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1 • Sabayon (by Soloact on 2006-10-16 11:38:37 GMT from United States)
Sabayon seems to work the first time on my various computers. It looks like I may have found a Distro to stay with.
Cheers! Great DWW!
2 • Strong argument (by Anonymous on 2006-10-16 11:47:43 GMT from Netherlands)
So if you have a bird, you need a 3D desktop!
3 • Mandriva powerpack (by Reiver on 2006-10-16 11:47:49 GMT from United Kingdom)
As much as things work "out of the box" with the powerpack (like flash), it comes with a price. Things woudn't be so rosy when using the free edition.
4 • Tracking? (by Jeff on 2006-10-16 11:55:58 GMT from United States)
So ... they are just grepping logs to see how many gets the image gets? I doubt that will give any real answers ....
5 • Sabayon boot time (by Ed on 2006-10-16 12:01:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
When I first installed Sabayon, I also found the boot speed rather slow. Having looked on the Sabayon Forum, I was able to speed it up by a lot. Over a minute! The slow boot speed is because it is set up as a Live CD and therefore does very thorough hardware detection. On an installed system you don't need this level of detection so can disable many things. Read the forums for ideas on how to speed it up.
6 • Sabayon on legacy PC (by KaruppuSwamy.T on 2006-10-16 12:20:07 GMT from United States)
I want to know the performance of Sabayon on legacy PC. I have PIII/192MB/i810 system. So obviously I don't want 3D desktop. Any experience/suggestion/comments?
7 • RE: Sabayon on legacy PC (by Ed on 2006-10-16 12:26:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
#6: I have installed Sabayon mini on a P166MMX@200MHz with 64Mb RAM before for a laugh. After a kernel recompile it's actually usable. It had to be installed using my main system to run the installer on as the installer needs quite a lot of RAM. You may not need to go that far but I strongly suggest you try running the live CD with Fluxbox as WM and then try the installer. A laptop with 240Mb RAM failed for me on the installation in KDE as it ran out of RAM part way through. That's pretty normal for a live CD installer.
8 • Tracking number of installations (by Dominik on 2006-10-16 12:30:48 GMT from United States)
Wow, Fedora are really quick about these ideas. Other distributions have been "following along" for quite a many years now, already:
http://popcon.debian.org/
9 • Fedora Tracking (by A-Wing on 2006-10-16 12:41:14 GMT from United Kingdom)
A tracking image will be quite inacurate for 2 reasons:
1. ISPs such as AOL use passive proxies so all AOL users will appear to come from only a handful of IPs.
2. Not much use on headless server installs (where I do most of my Linux work).
In my opinion it would be better to have a random unique install id randomly generated for the system which is sent when the user does a system update.
Again there are privicy issues with this but at least the count will be more accurate.
10 • glad about debian (by fukodlak on 2006-10-16 12:47:31 GMT from Croatia)
i was realy afraid for the future of debian but it's settled now. go etch go!
and tracking sistem from fedora??????????
looks like microsoft spirit is invading red hat.
hate the idea
11 • XGL/COMPIZ with OpenSUSE 10.1 (by Federico Kereki on 2006-10-16 12:57:32 GMT from Uruguay)
I tried it out in both my desktop machine (a 1 GHz PIII with 512Mb RAM and a NVIDIA graphics card) and my laptop (a 2.2 GHz Athlon XP with 512 Mb RAM and an ATI graphics card), and while the cube did work fine and the 3D effects were fine, I had serious performance problems with all screensavers, particularly the OpenGL ones, and with video playback. In the end, XGL/COMPIZ had to go... back to the standard KDE!
12 • Fonts in Sabayon & Mandriva (by Ariszló on 2006-10-16 13:08:25 GMT from Hungary)
Try and install DejaVue in Sabayon and it will be displayed much the same as Vera. Alternatively, change the menu font to Vera in Mandriva and it will be like DejaVue. The difference is in font rendering, not in the fonts themselves.
