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1 • Knoppix Knostalgia (by Mark W. Tomlinson on 2007-08-06 10:16:50 GMT from United States)
(Sorry, couldn't resist the subject line...)
I've used Knoppix to recover from many self-inflicted oopses and to recover data from otherwise unbootable machines. I still keep a copy of version 3.9 handy.
2 • Archlinux (by Slimmer on 2007-08-06 10:23:23 GMT from Bulgaria)
Keep up the good job, archies! Great distro.
3 • MEPIS back to Debian (by CeVO on 2007-08-06 10:36:45 GMT from Spain)
What a joy! I tried the prebeta, both 32 and 64 bits. The cosmetics look the same, but the underlying system has changed quite a bit. For an early alpha release, the system already performs wonderfully, with ALL hardware working.
I use Linux on the desktop professionally, so the new MEPIS concept is extremely alluring. A very stable Debian base, kept up to date with new apps from the MEPIS pools for at least 2 years. And if I understand correctly, even core components like KDE or the kernel can be upgraded once they are stable enough.
This is what SHOULD have been done in the 'buntu Long Term Support, and what WILL be done by MEPIS. Stability and incremental upgrades.
And if you like to walk the tight rope, you can always ugrade from Lenny or Sid. The possibilities.....
4 • Medison (by Saoul Bellow on 2007-08-06 10:41:40 GMT from Sweden)
According to this article http://computersweden.idg.se/2.2683/1.115391 shipping is not included in the medison celebrity offer ($150).
5 • Automatix not required. (by Nikoolinux on 2007-08-06 11:00:36 GMT from France)
Just to say that I only very recently heard about the existence of Automatix, and that it isn't necessary at all.
To have all codecs and libs required to watch DVD, listen mp3, etc...
Just add the medibuntu, universe and multiverse repositories like mentionned everywhere....
6 • Linux laptops (by CombatWombat on 2007-08-06 11:01:31 GMT from New Zealand)
Congratulations to Medison. I see they set up a factory in Brazil last year for these laptops, expecting to get them out late '07. Well done for timing, and specs for these machines, I just hope that you are able to fulfill the number of orders you get!
7 • Proving once again that Mepis doesn't know what they're doing (by CzarChasm on 2007-08-06 11:09:56 GMT from United States)
Debian Unstable / Ubuntu / Debian again... This guy Warren is nuts.
What's next - in 6 months Mepis is now based on Gentoo, running a 2.4 kernel?
Pick something _stable_ and stay with it already.
8 • #7 - What proof (by CeVO on 2007-08-06 11:27:17 GMT from Spain)
You can also argue that it is the other way round. From what I read, Warren was told that Ubuntu LTS meant something different than what it actually is. What it is, is nothing more than a frozen repo that only allows bug fixes in. Quite a joke to expect people to keep working with Firefox 1.5 for three years....
Instead of trying to bend the Ubuntu way, Warren has now thought of a mix that will supply what the users want. If that is nuts, so be it. I for one think, if anything, it has been a well considered decision. And judging from the reactions throughout, most people applaud it.
Calling someone nuts just because you don't (want to) understand the underlying reasons for a certain move is a bit myopic, don't you think?
9 • archLinux, Gentoo (by Arijit on 2007-08-06 11:33:13 GMT from India)
Congrats Arch developers. I really love this distro. Month ago, I switched from Ubuntu to Arch and till date not a single problem occurred. Rock solid distro and easy to use for a 6-month newbie like me(thats my honest opinion).
It seems Gentoo will be back with a bang. Keeping my fingers crossed. :)
I don't want to miss my fav distro.
10 • Knoppix Nostalgia, K. Carmony, Latin America... (by Caraibes on 2007-08-06 11:34:11 GMT from Dominican Republic)
Indeed, Knoppix was my first Linux ever... 2003 was the year... Early 2004 too... I was stuck on dial-up... A friend gave me a copy of Knoppix 3.4... I was so impressed !!! But I was also so frustrated that my "#$%&*@@ Winmodem never ever worked !!!
It took me finally the time to download (with dial-up !!!) Mepis 3.3.1 to install it and using dial-up, because it had the Winmodem drivers out of the box...
Then, when I could get ADSL, I started to heavily distro-hop, until finally settleling with Fedora & Debian...
As of Kevin Carmony, the guy was going downhill with all those trendy announcements... He completely failed to deliver anything he ever promised... There was NEVER a stable Freespire !!! There was NEVER CNR for other distros !!! We only saw him doing "under the table" niceness to Steve Balmer !!! Linspire is simply worthless and uninteresting...
Now, as of the Latin America numbers, I am glad to see the Dominican Republic at number 11, with a growth of 9.3%... Too bad you didn't mention Haiti (my vacation destination !!!), when I go there, I use (of course) FLOSS on the PC's... But as I can understand, the numbers in Haiti are surely very low due to under-development...
11 • automatix (by Arijit on 2007-08-06 11:36:02 GMT from India)
I stopped using Ubuntu because it was giving me troubles. I think that was due to automatix. I used to use it heavily. :)
12 • *parted* and Mepis (by KimTjik on 2007-08-06 11:41:32 GMT from Sweden)
GParted has always been in my tool-box. If GParted's future is in danger then it's good to know that Partedmagic is equally good with some extras. I hope however that Partedmagic will include support for different keyboards, but most tasks are on the other hand of a click-click nature so it might not matter much.
Mepis change back to Debian: I think it makes a lot of sense. Since Mepis is a distinct distro with its own approach it must be easier to have a base which continues to be more predictable and "clean". It's easy to with hindsight argue that the change to Ubuntu was a mistake in the first place, but a lot looked very different in those days (uncertainties about Debian and how Ubuntu gained momentum).
13 • RE: 10 Haiti (by ladislav on 2007-08-06 11:42:17 GMT from Taiwan)
There are only 26 visits from Haiti over the first seven months of 2007, down from 68 over the same period in 2006. Not much to write home about ;-)
14 • Re:13, Haiti (by Caraibes on 2007-08-06 12:19:20 GMT from Dominican Republic)
I guess half of those visits were from me (I was there in june...)
15 • Knoppix Knostalgia (by cip60 on 2007-08-06 12:23:35 GMT from Germany)
Klaus Knopper's current barrier free Linux project ADRIANE is named after his wife - and she is blind. Maybe there are some privat reasons why he is pushing the ADRIANE project development and Knoppix has to take a step down.
Just a thought.
Regards,
Chip60, Germany
16 • Medison (by Andreas Lundin on 2007-08-06 12:31:51 GMT from United States)
The general consensus in tech circles in Sweden seems to be that Medison is either a scam or a company that will fail to deliver. A combination of the fact that is started very recently, the owner has several other companies that aren't doing so well, the image of the computer was taken from another website, they had fake ads from a large swedish telecom.
So, order at your own risk.
17 • The Medison Hoax (by Béranger on 2007-08-06 12:32:46 GMT from Romania)
The picture from http://computersweden.idg.se/2.2683/1.115391 shows a first-class laptop, with webcam, touchpad, etc., and it doesn't look like they would like to save a buck not even on the frontal LEDs! If this is not the biggest hoax of the decade, then I dunno what it is!
18 • Haiti (by Chris Hildebrandt on 2007-08-06 12:35:03 GMT from Austria)
Well, we urgently need to pack a box of sidux CDs and send to my wife's familiy in Port-aux-Prince for further distribution .. ;-)
19 • Knoppix future (by Bob GIlbertson on 2007-08-06 12:43:38 GMT from United States)
I too miss the regular Knoppix releases, thought it was the coolest thing to boot an OS from a CD. However I think Klaus' shift can be very positive, and given his wife's vision impairment, understand his personal interest in Adraine Linux.
One of the objections raised during the Massachusetts ODF debate was handicap access in OO. Lack of handicap access may be a deal killer for businesses considering Linux and Klaus' work on Adraine may advance Linux much more than more LiveCDs.
20 • Re:18, Haiti (by Caraibes on 2007-08-06 12:49:27 GMT from Dominican Republic)
Well, this tropical penguin is a part-time Cap-Haitien (Labadie) resident ! I wish more FLOSS in Haiti, but the list of my wishes for Haiti is so long, that my expectatives are lower...
21 • Handicap access : what about blind _and_ deaf? (by dbrion on 2007-08-06 12:52:43 GMT from France)
Un malheur n'arrive jamais seul..
Instead of having only a speaking (or singing , as a Puppy variant claimed last week), perhaps it would be the time for innovating HW:
I first think of rock-solid, centuries challenging Hollerith punched cards.. Results in the states could be reproduced without any contestation 4 years later.
There is a distribution called Pioneer; perhaps a Apaxes distr, based on nice smelling smoke signal, would be welcome. Even for seing people, when one gets a monochrome screen, I think smoke signals could be reassuring....
22 • my favorite is SystemRescueCd (by Anonymous on 2007-08-06 13:07:28 GMT from Canada)
SystemRescueCd is a Linux system on a bootable CD-ROM for repairing your system and recovering your data after a crash. It aims to provide an easy way to carry out admin tasks on your computer, such as creating and editing the partitions of the hard disk. It contains a lot of system utilities (parted, partimage, fstools, Ntfs3g...) and basic tools (editors, midnight commander, network tools). It is very easy to use: just boot the CDROM. The kernel supports most of the important file systems (ext2/ext3, reiserfs, reiser4, xfs, jfs, vfat, ntfs, iso9660), as well as network filesystems (samba and nfs).
http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
23 • Archlinux (by Anonymous on 2007-08-06 13:15:46 GMT from Canada)
Good to see another Archlinux review. Archlinux evolution is very fast these time, so I think it's time for a review on DWW !
24 • MEPIS and Debian (by AdrianTM on 2007-08-06 13:36:19 GMT from United States)
"It's easy to with hindsight argue that the change to Ubuntu was a mistake in the first place, but a lot looked very different in those days (uncertainties about Debian and how Ubuntu gained momentum)."
Actually it was not a mistake, it made sense at that time, just as now it makes sense to move back to Debian. Many people were upset about the change to Ubuntu, but that gave a stable base if you compare with Debian Testing or Sid, however in the meantime "stable" turned to "stale" and in the sane time Debian put its act together and launched an excelent Etch, therefore moving back to Debian makes complete sense NOW, just as moving to Ubuntu made sense THEN.
25 • Klikit (by Harry on 2007-08-06 13:39:14 GMT from United States)
I have downloaded Klikit Linux, twice. It says it is a DVD, so I fire up Nero to burn to a DVD and Nero tells me I need a CDR-RW. I put in a CDR and there is not enough room on the CD. Hard to check out a live CD if you can't get it to burn.
26 • RE 25 "Hard to check out a live CD if you can't get it to burn." (by dbrion on 2007-08-06 13:46:25 GMT from France)
Try to emulate it with VirtualBox (very easy to install and to run), VMplayer (very fast) or qemu (full GPL) or....
You will spend less money on burning/ binning CDs.. and at least see whether it is comfortable for you (for full HW recognition, one needs of couse to burn it, but emulation can be used to select before)
Like every good free software (and Nero), emulation applications are all Windows-ported....
27 • Kevin Carmony has resigned (by gabbman on 2007-08-06 14:09:03 GMT from Canada)
I never could figure out why they needed a captain on a sinking boat.
28 • Colours (by js72 on 2007-08-06 14:09:18 GMT from Finland)
Ubuntu=brown Mandrake=blue RedHat=red and finally SuSE=GREEN! thats the way i like it!
29 • http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/08/06/lenovo.thinkpad.linux/ (by Max on 2007-08-06 14:33:07 GMT from Australia)
http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/08/06/lenovo.thinkpad.linux/
30 • Automatix (by Anonymous on 2007-08-06 14:34:57 GMT from United States)
Has Ubuntu (or anyone else) done a similar analysis of "Easy Ubuntu", http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ? I used it to update my XUbuntu box a year or so ago, and it seemed to work great. I need to reinstall XUbuntu (old computer died), and was choosing between Automatix and EasyUbuntu.
31 • No subject (by tonyko on 2007-08-06 14:35:13 GMT from Romania)
For anyone who still believes that the Medison laptop is real - check out this site:
http://www.medisonscam.info
And, btw, a laptop for $150 - doesn't that sound too good to be true ?
32 • RE: 24 I agree... (by KimTjik on 2007-08-06 14:38:53 GMT from Sweden)
Thanks for making that clear. Actually I agree even though my own post might indicate the opposite.
dbrion: Xen is still not ported to Windows, even though Windows might run as a guest, and I don't know if it ever will.
33 • RE 32 Comme d'habitude, votre reponse est malhonnête (by dbrion on 2007-08-06 14:46:56 GMT from France)
Xen est compliqué à mettre en oeuvre, et ne permet pas des tests rapides pour un
.... live CD!
Il subsiste 3 (sur 4; quel pinaillage de fanatique linuxien irreflechi!!!!!)emulateurs, parfaitement utilisables.
Au fait, la semaine dernière, Fedora a fait des stats par type d'ordinateur. Les constructeurs (HP) comptaient pour un type, de même que les émulateurs (PC virtuels sous VMplayer). Quel était le type de PC le plus employé pour faire tourner Fédora?
Quel était le système stable, solide sous-jacent aux 'VMplayed PC'?
34 • Re: 25 (by Eric Chapman on 2007-08-06 14:47:19 GMT from United Kingdom)
The Klikit DVD is nearly 800 MB so it's obviously too big for a CD. I suggest that you use a different burning program which doesn't make this error.
35 • RE 32 - Sorry but it wasn't any critizism (by KimTjik on 2007-08-06 15:12:36 GMT from Sweden)
You're absolutely right dbrion, Xen is a different creature in every aspect. I didn't point a finger at you, and it wasn't in reference to the question about a Live-CD (Klikit is both a Live-CD and hardware installation CD); it was just a piece of information you already know.
36 • LapTop! (by biomega on 2007-08-06 15:27:18 GMT from Mexico)
Wow, I've been looking for a lap top offer since a lot of time!!!!!!!!! is just excelent!
37 • Cuba stats (by Speedoo on 2007-08-06 15:31:17 GMT from United States)
Looks like Castro the younger has "neutralized" about 500
internet users.
38 • Distrowatch deleting comments (by anon on 2007-08-06 15:31:17 GMT from United States)
I was surprised to see that my comment (which was the first in the list) was deleted. All I said was something like "A DW that doesn't have ubuntu in every sentence. I'm surprised".
Now I know that this second-rate site is run by ubuntu fanboys, that's the only way ubuntu has stayed on top for so long. I won't be surprised when this comment is deleted too.
39 • Mepis back to debian-base (by tom on 2007-08-06 15:38:03 GMT from Austria)
I agree with most of you guys that it should be a really big step in the right direction, as long as they stay with that base now for a reasonable time (couple of years). Which i hope and would be really happy about.
I remember having Mepis 3.3 on my (even back then) OLD thinkpad and everything worked out of the box, felt snappy and stayed rock-solid despite me hopping from mepis to debian testing to unstable to testing again. *sigh* good times
OTOH, debian's graphic installer and config utilities have evolved quite a bit user-friendliness-wise, haven't they?
