell, no less) about how SUSE is the only MS-approved linux system and everybody else is a thief.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5B0GTYfPoMo
Novell has backstabbed the community and uses the patent deal against Red Hat to try and win over enterprise customers. You should hear from Novell sales folks gushing about MS as their biggest channel partner and spreading fear against Red Hat
http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9788233-16.html.
Remember the GPLv3 changes that prevented similar patent deals in the future? Why do you think it was done if it doesn't affect community. FSF clearly thinks that the Novell patent deal was a violation of the license, in spirit if not directly. Again, listen to
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RV5PGGkpfFM
54 • 53 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-13 03:16:05 GMT from United States)
Sorry, that's not evidence. There's no evidence that anyone's actually being hurt. Microsoft says a lot of things. Big deal.
55 • Anti SUSE/openSUSE Distro Bashers ---->BORING!!! (by Get A LIFE! on 2008-05-13 03:29:39 GMT from Australia)
Cheap anti Novell shots seems like a poor excuse to promote some other distro at the expense of Suse/openSuse, IMHO! Even MS (Ubuntu Godfather) took part in it and it should be expected that some employees/supporters of competing distros would continue with the charade.
Jealousy IS a CURSE!!!
If you want to "Boycott Novell" - STOP USING LINUX!!!
Happy openSUSE USER ---> 10.2, 10.3 (soon 11.0)!
SCO Goes Down in Flames: Novell owns Unix
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4446359842.html
Aug. 10, 2007
"...The day Linux fans have been waiting for since SCO attacked Linux on May 12, 2003 has finally arrived. U.S. District Court Judge Dale Kimball has ruled that Novell, not SCO, owns Unix's IP (intellectual property) rights. This, in turn, means the end of SCO's cases against IBM...."
56 • novell&m$&suse (by hab on 2008-05-13 03:31:08 GMT from Canada)
If there is one thing i've learned in my almost 60 years on this planet it is that if you want to figure out what people (and companies, owned and staffed by people, BTW) WILL do, all you need to do is look at what they HAVE done!
The vole's (and novell's) contemptuous attitude toward linux and free software speaks volumes. They and their ilk simply cannot and should not be trusted in even the slightest way.
If YOU want to run their crap and feel all warm and fuzzy, go ahead, frankly i don't care, but forgive me if i call "cognitive dissonance!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
cheers
57 • Novell's contribution to Linux IS SIGNIFICANT! (by In every way! on 2008-05-13 03:46:59 GMT from Australia)
Only creative UNPRINCIPLED LOWLIFES would claim they are NOT using their CONTRIBUTION if they are using LINUX.
Disto Bashers, GET A LIFE!
58 • Linux Mint (by wam on 2008-05-13 03:50:40 GMT from United States)
Ive been using the beta Mint most of the day now. all i have to say is that its a winner. My favorite distros so far is Mint, Ubuntu, and Mandriva.
Looking to later this week on trying the new PCBSD 7 and OpenSolaris.
59 • re #57 Novell's contribution to Linux (by hab on 2008-05-13 04:35:59 GMT from Canada)
And we should also admire a serial killer who has killed only 10 people instead of 10,000?
cheers
60 • Novell (by tom2 on 2008-05-13 04:37:32 GMT from United States)
OpenSUSE 10.3 worked well enough but not extraordinarily well on my particular hardware. There are other options that work a little better for me. Since there definitely are alternatives, why should I participate in the activity of a company that has shown the inclination to work with MS, which has stated its opposition to Linux and to Open Source software?
Most of us don't know, with certainty, enough about the ramifications of Novell's decision (to work with MS) to support Novell management. We do know that a judge said that MS executives had "proved, time and time again, to be inaccurate, misleading, evasive, and transparently false. ... Microsoft is a company with an institutional disdain for both the truth and for rules of law that lesser entities must respect."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
And we know that Novell management has chosen to work with such people.
61 • excellent DistroWatch (by tom2 on 2008-05-13 04:42:09 GMT from United States)
Most importantly...
This was an excellent DistroWatch! Thanks for the informative comments and opinions about Fedora.
62 • Re: 56 • novell&m$&suse (by Anon. on 2008-05-13 05:51:10 GMT from Norway)
hab wrote: "If there is one thing i've learned in my almost 60 years on this planet it is that if you want to figure out what people (and companies, owned and staffed by people, BTW) WILL do, all you need to do is look at what they HAVE done!"
Well, I have been on this planet for *more* than 60 years and my experience tallies with yours. Microsoft has been convicted in the USA *and* the EU. The rulings are not for trivial transgressions, but for gross criminal breaches of fundamental principles and rules.
