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1 • AntiX (by proog on 2007-07-16 10:03:28 GMT from Denmark)
That AntiX sure sounds pretty nice. I'm having a hard time finding proper distros that work on my old laptop - maybe this could be the right one to replace the current Damn Small install I have on it.
2 • FreeNAS (by Joaquim Gil on 2007-07-16 10:28:05 GMT from Portugal)
FreeNAS. What a nice distro! I'm using it for quite some time now and I'm very happy with it.
Running smooth with two 330GB IDE HDDs on a PII @ 333MHz with ONLY 64Mb of RAM for 6 non-stop months! No glitches, no problems.
Let's hope that v0.685b will get final real soon!
3 • Now look here, Susan (by Singed on 2007-07-16 10:32:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'd be the last to denigrate your prose, nor behave in any sexist way, but you've got to understand that the readership here is 99% male. So, if you plan any more stand-ins for Ladislav, we expect some beachware pics!!
As for AntiX, I found it more disappointing than the usual MEPIS breeze over set up, particularly network settings. Although everything works fairly well, I expected the drab desktop artwork to have been replaced now that there is a S African connection.
4 • SLAX v6.0.0 RC4 ISO (by Peter on 2007-07-16 11:17:56 GMT from Australia)
Couldn't help myself but give it a test run. Works great on my acer 1644wlmi notebook. Perfect setup and detection of dispaly graphics using the new intel driver for the 910/915 Intel graphics chipset.
It is just a live cd and also loads perfectly into memory, thus freeing up cd/dvd for burning etc (great rescue tool).
The Laptop power module does not load and thus no battery/cpu frequency power control. If this feature (plus net applet or knetworkmanager) could be enabled, it would be a great little distro.
Nice work!
If you are a Bigpond ADSL/CABLE subscriber, you can get it here:
http://files.bigpond.com/library/index.php?go=details&id=29594
5 • Beach Wear (by Jimbo on 2007-07-16 11:24:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
Lol, Beachwear FTW
6 • Beachware pics (by Bryan on 2007-07-16 11:25:52 GMT from United States)
#3 - Did you mean that you wanted pictures of Ladislav on the beach?
7 • antix (by riklaunim on 2007-07-16 11:46:45 GMT from Poland)
AntiX iso is few megs bigger than Zenwalk. For me Antix is a compleate disaster - It doesn't look nice, it's not user friendly and usable (a lot of simple Xsomething apps) For example puppy is designed for very old hardware and it has much more applications and config tools, helpers than antix. Zenwalk is system that can be used daily as a desktop for normal user and it looks like a modern desktop. And I didn't saw all those GTK+ apps in menus.
8 • Linspire? (by Bry on 2007-07-16 12:21:10 GMT from China)
I don't know if it's been reported yet but I'm downloading Linspire 6.0 right now (I also don't know if it's a members-only download or a free one). CNR isn't live yet, though, so it probably won't be the complete Linspire experience.
Oh, and before anyone offers a caustic retort (and that's kinda redundant, I know) , I myself was disappointed with their "covenant" with everybody-here-knows-who. However, I still want to see what's up with their latest offering.
9 • Gobuntu? (by Matti on 2007-07-16 12:53:49 GMT from Finland)
We already have Debian, so what do we need Gobuntu for? Here's a cartoon about Shuttleworth's Gobuntu plans -- it's satirical but there might be something in it:
http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/taking-freedom-further
BTW, I just realized it's been almost three months since the Ubuntu Feisty release and it seems that Debian Lenny (the development version for the next stable Debian release) has pretty much caught up with Feisty and even surpassed it in several areas. OpenOffice is still newer in Feisty but applications like Amarok, Cups, K3b, Kde, Koffice, Pidgin, Samba, Xfce, Xine and Xorg are newer versions in Lenny. :-D
10 • CUPS contradiction (by h3rman on 2007-07-16 12:57:56 GMT from Europe)
"... Apple Inc. had purchased CUPS (Common UNIX Printing System). We are assured that the lead developer, Michael R. Sweet, now in the employ of Apple, will continue to develop, update, and provide code to the community under the existing GPL2/LGPL2 licensing terms. The frequently asked questions page was updated with some further information as well. Perhaps this is the time for a fork."
Isn't this a contradiction? If you're assured he will continue to license new code under GPL, what need, time, or opportunity is there for a fork? (And what, other than oblivion, will relicensing provide him? Xfree86 and Open Sound System are not exactly success stories! :) )
11 • Beachware (by parkash on 2007-07-16 12:58:35 GMT from Germany)
@6 : I certainly hope not :p
@3 : What a funny comment :)
12 • #10 (by srlinuxx on 2007-07-16 13:23:01 GMT from United States)
Yeah, but I guess I was implying that he says that /now/.
13 • Follow-up on Pardus (by Caraibes on 2007-07-16 13:41:50 GMT from Dominican Republic)
After spending the weekend with Pardus, I can say it's a good and promising distro, but it can absolutely not measure against Fedora.
My main issue with Pardus is the lack of internationalization for OOo & Firefox... I always set a Spanish user & a French user in my systems. As far as the KDE apps are concerned, that wasn't a problem, but FF & OOo remained in the original install language.
I will still closely monitor the development of Pardus.
14 • Beachware.cpp (by terlmann on 2007-07-16 13:45:36 GMT from United States)
int bool married ()
int char age ()
int bool beachware (int married , int age)
[
beachware = no
if married = yes break ; //NO
if married = no & age > 25 break ; //UGH
else beachware = yes ;
]
Not my work ;-)
I wanna hear more about Pardus 2007.2 !!
15 • CentOS server CD (by Jason on 2007-07-16 13:46:14 GMT from United States)
I'm not sure what I'm going to use a CentOS Live CD for in an enterprise environment, but what I really could use is a CentOS 5 server CD.
16 • Sabayon Linux (by wolfden on 2007-07-16 13:46:26 GMT from United States)
Just dropping a quick note that Sabayon Linux 3.4 is really slick and the new installer makes it even better yet. Public release is coming up and you don't want to miss out on this one.
Also Sabayon Linux has released their Business Edition and more details can be found at http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8554 take a look at this wonderful addition to Sabayon Linux.
17 • Pardus Linux (by terlmann on 2007-07-16 13:48:36 GMT from United States)
RE : 13
Pardus is fast. wayy fast. And its only getting better.
18 • Sabayon Software Installation (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 14:25:06 GMT from United States)
I tried Sabayon. It looks good and all that, but there are two problems.
(i) Booting is sooooo slow.
(ii) It has Gentoo-style software installation. There are no alternatives? Despite all the press, software installation is complicated, along the lines of Linux in 1996. If there is no better way to install software, I don't see Sabayon going anywhere.
19 • Thanks Susan (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 14:28:28 GMT from Portugal)
Your nice Distrowatch Weekly report is greatly appreciated!
20 • "just works" (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 14:42:15 GMT from United States)
Do people realize how stupid this "just works" phrase sounds? I'd rather have something that "works" or "works well". The Fedora 8 blurb used the "just works" phrase in case you missed it.
21 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 14:54:55 GMT from United States)
@ other anonymous guy
Booting is only as fast as the kernel you configured and the services set to start at boot. If you don't know how to configure your own kernel, then don't complain about one thats configured to work on any hardware.
By Gentoo-style installation i assume you mean compiling from source, if you actually know gentoo, then you should know of the Binhost alternative, where you can install via binary packages. It's far from complicated, its not that difficult to type "emerge mozilla-firefox" or point-and-click a GUI like Portato.
Sabayon has its own binary package management system in the works that should appear before the end of the year. Giving the users the power to choose whether to compile source or install generic, or possibly even optimized binaries.
22 • Susan at the beach! (by Jeff on 2007-07-16 15:01:56 GMT from United States)
http://www.dragonseye.com/gallery/d/3616-5/101_0178.jpg
23 • Reviews and CUPS (by Jesse on 2007-07-16 15:09:25 GMT from Canada)
I really liked the reviews of the liveCDs. It's nice to know what liveCDs out there will work as demos for friends and family.
As for the comment about CUPS and Apple, why would the project be forked? From what I can tell, development is continuing as before. If ther is a change in development which is not beneficial to the community or there is a license change I could see the problem. But I'm curious as to why Ms. Linton thinks now is the time to fork?
24 • Misc Readership and install/live CDs (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 15:12:48 GMT from France)
a)"you've got to understand that the readership here is 99% male. "
How do you know that? Perhaps women look at the Linux world and laugh...
b) Centos and Pardus nice feature:
Both have live CDs which have only ONE function (demo on real hardware).
The install CDs come apart.
This is much smarter than havin a CD with a huge INSTALL me button, à la Fedora: [ one cannot do anything with such CDs if the distr is not that tempting or if one already has >=1 satisfying OSes: If I give such a CD to friends, how long will they remain in friendly terms?}
25 • @6 (by Adam Williamson on 2007-07-16 15:27:38 GMT from Canada)
Would that be so wrong? :)
26 • Qu 13 (by dbrion on 2007-07-16 15:43:39 GMT from France)
Your "main issue with Pardus is the lack of internationalization for OOo & Firefox... "
L'avez vous signalé dans les forums de Pardus?(disons en Espagnol et en Français)
Je suis presque sûr que des Turcs habitant en Allemagne pourraient être heureux d'avoir un correcteur orthographique en Allemand et un autre en Turc (ordre alph.). Peut-être qu'un lien sur un "how-to" suffirait.
Il peut s'agir d'un oubli , mais ça permettrait d'offrir davantage d'amateurs à Pardus....
27 • Sabayon Linux (by Lester Hinton on 2007-07-16 16:04:44 GMT from United States)
I am fairly new to Linux, 6 months or longer have tried a lot of the top 10 distros. I have to say for me Sabayon Linux is my no.1 choice. It the only one that I have got Beryl setup easy and work with my ATI AIW 9700. I have found the Gentoo Portage as easy to use, as any other. But I like PCLinuxOS 2007 Control Center the best of all, to setup your devices. I like all of distros, and the variety. Its more exciting then anything Microsoft is doing. A big thank you to all developers, I appreciate your hard work.
28 • RE #2 FreeNAS (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 16:05:28 GMT from United States)
Tried it but the documentation was lacking. If there was decent deployment and support/user documentation I would have gone live with it. I can see many uses for it. The installer did not tell you what it was up to or if it was hung up or why.