Any recent show-stopping experiences from any of you concerning installing and configuring Etch or Lenny?
Anyways, thanks Ladislav for the update and have a great day (or night?)!
40 • Knoppix (by UZ64 on 2007-08-06 15:40:28 GMT from United States)
Knoppix was one of the very first distros I tried, which helped me to get into Linux in the first place, and taught me quite a bit about the basics that I know now. Simply burning a CD, rebooting, and being in a full Linux environment within minutes where I have a Web browser with access to the Internet (for help, commands, etc.) as well as Konsole really helped me out. I didn't really know that much about the different desktop environments and window managers at the time (and I'm still learning), but having a familiar environment [KDE] (as a Windows user) with various Linux programs to get the feel for using was also an extremely helpful learning experience.
I remember being in awe reading through the distro's changelogs (previously, the changelogs I read were of individual programs), amazed at all the progress in such a short period of time, in comparison to the Windows release cycle I've been so used to. Since my first encounters in Linux, my interest in where software (and especially, operating systems) are going back up, like they were when I got my first PC (with Win95). Really, the DistroWatch slogan--"Put the fun back into computing"--couldn't be any more accurate. :)
Unfortunately, there are a few programs I really liked in Windows, and will keep Windows around (though virtually untouched for the most part) for my urge to see how my past-favorite Windows media players and other software have been progressing, and I've pretty much sworn not to change from Exact Audio Copy to rip CDs, until I learn more about CD ripping in Linux in general.
41 • Gpartted warning! (by callum on 2007-08-06 15:53:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
whatever you do, make sure that if you are using the new GParted CD with a laptop that you switch off the hibernate funcitonality in the bios and also make sure you switch off the "lid down suspend" functionality because GParted will not recover.
I lost my NTFS windows XP partition on a new laptop when i closed the lid whilst it was resizing (to stop the cats walking on it!) - anyway, it was all good news in the end because I thought "why am I actually keeping windows anyway? I've not used it in 6 years."
callum
IBM X41 & Fedora 7
42 • Knoppix Knostalgia (by JimK on 2007-08-06 16:00:33 GMT from United States)
I keep an old Knoppix 3.7 CD handy because it has fprot antivirus built in. Whenever a friend's windows machine gets pwned, I just boot the Knoppix CD, update the fprot database and scan.
43 • Qu 39 Have you tried Skolelinux? It seems very simple. (by dbrion on 2007-08-06 16:15:09 GMT from France)
"OTOH, debian's graphic installer and config utilities have evolved quite a bit user-friendliness-wise, haven't they?
"
It is also called Debian-edu, I think it is a partial selection of Debian packages, and it is meant for schools (......um!!!):
as teachers may be isolated and not gifted for installing (that is not their job), installation has been made very simple and intuitive (I vmplayed her without any problem, except that root seems to be the default user on the "light client": I just added another user , to remain classical [perhaps I had made a mistake].... This was the only flaw I saw, of course, not on real HW).
Adding new applications was very easy (with gdebi), and it is lighter (and perhaps more user oriented, I do not know) than native debians....
44 • Wolvix 1.1.0 LiveCD (by Richard-S on 2007-08-06 16:32:27 GMT from United Kingdom)
Nice set of applications; boots & runs my PC (AMD64 3200+, Radeon 200, 1GB RAM). Wolvix Hunter replays most of the common types of multi-media on the web. However, I can't get CUPs printing to work from this LiveCD to my Epson Color Stylus 860 parallel port connected printer.
The "Hunter" & the "Cub" LiveCDs both fail to boot within my VirtualBox 1.4.0
If printing worked, Wolvix Hunter would meet most of my needs: Nice Distro.
45 • #41 GPARTED warning (by glenn on 2007-08-06 16:35:50 GMT from Canada)
Good point you raised.
I also make sure the Virus check in the BIOS is disabled. There may be some partitioning.code affected which can help mess up the partitioning process. This did not happen to me but I did read about it and decided to err on the side of caution. It does make sense.
glenn
46 • Puppy 2.17.1 LiveCD (by Richard-S on 2007-08-06 16:43:57 GMT from United Kingdom)
After a little "fiddling" this boots & runs my PC. It's very fast. This Puppy does replay Flash and MP3 files, but not "Real" files. This means that it doesn't work with the BBC's popular "Listen Again" web service for radio programs.
Sadly, this version will not boot within my VirtualBox 1.4.0
47 • re: Wolvix 1.1.0 LiveCD (by Wolven on 2007-08-06 16:44:42 GMT from Norway)
Hello Richard.
Not sure what the problem with VirtualBox is, but perhaps we can help you out if you post in our forums, or join us on IRC. I've got a friendly user who's got some experience with Wolvix and VB.
As for the printing problems. It might be that you need the 'gutenprint' package. It's huge, so I don't have room for it on the ISO, but if the gutenprint drivers works for you, I can help you re-master the ISO to include it.
Drop by the forums or the IRC channel and we'll try to resolve the problems.
Thanks for the mention in DistroWatch Weekly Ladislav.
Cheers!
-Wolven
48 • Mepis (by voislav on 2007-08-06 16:52:33 GMT from Canada)
I for one welcome our new Debian overlords! I have to say that the switch to Debian was long overdue, a lot of people I've talked to agree that Ubuntu has been treating the versions since Dapper in a bit of a beta fashion, where stability was secondary to having all the bells. I'm looking forward to testing the new 7.0, but I'll wait until the beta stage, since I don't have as much time as I used to.
49 • MEPIS and Debian (by GL on 2007-08-06 17:05:39 GMT from United States)
I hope that a new Debian-based MEPIS will partially address a big void in Debian's lineup, namely, the lack of a full-blown live CD. This certainly has negatively impacted Debian's popularity. Potential users cannot download and burn an Etch ISO to quickly boot and see what a great distro it is. Instead, you are obligated to install Debian, a process that, while not difficult, is not fast and is certainly "hard-drive altering." I am aware of efforts to produce a Debian live CD. In the meantime, I hope that a Debian-based MEPIS will also bring greater interest to Debian itself.
50 • Knoppix, Adriane & Blind Users (by Richard-S on 2007-08-06 17:05:56 GMT from United Kingdom)
Like many here, I've been grateful for Knoppix - one of the most dependable distros, & usable by recent "refugees" from Windows.
However, if Adriane turns into a distro which is easily used by blind folk, especially if it's usable by Linux novices, it will meet a real need.
"Screen-readers" & "screen magnifiers" on Windows are very expensive & troublesome. Users often also need expensive 1:1 training. Maintenance staff also need training.
Mac "Leopard" is rumoured to include better "accessibility."
Valuable work has been done to provide "accessibility" for Linux, but current features are pretty difficult for new users and for the "less technical."
51 • Wolvix (by Sug on 2007-08-06 17:14:52 GMT from United Kingdom)
Just cannot understand why Wolvix languishes so far down in the DW list? And when one gets such a helpful and friendly a public response and offer like that from Wolven, above, one wonders why it isn't top of the heap. Certainly, their latest incarnation is one that has impressed me this year. So many turn out to be a waste of time and effort, overspun by their camp followers. DWW does us all a great service in weeding out many of the imposters, although there's no law compelling Ladislav and his friends from much much more aggressive reviewing.
52 • Re. 47 • re: Wolvix 1.1.0 LiveCD (by Richard-S on 2007-08-06 17:24:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
Thanks for your kind response. I'm more than ready to blame my inexperience, but CUPs normally works for me. It appeared to configure my printer OK but all prints from Wolvix Hunter "aborted." I had of course read your forums & even tried an old CUPs fix found there; now I'll be brave & register in order to post.
53 • Medison Celebrity Laptop (by Anonymous on 2007-08-06 17:38:34 GMT from United States)
This does look like a great deal. But as someone else said, if it seems too good to be true... Over on the engadet.com web site, someone figured out that this may actually be a pyramid scam. If you google for info, be sure to search for the alternate spelling "medeson" as well as "medison".
54 • Medison (by Claus Futtrup on 2007-08-06 18:06:03 GMT from Denmark)
The manager of Medison has claimed he will go for prime minister in Sweden. He is obviously suffering delusions of grandeur.
Ladislav, given your neutral stand in DW I recommend that you put a note below it saying that reader comments has suggested this is a scam. Just as a warning to innocent people.
Best regards,
Claus
55 • 38 (by Anonymous on 2007-08-06 18:21:18 GMT from United States)
*Deleting comments*
Did you see the very last comment in the past Distrowatch Weekly?
Did you see comment 150?
However, if you still look at the past 7 days, PCLinuxOS is no. 1. Ubuntu is no. 2. If I am in error please correct me.
56 • Distros (by wam on 2007-08-06 18:36:25 GMT from United States)
Klikit is one distro that needs to be tried. I love it! Chris has done a wonderful job on it. I do see it going places.
Freespire and Linspire is sinking slowly. I just dont see them around for much longer.
Im glad to see Mepis going back to Debian. Im using Mepis preBeta now and its doing very well.
My favorite distros are Mint, Klikit, PCLinuxOS, and Mepis.
57 • Qu 55 Which numerology? (by dbrion on 2007-08-06 18:42:20 GMT from France)
" PCLinuxOS is no. 1. Ubuntu is no. 2."
AAmen
Are DWW HR (I charitably suppose it is the Sacred Numers you refer to) synonyms of
quality insurance?
intellectual value ?
innovation?
Holyness?Voyez, voyez la machin’ tourner,
Voyez, voyez la cervell’ sauter,
Voyez, voyez les Rentiers trembler ;
(Chœurs) : Hourra, cornes-au-cul, vive le Père Ubu !
(A.Jarry La chanson du décervelage ~1895)
58 • Printer problems with Linux, BIOS setting (comment wrt Wolvix) (by Jan on 2007-08-06 18:47:09 GMT from Netherlands)
I solved my general printer problem under Linux by changing the parallel interface setting in the BIOS-settings (from ECP, ......, to NORMAL).
You could try this.
Regards
Jan O
59 • 49 • MEPIS and Debian (by ikke on 2007-08-06 18:51:08 GMT from Belgium)
"Potential users cannot download and burn an Etch ISO to quickly boot and see what a great distro it is."
Maybe you play with sidux or 64Studio or any other Debian based distribution. And you'll feel ...
60 • Medison Celebrity (by Henry on 2007-08-06 19:30:54 GMT from United Kingdom)
Yet more big-name publicity for the obvious scam of the Medison Celebrity. First Slashdot, now Distrowatch. The Linux community is too easily charmed.
61 • Don't dispair yet about Knoppix (by Gilles Pelletier on 2007-08-06 19:39:22 GMT from Canada)
When Knoppix was developing there was a lot of work to do. That's why there were sometimes new "releases" every second day. Now it has stabilized and it doesn't need so many revisions. But yes, some more work needs to be done in order to bring it front row center again.
First it needs a good installer. Klaus is apparently working hard on it now and it's supposed to be ready for the next release
It also needs multimedia support. Of course, Klaus would prefer if the whole world worked with OS software, and so would I. Unfortunately, Microsoft is pulling strings behind the scene and many national television networks now offer content in Windows Media. (The dummies prefer so-called "turnkey" solutions, but the key doesn't turn for everybody... if at all.)
So, if the codecs are not included on the CD, a script to pick up whatever is needed at debianmultimedia would certainly ease things off for newbies.
Then, Knoppix would certainly reach top of the chart again. Why? Gee, I wonder, but this german guy certainly gives a lot attention to "details". Whatever he provides usually just works, even things that were deemed almost impossible. (Remember how the Live-CD worked so well even from the 3 series.)
I'm personaly not giving up on Knoppix. I say just wait until next release, which should be "before the end of summer", or September 21st.
Oh, and good luck to Adriane. It's going to be a useful project to many.
62 • Comparative Review in DW Weekly (by Draca on 2007-08-06 19:55:47 GMT from United States)
I tried the Gparted LiveCD at a slightly earlier version and found it awkward to use. I think that it is significant that this live distribution has not increased its version number to 0.4 yet. Obviously, it has some not insignificant problems as the review points out. It is not what I would recommend to Linux newcomers.
On the other hand, Parted Magic works well for Linux newcomers. In fact, it is such a slick, stable, and usable partitioning live distribution that I recommend it for partitioning prior to installing a Linux distribution to the hard drive. (That has been my method for installing a distribution ever since I heard of Parted Magic back when it was at version 1.0.) I am just surprised that more people do not use it.
The other nice aspect of Parted Magic is that somebody can pronounce its name in a conversation. Try saying Gparted LiveCD in a conversation. It is awkward to say compared to Parted Magic. It may just be marketing, but it helps to get people more comfortable with Linux because they will remember the nice, smooth name.
Fortunately, Parted Magic is technically sound too.
63 • Your statistics Latine-America (by werner at 2007-08-06 20:20:18 GMT from France)
Your list is not reliable, as only I normally watch 10 times or more each day your site it should show also French-Guyana
64 • No subject (by memena at 2007-08-06 20:31:56 GMT from Philippines)
@61 "Then, Knoppix would certainly reach top of the chart again. Why? Gee, I wonder, but this german guy certainly gives a lot attention to "details". "
Attention to detail is what always separates top-notch distros from the rest. That said I hope openSUSE changes that wallpaper, maybe to something that less resembles green slime ;-D
@57 I've just installed a remaster of PCLinuxOS 2k7 (on liveusb!). So awesome, as always, but just as what you'd expect of Tex's releases. Attention to detail.
Seeing as this is a Linux enthusiast's site, I'd submit that the rankings are a measure of the enthusiasm for a distro. Which, discerning tech savvy people that we are, would certainly correlate with a distro's quality, innovation, and overall polish. If that would be all right with you, you bridge troll. ^__^
65 • Knoppix (by Jesse on 2007-08-06 20:34:16 GMT from Canada)
I think the slowling down of Knoppix releases isn't really a bad thing. Knoppix
is a very stable, useful tool now and there probably isn't much need to
push out bug fixes and new features. The occasional update to handle
new hardware and general software updates is just fine with me. I use
Knoppix and GParted LiveCD almost daily at work. I hope they both
stick around for a long time to come.
66 • RE: Debian Etch Live CD (by ezsit on 2007-08-06 20:48:18 GMT from United States)
http://live.debian.net/cdimage/
Here is the link to live cd builds of Etch, Lenny, and Sid. Hunt around for the right iso image, but anyone is able to test pure Debian as a live cd prior to installing.
67 • Re. 58 • Printer problems with Linux, BIOS setting (by Richard S on 2007-08-06 20:58:57 GMT from United Kingdom)
Thanks for that tip, but did it make printing very slow?
My printers are quite old, so are usually well supported by CUPs. I have now also tried the printer's USB interface but had the same result.
68 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2007-08-06 21:22:55 GMT from Aruba)
#3: Huh? MEPIS is a stupid and irrelevant distro, always has been, always will be. Sounds like they have lots of trolls working for them though, just like their founder.
#38: Then why are you still here? Get lost!