13 • pity about reiserfs (by Ken Yap on 2006-10-16 13:34:56 GMT from Australia)
I got many years of good use out of reiserfs3, it works well, but I can understand Novell going over to ext3. Technically reiserfs3 is a dead-end, being no longer developed and reiserfs4 hasn't reached the starting gate. The recent events surrounding the chief developer don't help.
I think it will be a non-event for most home users who upgrade by backing up personal files and reinstalling. The default they will be offered will be ext3 but reiserfs3 will still be an available choice. Corporate deployments of reiserfs3 will need more planning.
14 • Debian voting results (by pekka on 2006-10-16 13:36:19 GMT from Finland)
The results of the "general resolution" voting in Debian should be no surprise -- except maybe for a few journalists who thought that the loudest voices in the mailing list flame wars represent the opinion of the majority of Debian devs. These results show that things are fine in the Debian land and they also show that the silent majority of Debian developers, those who prefer to concentrate on coding, are well able to Do the Right Thing both ethically and technically.
There have been a lot of new Debian Etch RC bugs discovered lately but a lot of RC bugs have also been fixed. This promises that Etch will be another high quality release -- which is exactly what people expect from Debian. And there is still time to test Etch and report any bugs you can find. I've reported a few bugs and they were all fixed really quickly. :-)
Oh, and the "popularity-contest" tracking in Debian is entirely voluntary -- the package installation script asks if you want to participate or not. I wouldn't have it any other way because some years ago I decided to switch away from Windows XP precisely because I wanted to be able to control what kind of information my computer sends to the outside world.
15 • Fedora Core 6 intention (by karellen on 2006-10-16 13:50:37 GMT from Romania)
I don't see anything bad about this. I think it's a useful thing to know how many people out there uses your OS...Why bother to worry?
16 • because (by fukodlak on 2006-10-16 14:24:53 GMT from Croatia)
fedora is a red hat project and red hat is a big company, and if it becomes bigger it may (i sad may, not will) start acting like microsoft.
and it's not their OS. it's open source.
17 • 3D desktop computing with Mandriva (by Yves Van Belle on 2006-10-16 14:35:28 GMT from Belgium)
Thanks, for the Mandrake 2007 review, the 2 error i have where solved thanks to the errata page. I love my 3D, it is really cool and indeed I did become more productive.
And Reiver I use Mandriva Free, I installed Java, Flash and VMware Server and everythings works fine. I play WMV, AVI, MPEG, MP3, DVD thanks to Penguin Lebration Front.
I loved Mandrake 9.x, i hated Mandrake/Mandriva 10.x and now i seem to fall in love again with Mandriva.
18 • Re: glad about debian (by Moule on 2006-10-16 14:40:26 GMT from India)
Popcon is about popularity of packages and not a estimate about the number of actual users of a distribution. Do some basic fact checks before the sarcasm bits you back.
19 • Tracking (by Anonymous on 2006-10-16 14:53:37 GMT from Iran, Islamic Republic of)
I don't mind being tracked as long as the results are accurate. The world should finally see the real number of Linux users.
20 • Fedora is not going to use a hit counter image (by Rahul Sundaram on 2006-10-16 14:55:32 GMT from India)
Fedora Project is not going to use a hit counter image and instead will collect metrics from the anonymous package updates in the central mirror list
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2006-October/msg00037.html
21 • FC6 (by Petter AH on 2006-10-16 15:02:56 GMT from Norway)
First, let me apologize for my comment some weeks back, when I said I didn't like the new fc6 artwork, my bad.. I have now tested the fc6 pre release, and my conclusion, the new artwork/theme is GREAT. Its just so much better than the "bubbles" theme, thank you fedoraproject :) Thumbs up!
Next, the tracking... ah.. i don't know, maybe not such a bad idea, but wouldn't it be better to offer a link in the default Firefox launch page to a online survey, on the fedoraproject page, where ppl could list their systems, IF they want to?