29 • Pardus & other languages (by Caraibes on 2007-07-16 16:09:43 GMT from Dominican Republic)
I did indeed post many times about this issue (lack of internationalization for FF & OOo) in the Pardus World Forums & also in the Pardus-fr forums.
I also contacted the devs thru their IRC channels.
It all boils down to get the guy in charge to put those packages in Pisi.
So far, no one is paying any attention to this issue, but it mught grow larger, as I am sure I am not the one using the Spanish version, nor the French version.
We need a spellcheck in OOo.
As of now I am using Pardus to surf the web, and Fedora for "real work"...
30 • No subject (by anonymous on 2007-07-16 16:17:55 GMT from United States)
Just works is an apposite comment for Fedora. It barely just works: no DVD playing, no Java, no Flash, no codecs, just that pristine computing experience circa 1997 or so.
Yes, I agree that "just works" is a stupid accolade now that I think about it.
31 • Sabayon @18 (by hman on 2007-07-16 16:39:45 GMT from United States)
`I completly agree with #18
32 • 21 (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 16:54:26 GMT from United States)
> If you don't know how to configure your own kernel, then don't complain about one thats configured to work on any hardware.
Excuse me? I can use any other distribution and boot up at least three times faster.
Package installation is not easy. Just try reading the instructions. You're claiming it's easy if you are familiar with Gentoo installation. Obviously if you know what you're doing it's easy. That doesn't fix the fact that there is a significant learning curve. It also doesn't fix the fact that few Linux users will take the time to learn how to use it. In the age of Synaptic and Yum, the Sabayon installation is a nonstarter.
33 • Antix slooooooooooow, get puppy!! (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 17:00:51 GMT from Spain)
Well I've tried out antix last development iso, and it was really really slow.
I've installed lots of these suppose to be lighter distros geared to older hardware, and the only thing they do is put on some gtk light apps or older (dsl), but I don't see any performance gain. Actually debian etch is faster.
The only fast distro for my computer (pentium 3,1Ghz,128 ram) is puppy linux, faster than win98, and not only with the default (and not very pretty) window manager. I can run kde pretty smooth, check out minikde http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=752151207&t=11811, and run current kde apps perfectly fine. And you can always convert slackware packages to pets.
I thing puppy is very underestimated.
34 • Apple Inc. buys Common UNIX Printing System (CUPS) (by Greg on 2007-07-16 17:12:54 GMT from Canada)
In response to: "Another development in the Free and Open Source Software world that gave me a moment of pause was the announcement that Apple Inc. had purchased CUPS (Common UNIX Printing System). We are assured that the lead developer, Michael R. Sweet, now in the employ of Apple, will continue to develop, update, and provide code to the community under the existing GPL2/LGPL2 licensing terms. The frequently asked questions page was updated with some further information as well. Perhaps this is the time for a fork."
Perhaps, just maybe, we will need to wait and see more before suggesting that people fork the project. This is not Microsoft spreading 'Fear Uncertainty and Doubt'. We don't know what this is. Apple could be trying to ensure that CUPS is taken care of; after all, they use it too.
-omit nospam in my email address
35 • Re: 33 "Actually Debian Etch is faster" (by GL on 2007-07-16 17:13:03 GMT from United States)
I agree! I'm in the Bronze Age of Computing with a 500mhz P3/256mb RAM laptop. I enjoyed PCLInuxOS 2007 with KDE, but found it a little slow. I tried the various "distro lites" and found them quick, but xfce lacks the little things that I enjoyed in KDE and "window managers" are useless. I've taken the time to install/learn/tweak Debian Etch with KDE and now have a quick, stable and very powerful system! Not to mention access to 18,000 apps via Synaptic! I solved a couple of problems by tapping into the "unstable" or "experimental" repositories to download newer packages. All in all, great stuff!
36 • Re:30, Fedora (by Caraibes on 2007-07-16 17:13:56 GMT from Dominican Republic)
FYI, Fedora is (one of...) the very best distro out there.
You just have to add the livna repos, and off you go with all those proprietary apps you are craving for !
Fedora has been my best experience in the Linux world so far.
You could read some infos here :
http://fedorasolved.org/
http://howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_fedora7
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f7.html
37 • Re: 32 (by averageJoe on 2007-07-16 17:16:20 GMT from United States)
Think of this: we take time to learn how to ride a bike, how to drive a car, but we don't have time to learn how to use an OS that will take you everywhere in the world(in a sense of information highway), if we agree teenager should take time with driving lesson otherwise it's dangerous to themselves as well as others, somehow I think computer new user is the same. I know I know, automatic is easier than stick shift.
38 • re:9 (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 17:57:22 GMT from United States)
Haha that is funny comic! Especially the end where it's like use launchpad, which is not open source. hehe
One thing I have to say is that Debian I think is not recognized by foss as gnewssense is because Debian asks you if you want to enable nonfree repos during the install. There might be other reasons, but whatever Debian doesn't make the foss cut.
39 • gobuntu/debian (by Spike on 2007-07-16 19:03:09 GMT from United States)
debian doesn't remove firmware from the kernel, among other things, gobuntu will. also, debian is not a fully free version of ubuntu now is it? Stop whining.
40 • RE: 30 and 36 (by KimTjik on 2007-07-16 19:10:37 GMT from Sweden)
It would have been nice to have the same computer experience back in 1997, but I didn't! ;) More seriously, I do understand your point. It probably all depends on what features you view as valuable and expect to be included in the default package. Nevertheless I nowadays tend to see this as positive because:
- it's difficult or even impossible for "the other side" to touch RedHat as long as they maintain these strict policies
- RedHat and Fedora might unbothered continue to deliver innovations which can be used by the whole community
- and Fedora is a good base for developing customized distros with all the features its user base wish to see
Just as Caraibes I'm impressed by how Fedora has been able to deliver something pretty wonderful. I mean the whole Fedora project was under scrutiny for not so many years ago and many doubted its ability to make a contribution. Not all might prefer Fedora 7 as their main desktop system and work-horse, like I do, but I would be surprised if anyone doubted Fedora's importance to the whole Linux sphere.
By the way: Caraibes do you happen to be the same Caraibes sometimes seen at the BLAG forum? I like BLAG and its friendly forum. Not many distros has a main developer who is so active in supporting his/hers users like Jeff.
Now something totally irrelevant: for the first time I haven't made any changes to a default Gnome desktop; I'm talking about Fedora 7. I don't know why, but for me it's so nice for the eyes. Anyone else having this experience?
41 • Fedora 8 Feature List (by Slacker on 2007-07-16 19:15:01 GMT from United States)
I wouldn't believe anything that's on the Fedora 8 feature list, because a lot of it used to be called the Fedora 7 feature list.
42 • 30 (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 19:25:34 GMT from United States)
No kidding, what kind of crazy idiot would think free software could ever provide a good user experience? Obviously proprietary software is superior. Those screwy, impractical freaks that think Fedora is within 10 years of Vista. How dare they. I mean, it's not like there are any other distros that provide proprietary software.
43 • 37 (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 19:29:03 GMT from United States)
My point is that Sabayon appeals in its current state to a very small subset of Linux users. It's just too far from the Linux mainstream, and in the end provides no benefit to most users. Once they have a Synaptic-like software installation procedure, they might take off.
Yes, I could spend time learning it. But why should I? Again, it's fine for some users, I just think most users will walk away.
44 • Just Barely Works? Re:#30 (by Eddie Wilson on 2007-07-16 19:48:11 GMT from United States)
Hey you can think our great USA leadership for those problems. Those problems haunt all distros used in the good old USA.
45 • @41: Fedora 8 feature list (by Rahul Sundaram on 2007-07-16 20:16:42 GMT from India)
There is exactly one feature in Fedora 8 features list which has been moved there from Fedora 7 which is codec buddy. Everything else is new. Fedora has a time based release schedule which means that the release itself is more important than any particular feature and features get rescheduled if necessary. The feature list does have a clear disclaimer on this.
If you want to understand the process better see the feature policy at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy
46 • Fedora & Blag (by Caraibes on 2007-07-16 20:35:44 GMT from Dominican Republic)
Yes, Kim,
I am the same Caraibes from Blag. I really enjoyed the spirit at Blag. Very friendly and interesting. I just moved on to Fedora itself, as I got comfortable doing so, but I still browse the Blag forums, and highly regard the Blag community.
I have been participating in various Linux forums... It helps me learn a lot !
47 • RE: 42 Vista is developed the other way around (by KimTjik on 2007-07-16 21:01:24 GMT from Sweden)
If I understand you correct the user experience you refer to has mainly to do with the following:
- multimedia support for restricted formats and proprietary drivers for as an example graphic-cards, sound-cards etc
Concerning restricted formats we can take mp3 as an example. Didn't a federal jury in San Diego order Microsoft to pay something like $ 1.5 billion to Alcatel-Lucent for illegal use of the mp3 format? We can think whatever we like about the basis for such a lawsuit, but the bigger Linux players act wise in distancing themselves from such formats. Hopefully the whole industry will choose open formats of better quality for compression, like Ogg Vorbis. RedHat (Fedora) can't afford the risk of getting into unnecessary troubles like this. Restricted formats for DVD is an area which haunts not just Linux; in this case I would even hope that Microsoft got pissed enough to clean up the mess created by the entertainment industry (Microsoft are strong enough, but sadly the situation still plays into their hands).
I've never got any propriety drivers included with Microsoft software. Have you? Hardware manufacturers though do directly as the original producer or with licenses to redistribute them. So how come that RedHat (Fedora), or any other big Linux player, would do that without any legal rights? Livna repository includes binaries, and AMD/ATI or Nvidia for example don't seem to bother. That way we're all on safe territory.
Then I really doubt that proprietary drivers always are the best, because that would indicate that the manufacturer always have the best brains of the world employed. They don't, but since many are reluctant to publish open data-sheets, the proprietary drivers are what we have to be content with. Hence I can understand the strive - even though I'm not that strict - to exclusively use open source alternatives. The ideal situation would be if all hardware were released with open data-sheets.
