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1 • SimplyMepis (by nightflier on 2007-02-19 14:19:53 GMT from United States) |
I am happy to hear that Mepis is coming back. For a while it was looking like development was slowing way down.
2 • PCLOS on Heroes (by Hiru on 2007-02-19 14:30:48 GMT from United States)
Me very proud to see PCLinuxOS on the Heroes TV show.
I hope all PCLOS fans enjoy very much also!
Texstar is a hero and I wait very much for final new version PCLOS.
3 • PCLOS (by Darren Harris on 2007-02-19 14:43:55 GMT from United Kingdom)
Ive used nearly all Linux distros at some time or another and i have to say pclos is the the best. superb software,,,,,,,Texstar is a true hero
4 • Linux (by Darren Harris on 2007-02-19 14:46:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
I wonder if old Bill Gates is getting worried yet because i think its that time,,,,Linux is far more superior than windowz,,,and FREE
5 • sidux Preview 4 (by mikhail on 2007-02-19 15:03:48 GMT from United States)
Over the weekend, the sidux team released Preview 4 with minimal changes from Preview 3. It can be downloaded from here: http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/sidux/preview/
6 • Ubuntu's Decision (by Whitt Madden on 2007-02-19 15:19:25 GMT from United States)
I for one applaud Ubuntu on their decision not to include the 3D Desktop in Fiesty Fawn. As much as I would love to see it included, it simply is not ready. There are too many bugs that affect a lot of users for it to be default. And it could be that maybe the 3D Desktop such as XGL, or AIGLX, are stable, but perhaps the programs that we are using, ie. Beryl are what is unstable. I installed Beryl on my opensuse desktop, and when it works good, it's amazing, but too many times, it freezes up, or slows my desktop to a halt. I hope that more development work is done to fix some of these issues, and would love to see it included in the future as default.
7 • RHEL 5 (by Deependra Shekhawat on 2007-02-19 15:37:57 GMT from India)
Does someone knows when they are going to release RHEL5. If it's in feb. then what's the expected date. I have been waiting for this release as I am using the beta2 for past few days and it's great. I am eagerly waiting for the final release.
8 • Bumps in the road (by Tech Crazed on 2007-02-19 15:54:34 GMT from Singapore)
"bumps in the middle of the road" - talk about alot of empty hype. WOW they decided to change version numbers, BIG DEAL
9 • Re: RHEL 5 (by DJ Gentoo at 2007-02-19 15:57:31 GMT from United States)
It's on the table: February 28. You'll only be waiting 9 more days.
10 • Re: Bumps in the road (by DJ Gentoo on 2007-02-19 16:01:29 GMT from United States)
The change in version numbers actually means something, like the article said... Mepis has important changes in X, maybe even Beryl/AIGLX, not to mention a complete new theme. As for SaxenOS, 0.9 version numbers might seem like much, but over 200 megabytes should. Plus, XFCE to Equinox? Major change.
11 • Re: Re: Bumps in the road (by Tech Crazed on 2007-02-19 16:10:12 GMT from Singapore)
"DJ Gentoo" I am not saying the new revision numbers are'nt justified. But the article inferred there was a problem because they decided to change their rev numbering system. BTW i have SimplyMEPIS 6.5 Beta 5 installed on one of my test boxes and works great, very impressed.
12 • Sams Publishing violates the GPL? (by ignorance_is_bliss on 2007-02-19 16:19:02 GMT from Germany)
Daniel Robbins writes:
Well, it turns out that although the book contains excerpts of Linux kernel source code, this in itself does not cause the book to be considered a derivative work of the Linux kernel. Rather than being a "gray area," it appears that Sams Publishing is convinced that this their book is not a derivative work of the Linux kernel. In fact, they appear to be so confident of this fact that they have added their own license to the book which states (in part) that "No part of this book shall be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted by any means..." Clearly not GPL.
I wonder if this means that those snippets of Linux kernel source code that the book quotes can no longer be reproduced, stored or transmitted without consulting Sams Publishing first? If this is the case, then Sams Publishing appears to violate the GPL with their own "viral" proprietary license.
13 • 12 (by ex-man on 2007-02-19 16:30:30 GMT from United States)
It doesn't matter what they say, or what license they use, because they don't own the copyright to that code. When they say "No part" it makes no difference what they mean, because it has no legal standing. OTOH, I doubt you'd be able to convince a judge that writing about the Linux kernel makes it a derivative work.
14 • Re: 2, PCLOS on Heroes and Insert (by kilgoretrout on 2007-02-19 16:35:57 GMT from United States)
I was not aware that PCLOS was shown on Heroes. Could you please be more specific re which episode and the plot circumstances that showed PCLOS.
Also, my congratulations to the Insert team on their 1.3.9a release. To anyone that likes to use livecds for troubleshooting and repair, Insert includes an incredible amount of useful utilities on a 60MB iso. It's one of my favorites and has saved me on numerous occasions.
15 • Ubuntu Flavors and 3D Desktops (by Tazix on 2007-02-19 16:50:29 GMT from United States)
Well, I hope that when Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc. do have the proprietary drivers / 3D Desktop included... that it will remain an installation CHOICE.
Not because of political reasons... but because since I run Xubuntu for less resource hogging (even on a modern system), I can continue to run "lighter weight", by conscious choice.
Since media runs fine with included xorg drivers, and I don't game on Linux... I really don't have a need for 3D accelerated drivers, nor a 3D desktop.
That's not to say I'm against proprietary stuff being included... I just want the choice of what proprietary things I want (like codecs), at install time.