69 • Re: 66 Debian Etch Live (by GL on 2007-08-06 23:26:10 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the info. The site's legal page notes that "Debian Live is not yet an official sub-project of the Debian project." Let's hope that changes, and an official live CD is soon available for downloading from debian.org.
70 • ADRIANE (by Tiresias on 2007-08-06 23:50:53 GMT from Norway)
I'm very happy to hear about Adriane (didn't know about it before). I remember reading about Blinux (http://leb.net/blinux/) some time ago, and thinking how nice it would be to have a distro aimed at the needs of blind users. This project seems unique in its sheer usefulness. Even though I love Knoppix, there are lots of live CDs to use. I can live without frantic development of just that one.
I imagine a lot of sight impaired users feel left out by the exigent focus on GUIs in the proprietary industry (because newer, shinier GUIs need more powerful hardware, to "drive innovation"?). I get reminded of why I love free software: because it innovates where innovation is needed by the users, because it caters to minorities. The sometimes private nature of free software development is necessarily rooted in a strong, self-providing community.
Why aren't proprietary software ahead of free software when it comes to tailoring UIs for the blind? Because they feel they can earn more money by focusing their work elsewhere.
71 • Re: 43 and Skole-Linux (by tom on 2007-08-06 23:54:02 GMT from Austria)
Hey dbrion! How are you doing?
No, I know the about the project but I haven't tried it yet, I have to say.
Is it really easier to install and configure than 'basic' debian?
Because I thought the installer and configuration and whatnot is the same as in pure debian, only optimized for educational programs, etc.
I have to add, I didn't try pure debian in quite a while but it didn't work for me in the past (sarge for example).
I figured debian-edu was just a reselection of packages with the same base. I must admit, I'm lazy with those things - installing video codecs, flash and other plugins and so forth.
But thanks very much for the suggestion, I might have a look into it, when I'm inspired :-) and also mepis 7.0 or whatever it will be called, when it's done.
All the best!
72 • Debian liveCD... (by iMoron on 2007-08-07 00:12:32 GMT from United States)
Hey! This is great.
Am a little lost as to what image/iso to get. I'm interested in installing debian and am not to worry on picking up an small iso to start from there, as long as I can get to configure the hardware modem I got an get online with it, apt-get will help me on afterwards...
Can I install from this live CDs??? I sure hope so...
Any advice on which one to get for this 56k modem user?
Thanks!
73 • Medison $150 PC = HOAX (by Beatnik on 2007-08-07 00:30:32 GMT from Panama)
Beware of this, too good to be true.
Like someone said, this could win the 1st prize for SCAM OF THE DECADE.
74 • Central America statistics (by Beatnik on 2007-08-07 00:37:46 GMT from Panama)
Hey Ladislav, thanks for the stats.
Never thought so many people visits Distrowatch from Panama, my country. You know, this little country with an S shape where you could swim in the 2 oceans in the same day. Oh, and dont forget the Panama Canal, one big oeuvre of engineering.
I think Linux in Panama is like a baby, compared to countries like Brazil, Mexico and Argentina.
I am really surprised that Panama has more visits than Nicaragua. To be #15th in Latin America is not that bad.
Well, I guess panamanians are learning the goods of having Linux.
Viva Linux!
Thanks
75 • 72 • Debian liveCD... (by iMoron) (by Fractalguy on 2007-08-07 00:38:18 GMT from United States)
I just burned a Sid live cd from debian live. I chose the xfce version from
http://live.debian.net/cdimage/sid-builds/current/i386/
just to see what we have. I'm rebooting into in momentarily. Otherwise, anyone who knows about installing etc from these, feel free...
I'm going to check it out for live cd use. I've been very impressed with sidux which I did install to HD and I'm using as I type. It BTW is optimized for i686 and is pretty fast.
OK, bye!
76 • 75 • 72 • Debian liveCD... (by iMoron) (by Fractalguy on 2007-08-07 00:55:26 GMT from United States)
Well that didn't last long. The boot got interupted at
[sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
(initramfs)
so I rebooted. (shrug)
There are small iso images of what looks like core install CDs so you can build the rest on line at your own pace. Take a look at one of these like this
http://live.debian.net/cdimage/lenny-builds/20070730/i386/
only 87M.
77 • Varous (by Sam on 2007-08-07 01:30:13 GMT from United States)
RE: #68 - Irrelevant to what? Your interests? I personally haven't found MEPIS terribly useful, somewhere between Ubuntu & Debian. If I want the ease of use package management, and now somewhat more cutting edge software, I'll just download Debian Etch. I still won't trash someone's hard work.
RE: Any recent show-stopping experiences from any of you concerning installing and configuring Etch or Lenny?
*Not with the net-install CD, but a debian ISO bundled with Linux Format magazine a few issues ago consistently failed to detect the ethernet on my Dell Inspiroin 6400 laptop. I upgraded my main PC from Debian 3 to 4 and haven't had a single problem.
*I did cheat with Etch and tried Automatix on my laptop (yeah, lazy I know). I knew it screwed up Ubuntu for a number of folks, it sure screwed up Etch for me (well, maybe it was my fault it screwed up Etch's package management... but now reading that Ubuntu article exploring the inner working of Automatix code I don't feel so guilty).
78 • 77 * Sam (by iMoron on 2007-08-07 02:05:54 GMT from United States)
Hey... Sam, I wanted to try the net-install CD but read that it was not good for 56k modem users, aparently it only comes with network drivers and such...
Or at least thats what I gather...
Is it posible to use it anyways and manage to connect to the net via 56k Hard-Modem?
Also... Over at Debian live I see no 64bit imiges. I'm still reading the page for more details... I have yet to see any indications of instalation or 64 build...
Still it is interesting...
79 • Medison (by Tony on 2007-08-07 05:27:12 GMT from United States)
What sound to good to be true - usually is. Since these units are suppose to take at least 6 weeks(optimistically) to arrive to the consumer I would at least like to see some outside type of firm that will hold payment until the units are physcially shipped. This may take a few extra dollars per units as well as a couple of extra days worth of delays. Once the company becomes established it won't be necessary, but until then -- Caveat Emptor!
80 • MEPIS and Debian (by CeVO on 2007-08-07 06:35:13 GMT from Spain)
#68 Kindly refrain from comments if your only motive is spite and vindication. I do smell a troll indeed....
81 • gparted alternative (by leny on 2007-08-07 08:46:30 GMT from Malaysia)
theres a very nice live cd called INSERT.
lightweight, security, rescue, fluxbox.
better than systemrescuecd and trinity-something...
thought you should mention it.
82 • Arch (by Anonymous on 2007-08-07 09:11:20 GMT from France)
Last week some people were talking about fast distros for legacy PCs. I didn't try the forementionned Vector nor Zenwalk, but after first getting into Linux with PCLOS for a few months, I recently installed Arch. Its bloat-free base install (net-install like) was a very good starting point for my 6 years old machine.
Arch takes more time for a newbie to configure to his liking than most headlines distros I guess, but it makes you learn linux in the process, and on my PC it runs like a charm.
83 • RE: Medison (By Tony... (by Saoul Bellow on 2007-08-07 09:42:53 GMT from Sweden)
Medison is using the company 2co (2checkout.com) for what you are asking for Tony (ie. not giving medison your money until you get your laptop). So they will have a hard time doing the big scam thing everybody is talkning about. My guess is that medison will go bankrupt due to non existing profits though.
84 • Re. 44, 47: Wolvix LiveCD on VirtualBox (by Richard-S on 2007-08-07 09:43:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
Good news: By setting VirtualBox IO APIC to "enabled" (as well as the default ACPI to "enabled"); Wolvix 1.1.0 Hunter LiveCD now boots using its default boot code. It now runs nicely on VirtualBox 1.4.0 (WinXP host).
Perhaps this surprising setting will also persuade some other distros to work within VirtualBox?
85 • Download stats from BigPond server (by Observer on 2007-08-07 10:25:20 GMT from Australia)
7-8-07
ubu combined = 4000+ ^
opensuse 10.2
145+175+335+1100 =1755
fedora 7
895+104+60+78+260+28 = 1425^
mandriva 2007.1
18+125+436+140 = 719
debian 4.0
110+60+333+68 = 571
centos 5.0
16+104+75+320+5 = 520
Gentoo 2007
63+118+53+151 = 385
sabayon 3.4a + be 1.0
156+139+27 = 322^
http://files.bigpond.com/library/index.php?go=cat&id=32&order=time+DESC
some other distros
BeOS MAX Personal Edition v3.0 = 2499
Solaris v10 x86 ISO = 227
Cygwin CD 2006-01-30 = 296
http://files.bigpond.com/library/latestfiles.php?go=latestfiles&order=bpcount&limit=200&start=0
86 • re 85 (by Observer on 2007-08-07 10:35:17 GMT from Australia)
---> ubu combined (ie 7.04 version) = 4000+ ^
NB: The list of stats is for current Linux distro releases.
87 • absolute (by lee on 2007-08-07 10:57:27 GMT from United States)
no wifi abilities in the new absolute
strange
88 • Ubuntu forum memberships increase by approx 100K since March (by Observer on 2007-08-07 10:59:24 GMT from Australia)
>62 • About number of installs (by Krakatos on 2007-03-26
Ubuntu 261866 http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
Fedora 90288 http://www.fedoraforum.org/<
------------------------------------
100,000 is one massive jump in membership!
Current Ubuntu Forums Statistics
Members: 356,312
Current Fedora Forum Statistics
Members: 98,032
89 • automatrix (by agrest on 2007-08-07 11:00:43 GMT from Poland)
"Just add the medibuntu, universe and multiverse repositories like mentionned everywhere...."
Everyone does it.
Wouldn't it be easier if developers included medibuntu in system/administration/aplication sources like main, restricted, universe and multiverse repository ??? This would save some time, no need to import keys, etc.
Medibuntu is officially supported software repository isn't it?
90 • Debian Etch Live CD (by ikke on 2007-08-07 11:26:52 GMT from Belgium)
"66 • RE: Debian Etch Live CD (by ezsit on 2007-08-06 20:48:18 GMT from United States)
http://live.debian.net/cdimage/
Here is the link to live cd builds of Etch, Lenny, and Sid. Hunt around for the right iso image, but anyone is able to test pure Debian as a live cd prior to installing."
Thank you for info.
Is there any way to do a frugal or "poor man's install" of these Debian LiveCDs? What would then be the entry in grub's menu.lst?
Thank you.
91 • Lenovo to offer SUSE Linux Preload on ThinkPad Notebooks (by Anonymous on 2007-08-07 11:39:14 GMT from Australia)
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7900847200.html
92 • RE 88 : UBU massive jump (by dbrion on 2007-08-07 11:50:56 GMT from France)
An increase of 35% (vs 10 % with Fedora) within 5 months may be linked to university holidays (a friend of mine has many interns: part of his time is in curing his interns' dual boat computers, by replacing UBUlinux by his fav. Linux, sometimes even replacing the UBU vfat partition by a more classical extfs3 one....).
What might be interesting, too, is the favorite filesystem Linux is installed on....
Hourrah, cornes au cul, vive le père Ubu (Jarry, La chanson du décervelage, ca 1895)
93 • Anyone who things that Gentoo doesn't have big problems, read this: (by Frustrated Gentoo User on 2007-08-07 12:09:14 GMT from New Zealand)
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166790
(and it still doesn't work)
94 • Mepis change - Top 10 distro will need to be updated (by Jim on 2007-08-07 15:08:20 GMT from United States)
The Top 10 page mentions that Mepis is derived from Ubuntu.
I bet this will need updating on many websites.
I have not seen this site show bias that a few have felt the need to stoop to the gutter and call names. Maybe they were referring to user comments, which I ignore the fringe users most of the time. I know a distro is a hard thing to create, maintain, and support. My hat (of all colors) off to anyone brave enough to start one.
95 • RE 71 Skolelinux (by dbrion on 2007-08-07 15:32:06 GMT from France)
Hi Tom
I ll try to answer your questions about Skolelinux/Debian-edu
Hope I wo not be too boring.
"Is it really easier to install and configure than 'basic' debian?
Because I thought the installer and configuration and whatnot is the same as in pure debian, only optimized for educational programs, etc.
"
I do not think it is substantially easier to install and configure than the new version of Debian (I have this new version with some cellulotic how-tos I bought at a railway station, in case {either I break one of my PCs} or {the laptop price goes under 200$E}).
However, the mere fact that softs have been selectioned (1/3) leads to installation times much more comfortable (I install on a virtual disk based on a NTFS partition of a USB HD; I have a USB 1 link on a 4 yrs old PC, and installing too much would have been very long)....
I had tested the former stable version of Debian-edu, in about the same conditions and did not notice any flaw or difficulty (with the stable one).
I attributed it to the fact that teachers (and pupils, too) can be computer ignorant and very exigeant....
The selection of softs, without forgetting their manuals/helps, leads to an almost perfect environment.
The two flaws I had to correct were
+ adding a user != root (that was perhaps my fault, anyway, it was nasty)
+ removing the swap filesystem(man swapoff ; swapoff) which is useless with 192 M RAM (and very uncomfortable under VMplayer with a _very_ slow disk)
I added (with gdebi) gcc4.x and R (+ some very unpleasant to compile from source R plugins/debian packages).
I noticed Octave was present, working and could draw sinusoids (it is a matlab clone I induly thought dead), wxMaxima could simplify equations and one could consult her manual, top could work in a Konsole and OpenOffice could slowly open a document (all this with swap removed)... With a slightly more modern Pc, or with more RAM given, it might be very good...
I did not need to print an how-to for installation or to consult some cellulotic doc (with KateOS or Zen, I know I need)...
96 • #83 - medison (by ray carter at 2007-08-07 16:42:02 GMT from United States)
Maybe they'll make it up in volume.
97 • RE: Medison (by Tony on 2007-08-07 16:50:12 GMT from United States)
83 • RE: Medison (By Tony... (by Saoul Bellow on 2007-08-07 09:42:53 GMT from Sweden)
Medison is using the company 2co (2checkout.com) for what you are asking for Tony (ie. not giving medison your money until you get your laptop). So they will have a hard time doing the big scam thing everybody is talkning about. My guess is that medison will go bankrupt due to non existing profits though.
Thanks Saoul, That was the information I was looking for. I just wonder how much 2co is associated with Medison? I DO hope Medison is successful with this venture as it would bring the cost of starter laptops down to the next level. Linux would benefit from this type of laptop, but bloated Windows would not - IMO.
I imagine by now Medison has received a lot of orders? I hope there are some buyers who write online about their experiences with Medison?
98 • Re: 30 - Automatix vs. EasyUbuntu (by Anonymous on 2007-08-07 17:47:23 GMT from United States)
It turns out I'm on a mail list with the EasyUbuntu developer. Here's what he said:
Actually, EasyUbuntu is irrelevant now. I have stopped maintaining it
cause most of the features it added are present in Ubuntu by default
(easy-codec-installation, restricted-manager) .
