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1 • No subject (by Coffee on 2008-03-24 11:05:02 GMT from France) |
I have installed the new Ubuntu 8.04 Beta yesterday. It works very well and doesn't feel at all like a beta version. Except for an occasional Firefox freeze (which many people have reported) the whole system feels solid and robust. The Gnome desktop also seems to be a little more snappy than the slightly sluggish implementation in 7.10. The new 'Hardy Heron' wallpaper is just beautiful, I love it. If you're interested, you can download it here ...
2 • sidux rocks (by wegface on 2008-03-24 11:27:34 GMT from United Kingdom)
A great sidux piece on d/w at last, thankyou.
3 • sidux (by knifemonkey on 2008-03-24 11:46:44 GMT from New Zealand)
knowledge is power :)
if you like power and knowledge then you will like sidux, trust me. It has got to be -the- most brilliant OS EVER. In every respect.
The very latest kernel is good, but how about the very latest kernel with the best compilation of driver and module support? What do you get, a really, really fast system with instant support for more hardware than anything else. So it's a good start so far is it not?
debian effectively supports more architectures than any other computer system.
THEN take the entire debian repository, it's massive, we all know that,,, and have complete access to the VERY LATEST workable packages, that's right, the most modern software for your computer from the infaliable debian repositories across the world.
Then what: Sidux... supplimented and strengthened by a community of developers, testers and helpers which stretch the world over, true masters of code and thought and contributors, have come together to take Debian and make it into something which is friendly, usable, scaleable, customisable, clean, comprehensive, easy to install, comes with the best apps included, it's just BRILLIANT! PURE GENIUS.
from the kernel to debian to sid to sidux, you have a project which is driven by TRUE vision: to make linux the best it can be. you have the best operating system ever devised. and it keeps getting better :)
thousands apon thousands of people are ultimately working together every day. this IS THE pinnacle of software technology for your computer. after so long, so very very long i've tried various systems. and I, like my clients, know that we are using the best.
I hope that you can join us :)
peace, and respect.
-knifemonkey -aka 'wade'
4 • Debian Testing (by Caraibes on 2008-03-24 11:50:42 GMT from Dominican Republic)
As we have been talking about Debian (with Sidux), let me comment that I am (so far) very satisfied with my Debian Testing install (from a netinst iso) on my main box (i686 desktop).
The whole idea is to "kick its tires" and see if I can run this "rolling release" without any major show-stopper...
-Can I really go thru the distro universe & history without re-installing ? (that is if I can master that distro fever...)
Time will tell...
5 • sidux (by knifemonkey on 2008-03-24 11:55:09 GMT from New Zealand)
oh btw? you can get the latest here:
don't forget to join the irc chat room for support! (icon on your desktop)
yes that's right, actual support from another human being, please be patient and have respect for others inside the room, together we can make the world a better place...
peace, and respect
-knifemonkey -aka 'wade'
6 • No subject (by she on 2008-03-24 11:58:36 GMT from Austria)
I am not really liking debian much - i am not disliking it much either,
but actually ONE huge advantage sidux has is that it has smart devs.
Contrast this to gentoo - gentoo has a big number of smart devs too, but it has grown to become kinda huge and sometimes elitist. I think debian, run by techie-devs, is much better there.
7 • Sidux vs Kubuntu (by lefty.crupps on 2008-03-24 12:23:38 GMT from United States)
After a few years with Kubuntu, I think I'm beginning to really miss Debian on my home system. Kubuntu is nice but just not 'there' yet. I've been looking for a great KDE based, Debian based OS, and sidux may just be it.
8 • sidux vs. Kubuntu (by arno911 on 2008-03-24 12:35:54 GMT from Germany)
many (ex-)Kubuntu users found their new home at sidux. In sidux, KDE isnt second choice. it works, and it keeps working after an upgrade.
Gnome lovers should use Ubuntu, that at least works (most of the time)
One thing I always wanted to say:
What does Ubuntu actually have to do with debian, if I install such a ".undeb" package on a real debian it most probably will break it. Can someone please rename all Ubuntu .debs to undeb to make the difference more clear?
9 • No subject (by sick of ubuntu on 2008-03-24 12:38:57 GMT from United States)
[quote]With the beta release of "Hardy Heron" last week, Ubuntu has finally regained its top spot in DistroWatch's Page Hit Ranking statistics for the default six-month view.[/quote]
It's obvious this site's author is an ubuntu fanboy. I am sick of hearing about that piece of crap excuse for a linux distribution.
10 • Re #3 Sidux (by Glenn on 2008-03-24 12:40:51 GMT from Canada)
Wow! With a testimonial like that I'm certainly inspired to try it out. (grin).
I'll give it a whack this week sometime. Sounds good to me.
11 • Sidux (by digger on 2008-03-24 12:41:43 GMT from United States)
Started useing it ear,ly last year with the Tartaros re,lease. Haven't stpooed. No reason to change, many to stay.
12 • Arch Linux, ready to release. (by Kensai on 2008-03-24 12:42:22 GMT from Puerto Rico)
In other news, the Arch Linux project is about to release another installation image, http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=45897 there is the announcement of the current testing image, if no problem arises in the testing then this will be released as the final installation image in a few days.
Eduardo "kensai" Romero
13 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-03-24 12:47:07 GMT from United States)
Groups like Fedora that keep pushing their views down users throats, are not helping open source. You are not going to get new users to give up other formats over night. If what they have doesn't work, they will just go back to Windows and Mac. And some of the alternative just suck, like the so called Liberation Fonts. BTW, calling them Liberation Fonts sounds rather childish, don't you think. Almost as bad as PLF. If we're going to convert people, it can't be painful to them. If it is painful, then all this might as well be a hobby, because we won't win them over.
14 • kensai (by knifemonkey on 2008-03-24 12:53:17 GMT from New Zealand)
arch linux is neat. struck me as a sweet alternative to gentoo.
but is arch on this page anywhere? no.
are you just a bot that does a 'in other news: shameless plugin' every new article?
the questions are endless!
15 • Arch (by arno911 on 2008-03-24 13:01:20 GMT from Germany)
Arch is a fine Linux, and nobody needs a special permission to write about it here. :-)
btw I wonder where the PCLOS guys are ...
16 • Thoughts on sidux (by DeepDayze on 2008-03-24 13:03:57 GMT from United States)
Sidux has become my distro of choice for its stability and its ease of installation and maintenance (via the great smxi script). Also its support is sensational, through forums and IRC channel where help's easy to get when issues arise. Long live sidux :)
17 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-03-24 13:09:51 GMT from United States)
Don't get the PCLOS guys started! I got so sick of hearing from them that I threw away my live CD.
18 • Arch --> sidux = eternal bliss (by Eric on 2008-03-24 13:12:39 GMT from Canada)
I've moved from arch to sidux full time way back at Tartarus as well. Arch was my 1st full time Linux install and sidux swept me off my feet, know I have personal experience what I do to my women week after week... only this time the tables have turned on me from the beauty I like to call sidux.
Fully recommended without hesitation, forums are helpful and on-the-money helpful. The IRC channel on freenode is one of the most up-beat and humorous places I visit. Did anyone mention sidux has our own official fangirl?? ;)
Four noobs I've migrated straight from XP has thanked me ever since, no damn way I'd recommend anything else!!
19 • Sidux (by My Linux Page on 2008-03-24 13:14:26 GMT from United States)
Great interview with Chris Hildebrandt. It's great to see the hard work is paying off for Sidux.
20 • 18 (by devil on 2008-03-24 13:18:42 GMT from Germany)
irc channel #sidux is NOT on freenode, but on OFTC.
the live-cd has a preconfigured button tqaking you straight there
21 • Sidux (by William Barath at 2008-03-24 13:22:19 GMT from Canada)
I have been using Linux since '94, starting with Slackware for 4 years, Mandrake for a month, SuSE for 7 years, and then finally tried Debian thanks to Mepis. I spread Debian via SimplyMepis to all my friends who would have it, but used Sarge as soon as that came out and didn't look back until Sidux showed up.
OMG. I had been spoiled by SuSE's brilliant integration and excellent hardware support, but it suffered terribly on my laptop. Etch was stable but a little lacking in features and integration. Sidux worked out of the box, supported everything, even in 64-bit mode. It was faster to boot, faster to run, faster to manage (SuSE pkg management == slow) supported my wireless natively instead with ndiswrapper, even supported various USB dongles that had become defunct with recent kernels, yet Sidux had a more recent kernel. The 3D performance was also much better, even with the same version of the ATI driver. There was 1/2 less memory in use after loading KDE. Suspend to ram took 3 seconds and resume took 4. How this is possible when SuSE has such vastly larger resources boggled my imagination, especially since SuSE listed my laptop as "officially suported." and AFAIK not other Sidux user had the same model.
There have been minor gotchas. I love Synaptic. Ask anyone in Sidux IRC and they will warn warn warn you not to use it. I use it. Some care must be taken when mixing stable/unstable/experimental. But despite rendering KDE dead one time and Kmail another, I was always able to fix it by restoring sane settings to sources.list and running apt-get dist-upgrade. Even when I lost power while the package database was being written (battery is dead.) and I had to copy the backup database over the current one.
If you want the bleeding edge and you don't want to waste time hopping distros all the time to find out what is new, I strongly reccommend Sidux. It will keep you very current, almost never more than a month behind upsteam developers for any major package. There have been some exceptions, such as KDE, GCC, Xorg, these are huge packages with far-reaching effects and so have been introduced much more cautiously. But apps, services, libraries, and portions of KDE have been kept *very* current. So much so that it was impossible for me to look back at SuSE, even if I ignored all the other benefits.
YMMV, of course, and you should also be prepared to use the shell for some minor issues (to get networkmanager working for instance you must comment out your interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces) plus regular dist-upgrades.
Cheers, and enjoy!
22 • SIDUX (by mika hack on 2008-03-24 13:28:22 GMT from Italy)
Finally Sidux under the spot light!!!!
It is the best linux distro!
Try it....You will love it.....
23 • sidux (by jack on 2008-03-24 13:28:31 GMT from Canada)
Can't say that I like the desktop theme; the "spikes" in the foreground look like those things on top of security walls to hurt people tying to get over. Just my subjective opinion.
Speaking of security; some months ago DistroWatch published a list of OSs that showed whether they gave out security notices and also bug tracking info.
Sidux, at that time, gave neither. Has this changed?
One more point; the use of greek(?) names i.e
sidux 2008-02 "Έρεβος" — may 2008
sidux 2008-03 "Ωυρέα" — july 2008
sidux 2008-04 "Πόντος"
is not "user-friendly" to us "ignoranti" that don't know greek
24 • TEENpup (by Fernando Gracia on 2008-03-24 13:30:25 GMT from United States)
I have been using Puppy for a long time, but I find Teenpup 2.14 last year and I it works wonderfully, It focus mainly in multimedia and graphic application, last week I downloaded the 2008 version and it grows a bit with the addition of K Office and everything works fine but I couldn't watch my DVDs so I hope it may be worked out. I am glad that this distro is now listed in Distrowatch so many people may enjoy TEENpup.
25 • 13 (by Anonymous on 2008-03-24 13:32:16 GMT from United States)
I agree completely. I don't understand how a Linux distro could have a goal other than trying to convert Windows users that have no interest in software freedom. Those users are, of course, the only ones that count. All effort should be put towards the goal of reducing Microsoft's profits. There could not possibly be any other reason to put together a Linux distro.
What is really problematic is that Fedora is the only Linux distro available. Things would be different if there were other Linux distros that made it easy for Windows users to install non-free software. That darn Fedora monopoly on Linux gets us every time!
26 • RE:#9 So What? (by Eddie Wilson on 2008-03-24 13:40:57 GMT from United States)
What's it to ya punk? Its none of your business and you wouldn't know a good linux disto if it bit you on the ass so go play with your MS Windows.
27 • 23 • sidux by jack (by anticapitalista on 2008-03-24 13:48:06 GMT from Greece)
Now is the time to learn some Greek jack.
That I believe is also part of the sidux philosophy. Not only do you get an excellent distro, but an education as well.