16 • Re: You get the idea... (by DJ Gentoo on 2007-02-19 16:51:56 GMT from United States)
Funny... I got that impression, too, clicking the link and thinking MEPIS really is jinxed...
It's been suggested. But I'm glad I was wrong.
17 • Re: 3, PCLOS on Heroes tv series (by roadrash on 2007-02-19 17:05:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
It was the January 29th episode. Go here to read more about it :-
18 • Windows is more convenient than Linux, though not better (by Yasser on 2007-02-19 17:40:22 GMT from India)
Although I agree that Linux is technologically far superior to Windows as an OS, I feel that Windows is far more convenient in the long run. I can't play Shockwave animations in my browser. CDs that come with non-IT books won't run on Linux. You always have to think so much before buying a new piece of hardware like webcams or printers. Many IE-friendly sites won't display correctly in Firefox. You can't see Windows media movies online without breaking the law and installing w32codecs. Flash 9 took quite a bit of time to be releasewd for Linux. Many games won't work. And so on....
Now u might say: "Ya with winblows u've got malware, spyware, viruses etc..."
I agree, but thats mostly a problem only for too careless Windows users. If u use Firefox in Windows (or mostly open-source apps) and have SpyBot & AVG antivirus installed, and don't install too much of crap on ur system, I'm sure that ur journey with Windows XP is gonna be a smooth enjoyable ride. I'd have to say that Vista ain't anything too exotic, and that I prefer XP to it. Thats why MS has listened to its customers & decided to extend official support for XP till 2014. And one more thing I need to say: Linux distro appear and disappear pretty fast, while Microsoft is something thats here to stay. Linux too will stay here I believe, but its such a "fragmented" world where "fragments" are distros and theres no single best distro. And distro-creators often abandon their projects. But Linux is more humane than Windows. But if u talk about convenience, my vote goes to Windows.
19 • Sabayon Linux (by RedBoar on 2007-02-19 18:03:23 GMT from United States)
I tried the 3.26 DVD and it is without a doubt the fastest 3D desktop I've run on my PC to date. I really hope the recent resignations don't affect what is so far a very promising distro for those who won't spend hours monkeying around with a Gentoo setup or trying to get other distros working with Beryl or Xgl and it never working 100% like it does with Sabayon.
20 • Mepis and Windows is more convenient... (by JS on 2007-02-19 18:09:28 GMT from United States)
#18 - My only comment is I am very thankful not everybody takes the path of least resistance, or we will be stuck with a monopoly forever. Nobody ever said freedom and independence is going to be easy...
As for Mepis, I'm surprised that Susan had so many install problems. I've installed the 32bit beta 5 on three computers (dual boot with XP), and have installed the 64bit beta 5 on two computers (one dual boot, one not) and have experienced zero install errors. In fact just the opposite, everything worked great. I guess it just depends on your hardware.
21 • Fragmented Linux (by Joe on 2007-02-19 18:19:28 GMT )
You may think the Linux world is fragmented, but actually it isn't. The GPL holds them all together so that if one group of coders creates a feature that others will like, you can be assured that feature will show up on another distribution. CentOS wouldn't exist if there was no GPLi.
While I agree that some developers leave projects they start, and other projects just stop dead in the water, you can be assured that Red Hat, Debian and SuSE won't be going away anytime before Microsoft is likely to declare bankruptcy.
There are other big names in the mix, so don't feel slighted if I left out your favorite distro. I see that Linux has come a long way in the past few years. Now it is simple to install and run. It wasn't always so.
If you think Windows is easier than Linux to install then you have never installed one of the modern distributions or you have never installed Windows.
One only has to be careful with hardware because the hardware manufactures refuse to release the proprietary drivers or sometimes refuse to support Linux at all. I won't name names.
22 • Re: Windows is more convenient than Linux, though not better (by YUR on 2007-02-19 18:52:34 GMT from United States)
Oh no. Please no more Linux vs. Windows war here ... not again. Please let's not waist our energy on this fruitless matter. Please please please !!!
23 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2007-02-19 18:55:05 GMT from France)
This are the ritual , endlessly repeated and highly unconvincing arguments of the Linux lovers against Windows:
why should not one have the advantages of two (or three) systems?
"If you think Windows is easier than Linux to install then you have never
installed one of the modern distributions or you have never installed Windows."
This is IMO a very good reason to keep Windows.
"The GPL holds them all together "
As it does for MinGW and Cygwin (normally, one can develop an application under Windows + Cygwin,
and just change 4 lines (%) to port it under Linux...
Under GNU/linux " the hardware manufactures refuse to release the proprietary drivers"
So do the virus manufacturers.... One should wait till Linux is 20-30 % part of the PCs...
(Quand tu seras grand, t'auras des virus...)
Bytw the only site infected withh viruses was an Australian site dedicated to the promotion of Linux (it was their sponsors'fault -ben voyons-) .Any Windows antivirus detected it last year...
24 • 18 (by Anonymous on 2007-02-19 19:04:34 GMT from United States)
Go troll somewhere else. I can't run xfce on Windows so it's a pile of junk. Get a life.
25 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2007-02-19 19:05:42 GMT from United States)
> Oh no. Please no more Linux vs. Windows war here ... not again. Please let's not waist our energy on this fruitless matter. Please please please !!!
I suggest that Ladislav delete posts from Windows trolls.
26 • RE 24 I can't run xfce on Windows so it's a pile of junk. Get a life. (by dbrion on 2007-02-19 19:30:33 GMT from France)
"http://bamanzi.inlsd.org/cygwin/xfce4/README.html" have ported xfce under Cygwin. It might interest ppl because :
the Cygwin idea was brilliant (not "a pile of junk"). it shows that there are open minded pple in the GNU
xfce can be beautiful (Belenix live DVD is...).