Novell still elected to cooperate with Microsoft. In my opinion, people who choose to have anything to do with Novell and/or its partners/community are enemies of open software. Simple as that.
63 • MS, Novell, and suse Q (by Johnny Bench on 2008-05-13 06:35:13 GMT from United States)
Those here that keep defending MS and/or Novell are most likely MS trolls. They are being bought AND paid for by MS to propagate lies against the free enterprise and Linux in general. Your not fooling anyone, least of all, the general public. Just pack your bags and go back to Redmond. Your gig is up, your face has been revealed.
64 • Qu 63 : Where can they find the cash? (by dbrion on 2008-05-13 06:54:50 GMT from France)
"Those here that keep defending MS and/or Novell are most likely MS trolls. They are being bought AND paid for by MS to"
One of my friends uses O Suze...
Should we remain friends?
Anyway, I would be glad to indicate him/her wher (s)he can be paid.
Other question : If your brother A marries a girl B whose
...
whose grand father
Z was a mafioso and had shares in M$, can you go on shaking hands with him?
65 • Innovation has a cost (by technosaurus at 2008-05-13 06:58:40 GMT from United States)
I don't particularly like the cable company but because of where I live, I have to do business with them in order to have "high speed" internet. We cannot forget that (Suse/Novell...) is a corporation that has a business to run and dealing with M$ is part of their cost of doing business where they are at in the market. Novell, Suse, Mandriva, Ubuntu and other major players have contributed immensely to GNU/Linux underpinnings in a way that only large enterprises can - continuously improving the basis for the smaller Mint and PCLOS style distros to improve upon in ways that these corporate entities cannot justify due to the possibility of legal/financial consequences. Herein lies the problem, once these more innovative and polished products gain enough backing to provide the technical support demanded by the market they put themselves at these same risks....Can we ever hit the sweet spot?
66 • re#65 Innovation has a cost (by hab on 2008-05-13 07:51:45 GMT from Canada)
I do not disagree with these observations but the fact is that these contributions are not made altruistically. Each of the companies mentioned are marketing linux based products and/or services and the GPL governs their behavior. If they wish to extend linux to suit their marketing needs, purposes or desires they have NO choice but to contribute back.
I can't help but feel that without the GPL this contribution might probably not be made!
cheers
67 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-05-13 10:46:28 GMT from India)
"Sorry, that's not evidence. There's no evidence that anyone's actually being hurt. Microsoft says a lot of things. Big deal."
In this Novell is support them which is clearly a big deal and going against vendors like Red Hat who have not signed patent deals devised to attack the community. It has clearly hurt the community right after the SCO saga. Otherwise there wouldnt so much discussions about this. Novell is the new SCO
68 • to all suse users (by Anonymous on 2008-05-13 11:45:42 GMT from Canada)
Novell is a Trojan horse in Linux community.
If you are using Suse, that's fine but at least have the decency not to advertise that. Keep a low profile please.
69 • fedora (by Jonabyte on 2008-05-13 12:14:42 GMT from Canada)
I try to use the one previous to the newest version of Fedora, which is my hope that the bugs will be worked out.
Time for me to try version 8!
70 • fedora, Ubuntu, etc.. (by flojlg on 2008-05-13 12:24:48 GMT from France)
further having some troubles with Ubuntu I was looking for a new distrib .
My new choice came to fedora (by the way the livna repo are open, just changed 8.93 to 9 in yum repos) after some others trials.
The purpose of my post is that it appears to me that, except some geek technical point, all the distro I've tried seems to look all of the same.
All right it's a matter of maturity, and all these distro are very professionals piece of art.
But doing so I don't see much difference between all these polished distros, where I could say "that one is "THE one!"
Does yum update rather different than apt-get update? and quid of the Desktop, or the install with live-cd....?
So please Mrs the Linux Gods give me back a distro with a bit of madness, and where pleasure, remember us the romanticism of good old time, when discovering a distro was (with the headaches) a great moment of excitement.
71 • Well (by Jocelyn on 2008-05-13 14:18:28 GMT from France)
#70, Don't you like the fact that every 'big' distro are more and more looking and feeling the same ? That's because they use similar package managers (or with similar functionality), the same daemons and GUIs, and freedesktop.org interoperability guidelines. Such a smoothing in differences brings consistency and is actually what could make sysadmins and/or desktop users move to Linux.
About Novell, they're dealing with evil, all right.
BUT they contribute MUCH to the Linux kernel code (second company contributing after Red Hat), they contribute MUCH to KDE4 (yeah, I'm a KDE user), and their openSUSE distro is great.