28 • RE: jacks comments on sidux security (by wegface on 2008-03-24 13:57:40 GMT from United Kingdom)
jack: this issue was fixed same day in sidux- the dw list was widely inaccurate due to the way it was made. Sidux informs its users of issues in different ways.
29 • Kanotix (by Anonymous on 2008-03-24 14:00:26 GMT from Italy)
Kanotix never moved to an Ubuntu base. It moved from Debian Sid to Debian Stable.
KANOTIX 2007 Thorhammer RC7 is considered a "stable" release.
Parsix is based on Debian Testing, but on Kanotix as well.
30 • Sidux vs Ubuntu Distributions (by Free Tibet on 2008-03-24 14:04:23 GMT from Canada)
I have recently tried the newest Sidux along with a few other Linux distro's. I was impressed with the speed of Sidux, but where it and others fell short was in recognizing other operating systems systems out of the box and creating working bootable links in the grub menu. I have a tri-boot system, 1 disk for Linux with 2 primary partitions, 1 for testing and the other for everyday use, and a Windows disk for my wife mainly. I tried to configure grub using the documentation on the Sidux web site but it was out of date, so I tried to do it myself using the old grub menu.lst, the short story is it didn't work. I have been able to get grub to work in other Linux distro's, but not in Sidux. I am not Sidux bashing if anyone out there is offended, other larger older distro's didn't work either, namely Open Suse, Fedora, and other newer distro's including PCLinux, Foresight, and PC-BSD. The only ones that did recognize my partions and create the proper links are the Ubuntu based distro's. I use Mint mainly, and I am testing Kubuntu presently. They both worked flawlessly in creating bootable links in grub. The new Ubuntu does have some surprises for desktop users, it recognized and configured my printer in less than 30 seconds. Keep up the Great Work Ubuntu and Thank You Linux/BSD community for continuing to go farther than any person has gone before.
31 • @30 and a TEENpup (by jollyx on 2008-03-24 14:19:03 GMT from Spain)
#30 Try GAG - a very intelligent bootloader and it is GPL-ed
TEENpup - I've downloaded it after reading about it today and played with it for a while (1 hour) and I am impressed. So many programs and well chosen. A variety of GTK and QT apps for almost every aspect of every day computing. Well done TEENpup team.
32 • sidux (by Adam on 2008-03-24 14:34:40 GMT from Australia)
Very nice to see Chris Hildebrandt and his collegues stand for their fifteen minutes in the sun. A wonderful showing too!
Having tested distro after distro for what sems a very long time now, starting out with Red Hat 9.0, I feel I am finally coming to the end of my days as a distro junkie. After installing so many different creations, I seem to have settled upon three:
At this point I don't have Frugalware installed, because my current ISP doesn't host Frugalware packages or ISOs on their unmetered content mirror. My understanding is that metered content vs unmetered content is an alien concept to much of the First World. In terms of telecommunications infrastructure, Australia's development to date is far below par. But I digress.
Congratulations to the sidux team! I hope your upcoming offering proves as elegant and practical as eros has been!
33 • Fedora 9 - Artwork (by Werewolf on 2008-03-24 14:55:55 GMT from United States)
Is that sulfur or crack rock?
34 • re #32 (by Werewolf on 2008-03-24 15:05:54 GMT from Romania)
Nice selection of distroes (FW no1 for me :D )!
ps: You should try Pardus too (if you haven't tryed it allready!).
and nice DWW!
35 • re #32, #34 (by arno911 on 2008-03-24 15:12:26 GMT from Germany)
sidux arch frugalware puppy absolute AND: grml
and thats only the linuxens :-)
36 • Sidux & TeenPup (by Sigon on 2008-03-24 15:15:07 GMT from United Kingdom)
Nice thing about Sidux is that it's available in 64-bit, too, although that version still needs a little tidying. Fast!
If you like TeenPup, you'll love Happy Linux, another Puppy derivative. Very pleasant and very competent. Even a chance to learn a little Greek....
37 • 30 • Sidux vs Ubuntu Distributions (by Nelly on 2008-03-24 15:23:39 GMT from New Zealand)
moved from windows, got tired of viruses, crashes etc, to ubuntu. it failed completely after a few updates, hunted on the forums for solutions that would only half work or make things worse. got so annoyethat I went back to windows for a while. then my friend came over and chucked sidux onto my pc...
never looked back :)
thanks sidux people for making a linux distrobution that does not suck!
38 • RE #17 (by Anonymous on 2008-03-24 15:25:31 GMT from United States)
At least we made it #17 this week. That distro is on my S$$T list. Since when is a windows share a USB key. It hosed them both.
39 • DistroWatch waiting list (by cahoun on 2008-03-24 15:28:36 GMT from United States)
I couldn't resist downloading the 25mb SliTaz GNU/Linux live CD listed on the waiting list... I enjoy using a light distro like Puppy and DSL in certain situations, and am glad to report that SliTaz will be added to my list. Check it out if you haven't already. . It is really good for such a small distro.
40 • Sidux & TeenPup (by Sigon on 2008-03-24 15:34:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
Comment deleted (repeat post).
41 • 32 (by Anonymous on 2008-03-24 15:42:23 GMT from United States)
Agree about Arch and Frugalware, but can't use Sidux because they don't offer Gnome.
42 • Now it's Sidux's turn... (by RuralRob on 2008-03-24 15:47:31 GMT from United States)
...to creep to the top of the Distrowatch List, to the horror and subsequent vilification by everyone!
(I used to run PCLinuxOS, but after giving Sidux 2007.4 a try, I switched to it on all my machines and haven't looked back. It's the true "distro hopper stopper"!)
43 • KNOPPIX (by relativ on 2008-03-24 15:55:06 GMT from United States)
Knoppix 5.3.1.... are you out there?
I await your arrival like the first day of spring, breaking the frost.
44 • Distrowatch Ubuntu package versions (by Vicki on 2008-03-24 15:55:34 GMT from South Africa)
Thanx for all the linux info on distrowatch. On the distrowatch page for ubuntu, some of the package versions are markded as '--'. Amongst them are the kernel and firefox. Any particular reason for this ?
45 • PC Linux OS (by Dave on 2008-03-24 15:59:49 GMT from United States)
PCLOS should of never been ranked 1. It's a crude hacked down version on Mandriva (Mandrake). All the best features of Mandriva were stripped out of PCLOS. In an effort to strip out the bloat they killed some of the best Mandrake features. The PCLOS Software Repo's nearly always failed because it did not know how to resolve dependency issues very well. PCLOS does not have a critical update notifier, but distros like Sabayon is working hard at putting one in theirs.
Let's face it, It is greed, bad decisions, and security issues that will kill Micr0$haft. A lot of smart people in Open Source have made great decisions pertaining to Linux, thank you very much Open Source men and women. Not much greed in Open Source like in Redmond. So security in Linux hands down beats Billy's stuff but there is still alot of work to be done.
What I disliked about PCLOS was updating it stunk! The desktop is cheesy ( K-apps, etc.) Mandriva wannabee, no update applet (yeah you can use Synaptic), lacks content features and Repo's and dependencies would fail frequently.
PCLOS's only salvation is those Gnome community remasters which addresses most of what I spoke of. Remember, Dell chose Ubuntu as its default Linux desktop after careful consideration and good reasoning. There's are some great distros out there with great gizmos and toys. I tried most of them but came back to Ubuntu for its stability, security and updates, and usability. The documentation is the best in the business alongside Fedora Core's Documentation. When I got in a jam with Ubuntu, I seem to always find a great doc to guide me. I would like to try Flamelix (Brasil). But I see that most of their documentation (Flamelix) and help forums are non-english so I won't be testing that one out despite the great reviews it had.
Try gOS rather than PCLOS. gOS has far better ease of use than PCLOS. gOS has better apps and better desktop experience.
46 • Sidux & TeenPup (by Sigon on 2008-03-24 16:03:54 GMT from United Kingdom)
Comment deleted (repeat post).
47 • triple boot at Popular Science (by jack on 2008-03-24 16:05:05 GMT from Canada)
A long article explaining, in detail, how to install XP andUbuntu on a computer that comes with Vista
It seems most unusual for a "main stream" magazine.
48 • Slackware nearing 12.1 (by joe f. on 2008-03-24 16:14:48 GMT from United States)
The Slackware current changelog included this from (I assume) Patrick Volkerding: "Is this Slackware 12.1 RC 1 yet? It has to be close." I got a new hard drive Friday, so downloaded it and have been using it extensively over the weekend. Had one codec-related Firefox crash, but overall it's been up to the usual Slackware rock-solid standard.
I've been giving Arch a good try the last couple of months, but it will be hard to go back to it after being back in Slackware again.
49 • "Mining DistroWatch.com logs, part 2" - (by Steve J. on 2008-03-24 17:10:02 GMT from United States)
What's the point of this data mining? It seems like this is just another attempt to divide the Linux community rather that bring it together by suggesting that Europeans and Australians are more distro-community focused that Americans. Maybe it would be a better idea to keep such discoveries to yourselves than risk creating more rifts.
50 • Kanotix to Sidux to Ubuntu (by Gary W. on 2008-03-24 17:16:50 GMT from United States)
Well I'd like to give another perspective on Sidux. I made the conversion to Linux with Kanotix. I found it to be fast and stable with adequate support. I enjoyed having the latest and greatest applications. So when Sidux came along I moved to Sidux hoping to continue with Debian Sid as my base. The longer I spent with Sidux, the more broken my OS became and I couldn't get enough support to solve my problems. I was spending more time searching the internet for solutions to the problems. The last straw was when I noticed my network was broken. In my efforts to keep Sidux functional, I had begun to notice that a lot of the solutions to my problems came from the Ubuntu forums. So I decided to try Ubuntu with the release of Feisty. Even the upgrade to Gutsy was pretty uneventful with only an overactive tracker and network manager as issues. I miss having the leading edge applications and the responsiveness of Sidux but the stability of Ubuntu has won me over at least for now with a more pleasurable relaxed experience.
PS: The desktop environment is not an issue. I use IceWM.
51 • sidux (by Paul Bruce on 2008-03-24 17:26:12 GMT from United States)
Sidux had lots of praise, so I tried it. Thrice. It will not display on my nVidia computer. Not even with the "vesa" boot command. On my ATI machine the display is fine. The mouse is basic. (None of the extra buttons work.) I no longer spend time trying to get a distro to recognize my Logitech mice.
I currently use PCLOS, SuSE, and Mint. Mint will be replaced with the new version of Mandriva in a few weeks. All these distros do not require heroics to get a mouse working. And they can usually provide a display on the second try.
For those folks who would like their particular distro to be number one, I would suggest some basic mouse work, and get a display driver that will show SOMETHING.
52 • Ubuntu? Fedora? Who cares - it's still Linux (by Eric Yeoh on 2008-03-24 17:33:38 GMT from Malaysia)
I fail to understand why all the ill will towards Ubuntu. It works on 99% of the hardware I install it on. People are excited over it because it works for them and that makes people happy. We should rejoice that the excitement of people over Linux is unprecedented and like it or not, Ubuntu plays a large role in this.
Fedora has also been more approachable since release 7 but it has never meant to be for the noobs, Greg De Konigsberg said that here (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-February/msg00370.html).
Run your favourite distro, be happy and rejoice in the fact that you are free and no convicted monopolist is telling you what you can and cannot do with your own computer.
No distro is perfect, each has its pros and cons. Perfection is more of a state of mind, else how can you possibly explain why people are still so happy with a insecure, buggy and crash prone platform? Let the dumb arguments over distros, GNOME vs KDE and vi vs Emacs die a quick and natural death. You like Gentoo with KDE? Go for it! You like GNOME on Slack? Hey happy for ya. Until we buck up and grow beyond the infantile arguments, the Free and Open Source will always be taken and portrayed as a fringe and immature community inhabited by hippies or pimply faced teens with ant-social behaviour.
53 • re #35 (by Adam on 2008-03-24 17:52:33 GMT from Australia)
"and thats only the linuxens :-)"
Ahh yes, I should have been more specific. I am near the end of my search for my Linux distro of choice - but now I am intrigued by the world of BSD.