-petterah-
22 • boot time, tracking (by Philipp on 2006-10-16 15:44:24 GMT from Germany)
Hmm I'm pretty sure the 64bit-system boots faster than the 32bit-system. That could be one reason, but well Mandriva does use pinit, which does processes parallel and Sabayon does have, as someone said before, much hardware-detection-tools in the default init...
Well and I don't want to be tracked... this time it is only the splash images, next time I will have to register anywere... No, I don't like it!!
23 • Sabayon boot time (by Anonymous on 2006-10-16 15:45:01 GMT from United States)
I have installed Sabayon mini on a K6-2 333mhz/256mb/32X CD with a troblesome sis chipset and a analog monitor. It actually worked after a 25min boot. But it did work.
It took about 15min to load on a Athlon XP 2200mhz with 512mb and 52X combo drive. Did not try a DVD on it though.
Next I'm going to try a K6-2 350mhz/256mb/5X DVD with a haupage TV card and a old ATi Rage card with TV out. We'll let you know.
24 • Fedora (by Jesse on 2006-10-16 16:08:40 GMT from Canada)
Personally, I don't mind Fedora using some subtle way to count
the number of users who install their distro. I would much
prefer they count users via yum or a default web page rather
than a survy built into the installer or a daemon which phones
home.
25 • Fedora Tracking Users (by Daniel Mejia on 2006-10-16 16:09:32 GMT from Canada)
I'm an Ubuntu User to start, but i dont dislike the idea of linux distros to incorporate some kind of traking tool to see how many ppl are using each distro, in fact i thing it is a good idea, as long as it does not compromise any personal information.
so far i know Ubuntu already has some sort of tracking tool which is the Ubuntu hwdb, and there is a web that counts the users that want to be count as a user of ubuntu or it variants.
anyway i think this feature would be good to the comunity, and it should be part of, or at least a question on the installer it self, so ppl installing a linux distro decide if the want to be count or not.
PS: sorry if there is any typo, or something confusing, but english is not strong point
26 • Need Mandriva 2007 (by linbetwin on 2006-10-16 16:15:22 GMT from Romania)
I decided to give MDV 2007 Free another try. Installation went fine, update mirrors work now, but I'm lost...
What's the name of the NVIDIA driver package and where do I get it? MDV says my system does not support 3D destop and I think I don't have the driver.
Where do I find some starter guide for MDV 2007?
27 • tracking (by David McCann on 2006-10-16 16:18:16 GMT from United Kingdom)
I really object to being tracked! And what will be gained? The data will be very inaccurate and no one really needs to know exactly how many users a given distro has. Fedora can tell whether usage is rising or falling by the level of traffic on the repository, and they can tell whether they are getting it right by the balance of bouquets and brickbats. That should be enough.
28 • Re: #26 (by linbetwin on 2006-10-16 16:23:02 GMT from Romania)
Post title correction : Need Mandriva 2007 help.
29 • k3b and dvd's (by Jim on 2006-10-16 16:26:38 GMT from Canada)
I also had problems with k3b on my AMD 64 when trying to burn a dvd iso. the "unable to anonymously mmap 33554432: Resource temporarily unavailable" error message kept coming up. It is a conflict with available memory and growisofs v6.0. Go here (http://fy.chalmers.se/%7Eappro/linux/DVD+RW/tools/) for a more detailed explanation. To fix it you need to execute "ulimit -l unlimited" as root prior to starting k3b (as root) to burn dvd's. Inconvenient, but it works.
I also love the 3D effects. The only annoyance, hopefully fixed soon, is the inability of dvd's to display correctly when playing in LinDVD on the 3D desktop. The colors do not map correctly. While there is a fix for the free video players, I have not found one for LinDVD.
30 • Fedora 6 (by Jordi on 2006-10-16 16:32:02 GMT from Spain)
I'm impatiently waiting for Fedora 6 to be released. And I don't mind "being counted" as long as they retrieve no personal information whithout my approval.