There is a life out of Linux....
27 • Sigh... A lot of work to do for Theo de R. (by h3rman on 2007-02-19 19:34:33 GMT from Europe)
... and RMS of course.
First the offer to sign NDAs, now Ubuntu stating the non-inclusion of blobs is not a matter of principle, but simply a technicality...
It is, for many, the end of free software/open source *by default* from the installer. I mean, it'll get fuzzier from now: will I be installing a nice open source system, or will all kinds of blobs be loaded too?
Why is loading blobs by such a bog distro a VERY BAD thing, besides them being, of course, non-free software?
- GONE is the motivation for Linux users to purchase and use hardware that have open drivers;
- distributions that *do* have a more ethically conscious point of view will be increasingly regarded as "CRIPPLED" by the ignorant, simply for not loading the blobs;
- system stability will decrease, systems will be impossible to DEBUG - Windows style "uhh, I guess, just reinstall the whole bloody OS" will increasingly accur;
- manufacturers will not be inclined to listen to people asking for REAL open drivers/specs, they'll instead be quite content to state, "those other people are perfectly fine using our proprietary drivers, so just get a life please";
- I'm sure there must be more bad stuff I can't think of right now.
Anyone that does not understand this, has apparently never heard of the phrase "*long_term_effects*". It is not very difficult to imagine these damages being done.
*!* Just because Windows users have put up with proprietary stuff for ages, doesn't mean that blobs in a free/open source software OS are no problemo! *!*
I wish you all cheerleaders of Ubuntu's a lot of wisdom, and I hope people will finally see the light. Because this behaviour (that I've just tried to explain is bad here) is bringing REAL open source/free software to the margins, and trying to bring some opportunistic, whiner-pleasing hybrid crap to all of our computers.
Rethink this, and find out why it is *not* so good for you...
28 • Sabayon, PCLOS and Windows (by Snowman on 2007-02-19 21:32:55 GMT from United States)
I really like SabayonLinux, it has replaced PCLOS on my desktop. I feel it takes advange of the 64 bit system quite well and I really like the Beryl effects. That said I still use PCLOS on my laptop and will never go away from it. I have to use Windows at work. I would not knock Windows or Linux (in it's various distros). Both systems have their place in the world. True, Linux is better than Windows in many ways, but Windows is still the leader in installations world-wide. It's up to us to show the world Linux is better, not by bashing Windows but by demonstrating Linux's superiority.
29 • LInux better than XP (by Paul on 2007-02-20 00:05:20 GMT from United Kingdom)
I fix people's Windows computers for a living. What the guy says about AVG, Spybot and not being careless is correct.
I actually spent several months searching for a version of Linux that ordinary people could actually use and that I could actually install for them and have people leave me alone afterward and not have lots of problems. The only one that comes close is Dream Linux, my non-tech wife is actually using this in preference to XP with no problems. It is also the only distro with a pleasing font appearance. However, driver issues keep me from using it more widely. especially wireless. It is actually better than XP but the problem is that windows is the standard and to overcome that you have to be a lot better in every way, especially including a user friendly appearance. I have found the motivation amongst Linux people varies - some of this holds Linux back because they actually want to have a complex system that others can't understand and they look down on user friendliness.
30 • re 27 -- Blob of Death (by Anonymous on 2007-02-20 00:10:51 GMT from New Zealand)
Blobs are the trans fatty acids in our daily computing diets.
31 • Linux vs. Windows (by Basilio on 2007-02-20 00:50:50 GMT from Puerto Rico)
I love Linux and I am a MacUser since 1987 (MacSE time, for the record) BUT... I pay my bills supporting Windows users... (I am training to make a living supporting Linux users, not so far from here...). As for supporting the Mac users... nevermind. These machines refuse to break. (I trashed my still working MacPlus). I see the Linux environment growing "virally" and getting more user-friendly every MONTH. I never considered giving a try to Linux in the 90's because of the "geeky" fame it developed; but right now I see the features of a really modern-user-friendly Operating System. As a final comment, I would emphasize this community is formed of really "thinking" people... we have choices, and make informed decisions, not only driven bay convenience or faint of heart.
32 • graphic drivers (by Anonymous on 2007-02-20 01:49:46 GMT from Germany)
to bad. i want play some not so old windows games on new graphic cards but the manufactures as nvidia and ati dont develop drivers for old OS like as win 98. these games are not playable on win xp, i wanted to play them on win 98 but dont find a driver for it:( so there is also a hope that these games are playable on linux with wine and mostly linux have always 3d graphic drivers for all cards, old and new.
33 • just sad (by Anonymous on 2007-02-20 01:57:15 GMT from United States)
For some time now I’ve read at quite a few sites that using proprietary software on GNU/Linux, be it drivers or user programs, is “wrong.” That its violates the GPL, and its just as bad as downloading music/movies from the internet, or kicking a puppy. Its to bad that proprietary and opensource software aren’t able to play nice together. GNU/Linux could have been more that just a hobbie OS. Guess the world is stuck with the poor offerings from Microsoft.
34 • Airport Extreme (by Andrew on 2007-02-20 01:58:48 GMT from Canada)
I've been trying to configure Linux (Sabayon) to work properly on my Intel Mac, but I have one sticking point: getting the Airport Extreme wireless card to work properly with the WEP-protected wireless internet access here. Can anyone help?