Also remember that the European Union Microsoft competition case started with a complaint from Novell in 1993. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_antitrust_case)
P.S : I'm not getting paid by Microsoft, nor by Novell ;-)
72 • RE 70 The artwork is about the same for every major distro. (by dbrion on 2008-05-13 14:28:22 GMT from France)
And perhaps this makes them unexciting (functionalities remain about the same, differences lying in policies...) ..
.I see two potential origins of this rather uniform artwork, which are not logically exclusive:
a) the artists are of the same age, culture and tastes. This might be enforced by votes, leading to conformism (but high tech one, of couse)..
b) As transparency becomes fashionable, desktops backgrounds become more and more monochrome (else, one could not read a text, nor a syntax-high-lighted program). If it is the main explanation, perhaps distrs oriented towards old PCs would be more original....
73 • @71 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-13 14:36:45 GMT from Canada)
There are others that contribute MUCH MORE to the Linux kernel but do not collaborate with Microsoft. Does RedHat ring a bell?
74 • Divide and Conquer Linux... (by FreeTibet on 2008-05-13 15:34:35 GMT from Canada)
Hi All,
The oldest battle strategy is being played out in the Linux world. It is "Divide & Conquer", and we are buying into it by playing the game. We are in a Cold War, in regards to the freedom to create, run, and share Linux software, and between those who would have all software patented and be proprietary code.
We are winning, and they are scared! That is why they are trying to divide our common purpose, and create an atmosphere of animosity, distrust, and fear. They have billions of dollars at stake, and we have our dignity, freedom, and our God given rights at stake.
Linux is the Best there is out there, and it is time we celebrate our gift to each other. It is only going to get better, if we stay on course, and don't allow them to win the war.
Peace,
FreeTibet
75 • @71 & 72 (by flojlg on 2008-05-13 16:07:54 GMT from France)
On my mind it's not to attck all the work done; even by evils; and we may admit the fantastic steps done by the dev-team.
Unfortunately I remark as well, and I can see I am not the only one (it remain me an old song...) That all the work done is a bit too much for the uniformity.
On a basis even with strong roots we may find a way to get (or regain) a bit of the "fun" we had in a near past.
If that (r)evolution cannot be done my guess is that we will, become as boring as others system (no-name) with one type of interface, one type of behaviour, with the aim to only exist.
It is just a question of identity and mabe I'm wrong but .....
76 • Debian & openssl (by dooooo on 2008-05-13 16:12:56 GMT from Jordan)
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77 • Debian & openssl 2 (by dooooo on 2008-05-13 16:26:59 GMT from Jordan)
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78 • OpenSUSE, Novell, and you (by Justin Whitaker on 2008-05-13 18:24:18 GMT from United States)
I stand by my Novell/SUSE comments.
Take a look at this list:
http://www.novell.com/company/affiliations/
Novell is involved in coding, testing, and/or supporting everything on that list. Some of that is a result of the SuSE acquisition, but their participation in Apache, PERL, PHP, etc. predates that.
So here is my question: if you removed Novell from Open Source, where would we be? What would Linux look like?
Now take a look at that list again.
Gnome, KDE, Apache, Perl, PHP, Wine, XEN, AppArmor, Open Office, PostgreSQL, Mozilla, Mono, and MySQL all have received code or monetary support from Novell and their developers.
I reckon that if you really hate Novell, then you shouldn't use any of their code.
Good luck with that.
79 • novell&m$&suse redux (by hab on 2008-05-13 18:33:31 GMT from Canada)
PJ at groklaw has a rather accurate take on the cooperation fiction of m$ et al. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080511115151164
As pointed out in post #74 a divide and conquer strategy is being attempted.
Go ahead, drink the kool aid! It's good for you!
If you lie down with (mangy) dogs, you will wake up with fleas! Or worse!
cheers
80 • Question to the editor (by Hans de Goede on 2008-05-13 18:44:51 GMT from Netherlands)
Hi,
I'm a Fedora developer, thanks for the fair review. One question though, have you reported the issues you've had in our bug tracker?
* no sqlite support in php
* Liferea failing on 64 bit
* gFTP failing on 64 bit
If you didn't please report them, its _very_ important for us to know about any problems people have, and to have this registered in our tracker:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora
When you do file bugs for these please put my email address in the CC, then I'll try and see what I can do about fixing these issues.
Regards,
Hans
81 • @78 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-13 18:47:13 GMT from India)
No. Novell might have contributed some code. Clearly Red Hat is still the leader in several places including the Linux kernel where they have contributed way more than anybody else. That doesn't justify Novell's patent deal that was and is damaging to the community.
82 • @ 78 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-13 18:54:43 GMT from Canada)
Why does Mono exist in the first place?
Who the hell needs C#?
Who the hell needs dll files on his machine?