However, EasyUbuntu doesn't kill dpkg at any point of time, maintains
the EasyUbuntu sources.list in a separate file. Much of the criticism
that Automatix receives does not really apply to EasyUbuntu.
The policy I used while writing EasyUbuntu was - "If in doubt, don't
do it!" So, if dpkg was in a bad state, it would tell the user not to
run.
However, the "Passes --assume-yes to apt-get", applies to EasyUbuntu.
I however have updated the deb and the src file on the website to run
on Feisty if you really really really like EasyUbuntu. However, I
recommend to just add the medibuntu repositories!
99 • re: 97 Medison and 2co (by Anonymous on 2007-08-07 20:44:52 GMT from United States)
2co (2checkout.com) is not a tier one credit card processor, so this actually adds fuel to the fire of this scam.
100 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2007-08-07 21:15:08 GMT from France)
Re this spam-like Medison low cost PC: I see no reason not to wait and see. But to those who want to take their chances, please be my guest guinea pigs ;-)
101 • .tgz packes compatible with Slackware (by werner at 2007-08-07 22:55:40 GMT from France)
I want to inform: Since many time Im compiling plenty progs for my own installation, but as there are only few persons packing .tgz and put them for download, i added this step. Often I compile the kernel, the last packet is always what Iself use for my server. My packages can be download on my computer: copaya . yi . org / tgz (ftp: or http:) I hope its useful . :)
102 • emergency recovery (by Uncle Timmy on 2007-08-08 04:01:20 GMT from United States)
I just tried Debian Linux after being away from Linux for 6 or 8 years. Wow! I am impressed with the progress the the Linux community has made. Wow!
Can anyone suggest a good approach for disaster recovery and backup? I would love to completely switch from M$ to Linux, but stability still bothers me. Can anyone recommend a good approach to emergency recovery and data backup/recovery?
103 • Wow!!! Just like aladin's lamp (by Luis Medina on 2007-08-08 04:09:32 GMT from Mexico)
THANK YOU A LOT, for your response to the information of Latinoamerican countries. Its great know you read my posts and more wonderful could be honored with your help.
Congratulations to all on the distrowatch team.
And you guys and girls be shure you get a fan and a colaborator on my person.
Regards
104 • DW search needs updating maybe? (by ChiJoan on 2007-08-08 04:38:42 GMT from United States)
Hello Everyone,
I am hunting for a desktop-friendly Distro that will see both of my P3 CPUs on this Intel motherboard. I've never made a patched Kernel, if that is what you call it. So I first tried Mepis, which booted up fine, but it only saw one of the CPUs. Then I tried Ubuntu, true it saw both CPUs, but when the onboard video gave me only 640x768 by the size of the fonts, I powered down and put in another video card, which turned out to be ATI Rage. Bad idea I suppose, because the Ubuntu X-server wouldn't restart on reboot.
I guess I'm spoiled by Xandros and Linspire having CDs that will repair their installs if needed. It was late or I would've searched for my Knoppix, etc. So, I tried my burned Mint 3.0, but got the Disk Error 32...AX-4200 driver 9F, which I downloaded on 6-30-2007. Now, before I download like crazy and waste more CDs and DVDs...please give me some hints as to which ones to try. No, this can't really be a server because that card was not included with the motherboard. Yes, I tried to Google for an answer, but I guess I didn't have the right words to really find what I was looking for.
Thanks for your patience and insight,
ChiJoan
105 • RE: 90 Debian LiveCD (by ezsit on 2007-08-08 05:24:17 GMT from United States)
As far as I know, the Debian LiveCDs at live.debian.org are not meant for installation at this time. I believe that the group is working on an installer, but I cannot confirm or deny that rumor. The LiveCDs are just meant for that purpose.
106 • Usenet - no ubuntu group showing up (not propagated sufficiently). (by Observer on 2007-08-08 08:33:25 GMT from Australia)
ie not on google and not at bigpond servers (and a google search indicates others have the same result).
Usenet 1 - 19 of 19
alt.os.linux*
alt.os.linux
alt.os.linux.best
alt.os.linux.caldera
alt.os.linux.corel
alt.os.linux.debian
alt.os.linux.dial-up
alt.os.linux.gentoo
alt.os.linux.libranet
alt.os.linux.lindows
alt.os.linux.madrake
alt.os.linux.mandrake.* (2)
alt.os.linux.mandriva
alt.os.linux.redhat
alt.os.linux.slackware
alt.os.linux.smoothwall
alt.os.linux.storm
alt.os.linux.suse
alt.os.linux.turbolinux
http://groups.google.com.au/groups/dir?hl=en&sel=33562828&expand=1
The "Bhundu Boys" need to do more!
107 • alt.os.linux groups ranked by no of subscribers (by Observer on 2007-08-08 08:37:34 GMT from Australia)
alt.os.linux.suse
For all SuSE Linux users.
Category: Computers > Operating Systems, Language: English
Medium activity, 1728 subscribers, Usenet
alt.os.linux.slackware
Questions, answers & general talk of Slackware Linux.
Category: Computers > Operating Systems, Language: English
High activity, 1258 subscribers, Usenet
alt.os.linux
Use comp.os.linux.* instead.
Category: Other, Language: English
Medium activity, 1014 subscribers, Usenet
alt.os.linux.mandriva
Language: English
Medium activity, 237 subscribers, Usenet
alt.os.linux.debian
Questions, answers and discussions for Debian Linux.
Category: Other, Language: English
Low activity, 314 subscribers, Usenet
alt.os.linux.mandrake
Category: Other, Language: English
Low activity, 509 subscribers, Usenet
alt.os.linux.redhat
Category: Other, Language: English
Low activity, 334 subscribers, Usenet
alt.os.linux.gentoo
The Gentoo Linux Distribution.
Category: Other, Language: English
Low activity, 285 subscribers, Usenet
http://groups.google.com.au/groups/dir?hl=en&sel=33562828&expand=1
108 • Some more useful usenet groups (by Observer on 2007-08-08 08:54:35 GMT from Australia)
Groups 1-15 of 24.
comp.os.linux.misc
Linux-specific topics not covered by other groups.
Category: Computers > Operating Systems, Language: English
High activity, 4425 subscribers, Usenet
comp.os.linux.advocacy
Benefits of Linux compared to other operating systems.
Category: Computers > Operating Systems, Language: English
High activity, 2045 subscribers, Usenet
comp.os.linux.networking
Networking and communications under Linux.
Category: Computers > Operating Systems, Language: English
Medium activity, 3135 subscribers, Usenet
comp.os.linux.hardware
Hardware compatibility with the Linux operating system.
Category: Computers > Operating Systems, Language: English
Medium activity, 1087 subscribers, Usenet
comp.os.linux.setup
Linux installation and system administration.
Category: Computers > Operating Systems, Language: English
Low activity, 2016 subscribers, Usenet
http://groups.google.com.au/groups/dir?lnk=nhpsfg&hl=en&q=comp.os.linux*&qt_s=Search+for+a+group
109 • Re: 106 • Usenet - no ubuntu group showing up (by Ariszló on 2007-08-08 11:03:24 GMT from Hungary)
Usenet is old and Ubuntu is young. They just don't match.
110 • Mepis -hit-count? (by Lost Child on 2007-08-08 11:44:56 GMT from United States)
Hmmmm- Mepis total HIT count was at 1015 Tuesday late afternoon , I went in Mepis 2 times , But the count Stay the same ?????
111 • Freespire (by Peppy Penguin Portage Pariah on 2007-08-08 14:12:09 GMT from United States)
I see (peek between your fingers) Freespire 2 is now listed as
available.
Are we, as good (trumpets!) Linux fascists supposed to go ahead
and give it a try as we do many "distros," or are was supposed to
ignore, shun, eschew and otherwise treat with disdain this
traitor of a "distro."
What's the party line? I'm ready to remain in lockstep.
Just tell me. I want to do The Right Thing for Open Source.
112 • It never rains but it pours (by Anonymous on 2007-08-08 14:57:53 GMT from United States)
I can't believe after such a drought, there have been so many releases this week! I'm now in the new version of Arch. They've certainly made alot of improvements over the past few months. The hardware detection and configuration is now semi-automated.
113 • post 111 (by Jeff on 2007-08-08 15:17:58 GMT from United States)
Nice post, Peppy.
I suggest we all download and install Freespire 2 immediately so that we can subvert Microsoft from within.
Just my $0.02 worth (USD).
114 • re: 111 • Freespire (by DeniZen at 2007-08-08 15:32:53 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'm pleased to say that it does not tempt me , so I dont have to think about it.
I really think that Freespire have probably mussed up for good.
lets be honest, there are a lot of excellent distro's out there now, many are easy for Newbies, look great - 'Just Work' etc
Users could be equally happy with many of them.
often the only defining factor, is a kind of brand loyalty (we see it daily in forums such as this.
Linux users seem particularly keen to aliign with a distro 'brand', and defend it vigourously thereafter.
Few seem to want to align themselves with Freespire... its become v. uncool, and I think they have lost the game, by an own goal.
115 • -Freespire ??? -No... (by Caraibes on 2007-08-08 15:35:04 GMT from Dominican Republic)
I have no interest in Freespire... I'll keep Fedora & Debian as my real systems, and whenever I need an "out of the box" distro, I'll go for either PCLOS, Mepis or Mint...
116 • Re: 102 • emergency recovery/backup (by GL on 2007-08-08 15:40:00 GMT from United States)
Any good live CD will be helpful with recovery - I like the PCLinuxOS 2007 disk, which will automount partitions. More important is backup. I've been using GRsync - it's a GUI front end for the powerful rsync utility which can do quick incremental backups. You can install GRsync via Synaptic in Debian. I routinely backup my data to an external USB drive. You can backup the entire system if your drive is large enough.
117 • @104: distro for 2 CPUs (by CeVO on 2007-08-08 15:50:35 GMT from Spain)
You can use MEPIS for 2 CPUs. In version 6.5 you need to install the smp enabled kernel. The whole process of adding it to GRUB will be automatic.
You can also wait for version 7. It will have an smp enabled kernel built in. Try out the prebeta and see how it works.
118 • re post 114 (by Peppy Penguin Portage Pariah on 2007-08-08 18:32:00 GMT from United States)
*sigh*
It was a joke, DeniZen.
All I wanted was a simple LOL or maybe even a LMAO.
I mean, look at the name I used! Sheesh!!
- William Gates, Der Fuehrer
119 • Re Frustrated @ 93 (by Anonymous on 2007-08-08 19:04:36 GMT from Canada)
Yes Gentoo has own problems -
Please name any O/System that has NOT
OTOH - that bug reporet is marked "solved"
Most do get swift resolutions - the esoteric take longer (as it does for all others)
I have found - in over 8yrs of running the original install_
upgraded constanlty_
(NEVER foo-barred to point where couldn't repair)
& with own share of Duhhs - only ONE was attributed to a questionable E-build.
(Catch22- one upgrade was blocked by other) -
FORUM - as usual ~ had speedy solution)
(Hope that isn't tempting fate 8>)
Now compare: Linux fdisk is still used in many disros - & own man page recommends cfdisk (fdisk has odd quirks)
But WTH - keeps life interesting - or at least reminds us we
will NEVER be "experts" in all fields = a kind of perpetual in-training mode
IF willing to stop blaming any distro & look at the "tool" using it ?
Fess up > are we frustrated w/the system, or own skills.
The first we may not be presently capable of fixing -
The last no "system" can cure
Happy hacking to all
120 • Best thing I've done so far ..... (by txHarleyMan on 2007-08-08 19:23:20 GMT from United States)
Moved to Debian ( Etch ) !
121 • RE: # 120 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2007-08-08 23:41:36 GMT from Italy)
Welcome! I decided to try the latest Ubuntu and Kubuntu today (I hadn't tried the latest yet) and and I found them rubbish as usual. There is absolutely nothing I like about that distro.
122 • RE: # 121 (by rac on 2007-08-09 01:20:24 GMT from United States)
Just goes to show how different people are. I use Ubuntu as my primary distro and find it very workable indeed.
123 • Congratulations, Adam!!! (by JohnF on 2007-08-09 01:24:50 GMT from United States)
I just saw the release of Mandriva Linux 2008 Beta 1, and I wanted to congratulate
Adam and the rest of the developers over at Mandriva! Despite what you might see on this board, the vast majority of PCLinuxOS users are appreciative of the work done at Mandriva, and would love to see them do well (HP and Mandriva would sound great to me!).
While I'm a happy PCLOS user, it never hurts to be able to offer multiple alternatives to Windows users who are unhappy (and there are so MANY of them!) I certainly will keep a few ML 2008 CD's just for that!
124 • Re 109 (by Anonymous on 2007-08-09 01:54:40 GMT from Australia)
>109 • Re: 106 • Usenet - no ubuntu group showing up (by Ariszló on 2007-08-08 11:03:24 GMT from Hungary)
Usenet is old and Ubuntu is young. They just don't match<
I agree on your first point and not on the second (though many of the younger users probably are not too clued up on Usenet).
There needs to be a proper procedure (though this is not always the case in practice) followed in creating newsgroups and alt.config is the place to start.
Mandriva created its group - alt.os.linux.mandriva - at about the same time
(they also stuffed up in creating the group before any discussion was had on alt.config, but there was some after event attempt to recover from this) as ubuntu and they are now well propagated.
The following are links to "eternal" usenet newsgroup archives of creation messages and subsequent booster or removal posts:
ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/alt.os.linux.slackware.gz
ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/alt.os.linux.ubuntu.gz
ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/alt.os.linux.mandriva.gz
ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/alt.os.linux.suse.gz
ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/alt.os.linux.gz
ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/
125 • Re 124 - If you are a big player like Novel, MS, etc... (by Anonymous on 2007-08-09 02:04:26 GMT from Australia)
You have your own news server.
support-forums.novell.com
news.microsoft.com
126 • Re 115...OOTHB (out of the holy box) :-) (by Anonymous on 2007-08-09 02:26:41 GMT from Australia)
>(by Caraibes from Dominican Republic)
.....whenever I need an "out of the box" distro, I'll go for either PCLOS, Mepis or Mint...<
As a PCLoser (PCLOS User) you should now that your OTHB experience is NOT that great if you want/need a firewall, have a PC that requires the 915reselotion package (there must be many millions of those, and I am one of them), want to have an internet/network connection control applet (net applet/knetworkmanager) running by default, and the list goes on.
Please stop touting PCLOS as an OTHB distro, it is NOT! You would do better if you said SAM 2007 and you would be LYING If you continue to push the "Miracle" distro hype.
guten Tag
127 • 126 cleaning up some typos ( apologies) (by Anonymous on 2007-08-09 02:39:02 GMT from Australia)
As a PCLoser (PCLOS User) you should now know hat your OTHB experience is NOT that great if you want/need a firewall, have a PC that requires the 915resolution package (there must be many millions of those, and I am one of them), want to have an internet/network connection control applet (net applet/knetworkmanager) running by default, and the list goes on.