35 • Proprietary Drivers (by stepchat on 2007-02-20 02:05:55 GMT from United States)
I have read many times on various forums and Linux news sites about why proprietary drivers should not be used in a Linux Distro. The argument that using only hardware that supports open source will encourage hardware manufacturers to release specifications about their hardware is a pipe dream. Do people think that hardware manufacturers really care what 2-3% of all computer users beliefs are on open source vs. proprietary drivers. The hardware manufacturers main concern is their bottom line and making those who own their stock happy. Hardware manufacturers maintain this competitiveness and their bottom line by maintaining their trade secrets.
36 • graphics vendor competition (by Anonymous on 2007-02-20 03:11:30 GMT from New Zealand)
Keeping trade secrets doesn't really equate with market success. CPU vendors AMD and Intel have made their chips generally accessible to OS developers without giving secrets away. Much of their success relates to chip production technology, not the way they add binary bits together. The graphics vendors really need to put some effort into providing an open source driver base that works.
37 • 26 (by ex-man on 2007-02-20 04:50:06 GMT from United States)
I cannot use xfce as a replacement for the Windows desktop, however. I do realize that most of Linux runs on Windows, and through VMWare actually Windows runs inside of Linux.
I was just giving an example of software that doesn't run on Windows to show the silliness of the argument that Windows *must* be better if there are programs that run on Windows but not Linux.
38 • Ultima Linux (by s1acker on 2007-02-20 05:31:52 GMT from Australia)
Cool. Ultima is back online
39 • Binary blobs, hardware, Linux and laptops (by Fractalguy on 2007-02-20 05:36:07 GMT from United States)
Well, I don't know which blobs work on what machines and with what hardware. The combatability lists are often incomplete and dated. So that is why I champion the livecd, the best way to select your hardware. Money talks, non-combatable walks.
So I'm going to download the latest Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, Mepis, and go huntin' for a laptop. I have in mind for starters a referb IBM THINKPAD T30 - $529.00, maybe a DELL LATITUDE D600 - $539.00, or a TOSHIBA TECRA M2 - $529.00 that I saw in the paper. Whatever, it better work with all livecds or else.
Now if there were a single livecd that one could put in that would test right off is "Linux" will work the hibernate, wifi, etc. that would be great. But the driver sets in these distros are always a mix and match leaving me with totally guessing.
Is there a good approach to this that will reward the manufacturers that work with Linux? I think we are getting a great chance to get "abandoned"
machines tossed to the side by corporate types who think they must have Vista. Or maybe not. But I'm aiming to go laptophuntin'.
40 • No subject (by PCLinux on 2007-02-20 06:06:14 GMT from Singapore)
PCLinuxOS 2007 is great! It's the best distro I have ever used!
41 • RE 27 Complements (by dbrion on 2007-02-20 07:39:13 GMT from France)
"- I'm sure there must be more bad stuff I can't think of right now."
I fear you are right:
when they go in the train, they are called 'rob me'. If they have a very expensive hardware, they are most intersting to thieves, and sometimes, their owner may be hurt Are Linux users so many that they should risk their health/lives? If one wants to play music / watch DVDs, there are specialised stuffs that are far cheaper than a laptop, and are not a working tool.
nice cards are power consuming, so that sometimes there is choice btw having an expensive, not Linux supported card and having more disk and a better CPU (the power supply cannot safely stand both). If there are no gaming "needs", the sellers knows the choice (it annoys him, because it is not standard=> he is quietly asked by pple who can buy elsewhere to have wiser standards)...
Thinking of a computer as a CP (as fast as possible) + RAM (as much as possible)+ disk (as big as possible) (+ a keyboard and screen -from an user point of view, servers have not that stuff-) might lead to better simpler computers , though it is an outdated point of view (OLPC goes a little beyond this point of view, is quite innovating and seems promising).
42 • RE #25 (by Soloact on 2007-02-20 08:42:02 GMT from United States)
"I suggest that Ladislav delete posts from Windows trolls."
Ever consider that some of the MSWindows users are not trolls, but rather those popping out rather harsh questions in order to read replies having to do with the possibility of the person thinking of making a dive into Linux? Maybe someone is looking into dual-booting or a live CD/DVD to find out more, but just need that right piece of information that would help them make that, in many cases, difficult first step.
We're always going to have "this is better than that" as it is a part of society, and is usually based on opinion rather than facts. People are used to using MSWindows, or in a smaller percentage, Mac OS, and might be hesitant to make that first step into Linux, if, everytime they make a statement or ask a question, they get flamed for being a troll.
To defend, now, the other hand, many (not all) MSWindows users in that situation where they want to experiment with Linux, need to be polite in return.
A polite question or statement deserves a polite reply. An harsh question or statement needs a reply that asks for clarification of the questioner's intent.
This would lead to good will between everyone involved, and just might win over converts to Linux. These converts, learning the polite way of asking/stating, will in turn tell their friends about the benefits and helpfulness of Linux and the experts that help them, and more people would add their numbers to the Linux and/or Dual-boot ranks.
As always, this is IMHO as an end-user. I am a loooong way from being any kind of expert.
43 • Re:14 INSERT CD for repair (by Tervel on 2007-02-20 09:11:31 GMT from Austria)
I would also like to recommend the INSERT cd for troubleshooting and repair tasks, i personally use The Ultimate Boot CD (includes INSERT + many others usefull tools). http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ These guys are doing outstanding job.
44 • sabayon (by weg on 2007-02-20 10:56:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
Dont get me wrong, Sabayon is a great distro, one of my favs infact. But one comment i have on it, is its not super fast at all. Boot time takes forever (and always has done- live or installed) and i see little or no performance increase when running beryl on Sabayon rather that anything else. The mini cd version pleased me much more, less cruft installed and faster performance. Only thing is the mini cds take a back seat in releases and development. Apart from that said, Sabayon deserves all the praise it gets- ive been checking it out since it was RR4- and its always been exciting. Peace folks.