83 • re#78 (by hab on 2008-05-13 19:01:39 GMT from Canada)
Ok, so we should admire novell for buying a few nice outfits for the kid, and all the while they are busy knifing the baby! WTF?
cheers
84 • @66 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-05-13 20:43:48 GMT from Canada)
Not everything in a typical Linux distribution is under the GPL. A lot of stuff is under the BSD, X11 or similar licenses that do not require changes be released under a compatible license. Even so, we (Mandriva) and the other major distributions still contribute our changes to BSD-licensed software back into the mainstream. Even with the GPL, you can take many different approaches. You can take the typical commercial company minimal compliance approach - dump a tarball of the original code plus a single gigantic dump of your changes onto an obscure part of your website, then never mention it again. No major Linux distributor does this; we all take considerable pains to make sure our changes are easily accessible to others, by making them prominent, digestible, using revision control and so forth. So I think you need to give a little more credit to distributors than just mouthing the "they only do it because the GPL makes them" argument.
85 • FC9 and Realtek wifi drivers (by Jerry on 2008-05-13 21:08:11 GMT from United States)
I've been googling around and can only find reference to older drivers.. this laptop has RTL8187b; I am wondering if FC9 is a distro, unlike many others so far, that has drivers for that.
Thanx if you know and post.. :)
86 • re#84 (by hab on 2008-05-13 21:16:13 GMT from Canada)
Adam
If you reread my post that you referenced, i specifically mention linux (the kernel) and it IS GPL'ed.
It is admirable that mandriva and others contribute back work done on other projects, under other licenses but that in no way negates or minimizes the fact that the GPL governs behavior vis a vis the linux kernel.
It is perhaps over simplistic to say "the GPL made them do it", but over simplification does not negate the truth of it.
cheers
87 • Fedora 9 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-13 23:54:06 GMT from United States)
Just downloaded from mirrors both the Gnome and KDE live CDs and they both are good and stable on 2ghz computers with 512mb of ram. Forget about it on anything else slower. I tried a PIII 650mhz with 256mb of memory and after 90 minutes I'm still waiting to finish booting. I'll wait for the xfce spin for that one. That machine didn't like xbuntu either. Ubuntu got a gnome error no gnome error on Fedora 9 gnome edition .
88 • @86 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-05-13 23:58:45 GMT from Canada)
You didn't specifically mention the kernel. You said "Each of the companies mentioned are marketing linux based products and/or services". The term is, of course, ambiguous, but it's more commonly used to refer to an entire Linux kernel-based OS rather than just the kernel itself, these days. And you were replying to a post which discussed "GNU/Linux underpinnings": explicitly the whole system, not just the kernel.
89 • No subject (by someone on 2008-05-14 00:01:01 GMT from Aruba)
@#5: indeed. I'm more and more disappointed every day in *buntu. It seems they get slower and more bloated with every update. I guess it's time for a new distro...
@40: why? That is just a ridiculous comment. Why would you want to boycott a very capable distro made by fellow Open Source volunteers just because you don't agree with their ideals? Are you insane? It's people like you who give us Linux users a bad name.
90 • Fedora 9 has xserver 1.4.99 and not X.Org Server 1.5 (by Kamalakar on 2008-05-14 05:30:55 GMT from India)
Hi,
The final Fedora 9 has come with xserver 1.4.99 and not X.Org Server 1.5 as stated above.
Kamalakar
91 • QU 89 Do cars have gears only to go forwards? (by dbrion on 2008-05-14 06:13:46 GMT from France)
"I'm more and more disappointed every day in *buntu. It seems they get slower and more bloated with every update"
Perhaps it would need a DOWNdate....
"
I guess it's time for a new distro.
"
Or, rather, for an *older* one....
It is a good thing software makers do not build cars....
92 • @91 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-05-14 06:35:55 GMT from Canada)
Well, yeah, of course it is. If they did, we'd have no software, and even *more* cars that we don't really need. :)
93 • RE 91 If one does not need a car, one can put it in a garage (by dbrion on 2008-05-14 06:55:43 GMT from France)
backwards _and_ forwards.
But software makers do only "up"grades....(the latest and buggiest)...
94 • Re:89 • No subject (by someone on 2008-05-14 00:01:01 GMT from Aruba) (by Rudy on 2008-05-14 11:28:30 GMT from United States)
OpenSUSE (SuSE) = IMO Trojan Horse (not a software)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Horse
Read a history about M$. How many good appliations, companies they bought and there are no applications and there are no companies anymore.
95 • qu 94 Does providing a ~3000 year lold IT link prove anything? (by dbrion on 2008-05-14 12:00:09 GMT from France)
FYI there is a difference between a rational proof and claiming in 100(0+) posts.... I can write (or better , have it automagically written) 1E20 times the sun is green....it wonot convince anyone.....(not even me)....