128 • Two of the issues you mention (by JohnF on 2007-08-09 04:09:49 GMT from United States)
Firewall (can be setup in the control center, or another firewall installed via Synaptic). For Internet Control applet ,If you launch NetApplet from the KMenu, the icon will appear in the systray portion of the kicker (next to the clock). If you right-click the icon, you can click Settings > Always launch on startup. How to do this is easily found by a search on the PCLOS forum.
As far as the 915 issue, that will probably improve once PCLOS upgrades Xorg to 7.3. Texstar himself has said that there are several issues that are being worked on (see the timeline below), PCLinuxOS is no different that other distros are that working on similar issues to improve the OTHB experience; however it's stability and ease of use for former Windows users is a bonus, at least in my experience when I've shown it to people and installed it for users.
PCLinuxOS Timeline (from May 9th)
July/August 2007
Work on minime version
Work on international DVD, import po files from mypclinuxos project
Start filling repository with applications
Update xorg to most recent version
Update kernel to 2.6.20.x
Update drakxlibs
Update Gnome to most recent version
Update Alsa to latest stable release
Work on suspend issues
Work on remaining wireless issues
Work on remaining shutdown power off issues
Work on harware detection issues
Work on bug fixes
Do updated CDs/DVDs
September 2007
more to come....
129 • Re 128 (JF)--> regardless what u say, it is NOT the "OTHB" experience! (by Anonymous on 2007-08-09 05:12:36 GMT from Australia)
Is it not? You seem to be devaluing the standard for an OOTB distro, IMHO.
SAM 2007, Mint 2.2, Mepis 6.5, Fedora 7 and Puppy 2.17 all rate much higher as OOTB distros than does PCLOS 2007! For me, F7-Gnome Live CD is almost perfect and PCLOS does not even come close.
I know that the firewall and 915resolution packages can be downloaded, you do the same in Ubuntu 7.04, but where is the OTHB experience in doing that? Pretty useless doing that for a Live CD.
"For Internet Control applet ,If you launch NetApplet from the KMenu, the icon will appear in the systray portion of the kicker (next to the clock)."
I worked that out but it still is NOT OOTHB like it is in the distros I mentioned above. And it is more of a disappointment when you can see it working as it should in SAM 2007 (PCLOS based). :-)
Pay more attention to QA in your next release and forget about water under the bridge in this one (and stop making unrealistic - FALSE - claims about the OOTB capabilities).
Guten Tag
130 • It's "Flame PCLinuxOS" time again! (by davecs on 2007-08-09 07:47:14 GMT from United Kingdom)
Still, as Oscar Wilde said, there is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about....
131 • Cor 43, 95 Skolelinux has a classical (non-root) user (by dbrion on 2007-08-09 07:54:01 GMT from France)
from install: it was an
error of mine (to claim I could only connect as root)
(hit one CR too much during a straightforward install). As it was the single (huge?) flaw I had feared during VMplaying, Skolelinux is now fully perfect for me (ships many classical apps it takes a long time to gather and install on Windows XP, + their manuals/helps).
132 • No subject (by davecs at 2007-08-09 07:54:47 GMT from United Kingdom)
Oh and by the way...
I do NOT want a firewall set up as standard, I want an easy way of starting it if I want it - like a lot of people these days, I have a router that handles that and passes the www.grc.com test without setting up anything on the computer.
What I expect is a GUI desktop and a simple way of fine tuning what I want.
BTW the main SAM developer is part of the PCLOS team, SAM is a later snapshot than PCLOS, so when the next snapshot iso of PCLOS is released, expect all the latest stuff...
133 • Re 132 "SAM is a later snapshot" but it came out first... (by Anonymous on 2007-08-09 08:34:54 GMT from Australia)
That does not make sense.
Funny how all the Major distros - Fedora, Mandriva, openSuse - all setup their firewalls by default. They must be silly and you and your rippers are the smartest kids on the block, hey?
Your OOTHB experience is BS, AFAIK!
134 • Re: Your statistics Latine-America (by Ariszló on 2007-08-09 09:14:45 GMT from Hungary)
werner wrote: Your list is not reliable, as only I normally watch 10 times or more each day your site it should show also French-Guyana
How? With a French ip address, your visits may only be counted among those from France.
135 • RE 134 I doubt French Guyana has Metropolitan French IP @sses (by dbrion on 2007-08-09 09:39:37 GMT from France)
Else, la Martinique would have been counted as Metropolitan France, too It is separately counted in :(http://distrowatch.com/awstats/awstats.DistroWatch.com.alldomains.html).
If Werner visits from the same IP adress, even 10000 times a day -with a rock solid rat!!-, it is filtered and counted as one visit a day, meseems (to avoid counting too many times countries with poor IT connections, or duplicated (or more) votes if page hits are concerned. Perhaps, if he wants French Guyana to become a big part of the DWword, he could ask friends to visit, too, or use cybercafés....
what I noticed in the link I give was the difference of ratii visits/page hits between {Austria,Canada, France, Germany, Poland: ration < 6} and the us (ration > 6). I do not not know whether hits are an indicator of looove (and one votes, votes, votes) or open minded curiosity (one goes on a distr page to know what is inside her)......
136 • RE: 121 • [was: RE: # 120 (by DeniZen at 2007-08-09 10:20:51 GMT from United Kingdom)
" RE: # 120 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2007-08-08 23:41:36 GMT from Italy)
Welcome! I decided to try the latest Ubuntu and Kubuntu today (I hadn't tried the latest yet) and and I found them rubbish as usual. There is absolutely nothing I like about that distro"
I think we can see why...
What a pointless post. Perhaps you are trolling.
Anyhoo,
I'm not about to jump to the defence of 'buntu - I dont chose to use Ubuntu either, but why bother calling Ubuntu 'rubbish'?!! - when very very evidently it is not 'rubbish', and consider this - whether you use it or not, Ubuntu has been at the forefront of raising the bar for the viable Linux Desktop which benefits all. Not just *buntu users.
Whatever distro you do use will quite possibly be 'as good as you think it is' partly as a result of keeping up with the likes of (*but _not_ solely*) Ubuntu.
137 • Re: 118 • re post 114 (by Peppy Penguin Portage Pariah on 2007-08-08 (by Anonymous on 2007-08-09 10:31:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
"*sigh*
It was a joke, DeniZen."
Understood!
I dont think my reply was a direct reply to your post, rather a general observation about Freespires 'social standing'!
Anyhoo, I did appreciate your humour ;)
(To quote HJ Simpson - "Jokes? oh yeah I get jokes .. mweh heh heh ")
138 • RE: # 136 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2007-08-09 11:18:50 GMT from Italy)
"What a pointless post. Perhaps you are trolling."
Perhaps if I wrote a long review and explained why I find K/Ubuntu crap, I'd sound less like a troll. But there is no guarantee, because reviewers have also been called trolls. And honestly I can spend my time better than reviewing a distro I don't like at all.
139 • RE 114, 137 :"- William Gates, Der Fuehrer" (by Anonymous on 2007-08-09 12:05:50 GMT from France)
Humor is different from stupidity in the civilized world.
Is Redmond Big Sheytan responsible of
* ONE death (not some milliions, wo were born jewish or gitans?, not even some thousands, as it may happen in industrial accidents -cf Bhopal-
NO: just ONE death...
is it responsible of an hate doctrin?
Of course, I know Bill Gates swindled IBM (that demands some talents and was found rather funny....) and has/had monopolistic , semi-mafia practices (as do many power or IT suppliers). But being a criminal and a nazi?
140 • RE: 138 (by ladislav on 2007-08-09 12:12:32 GMT from Taiwan)
And honestly I can spend my time better than reviewing a distro I don't like at all.
Like what? Like coming here and announcing to the world that a certain distro is rubbish? Is that your idea of "spending time better"?
Your are welcome to express your opinion here, but hey man, if you are going to call something crap then at least make an effort to explain the reasons. Otherwise you are just wasting space and bandwidth.
Or even better, keep such opinions to yourself.
141 • RE: # 140 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2007-08-09 12:54:28 GMT from Italy)
Sorry Ladislav, I didn't mean to annoy you. Maybe in the near future I'll do write an Ubuntu review.
142 • Wupi-installation of Ubuntu (by Alter Ekko on 2007-08-09 13:38:18 GMT from Norway)
Since I have never seen anyone (I think) on Distrowatch mentioning
this method of linux installation, I would like report my experience.
Wupi is a way of installing (K/X)Ubuntu linux in a loop filesystem
on a NTFS Windows partition. I have desktop computers with
dualboot options (Win/linux), but have not yet dared to do the
same thing on a new windows vista laptop.
I first saw the Wupi installer described here:
http://www.download.com/8301-2007_4-9723017-12.html
There is a link for getting Wupi. As the the page explains
the installer does all the work getting your chosen K/U/Xunbuntu
from the internet.
The user desides how much space to set aside for the linux
file system inside the windows files. (I chose a little on the
small side, but as my ubuntu linux are able to store/write
downloads on in the ntfs files system that don't matter
much.)
Now the laptop has a boot menu with Vista and Ubuntu.
I have used the laptop like that for 2-3 weeks without any trouble
(for either OS).
Usually I have not been especially fond of the *buntus, but
Ubuntu got the 1280x800 screen right, uses the Intel wlan,
and after installation of some codecs ( - Ubuntu tells me how to
do it -) I have mp3, video abilities. The system tells me what to
update when needed.
So even if I like my livecds on this computer I'm beginning to
understand why Ubuntu has such a large user mass.
Well, since it's that simple and probably not dangerous this
could be a way for some new linux users.
143 • Wubi... (by MavericK at 2007-08-09 15:29:55 GMT from United States)
The only problem I found with Wubi on my fathers machine was the fact that the grub menu.lst is regenerated at every boot. Unfortunately his machine requires the acpi=off parameter. The easy solution mentioned on the wubi forum and in the guide is to replace the "original kernel" on the bottom with your new modified entry and make that the default (number 5 on mine) The thing is the regeneration adds an extra /wubu at every boot turning /wubi/boot/grub.... into /wubi/wubi/boot/grub.... and then /wubi/wubi/wubi/boot/grub.... and so on and so on.
My dad really liked the idea of trying ubuntu out this way but he can't even boot it unless I'm there. I hope they get that fixed soon
144 • 121 (by Texstar on 2007-08-09 16:49:37 GMT from United States)
Well you know what they say, one mans trash is another mans treasure. :D
145 • RE: # 144 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2007-08-09 17:17:40 GMT from Italy)
"Well you know what they say, one mans trash is another mans treasure. :D"
It is nice that that comment should come from you, from all people, because your distro is at the opposite end of my tastes: I like it very much :D
146 • Bluewhite64 12.0 LiveCD Problems (by Richard-S on 2007-08-09 17:56:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
So far, I've had no luck trying to run Bluewhite64 12.0 LiveCD:
The first download server gave (different) MD5sum errors three times, the suggested trick of using the Torrent to fix these seemed not to work. The second mirror gave a correct download.
On my PC, Bluewhite goes through all early boot stages, but the screen then goes blank at the X11 stage: Presumably, there's a problem with Xorg? The screen was so blank that my display immediately went into power-save mode, although disk activity indicated that the Linux was still loading.
The LiveCD give few details of possible boot codes. Also, it requires the boot codes to be preceded by "Bluewhite64" rather than "bluewhite64" (ie. a capital B) - why so much typing?
I was concerned to see that Bluewhite appeared to auto-mount my hard disks: Risky as I had to crash the boot process by switching-off the PC. I much prefer to keep my hard disks unmounted until required.
My PC: AMD64 3200+, 1GB RAM, ATI Radeon 200 onboard graphics.
147 • Don't feed the trolls (by davecs on 2007-08-09 18:18:28 GMT from United Kingdom)
OK davecs now repeat to yourself...
Don't feed the trolls...
Don't feed the trolls...
Don't feed the trolls...
Don't feed the trolls...
Don't feed the trolls...
Don't feed the trolls...
Don't feed the trolls...
Don't feed the trolls...
Don't feed the trolls...
Don't feed the trolls...
148 • stomp STOMP STOMP! (by Der Fuehrer on 2007-08-09 20:17:00 GMT from United States)
Listen, dumkopfs.. just because I did not kill anybody does not mean I am not Der Fuehrer!
Look, just look at the state of linux disarray as compared to the dominance, MY dominance of der world!
- William Gates, Der Fuehrer!
149 • Re: 135 • I doubt French Guyana has Metropolitan French IP @sses (by Ariszló on 2007-08-09 21:12:53 GMT from Hungary)
No but some users like Werner may get their IP addresses from France:
"63 • Your statistics Latine-America (by werner at 2007-08-06 20:20:18 GMT from France)"
150 • Re: 127/129/133 (by JohnF on 2007-08-09 21:27:54 GMT from United States)
One person's OTHB experience may differ from another...it's one of the attractions of Linux, that if you don't like what you see, or if a distro goes in a direction you don't like, you can chose one more of your liking. Every distro out there, including the ones you've mentioned, have things that people can nit pick on; for example Warren does a tremendous job on Memphis, but not being able to upgrade Firefox and other applications without breaking them would kill my "OTHB" (and Warren's, since he's going to Debian base!). It does NOT mean that it isn't a fine distro, and one that I recommend highly.
It's pretty arrogant to think that just because a distro doesn't fit your expectations, that it's trash. I'm not defending arrogance on the other end (fanboy) either...ALL the distros need to improve, and if you talk to the developers, they are well aware of that. In the PCLinuxOS case, Tex went through FOUR test releases, and everyone in the PCLOS community had a chance to comment on the way they wanted it set up. And if you look at the Road map Tex offered, he's well aware that there is work to be done by him and his co-developers.
When I talk to people, they are frustrated over NOT being able to do work because of Windows...for them, a stable, fast working system IS
a great "OTHB". Being able to use a click and point control center (Mandriva/PCLOS) IS a big deal (Clem, the developer of Linux Mint, mentioned the Control Center as something he really liked).
It won't matter...as davecs said, it's fashionable to bash PCLOS right now (instead of constructive critisism). It's just amazing that 5% or so of the entire PC market that Linux has is so negative instead of supportive; sad, too, since Gates and Balmer just laugh when they see this. Remember what Benjamin Franklin said..."We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
151 • Freespire 2 (by Jerry on 2007-08-09 21:56:24 GMT from United States)
Well now; after installing Freespire 2 by itself on the hard drive of my new notebook computer, I must say that things are going very very well. I am impressed with the rapid detection of all hardware, including wifi adaptor (broadcom) and the Intel 950 graphics.
I did have to tweak kpowersave up to "performance" from the default "dynamic" (whatever-the-hell that means) to get the OS to operate very fast, just about as fast as any other distro I've tried on here.
Everything does work (no, I'm not going to use the cliche here) with the notable exception of CNR, which yields a message saying to wait for a while as it is not fully functional yet.
But that's fine; I have all the software I need, and apt-get works great for installing various goodies and for updates. Whoa! :O)
152 • RE: 149 I doubt French Guyana has Metropolitan French IP (by ladislav on 2007-08-09 23:46:50 GMT from Taiwan)
I think the most likely explanation is that geoip has incorrectly assigned the IP address to France instead of French Guyana. The company that creates the IP-to-country database claim 97% accuracy, so there is some scope for errors.