54 • sidux is awesome. (by craigevil on 2008-03-24 18:14:01 GMT from United States)
View topic - Neat sidux tools for newbies and advanced users
5 minutes to install. Plus very easy to install with the graphical installer.
30 seconds to boot to KDE
bleeding edge apps while being stable
55 • sidux' Fangirl (by Razberrie Tart on 2008-03-24 19:09:40 GMT from United States)
While I may not the most geek savvy one around here, and my reasons for using sidux are definitely not on the geek list, I can say that for it being the only (Yes, ONLY. sidux took my Linux cherry ;) ) Linux distro I've ever used, it's good. They put up with me in there well enough, and it's the only distro I know of that would even entertain the idea of an official fangirl, who then entertains the channel :D
ON MY OWN I have no business running any Linux distro, but sidux, with it's tools, scripts (God. Smxi is sexy.) and generally helpful support, I can make it work, nearly on my own, which makes me feel smart. I don't even have the desire to try other distros, sidux keeps me happy. Most of the time it 'just works' and outside of a fringe case of error that mostly I ignore, sidux has worked flawlessly, or easily fixable to flawlessly in the past.
Ok, that, plus I have a thing for geeks ;)
56 • Bashing... (by bill on 2008-03-24 19:32:51 GMT from United States)
...why is it necessary? The distro for which we do not speak, was spoken of, again. And the bashing/smart comments, came first, again. Thanks for ruining a possibly civil, intelligent discussion in dww. If you don't like a distro, move on. Certainly some Sidux fan-boys (and one girl) here, and no one is jumping on them (and yes, it's a very good distro..., TOO....). If one person would come in here and say one good thing about the distro which we do not speak, everyone would jump on them. Doesn't make much sense to me. Many distros are good, many are OK, and many are good only on the right hardware. Fighting, name calling about which one is better is school ground behavior.
57 • Sidux (by navigator on 2008-03-24 19:37:34 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hear Hear! 52 some sense at last.
Another reason for joining the sidux crowd ;)
58 • RE. #25 (by Anonymous on 2008-03-24 20:05:16 GMT from United States)
The purist treat Linux like a religion. Anything not GPL is looked at like a virus that needs removed. No Fedora is not the only choice, but they are also not the only distro doing this. And get over it, Liberation, what a joke.
59 • Fedora (by Anon on 2008-03-24 20:12:05 GMT from United States)
I agree w/ 52 - Fedora isn't trying to compete w/ Ubuntu or any other distro that provides non-free content, and frankly, doesn't care if you don't use them because of them. They aren't out to win a popularity contest, they are out to promote the best that free software has to offer.
We have all these different Linux distributions because people have different opinions on what is important in a computer operating system, and I firmly believe that is what makes Linux great - you can choose what important to YOU, and I'll be there is a Linux distro out there just for you!
60 • How odd (by Joe on 2008-03-24 20:41:27 GMT from United States)
My name is joe and I'm a distro Junkie. Each and every flavor of linux is like a new lover, some tickle my fancy more then others, but I love them all. To hear people bashing this distro vs that distro... why? Every disto adds to the greater good and will eventally giving way to new ideas. My first distro was Slackware, one of the oldest around. Slackware started how many great distros? I belive Suse even started off from slackware and now look at it. Love the distro that does it for you and don't hate on the others... who know, they might be the next best thing once they get those braces off.
61 • Elitist (by Sean on 2008-03-24 20:50:34 GMT from United States)
I can understand the point of some of these posts. I for one am also sick of the elitist that scream choice, but then try to dictate what is right. When you ask for help, and are told how wrong you are for not supporting free software, that is a turn off. Guess what, I have mp3's, divx, and wma's. No, I'm not going to take the time to convert everything. I also have to type reports, so Liberation fonts don't cut it for me. Not everyone hates Microsoft. I use Linux because for me it is a better choice, not because of some silly crusade. I have to admit though, the crusaders make me question my choice.
62 • sidux!!! (by ceti on 2008-03-24 20:52:25 GMT from Brazil)
Yeah, sidux rules!!!
I'm proud to be of the translation team.
Kudos to Trevor & Chris!
63 • SIDUX RELEASE NAMES (by Ahskenazi at 2008-03-24 20:59:05 GMT from Ukraine)
Yes, that is the subject I wanted to put my own 2 cents in....
Eros, Gaea, Nyx, Haos, Tartaros...
There is a proverb in English: you'll give a bad name to yor dog, and you can as well as kill it right away...Or, there is something alike at Russian: the way you'll name you own ship, that's the way it goes (whether it sinks right away at the harbour at a still sunny day - funny enough).
I do see there are some personal Sidux dev-s' preferenses in cultural matter, etc....But ought not we be more balanced in naming our brain-children which we're expecting to be used by people of the most various culture, beliefs, religion? I know this matter has been discussed at Sidux own forums; perhaps, they're most probably tired fo that subject, but, boys, I think you shoul consider that again!
Sidux is a nice Debian SID implementation (sid can't beat etch in stability realm, etc...but, yet, it is something good), but if there was a case you'll spoil it with a bad name, that is one!
64 • How did crack cocaine get to be the default wallpaper in Fedora 9? (by Bobby Hunter on 2008-03-24 21:00:57 GMT from United States)
If Fedora 9 turns out to be a great release then we are gonna hear many many comments about that awful wallpaper. On the other hand, if F9 is a bad release, we will have other things to complain about.
65 • 58 (by Anonymous on 2008-03-24 22:21:10 GMT from United States)
You're the only one trying to force anything on anyone else...You are *free* to use whatever distro you want. If you don't like what someone else is using, then (rocket science here, I know) don't use it.
I call troll. Your argument just doesn't make sense. It would only make sense if they stopped you from using proprietary codecs in your distro of choice. The phrase "Liberation, what a joke." kind of indicates in clear terms that you are trolling.
66 • teenpup (by kienanvella on 2008-03-24 22:28:03 GMT from Canada)
finally! teenpup is on the map!!! awesome!!!!! i have been with this distro for a while. it is a derivitave of puppylinux and is completely awesome!! thanks for making the decision to fully recognize it.
67 • Sidux (by john frey on 2008-03-24 22:58:48 GMT from Canada)
Wow it's nice to hear from all the satisfied Sidux users out there. I tried Sidux earlier this year. While it is a fine distro it did not fit what I wanted at the time. It's good to hear there is such a strong community and having your own fangirl, well what geek could deny the pleasure in that?
68 • SIDUX (by mika hack on 2008-03-24 23:07:06 GMT from Italy)
Wow...we are talking about Sidux......
am I dreaming....???
Or we have all discovered the Ultimate Distro???
Sidux....we love You!!!
69 • re: #30 - Sidux boot from grub (by Dave on 2008-03-24 23:26:04 GMT from Canada)
re: "I have been able to get grub to work in other Linux distro's, but not in Sidux."
When trying out a new distro in a multi-boot computer, I usually leave my working grub alone and tell the new distro installer to put grub in its own partition, NOT on the MBR. Then boot into existing linux (the one with the working grub on the MBR). Mount the newly-installed partition. Use less or an editor to get the boot lines from the newly-installed grub menu.lst and copy them to my working grub menu.lst. Finally boot into the new installation.
Actually easier than my hastily-worded procedure above :-)
70 • Sidux KDE 4 (by Anon on 2008-03-24 23:44:00 GMT from United States)
If only Sidux had KDE 4 I'd be using it right now...
71 • SIDUX SOLUTION (by knifemonkey on 2008-03-24 23:52:52 GMT from New Zealand)
here's the easist way to update your sidux system to the latest and greatest, configure your hardware and start rocking! , while this is not the de facto solution to everything, it is the easiest and most powerful system for setting up and configuring a computer after installation. here goes:
1> Start your computer
2> at the grub menu (the boot loader with the sidux kernel and memtest)
3> logon as root
4> enter the command smxi press enter
read the instructions and any warnings, follow the directions carefully. this will let you choose your repository location, activate non-free sources, upgrade sidux kernel and packages, activate your non-free graphics driver, install metapackages etc.
after this is done, I apt-get install synaptic and use that to get my packages, I havent had anys problems with synaptic myself but it is not officially supported, as it obviously has caused some issues in the past and has not been cleared as completely reliable or safe as yet and is there fore 'unsupported'. Like I said though, I had no problems, but you might, so use at your own risk. For minimal risk and easy installation of packages, use the meta-packages installer (it's in the system menu somewhere) to get the essential apps, and use apt-get install to get anything you need. Personally I run smxi every week just to make sure everything is up to scratch :) There is an upgrade moniter, but upgrading from the lower level is reccemended/sometimes essential for obvious reasons. (try and upgrade the kernel while it's running, or kde or that matter, you're asking for trouble!)
the smxi thing helps those who are just getting started, thank h2 and friends for the brilliant work on the best bash script i've ever seen, and if anything goes wrong afterwards join the irc channel! tell us your woes so that we can create a solution for you and remove the gltich from future releases.
peace, and respect.
knifemonkey -aka 'wade'
72 • #63 (by anticapitalista on 2008-03-24 23:55:55 GMT from Greece)
To post #63
I think that the sidux release names are far superior to the Ubuntu ones for example, but each unto their own. I like the fact that various distros have 'peculiar' release names. Maybe sidux releases in the future will be named after some Eastern culture. I hope so.
As I posted earlier, I think the sidux devs (I'm not one, just a satisfied user)
want to encourage people to learn not only linux, but mythology too (in this case Greek)
BTW my own distro, antiX, has so far 2 final releases named Spartacus and Lysistrata respectively. Release three final will be out soon.
But what will it be called...? :-)
73 • 70 (by devil on 2008-03-24 23:58:46 GMT from Germany)
do you really recommend a distro to use a unusable set of software like kde 4.0? we at sidux try to incorporate latest and greatest software. but the first and major criteria is: does it work for production work? kde 4.0 is far from that. so i consider your statement as stupid.
We will use kde 4.0 as soon as it hits sid.
74 • New version of SYS: 0.21 (by werner on 2008-03-25 01:16:15 GMT from France)
Im glad to can report that i updated and made much better SYS.
Its now coming as a full 4482MB-DVD. I selected and tested good the most recent versions of the most relevant programs. Kernel is 2.6.25-rc6, glibc 2.7 recompiled to its headers, almost all development apps updated/recompiled/packed.
The filosopfy of SYS is the opposite of live CDs. Nothing 100x 'try' one but continue to stay with W$ installed. Instead of this, install most fast and most easy Linux definitively, what's also more fast than to use 1x only a live CD.
The installation of SYS is full-automatically. This resulted in that neighbours who I installed SYS and/or gave an install DVD, without any problems. The distro comes together with a backup/reinstall tool what make from a personalized instalation a new install CD, inclusive cleaning up the installation from certain problems at that time; releasing to a new version and after re-installing clean, developing, releasing again is also the manner how I do the development.
Until now were download appr. 700 copies from the mirrors.
The new version can be downloaded here: http://sys.c3sl.ufpr.br or http://sys.bb83.de .
A better description of SYS is here:
75 • 73 - WTF? (by Eric Yeoh on 2008-03-25 01:19:30 GMT from Malaysia)
Here we go again. I am not into Sidux so I am unsure whether this person using the moniker "devil" is a devel or just someone is is really into sidux but we can all do without his (or its??) rudeness. If you are truly a devel, do yourself (and your favourite distro's reputation) a favour and stop questioning your potential users' "intelligence" just because you don't agree his/her choice of desktop environment.
Dude, it's just a f**king desktop, get over it. Yup KDE 4 is unstable, You get no arguments from me. The very fact that you say what you said will only drive people away from sidux; or perhaps it is only meant for 133t people? Remember the fate of Gentoo....great distro but dumb, rude and infantile users in the forums.
76 • SYS 0.21 (by werner on 2008-03-25 01:20:32 GMT from France)
correction: ... This resulted that neighbours/friends (and even their children) who I gave an install DVD or installed SYS, in turn installed it to next friends/neighbours without any problem.
77 • What's with F9's Wallpaper (by Eric Yeoh on 2008-03-25 01:31:25 GMT from Malaysia)
IMHO the wallaper for F9 really is bad....I mean really. F7 and F8's wallpapers were cool and F8 really did look good enough to be considered "office-worthy". I am not an artist and my artistic talents are limited to drawing stick figures but even then...it looks like....I don't know....burning rocks?