So what about Vista? You can't even compare them based on such a criteria. Fedora is a totally different creature with features you won't find in Vista. Nevertheless if we anyway focus on the features of importance for you, remember then that this is ruffly how Vista's hardware support become developed (a lot of the technical documentation is available):
- Microsoft publish huge documents with demands of how hardware should function to support Vista
- Hardware developers scratch their heads and wonder how they possibly could achieve that, so they ask: "how do we do that?"
- Microsoft answers: "we don't know so that's up to you to figure out; but remember that we controls 95 % of the desktop market so you better get moving or you'll find yourself out of business"
Imagine if RedHat would be able to get stuff fixed that way? Now they don't, but my impression is that more and more manufacturers get interested in at least passively support Linux.
I'm probably wrong about a lot of things, but that's at least how I understand the current situation.
48 • CUPS (by john frey on 2007-07-16 22:18:01 GMT from Canada)
I think CUPS is long overdue for a fork. For all the naysayers Apple is a proprietary software company, now owning the rights to the CUPS name, logos, whatever. While they might try to improve the code they are free at any time to demand licencing fees for the name or worse, introduce a proprietary layer to improved functionality. A fork is exactly what's needed to include this software in Free Software distros. Think Mozilla and Seamonkey.
Secondly, and why CUPS is overdue for a fork, is the buggy unreliable nature of the software. People have been complaining for years and it gets a little better but it's never as good as it should be. I sure wish someone would come along and kickstart the development of CUPS like Xorg did to the XFree86 code.
49 • 47 (by Anonymous on 2007-07-16 22:48:23 GMT from United States)
I think you're right about most of what you said. There are also other reasons as well.
Suppose there is a security vulnerability in a piece of proprietary software. When that software is installed by default, the reputation of the distro is on the line, even though they don't have any control over the software. And then how do they fix the problem? Do they remove everyone's drivers if the manufacturer doesn't release a patch?
It also makes it more difficult to control the release times of your distro, as you are waiting for someone else to finish their job, and there's no way to modify the software if it doesn't work. And what if nVidia decided tomorrow to stop allowing redistribution of their drivers, after getting paid by Microsoft? Wouldn't it be better to have a free driver ready and fully developed?
What it comes down to is that a distro needs control of what goes into their software. That's important.
It's all a matter of these proprietary software nuts jamming their religion down our throats. Sorry guys, I don't buy into that philosophy. Leave me alone please. You're so 1994.
50 • antix and other light distros (by Bob Hunter on 2007-07-17 00:27:40 GMT from United States)
I have a 400MHz system that I use for testing light distros. Right now it is running Debian Etch Xfce, Antix, Sam and BeaFanatix.
Of these, BeaFanatiX is the fastest with Debian Etch Xfce a close second. Antix is slow and Sam is REALLY slow.
51 • Puppy (by JAG on 2007-07-17 00:42:01 GMT from United States)
Puppy 2.17beta available !!!
52 • Puppy (by JAG on 2007-07-17 00:42:53 GMT from United States)
http://www.puppylinux.com/news/index.php
53 • antix slow (by srlinuxx on 2007-07-17 03:07:36 GMT from United States)
The comments of antix being slow is disappointing. I tested antics on a p3 667 and it wasn't significantly slower than on my modern 2.4 GHz machines. I wanted to test it on this old pentium 166, but no floppy boot image and that smart boot loader deal wouldn't work either.
As with all distros, there are so many variables in each person's experience.
54 • Hardware (by Anonymous on 2007-07-17 05:45:01 GMT from Denmark)
This could be very usefull for all of us - to all of us !
http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/89941/index.html
The story of:
http://hardware4linux.info/
This is really what comunity is all about ! And we can all participate !
Some of the hardware problems for some of us can be solved - if just someone out there knows.
After all Distrowatch knows of 359 active distributins - and too many users to count.
Let us all go - use it.
55 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2007-07-17 06:48:37 GMT from United States)
"...We are assured that the lead developer, Michael R. Sweet, now in the employ of Apple, will continue to develop, update, and provide code to the community under the existing GPL2/LGPL2 licensing terms. The frequently asked questions page was updated with some further information as well. Perhaps this is the time for a fork."
Let's give Apple the benefit of the doubt, we might actually get decent print capabilities out of the deal. Don't fork until necessary.
56 • JUXLALA a Linux for pre-school children (by JJ on 2007-07-17 08:05:30 GMT from Germany)
Heard about JUXLALA ?
A Knoppix derivative that targets to pre-school children (3 till 7)
Hardware requirements are very low, ideal for an old PC in children room
http://www.jux-net.info/juxlala/index.html
Include the great package Gcompris and a real desktop for children
Its free, but the applications should be in German (Austrian project)
JJ
57 • OBSERVATION: Distro Downloads from Bigpond (by Anonymous on 2007-07-17 10:47:59 GMT from Australia)
[Bigpond is Australia's largets ISP (20-35%?) and provides a free
(metered - non-chargeable) download server to its Cable and ADSL subscribers.]
Date.....................File..............................Size................ Downloads
june 07.........ubuntustudio-7.04-alternate-i386.........909,676,544 bytes........99
17-05-07.......edubuntu-7.04-server-i386..........726,327,296 bytes...............25
04-5-07.........Edubuntu v7.04 Desktop i386 ...............728,821,760............43
23-4-07........Edubuntu v7.04 i386 DVD ............4,653,002,752.................126
Edubuntu st = 194 [14-7-07]
23-4-07.........Xubuntu v7.04 Alternate AMD64 ......672,507,904...................18
23-4-07.........Xubuntu v7.04 Alternate i386 ........719,298,560.................101
23-4-07.........Xubuntu v7.04 Desktop i386 ..........592,488,448.................185
23-4-07.........Xubuntu v7.04 Desktop AMD64 .........596,207,616..................18
xubu st =322 [14-7-07]
14-06-07........kubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386...........728,449,024.................35
21-4-07.........Kubuntu v7.04 Alternate AMD64 ........730,697,728.................19
23-4-07.........Kubuntu v7.04 for AMD64 DVD ...........4,686,751,744..............76
21-4-07.........Kubuntu v7.04 Desktop AMD64 ...........732,901,376................36
22-4-07.........Kubuntu v7.04 i386 DVD ...............4,617,809,920..............378
20-4-07.........Kubuntu v7.04 Desktop i386 ............727,867,392................320
kubuntu st = 864 [14-7-07]
19-4-07.........Ubuntu v7.04 Server AMD64 ..............503,633,920................25
19-4-07.........Ubuntu v7.04 Server i386 ...............516,335,616...............184
19-4-07.........Ubuntu v7.04 Alternate AMD64 ...........732,018,688................56
19-4-07.........Ubuntu v7.04 Alternate i386 ............730,056,704...............206
23-4-07.........Ubuntu v7.04 AMD64 DVD .................4,255,887,360.............134
19-4-07.........Ubuntu v7.04 Desktop AMD64 .............733,171,712...............127
19-4-07.........Ubuntu v7.04 Desktop i386 ...............731,797,504..............852
20-4-07.........Ubuntu v7.04 i386 DVD ...................4,263,823,360............673
ubuntu st= 2257 [14-7-07]
No1 Ubuntu - total for all Ubu variants = 3736 [14-7-07]
openSuse 10.2 is No2 with approx 1500 Downloads (17/6/07)
(bear in mind though it has been out for 6 mths +)
Fedora 7 is No3 with approx 1009 Downloads (17/6/07)
Debian is No4 with 519 downloads (17/6/07)
Mandriva is No5 with 453 (17/6/07)
Others:
Knoppix (last version (5.1.1) expired with 500 +)
Centos5 - 432 (17/6/07)
Gentoo 300 + (17/6/07)
Open BSD 210 (17/6/07)
Open Solaris = 194 (17/6/07)
Slackware 12.0^ 150 (17/6/07 - 10 days old only and verison 11.0 = 443 on 20-6-07)
[...]
Others from DW's "Top Ten Distros"
PCLinuxOS 2007 = 147 (17/6/07) - 200% increase on last version's 50 downloads.
MEpis 6.5 - 80+ (expired on 04 Jul 07)
58 • Re 57 - (17/6/07) should read (17/7/07) (by Anonymous on 2007-07-17 10:52:32 GMT from Australia)
sorry about that.
59 • linuxpowertop.org (by Anonymous on 2007-07-17 11:49:45 GMT from Australia)
About PowerTOP
PowerTOP is a Linux tool that finds the software component(s) that make your laptop use more power than necessary while it is idle. As of Linux kernel version 2.6.21, the kernel no longer has a fixed 1000Hz timer tick. This will (in theory) give a huge power savings because the CPU stays in low power mode for longer periods of time during system idle.
However... there are many things that can ruin the party, both inside the kernel and in userspace. PowerTOP combines various sources of information from the kernel into one convenient screen so that you can see how well your system is doing, and which components are the biggest problem.
Requirements
For PowerTOP to work best, use a Linux kernel with the tickless idle (NO_HZ) feature enabled (version 2.6.21 or later). Currently, only 32-bit kernels have support for tickless idle; 64-bit kernels are expected to gain this feature in version 2.6.23.
PowerTOP works best on a laptop computer, or at least a computer with an Intel mobile processor (certain small non-laptop devices also contain a mobile processor). When using PowerTOP on a laptop, do so when running on battery.
[...]
http://www.linuxpowertop.org/powertop.php
60 • Re 59...From the same site- Tips & Tricks (by Anonymous on 2007-07-17 12:00:58 GMT from Australia)
Use a recent distribution
Linux is a fast moving project, with very fast evolving components. If you're using an older distribution, older than 4 to 6 months (and anything with "Enterprise" in the name is by definition old), please consider going to a newer distribution. Reporting issues on older distributions is going to be frustrating to a lot of people, since the issue is likely to have been fixed more than 6 months ago... Please be considerate of the developers of projects and use a recent codebase and avoid bugging them about issues they solved long ago.
Known issues, tips and tricks
[...]
I wonder what the people who say that our distro "will be out when its out" think of the above advice?
http://www.linuxpowertop.org/known.php
61 • RE 59, 60 Thanks for the links (by dbrion on 2007-07-17 12:15:43 GMT from France)
FYI powertop has an interesting paper in gnulinuxmagazine/France in jul./aug. 2007, p32 (www.gnulinuxmag.com, cellulotic only); this is a very technical (and oriented towards exotic CPs, sometimes) newspaper one can find in every railway station...