P.s Until Novell/Microsoft release MS Linux windows, then i fail to see why constant mentions of windows are even on this site. This is a LINUX/BSD distro site.
45 • RE 14 et 43 Thank you for reminding of rescue CDs (by dbrion on 2007-02-20 11:54:00 GMT from France)
They have a low Distrowatch ranking, while, according to DWW, Dw is mainly visited by MICROSOFT Windows users. This may have three interpretations:
a) DW rankings are not a quite accurate view of users preferences.
b) There are not that many viruses under Windows....
c) DW readers have already antiviruses...
" People are used to using MSWindows, or in a smaller percentage, Mac OS, and might be hesitant to make that first step into Linux, if, everytime they make a statement or ask a question, they get flamed for being a troll. "
As I read many GNU/linux lovers statements, I *did not hesitate* to test PCBSD which I intend as a final part of a triboot system . As far as now, I tested it under qemu , which has been free since long(VMplayer went somewhat free at about the same time than MICROSOFOT VirtualPc: why? VirtualBox is getting in fashion, but is very young).
I never had to beg for help (jusrt read the doc and compile what I need in the GoboLinux/ traditionnal way). I acknowledge DW and GNU/Linux Magazine(France) for making me know of its existence.
46 • SaxenOS (by Anonymous on 2007-02-20 13:03:21 GMT from United States)
Thanks for reviewing SaxenOS. It's a great little distro for older (slower) machines. I do with they had kept EDE though.
47 • Happy New Pig's Year! (by XuCanHao on 2007-02-20 13:14:58 GMT from China)
48 • 42 (by Anonymous on 2007-02-20 15:48:59 GMT from United States)
It's one thing to say "I'm concerned that I can't run all of my applications on Linux" or "what are the advantages of Linux".
It's another thing entirely to post a message on a Linux site that "Windows is superior in every way to Linux. There are no security problems with Windows. Windows does everything out of the box." If that is a question about Linux from a potential user, perhaps we need to give links to psychological websites rather than Linux distro websites.
These are generally people who tried Linux for a few days, found out it is different from Windows, and are now trying to spread lies to potential Linux users. I do not believe it is a good idea to be nice to individuals with such intentions. It is especially important to make someone who misleads others about Windows security to look stupid. Telling lies about how spyware is not a problem on Windows can do real damage to other people.
Others have inquired on this site about how to move to Linux, and have gotten good responses. We need to be sure to clean out the lies, though.
49 • No subject (by Eudoxus on 2007-02-20 18:50:59 GMT from Latvia)
I still think that it is till possible to be nice and polite and to say that some of the views expressed are lies. I am really sick of people getting angry about those OS in the internet sites. This is really a sad thing about which we should be patient
50 • Which works with wireless out of the box? Guess again! (by octathlon on 2007-02-20 19:13:49 GMT from United States)
One thing that didn't work right out of the box for me, on my Toshiba notebood preinstalled with WinXP, was the wireless! To this day I have to manually stop the wireless zero config service within a few minutes after starting it, or the connection is dropped, then rinse and repeat after each sleep, hibernate, or reboot. After searching the web and trying different things I still haven't resolved the problem.
In contrast, I've used the live CDs of Ubuntu, Mepis, Puppy, and others, and each of those worked out of the box with no problems. Yeah, I know it depends on which wireless card you happen to have, but don't you think it's ironic?
I still can't decide which distro I'm going to wind up installing on it. At this stage I'm leaning towards K/Ubuntu or PCLOS (waiting on final release)
51 • LINUX MINT IS OUT!! (by Frank on 2007-02-20 19:47:22 GMT from United States)
This is a great Distro!!!
52 • Back to Fedora ! (by Caraibes on 2007-02-20 19:54:58 GMT from Dominican Republic)
After 3 months running Mandriva 2007, I hesitated to install blag again, and went for the FC dvd... With the livna repos enabled straight from Anaconda, it's pretty much a great system... Now, just like Ubuntu and especially Mandriva, it required some hours of tweaking to get the "perfect setup"... But this is it, it all works well on my main machine.
One of the reasons I took the time to install and tweak FC6 instead of the easier Blag, is that I wanted to re-check the feeling of getting a FC system ready...
I can now comment that it will a "dream come true" when the CNR will be avalaible for FC, as all those tweaks will take much less time...
Anyway, I might be a bit off-topic, since it was last week's subject...
As of this week, I am happy to hear about CentOS 5, as it might be a great OS... Since RHEL 5 is supposed to be the result of FC5. I hope there will be a comprehensive guide on how to enable multimedia and other ugly plugins for CentOS 5...
As of the poster searching for 1 distro to replace WIndows for his customers, I understand, as I had the same idea, but so far, my only conclusion is : different distros for different hardware... For some hardware, Ubuntu might be better, for others, Fedora, for other something else...
But I set my next distro-test for Pardus, as it shall be interesting to try it...
53 • A Watch for Distrowatch (by Anonymous on 2007-02-20 20:34:52 GMT from Canada)
I have just read about Balmer's latest rant in NY against free software:
In a clear threat against open-source users, Ballmer repeated his earlier assertions that open source "is not free," referring to the possibility that Microsoft may sue Linux sellers... "I would not anticipate that we make a huge additional revenue stream from our Novell deal, but I do think it clearly establishes that open source is not free, and open source will have to respect the intellectual-property rights of others, just as any other competitor will," Ballmer said.
Balmer is using a circular argument if you ask me.