I've tried Mandriva 2007 LiveCD on some computers now, and worked every time except one with a 20 inch wide LCD (the ones with 1680x1050), which seems not to be supported (Ubuntu does).
Anyone knows a workaround to this?
31 • Fedora core user tracking (by luddite on 2006-10-16 17:31:28 GMT from United Kingdom)
This idea reminds of the behaviour of a well-known proporietary, closed-source operating system. I curently use fedora, but will think twice before installing a version of FC6/7 with tracking enabled.
Very disturbing development.
Time to try Slackware 11?
32 • SUSE Linux 10.1 "Remastered" (by Manuel Ruiz Aldomorro on 2006-10-16 18:21:47 GMT from Canada)
Great news! It only took OpenSuse 5 months to provide its users what Debian's would have got in a matter of hours. Great Distro! Stick with Novell and get stuck.
33 • MDV 2007 (by Warpengi on 2006-10-16 18:29:32 GMT from Canada)
Re #2 You need the 3D desktop if you have a bird and want to scare the shit out of it. Or at least that's my take on it.:-)
That said, many thanks Ladislav for the Mandriva review. I tried a 64 bit distro over 2 years ago but I did not want all the hassle of running a chroot so went back to 32 bit. At the time I anticipated about 1 year for a complete 64 bit on Linux. Not quite as fast as I had hoped and not a complete 64 bit but certainly good enough. I am so encouraged by your report on 64 bit that I will finally install MDV 2007 on my main desktop machine.
As for the 3D desktop, I will try it out but reports are that it slows down games and I don't want to sacrifice any frame rates in Quake IV. I hate having to compromise between frame rates and eye candy but my video card is just not fast enough to turn everything up to max. Maybe one day I will drop $500 on a video card but not this year.
34 • Sabayon 3.1 and Mandriva One 2007 (by Mike on 2006-10-16 19:07:36 GMT from United States)
Well, I really like Sabayon, However, I liked 3.0 better then 3.1. This distro uses the nvida beta drivers. I can't for the life of me, get the system to run at 75mhz refresh rate. I have edited the xorg.conf and nothing works. I am stuck with 55mhz.
Post on the forums have been of no value, as I am told to boot with live cd and force the resfresh=75mhz. But I installed and can't do that now.
Mandriva One 2007
This is the first distro to work out of the box on my laptop with interl 3945 wireless. Yes it works, Sabayon did not
35 • @ #33 (by Philipp on 2006-10-16 19:12:48 GMT from Germany)
With AIGLX the games won't slow down that much...
36 • Fedora Tracking (by Glenn Ewald on 2006-10-16 19:31:22 GMT from United States)
I am not against tracking users providing an accurate method is used. If what #9 post says is true, it wouldn't be very accurate. Better to not have any tracking at all than to have a bunch of "meaningless" numerical data.
37 • Fedora tracking (by James Bernard on 2006-10-16 19:55:52 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'm not against tracking, but I think it would be better for it to be volentary, like 'register as an offical user' and get an avatar with a number on it. Encourage the user to be proud of using the product, like Ubuntu and Mepis (just have a look at their forums). By putting in a tracking image someone might become paranoid (like MS users) and not use it. Learn from MS and make it friendly :-)
38 • Linux Tracking (by Thomas Taylor on 2006-10-16 20:15:51 GMT from United States)
I think just tracking the updates by ip address should give about as accurate as you need for number of active users.
39 • Fedora tracking (by DajomU on 2006-10-16 20:31:20 GMT from Norway)
I COULDN'T CARE LESS!
40 • your ISP tracks everything you send out (by Andrew on 2006-10-16 21:19:00 GMT from Canada)
everyone else is watching me I would rather it do some good, go ahead Red Hat, just don't push your luck
41 • Suse 10.1 Remastered (by Greg on 2006-10-16 21:20:33 GMT from Canada)
In my opinion, Suse 10.1 Remastered is overdue. In Suse 10.1, the updates didn't work. They should have released updated Suse 10.1 CDs and DVDs when they fixed it.