96 • Crazytown (by Eddie Wilson on 2008-05-14 14:54:23 GMT from United States)
Reading this comment section is better than watching soap operas on tv.
97 • Soap operas? (by Jerry on 2008-05-14 16:35:26 GMT from United States)
You watch soap operas? You have such an uderstanding of them that you deem this area "better?"
LOL.. ..
Good for you, Eddie.
So, do soap opera watchers have any other opinions about the world of linux and linux communities? :)
98 • Interesting.. (by Budda Magoo on 2008-05-14 17:58:58 GMT from United States)
I find it extremely interesting that after the announcement of any major distribution release, there's always this flurry of announcements from various little piss-ant projects that want to grab some headline glory. It's almost laughable sometimes.
99 • RE: 96 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-14 18:38:50 GMT from United States)
I agree, its always entertaining isn't it?
This week on As The Distro Turns...
100 • Ha ha (by Jerry on 2008-05-14 19:53:51 GMT from United States)
Hey, that's 2 (count 'em, two) soap opera watchers checking in so far today.
Ah.. America.
101 • Fedora (by BlueJayofEvil on 2008-05-14 21:01:45 GMT from United States)
I'm liking the new Fedora. But one problem I came into right away was my nVidia GeForce 8600 GTS card didn't like the new xorg so I had to revert to using my integrated Intel graphics chipset. Hopefully the nv driver will be updated soon to fix this. Also, I like the feature that allows the background to change depending on the time of day. Mandriva 2008.1 Spring also had this feature. After doing a little digging, I discovered this is accomplished by the use of an XML file. Perhaps more distro's will be trying this out in the near future?
102 • Rescue CD's (by Edward Salis on 2008-05-15 01:00:49 GMT from United States)
Any Slax user here? I use to be until I discovered Puppy. I have switch over. Puppy is more like a big distro than a minicd.
103 • Suse (by Mike Cowgar on 2008-05-15 01:05:32 GMT from United States)
I can't get suse installed using dual-core.
Grub keeps giving error #17
104 • Linux and TT Fonts (by Sam Williams on 2008-05-15 01:16:30 GMT from United States)
Has anyone installed True Type fonts in Linux? That's the area I really miss about Windows. Viewing is much better. I thought Mandriva at first was using them, but later realized it's the same old story.
105 • Fedora 9 (by digger on 2008-05-15 01:47:38 GMT from United States)
Very smooth, at least on the 64 bit "Live" CD. ALthough I've been a Debian user for years now, it is time to consider Fedora 9 as a viable alternative. Other versions of Fedora I tried, I either could not connect to the internet or I just couldn't get X to work no matter what I tried, something I've always been able to fix on Debian. Xorg is not even an issue for Fedora 9 on this hardware: AMD64@2.2GHz (one core) 4G ddr2, [PoS] ATI xpress graphics (just hold your nose, I'm not crazy about it, either :-)
Color me impressed. My hat's off to the Fedora 9 folks! Or would be, if I wore one.... OTOH, there could be a Fedora in my future. Think I'll back everything up now....
106 • Re 104 @ 105----> DW Comments IS NOT a Linux Support Forum (by Google is your friend! on 2008-05-15 01:48:57 GMT from Australia)
As far as I am aware.
You can find links to various support fora at following location (amongst many others):
http://distfrowatch.com/novell
http://distrowatch.com/suse
http://distrowatch.com/mandriva
FYI: TT Fonts are available and can easily be installed in various Linux distros. If you are dual booting with MS Windows, Mandriva makes it very easy to do with a special tool just for this job in MCC.
Cheers
107 • typo correction for link @ 106 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-15 01:54:17 GMT from Australia)
http://distrowatch.com/novell
108 • And 106 is re 103 and 104 (sorry 105) (by Anonymous on 2008-05-15 01:56:53 GMT from Australia)
My apologies to DW readers.
109 • ref105 Fedora (by Someone on 2008-05-15 02:38:28 GMT from United States)
I read the article about KDE4 having a smaller footprint, and lighter on resources than KDE3. That amazes me. I keep hearing complaints about KDE4. I's starting to wonder if those that complain really know what their saying or are just repeating what they hear.
I use I like Fedora, years ago. I to am a Debian user. I will have to try it out, although someone reported you need a very powerful processor to boot it.
Doesn't Fedora default to ReiserFS? I don't like that FS. I prefer ext3...wait a minute don't they now support ext4 or will?!
110 • @104 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-05-15 05:33:22 GMT from Canada)
All modern distros use TrueType fonts by default. Maybe what you're asking is based on a misconception. Could you explain in more detail exactly what it is you think current distros are lacking in terms of fonts?