Have a nice winter....
62 • antiX (by macondo on 2007-07-17 13:16:34 GMT from Panama)
antiX is fast on my PII 266 with 128 MB RAM, got rid of fluxbox, left icewm, purged thing i don't use, and left it lean and mean. I was disappointed no mention of 'anticapitalista' the main force behind antiX was made :(
63 • RE 57-58 Thanks for your observations of BigPound downloads.... (by dbrion on 2007-07-17 16:46:31 GMT from France)
Except for UBUlinux, I think that Debian an gentoo might be underrepresented, as they may automagically upgrade themselves (thus making full downloads less useful)....
I noticed that your UBUlinux data could very likely be decoded automatically.
As the weather is hot, artisanal reading and mental calculation could lead to errors => your download numbers can be read with a statistical software such as R (htpp://www.r-project.org)
, the number of downloads per day can then be computed, and one can then try other treatments.
For the UBU family, there is a great difference between 32 and 64 bits, the 64 bits having a low number of downloads... (the script below is very naive, even if the wild Internet doesnot eat characters, but I hope it can work with other series)
demain = function(annee,mois, jour) {
nbj = rep(31,12)
nbj [2] = 28 ; nbj[4]= 30; nbj[6]= 30; nbj[9]= 30; nbj[11]= 30;
nbjr = nbj[mois]
if (((annee %% 4) == 0) && (mois == 2)) nbjr = 29
jj = jour + 1
if (jj > nbjr) {
jj = 1
mois = mois + 1
if (mois > 12) { mois = 1; annee = annee + 1}
}
return(list(jour=jj, mois=mois, annee=annee))
}
# tests
# str(demain(2002,04,21))
# str(demain(2002,02,28))
# str(demain(2002,12,31))
# str(demain(2004,02,29))
#
# Bigpund foundation 2000 01 01 ?
debut.jour=01
debut.mois=01
debut.year=2000
START = list(jour=debut.jour, mois= debut.mois, annee = debut.year)
# DW date = 2007 07 14
DW.jour=14
DW.mois=07
DW.year= 2007
compteur = 0
while ((START$jour != DW.jour) || (START$mois != DW.mois) ||
(START$annee != DW.year)) {
START = demain(START$annee, START$mois, START$jour)
compteur = compteur + 1
#str(START)
}
str(compteur)
##############################
###
fichier = "../dwww160707.txt" # may be an url, too...
######
lu= gsub('^[ ]*','', tolower(readLines(fichier)))
lu = lu[ grep('ubu', lu, ignore.case = T)]
lu = gsub('..+','@',lu)
lu = gsub('-i386', ' i386', gsub('[ ]*$','',gsub(
' for amd','amd',gsub('@ubu','@gnome@ubu',lu[ grep('@',lu)]))))
lu = gsub('xubu', 'x@ubu', gsub('edubu', 'edu@ubu',gsub('kubu', 'k@ubu', lu)))
index = ( 1 : length(lu)) %in% grep('dvd',lu)
lu = paste(lu, ifelse(index, '@ãVD','@CD'), sep='')
index = ( 1 : length(lu)) %in% grep('i386',lu)
lu = paste(lu, ifelse(index, '@32','@64'), sep='')
lu = gsub('dvd[ ]*','',gsub('[ ]*amd64[ ]*','', gsub('[ ]*i386[ ]*','',lu)))
lu=gsub('june','15_06', lu)
writeLines(gsub('_*bytes','',gsub(',','',
gsub(' ','_',gsub('-', '_', lu)))), 'gidouille.UBU')
tab=read.table('gidouille.UBU', header=F, sep='@',
col.names=c('DT','Desk', 'Name', 'Size','Ndown', 'CD', 'Nbits'))
tab
DT=tab$DT
tab$nbjr=NA
for (jarry in (1: nrow(tab))) {
aux = strsplit(as.character (tab$DT[jarry]), '_') [[1]]
START = list(jour= as.integer(aux[1]),
mois= as.integer(aux[2]), annee= 2000 + as.integer(aux[3]))
compteur = 0
while ((START$jour != DW.jour) || (START$mois != DW.mois) ||
(START$annee != DW.year)) {
START = demain(START$annee, START$mois, START$jour)
compteur = compteur + 1
}
tab$nbjr[jarry] = compteur
}
tab$rates=tab$Ndown/tab$nbjr
# here, tab can be sorted, or more sophisticated treatments applied
# ex
print (tab[order(tab$rates),3:9])
# difference betw. 64 and 32 bits UBUlinuxen downloads
print(summary(tab$rates[tab$Nbits==32]))
summary(tab$rates[tab$Nbits == 64])
64 • re: 56 JUXLALA (by Anonymous on 2007-07-17 17:39:35 GMT from United States)
Looks interesting. Also check out EDUnix. It's on the waiting list and has similar features. However, I don't think you need a special desktop for kids. My 5 yr. old figured out KDE and Gnome on his own.
65 • suggestion for donation (by Anonymous on 2007-07-17 17:52:53 GMT from Germany)
I would like to suggest FreeNAS for the next dw-donation. Time to donate to a BSD-based OS? The developers just released 0.685b1 as bugfix update to 0.685b
List of changes: http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=151951&release_id=523100
66 • RE #50 light distros (by Anonymous on 2007-07-17 22:29:25 GMT from United States)
I noticed that SAM was slow here too on about the same system even with 192mb of memory. gnewsense didn't always work with my hardware (black scrren) even between versions. Antix was going to be the next to try.
67 • Powertop (by Geoff on 2007-07-18 11:37:55 GMT from United States)
Will Powertop make my laptop run cooler? I seldom use it on battery, so the power saving benefit is not what I'm looking for. This machine typically overheats when running Vectorlinux (hard disk: 155 F, CPU core: 179 F).
68 • TiddlyWiki on Dsl (by Fractalguy on 2007-07-18 12:05:21 GMT from United States)
I'm playing with DSL-4.0_alpha and find it pretty nice.. Very snappy booted with toram option and the JWM has a familar look for those coming from Windows. I can switch between JWM and Fluxbox without exiting my session although all program are terminated (but no user data is lost). DSL brought up my 1280x1024 screen - unlike some other liveCDs I've looked at lately (Zenwalk 4.6 gave me only 1024x768). If dsl can do it, any should be able!
I'm listening to a CD. And while that should not be a big deal, Berry-0.82 failed to give me audio.
The Internet is connected just fine (unlike with Pardus-Calisan-2007.2). In fact, I'm posting this from DSL! This alpha release seems better than some other final releases.
Also took a look at Helix V1.9-07-13-2007 and note that this forensic distro even has xmms.
I've started using TiddlyWiki to keep track of my liveCD explorations. It is stored on a thumb drive where I can get to it while reviewing a distro. If I can't get to my thumb files, that gets a big note when I get back to my home system. :)
69 • RE 67 Will Powertop make my laptop run cooler" (by dbrion on 2007-07-18 14:08:42 GMT from France)
I hope this is not an ironical question. Any way, the answer is
NO
for many reasons (correct me if I am wrong):
a) Power Top is a dignostic tool, and can give hints to fix a configuration; in GNUlinuxmagazinefrance, jul/aug 07(abr GLMF), pp32-34, it is also used to compare different softs, for the same task (say,reading a DVD) and chosing the less consuming. Powertop gives the more accurate diagnostics when running on battery...
As Vector seems a 'one app per task' distr, your choice is very limited....
b) Powertop needs a >= 2.6.21 kernel, and a >= 2.5.5 glibc as was hinted in post 57. Has Vector any of these things? (75% of glmf paper is about installation/upgrades )..
BTW there are other causes of indue heating;
* bad fans (on a big desktop , with screws one can see, it is easily fixed),
* bad weather (going to Patagonia in summer or air conditioning can fix it), and (I fear it is not an exhaustive list)
* bad DSDT tables (with reading GLMF, mar 2006, pp31, my laptop was transformed from a hot roaring monster into a quiet computing laptop : explaination can be found at http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/index.php and lists of laptops with nonstandard ACPI tables can be found, with corrections. I know Mandriva and Suze work much on these issues, but it is very expensive to test the fixes they do with many types of laptops)...
70 • Powertop (by Geoff on 2007-07-18 14:21:45 GMT from United States)
Thank you for that informative post, dbrion. I admit that I should have studied that Powertop page more carefully; I thought it was a tweaking tool as well as diagnostic. *red face* :)
Anyway, I think I can do a few things to cool this notebook computer down a bit, one is to get a cooling pad with fans to set the machine on.
71 • No subject (by Geoff on 2007-07-18 14:24:13 GMT from United States)
"PowerTOP is a Linux tool that finds the software component(s) that make your laptop use more power than necessary while it is idle."
The very first sentence on the Powertop page.
72 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2007-07-18 14:26:51 GMT from France)
<<
DSL brought up my 1280x1024 screen - unlike some other liveCDs I've looked at lately (Zenwalk 4.6 gave me only 1024x768). If dsl can do it, any should be able!
>>
Well, DSL is based on Knoppix, acclaimed for superior hardware recognition.
73 • Knoppix (by alter ekko on 2007-07-18 22:11:47 GMT from Norway)
Re 72
Knoppix used to be an outstanding distro.
But it seems to me that it no longer tries to use the more advanced features
of modern computers. I have never got a 1280x1024 LCD monitor to work
with more than 1024x768 on the four pc-s the monitor have been connected to.
On laptops it is even more retarded. A 2005 laptop with 1280x768 screen
always booted with 1024X768. Then desktop programs (pictures etc)
got stretched rather unusably.
Mandrivabased distros got it right already Autumn 2005.
A new 2007 laptop w. Intel graphics 1280x800 gets the same
Knoppix screen treatment. Knoppix doesn't see my Intel Wlan
either.
Tiny distros like recent versions of Puppy linux and MCNLive
do everything right: X screen, lan, wlan, sound, video.
(So do Mandriva linux, PClinuxOS, Ubuntu and some more.)
Earlier Knoppix versions could sometimes be used with a
Philips USB Wlan netcard (on desktop computers) that needed
Ndiswrapper software. But then a new version came (I don't
remember when) that did not work and it has been that way
since then.
But perhaps the Knoppix developers have relabeled Knopp as
more of a rescue boot cd than one for general use? And as such
a tool it is ok. (It just used to be better...)