153 • Cool... (by iMoron on 2007-08-10 00:49:54 GMT from United States)
Hey, check out TinyMe!
http://www.mypclinuxos.com/
It is based on PCLOS and has OpenBox/KDE...
Small iso download to, less than 200MB.
Right now they are at test 5, and might have final ready in about 10 days...
Has anyone tried it? It sure looks promising...
154 • pclos marketing (by oh boy on 2007-08-10 01:21:39 GMT from United States)
would you pclos waterboys please stop your marketing here in
the distrowatch forums! PLEASE!?
there are a lot of distros, you are not what you think you are!!
155 • Re 154....you are not what you think you are!! (by Anonymous on 2007-08-10 02:27:38 GMT from Australia)
and here is something from their own kindred to prove your point:
[Taken from "miracle distro" forum.....for fair use only]
Sr. Member
****
Re: Roadmap 2007
« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2007
>Although I agree, this is a lot to ask of the small team at PCLinuxOS.<
I'm not asking anything. I'm just commenting the first post of this thread,
where Tex himself announces updated ISOs for PCLOS 2007.
>It's a small, tight-knit group.<
This is unfortunately also the big limit of PCLOS as a wannabe-Top10 distro.
Distrowatch numbers don't really count that much, PCLOS is still far from
the biggies and certainly not the #3 distro in the world.
No top distro stays 6 months without updates for its latest stable version.
No top distro lacks a 64-bits version. No big distro needs so much time to
fill its software repository. No big distro lacks so many server-oriented
packages in the repo. No big distro lacks some sort of system of security
advisories. No big distro stops making packages for the previous release
as soon as the newer release is out.
The single and only reason explaining all of these limitations is lack of
manpower.
[....]
156 • RE: 155 (by ladislav on 2007-08-10 04:32:21 GMT from Taiwan)
Distrowatch numbers don't really count that much, PCLOS is still far from the biggies and certainly not the #3 distro in the world.
I thought I'd just remind everybody that the DistroWatch Page Hit Rankings merely reflect how many people visit each distro's page on the site, not how big a distro is or isn't. I've said it many times already, but many still don't seem to get it.
157 • You're right Ladislav (by JohnF on 2007-08-10 04:59:40 GMT from United States)
People don't get it. It's amazing how threatened they are by the hit rankings, even though you've explained it several times.
One suggestion...it might be a good idea to split the hit rankings into two sections, one for the "Corporate" Linux distibutions (Ubuntu, Mandriva, Suse, Xandros, Lindspire), and one for the "Community" Linux distributions (PCLinuxOS, Memphis, Linux Mint, etc). That way, we might be able to get away from all the distro bashing, which only does Microsoft any good.
158 • RE 157 (by KimTjik on 2007-08-10 08:42:18 GMT from Sweden)
A good idea, but I suppose the differentiating line between the two would be blurry. RedHat is definately a "Corporate" distribution, but what about Fedora? It tries to be more and more of a "Community" distribution and still you can't deny its origin; further it provides solutions for servers and desktop use.
Pure "Corporate" ones are few: should we include Novell, but exclude Suse (open); how to define which *buntu to be "Corporate" and which not, since it's a kind of hybrid between community driven and corporate offers of support?
Generally speaking I think your idea JohnF is good, but I'm affraid it will just lead to more uproar over definitions. Besides that it might even become confusing for new users: is corporate better or is a community driven to prefer because...?
On the other hand I don't have any other suggestion.
159 • RE 157 : Modifying the way distrs are counted would create heterogeneities (by dbrion on 2007-08-10 09:14:17 GMT from France)
in DW HR:
as these hit ratii are very skilfully and carefully monitored not to have gross cheating, if another type of presentation was added, one could no more compare (say) next years' DW HR with last year (and those hit ratii were connected with Linux growth => one would loose a cheap indicator of Linux growth/decline)
Meseems the best thing one can do is to consider that a limited amount of "cheating " (or constant in proportions in great time scales, all distrs confounded) is part of linux audience and doesnot that matter...
Besides from being reasonably controlled, DW stats have the huge advantage of giving hints about chronology (first 6 months of 2005, say)
I do not know whether BigPound valuable statistics (they measure something else: the number of downloads [ if distrs were shoes, DW stats would be the number of pple looking at the sheller's shoes -or going with friends to look at the shoes'shop-, BigPond would measure the number of sold shoes -and one would not know the number of worn shoes, nor the number of wounded feet-] can give an history (they are presented AFAIK from the very beginning, which varies...
As for distro bashing, the contrast between the claims and the results, or the arguments of the fanboys (Mint is greeen! I remember it) are so laughable it cannot be avoided, and seems , in this imperfect word, a sane practice.
Hourra, cornes-au-cul, vive le Père Ubu !
(A.Jarry La chanson du décervelage ~1895)
160 • 145 • RE: # 144 (PCLOS) (by Anonymous Penguin (by DeniZen at 2007-08-10 10:04:03 GMT from United Kingdom)
"It is nice that that comment should come from you [edit i.e. Tex], from all people, because your distro [edit - i.e. PCLOS] is at the opposite end of my tastes: I like it very much :D"
Interesting.
I checked out PCLOS 07 recently to see what its all about - I liked very very much too, its a superbly presented Distro.
But I had a major problem with it which I just couldnt find a get around for ( I did try) - and thats the way the X fonts looked - they were just awful ( *on _my_ system* at least) compared Debian or Mepis on the same box, using the same DE ... and seeing as I'm staring at fonts for virtually everything I do ..
Clearly that cannot be the case with PCLOS for everyone, can it?
How are the fonts in PCLOS for you - i.e. compared to how they looked in that errr... 'rubbish' distro you tried? ;)
161 • PcLinuxOs fonts (by Dubigrasu on 2007-08-10 11:30:19 GMT from Romania)
Well, this is a first for me...I've never had any problems with Pclos fonts or heard anybody complaining about that, but I don't argue with you.I'm using PCLOS since 0.92 version and I've always been pleased with the general look (fonts and icons). If a distro had ugly fonts...well, that was Suse 10.2, but I'm talking about default settings here,with a bit of work you can make any distro's font look very nice. I'm also not very happy with Ubuntu's default fonts look....Anyway, the Font in my PCLOS are great from the beginning, I've done nothing to improve them.
162 • RE: # 160,161 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2007-08-10 12:38:21 GMT from Italy)
DeniZen wrote:
"How are the fonts in PCLOS for you?"
Dubigrasu wrote:
"I've always been pleased with the general look (fonts and icons). If a distro had ugly fonts...well, that was Suse 10.2"
I agree with Dubigrasu, absolutely. Much to my regret because overall SUSE is one of my favs. Debian Etch, on the other hand, has also beautiful fonts.
163 • re: PcLinuxOs fonts (by DeniZen at 2007-08-10 12:45:27 GMT from United Kingdom)
I dont doubt you whatsover.
I know the fonts in PCLOS must look truly great on many other peoples systems, otherwise PCLOS wouldnt (couldnt!) be so popular.
There must be something about my Radeon and particular model of monitor - or something that just doesnt work well as a combo with PCLOS.
I do know how to try to get the best out of fonts in X, but I failed completely with PCLOS.
Debian fonts (for me) OTOH are superb with nothing more complicated than setting the hinting right in KDE.
Mepis 6.5 even more so - truly amaxing - breathtakingly crisp fonts - on my system.
I've seen the opposite said about Mepis... ;)
If I was a newbie, and had taken the oft-quoted advice (and its very good advice) to go with PCLOS, then - on my particular system- I just may have decided that 'Linux fonts are not anywhere as good as XP's' and it may have been a reason to go back to XP.
So the point to make is, featurers that seperate Distros are one thing, but also milage varies dependent on your own specific hardware, and its another reason to try a few flavours for yourself before settling.
D.
164 • try a few flavours (by Dubigrasu on 2007-08-10 13:26:46 GMT from Romania)
"I just may have decided that 'Linux fonts are not anywhere as good as XP's" and "try a few flavours for yourself before settling".
This cannot be more true.That is why I'm a bit annoyed by the fact that windows users who try to switch to Linux land, they always (almost) test PCLinuxOs or Ubuntu first, and if they do not work properly because of some problems, they quit and draw the conclusion that LINUX IS NO GOOD.Don't get me wrong...I also think that those distros are the best way to make the first step in Linux (Suse also) but maybe they are to much in the spotlight. I mean, there are SO MANY other real good distros that a newbie can miss just because he heard only about PCLOS or Ubuntu.Maybe I'm wrong...that's what I think...hope that nobody bite my head off...
165 • Be constructive, not destructive (by Anonymous on 2007-08-10 14:20:04 GMT from United States)
Distro bashing is BAD for Linux. There's really not that much difference between major distros. No objective person would call Ubuntu (or whatever major distro) rubbish unless they just want to bash Linux as a whole. Ubuntu, PCLOS, etc. are excellent distros. Calling one of them rubbish, is really calling Linux rubbish. When I see it happen, I wonder why someone who supposedly likes Linux would want to bash it.
All distros have flaws. If you point out actual particular flaws, and even better if you have suggestions for improvement, and even better if you help make the improvements, then that's GOOD for Linux. You can even say it in a rude, vindictive way if you must, as long as it's constructive.
166 • Fonts in KDE (by davecs on 2007-08-10 14:26:09 GMT from United Kingdom)
I like the way the fonts are presented in PCLinuxOS, but I aware that some prefer the way they are presented in Windows. It can also vary for different monitors. But in all KDE desktops this can be changed simply by the Control Centre. You can even use gtk-qt-engine for this to affect gtk2-based programs. So what's the fuss?
If you've got a distro that works in every other respect, fonts ought to be the least of your problems!
167 • Distro bashing (by Dubigrasu on 2007-08-10 15:23:23 GMT from Romania)
I really hope that "Be constructive, not destructive" is not pointed at me.I did not bash any distro in my posts.PLEASE read again .I said clearly:"I also think that those distros are the best way to make the first step in Linux" I don't know how you reach to that conclusion! How can I praise them and bashing at the same time? I've also said: "I'm using PCLOS since 0.92 version and I've always been pleased with the general look (fonts and icons)."So...I use PCLOS for some years and bashing it also?That makes sense for you? And DeniZen, (post nr 160) used the word "rubbish" only as a joke man! He put a smile after that word . You don't get it? I mean, if you are here just for jumping to other people's throats for expressing their opinions, maybe is the wrong place to stay.Please read carefully other people's post before draw your conclusions.
And davecs...well, I think you are wrong and you are right :).DeniZen and I were talking about the DEFAULT fonts and a newbie first time experience with Linux. I very much agree with you that customizing fonts is not a problem:"with a bit of work you can make any distro's font look very nice" but that is true for me,for you and many other Linux users.For a windows user is not the same thing, he maybe never adjusted fonts in windows (why would he?)and he is often unaware of endless posibilities that Linux has to offer.The first experience has a great impact about him when he is thinking about Linux.So for a newbie is a fuss.But OTOH you are right again:"If you've got a distro that works in every other respect, fonts ought to be the least of your problems!"
So ""165"' I hope that you misunderstood me or you were not talking about me in wich case I apologize.Sorry for my english if any mistakes were made.
168 • RE: # 165 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2007-08-10 15:49:05 GMT from Italy)
"Distro bashing is BAD for Linux. There's really not that much difference between major distros. No objective person would call Ubuntu (or whatever major distro) rubbish unless they just want to bash Linux as a whole."
There are *plenty* of long time Debian users (I am one of them) who have a strong dislike for Ubuntu. Why? A couple of reasons:
1)Ubuntu was the first distro to ever fork Debian, and nobody has ever given a really good explanation why that was necessary.
2)Ubuntu has always given the impression that it has a hidden agenda.
This article is a very good example of what I mean:
http://www.libervis.com/article/ubuntu_derivative_or_fork?page=1
Some pretty strong criticism has come from nobody less than Ian Murdock:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=375
I won't even mention how many times in the past I have read from Ubuntu zealots:
"Debian must die" (OK, I know that doesn't really matter, but maybe it is a sign of some sort).
Add to that more objective reasons about the distro itself (more about that later), and you'll see that critcizing Ubuntu is *not* the same as criticizing Linux as a whole. Ubuntu is quite unique in the history of Linux, IMO.
169 • ? critisizing = bashing ? (by Anonymous on 2007-08-10 16:02:38 GMT from United States)
there are a lot of distros and i have used many and have found none perfect or as reliable as i dreamed when i first installed each distro .. that's funny when i think about it
so each needs critisizing .. but to point out specifics about the software and even specifics about the stated philosophy of the distro or even the way that the forums are run is not bashing in my opinion ..
i think bashing is what we see so often in linux forums and here about windows .. that's bashing (winblows windoze windo$e internet exploder etc) .. do we do that sort of thing against distros?
well we get mad when it comes around that so-and-so distro made a deal with microsoft .. is that bashing the distro that did it? of course not
i hate xandros and everything it stands for .. is that a bash? no .. xandro$ $ux is bashing.
170 • RE: 169 (by Landor on 2007-08-10 16:39:56 GMT from Canada)
"well we get mad when it comes around that so-and-so distro made a deal with microsoft .. is that bashing the distro that did it? of course not"
I was a long time fan of SUSE, way back, in SUSE years..lol
Anyway, my son made me rethink my position on it, since he asked me if I thought 10.3 would be any good.
After some thought, and having ran a few different businesses of my own over the years I figured I would do the same.
In theory, and yes it's a working theory here, but in theory regardless. Open source is a great concept but when it comes to a commercial company, like Novell now who have the desire to make profits, need to keep their staff employed, ie: food on the table for many. Who wouldn't make a deal with another company that would ensure they would continue to do that just mentioned. I don't know the who deal between MS or Novell/SUSE but I am quite sure that any one person here who had a company make 100's of thousands or millions of dollars per year wouldn't hesitate to consider an agreement with another company that would allow them to keep doing just that.
I'm sure I'll get bashed for the above, and I'm sure I'll hear something regarding Canonical or Redhat and the fact they haven't bowed down, but remember one thing, we're talking about business here, not the morality of a belief structure and I think that has to be weighed into conclusion before any hate happens.
For the record, more than probably most here. I can't stand MS and their many thefts over their history and I was around when the IBM and APPLE hustles were brand new, and disgusting. In fact I still hold a loyalty to a man and his product abd still do, who was screwed over for intellectual rights a long time ago, a man I knew well, Phil Katz,I wonder how many even know who that is... But, for a company like Novell, business is business.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
171 • fonts n stuff (by fonty python on 2007-08-10 16:56:46 GMT from Canada)
It says alot for linux desktop progress that we are now arguing about fonts and not more major issues.
I have found the basic fonts in pclos not that attractive but it is easily changed and I think that pclos tries to be usable by many and so has basic large fonts.