111 • Fedora 9 (by Verndog on 2008-05-15 06:31:54 GMT from United States)
I just finished installing Fedora 9. I have not had much time to test it. I was busy editing grub to add back ubuntu back into the fold.
One thing I'm impressed with, is it's shear speed on installation! I was prepared to have an hour install from what some guy up above noted. It all installed in about 20 minutes or less! First I thought this is one of those intermediaries install. where you get a partial install until you boot up. This was not the case.
A couple of odd things I noticed. In order to 'fdisk', I needed to supply the path '/sbin/fdisk -l' . Of course I needed to be root to do that. Also just in passing the pointer with the circle of blue reminds me of Mandriva/PCLOS pointer.
It does seem very fast. Of course I will have to add a ton of codecs in order to get my DVD video viewing and MP3 music .
playing.
I guess I will have to find one of those special repos in order to do that. I live in the US of A. They frown on playing your own DVD movies :)
112 • RE: 111 - Livna is the best choice (by KimTjik on 2008-05-15 08:49:17 GMT from Sweden)
Livna has repository-package ready for Fedora 9: http://rpm.livna.org/rlowiki/
In will though present itself as Fusion repositories in for example yumex (in view of an ongoing merge); you get free and non-free. Adobe flash-plugin is on the other hand installed directectly through Adobe's RPM-package (actually it adds a repository entry so it'll also get updated automatically).
DVDs: for some reason the only good choice for Fedora is Xine. I don't know why, but for some reason I haven't been able to get the other players to pick up the necessary codecs. Xine + libdvdcss on the other hand works like a charm.
Just in case someone not familiar with Fedora give it a spin: for a GUI package manager Yumex is a good choice (it's updated several times and the layout is far better then it was just 2 years ago); just become root and then "yum install yumex". Nothing new and it has been mentioned before, but still it could save someone time.
113 • Qu 111 Whas it "an hour install " or an hour upgrade? (by dbrion on 2008-05-15 09:02:54 GMT from France)
"Up"grades are slower than installs, messeems, as things are to be removed/replaced by younger ones, and detected whether that replacement is needed.... Install is "just" un ((t)aring/uncpioing and putting in the right place, on a free part of the disk.
20 min install is not that tremendous (for Mandrivas, I bet that one of myfriend will take less than 15 minutes ... on new HW, and he is accostumed....). Perhaps the time one really spends (indicates whether menus are complicated ... or whether one is slow) would be more relevant, or the time one has to wait between two interactions (I prefer PCBSD inteactions : everything is done at the beginning, and then one can go fardening, etc .. till is finishes)...
114 • php-sqlite (by Gianluca Sforna on 2008-05-15 10:12:18 GMT from Italy)
See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=148960 for why sqlite (2) support is not enabled.
It seems sqlite 3 support is provided by package php-pdo
115 • Re:111 & 112 (by Anon on 2008-05-15 11:49:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
A couple of odd things I noticed. In order to 'fdisk', I needed to supply the path '/sbin/fdisk -l' . Of course I needed to be root to do that.
When logging in as root you need to do "su -" and not "su"
Just in case someone not familiar with Fedora give it a spin: for a GUI package manager Yumex is a good choice
Alternatively you could just use pirut which is installed by default, it's labelled "add/remove software" in the menu's.
116 • RE: 115 - Pirut vs. Yumex (by KimTjik on 2008-05-15 12:19:16 GMT from Sweden)
Frankly, Pirut is still a bit awkward to use. Without any hesitation I view Yumex as superior, and I believe a new user will find it easier to get a good overview. But OK, it's just my opinion.
117 • Re 116 (by Anon on 2008-05-15 13:26:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
Strange, if anything I have found Pirut to have a much simpler interface than Yumex, and found that to be a more attractive to the end user. Similarly I didn't like the way Yumex constantly refreshed the repodata.
However I failed point out earlier that Pirut is replaced by PackageKit in F9, I haven't used it for anything other updates, but from what I have experienced there have been some great improvements made.
118 • Fedora filesystem (#109) (by herman on 2008-05-15 14:34:09 GMT from Netherlands)
> "Doesn't Fedora default to ReiserFS? I don't like that FS. I prefer ext3...wait a minute don't they now support ext4 or will?!"
It defaults to ext3. It has done so for years.
They now support ext4.
Reiser used to be Suse's default.
119 • "Linux Fanatics" :O) (by Jerry on 2008-05-15 15:07:58 GMT from United States)
Does anybody here want to take a breather from the "debating" going on here and take a look at a website (linked by Portal of Evil of all places) dedicated to "..crazy linux advocates and their wallpapers?"