74 • RE: #18 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2007-07-19 01:28:10 GMT from Italy)
I agree with you. I like Sabayon because of "sentimental" reasons, but I end up by not using it. If it were based on Debian that would be a different story.
75 • why Is NetSecL2.1 full of malwares? (by Anonymous on 2007-07-19 02:06:54 GMT from Germany)
Am an aspiring linux user but this NetSecL2.1 downloaded from ftp://bo.mirror.garr.it 2 days ago were full of malwares specific to linux as described in virus encyclopedia.Why?
Tried to run it/or to install it under vmplayer,but fails,only to find out has malwares (97detected).
Its name suggests secure linux w/c prompts me to try but......
Thanks
76 • re 73, screen support on some liveCDs (by Fractalguy on 2007-07-19 02:36:16 GMT from United States)
I've had issues with a number of distros that do not provide drivers on their CD. I'm always looking for liveCDs that support older hardware. Mine of course will be my first samples, I have a 5 year old nVidia GeForce 4 MX 440-SE with a nearly new thin panel monitor, 1280x1024.
I just checked from my set of CDs some you mentioned. Here are my results. Mandravia based all only go to 1024x768: Mandrivia 2007 spring one (2007-04-11), PCLos 2007, and MCNLive-Leuven all give me only 1024x768. PCLos can give better but only with a hand holding session on the live chat forum since it involves installing drivers live and re-logging in. Not a simple operation for me to hand off to someone. I've only done it once and that was enough. I'll do it for a HD install but not for a day or two liveCD session.
Puppy-2.16-seamonkey-fulldrivers has a very confusing path to follow to get the graphics up and get onto the Internet. Older Puppies I have tried were doable. I did get them up, but since the new monitor - no. I get to a test that looks like it will work (works in the test) and click OK - then it goes to black and halts. I accepted lower resolution and tried to get on the net only to get lost in that maze. Sorry, I didn't set up the modem and router so I don't know the answers to the questions presented. The modem and router are never turned off, always there. And when most distros I try just go on the net without fuss, I say why?
I'm posting this from KNOPPIX 5.1.1 CD and had no trouble getting 1280x1024. Never had trouble with my old monitor either. Elive never gave me 1280x1024, even with help from their live chat. The best I got to work was 1154x864.
The best luck I have is with debian based distros: Ubuntu, Knoppix, Sidux, Mint, DSL, etc. It is really a choice the distro makes, the drivers, and I can see when they are going after the latest board support, I might get left out. (About half of the PCLos releases did support my video, those that included my nVidia drivers.)
There is something about the debians that work for me, and I don't think it is they all have the hottest nVidia drivers. There must be a "Free" driver they call on for my card and it does the job: higher resolutions while skipping the tumbling cubes 3D stuff.
I'm going to go through my CD stack and see what correlates if anything.
77 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2007-07-19 03:47:57 GMT from United States)
>> There is something about the debians that work for me, and I don't think it is they all have the hottest nVidia drivers. There must be a "Free" driver they call on for my card and it does the job: higher resolutions while skipping the tumbling cubes 3D stuff.
They use the nv driver. If you don't need 3D, in my experience, nv is better than the proprietary driver - there's no hassle. If you want a free driver for 3D go with Intel or maybe the ATI 8500-9250 (I've never used ATI in my life). I hate that 3D eye candy stuff, so I use the nv driver with nvidia in all my computers, along with Debian or Ubuntu, and I'm very happy.
You're also right about Debian derivatives, sort of. Debian, Ubuntu, and several others support old hardware. I have found that Mepis chokes on old nvidia cards, as does PCLinuxOS and Mandriva. They seem to be targeting newer hardware (as you said) and thus do not properly support the old stuff.
{Off topic: I noticed that the Debian Etch installer requires only 32 MB of RAM. Compare that to the other popular, full featured distros out there.}
78 • Another good read (and topic for discussion) (by Anonymous on 2007-07-19 06:51:01 GMT from Australia)
Where is the Linux kernel going?
Jun. 20, 2007
MOUNTAIN VIEW, CALIF. -- Last week, at the Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit held at the Googleplex, some of Linux's top kernel developers discussed the state of the Linux kernel today, and where it might be going.
Among the kernel developers present were Andrew Morton, James Bottomley, Chris Wright, Ted T'so, and Greg Kroah-Hartman. About the only top Linux kernel developer who wasn't present was Linus Torvalds, the originator of the kernel.
In a panel discussion chaired by Jon Corbett, a Linux developer himself and editor of LWN.net, the group took on many contentious issues.
[......]
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8296942554.html
79 • Re 78 --- another excerpt (by Anonymous on 2007-07-19 07:05:38 GMT from Australia)
Still, "We need to work on regressions more," Morton allowed, conceding that "2.6.21 was perhaps a bit more buggy that it should be."
Much of the work on the soon-to-arrive 2.6.22 kernel is being devoted to stabilizing these new features. Bottomley observed that the Linux kernel developers must deal with the "tension between new features and stabilizing those features." He urged users to remember that, "If you're running Fedora Core 7, then you're helping us to stabilize and test the kernel."
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8296942554.html
NB: Fedora 8 is again at the forefront of kernel testing by using 2.6.23 version when all the rest of the majors are using 2.6.22. FOR THIS, THEY DESERVE, AND SHOULD BE SHOWN, MORE RESPECT AMONGST THE LINUX COMMUNITY, IMHO.
80 • re 76, screen support on some liveCDs (by Alter Ekko on 2007-07-19 15:05:41 GMT from Norway)
Thanks to Fractalguy for sharing your experiences.
What I have learned from several years of using linux - more
like spices (or a hobby) in my mainly Windows diet, I must
confess, is this:
It is NEVER possible to predict how well or bad a distro will
work on a computer without actually trying it. I have a thick
loose leaf book filled with yellow sticker notes from
using 100-150 distros on five different computers that have been
my "main" machines throught the last years.
( I cannot throw away anything so I keep them around. And
there even more in the cellar. Somethimes it is interesting to
get a P166 om the internet; that's easy both with Windows XP
or, say, DSL. Or even an "antique" 386/20MHz, a 486,
P100 and so on.)
It is very rare that ONE single distro have been working on all
of the more recent computers. Often on one computer everything
"just works" while the same distro refuses to even boot on another
computer.
(So when someone in this forum or elsewhere says that a favorite
distro can do eveything I always know that they have not tried
linux much.)
Therefore: I am not surprised that you have been lucky
with KNOPPIX 5.1.1 CD and 1280x1024 and I have not.
And likewise that MCNLive and Puppy linux get the screen right
here and not in your case.
(I'm using the latest MCNLive, Delft and Toronto. Perfect on my
HP Pavillion 2000, but not booting on an older computer...)
Puppy 2.16 suggests the correct X her without any tweaking...
The linux world is interesting but often somewhat
puzzling...
81 • re: 79 (by Anonymous on 2007-07-19 16:44:30 GMT from United States)
Fedora 8 is in alpha, it's not into testing, and I don't know why Fedora should be applauded for jumping to the next kernel before the previous version has been thoroughly debugged.
I like this quote that you took from the article: "If you're running Fedora Core 7, then you're helping us to stabilize and test the kernel."
It's so terrible isn't it!? It's like saying Fedora users are beta testers, and on top of that the author of that article reinforces our perception of his ignorance by not dropping "Core" from the title, as it is no longer part of the name.
The testing and stabilizing is part of the beta and RC testing before the release, I don't perceive users of Fedora stable as beta testers of the kernel or anything. It kind of ties in with the misconception that Fedora is just beta testing for Red Hat.
82 • re:81, about Fedora (by Caraibes on 2007-07-19 18:43:19 GMT from Dominican Republic)
I would not have wrote that people need to applaud us !!!
Hiwever, I just want to say, as a Fedora user, that as much as you think we are all a bunch of beta-testers, Fedora has been the best experience for me in the Linux world, and I had various opportunities to use other (good) distros also...
For me, Fedora is simply the very best for my desktop, but i fully understand that various distros fits various hardwares, so this is just my own personal experience. I never ran into a bug... I had some issues with K3b in FC3, FC5 & FC6 for blanking CD-RW's, but it's fixed in F7...
Fedora is "el numero uno", but I also highly regards Debian, *buntu, Mandriva/PCLOS...
(couldn't deal with Pardus after all... not ready for prime time...)
83 • fedora (by Anonymous on 2007-07-19 18:53:39 GMT from United States)
Well, fedora sure isn't ready for prime time on my two machines. I can't get 7 to see my broadcom wireless card on my Acer laptop or my ethernet card on my Gateway pc.
Not to complain, I do try a lot of distros. "Out of the box," to me, is a good label for Vectorlinux SOHO 5.8.
But I've noticed not for everybody.
I do think Fedora is RedHat's little beta boy out there in the distro world, no matter what they say.
84 • elive is free (by sartrer on 2007-07-19 20:02:49 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hi all. As most of you, I am surprised with this turn in Elive's life and the bad way its creator is telling us... you have to pay now. He has all the right to sell, but he must be more honest with the community.
I wonder (and ask!) what the developers of Elive are thinking... I guess all of them gave so much of their knowledge and time to make Elive what it is now. Do they have to pay the bills too?...
At the moment I am not upset but dissapointed. Lack of transparency is not good...
http://edevelop.org/node/3584?from=0&comments_per_page=30
85 • elive (by Jeff on 2007-07-19 21:37:09 GMT from United States)
There are many distros, sartrer . :)
86 • @77 (by Adam Williamson on 2007-07-20 00:16:12 GMT from Canada)
Mandriva's logic for NVIDIA cards is as follows:
Riva TNT and earlier are automatically set up with nv.
TNT2 through GeForce 2 (except 2MX) give the user a choice between nvidia71xx and nv, where a repository containing nvidia71xx is available. Otherwise, nv is used.
GeForce 3 through GeForce 4 (plus 2MX) give the user a choice between nvidia96xx and nv, where a repository containing nvidia96xx is available. Otherwise, nv is used.
GeForce FX through 8800 give the user a choice between nvidia97xx and nv, where a repository containing nvidia97xx is available. Otherwise, nv is used.
So in all cases you get either nv or a choice between nv and the appropriate proprietary driver for the card in question. I can't see how this could be improved...