What made me drop Suse? Well, I installed it and tried some stuff out. Some things were broken. So I looked for the update program. I found a few of them. I couldn't get any to work. I chose to use something else that works.
42 • Fedora user tracking (by javatiger29 on 2006-10-16 21:24:12 GMT from United States)
If any user does not wish to be counted he or she could simply disable the network interface, open their default browser, and change the homepage after the install. If that is much work, they could simply switch to a new distro, BSD, OS X, or Windows. Don't you just love the power of choice.
43 • Tracking... (by compunix on 2006-10-16 21:29:45 GMT from Iran, Islamic Republic of)
Everything in USA is about tracking people in any way.I know tracking idea is something that change to spying in few months.They wants to know more about how can watch the cyber world...
44 • User Tracking (by Paul on 2006-10-16 23:06:24 GMT from United States)
Distrowatch tracks your browser branding and geographic origins of your IP. Ladislav then shares this information with the readership, and I find those results interesting. We get to draw our own conclusions, which may be different from his.
In my opinion, collecting statistics about Fedora installs isn't a bad idea. But doing it so Max Spec can have a brag count may be a poor reason. Ok, so he's got the "what". I think he needs a better "why".
45 • Try the 3D Kororaa AIGLXGL-0.3 Live CD, too (by gnobuddy on 2006-10-16 23:19:26 GMT from United States)
Kororaa is another interesting live-CD based on Gentoo Linux. The newest version of the Kororaa (installable) Live CD has AIGLX and XGL included, and a quick test this morning on one of the PC's at work was impressive - it booted straight into a 3D desktop, and seemed much stabler than the older version 0.2 Live CD.
Info and downloads from here: http://kororaa.org/
-Gnobuddy
46 • Fedora tracking (by Reiver on 2006-10-17 00:02:44 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'm all for tracking, and hope that will be useful. Those that have aired their reservations are perfectly entitled to do so, and yes I agree that consent should be required, and that it be clear in asking for that consent. Guys, Red Hat is backing a linux community and contributes to open source, it is not the big bad OS vendor many of you despise. This is simply a statistic, a simple one at that!
47 • Fedora Tracking (by tom on 2006-10-17 01:35:04 GMT from United States)
Although I find it disagreeable, tracking is a fact of life these days.
Open a web browser and you are immediately tracked by far worse then Fedora.
48 • Fedora Tracking (by KEv on 2006-10-17 01:54:20 GMT from Australia)
Holy sh1t - next thing ya know they will be reading our thoughs.
Go put your tinfoil hats on morons. Its not like they are obtaining any form of private data or anything. The data they do obtain should prove useful so how is it a concern? Are you THAT embarrassed about running Linux?
49 • tracking (by yo on 2006-10-17 02:01:53 GMT from Philippines)
7 • tracking (by David McCann on 2006-10-16 16:18:16 GMT from United Kingdom)
I really object to being tracked! And what will be gained? The data will be very inaccurate and no one really needs to know exactly how many users a given distro has. Fedora can tell whether usage is rising or falling by the level of traffic on the repository, and they can tell whether they are getting it right by the balance of bouquets and brickbats. That should be enough.
--- i totally agree
50 • fedora6 tracking (by ehab on 2006-10-17 02:21:17 GMT from Egypt)
do it please to get data needed to improve the next versions according to the
users needs that also affect the progress in next steps
i agree
51 • Tracking (by Ruddigger on 2006-10-17 02:49:51 GMT from United States)
Tracking is one of the things that I hate about Windows. I like being in control and knowing what information I'm transmitting and what are they collecting about me.
I like how Debian has a counter, but following Debian traditional is a package that you choose to install.