I would therefore like to suggest that Distrowatch include a Distro Watch, something like the Doomsday Clock that counts down to the planet's nuclear annihilation. The Distro Watch could show the countdown to Microsoft's self annihilation. Perhaps it could be calculated from the daily total hits on Distrowatch, so we focus less on counter-productive distro rivalry.
I would set the Watch at 11:55pm.
54 • Balmer (by octathlon on 2007-02-20 21:39:44 GMT from United States)
Isn't there some way to sue to force this goon to put up or shut up? Either present actual evidence for his claims of infringement or stop threatening to sue. How can there not be something illegal about using such intimidation to give one's company the advantage by threatening potential users of the competition. There must be *some* way to force the issue and settle it so everyone can move on, knowing where they stand legally. It's ridiculous.
55 • Re: 53, 54 (by Anonymous on 2007-02-21 02:37:41 GMT from United States)
Hey, maybe Microsoft will go the way of that other lawsuit-happy company. What was their name again? Oh yeah, SCO.
56 • the choice for everything in linux... (by Jean-yves on 2007-02-21 10:24:55 GMT from New Caledonia)
...will be the upcoming Mandriva Spring, i think :
3D desktop: the choice not to install or configure compiz, beryl or metisse via the mandriva control center
wireless : depends on the card as other distros..
more stability (same kernel base with security/bug updates than mandriva 2007)
many wizards but the config files still available : work can be done by hand in a console.
plug and play printer configuration
free edition : no proprietary drivers
new media: non-free available for everyone without charge (containing proprietary drivers)
A good new look , have a look at the pictures:
I think it will be worth to have a look at it...
57 • Elive treason and RE 48 (by Anonymous on 2007-02-21 10:27:44 GMT from France)
Frow this week DWW:
Elive has been released for testing. What's new?
"aMSN - version 0.96 with fonts anti-aliased; generating X.Org, bug fixed;
NTFS - after the lot of problems we have had with NTFS, including freezing at boot,
Elive has changed to the ntfs-3g driver; VFAT/FAT32 -
finally, Elive will give any users account permissions to write on a VFAT/FAT32 mount by default; installer Features -"
Shall this nice distribution be looked as a traitor because:
they support two "paria" file systems ?
they fairly acknowledge and correct bugs?.
Or should they be admired because :
they were ( one of) the first to show virtualisation with qemu on a life CD
they warn that their Cd is a test one (this are AFAIK interesting features)
RE 48 "(bla bla...) perhaps we need to give links to psychological websites rather
than Linux distro websites." Build a BrezhnevLinux...
"Others have inquired on this site about how to move to Linux, and have gotten good responses"
Which year/century? Who told the responses were good? (I do not fetch autists/circular arguments)
58 • Linux Mint 2.2 Bianca release (by Werewolf on 2007-02-21 11:08:12 GMT from Romania)
Linux Mint 2.2 Bianca release is out!!!!
A great Ubuntu distro !!! Why wasn't the release listed in the news page?
59 • Missing news about Linux Mint 2.2 FINAL (20.2.2007) !!! (by u on 2007-02-21 12:42:14 GMT from Poland)
Where is a news about Linux Mint 2.2 FINAL ? (release 20.2.2007 http://linuxmint.com/20070220.html)
60 • Theology or adoption??? (by Michael Kornblum on 2007-02-21 20:23:16 GMT from Mexico)
We're all familiar with the age old argument, of convienence vs freedom. I applaud the efforts of Stallman, the FSF and those with the conviction to only install GPL approved software on their machines. But by the same token, I have also seen linux distributions mature to such an extent, that they could quite conceivably overtake Window's stranglehold on the current os market.
It is regrettable that proprietary drivers are needed to close the gap between Windows and Linux, but until open source solutions reach full maturity, it is a neccessary evil for many of us who have chosen to jump ship from the Gates-Ballmer bandwagon. This is not due to a lack of wisdom, or foresight, but more out of a desire for freedom -- as well as a need for functionality.
Without such proprietary concessions, Linux's adoption base will plummet. The fact of the matter is people like using their brand new laptops with the 3d accelerated video cards, wifi and whatever new technology is en-vogue. Without a means (proprietary or otherwise) for John and Jane Q to play with their shiny new toys, the entire community will suffer from marginalization. This includes the Stallman Set, as well anyone who puts in their time and effort into an open source project.
Fortunately, we live in a community, that allows us to run whatever we want on our machines. A community that should be protected by those on both sides of the debate. So don't feel bad about using your proprietary nvidea cards, just keep your eyes peeled for an open source alternative, and actively support it.
61 • Linux Mint 2.2 (by Alex DeWolf on 2007-02-21 20:37:49 GMT from United States)
Linux Mint 2.2 final was released on 2/20/07:
62 • re 60 * 27 (by tom at 2007-02-21 22:45:15 GMT from United States)
Well said Michael Kornblum, I agree 100 % , THANK YOU for your thoughtful post :)
h3rman : You make it sound as if there is always an open source option available.
I support the open source community in a variety of ways including code, documentation, and time.
However, an open source option is not always available and thus many of us have to fall back on propitiatory drivers in particular.
This is all too often not even a matter of choice, it is either propitiatory or nothing.
As such, yes I know how to install and configure what I need, but I also appreciate when a distro saves me the time.
Also I disagree that this behavior is the source of all evil or short sighted, rather as the open source community grows I see having to resort to propitiatory drivers less and less. I think the problem will resolve itself as the open source community matures.