87 • Is Linux a real desktop OS? (by Anonymous on 2007-07-20 03:24:32 GMT from Australia)
After distrohopping for a number of years, I've been thinking about the difference between Linux and Windows/Mac. It seems to me that Linux is more of an "OS tool" with which one can use open source software - rather than being a dedicated desktop OS for the masses. In fact, if one were to be unkind, one could go so far as describe Linux as a glorified GUI frontend for open source apps.
OSNews has a similar discussion about the nature of Linux:
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=18293&limit=no&threshold=-1
Comments in this article note that the OS is released in short cycles and is tied to open source applications. So in order to upgrade an app it is recommended to upgrade the entire OS. This makes it unsuitable as an enterprise-class OS.
In contrast, Windows or Mac OS releases last longer (i.e., are upgraded less often), are more robust (more work goes into them), and they are upgraded separately from their respective applications.
Perhaps this difference is why Linux is not catching on as a desktop OS.
88 • re 80 • re 76, screen support on some liveCDs (by Alter Ekko) (by Fractalguy on 2007-07-20 03:45:08 GMT from United States)
You may have seen the stupid Alexander Wolfe article (don't click on it again, it is a troll): Too Many Linux Distros Makes For Open-Source Mess referenced and debunked in Are There Really Too Many Linux Distros?
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/07/are_there_reall.html
It is like whack-a-mole, everybody from slash-dot to lxer to zdnet is responding.
Looks like we need many distros to cover the desktop needs since including all drivers in the kernel can result in conflicts. I commented on this on my web page and here.
Consider, when each OEM issue of Windows has special drivers and stuff included - like the restore CD for an e-machine I once had - one could say each of these is a new "Windows distro". Same diff here with Linux only here we have more flexability since the distro is not really totally machine dependent. So demo-ing Linux to a WinNoob will certainly require a stack of maybe 6 CDs, sort of like selling paint colors using chip samples.
Here is what I'd like to see: a live CD that on booting shows the hardware, network, printers etc AND recommends distros supporting that set "right out of the box". It might be KNOPPIX based for a start. And if a distro wants to be included they can do some of the leg work on this. What would it take? a small data base matrix linking hardware and drivers through to the distros. Such a project would be like-unto distrowatch in complexity. :)
89 • No subject (by Hardware on 2007-07-20 05:51:38 GMT from Denmark)
Or take it a step further. The missing drivers could be uplloaded or updated more or less automatic in the same way as we do with our software today. The LSB printer project is alredy headed in that direction:
http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/News
Hardware in general as mentioned in #54
90 • @87 (by Adam Williamson on 2007-07-20 07:52:01 GMT from Canada)
Wow. That's wrong in so many ways I just don't even know where to start.
91 • RE 84 "I wonder (and ask!) what the developers of Elive are thinking." (by dbrion on 2007-07-20 09:32:36 GMT from France)
s/developers are/developer is/
In fact, it is very likely. As one cannot be full time intelligent, one could be sometimes indulgent with little distrs... Except for writing Arabic the yaw gnorw in the starting menu (as does/did edUBU, at least in nov 2006) I did not see many flaws with a previous version I VMplayed (used for compiling... most of the headers were present for R and Grass).
AFAIK, one cannot freely download (correct me if I am wrong) every kind of PC and graphical stuff. The idea of selling (at the price one wants) a distr which might be interesting for flashy-trendy graphical effects is not that bad, IMO..
92 • @87 and 90 (by davecs on 2007-07-20 12:50:41 GMT from United Kingdom)
Another useful aspect to open source coding is that when a new package is released, or a package is upgraded, that other packages can be tweaked to maximise compatibility. Try that with closed source code coming from a number of different companies.
DLL hell, anyone?
93 • RE 92 "useful aspect to open source coding" (by dbrion on 2007-07-20 14:20:10 GMT from France)
This would be useful if:
* there were no regressions (see @78 link: kernel developper agree this sometimes happens....)
* the new package were useful, or the upgrade were pertinent.
" DLL hell, anyone?" One can happily live with many versions of a given DLL (say cygwin's ones, to speak of closed source....)
BTW Are there Linuxen which can cope with different existing versions
(say, of gcc?) . I know users can do it (this began in the 90s, with systyrans not upgrading the applications at all ... and led to GoboLinux in a rigorous way... ) But are there other linuxen ? (ex : Octave seems to be easily compiled with gcc-3.4.6 and g77, but not with gcc4.2 and g77 => an ordinary user should have 2 or 3 gccs + fortran compilers to have octave and R working and to port them to un-upgraded (Linux or Windows) platforms? Do PCLOSS or UBUlinux, say, provide a comfortable mechanism for this?)
94 • Re: 87 "Windows is upgraded less often" (by GL on 2007-07-20 14:21:11 GMT from United States)
...if you don't consider service packs and security fixes "upgrades." If you do, Windows is "upgraded" on a weekly basis!
95 • 94 (by Geoff on 2007-07-20 21:08:28 GMT from United States)
Service Packs are not weekly, as you know. There were only 2 for XP in all the years it's been out.
Securityl "fixes" are largely responses to virus writers and other vandals with code knowledge, etc. Linux has those, too. We're always downloading and installing megabytes of vulnerability patches for our linux distros, who do you think you're kidding?
96 • Linux Format needs to offer PDF only subscription. (by Brian on 2007-07-20 23:35:21 GMT from United States)
I agree with some of the other comments on here. LXF is too expensive. I am not renewing any more. I won't even buy it on newsstand. In fact, just as a method of protest, I go to the book store, bring my notepad and make notes from the articles. I have written the editor and told him this several times too.
Linux is about freedom, being creative and thinking outside the box. The fact that Linux Format does not offer a DVD-less version is just plain stupid and not offering a PDF only subscription is insane! I would pay $30 a year for that! I cannot justify paying $200 a year any more! If I won't pay that much money for 1 lousy copy of Windows XP, why would I pay that for Linux Format every year, over and over?
They have to create digital version for the magazine process as it is...for them to convert that already existing material to PDF for download would cost them almost nothing. With PDF only, I could easily archive them, there would be no clutter or jme having to store them in boxes or throw them out. I would not have useless, dust collecting DVDs laying around. I mean really...how many distros do you actually need? I toy with one or two and that is enough for most people that have real jobs and real lives to live.
Linux moves forward. Linux Format clings to the George Bush mentality of "Stay the Course". Sorry linux Format. I have moved on.
97 • # 87, # 90 Linux vs Windows/Mac (by Anonymous on 2007-07-21 02:05:24 GMT from Australia)
I'm just trying to clarify the fundamental difference between Linux and Windows/Mac. I think this is it:
Linux is tied to applications - but is more hardware independent - so that when new versions of the OS come out they include or require new versions of Open Source applications as well.
In contrast, Windows and Mac are independent of applications - but are tied to hardware. So when a new version of the OS is released people usually have to upgrade their hardware rather than their applications.
This need for hardware upgrading has produced a glut of old computers which are pretty much useless. Enter the Linux OS - that is more hardware independent and carries its own applications. So in a sense, the consumerist world of Windows and Mac have produced the very environment to allow Linux to prosper. If hardware wasn't upgraded so much Linux would still be nowhere.
The question is: how will all this unfold in the future? Will Windows/Mac still lead, or will Linux catch up and become equal or even take over the lead?
98 • Re: Caraibes & KimTjik post 4 PARDUS (by torontix on 2007-07-21 16:00:13 GMT from Canada)
Hey pals, i truly appreciate your comments about PARDUS. I have been following and reading your postings since sometime. Months ago, your analysis about this unique distro encouraged me to give it a try--- and the rest is history, as i'm now in love with PARDUS!!
As for Fedora, yes it might be a true international distro, but i personally am not that much impressed about it, as PARDUS is much lighter, polished, user-friendlier, and spectacularly beautiful --- despite its being a much a younger project than Fedora.
Comrade Caraibes and KimTjik-- please keep posting your views to enlighten people like me, who are only simple Linux users. Similarly, please keep writing and pressing those stubborn (LOL)Turkish developers of PARDUS to clear this great distro of all nuisances so that it becomes a truly international distro, joining the first 10 best distros on the list.
P.S. I wonder if PARDUS people ever visit Distrowatch to read our comments about their underestimated distro???
99 • Re:98 (by Caraibes on 2007-07-21 17:21:21 GMT from Dominican Republic)
Thanks for your post, Torontix...
Indeed, Pardus has some great potential, but the devs are just too slow to address issues, or to answer anything in the world-forums...
I just gave up on this release, and will try it again when they have a newer one...
In the mean time, I still have F7 as my primary OS, and wiped Pardus to install PCLOS 2007 on my second partition... I must admit that Mandriva & PCLOS devs have done an outstanding job... It is a good release !
100 • PCLinuxOS (by Jerry on 2007-07-21 18:45:40 GMT from United States)
Is it ok to state a problem in here that I cannot resolve in the PCLinuxOS forums? I have been attempting to install the 2007 version of PCLinuxOS on my laptop and only get a blank/black screen at a point in the installation process when it's supposed to be detecting hardware.
On my old pc this was aleviated by installing in "console" mode and then editing the xorg.conf file with vim to show my nVidia 5200 FX graphics card. That worked and I've been running 2007 for several weeks on the pc with no problems at all; I really like the way PCLinuxOS is set up, etc.
But I cannot get to the xorg.conf file on this laptop. I just get a blank/black screen. Does anybody know a tweak/trick I can do to cause the installation to finish and allow me to go into the configuration files with an editor?
101 • Re:100 (by Caraibes on 2007-07-21 20:26:06 GMT from Dominican Republic)
You might want to try either Mandriva One, or any of the *buntu's... While I am in the *buntu section, let's englobe Mepis & Mint... Usually those have all drivers ready...
102 • re 100 • PCLinuxOS (by Jerry) (by Fractalguy on 2007-07-21 21:18:44 GMT from United States)
To get your drivers correct on the liveCD you are installing from, I suggest running synaptic, search for nVidia and find a few drivers. Select the one for your card. Note the name of the driver. Log out and log in again - do not reboot. This should get your nVidia going on the live CD.
Now you should get through the installation.