I certainly hope that it won't spread to other distros (specially Debian and Ubuntu)
52 • Fedora tracking (by Vance on 2006-10-17 06:50:36 GMT from United States)
Why bother? All they have to do is look at the Distrowatch hit ranking. :-)
53 • ... (by truth on 2006-10-17 06:58:26 GMT from Spain)
To #51 ... my friend, you don't know a shit about what kind of information you're transmitting or what kind of information they're collecting about you.
Do you use an sniffer in order to check it?, do you have rules that show how many traffic are you transmitting?, do you establish any kind of metrics in order to messure it?, do you know anything of this subject?.
At least Fedora is being honest. So, STFU.
54 • Re: Try the 3D Kororaa AIGLXGL-0.3 Live CD, too (by Ariszló on 2006-10-17 08:06:43 GMT from Hungary)
Quoting from http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=livecd
"The Kororaa AIGLXgl Live CD 0.3 does NOT include the ATI or NVIDIA non-GPL video card drivers, so 3D effects will not be available on machines that require those drivers. The livecd can still be used without the 3D effects however, and installation to disk is also available."
55 • Use firefox and adblock plus to kill trackers (by hobbitland on 2006-10-17 08:41:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hi, I block all trackers using firefox and adblock plus. This is the
main reason I like about Firefox.
Block "*.sitemeter.com/*" and things google analytic plus adverts of
course. Speeds up browsing as well.
So how are these sites counting visiters properly?
56 • Fedora tracking image (by Dimitri on 2006-10-17 11:55:17 GMT from United States)
Firstly, I am a champion of personal privacy. However, I also understand the wish to track how many people use any particular Linux (or any "alternate" operating system or FOSS, for that matter). I think it should be a matter of personal choice as to whether one wants usage information "phoned home". I would have no problem, for instance, with an applet opening after so many starts-up asking if it can send usage information back to the developers. It should describe exactly what information will be sent. Then, whether one accpets or declines the invitation, that's the last time the applet will open.
Just a thought.
Dimitri
57 • fedora tracking (by hughesjr on 2006-10-17 12:14:12 GMT from United States)
Some have mentioned ... why not just use your update repository stats ....
Note to them :)
Fedora has many public (ie, non-fedora) mirrors that provide updates ... so they can not look at those stats. CentOS has exactly the same problem.
We at centos have had more than 1 million yum and up2date updates against our mirror.centos.org mirrors ... but our update system (which uses the mirrorlist feature of yum) is designed by default to use geographically based PUBLIC (ie, non-centos) mirrors if there are any available for the user and to only use centos.org mirrors if there are not already 10 PUBLIC mirrors that are close to the user.
So ... centos (and fedora) have no real way to measure total user base doing upgrades.
People are always asking us ... How many people use CentOS?
As Max said ... saying "Well, I'm not sure exactly" is not good.
In the case of CentOS, we can say that based on just CentOS mirrors we had 1 million IPs ... and based on average traffic from some of our mirrors we provide about 30% of the update traffic ... so maybe there are 3x a million or 3 million ... but how accurate is that estimate?
I can see why fedora needs to track how many and from where their users are.
Not sure I would put a tracker in the default webpage though
58 • @ fukodlak (by hughesjr on 2006-10-17 12:19:54 GMT from United States)
It is certainly their OS ...
being open souce does not change the ownership of a program or a distro ...
They own their distro, they give you a license to use it, to use it's source and to dsitribute it based on copyright and tardemark law.
The distro still belongs to them ... and to use it, you still need to abide by their rules
59 • Distro users count (by vdb on 2006-10-17 12:24:46 GMT from Italy)
I don't personally think that wanting to count how many users a distro has is a bad thing.
I also do not think that setting a tracking image as starting page for the browser is a bad idea either; providing it can be easily removed after the very first logon/browsing session.
It wouldn't cost much to all users and could provide useful information for the producer.
Of course, if the method gets more "invasive", it would have to be strongly discouraged.