78 • Re #76. SYS 0.21 (by Glenn on 2008-03-25 01:48:26 GMT from Canada)
Just a question. If you already have a GRUB/LILO and do not want to step on it will your SYS installer give the option to install in the Root only and NOT the MBR?
I am in no rush to recover/rebuild my MBR like I had to do with Dreamlinux.
79 • 77 (by Anonymous on 2008-03-25 02:04:37 GMT from United States)
I gotta agree with you on that. Personally, Fedora 7 had awesome art, IMO the best ever in a Linux distro. F8 went downhill a bit, though not enough to feel embarrassed to be a part of the open source world. F9 did that for me.
Stick figures would be much better than what they've got. There is always the option to go with just a blank screen in a single color. I didn't think it was possible for someone to have less artistic talent than me, but I guess that person does exist.
They truly need to get some professional artwork. And before anyone says, "It's easy to change" keep in mind that defaults are important on live CD's and for newbies.
80 • @ the Devil in #73 (by Angel on 2008-03-25 02:30:10 GMT from United States)
Hmmm. I find your comment the one to be quite stupid actually.
First, KDE 4.0 IS quite usable, I've been using it full time since it was in RC status. Sure, it's _DIFFERENT_ than KDE 3.5.x, but it is quite usable, and very fast - much faster than KDE 3.5.x - the KDE devs did a great job.
Secondly, if you think it _does_suck_ so badly, you really should be using it rather than bashing it. The only way to make it better than it is now, is to use it and report bugs, or better yet, write some fixes yourself and get involved in the Development process.
81 • @73 (by Anon on 2008-03-25 02:36:46 GMT from United States)
Thanks, but now I'm not sure I want to try your distro once sid gets KDE 4.x
The interview was quite nice though, and it made me feel good about the distro - I will check out the forums though if I ever do think of trying Sidux simply because I'm not going to put up with abusive belittling comments in a web-forums. If that's how Sidux users are, I want no part of it (see the above post about Gentoo - I tried installing, ran into a problem, was called a stupid newb on the forums, and left w/o ever looking back). I moved on to Arch w/ KDE-Mod and I've recently been dabbling w/ Suse as I feel they do a great KDE.
I'm not stupid, BTW, and I've been using KDE 4 since it's the future of where KDE is going. If I find a bug I report it, and do my part in making it better. I'm not a programmer (I wish I was - learning now), so I can't contribute code to the KDE project (yet).
To me one of the best things about FOSS is that you can get involved in the development process, no matter who you are, and your contributions, even if they are as small as well written bug reports are appreciated, and can go to help the better good.
82 • Sidux (by RollMeAway on 2008-03-25 02:50:27 GMT from United States)
Devil, I agree with #75, lighten up. You will scare off any potential users.
Don't spoil your moment in the spotlight!
For the poster who wanted gnome, it is among the 23,776 available
packages listed in my synaptic. You may have to choose your wallpaper.
I booted into a neglected Sidux installation this weekend, to find
698 upgrades available! I thought "here goes a broken system".
I ran #smxi from the cmdline, and about an hour and a half later, I
booted into the completely up-to-date system. Complete with new
kernel, and nvidia installed. To contrast this, it takes me about the same
time in Gentoo, to upgrade Firefox alone.
To those not afraid of the command line, do give sidux a try.
Command line usage is minimal, but sometimes required.
True of all distros?
Great distro, getting better all the time.
One of the half dozen distros I have contributed money to.
83 • Kde4 on debian (by RollMeAway on 2008-03-25 02:55:04 GMT from United States)
sidux is after all debian.
84 • ref 77 (by werner on 2008-03-25 02:57:16 GMT from France)
i posted the response, but the post is filtered out, or the site has a problem
85 • ref 78 (not 77) (by wl,cayenne on 2008-03-25 03:02:52 GMT from France)
Because its principally possible and necessary for bring forwards the 'simple-person-security' of Linux, so that more people use it, that the installation runs full-automatically, its one of the principles of SYS to realize and keep this. For example: when on the hard disk is anywhere the space X, outside partitions, or inside so that they should be resized, there is no real objective against to let the installer find/decide to use this.
The automatical instalation - what I keep for VERY IMPORTANT and where I dont will make a step backwards - has certain compromisses. The boot loader have to be installed in any partition or in the MBR. The MBR is a privileged place, inclusive considerating a later deletion of a partition. Thus, the auto-installer install it there.
On the other side, normally lilo makes a backup of the 1st sector when it installs. Thus, when something goes wrong, you just copy this back, with dd.
Also, the installer dont delete Linux partitions. Thus, any time you can chroot old-installation ; mount proc /proc -t proc ; lilo to reinstall lilo of your previous installation.
The /etc/lilo.conf label for any pre-existing W$ is commented out, however the partition is good visible on the desktop, so that beginners find them stuff and can use it by means of Linux programs. Whom want double-boot, just remove the 's in /etc/lilo and re-run lilo .
The SYS install DVD has a nice rescue system with which one can do this and many other things.
The reason why Im not taking care so much of existing Linux instalations, is that one of the goals of SYS is to bring the people RIGOROUSLY from W$ to Linux. This isnt necessary for whom using Linux already. Second, the already-Linux-user normally know to help himself, inclusive recover the boot installer.
When however users really report problems, with this item or with any other, I improve it INSOFAR IT DONT BREAK THE SAID AND OTHER PRINCIPLES OF SYS. Please, when you really have problems, report them to me.
Besides of the SYS install/backup system (what one can use, in principle, for make an install CD of any existing installation -- tested however not widely, until now -- and what insofar is rather independent on the distro), today was ready also the upload of the SYS install DVD to the mirrors.
86 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-03-25 03:09:48 GMT from United States)
"For the poster who wanted gnome, it is among the 23,776 available
packages listed in my synaptic."
That is true, however, unless things have changed in the last couple of months, gnome is not supported by the Sidux team. Pulling in gnome and mixing it with Sid will almost certainly give problems - in fact that is the reason they stated before for not supporting gnome. It is too easy for gnome to break. It just does not seem optimal to run gnome with Sidux. Others might have good experiences doing so, but I don't think I'll spend time testing it out.
87 • sidux, kde4 (by email@example.com on 2008-03-25 03:32:00 GMT from New Zealand)
I really, really hate to comment apon this but, kde4 is avaliable for all debian based repositories: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html
so whether or not it is supported by sidux is against the point.
kde4, yes hmm, it is fact that it is less stable, supports less apps (the entire kde 3.x series of applications, unsupported), is much bigger, requires better hardware and therefore is slower.
It requires qt4, which is in itself kinda neat, but kde4 struck me as being a load of pointless bloat!!! and hey? that's just my opinion, dont get all flamery/
some people might actually enjoy spinning their icons around and making them big using plasma and putting resource sapping windows vista-esq widgets all over the place.
the bottom line is that kde4 hasent reached sid yet (the 'unstable' branch, so where does that put kde4? methinks the unfinished branch). And sidux is based of sid. I use jvwm-crystal :) personally I don't actually trust trolltech one bit, their commercial agenda and kde's dependency on Qt is just a bit too rough for me to stomach, but that's just rhetoric isnt it.
88 • fix^ (by knifemonkey on 2008-03-25 03:34:15 GMT from New Zealand)
kde4 is avaliable for all debian based ***distrobutions:
89 • @ 13 + 25 (by Anonymous on 2008-03-25 03:47:39 GMT from United States)
If it weren't for the "groups like Fedora" that push for software freedom your OS wouldn't exist. Without GNU the Linux kernel would have been nothing more than a half working clone of Minix that would only be popular as a curiosity in academia and not powering 51% of the web and most certainly not be useful for the average desktop or workstation.
So rather than say "they think everything must be GPL'ed" or "they are building a religion out of software" try to educate yourself on why so you can be more respectful to the people that were generous enough to take time out of their lives to code the tools that make your OS what it is.
90 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-03-25 04:30:06 GMT from United States)
"There is our support team (over 20 people strong) with Ferdi Thommes (devil) in front, who also serves in multiple other teams and the e.V. (he seems to be virtually everywhere), answering questions and helping people day and night in the forums and the IRC."
Face it, when a dev sees a bug, he calls it a bug. Not a feature. (Unless you work for MS, lulz)
Some people ARE stupid (a permanent condition), fortunately most of us are just ignorant (temporary). Allow someone to shed a little light on your ignorance every once in a while, you just might like the lasting effect it has. So go ahead and toss your presuppositions and assumptions wildly into that comment box whenever you get the whim. Just don't get all hurt when someone throws a rock at your ignorant assumption plated windows.
Grow a thicker skin you dang cry babies.
91 • How to Add an External Hard Drive (by globoterra on 2008-03-25 04:47:47 GMT from China)
If you're an avid PS3 gamer, then you know the importance of saving your progress for future game play.
Pls, help me!
92 • @90 & 73 (by john frey on 2008-03-25 05:43:20 GMT from Canada)
There are always many ways to say something. If you must resort to name calling and derogation then don't expect people to treat your comments with respect. You will always be disappointed.
93 • SliTaz -- Boot bébé... boot! (by Anonymous on 2008-03-25 06:43:02 GMT from New Zealand)
I just tried SliTaz (see recently added to the waiting list). It is a very cool 25MB download and worthy of any distrohopper's attention. Please remind me, how does needing 4GB of RAM to run a modern desktop OS count as innovative software development?
94 • In praise of Parsix (by Anonymous on 2008-03-25 07:01:44 GMT from Italy)
Absolutely lovely look
Great package selection
Based on Debian Testing, thus you don't have to wait for the next release in order to get updates
Kanotix based hardware detection, you can't beat that.
Parsix is an absolute gem, albeit little known, and it beats hands down the GNOME based competition.
Please note that I am not Parsix related in any way.
95 • Fedora 9 (by SilentSam on 2008-03-25 08:44:07 GMT from Canada)
I thought Fedora 8 had some of the nicest default artwork that any OS has ever released. A lot of the artwork in Fedora 9 looks to be continuing this trend, except for the desktop wallpapers as previously mentioned.
And concerning the Sidux release names... I really like the greek trend and all, but Tartaros? Isn't that Greek for Hell? Kinda gives a bad depiction for the release...
96 • RE 49 : Is datapeeler dividing the Holy (GNU) linux Community? (by dbrion on 2008-03-25 08:48:48 GMT from France)
"It seems like this is just another attempt to divide the Linux community rather that bring it together by suggesting that Europeans and Australians are more distro-community focused that Americans. "
As far as I could understand, communities are not suggested, but deduced from computations .... (I fear, correct me if I am wrong- you have the same reasoning as in the 16th century : a flat Earth was more comfortable to Catholics...).
The main point I see is that these computations rely on thresholds, which are arbitrary, and on a splitting by countries (perhaps if the States were divided into ... states, the results would be different, but geoIP seems to be limited to countries...).
Data-Peeler "found"/"showed" that , in the US, visitors are more likely to look at distros at random (which means more work) , while Europeans tend to look at groups of distrs (with the risk of missing something new).
Explain me why it is a casus belli?
The main flaw I saw was it is not cross verified with other statistical software (free or non free): as a new algorithm is more likely to have bugs or interpretation errors than a fully tested one, and as there are hundreds of softs extracting features, this makes me uneasy.....
97 • Linux has regressed (on my hardware) right across the distro spectrum! (by OpenSUSE 10.3 (kde) excepted on 2008-03-25 10:12:22 GMT from Australia)
Hardware is simple Acer 1644 wlmi (1640 series) laptop/notebook with intel 915 GM graphics card/chip and display screen that operates at common resolution of 1280x800@60Hz. Previous distro editions, prior to May/June 2007, used the i810 intel driver with the 915resolution packge/patch and all was working well! Now many distros have omitted the i810 driver and thus are USELESS to me and others with similar hardware!