I am in no way connected to the POE site or this one:
http://jimwalls.netfirms.com/wallppr01.html
120 • RE: 114 php-sqlite (by ladislav on 2008-05-15 16:15:18 GMT from Taiwan)
Yes, I've seen that. Now if somebody can also write a tutorial on how to make pdo-sqlite display a PHP-SQLite web site, I'd be very grateful (I did Google around, but found nothing and it certainly doesn't work out of the box).
121 • Re: 89 - About ideals... (by Anon. on 2008-05-15 21:40:56 GMT from Norway)
someone wrote: "@40: why? That is just a ridiculous comment. Why would you want to boycott a very capable distro made by fellow Open Source volunteers just because you don't agree with their ideals? Are you insane? It's people like you who give us Linux users a bad name."
Linux users don't have a bad name. On the contrary, they are broadly perceived as being more competent than the average computer user. Disagreements and (heated) discussions about goals and ideals are signs of good health and integrity. It can only be seen as negative by the uninformed. I.e. by people who are uninformed of the value of disagreement/discussions *and* computers.
Besides, and given a choice, ideals should of course be part of the decision of which platform and distro to choose. There is no ethics-free zone, so we are all best off trying to make an informed choice.
122 • re#121 About ideals (by hab on 2008-05-15 22:27:20 GMT from Canada)
Exactly right anon!
I do not bash distros, but i do reserve the right to refuse to use software, or any other product for that matter that i believe to originate from a source that functions in an unethical or socially irresponsible manner.
In the case of novell/suse, novell may meet the letter of the GPL but it has chosen to violate the spirit of the GPL. The GNU addressed this with language in GPL v3.
Being as i don't distro bash why and how am i wrong in not wanting to have anything to do with suse. If and when suse is no longer a part of novell i will look at it again.
cheers
123 • Why are you so worried... (by Ultra on 2008-05-16 00:21:52 GMT from Canada)
If Linux is so great, then why are you so worried about a MS/Novell deal? Do you think MS will somehow own Linux 5 years from now? Will the deal cause a catastrophic collapse of the Linux world? If Linux is so good, then regardless of some deal between those two, it will prosper. It's like the whole AC vs DC battle at the end of the 19th century. Edison was like the Microsoft of electricity and Westinghouse/Tesla were GNU/Linux...lol. Edison tried spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt regarding AC, but ultimately to no end. Westinghouse/Tesla and AC current won because it was technically superior.
124 • fedora 9 (by bcmoore87 at 2008-05-16 01:52:51 GMT from United States)
I started using Fedora with version 7. I currently have a home network with four fedora machines and one work Fedora machine, in addition to one RHEL5 machine. After installing Fedora 9, I'm not clear if I like it better than Fedora 8. The black toolbar in KDE4 is very hard to get used to. Additionally, I miss having six-eight tabs in konsole open at login, and I miss kedit. After working on customizations for much of the morning (trying to lighten up (color) the appearance), I was very happy to get back on my RHEL5, KDE3.5 machine. KDE4 may be the future, but I'm not sure I'm ready yet.
125 • what if... (by ml at 2008-05-16 02:01:38 GMT from United States)
If we can learn anything from alien invasion movies (WARNING: SPOILERS!)...
independence day -> shoot the ships all you want you have to get them from inside (either from where they shoot that laser or with a computer virus at the mothership)
war of the worlds -> again external attacks do nothing but an internal biological virus takes them down
maybe other examples as well but that's all i can think of...
it should be obvious that the Novel/MS deal only spells the end of MS. I mean seriously, in this analogy, who is the aggressive, destroyer of life? MS or Novel? and second, who is more susceptible to a virus? MS or Novel?
Boycott Novel? Ha! Novel is inside the armor. It's only a matter of time!
126 • Serious security issues for 2 years in Debian/Ubuntu (by Food for thought on 2008-05-16 02:52:46 GMT from Australia)
"...For almost two years the OpenSSL library used by Linux distribution Debian has been generating useless cryptographic keys — although Debian has issued a patch, experts warn that systems may still be exposed.
On Tuesday, the Debian project admitted that security expert Luciano Bello had discovered that an update to Debian's OpenSSL package in 2006 weakened the system's Random Number Generator, making SSH and SSL encryption and authentication — used to secure communications for applications such as Internet banking — useless...."
http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html
http://www.builderau.com.au/news/
127 • Knoppix 5.3.1 ? (by DG on 2008-05-16 07:30:44 GMT from Netherlands)
A colleague suggested I use his Knoppix discs to diagnose possible hardware problems with an HP Pavilion T3160 currently running Windows XP, and first went to check whether there was a newer Knoppix that 5.1.0. He discovered 5.3.1, but when he went to the download mirrors, the files appear to be zero length.