VDB
60 • Re #56 Fedora tracking image (by dg on 2006-10-17 13:17:33 GMT from Netherlands)
> Then, whether one accpets or declines the invitation, that's the last time the applet will open.
For more accurate stats, you would need to resend on a regular basis (monthly?) so you can tell the difference between initial installation rush and continued usage. But in any case, needs to be a voluntary choice.
61 • amd64 version (by massysett on 2006-10-17 13:33:35 GMT from United States)
Thanks Ladislav for the update on amd64 versions of distros. I use Gentoo and just ordered my first amd64 system. I was going to run the x86 version to avoid any hassles, but after reading your newsletter and seeing some benchmarks I was surprised to learn that amd64 is often significantly faster than x86. The only thing holding me to x86 (other than fear of random hassles) was Flash support, but it looks easy enough to just run the 32 bit Firefox version and use that. I'll be trying the amd64 version of Gentoo.
62 • Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 Announced - Will run on Sony PS3, Apple PPC Macs, more! (by Deacon Nikolai Stanosheck on 2006-10-17 15:14:21 GMT from United States)
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/delivery.shtml
When will YDL v5.0 Ship?
YDL v5.0 is slated for release mid-November with support for the Sony PS3 first, and support for the former Apple PowerPC product line to follow. Any updates required to support the Apple PowerPC systems following the release for PS3 will be made available via a free download.
What levels of support are available?
With YDL v5.0, Terra Soft will transition from its database driven help desk to a dedicated YDL.net mailing list. This Enhanced service will be available for one year from the date of purchase to those individuals who purchase Installation Support.
Terra Soft provides hourly technical support to those who desire assistance with device driver porting, application development, or cluster design and configuration. How will v5.0 be made available?
Terra Soft will maintain its tradition of a 3-phase product roll-out, starting with delivery via a completely redesigned and rebuilt YDL.net suite of services. Two weeks later, the Terra Soft on-line Store will offer the Install and Source DVDs in a DVD case with printed Guide to Installation, YDL stickers, and the famous YDL Flexible Fliers. Two weeks thereafter, the images will be migrated to the public mirrors.
Which systems will be supported?
Terra Soft will initially launch YDL v5.0 with support for the Sony PS3. By the close of 2006, support for the former Apple PowerPC product line will be made available, with intent to provide both DVD and CD install images via YDL.net Enhanced and the public mirrors. The shipping product will be available as DVD only.
Also see:
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/news/2006/2006-10-17.shtml
http://www.hpcwire.com/hpc/967146.html
63 • Fedora Core tracking (by Ian MacGregor on 2006-10-17 16:18:23 GMT from United States)
My opinion is, who cares how many are using Fedora? I don't want anything in my distro to "phone home".. this is the exact reason I left Windows and if this "tracking" isn't removed from Fedora, I'll move to another distro - and I am certainly not the only one who feels this way. So, your attempt to track how many users are using Fedora will likely cause you to lose users.
64 • fedora tracker (by Janet on 2006-10-17 16:23:40 GMT from United States)
One of the first things I do when installing a new Linux is move my .mozilla folder into my home folder, so I never end up seeing the default web pages the first time I launch firefox anyway. There has to be another way to track users.
65 • DeLi ISO is unavailable yet? (by AV1611 on 2006-10-17 16:55:49 GMT from Ukraine)
Did anybody manage to download the latest DeLI 7.1 ISO? I can't even start the downloading process....It was the same story with the recent one 7.0....
66 • Mandriva (by Johannes Eva on 2006-10-17 17:38:12 GMT from Spain)
Just tried the new mandriva and Vista RC2 - the first time that i see some real advantages for Linux vs windows - i'm desesperately waiting for the day i will be able to switch for 100% linux.
67 • Mandriva and (virtual)old PC cf #6 (by dbrion on 2006-10-17 18:11:00 GMT from France)
Thanks to DW link to _sparse_ errata, I tried an installation of Mndv2007 under a PC simulator, where memory was bounded to 228 M (it is not that far from # 6 193M, unless some of his legacy PC memory is shared with a graphical card; the difference lies in my need to be sure are the trials I thought of would be done) , the virtual disk was a 4GB (on an external saturated NTFS disk, with a USB 1 link..; the simulating PC is 4 years old).