I have lost count (and run out of blank CDs) of how many distros I have tried and that failed to work (or that have an easy workaround). The new "intel" driver seems to be the culprit and ALL Gnome distros , including openSUSE 10.3, after updates (original GM Live Cd was OK), and openSUSE 11.0 Alphas 1,2 &3. Sidux, Mint, Pardus, PCLOS, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Mandriva and Fedora are the main ones I have tried. Previous versions of Ubuntu family provided the "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" command but now it does not touch xorg and thus my recent test of Xubuntu beta was a TOTAL failure (OVERSIZE menu text on desktop made it impossible to navigate).
If it was not for openSUSE 10.3 KDE (which is working very well with every bit of my hardware I use), I would be saying goodbye and good riddance to Linux!
So, excuse me if I sneer at those that come here and tell TALL TALES of the "greatness" of their "Distro Hopper Stopper" and such like cheap slogans!
98 • No subject (by A Nony on 2008-03-25 10:18:49 GMT from United States)
"a unusable set of software like kde 4.0?"
KDE 4.0 is not perfect but is far from being unusable.
"so i consider your statement as stupid."
99 • ^ sidux i810 video driver (by knifemonkey on 2008-03-25 10:22:44 GMT from New Zealand)
i815 driverworks fine here matey. dunno what your problem is. did you try smxi as mentioned above? did you try asking for help?
if you ever get tired of suse's yast rpm based package management, (I don't like oogabuntu, but at least they got that part right! apt-get rocks! ) u should try the above suggestions if you havent already.
100 • 98 (by devil on 2008-03-25 10:33:02 GMT from Germany)
i was referring to kde4 as unusable in its current state in a distro that aims for the desktop on productive systems. of course i test kde4 on a testinstall on a regular basis.
in no way at the moment does it meet the standards sidux sets up for software to be included.
if you find that comment stupid, thats ok with me.
101 • ...a second glance reveals more sidux influence in this edition (by cleary on 2008-03-25 10:36:13 GMT from Australia)
I just noticed the teenPUP screenshot includes wallpaper submitted for the sidux 2007-02 tartaros wallpaper comp by spacepenguin:
102 • #95 (by anticapitalista on 2008-03-25 12:58:47 GMT from Greece)
"...but Tartaros? Isn't that Greek for Hell?"
No ..and yes. The modern Greek for hell is "Kolasi"
tartaros was a sort of Hellish place in Greek mythology, but also Tartaros "was the third force to manifest in the yawning void of Chaos." [Hesiod]
103 • Qu Anticapitalista : Who was Lysistrata? (by dbrion on 2008-03-25 13:05:31 GMT from France)
And why have unfinished, buggy distributions a Greek letter (alpha, beta)?
FYI hurricanes and tropical storms had only girl's names (Helena drowned my dog, Kathrina cut my palm-tree, Suzanna blew my roof off...) until womens organisations protested , and now boys names can be used to name hurricanes, too.
104 • Thanks Dave For The Insight Into Making Tri-Boot & Grub Work For Me (by Free Tibet on 2008-03-25 13:42:03 GMT from Canada)
Hi Dave, Thanks for the comment and guidance. I was doing it backwards. I was overwriting my mbr, and then rewriting my grub with the original grub menu.lst. It worked sometimes, but your direction sounds much more practical, and may work all the time. I will give it a try soon. Thanks again for your help. Cheers
69 • re: #30 - Sidux boot from grub (by Dave on 2008-03-24 23:26:04 GMT from Canada)
re: "I have been able to get grub to work in other Linux distro's, but not in Sidux."
When trying out a new distro in a multi-boot computer, I usually leave my working grub alone and tell the new distro installer to put grub in its own partition, NOT on the MBR. Then boot into existing linux (the one with the working grub on the MBR). Mount the newly-installed partition. Use less or an editor to get the boot lines from the newly-installed grub menu.lst and copy them to my working grub menu.lst. Finally boot into the new installation.
Actually easier than my hastily-worded procedure above :-)
105 • No subject (by ashkenazi on 2008-03-25 13:53:28 GMT from Ukraine)
"Tartaros "was the third force to manifest in the yawning void of Chaos." [Hesiod]"
I guess, all such names as Tartaros, Xaos, and alike are self-explainable. There is no need to refer to wiki, dictionaries, etc....The Sidux developers chose this trend to walk in, and it look like they intented to keep it...The only question for now is: what kind of stability (and all the other kind of *-abilities) you can expect from Haos (Xaos?) and Tartaros? Isn''t that a discouage in itself?
I'm not trying to urge you to call in by the names of the famous Middle Ages Greek monks of Aphon Monastery, but, yet....
106 • How to Add an External Hard Drive (by gutenmter on 2008-03-25 14:04:57 GMT from United States)
If you're an avid PS3 gamer, then you know the importance of saving your progress for future game play.
Pls, help me!
107 • things i have forgotten (by arno911 on 2008-03-25 14:09:02 GMT from Germany)
i named a few linux distros for being excellent and i forgot to mention
shame on me! I'm sorry.
So: Guys, try antiX !! (and no, it doesnt come with KDE4 lol but install what you like)
Having a favorite distro should never stop one from looking at all the others. Be it a point and click adventure like the ubuntu flavours (you can say what you want about *buntu, but it is clearly the Number one Distro when it comes to pulling Windows users over to the GNU/Linux side), or a mean, devilish geeks-only distro like grml (*g*)
Even some rpm based distros can offer a nice user experience: Mandriva for example, or the offsprung (NOT TO MENTION HERE) PCLinuxOS.
Im a purist: imho there is slackware and debian,
and everything else is just a copy!
(remember: redhat was more or less slackware using rpm package managment, and suse is the same but from Germany hehe)
There are nice copies out there in the wild :) dont miss them.
About the sidux release names: yes its f*cking intellectual. and yes, its also (though not by intention) directed to those who can read, and want to learn. and there lots of those kind of folks on the web. please dont judge a book by its cover, nor by its reader.^^ see whats in it. names are just sound and smoke as we say in Germany. based on names, everyone running a ubuntu must be totally insane, and grml devs seem to be good humorists and bad programmers. i asure you, the opposite is true.
108 • @107 (by john frey on 2008-03-25 15:22:35 GMT from Canada)
So grml devs are humourless and good programmers? LOL
109 • #97 - 915res (by ray carter at 2008-03-25 15:22:48 GMT from United States)
Try the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver. I find it works MUCH better than the 915res patch. It's been available in most major distros for about a year. FWIW - I could never get the 915 res patch to work on my Gateway m305 - only way I could get native resolution was with the proprietary driver from xi graphics - until the above mentioned driver became available.
110 • @108 (by arno911 on 2008-03-25 16:04:44 GMT from Germany)
yes, totally humorless *g*
no matter what i say - someone will always find the nonsense in it...
111 • @97 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-03-25 16:24:43 GMT from Canada)
The intel driver does not need 915resolution as it does not rely on the mode list provided by the system's video BIOS, it derives its own list of valid modes from the chip's and monitor's capabilities. 915resolution was just a hack for the problem of bad lists in video BIOSes, which is irrelevant to intel. If intel is for some reason incapable of displaying the correct mode on your hardware, it would be more useful to file a bug on the X.org Bugzilla than complain on a Distrowatch Weekly thread. Last time I checked, amazingly enough, none of the 'intel' driver authors read DWW.
112 • oh btw (by arno911 on 2008-03-25 16:30:28 GMT from Germany)
could you please publish the "not so easy to misunderstand" part of the vanished posting #109, i liked what i said about chaos and how it fits the state of sidux in january 2007 :) thx
113 • sidux' naming (by Razberrie Tart on 2008-03-25 18:33:46 GMT from United States)
sidux, as of Tartaros edition, has a newsletter. If you're curious about one of the release names, get onto the forums and read Spicy News. Back issues are archived
And, really, most of kde4 is in experimental, isn't it ? As a whole it hasn't reached sid, so really, why should sidux, based on sid, support something that by and large isn't even in sid to begin with.
Sure a handful of apps work here and there, but as a whole it's not there. When it is, I am sure sidux will support it, has plans to, probably, but not knowing what goes on in the plans, I'm guessing.
sidux is unstable, sidux is spicy, why not have some equally creative and provocative names for the distro ?
114 • The Band Plays On (by Landor on 2008-03-25 19:18:12 GMT from Canada)
Why is it that the odd time we see an interview or review of some distros we have to read countless comments on how great it is from their userbase? For the most part, it's the only time they come here and actually speak of the distro or anything else in DWW/ The Linux World. Does the interview not say enough?
Do we have to have advocates like "Devil" who's such a shining examply of the Sidux community (as per the interview) one of the people here who really didn't do much but ask about KDE 4 is called stupid? One thing I never tolerate in anything in life is ignorance towards others. I enjoyed Sidux the various times I test-drove it. Now it will be off my list due to a recognized member of it's community being openly ignorant.
I found the interview odd as well. A friend of mine asked me if I could help them remaster Sidux and I said I would. So I went to see if there was any specific info regarding it, did some searches in Google, etc. I found a forum post or two I do believe where a use was told something along the lines of Sidux is "not" to be remastered. To be honest I don't recall the complete post and will not go looking. But what I do recall is the fact that I struck it as kind've weird when almost every distro is a remaster of something and one distro can build their own but others can't do the same? Odd. Anyway, we didn't use any info, we just did it the long and dragged out way, sniffin' and pokin', working in chroot jail, etc and remastered it via hand's on. I find it odd given the post that Sidux is now considering "in the future" of making it remasterable. If this was the case previously, wouldn't there have been a post by a mod, a dev, or another user contradicting the person for saying not to remaster Sidux?
Anyway, I liked Sidux's speed, fastest binary I ever used. But I won't be giving it a second glance now since no doubt quite a number of the Sidux "team" as it will are no doubt aware of one of their team being openly ignorant towards another and not even an apology from the community at the least in some form for it.
Thanks to 52 for posting the link. I liked this one line a lot and am going to use it as a quote.
Let Spaceman worry about being popular. Let's concern ourselves with being right, and being productive -- even when it's difficult. -- Greg DeKoenigsberg
Community Development Manager
Red Hat, Inc.
Keep your stick on the ice...
115 • # 114 (by devil on 2008-03-25 19:32:46 GMT from Germany)
Well, to make this clear: i did not call anyboby anything and i would not.
I said that " i consider that comment stupid" because its in the line of many others i have seen like 'sidux is bleeding edge, where is kde4'.
In #98 i got my own dogfood back, so what?
If someone says I made a stupid comment, be it so.
116 • remastering (by arno911 on 2008-03-25 19:38:04 GMT from Germany)
sidux is not a remaster of any distro. it has its own build sytem, FLL, and its planned to give every user in the world the possibility to build "her/his own" sidux version. right now there is no documentation for the build system, we who try it are on our own, but so far it works ;)
Oh, and that would be a Master, not a Remaster.
btw I'm sorry if devil made this bad impression. he used to be a nice guy so far. can i borrow your stick to show him whats right or wrong? *g*
117 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-03-25 19:38:08 GMT from Greece)
Good point about naming schemes.
Lysistrata is an anti-war play written by Aristophanes. The plot is that the women organise a sex-strike to end the Peloponnesian wars.
Oh and antiX is excellent too. ;-)
118 • #89 (by herman on 2008-03-25 20:12:06 GMT from Netherlands)
Please note that #25 was being sarcastic.
And right, too.
119 • RE 115 & 116 (by Landor on 2008-03-25 20:18:13 GMT from Canada)
You would not? If I commented on your work in that way would I not be saying the same thing of you regardless of the context or prose in which I put it? Apples and Oranges here, and your justification of your action just further cements my beliefs regarding your actions, especially when all a person basically said if it had a certain package(s) they would use it, should all people be cognizant of all packages available in Debian Sid? I know I do not, I guess that makes me like the original poster.
But as I said, and your comment to me shows it. In my opinion only of course you are not someone who should be helping and dealing with others. If someone who is considered a spokesperson or support person for anything, should they get rankled over a question and reply in an ignoranty manner? I think not. They should simply point out that it is not available and that is why it is not used. As I said, your justifcation futher cements my beliefs
I was pointing out something I found odd is all, a contradiction of sorts. I do know the development team is not judged by every word posted on their forums by every user. But I still found it odd that at one time no dev/mod/whatever stepped up to say something different to the person who posted, so which would "lead" me to "only assume" this was the general concensus at the time and found it odd that's it may have, or has, changed.