Tho pclos is very good in my opinion - the main reason for its sucsess on distrowatch rankings is its name - a windows migrater will always check out something called "PClinuxos" than for example "sabayon" or debian - the name is descriptive of what it does. Then people find it to be very usable and word of mouth spreads.
The real shame about pclos is that I dont think it knows how to please its target audience - For example, many including myself , found pclinuxos at a time when they were looking for a beryl experiance that could be setup by a fairly amateur linux user. At that time pclinuxos had the best out of the box beryl experience going - plus being kde and plus having codecs etc
So now these eye candy fans have their beryl ( and now compiz fusion thanks to a community member ) but no kiba dock ,awn or other apps - due to i think the severe lack of packages in the pclinuxos repos.
Then on the other hand you have the pclos users from before 2007 that loved it for the stability , ease of use , etc - these users are now complaining about "feryl" beryl and how they dont like all this fancy new stuff" (plus the new users it bought with it!)
In my opinion - pclos has to try and be the eye candy champ- plus remain stable - this is a good way to go to keep both sides happy.
(I use pclos because "it just works" a little better than everything else)
172 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2007-08-10 17:05:09 GMT from United States)
@167 - No, it was not directed at you but at post #121 for example, which was a meaningless bash, as well as at many other posts of a similar nature that keep appearing here.
@168 - So, now you've clarified that you aren't criticizing the quality of the distro after all. It's that you don't like Canonical's/Ubuntu's behavior, motives, etc. Fine, but those things don't make the quality of their distro any better or worse. But all you said was "I decided to try the latest Ubuntu and Kubuntu today (I hadn't tried the latest yet) and and I found them rubbish as usual." -- That comment hurts ALL Linux. First because it's not true. Second many people who don't know much about Linux are starting to hear about Ubuntu and to them Ubuntu IS Linux.To them you just said Linux is rubbish, stay away from it. Why not let people try Linux in whatever way, even if it's with a distro YOU don't like. They will soon learn about all the other distros, try them if they want, and they can decide for themselves which one they want to use, based on what works for them and how they feel about the distributors.
173 • fonts again! (by Denizen at 2007-08-10 17:14:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
Re Fonts: you wrote:
" in all KDE desktops this can be changed simply by the Control Centre. You can even use gtk-qt-engine for this to affect gtk2-based programs. So what's the fuss?"
yes you can change the font settings in KDE on any distro running KDE, but the end results will not be the same.
i.e. on *my* system I can easily make the fonts in Mepis (KDE) look superb (via KDE font settings. They looked pretty good before I tinkered BTW.
Using the exactly the same 'tactics' (KDE font settings) on some other distro's has not resulted anything like the same font quality.
Same system - same Desktop Environment.
I hope that explains.
It may seem like a small point, but to me (and maybe others) and in terms of true usability - its a very major point.
174 • @172 (by Dubigrasu on 2007-08-10 17:16:53 GMT from Romania)
Sorry man, really sorry!
175 • @ "Fonty Python" (liked that ;) (by Anonymous on 2007-08-10 17:21:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
"It says alot for linux desktop progress that we are now arguing about fonts and not more major issues."
Good point, well made.
Absolutely.
Its all come a looong way forward of late.
Its down to the fine detail now, and we're closing in on the deal ;)
Viva la Penguin / Daemon !!
176 • RE: # 172 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2007-08-10 17:31:52 GMT from Italy)
"168 - So, now you've clarified that you aren't criticizing the quality of the distro after all. It's that you don't like Canonical's/Ubuntu's behavior, motives, etc. Fine, but those things don't make the quality of their distro any better or worse"
Wrong again. I wrote:
"Add to that more objective reasons about the distro itself (more about that later)"
Maybe it wasn't clear enough, but I meant "technical reasons". I decided to start with the "political" reasons first. In another occasion (a full review?) I'll explain what I don't like Ubuntu as a distro.
177 • re:154 (by beany on 2007-08-10 18:07:00 GMT from United States)
"would you pclos waterboys please stop your marketing here in
the distrowatch forums! PLEASE!?
there are a lot of distros, you are not what you think you are!!"
what are you talking about....are you "flameboy"?
i'm not sure what a fanboy or a waterboy is. , but there are people who are happy with the way their distro is working for them. I suppose also there are people who are pissy about how happy someone else can be.
It does not hurt this website to have a few pleasant people occasionally posting something pleasurable. It may give the curious "other OS" users peeking in a positive idea of Linux distros.
I use X distro and am very happy with it....I don't need to bash Y distro and it's users.
178 • pclos (by f. Ann. bwoi on 2007-08-10 18:34:27 GMT from Canada)
I cant wait for the new pclos mini me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pclos rooles ok
it rocks
my mouth waters
cant sleep
179 • No subject (by linux on 2007-08-10 19:29:27 GMT from Canada)
Actually, the main problems most linux users face is one of two things.
1
Distro does not work outof the box - could be a big showstopper bug or not being able to play media etc
2 breaks easily - dreamlinux looked fantastic - could you upgrade propeerly - hell no - damn shame
same with sidux
other problems are - flameboys - rather be a fanboy than a flameboy - and the repos for most major distros are either outdated or missing key apps - some kind of mass repo for all distros would be great -
Also why so many distros? Its because people want their five minutes of fame- how many distros have a real place?/or are just makin up the numbers?
180 • re: 180 (by beany on 2007-08-10 21:46:48 GMT from United States)
I suppose it would be an honor to be Texstar's waterboy, there are worse things to be after all. Karl Rove's pizza boy? I'm really not sure if I qualify to be a waterboy. I can see life beyond my current distro. I still shop around.....installed a few here and there. I've even paid money (beyond donation) to use a distro.
I believe in Linux. I don't just come to the Distrowatch playground to get wedgies from trolls.
181 • re: 180 re:180 (by beany on 2007-08-10 21:52:56 GMT from United States)
huh? I was posting a reply to LOL who said I was Texstar's waterboy. His posting was deleted by a moderator I suppose.
182 • Money talks and BS walks! (by Money money, plenty funny on 2007-08-11 00:47:27 GMT from Australia)
Linux needs money to move forward and without corporate or state backing it will NOT go very far!
183 • Thanks for your response, KimTjik! :) (by JohnF on 2007-08-11 01:00:37 GMT from United States)
My thoughts are as follows...I think it should be up to the distros themselves as to what category they should go to (or possibly both!) when they are submitted to Distrowatch. Certain Distros are obviously pointed to the Corporate Desktop and Server area (regular releases, security updates, paid support, etc.), while others cater to the general Community Desktop (community input and involvement, developers who interact in forums). I think it would be a useful barometer for the people who visit Distrowatch, to have things split in this way...like distros can be judged based on common parameters.
Again, even though I enjoy using PCLinuxOS, I always suggest windows users who want to try Linux test out several distros based on THEIR particular needs, preferences and equipment. OSDIR.com is a wonderful resource to see what a distro looks like, and I cannot praise Ladislav enough for this wonderful resource for finding and evaluating other distros. In my own case, after a few years of getting used to this OS, I'm sure I'll be testing out things like Debian and Slackware (as well as others), just to challenge myself and learn.
184 • Re 159...BigPond would measure the number of sold shoes (by Free Shoes on 2007-08-11 01:08:06 GMT from Australia)
>I do not know whether BigPound valuable statistics (they measure something else: the number of downloads [ if distrs were shoes, DW stats would be the number of pple looking at the sheller's shoes -or going with friends to look at the shoes'shop-, BigPond would measure the number of sold shoes -and one would not know the number of worn shoes, nor the number of wounded feet-] can give an history (they are presented AFAIK from the very beginning, which varies...<
Very humourous analogy, keep up the good work!
We need to laugh more often!!! :-)
Keep in mind that the "shoes" don't cost anything but download time to "buy" and if they are uncomfortable ("wounded feet") to wear, you can just discard them (throw them in trash/rubbish bin). I have discarded many a pair of "shoes" to date but "shop" much less these days (suffering from distroburnout).
Cheers
185 • Study this guide and you might learn to spot some of the distro touts (by Anti Spruiker on 2007-08-11 01:22:19 GMT from Australia)
....that seem to congregate here (DWF) to "sell" you something you don't need or is of dubious quality.
The Backpacker's guide to getting ripped off
http://blogs.smh.com.au/travel/archives/2007/06/the_backpackers_guide_to_getti.html
:-)
186 • suggestion for donation (by Anonymous on 2007-08-11 01:33:09 GMT from Canada)
This is a very cool geographical wiki-like project. I think it's a good candidate for a donation : http://www.openstreetmap.org
187 • Re 179 (by Anonymous on 2007-08-11 02:02:33 GMT from United States)
I completely agree with you !!!
188 • SCO goes down in flames: Novell owns Unix! (by Anonymous on 2007-08-11 03:19:44 GMT from Australia)
The day Linux fans have been waiting for since SCO attacked Linux on May 12, 2003 has finally arrived. U.S. District Court Judge Dale Kimball has ruled that Novell, not SCO, owns Unix's IP (intellectual property) rights.
[...]
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5738390641.html
189 • LINUXMINT web page? (by Anonymous on 2007-08-11 05:42:32 GMT from United States)
Any one knows what happen to Linux mint web page? is down
190 • @189 Linux Mint web page (by davecs on 2007-08-11 07:48:08 GMT from United Kingdom)
Just to say that, following the experience we had a PCLOS earlier this year, don't assume anything bad from a web page going down. They do from time to time, and as we found, particularly for a community distro, you can easily outgrow your hosting agreement.
It may be another case of: That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
191 • @188 SCO goes down (by davecs on 2007-08-11 07:52:00 GMT from United Kingdom)
Amazing really. After all the hype and FUD around the original lawsuit, I suspect that the excitement died down long ago and the demise of SCO may be met with a collective yawn.
That said, I will take a look at the article. Are we now in a position with Novell that we were with SCO? Has any decision been made regarding the alleged lines of code -- do they infringe ANYONE's copyright? Or is that still up in the air?
192 • Oops how silly of me (by davecs on 2007-08-11 07:56:22 GMT from United Kingdom)
Following my comment 191, and reading the link from 188, it occurred to me that as Novell has released the alleged copyrighted code under an opensource licence, that must be the end of the matter.
Let's hope so, eh?
193 • @178 is a typical example of a bash-less forum (GNU linux future?).... (by dbrion on 2007-08-11 09:20:36 GMT from France)
"
it rocks
" # So does a carefully managed MICROSOFT Windows XP IMO...
"
my mouth waters
cant sleep
"
# My heart beats.... (can I go lower?)
# Tomorrow will be better....
Congratulation for the richness of the info and the strength of your reasoning...
@165
" Ubuntu, PCLOS, etc. are excellent distros. Calling one of them rubbish, is really calling Linux rubbish. "
If GNU/linux intellectual value was limited to UBUlinux one, it would be sad... but there remain
* very nice Windows ports of useful GNU applications (Bigpond stats show some of them (W$ ported Gimp, Celestia, OpenOffice) are more popular than any full linux distr... { there are other sources of downloads countings}
* cygwin (a Red hat's bright idea ... a century ago) or mingw.
* xxxBSDs....
=> I do not fear to call rubbish rubbish...
Voyez, voyez la machin’ tourner,
Voyez, voyez la cervell’ sauter,
Voyez, voyez les Rentiers trembler ;
(Chœurs) : Hourra, cornes-au-cul, vive le Père Ubu !
(Jarry, A. La chanson du décervelage, ca 1895)
fear to call rubbish rubbish...
194 • RE 188 "So now Solaris has to change its approach?" (by KimTjik on 2007-08-11 09:30:35 GMT from Sweden)
Might this explain why Solaris "appointed ex-Debian's Ian Murdock to the position of Chief OS Platform Strategist". Solaris felt, and really was, threatened by IBM's implementation of Linux (fair competition though) so they decided - in my view a disastrous move - to support SCO in its battle. I mean they must have for some time sensed that SCO will loose, thus could that explain why Solaris now want to establish itself on the desktop market (IBM and Linux has really limited Solaris market)? I wonder, because IBM won't disappear and is continuously doing well.
All in all this makes up an odd mix ingredients of a sour soup. Novell was sued by SCO which evidently indirectly and partly was financed by MS; Novell makes a deal with MS which actually caught MS with their pants off since they didn't comprehend the licenses of Linux. Are Novell really that smart or it's just coincidences?
....................................................................
RE 183: Yeh, I thought about that option as well. If they choose themselves to which category they belong it could be a smooth transition. But I bet that some probably would insist on being presented in both categories! Ladislav does a great work, hence I wonder if such a reorganization would make his burden even greater. Let's what will happen. Without doubt there's so many distros nowadays that it's difficult to get a fair overview.
195 • Where is Linux? (by Geoff on 2007-08-11 13:17:03 GMT from United States)
Recall this:
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
Summary: small poll for my new operating system
Message-ID: <1991Aug25.205708.9541@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Date: 25 Aug 91 20:57:08 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
Hello everybody out there using minix -
I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones. This has been brewing
since april, and is starting to get ready.I'd like any feedback on
things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat
(same physical layout of the file-system(due to practical reasons)
among other things). I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40),and
things seem to work.This implies that I'll get something practical within a
few months, andI'd like to know what features most people would want. Any
suggestions are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)
Linus (torvalds@kruuna.helsinki.fi)
PS. Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs.
It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's
all I have :-(.
And then, this:
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Free minix-like kernel sources for 386-AT
Message-ID: <1991Oct5.054106.4647@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Date: 5 Oct 91 05:41:06 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
Do you pine for the nice days of minix-1.1, when men were men and wrote their own device drivers?
Are you without a nice project and just dying to cut your teeth on a OS you can try to modify for your
needs? Are you finding it frustrating when everything works on minix? No more all-nighters to get a nifty program working? Then this post might be just for you :-)
As I mentioned a month(?)ago, I'm working on a free version of a minix-lookalike for AT-386 computers. It has
finally reached the stage where it's even usable (though may not be depending on
what you want), and I am willing to put out the sources for wider distribution. It is just version 0.02 (+1 (very
small) patch already), but I've successfully run bash/gcc/gnu-make/gnu-sed/compress etc under it.
Sources for this pet project of mine can be found at nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) in the directory /pub/OS/Linux.
The directory also contains some README-file and a couple of binaries to work under linux
(bash, update and gcc, what more can you ask for :-). Full kernel source is provided, as no minix code has been
used. Library sources are only partially free, so that cannot be distributed currently. The system is able to compile
"as-is" and has been known to work. Heh. Sources to the binaries (bash and gcc) can be found at the
same place in /pub/gnu.
And Windows dominates the computing world, still. Over a thousand Linux distributions later.
Discuss. Explain. Question.
196 • Judge: Novell, Not SCO, Owns UNIX Copyrights (by nedvis on 2007-08-11 16:08:23 GMT from United States)
..."Utah District Court Judge Dale Kimball has handed Novell a partial, but still sizable, chunk of victory in its very, very long-running dispute brought on by SCO Group: Even after an asset purchase agreement between Novell and the Santa Cruz Operation (SCO's predecessor company), it is Novell that owns the copyrights to the UNIX operating system and to UnixWare."
http://www.betanews.com/article/Judge_Novell_Not_SCO_Owns_UNIX_Copyrights/1186786426
197 • unix, linux (by werner at 2007-08-11 19:35:05 GMT from France)
I'm doubtful if we should be glad that Novell owes Unix, because Nowell is almost bancrupt and token over by Microsoft.