After rebooting to the HD, you may have to repeat this, logging into text mode (mode 2, I think) and there you can run apt-get, installing the same driver if it isn't present. You should be able to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf also. Reboot again and hope. :)
It is very possible I don't have this right. I haven't done it here on my desktop, prefering to stay with my old PCLos p93 installation. On my test drive I did set up PCLos T3 and I didn't have as much trouble as you are having.
Good luck!
103 • re 100, 102 (by davecs on 2007-07-21 22:41:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
I also have a laptop that boots to a blank screen in PCLinuxOS. The video system is an ATi Radeon Mobility X700. There is a setting in the control centre that sets "Enable Duplicate Display on External Screen" on similar. When I uncheck this it works fine.
The key here is that when the screen goes black, I press CTRL-ALT-F1 and get a text screen, log in as root, and type the command "video". It's possible now to change my settings through a "curses" type interface. I am able to go through the settings and uncheck this setting. It also defaults to 16 colours, and I find that I need 24 to run Beryl and Compiz correctly. There is a further setting to Use EXA. This will be OK with the live CD, but some forthcoming changes in the xorg ati drivers will prevent this setting working with Beryl/Compiz, so make sure this is unchecked also.
Next I press CTRL-ALT-F7 to return to the "Black" screen, and then "CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE" to restart X at which point everything works.
Now of course there are alternate settings on the PCLOS live CD to use vesa or fbdev. These provide access to a GUI though at restricted resolution, and from there you can sort out almost everything in PCC.
One thing though, you won't get help with a "black screen" question on an FX5200 card if no-one else has ever had that problem... in my experience the xorg nv driver is selected on install, and, apart from 3D, works perfectly. The only problems I have experienced are with a Digital Monitor connection, some cheaper cards have the socket but aren't really up to the job.
104 • If people love PCLOS so much because of its control center ->>> (by Jack Da Ripper on 2007-07-22 06:16:44 GMT from Australia)
they SHOULD try the REAL THING - MANDRIVA CONTROL CENTER!!!
I did and I am never going back to any Claytons "distros" again. :-)
JDR
PS: I read somewhere that the rippers want to build from scratch.
I say, YES - GO FOR IT!!!
105 • PCLinuxOS on my laptop (by Jerry on 2007-07-22 11:03:17 GMT from United States)
Thanks for your response, Caraibes, but I've had many distros over the years and PCLinuxOS is the best for me. What I'm doing now, after permenently installing it on my pc, is working through some hassles getting it installed on my laptop, tlhen I'll be happy.
Fractalguy, the nVidia card is on the pc, not the laptop. The laptop has intel 945 graphics. I'll do a search for those drivers, but I have to admit I have no idea how to use synaptic in a machine with no operating system. Is there something I'm missing in your post? Am I supposed to get the drivers onto a CD using my pc and then use that CD somehow in the installation process on the laptop? I've never heard of such a thing being done on a machine with no OS.
106 • RE 70 Heating issues (by dbrion on 2007-07-22 13:33:56 GMT from France)
Geoff
I m very sorry for being perhaps somewhat harsh: I was confused with Fahrenheits and with #90 C temperatures...
I tried on my laptop: when 'idle' (but many services + kde + konsoles opened) I get 40C; this is the regime where powertop could be interesting...
when compiling for more than 20 minutes (R, Octave, gcc-2.4.1,...), it never goes beyond 64 C. -18 months ago, it was hotter and noisier, while it remained cool and quiet under XP: I thought of an Ute or Cheyenne distribution [ there is Pioneer Linux ] and feared smoke signals : perhaps it might be a way to communicate when there is a blank screen...)..
The DSDT table was incorporated into the initrd file, once corrected (18 months ago, my laptop overheated)...
[this leads me not to change a Linux version too often]
The script I used to monitor the temperature was the following (from memory)
##
LAG=60 # 1 sample every minute
>tempe$LAG # thermal history file
while [ 1 == 1] ; do
a=`cat /proc/acpi/thermalzone/THRM/temperature
b=`date`
echo $a $b # to the screen
echo $a $b >> tempe$LAG
sleep $LAG
done
Have a nice summer
107 • Overheating Vectorlinux (by Geoff on 2007-07-22 13:58:53 GMT from United States)
dbrion, thank you (again) for taking an interest in my query up there about that overheating issue in Vectorlinux on our laptop (three of us share this new Acer).
We decided to toss Vector and go with the distro that's been so reliable and fun to use on our old Gateway pc, PCLinuxOS. Trouble is, we can't get the installation past the graphics detection phase, so we're looking for a way to just get the live CD to work as a starting point.
The pclinuxos forums have not been able to hit on the problem, unfortunately, and we think that it might be something simple that is being overlooked. The CD is good and the md5sum checks out, etc. So it's not that.
108 • distr for laptops (by dbrion on 2007-07-22 15:05:30 GMT from France)
Perhaps the quickest way of getting a distr which has the great features one appeciateson a desktop would be to look to parent (father or sons) distributions, and see if they can support a screen.
In the PCLOSS case, one doesnot know (of course) whence it was almost entirely copied, but there is an interesting unparasitic son, SAM linux (which acknowledges her origins!!!).. Else, Potemkining (Microsoft Windows XP + Vmplayer + any distr) can solve almost any screen problem, unless it becomes a religious concern (there is no Truth except in PCLOSS)...
109 • No subject (by Geoff on 2007-07-22 15:49:22 GMT from United States)
I'm not sure what "parsitic son" and "unparasitic son" wrt distros. I know how most are derived or forked or amalgamations of some older distros; Mandrake came from Redhat 5.1 and PCLinuxOS came from Mandrake/Mandriva and Vector came from Slackware, etc. All have the Linux kernel.
Anyway, that's a side issue. I'm trying to see a way to get PCLinuxOS on our Acer laptop to work. Vector was fine until we discovered the heating problem. Maybe that's something that needs to be dealt with as an issue unto itself, but meanwhile we do want just one distro for both of these computers: PCLinuxOS 2007.
110 • RE: 46 and RE: 98 (by Anonymous on 2007-07-22 16:00:25 GMT from Sweden)
Interesting to know that you're the same Caraibes, I mean it makes the huge anonymous Internet a bit smaller.
Pardus: As Caraibes wrote it has a lot of potential. If I remember right dbrion made a post some time ago about how such distros first of all will pay attention to its own, in this case Turkish users. That's a logical approach which can be seen by on their home page. Three objects are listed as "Pardus Aims" and the first is the following:
"To provide full Turkish support by making the character structure compatible to Turkish (UTF-8 compatibility) and by making all the messages and documents visible to users into Turkish."
I understand that and accept that it for some time will be the dominant aim. Since it has gained some momentum it will now be interesting to see how it can live up the second object:
"To ensure that it is an operating system which can be installed and used more easily than the existing Linux distributions and other competitive operating systems."
That's something that doesn't have anything to do with language support, but more about a clean and correctly configured distro which works on a wide range of hardware. Especially in view of the third and last object:
"Designing its in a modular configuration which can achieve the required flexibility and high performance with a task-based and human-focused approach rather than a tool-based and technology-based one."
How the team behind the Pardus project deals with the issues encountered will prove if Pardus will become more than promising. I suppose they got to have a more active response to issues posted in English, because a big base of hardware configurations is always needed. As it is now you sometimes randomly come across an explanation from a developer of how certain configuration commands should be used, which is a bit frustrating, because no wiki no documentation do cover those aspects in a language that I understand (in view of this we probably have to be thankful for PCLinuxOS not being maintained by a swahili only speaking Texstar).
I still have Pardus running on one machine - to keep an eye on how it develops - but I realize that it has it's limitations. On the other hand it probably already works better than many on most hardware (like it does on the system I'm referring to). All in all Pardus is a good distro (some traditionalist of Unix security might and have proven to get upset over some security aspects in Pardus; but I personally think that's up to the user to decide whether he/she likes it or not), and if the team shows humbleness to accept (bug reports does indicate that that's the case) certain flaws and cut off the ruff edges, it could certainly become a real contender.
On the other hand I've got no success running Ubuntu on several of my computers, so I think we should be just as forgiving when talking about Pardus. One of the few distros which works on a whole range of my computers are Fedora, no matter if it's Intel, AMD/ATI or Nvidia based or a mix of those, but then I also realize that Fedora probably have a bigger and more experienced organization with more resources.
111 • About post 110 (by KimTjik on 2007-07-22 16:01:49 GMT from Sweden)
Just for clarity: it was written by me (I did push the button to hastily).
112 • 105 • PCLinuxOS on my laptop (by Jerry) (by Fractalguy on 2007-07-22 19:39:51 GMT from United States)
"I have no idea how to use synaptic in a machine with no operating system. "
Jerry, sorry for any confusion. I'm thinking when you try to install the OS, you are using the live CD. At that point, you do have use of synaptic and can try installing drivers in the live session. When you find one that works, note which one it is. Checking the driver installation involves exiting X and logging in again.
Now if the install finishes (you are still in live CD mode) the OS should be on the HD. You can check if it is, look at the files on the HD. I did this whentrying to get KNOPPIX loaded on a partition. The whole thing was there, viewable from KNOPPIX live. But it would not boot. Anyway, I figure you can check it out from the live session to some extent. If the OS is not installed, then it is some other problem. GRUB, etc. :/
Now you boot into the HD but in mode 2 in need be (text only) and there you can use apt-get to load the driver you found from the live session. You can even edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to reflect the changes.
Someone with more expertise than I can verify/clarify my idea, I'm happy to learn here. In fact video driver issues and Internet connection are two of my many area for growth. I'm goping by stuff I learned on live chats on Elive and PCLos. It would be useful to have detailed instructions on how to do this if there is anything useful.
What-ever, I'm not going back to the legacy OS. :)
113 • RE: 98 RE: 99 Pardus developers (by chris on 2007-07-22 20:31:07 GMT from United States)
I submitted a bug report about a hang at the last install screen of the Pardus 2007.2 RC.