Is this a known problem?
128 • RE: 127 Knoppix 5.3.1 (by ladislav on 2008-05-16 07:49:25 GMT from Taiwan)
Don't believe everything people tell you. Here is a perfectly fine 4.1GB KNOPPIX 5.3.1 DVD, available from a mirror in the Netherlands:
ftp://ftp.knoppix.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/knoppix/DVD/KNOPPIX_V5.3.1DVD-2008-03-26-EN.iso
Have fun!
129 • Fedora 9 and other distros (by Tobias on 2008-05-16 10:06:57 GMT from Germany)
Fedora 9 is the best Linux that I have ever installed...they made it very well......but why it has simple bugs?and it is a problem in all other distros...
add/remove software in Fedora 9 has many bugs even after updates bug fixes!!....is there any product manager there?...bugs are common but not this bugs...
130 • Re: 128 Knoppix 5.3.1 ? (by DG on 2008-05-16 12:22:16 GMT from Netherlands)
Thanks for the link, Ladislav. My colleague is downloading it now to replace the 5.1.1 CD that I'm going to steal^H^H^H^H^Hborrow from him.
He also suggested I try the diagnostic tools from http://www.ultimatebootcd.com
131 • Re: #129 - Fedora 9 and other distros (by Ariszló on 2008-05-16 14:44:18 GMT from Hungary)
yum install yumex
132 • rPath (by verndog on 2008-05-16 14:53:05 GMT from United States)
I read the info on rPath and still don't know actually what it is. Anyone here ever use it?
Also 4.1GB for Knoppix! I thought that was suppose to be a minicd.
For fixing stuff I perfer Puppy minicd. It's just 80mb or so.
133 • @ #132 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-16 20:41:59 GMT from United States)
rPath is a system used to build Linux based software appliances such as LAMP servers, NAS boxes and firewalls. Their website can tell you much more.
http://www.rpath.com/corp/
134 • Qu 132 Is the ability of "fixing things" linked with the size? (by dbrion on 2008-05-17 09:25:35 GMT from France)
"For fixing stuff I perfer Puppy minicd. It's just 80mb or so."
Well... I suppose a floppy disk distr would be much better, then....
Knoppix offers much more (toys, docs, compilers, kedu, among many others) than "fixing stuff" => it is therefore more space consuming..
135 • Firefox 3 on Mandriva 2008.1? yes, thanks to the MIB (by Killer1987 on 2008-05-17 13:10:43 GMT from Italy)
http://mib.pianetalinux.org/miblight/2008/05/15/mozilla-firefox-30final/?lan=english
Good Download!
bye
Marcello
136 • @135 (by Anonymous on 2008-05-17 13:18:06 GMT from United States)
I'd wait for now, Firefox 3 HAS NOT been officially released yet and is NOT final as that URL would suggest. It has just entered RC1 stage so I'd be weary of someone claiming to have the non existent final release.
137 • Re: 123 - Worry (by Anon. on 2008-05-18 05:18:47 GMT from Norway)
Ultra wrote: "If Linux is so great, then why are you so worried about a MS/Novell deal? Do you think MS will somehow own Linux 5 years from now? Will the deal cause a catastrophic collapse of the Linux world? If Linux is so good, then regardless of some deal between those two, it will prosper. It's like the whole AC vs DC battle at the end of the 19th century. Edison was like the Microsoft of electricity and Westinghouse/Tesla were GNU/Linux...lol. Edison tried spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt regarding AC, but ultimately to no end. Westinghouse/Tesla and AC current won because it was technically superior."
I am not "so worried", and your example is false, in that DC vs. AC was/is a competition between two different technolgies, not between different implementations of the same, although both are based on electricity. Open vs. closed software is an entirely different thing. Closed software is an effort to avoid implementational transparency and thus *reduce* the competition on merits, leaving the "competition" to factors/areas like advertizing, installed base, cooperating partners etc.
As often as not, the lesser quality technical solution is winning over the better. We saw it with video cameras and IBM's OS/2 operating system. Many, many more examples can be cited. It is a myth, although among the uninformed, that technical quality will always come out as the winner in the end. Technical merit is but one minor factor in today's complex markets.
@125 by ml: A very optimistic possibility. Hope you are right! :)
138 • Latest Greatest (by RollMeAway on 2008-05-18 18:44:17 GMT from United States)
Fedora 9 and SUSE 11.0 Beta use the latest Xorg beta. Nvidia drivers don't work yet.
Firefox 3+ beta does not support most of the addons I use.
So, having the 'Latest Greatest' isn't so great, when you loose functions and capabilities.
Upgraders beware.
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