63 • sidux 2007-01 (by mikhail on 2007-02-21 23:43:31 GMT from United States)
sidux 2007-01 was released today. Release notes here: http://sidux.com/Article116.html
64 • Mint 2.2 (by Fractalguy on 2007-02-22 07:09:58 GMT from United States)
Well I'm posting from Mint, been playing in this liveCD for just over 5.5 hours. I tried several things and they went well: Used Synaptic to install more software like NVU and Lynx. First time I've used Lynx, read some Groklaw.net on it.
I listened to a bunch of music with Amarok, read pdf files, did a little Xchating, and edited a spread sheet in OOo. What more could one want? Change wallpaper? yup, did that too. And all in 1280x1024 screen resolution right out of the box with nVidia here. No problem reading and updating files on a USB thumb drive.
My only wish is that they would activate swap space which I have on a hard disk partition. If they did, one could run this as a live CD for weeks. Ubuntu does use swap automatically as do many other live CDs. Remember, one of my aims is to have a set of great demo CDs to share around. Mint is up there with elive, PCLinuxOS and Mepis (well, we'll see when those are final).
65 • Linux Mint (by Nick on 2007-02-22 09:02:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
Why is there no announcement of the latest Linux Mint Bianca?
66 • RE 39 and 64 (by dbrion on 2007-02-22 12:06:15 GMT from France)
manufacturers that work with Linux?"
The approach of testing their laptops with many linuxes can be overkind to manufacturers:
for example, the Sagem USB modem ended up with being ported to Linux: it took years of the developper's free (and unpayed for) time ,
as he had supra-minimalist support from Sagem (who made big Euros bucks with that). If you use a Kaella (a francised version of Knoppix), you will reward SAGEM and encourage such interesting practice from the constructors.
Perhaps Sagem changed their mind later : will they be rewarded as one who always supported GNU/linux? Will that be fair?
The idea "that works with Linux, then the constructor did a big job and was Linux friendly" seems naive _to me_ (in the case of the SAGEM malfaçon, it stole a USB plug from any PC, under any OS.
The big advantage of that monopolistic bug was that some French pple still kind of boycott the Web, and thus got less viruses..."
Such tests at the end cannot differentiate between the manufacturers work (you paid for) and the distrs work...
Post 41 : "Remember, one of my aims is to have a set of great demo CDs to share around.""
The idea to test them with Linux swap enabled is comfortable, but wo not be that conclusive
if you show nice live CDs on PCs which have only Windows....
ByTw : thanks for your trials, which taught me (or conforted me
in things I could not test).
67 • STARTING NOT TO LIKE DISTROWATCH!! (by Anonymous on 2007-02-22 15:29:49 GMT from United States)
I'm starting not to like Distro watch it tends to favor commercial Distros I wish ther was other than Distrowatch not so into for the $$$$
68 • An idea to make the adoption of linux more widespread. (by Michael Kornblum on 2007-02-22 16:22:25 GMT from Mexico)
Being a bit of a gaming geek, I have found myself in the position where I have to keep a windows partition on my machine, so I may enjoy some playtime every now and again. I've downloaded the linux binaries for Neverwinter Nights and Unreal Tournament -- both of which run flawlessly in a native Ubuntu environment, but there are still some titles where I have to reboot into XP in order to enjoy them.
I was wondering, has anyone considered petitioning some of the big ticket game developers to include binaries for their more popular releases? The way I see it, it'd be a win-win situation. Blizzard and the rest of them would find themselves an untapped market, the linux community would benifit a higher adoption base, and we wouldn't have to engage in extraordinary measures to play the games we know and love.
If there hasn't been such an initiative, how does one get started?
69 • RE#67 STARTING NOT TO LIKE DISTROWATCH!! ????? (by Werewolf on 2007-02-23 11:10:54 GMT from Romania)
Explain yourself !!!! Arguments!!! In what way quote "Distro watch it tends to favor commercial Distros"? I'm sorry but i can't understand you!!!
Give us some reasons/arguments why are the comercial distros treated better on Distrowatch.com than community based distros?
70 • RE68 Win/win game? (by dbrion on 2007-02-23 14:30:14 GMT from France)
"If there hasn't been such an initiative" There was at least one with Aurox Linux, a semi-commercial European distr. It has a low distrowatch ranking, if you believe in it (one can find binary Linux games CDs/DVDs in newspapers shops, in France -this breaks the low DW ranking?); they are Aurox based or financially linked).
It would be a rather funny initiative, : Free source (I hope some still exist) promoteurs asking/begging commercial games writers for binaries...
By the way (RE 67), I do not think sabayon, dyne:bolic, elive or saxenos are commercial Linuxes (at least 2 of them were recently reviewed or quoted with sympathy and skill). If they _sometimes_ ask for some money, it is likely to pay power supply bills or to have new hardware to test (and sometimes to test cards only *rich* games lovers use)...
71 • Red Hat Dev leaves for Ubuntu (by Tazix on 2007-02-23 15:25:30 GMT from United States)
Not the most reliable news outlet... but I found the reason for leaving rather interesting...
"Raymond says that the blunders have been legion on both technical and political levels. Fedora was becoming irrelevant because it had failed to get onto the desktop and include proprietary media formats, he said.
The way repositories were maintained, the submission process and "stagnant" development of Red Hat's packaging technology was also fairly shocking."
72 • Whoops (by Tazix on 2007-02-23 15:36:35 GMT from United States)
My bad... misread "Dev" for "Guru"... they guy isn't a Dev at all.
Disregard my # 71 post.
Nothing to see there.