Thank you for your reply.
Keep your stick on the ice...
120 • Let's be real here (by jeffcustom on 2008-03-25 21:54:09 GMT from United States)
If you boycotted a distro everytime you saw a critical post from a dev, you'd be staring at your bios and a blinking cursor at boot. :-)
Look, I am not a software developer but I work with nearly a dozen of them every day. Devs are a different breed of people from users, even "power users". They like to be presented facts with solid data behind it. They don't like to speculate or here "wouldn't it be nice if". It's just their mindset. Because of that, if you talk outside of that box it can be irritating to them. I get snapped at by the devs from time to time for the WAY I ask a question, not necessarily because of what I am asking for. Most of the time, when I really think about what I said, I understand their reaction. The sidux devs are very similar to the people I work with. I guess for that reason, seeing some of the comments don't offend me. My experience with sidux is that the devs are very careful. They do not make rash decisions and don't just include something for the "cool" factor. They also don't just throw out things in the forum like remastering info. They are the type of group who will only release that info in a proper format like bluewater's manual. To them, if they post it in the forum, then they have to support it. If they aren't ready to support it, they aren't going to post it. Pretty simple philosophy.
This very approach is why I love sidux. There is no way this distro could survive as a stable operating system in sid if they developed it by the seat of their pants. These guys are serious about what they do. So, while saying you would use sidux if it had KDE4 sounds innocent, to the devs it's not a comment that makes any sense at all when the packages aren't even in sid and are not considered a good candidate for a stable desktop. After all, isn't that what Chris said was their goal, a stable desktop?
devil is a great resource for people in the sidux community. He has explained his reason for the comment and that he didn't mean anything personal. I think it should be dropped.
121 • RE 120 (by Landor on 2008-03-25 23:07:19 GMT from Canada)
"If you boycotted a distro everytime you saw a critical post from a dev, you'd be staring at your bios and a blinking cursor at boot"
That is what would happen then. I am "pro-people". I do not feel degrading, or belittling someone, their thoughts, or questions is the way anyone should act towards others. Would a person do that to their boss? mother? father? I would surely hope not, and if they did sad indeed. So, why do it to another?
A great resource? If you had a salesman at your company who told one of your largest buyers they were stupid in some way in this forum I'm quite sure your reply would be very different. That said, why is it different? Because it's online? Because it doesn't have anything to do with profits? Because you know nothing of the other person? Any of these reasons, and many others are not reason at all.
This is a topic I've commented about right here many times. This community actually being a real community and being decent towards one another. There's no room in most people's lives for tolertating ignorance, so why accept it online, and in a community that is meant to encompass something great like giving freely to others and working together for that goal.
No, his reasoning for the comment was far from justification for it. But if you want, tell me, why could he not have explained "KDE 4 is not part of Debian Sid, so at present we don't use it until it does become part of it. If you like, you can help the Debian KDE 4 team resolve the issues keeping it out of sid" Any reason why that is far worse than being told your comment is stupid? Oh, and also, I can think of a million reasons why the question asked would make sense, first and foremost, like myself, the original poster of the comment did not know KDE 4 was not a part of Sid. Quite an obvious one as well.
My opinion still stands.Sidux should either have a talk with him, or look towards someone else. I believe that for most things, if it happens once, it happens agains. Life and People are like that.
Keep your stick on the ice...
122 • Understood (by jeffcustom on 2008-03-25 23:28:27 GMT from United States)
I'm not saying that he couldn't have used a better approach. But to call for his head is a little extreme. I've seen many vicious posts here that go much further than saying someone asked a "stupid" question. Everyone has a bad day. Seems silly to boycott a distro because of something that one person may say on a given day. I work in an environment where brutal honesty or strong opinions are part of everyday communication. Guess I must have a little thicker skin than some.
I understand, and appreciate, your point of view.
123 • DW trivia (by Adam Williamson on 2008-03-25 23:28:39 GMT from Canada)
Trivia: today's the first day I can remember for a long time where the HPD top six are the same in the six month, three month, one month and seven day views. Whichever view you look at, the top six are Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Mint, PCLOS, Fedora and Mandriva. The order isn't the same in all four views, but the distros are.
It's possible PCLOS may drop out soon, or it may stabilize around 5th-6th place. Hard to say for sure.
124 • KDE 4 Sidux Apology (by Anon on 2008-03-26 03:06:00 GMT from United States)
Hey guys - I appreciate everyone trying to stick up for me - thinking back, I was a little thin skinned myself, and I see the point of my post not making any sense considering that KDE 4 is still in Debian Experimental and hasn't made it's way into "sid", and since Sidux is based on "sid", it wouldn't make much sense for Sidux to have KDE 4.
So, I take back what I said - I'll try Sidux (once KDE 4 gets in "sid").
I still disagree about it not being usable. Every app. I ran under KDE 3 either has been ported to KDE 4, or the KDE 3 version works fine (Amarok), even my GTK apps work - Gimp, Firefox, Pidgin, etc. I've had no stability problems, and everything is hunky dory.
125 • #124 KDE 4 (by devil on 2008-03-26 05:34:58 GMT from Germany)
On another day I have to say that my wording was a bit thoughtless and could have been more sensible.
Usability for us means at the same time we have to be able to support any problems that arise. I just dont see it there yet.
126 • #123 (by Vinze on 2008-03-26 08:06:51 GMT from Netherlands)
Adam, why do you have to mention PCLOS in particulary ? I don't realy care who is in the top 5 of the rankings.
127 • 126 (by Anonymous on 2008-03-26 11:47:20 GMT from United States)
I don't care either (my distros are way down on the list). OTOH, this shows us a couple of things.
First, it shows that PCLOS's jump to the top was probably legit - there was a lot of interest in a distro even many longtime Linux users had never used. There was a peak in interest and now it is settling down. If it was at the top due to fraud, that fraud should still be going on.
Second, it shows that, as has been said many times here, PCLOS is good but by no means unique in its goodness. It is unlikely to continue to generate so many hits because we looked at it and a lot of us had difficulty seeing what makes it special.
Not that there's anything good or bad about any of that. That's how the world works, always has, always will, but it does clear up some issues as far as I'm concerned.
128 • interests on distros (by werner, cayenne on 2008-03-26 11:55:15 GMT from France)
I also think there is many corruption, fraud, interest on the 'ranking' of distros. Also on the current site, where has a witing list of more distros than are registrated. Iself make now, in my STS distro, in all browsers favorites for friendly sites, at the same time i block unfriendly or enemy sites. This is most important especially for distros for beginners which coming from W$ or new to Linux, to make them familiary since the beginning with the good sites. Many sites living from click-counters, dont visit them.
129 • @128 werner (by arno911 on 2008-03-26 12:22:39 GMT from Germany)
can you explain what you mean with corruption, and what you mean with enemy sites?
sounds like you are going to war *g*
130 • two questions to @128 (by dbrion on 2008-03-26 12:43:38 GMT from France)
"more distros than are registrated"
a) Where are distributions officially registered (this needs a lawyer, at least)?
b) Is *your* "distribution in DW (not in delirious posts from one individual, but in a waiting list, say...? This might explain your post......
131 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-03-26 12:45:15 GMT from United States)
"Second, it shows that, as has been said many times here, PCLOS is good but by no means unique in its goodness. It is unlikely to continue to generate so many hits because we looked at it and a lot of us had difficulty seeing what makes it special."
More likely due to the release schedule. PCLOS 2007 was released almost a year ago and has rolling updates. Many of the other distros on the top 10 since then have released many alphas/betas and this generate more clicks to get "this month's version of the latest software". There are many great Linux OS out there, trying to say which one is best is silly. What works on my hardware maybe won't work on yours. What I want in the repos maybe you don't care about.
132 • Re 111.... intel driver issues----possible FIX---> (by Option "No DDC" on 2008-03-26 13:02:43 GMT from Australia)
111 • @97 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-03-25 from Canada)
The intel driver does not need 915resolution as it does not rely on the mode list provided by the system's video BIOS, it derives its own list of valid modes from the chip's and monitor's capabilities. 915resolution was just a hack for the problem of bad lists in video BIOSes, which is irrelevant to intel.
Most distros left the option of "i810 + 915Resolution" as a fallback option at the first adoption of the new "experimental intel" driver, exception being Mandriva 2008 and its clone/s. IMO, that was a bad decision on Madriva's part (As for the clone/s, they just copy the master copy!).
If intel is for some reason incapable of displaying the correct mode on your hardware
It is NOT just my hardware! And it is not so much the display, in most cases, but once I logout and it is generally the login screen and its menus that are the problem! Stefan Dirsch (openSUSE Xorg maintainer) has solved this problem on openSUSE 10.3! There appears to be a problem with the updated Gnome version and the new Gnome Alphas for openSUSE 11.0 but its NOT this oversize font bug!
it would be more useful to file a bug on the X.org Bugzilla than complain on a Distrowatch Weekly thread. Last time I checked, amazingly enough, none of the 'intel' driver authors read DWW.
Bugs have been filed and there is a FIX, you should look at it instead of telling me to go to X.org Bugzilla, IMHO! The openSUSE 10.3 Xorg server rpm has a patch dated around 21-9-07 and a bug number associated with it that will lead any enquiring (especially someone who knows how to code and read opensource code) mind to the solution.
Even I (just from reading the bug report) was able to find a test that fixes the "BIG FONT" syndrome! I just tested Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Fedora 8 Kde and they all respond positively, that is not to say everything is perfect.
Identifier "Configured Video Device"
Option "No DDC"
133 • Re 132 ...Followup links for bug solution (by Anonymous on 2008-03-26 13:56:34 GMT from Australia)
[Bug 326454] New: excessively large font
* From: bugzilla_noreply@xxxxxxxxxx
* Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:56:00 -0600 (MDT)
--- Comment #13 from 2007-09-21 06:24:44 MST ---
Egbert convinced me that it could still be a DPI issue (wrong monitor EDID
data). You can workaround this by either adding "-dpi 100" as Xserver option to
/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers or by adding
to Section "Device" of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
--- Comment #14 from 2007-09-21 06:55:51 MST ---
Yes this fixed this issue.
Changelog excerpt - relating to this bug - from xorg-x11-server-7.1-143.11 and xorg-x11-server-extra-7.1-143.11 (openSUSE 10.3) rpm packages:
2007-09-21 - sndirsch@xxxxxx
* added sanity check for monitor EDID data (Bug #326454)
134 • No subject (by werner, cayene on 2008-03-26 15:38:38 GMT from France)
#130: i dont write 'officially' registered, because at least things reached not there -- although some persons try to become something 'official' or controlling others, even in Linux ... But there have own-pretended registraters or sites like this, which have more distros on the waiting-list and on the waiting-list for the waiting-list.
My own distro is not 'registered' here, but f.ex. in distromania, softpedia, etc; correspondingly, into its system / install DVD, in the browsers, some sites are in the favorite list for beginners use them, others are blocked incl copy this back on each restart. We in open source have to be attent that not people coming and want to rule us, like M$ who want to tell us if and what Linux is permitted and what not; whom try this, at least on all installs what I do I block these people's sites, also in my install CDs
135 • correction (by werner on 2008-03-26 15:44:25 GMT from France)
correction 1st part : ... on the ... waiting list than they have 'registered'
With wiki is another problem. This is the playground of the mob and trolls. And good that they now dont have more money , and either change that or close.
Both are examples for wrong directions in which parts at the margin of the open-software movement can go.
136 • re 134,135 (as far as now) (by dbrion on 2008-03-26 16:03:37 GMT from France)
" i dont write 'officially' registered" Registration,in itself, has an official aspect=>* this would be a tautology (lapalissade).... and is inconsistent with your criticism of control/ being official.....
"My own distro is ".... "registered in its system / install DVD" That is rather autistic.....
Has it *any* interesting feature(s)? Sorry , commenting out a lilo entry (even if it is Micro Soft Windows one!) or installing itself easily would have been interesting .... a century ago)
I mean, something other distros do not offer....