On the other side, the process is about Unix and not about Linux, and much more important than the judgement, w.r.t. Unix, are the details which appeared during the process, w.r.t. Linux.
I think the most important is that Nowell and also Caldera (so that's really is not relevant whom owed Unix) agreed not to incorporate/use anything of Unix for put into their Linux distributions, because Unix would be obselete and too old for can use something from it, instead of re-writing. And each of the two also decided, to reduce or stop the development of Unix in favour of that of Linux, which, although both tried to comercialize it, both recognized it as an open project and going also their own work on Linux into the public domain. They cannot transfer more than they still owe, so that this limits also all their followers, no matter if this will be Microsoft (in case of a Novell bancrupcy) or was SCO after Caldeia.
198 • Mepis and Ubuntu (by Landor on 2007-08-11 19:57:35 GMT from Canada)
I had to shake my head over the release of the KDE 4 dvd of Mepis. I went and read the full release and it was amusing to say the least.
Mepis stopped using Ubuntu as it's base because of it's bugs, always being basically a new release each version, not one built, tried, tested and true from previous releases. Yet now what is Mepis doing, using Ubuntu's development of KDE 4 instead of Debian's.
Sure they said it's more stable than Debian's at present, but it sounds to me like the Mepis crew doesn't know which ship they're sailing on.
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
199 • Dirbert's take on open source (by nedvis on 2007-08-11 20:31:54 GMT from United States)
http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2007018331803.gif
200 • Mandiva (by werner on 2007-08-11 20:35:03 GMT from France)
Impressionant the news of Mandriva !
HOWEVER, ALL THIS IS IN VAIN BECAUSE THEY DONT GET THROUGH ANOTHER THING.
Several times I installed Mandriva for other people, but at the end they didnt want it, and I had it to substitute by Slackwere or something else.
WHY ? Until today, Mandrake didnt get working the common modems in France. And the persons dont want to stay without internet.
These modems, are, among others, Sagem Fast 800, Bewan ADSL Combo = Thomson Speedtouch 530. The only what one can get working, with amount of effort, is Wanadoo LiveBox.
201 • No subject (by killer at 2007-08-12 10:15:21 GMT from Italy)
@ werner
so why don't you tell to adam what's wrong? i don't think these modems don't work, maybe it's you that can't install and configure it properly
202 • Novell owns the IP that SCO sold to Sun. (by Distrowatch Reader on 2007-08-12 10:15:35 GMT from United States)
When is Distrowatch going to remove Open Solaris or ANY illegal Novell IP that was stolen by SCO.
Is this a WAREZ SITE???
203 • @200 Mandriva and certain modems (by davecs on 2007-08-12 10:18:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
Before PCLinuxOS added proper support for the Sagem F@st800 I wrote a script which made it and the Thomson Speedtouch 330 work for two relatives and outlined what I did in the forum. That was for the UK using PPPoA. The scripts were based on something I did when I first started using Linux with Mandrake 9.x to stop a CDCether USB connection "dropping" and believe me, I'm no programmer.
The other thing is that the sites which describe how to get them working are French sites. No excuse for not reading them if you're French!
The article I did for PCLinuxOS was based on leaving out all the stuff not necessary in the UK, but I did add a bit of my own, that is, creating a loop which checks for the connection being dropped so it can be restarted. Seems that's a common problem with USB internet connections. It was here:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=58&topic=10481.0
There are reasons I don't use Mandriva, but I think the previous post was unfair I reckon I could have got at least two of those modems working under Mandriva.
204 • Microsoft's claims of patent infringement are dead!! (by Distrowatch Reader on 2007-08-12 10:40:45 GMT from United States)
Ha Ha
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/18341
205 • re 203 & 200 - Touting again? :-) (by Anti Spruiker on 2007-08-12 10:51:47 GMT from Australia)
The Backpacker's guide to getting ripped off
http://blogs.smh.com.au/travel/archives/2007/06/the_backpackers_guide_to_getti.html
You PCLosers are BORING!!!
206 • re 203 & 200 - Touting again? (by JohnF on 2007-08-12 14:47:29 GMT from United States)
Sorry, Anti Spruiker...apparently, you didn't attend any of the fine Australian schools, otherwise you would have acutally READ those posts!
#200 was from someone who was trying to get Mandriva to work on French Modems. #203 was from davecs, who was trying to help werner get Mandriva working...in NO way was he saying to use PCLinuxOS!
Didn't keep you from bashing, but again, who have you helped? The whole point of
FOSS is to help others. If we like our distros, fine, if others don't, that's fine too...but people who want Linux to succeed help others if they can. Those who just bash without contributing are no better than Microsoft Trolls.
207 • No subject (by adlucem on 2007-08-12 14:54:39 GMT from France)
re 174 & 205: posting a link twice for the same reason is just as boring. If one wants to despise a perceived strategy, I find it strange to adopt the said strategy.
After my own little rant, to bring a bit of content (even if it's rather off topic), here's a paper about communities and social software:
http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html
ps: it seems my post didn t go through. trying again, sorry in advance for any inconvenience.)
208 • RE 200 : Mandriva 's VERY slow agony... (by dbrion on 2007-08-12 15:02:14 GMT from France)
It is funny or crual to look at what was posted ONE year ago, to see whether prejudices changed:
"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
132 • Slackware, Zenwalk, g77 Fortran Compiler (by werner, Cayenne at 2006-10-04 17:14:07 GMT from France)
@#106: For me, the biggest (and a really BIG !) problem is that appearently with the f77/g77 GNU F77 compiler one can not get a compiling list (ie a list with line nr., source-code-line, and immediately after any possible error message.) For serious work - inclusive, error trace and debugging - this is absolutely necessary. This is the first F77 compiler what I see what dont produce such a compiler list !!
@#110: How one can go in internet with Zenwalk ? There is nothing similar like kppp, where one can type in telefon-no of the provider, user-name, pasword of the connection !!
Mandrake, I used it during years, at the time of the 9.1 - 10.1 version, but gradually it falled indecadency, inclusive its slow and 'heavy' - not only the administration itself like the Mdk control center, but also the system and running programs. For me, its dying. "
Well, Mandriva has not yet benn euthanasied.... (il ne faut jamais vendre la peau de l'ours avant de l'avoir tué .... et d'être sûr qu'il est bien mort.
BTW : I looked (with VMplayer -which make hardware details utterly irrelevant) Mandriva 2008. with an infamous {g(r)eek letter}.
I was pleasantly surprised : only two very minor packages were broken (with MNdv 2007.0, it was at least ten times more, though she was a release version..)... I could have my favourite application compiled, as compilers (like anything I tryed) worked....
I am very favorably impressed by the progresses that were made (last year, betas CD seemed unusable) This goes far beyond a (very limited, I hope: at least geographically: these Holy modems are of bad quality) hardware issue
Is that that you call "being dying"?
La mauvaise herbe a la vie dure...
209 • re: 205 (by beany on 2007-08-12 15:05:42 GMT from United States)
At least they (203 and 204) are here to talk about Linux stuff.
You are just being rude.
Although I love a good story about people who travel to other countries so that they can be exploited...what the hell did it have to do with this website?
Well actually I did enjoy reading it. I live in the United States so I gets scammed every day.
It's called the American Health Care System!!!
210 • cor 208 Quotation was from (by dbrion on 2007-08-12 15:11:11 GMT from France)
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20061002&mode=18
post 132 (• Slackware, Zenwalk, g77 Fortran Compiler (by werner, Cayenne at 2006-10-04 17:14:07 GMT from France)
).
211 • KNOPPIX 5.1.1 (by Chris on 2007-08-12 21:45:43 GMT from Canada)
I first heard about knoppix through a work collegue who mentioned it during a conversation a few of us were having a couple of months or so ago. Well a few weeks later I was curious so I looked knoppix up on the web, didn't really know what linux was, but I downloaded my first knoppix 5.1.1 CD and Very cool indeed! I bought a couple of computer systems with no Operating systems and I thought Knoppix would be the first thing to get them up and running. Sure enough and once again, very cool!
A few application programs on Windows I would like to use in Knoppix so I hope WINE or Cedena will work well for me. But I'm new to Knoppix and linux in general. I'm still learning but I'm taking Knoppix as my first baby as I am already sort of attached to it so I don't want to switch. However I am looking forward to the Knoppix 5.2.1 release, even though I have barely even started with knoppix. Hearing about Klaus Knopper working on the Adriane project I'm beginning, as most people are, to wonder how Knoppix will be able to hold up in the future. I hope it holds on, it appears to be one of the more attractive and versatile environments to work with.
My second choice seems to be clear, Fedora. I've got a lot of reading to do and my choice might change but for now my second sights are on obtaining the latest copy of Fedora, it's got a nice hot air balloon desktop background. However I love the Knoppix 5.1.1 desktop background of the lake in front of the mountains.
I am somewhat surprised that Knoppix isn't closer to the top of the list, maybe it's 10th place popularity is due to the fact that it's meant more for a live cd rather than a hard drive install. That may have been a driving factor that if people wanted a hard drive installed linux system, they wouldn't go with knoppix but some other linux, or it may just be that a lot of people don't use knoppix. But I really have no clue as I'm just a beginner.
212 • Curiouser &......mus_B C sik (by Anonymous on 2007-08-12 23:36:24 GMT from Canada)
In all the fervour of subjective opinions of Distributions
and the inevitable straying from "sights" into hotter regions
One startling fact is never mentioned:
The WEB (ARPANET) & computers (mainframe) > now P/C's_
were meant to enhance productivity/research of LINKED
(formerly disparate) groups with common need
So how is now most commonly used ?
As a "toe-dipping" into fascinating waters
Connected - yes > artificially !
By people who shut themselve off from surroundings/family/friends
Then spend in-ordinate time on-line swapping "B(I)tes" 8>( w/strangers.
Take the cell phones (PLEASE) in (questionable) use everywhere
Driving, restaurants, movies.
What was the norm B4 > face_2_face where at least body-language
didn't mix up intent - nor distort/shield consequences of rude behaviour
DW ~ 4me - is still a used, pointed to resource of data
My needs will be confirmed by useage - not opinions/reviews/rankings
Ladislav pointed it out once again:
Use his valuable one-stop site as a shopping guide
The contents of shelves are "bought" @ USER's tastes only
Get it home - don't taste so good > try adding own spice
(or make own from bare-ingredients THEN see just how good yours seems)
Pretty hard to offer rebates if all was free.
The only expence - will be your time
ON-line ??? Try kicking your neighbours' dog & see the results
Nuff sed - the mouse just bit me & my monitor is ROTFL_L (my)AO
213 • RE: 211 (by Landor on 2007-08-13 00:12:29 GMT from Canada)
Hello fellow Canadian and welcome to the world of Open Source!
Knoppix was a trailblazer for Linux and few if any will dispute that. It's a great distro packed into a live environment and many, including myself have a copy of it handy for on the fly recovery solutions and such.
It's more than that though. I have a partition on another system with Knoppix on it and it's just as good as anything else. Some reasons for favour of other distros are newer releases, bleeding edge software, eye candy and the like. But none of that truly makes any distro any better than the rest for one simple reason, every linux distribution can be just like any other linux distribution since they're all based on very similar software, the kernel, etc.
If you like Knoppix, go for it, it's a good piece of work, and as above, you can tweak it to exactly how you want it like you can any other flavour of linux. Even a lot of the how-to's you find for other distros can be made to fit or simply done verbatum to make things work for you.
I hope you enjoy your experience with Knoppix and Linux and feel free to ask questions, the majority in forums, homepages of specific distros, programs, and even here, are willing to answer questions without pause. :)
Keep your stick on the ice...
Landor
214 • Mandriva, french modems (by werner on 2007-08-13 00:24:54 GMT from France)
On internet one find instructions how to get working some modems using ppp_atm, extracting firmware etc etc.
I had no success until now to doing this in the same manner. At the end, each attempt to install Mandrake for someone, failed. Its quite possible that I made something wrong. However thats not the important. The important is:
ITS SUPPOSED THAT MANDRAKE MANAGED IT, TO MAKE AN AUTO-INSTALL SCRIPT FOR THE MOST COMMON FRENCH MODEMS, WHAT EACH AVERAGE PERSON CAN USE SUCCESSFUL !!!!!
Its just this an example, what's still missing. I have installed 30.000 programs. But my webcam dont work, my bluetooth dont work, and after 4 days ago I changed from orange to outremer-telecom, during 3 days I didnt get working the f'ing BeWan ADSL modem and used a 56k serial modem, and at the 4th day recovered a Wanadoo Live Box whats working with the new provider too (but only because at the beginning I had adjusted it under Windows). Thousands of barthy open-source jonkeys dont get it through that Linux can be used in the everyday practics. Microsoft would make working my and other people's web-camara, bluetooth, modem. For this they merit the payment what they claim. And the people are tired, always when you bauy something, to have to search days in the internet how to get it working and at the end you dont get it, there people prefere to pay (even I although Im receiving only RMI)
215 • No subject (by werner on 2007-08-13 00:27:25 GMT from France)
addendum: ITS JUST THIS, WHAT HAVE TO BECOME BETTER WITH LINUX, THAT IT MERITS TO ENTER IN THE DESKTOP AREA, AND ITS THIS WHAT I RECLAIMED REF. MANDRAKE
216 • RE 216 , 215: Your characters are not high enough (by dbrion on 2007-08-13 06:22:41 GMT from France)
A 10 times higher police would work.
BTW, I know pple who install Mandrivas by themselves, without buying nor counting the number of progs "they install" (ie a package manager extracted and put it on a right? place on the disk [they count their merits, not the package manager's ones])
Any way, I think that, if one has some exotic hardware one can afford, it is just a matter of decency (I suppose it is even in a linuxian dictionary) to pay for the developpement of { limited use+limited geographic diffusion +limited life expectancy } drivers for this hardware....
217 • RE 211 Knoppix limited success. (by dbrion on 2007-08-13 06:35:03 GMT from France)
" am somewhat surprised that Knoppix isn't closer to the top of the list"
There may be two reasons:
* DW HR do not exactly reflect one distr's use, but curiosity about her (they are meant for it) or fanboyism (for obscure reasons, one shows one's loove for a distr by clicking on her....)
* Knoppix is distributed among friends (even download counts are not realistic, then) and widely cloned: in France, Kaella (an elsewher obscure 95% Knoppix clone, but very nicely francised , slimmed and it recognised local exotic HW) is sold with papers; it has been given to school girls/boy in two regions: in term of Linux success, it is huge. I suppose there are many countries who make local Knoppix based distr (I also give knogames, and was very happy with Knosciences and knomaths: I donot know whether all of them are in DW).
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