An e-mail was sent to me by :
"Firstly, sorry for the late answer Your last problem about hung in GoodBye screen is fixed in repository and your computer won't hung with Pardus 2007.2
(when we release it )"
114 • Correction to my 113. (by chris on 2007-07-22 20:36:49 GMT from United States)
The second line should read:
An e-mail was sent to me by gokmen@pardus.org.tr
115 • Bye bye Linspire (by Fractalguy on 2007-07-22 20:44:39 GMT from United States)
I actually installed and ran Lindows for a few weeks 3 years ago. And I have a nicely boxed Linspire Five-O. But I don't use it and will not pass it on to others. No point in spreading the Linspire/Microsoft OS any further. Read some of why on Groklaw.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2007072014373817
"We can read the Linspire-Microsoft patent agreement now, ... (more details omitted here) ... "Here's what you can still do: just sit there and don't make any sudden moves. Pretend you are using Microsoft software instead of GPL'd software. Don't think. Don't modify. Don't share. Don't explore. Don't improve. Don't innovate. Don't distribute. Don't sublicense. Don't do 'unauthorized' things. Don't do nuttin' or you might get sued. What was Linspire thinking?"
116 • Graphic Cards in LINUX (by RadOH on 2007-07-23 01:24:49 GMT from United States)
PCLOS is my choice, because it does and I can. Now any Distro I try or install,
I always use video safe mode, WHY? Its the only real way to set up a custom install with all the different hardware thats out here and I've found the best way to stop any problems before they start. The reason is control, get it to load, get it to install, and solve any setup problems if any after you have setup and installed the correct drivers made for the release or make them yourself. Thats what a M$ free Linux OS is all about. And if you don't know how, READ, its all there in the forums. Almost any forum. sound is another problem, same thing. But thats our choice.
117 • Re 110 Pardus multi-language (by dbrion on 2007-07-23 06:24:03 GMT from France)
As there are many bilingual Turks, it might be an interesting feature, as Caraibes wrote: once it is done for two languages, I do not see the difficulty of getting it done in its full generality.
I noticed that , last year, Pardus was meant only for Turkish: now, it gets support in Catalan (language written in a rich part of Spain and sometyime spoken in South France, but considered as a minor language (cf DWW in july 2007) in Asia or america.)
I suppose that developpers have no time to answer immediately, but, if one explains it is a need of the Turkish emigrated communauty, a bilingual Pardus wo not be inconsistent with their claim...
118 • Re 109 : Definition (and example ) of parasitic GNU/linux distrs... (by dbrion on 2007-07-23 06:38:21 GMT from France)
"I'm not sure what "parsitic son" and "unparasitic son" wrt distros"
Maintenant, je suis sûr que vous faites l'idiot.
Au cas où, vous pouvez relire avec profit, il y a 2 semaines:
* les dénégations embarassées, voire insultantes de OPardus une fois qu'on a pu constater que, malgé des efforts d'effacement (liés selon god/Texstar à une économie de place bien dérisoire), il s'agit d'une copie non reconnue mais à 99% de "Mandriva! Duh! I "(comme l'écrit si élégamment devnet dans DWWhttp://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070716&mode=15, poste 64).
* une fois que cette méthode de "développement" a été indéfendable, les explications boiteuses (ce sont des demi-mensonges, bien évidemment).
Le fait de copier donne-t-il le droit de:
* prendre des versions non corrigées (les corrections ayant lieu sur la distribution initiale pour des raisons de sécurité)?
* mentir aux utilisateurs?
119 • cor 118 (by dbrion on 2007-07-23 06:40:15 GMT from France)
s/de OPardus/du gang des bricoleurs de PCLOSS/
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| • Issue 1077 (2024-07-01): The Unity and Lomiri interfaces, different distros for different tasks, Ubuntu plans to run Wayland on NVIDIA cards, openSUSE updates Leap Micro, Debian releases refreshed media, UBports gaining contact synchronisation, FreeDOS celebrates its 30th anniversary |
| • Issue 1076 (2024-06-24): openSUSE 15.6, what makes Linux unique, SUSE Liberty Linux to support CentOS Linux 7, SLE receives 19 years of support, openSUSE testing Leap Micro edition |
| • Issue 1075 (2024-06-17): Redox OS, X11 and Wayland on the BSDs, AlmaLinux releases Pi build, Canonical announces RISC-V laptop with Ubuntu, key changes in systemd |
| • Issue 1074 (2024-06-10): Endless OS 6.0.0, distros with init diversity, Mint to filter unverified Flatpaks, Debian adds systemd-boot options, Redox adopts COSMIC desktop, OpenSSH gains new security features |
| • Issue 1073 (2024-06-03): LXQt 2.0.0, an overview of Linux desktop environments, Canonical partners with Milk-V, openSUSE introduces new features in Aeon Desktop, Fedora mirrors see rise in traffic, Wayland adds OpenBSD support |
| • Issue 1072 (2024-05-27): Manjaro 24.0, comparing init software, OpenBSD ports Plasma 6, Arch community debates mirror requirements, ThinOS to upgrade its FreeBSD core |
| • Issue 1071 (2024-05-20): Archcraft 2024.04.06, common command line mistakes, ReactOS imports WINE improvements, Haiku makes adjusting themes easier, NetBSD takes a stand against code generated by chatbots |
| • Issue 1070 (2024-05-13): Damn Small Linux 2024, hiding kernel messages during boot, Red Hat offers AI edition, new web browser for UBports, Fedora Asahi Remix 40 released, Qubes extends support for version 4.1 |
| • Issue 1069 (2024-05-06): Ubuntu 24.04, installing packages in alternative locations, systemd creates sudo alternative, Mint encourages XApps collaboration, FreeBSD publishes quarterly update |
| • Issue 1068 (2024-04-29): Fedora 40, transforming one distro into another, Debian elects new Project Leader, Red Hat extends support cycle, Emmabuntus adds accessibility features, Canonical's new security features |
| • Issue 1067 (2024-04-22): LocalSend for transferring files, detecting supported CPU architecure levels, new visual design for APT, Fedora and openSUSE working on reproducible builds, LXQt released, AlmaLinux re-adds hardware support |
| • Issue 1066 (2024-04-15): Fun projects to do with the Raspberry Pi and PinePhone, installing new software on fixed-release distributions, improving GNOME Terminal performance, Mint testing new repository mirrors, Gentoo becomes a Software In the Public Interest project |
| • Issue 1065 (2024-04-08): Dr.Parted Live 24.03, answering questions about the xz exploit, Linux Mint to ship HWE kernel, AlmaLinux patches flaw ahead of upstream Red Hat, Calculate changes release model |
| • Issue 1064 (2024-04-01): NixOS 23.11, the status of Hurd, liblzma compromised upstream, FreeBSD Foundation focuses on improving wireless networking, Ubuntu Pro offers 12 years of support |
| • Issue 1063 (2024-03-25): Redcore Linux 2401, how slowly can a rolling release update, Debian starts new Project Leader election, Red Hat creating new NVIDIA driver, Snap store hit with more malware |
| • Issue 1062 (2024-03-18): KDE neon 20240304, changing file permissions, Canonical turns 20, Pop!_OS creates new software centre, openSUSE packages Plasma 6 |
| • Issue 1061 (2024-03-11): Using a PinePhone as a workstation, restarting background services on a schedule, NixBSD ports Nix to FreeBSD, Fedora packaging COSMIC, postmarketOS to adopt systemd, Linux Mint replacing HexChat |
| • Issue 1060 (2024-03-04): AV Linux MX-23.1, bootstrapping a network connection, key OpenBSD features, Qubes certifies new hardware, LXQt and Plasma migrate to Qt 6 |
| • Issue 1059 (2024-02-26): Warp Terminal, navigating manual pages, malware found in the Snap store, Red Hat considering CPU requirement update, UBports organizes ongoing work |
| • Issue 1058 (2024-02-19): Drauger OS 7.6, how much disk space to allocate, System76 prepares to launch COSMIC desktop, UBports changes its version scheme, TrueNAS to offer faster deduplication |
| • Issue 1057 (2024-02-12): Adelie Linux 1.0 Beta, rolling release vs fixed for a smoother experience, Debian working on 2038 bug, elementary OS to split applications from base system updates, Fedora announces Atomic Desktops |
| • Issue 1056 (2024-02-05): wattOS R13, the various write speeds of ISO writing tools, DSL returns, Mint faces Wayland challenges, HardenedBSD blocks foreign USB devices, Gentoo publishes new repository, Linux distros patch glibc flaw |
| • Issue 1055 (2024-01-29): CNIX OS 231204, distributions patching packages the most, Gentoo team presents ongoing work, UBports introduces connectivity and battery improvements, interview with Haiku developer |
| • Issue 1054 (2024-01-22): Solus 4.5, comparing dd and cp when writing ISO files, openSUSE plans new major Leap version, XeroLinux shutting down, HardenedBSD changes its build schedule |
| • Issue 1053 (2024-01-15): Linux AI voice assistants, some distributions running hotter than others, UBports talks about coming changes, Qubes certifies StarBook laptops, Asahi Linux improves energy savings |
| • Issue 1052 (2024-01-08): OpenMandriva Lx 5.0, keeping shell commands running when theterminal closes, Mint upgrades Edge kernel, Vanilla OS plans big changes, Canonical working to make Snap more cross-platform |
| • Issue 1051 (2024-01-01): Favourite distros of 2023, reloading shell settings, Asahi Linux releases Fedora remix, Gentoo offers binary packages, openSUSE provides full disk encryption |
| • Issue 1050 (2023-12-18): rlxos 2023.11, renaming files and opening terminal windows in specific directories, TrueNAS publishes ZFS fixes, Debian publishes delayed install media, Haiku polishes desktop experience |
| • Issue 1049 (2023-12-11): Lernstick 12, alternatives to WINE, openSUSE updates its branding, Mint unveils new features, Lubuntu team plans for 24.04 |
| • Issue 1048 (2023-12-04): openSUSE MicroOS, the transition from X11 to Wayland, Red Hat phasing out X11 packages, UBports making mobile development easier |
| • Issue 1047 (2023-11-27): GhostBSD 23.10.1, Why Linux uses swap when memory is free, Ubuntu Budgie may benefit from Wayland work in Xfce, early issues with FreeBSD 14.0 |
| • Issue 1046 (2023-11-20): Slackel 7.7 "Openbox", restricting CPU usage, Haiku improves font handling and software centre performance, Canonical launches MicroCloud |
| • Issue 1045 (2023-11-13): Fedora 39, how to trust software packages, ReactOS booting with UEFI, elementary OS plans to default to Wayland, Mir gaining ability to split work across video cards |
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