137 • @126 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-03-26 16:20:35 GMT from Canada)
I didn't mention PCLOS in the sense of "let's look at PCLOS's position", I was just pointing out which distro is most likely to drop out of the current 'stable' top 6, and based on the trends, that's PCLOS. But as I said, it's also possible it'll stabilize where it is. It's hard to tell. If it had been another distro that was most likely to drop out, I'd've said that instead.
138 • @132 / 133 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-03-26 16:24:22 GMT from Canada)
You say that like I should have known it already, like it was perfectly obvious. It wasn't. You didn't include any of that information in your initial post, you just whined about people doing a version upgrade.
i810 is not the 'stable' driver and intel the 'new, experimental' driver: i810 is outdated and intel is current. They simply renamed the driver because the old name was becoming hopelessly misleading. The current 'intel' driver is just i810 v2.2. if they hadn't renamed the driver, would you be expecting all distributions to include two different versions of a particular driver just because someone experienced some problem in the new version which happened to be a regression from the old one? That's not a particularly sane development process. The point is that the regression should be fixed.
NoDDC isn't a fix, it's a workaround. As was pointed out, the problem is that your monitor returns invalid EDID data, so the DPI X.org computes based on the EDID data is incorrect. This is really a bug in your monitor, not anything else. However, doing a sanity check on the computed DPI is a good way to work around this kind of bug, so I'll check that we have that fix in our current X.org (if it was sent upstream by SUSE, we likely do). NoDDC just stops the driver from trying to calculate anything based on your EDID, which is not appropriate behaviour for the 99% of systems whose EDID data *is* valid.
139 • 3 questions to Adam Williamson (by dbrion on 2008-03-26 16:31:09 GMT from France)
Qu 1 : Is PClos likely to drop linked with its rolling "up"grade policy, and the arrival of many Spring editions, in your opinion?
Qu 2: In france, when I go to DW home page, I see (on the WSW side) advertising for Linux Identity Kit , with *only* Mandriva. Is it the same thing in Canada (FYI, I rather buy LIK for *non* Mandriva CDs and howtos, and buy Spring Mandrivas for my friends...). That would make DW and its announcers rather smart, if iadvertising were geoiped...
Qu 3 :why did you release a somewhat working alpha (sorry for the poor Greeks, who really should protest) , this winter? Normally, they are not working at all....May be I was lucky...
140 • Intel i810 (by Anonymous on 2008-03-26 17:44:01 GMT from United States)
In reasearching my i810 dell soundpro issue I found that the big vendors are tweeking the chipset and it is effecting the driver. I have a (poorly supported in windows) beige box with a i810 chipset (Samba 1541) and the video/sound works fine under OSS. The Dell has been having nothing but problems with any new distro in the last 6 month too for some reason. It may be the vendors and not Intel but I wish someone would stop the finger pointing and look into it. It also agree with #138 that it may be they fixed it for some i810s and totally broke it for others on the 2.2 release.
141 • Install routines (by Anonymous on 2008-03-26 17:55:16 GMT from United States)
I too am getting a bit fed up with install routines that do not do what they say they are going to do. Then they create a bizzare work around that causes more problem because it is not explained clearly and doesn't take into account other configurations. The whole prosses should be revised to me it is a show stopper.
They should either put out a fix program and a replacement program on a bugfix version of the live CD or stop premoting the feature on the website and warn people not or how to use it correctly. You think you are safe with a distro then the new version total messses up what you did 1000 times in the last version. Play nice, tell us you're bad or I won't play with you anymore.
142 • Boring (by Bored on 2008-03-26 18:57:17 GMT from United States)
The issues are great, love the information. The comment section is the same rabble all the time. Mine is better, blah blah blah. Use what makes you happy, who cares if it's linux, windows, mac os or a pencil. *YAWN*
143 • @139 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-03-26 19:16:30 GMT from Canada)
1: I'm really not sure. If I had to guess I'd say it was partly the fact that they don't do regular releases, and partly a natural 'settling' effect - now more people know what PCLOS is, so they're less likely to click on the page to find out. I don't think this is a surprise to the PCLOS devs, Tex has long said he thinks the DW ranking position was an anomaly and he expected PCLOS to drop.
2: I have no idea, ask Ladislav. :)
3: Sorry, that was our fault entirely. We just forgot to break it before we released it. We apologize for any inconvenience this caused ;)
144 • @133 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-03-26 19:34:17 GMT from Canada)
Upstream X.org git master now has a better fix for the issue (instead of simply doing a sanity check and throwing away 'bad' EDID data, it spots when a unit error like this is the problem and does the appropriate unit conversion). git commit is http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/xserver.git;a=commit.... I have proposed it to our X.org maintainer for the MDV package.
145 • Sidux live USB vs MCNLive USB (by Ultra on 2008-03-26 22:11:04 GMT from Canada)
Many people say that Sidux is a blazingly fast KDE implementation so I decided to test if out as a live USB. I wasn't really impressed with it's startup speed or with the speed at which applications opened.
I tried the MCNLive live USB and the start up time was very slow, but applications started up really quickly - at least twice as fast as apps in Sidux.
146 • SYS Linux (by werner , in Cayenne on 2008-03-26 22:11:26 GMT from France)
About the distro what I iniciated, already 2 months ago when I put v. 0.20-rc2 for download, was discussed many here in this place. And I see this are always the same people which asks the same thing again.
No matter if its working good or still-not-so-good, I at least do something in direction to make Linux better usable for beginners, instead of only lamenting that the Linux-Desktop=Year dont want to come, or trolling around and write only stuff without fundament about what others do.
147 • 97, 111, 132, 133... (by Ultra on 2008-03-26 22:19:34 GMT from Canada)
People should read release notes when they install a distro. Opensuse 10.3 release notes....
Older Intel Graphics Chips
Older Intel graphics chips are supported by two drivers ( "i810" and "intel" ). The intel driver is the default on openSUSE 10.3 due to the high demand for features like native mode setting (no longer VESA BIOS based) and RANDR 1.2 support.
When updating to openSUSE 10.3, the i810 driver is not exchanged with the intel driver. Use "sax2 -r" to switch to the intel driver.
The intel driver is still not as stable as i810; use "sax2 -r -m 0=i810" to switch back to i810, if you encounter problems that did not occur previously with the i810 driver. In those cases, consider to open a bug report against the intel driver.
148 • DW Misleading people about openSUSE (by suse_fan on 2008-03-27 03:07:34 GMT from United States)
I do not like the fact that on the openSUSE page the cost of the distro is listed at $60 when in fact the distro is FREE and ONLY cost money if you want a nice pretty box, DVD and Manual!
I think that could sway people away from openSUSE who are wanting a free (as in gratis) distro.
Just my $0.02
149 • 148 So is Mandriva (by dbrion on 2008-03-27 06:23:01 GMT from France)
Which makes one wonder whether announcers (who sell at 1/10 the "price") have stolen "commercial" distrs, or whether only the maximum price is displayed (which is not fully misleading).
150 • RE 146 Sys "linux" vs serious distributions (by dbrion on 2008-03-27 06:31:07 GMT from France)
" always the same people which asks the same thing again.
That is because
a) info about the originality (if any) and quality (if any) of a distro are relevant
b) the fact that , in the case of *your* (as you ongoingly claim) "linux" , this info are
always and always
*hidden* (just asking the question is a M$ blasphemy)
or messed up with delirious (but sooo funny!!!) posts, is, in itself, very interesting..
151 • knoppix (by Anonymous on 2008-03-27 10:14:31 GMT from Australia)
Knoppix is out there. It was released via bittorrent today. I got it and it is great. Booting from the dvd and running it is faster than sidux installed. Sidux is fast but knoppix installed to hard drive screams.
152 • RE: 151 (by IMQ on 2008-03-27 18:47:41 GMT from United States)
>> Booting from the dvd and running it is faster than sidux installed.
You must be joking!
There is no way a Live Knoppix CD/DVD can run faster than sidux installed. Unless you got a boat load of RAM and the Live CD/DVD run from RAM.
153 • Knoppix (by RollMeAway on 2008-03-27 19:18:05 GMT from United States)
As I am too ignorant to use the German version,
can you give us a link to an English torrent?
154 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-03-27 19:54:53 GMT from Canada)
oh sidux fan - take a pill to chill
knoppix installed to hard drive screams.
Im sure that the comment referred to hard drive install comparisons
fanboi/girl ism is not a good look
155 • Knoppix English torrent (by RollMeAway on 2008-03-27 20:38:02 GMT from United States)
My heart belongs to NO distro.
156 • make love, not flamewar (by BlueShadow on 2008-03-27 22:25:28 GMT from Germany)
"Im sure that the comment referred to hard drive install comparisons"
OK, my english is not very good, but can a sentence like
"Booting from the dvd and running it is faster than sidux installed" really refer to hard drive install comparisons?
So please do not such prejudices like "fanboy/girlism" (which i would consider as a big insult if someone would say that about me) before it is clear what was really meant.
157 • re #152 (by Anonymous on 2008-03-27 22:27:53 GMT from Australia)
On knoppix. Nothing special about my box. AMD 64bit dual core cpu and 1gb dual channel ram. Knoppix 5.1 (previous version) just running from the DVD was average in booting and not as fast as e.g. Sidux. But installed to hard drive it was the fastest distro I have installed as far as the full size distro's go. Smaller ones like puppy and activex are like bolts of lightening.
I have installed and run sidux, knoppix, pure debian, mepis & PClinusOS. I play with a lot of others on a p4 test box. Outside of knoppix, on my machine, sidux would come 2nd in the boot-up speed stakes. It is average and comparable to mepis in performance. Pure debian leaves both sidux and mepis in its dust trail for performance and speed.
When I say speed I refer to the response times in opening applications and how they perform. I set up all distro's exactly the same.
In this regard, knoppix 5.3 just screams and even my pure debian which I simply love even comes 2nd to it.
But knoppix installed to hard drive is not recommended by knoppix. It was & is designed as a live system, but can be installed. (as root in a terminal knoppix-installer). But it sure is good and fun.
No fanboyism here. All linuxen are good in a relative sense. This is my experience on my box. All computers are different as are users. What works for one may not work for the other.
158 • RE: 157 (by IMQ on 2008-03-28 00:21:50 GMT from United States)
Thanks for clearing that up.
I was in disagreement with what you said in previous post about knoppix dvd running faster than sidux installed.
However, knoppix installed is a different scenario, so yeah, I can see it being more responsive than any other distros. I can't dispute this claim since I don't install Knoppix and usually use it as LiveCD for rescueing purpose.
I am not a fan boy to any flavor of distro out there. I just like to play with many whenever I can. :)
159 • edit re #157 (by Anonymous on 2008-03-28 01:02:10 GMT from Australia)
edit for my post#157
I typed activex, I meant Nimblex. Nimblex is a fast little distro and is easy to remaster or make your own. My apologies to the Nimblex community.
Activex is a Windows IE nasty. I was debugging an infected Windows machine at the time and had a bit of brain fade and lack of coffee when I posted.
Thanks for your feedback. If you have a spare partition 15+gb (it is a huge install) to spare then give it a go. You can also remaster it into whatever you want. There are knoppix remastering guides available if you google them up.
Of course in the mainstream an installed distro will usully perform better than one running live. But comparing apples with apples, knoppix live is faster than sidux live and knoppix installed is faster than sidux installed. At least on my setup.
160 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-03-28 01:47:50 GMT from United States)
> Activex is a Windows IE nasty.
I owe a lot to ActiveX. It's right around the fifth anniversary of an ugly spyware infection that made the IT guys reinstall XP for me. It took two weeks to get all of the proprietary software back up and running.
It was at that time that I realized how beautiful open source software was. That was running a couple hours after my reinstall.
I started to look at Linux again, having tried and failed a few years earlier, due to the great difficulty of getting it to run.
Then the early versions of Firefox came out. I could be wrong, but I think it was actually called Firebird at that time. When the IT guys said the problem was that ActiveX was enabled by default, and Microsoft knew the security problems but didn't care, I wanted in the worst way to get away from Microsoft. Firefox was my first step. I've hardly used IE since then.
I used Red Hat and Fedora sometimes, but package management was horrible, so I mostly stayed with XP. I tried the first release of Ubuntu and it didn't take long for the Windows partition to sit idle for weeks at a time. By 2005 I was a full-time Linux user booting into Windows only long enough to get a file or run legacy software that had not been converted.