73 • Mint (by welkiner on 2007-02-24 01:26:23 GMT from United States)
Linux Mint 2007-1, Bianca;
Downloaded and played with the livecd when it first hit the servers, yesterday or day before. The livecd found all my devices and set them up flawlessly. After being slightly confused by the slab style menu (which I think I will probably grow to like) I discovered that the "Add to Panel..." offers 3 choices of menu types (fantastic). I like the simple, one icon, drop down menu that gives me more or less a straight line to anything that I want to do, although the Bianca slab style menu does give a few more options. For now I have setup, and am using both, the slab for exploring and learning, and simple drop down when I'm in a hurry.
My only complaint about the livecd is that it provides no simple (graphical) way to mount existing hard drives. I understand why they do not want to mount them by default, but please put the icon there and give me the option to click and mount.
All removable media mounted automagically.
After a few hours of being thoroughly impressed with the livecd, I decided it was worth the investment of some valuable hard drive space. So, I clicked "Install".
The install was similar to any Ubuntu livecd install, but did seem a bit smoother and faster, and not similar to many Ubuntu livecd installs, it came off without a hitch.
The installed Bianca was as impressive or more impressive than the livecd. Network, network printer, mail, etc, etc...everything was pre-setup or I was able to set them up straight-forward with no problems the first time through.
I tried some earlier versions of Mint, which, though I liked the idea, failed to impress, and in my opinion did not deserve hard drive space on my computer, but this one is a keeper! Great Job! Thank you very much.
If I'm forced to find something to complain about it would probably be that the beautiful colors and design of the desktop background are a bit overwhelming and distracting to a conservative old geezer like me. ...but then you do give more background choices (available by default) than most distros. That being the worst I can find, I guess you can tell, I like it!
I have downloaded and planed to spend some time this weekend on the new Sidux...but I am going to have a hard time pulling myself away from Mint.
Bianca is beautiful!
Thanks to all involved,
74 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2007-02-24 16:06:57 GMT from France)
< Are you rich enough to buy HW without thinking???
Waiting for a little moment can be useful (you can read, program, take care of your garden, ...) and
what is a little moment in front of your life expectancy?
<Add clamav (as free antiviruses are not flawless, you should have as many of them). Perhaps, with as little web browsing as possible, will it be sufficient...
Use a Linux to clean your Windows portition (I cannot see how an ill system can cure itself).
<< Linux too will stay here I believe, but its such a "fragmented" world where "fragments" are distros and theres no single best distro.>>
If you are unhappy with a distro, you can note what is missing and try to add it. If you think they have found nice features ( for example VirtualBox with MCN and fully GPL'd qemu with SaxenOS) , you can add it :
-a)to your existing Linux, if you have.
-b) to your Windows: Normally, if it not highly redundant (I think of late 1990s CDE ??innovating??? clone, named XFCE), it has been Windows ported and you can be happier than with its Linux brother....
-c) to both : whatever the portition you boot, you'll find what you like...
Pls notice :
a) RE 48 : I do not treat pple I not fully agree as liers; Unless you prove an unconnected computer can get malware, what is the intellectual value of such point??.
b) I have been using both Linux and Windows since 2001/2002, and never saw a convincing superiority of a given OS upon another, (once Msys + Cygwin were installed on Windows, this is not Out of the Holy Box)....
75 • Cor 74 (by dbrion on 2007-02-24 16:12:29 GMT from France)
Subject was RE 18
76 • Zenwalk (by tom on 2007-02-25 19:00:39 GMT from United States)
Zenwalk 4.4.1 was released, a small fix to xorg :)
77 • Regarding comment 70 (by Michael Kornblum on 2007-02-25 22:22:35 GMT from Mexico)
"It would be a rather funny initiative, : Free source (I hope some still exist) promoteurs asking/begging commercial games writers for binaries..."
Granted, dbrion such an initiative would not benefit the free software community directly, but listen to my line of thought before tossing the baby with the bathwater...
Joe Six-Pack has bought a copy of (insert windows game title here) in addition to all the available expansions, user mods, etc. In short, he's a drooling fan-boy. But what makes this d.f. one step above his peers on the evolutionary food chain, is that he realizes that viruses, malware, pop-ups and other inconvienences which almost seem built into Windows do not come part in parcel with every operating system.
So, he looks into the possibly of jumping ship. tries to find an OS that plays his game of choice, but eventually resigns himself to the fact that he's stuck with a second rate operating system.
Meanwhile, numerous open source projects, which could have had a positive impact on Joe's life remains undiscovered, because we couldn't reel him in...when we had the chance.
You may not agree with me on this dbrion, but at least give my argument some small consideration.
78 • RE 70 "I gave your argument some consideration." (by dbrion on 2007-02-26 07:55:12 GMT from France)
It has been the politics of AuroxLinux since 3 yrs, as far as I remember. However, I do not not know whether their (limited??) success is linked with
their spreading Lx CDs/DVDs with commercial binaries in newspapers'shops,
or just with
their being in newspapers shops with some interesting articles.
The idea of "jumping ship " is too extreme : Windows, once unconnected, is safe and reliable (I agree that Linux is faster and that one can be happier with Windows with GNU ports). Having two boats seems more likely -one seldom plays and browse the web at the same time ?- (emulation , though slow, can be considered, too, at least for simple games). Except for net games, isolating Windows from the net has a positive aspect.
I mostly criticised the presentation of this idea as being original, and I doubt its efficiency (from a very limited sample : I know Aurox sends "journals + Cds" in (alph. order) France and Poland, perhaps elsewher it would be more conclusive???).
The fact that AuroxLinux keeps on existing means this idea is not dangerous...
79 • wine (by Anonymous on 2007-02-26 16:56:37 GMT from Germany)
there is no update of wine binaries for mandriva:( earlier there were faster updates for it.
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