Well, a little off topic, but I am so thankful for ActiveX. It really was the best thing to happen to me, at least as far as computing goes.
161 • acid3 browser tests... (by JAG on 2008-03-28 02:25:06 GMT from United States)
Hey guys, check this out...!!!
162 • Here's the test link... (by JAG on 2008-03-28 02:27:18 GMT from United States)
163 • Knoppix (by Alex on 2008-03-28 09:37:57 GMT from Australia)
Its nice to see this release of Knoppix. I haven't used linux for ages, but knoppix was was my first distro back in ' 05. Good times :)
164 • What is going on with PCLOS, anyway? (by dialup on 2008-03-28 09:47:17 GMT from United States)
Yes, I know, "It will be released when it's ready." But, any ideas about what "it" will be?
There was the new MiniMe , but it appeared to be a stop-gap and On-disk is no longer selling the CD. Puzzling because (after 6 months) a new set of repository dvds went on sale at the end of February. Or were they primarily to use to update the new(er) Gnome release?
I have browsed the forums and didn't see anything about an upcoming release. Nor about KDE4: would think it would be too late to do one based on KDE3.
165 • SYS (by werner, cayenne on 2008-03-28 13:33:17 GMT from France)
ref 150: ??
I gave short anounces about my SYS Linux, at the first time I also gave a resume of its tecnical characteristics and filisofy and that I don't need to repeat on each new version. More details can be read on the softpedia page:
And more details here I gave essentially because of someone asked. All this is in an objective, adequadely short or long form, nor needs to be repeated steady-steady when the same person asks or comments always the same about it.
166 • RE 165 : "short anounces-sic-" Quelle bouffonerie!!! (by dbrion on 2008-03-28 14:15:13 GMT from France)
Continuez de faire le pitre ... ou comptez le nombre de lignes qui ont gratifié cette page...
Pouvez vous répondre par OUI ou NON à 2 questions:
1) ,*VOTRE* distribution est elle originale?2
2) A-t-elle des un contrôle de qualité? des méthodes (pas du bratin fumeux, des méthodes RIGOUREUSES -casse que j'emprunte à *vos* posts, riches en info cohérente....-
Au fait, comme votre "linux" est totalement hors sujet, je ne vois pas d'inconvénient à lire vos réponses ... en Allemand ou Brésilien (pays où les critères d'attribution de minima sociaux sont plus stricts qu'en France, selon un de vos "posts"!)
167 • sidux (by texasmike on 2008-03-29 11:01:04 GMT from United States)
I just installed sidux a week or so ago. What a great distro. Very fast and stable! The forum is very friendly and helpful. If you are a Debian person, I would highly recommend giving sidux a try.
168 • Can you help me out? (by Ramseize on 2008-03-29 19:45:58 GMT from Philippines)
im looking for a distro that has the capability to boot natively in usb and also run in qemu...
169 • Ramsize usb qemu (by Knifemonkey on 2008-03-30 02:26:35 GMT from New Zealand)
sidux can do both of those things, the sidux-installer from the live cd can copy intself to a usb device or install the operating system to that usb device and run nativley. It can also run and be run inside of, qemu. Qemu does not come included, it needs to be installed.
Anyway, i'm still using sidux, i'm getting tired of people who use an operating system just so that they can bash it, or compare it to their favourite distro saying 'yeah but this one is better because it can do this and it doesnt do this' or whatever, like someone posted earlier, if you take and give critisism so freely you might as well be staring at bios, or that blinking cursor just after bios, or use a pencil, because that is the only way that some people can be satisfied. But lmao then it will probably be "why is this pencil lead 2b not 1a?' or 'why isnt that blinking cursor thingy green?' omg seriously if you cannot keep an open mind then why bother getting out of bed in the morning! Ultimately, I think that there is a better person inside of everyone, yeah I know corney as all hell but seriously, if you at least had the open mindedness to try linux then you can at least extend that free and constructive thinking towards the developers who are working hard everyday just for you guys to make linux even better than it was already. the first warning that should come with linux should be this: if you don't have an open-mind then you are wasting yours and other peoples time and energy with open-source software.
PEACE AND RESPECT!
170 • linux and usb (by glyj on 2008-03-30 08:18:28 GMT from France)
mandriva flash is a good solution as the distro is tweaked to limit acesses to the usb device, this increase the life of the device.
In fact, they use a compressed image of the distro among other thing.
You also have damn small linux: dsl.org ? dsl.com ? i don't remember the exact name.
PS: I'm back to france .... :-(
171 • back to france (by arno911 on 2008-03-30 11:44:29 GMT from Germany)
lol is france really that bad?
ok, the language is, for sure.
but what a beautiful landscape! and the food... mhhhh.
172 • RE 168 : Ramsize, usb and qemu. (by dbrion on 2008-03-30 15:08:33 GMT from France)
The best way to find it, and that it makes you happy, is to look for/ then test *any* usb fitted (this is the bottle neck) distro, as qemu supports almost any distr. Perhaps I am a little redundant, and you know already that qemu needs a desktop to be launched (ie : tons of RAM, nowadays)+ ca 15M => the remaining RAM (if any....) is for the guest system, which makes DSL -I happily tested-(and likewise MCN, this is very near from Mandriva Flash, and TinyMe) interesting (perhaps, if you are interested in compiling and making complicated things, could you try detaolb - detaolb.sourceforge.net/ -....
Another point : qemu accelerator was somewhat buggy last year.... and unacceleated qemu is slow (I compared native and qemulated execution times of the same soft (only CPU) and noticed a 1/15 ratio with qemu 1.9.1). Have a nice Sunday.
RE 169 : I never "use an operating system just so that " I " can bash it"...That would be irrational (like trying cholera, diphteria ... and duly bashing them), as there are reviews and tests made by very competent people (and I would look irrational if I whined!)....I look _before_ downloading whether it has some value ( fanbois and, in pathological cases, "authors" can convince me *not* to download/buy it among hundreds).
One very nice side/aspect of Sidux (you will never know whether I tried it or not), in this week's interview, was the fact that bugs, once detected, are reported to their mother distro *and* upstream, which makes the future of any user (not only Sidux/Debian users) brighter....
173 • Sidux is not fast (by Bedbug on 2008-03-30 15:24:55 GMT from Canada)
Other than the latest packages it is not a screaming fast distro like everyone says. They are probably just using the latest cpu. If you want to find a fast distro, start with an old or lower ghz cpu and go from there.
174 • Sorry for qemu numerology (by Anonymous on 2008-03-30 15:26:52 GMT from France)
s/qemu 1.9.1/qemu 0.9.1/
175 • SYS (by werner on 2008-03-30 16:30:10 GMT from France)
1) What's in Linux 'original' and what distro is 'original' ? What's the whole manner of function of open-source and its development ? For SYS iself adjust,compile,packaging the kernel, glibc, all relevant packages. Also it has its own install and some admin programs what i programmed. This many other distros don't have, f.ex. ude kernels of others or packages of Debian.
2) Whom want you who 'control' the quality of distros ? Microsaft ?? Be glad that in open-source we dont have such 'controllers' - although some people or sites try to usurpate such function. All progs what I compile and pack, downloadable on my site copaya.yi.org/tgz , Iself use imediately on my own server , and on a next computer, and also neighbours and friende use it, thus Im in cloce contact with many users and when there's any problem I see it quickly and repair it. What better quality control has than this ?? In opposite to some 'developers' or professional system managers which on their own computer at hime use W$ ... or distros which for the server for download their packages or .iso 's use Debian or Red Hat - anything like them own distro. Watch here, on my server is running my own distro, inclusive the newest kernel: cf copaya.yi.org/info.php .
Try stay objective when you expect be considered as serious !
176 • @175 (by john frey on 2008-03-31 00:38:28 GMT from Canada)
"ref #165" That's your own comment. Brilliant, now your arguing with yourself. Next step would be to do it on your own website or just on your own computer and relieve the rest of us from your incomprehensible english posts.
177 • Hypothesis to test with Mined distrowatch data - Ubuntu priming (by none whatsover on 2008-03-31 01:58:02 GMT from United States)
I am extremely interested to see if there is a pattern when Shuttleworth first started Ubuntu where an automated means was used to boost Ubuntu in the Distrowatch page hit rankings. This automated means, including the possible use of paid contractors to use software that generated random IP addresses to hit distrowatch, may show a distinct pattern by country similar to the location of the paid contractors used in the distribution.
For example, a clever program could be programmed to have each machine vote once on a DSL/Cable modem connection, then reconnect to get a different IP address, and then vote again. This could easily be repeated per machine 15 times per hour. By restricting the amount of voting to only, lets say 25 times per day by 40 employees, it might not have been readily apparent to Ladislav when the first 1000 hits per day appeared. By then, the effect may well have spread to "organic" (real page hits) by third party non-contractors. And of course, if a link in the start menu of a small portion of Ubuntu browsers, or ambiguous documentation that recommended one search for packages using distrowatch was included, each new user could be induced to register one or more page hits per day without even knowing it.
This combined with the clear paid guerilla marketing (I saw Benjamin Mako Smith do a paid appearance as an Ubuntu employee where he pushed the distribution), paid media placement (not adverts, but where a media marketing firm arranges to have articles printed about a company), and the "free disk" marketing could have served to bring Canonical's "non-profit" affiliate Ubuntu into the lead, which since then it has not relinquished. This was "priming the pump" and earned Ubuntu the Dell contract, thus realizing the return on investment.
How about a better analysis of the transformation period of the six months prior to when Ubuntu took the lead from Mandriva. This would be interesting.
178 • Dreamlinux v3 (by Chris on 2008-03-31 04:07:35 GMT from United States)
Dreamlinux v3 final release is now available.
You can start
by following the release announcement link
for v3 beta 3.
That will take you to their forum.
Available by torrent and direct download.
I've got mine.
179 • Nice to see sidux get some press. (by Fractalguy on 2008-03-31 05:21:26 GMT from United States)
I've been moving to and using sidux as my main distro since Tartaros. On another box here - P450 - I had Kubuntu for a while. Finally its video card died so I put in another old one. The family complained about Kubuntu so I tried sidux as live CD. To my surprise, it worked well on that old box, so I installed it.
With my computers dieing right and left, my main sidux box (formerly PCLinuxOS 2K4) is now the only one still going and just barely.
I will say, sidux is FAST and even more so when I run fluxbox on it. Of the 80+ distros I've tried, sidux seems best for me. :)
180 • RE 175 (hope it is the right number) (by dbrion on 2008-03-31 06:36:11 GMT from France)
"Whom want you who 'control' the quality of distros ? Microsaft ?? Be glad that in open-source we dont have such 'controllers' - although some people or sites try to usurpate such function. All progs what I compile and pack, downloadable on my site copaya.yi.org/tgz"
Je note tout d'abord que vous ne savez pas répondre par oui ou non, et que vos échappatoires .... servent à vous enfoncer encore plus....
Je suis très heureux que Redhat, Debian et des dizaines d'autres Linux sérieux
* rendent compte et
*corrigent des bugs... et que les distributeurs normaux vérifient, autant que faire se peut, que ce qu'ils livrent n'est , ni trop buggué, ni susceptible d'incompatibilités fâcheuses (d'où une extrême méfiance vis à vis de gros tas mal testés: un individu a tout intéret, tout comme ses utilisateurs, à faire petit,intelligent ... et original))....
D'un autre côté, vous devriez sérieusement vous demander si
*traiter les autres distributeurs de mauvais (ce, sur la foi de distributions alpha -cas de Mandrivel en janvier 2008, dans un de vos très nombreus posts- ou d eSuze -CD de démonstration préliminaire-) et
ceux qui ne chantent pas vos louanges de
** ripoux corrompus (cette semaine, cas de la liste d'attente de DW) ou de
** suppôts de Microsoft -ce dont je suis par ailleurs très fier d'être ou de devenir, quand je vous lis-
peut arranger vos affaires....
@176 175 was an lengthty "answer" to a question who just ....needed a Yes/ No answer....Why should things be made simple as one can make them ... complicated and ununderstable?
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