The virtual graphic devices are supplied by the simulator, to test one point after the other.
Installation was as easy as usual, I had to add rpmdrake(that is not that beginners friendly....), sources of readline (what is FOSS without source?), g95(a Fortran compiler) and R(a >#40000 lines statistical package, of excellent quality but somtimes memory greedy).
Compilation and tests were not indecently long, and Konqueror seemed to have acceptable response times.
However, I do not think games or more sophisticated WM than kde would work very smoothly...
A commercial version could be very interesting in due time.
68 • please correct this (by Anonymous on 2006-10-17 18:52:34 GMT from Germany)
The "download"-link from DELI on the main page goes to TRIBOX.
69 • Kororaa Live-CD DOES come up in 3D on my PC (by Gnobuddy on 2006-10-17 19:12:44 GMT from United States)
"The Kororaa AIGLXgl Live CD 0.3 does NOT include the ATI or NVIDIA non-GPL video card drivers, so 3D effects will not be available on machines that require those drivers. The livecd can still be used without the 3D effects however, and installation to disk is also available."
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Indeed. However, I popped the Kororaa live-Cd into one of the PC's at work, and it did indeed come up with a fully 3D-enabled desktop, complete with jello-wiggle windows and menus and all.
Not sure what video chipset is in those PC's, clearly not Nvidia.Hold on, I just rebooted one of the PC's with Kororaa, and KInfoCentre says that the video card is "Intel Corporation 82915TG/GV/910 GL Express Chipset Family".
-Gnobuddy
70 • #69 (by jan on 2006-10-17 19:50:52 GMT from Canada)
Did a google on Intel Corporation 82915TG/GV/910 GL Express Chipset Family.
Nada.
Any more info available?
thanks
71 • #70 (by Akuna on 2006-10-17 20:31:46 GMT from France)
Google gave me this...
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/...
Does that help? ;-)
72 • RE: 29 k3b and dvd's (by ladislav on 2006-10-18 01:25:38 GMT from Taiwan)
Thank you very much for your info. I've just tried your solution and it does indeed work :-)
73 • RE: 65 (by johncoom on 2006-10-18 02:27:55 GMT from Australia)
Mirror 1 was down and only mirror 2 worked
The real site may be better (and not the re-direction site)
Go here http://delili.lens.hl-users.com
It is also on the LinuxTracker = http://linuxtracker.org/browse.php?cat=111
Also PLEASE NOTE
It states in the: What is DeLi Linux ? on above site
QUOTE
a Linux Distribution for old computers, from 486 to Pentium MMX 166 or so.
END QUOTE
and NOT 386 to Pentium 1 - as reported in the "release announcement" and subsequently copied by Distrowatch :-0
74 • VideoLinux (by werner, Cayenne on 2006-10-18 04:01:21 GMT from France)
What Im using now too, instead of Mdk, is VideoLinux, derivated from it. This is nice, downloads via synaptic more progs, works good, also with the g77/g95 and the algol60 compiler.
However they could put in that it works as server too, and makes 3d with my radeon 800 video card.
75 • Error regarding Reiser namespaces (by Benjamin Vander Jagt on 2006-10-18 06:03:33 GMT from United States)
Hi. A few people have called me to tell me that Ext3 will be the new default for OpenSUSE, but the articles I've read all refer to the Enterprise version.
Also, by the way, Ext4 is projected to perform more slowly than Ext3, sporting just a few simple advancements for certain very large data structures. If Reiser4 were to be abandoned, which I don't see why it would, I think it's more likely that XFS will become the default filesystem for OpenSUSE, especially if they add support for shrinking volumes.
76 • Debian (by Fred on 2006-10-18 11:03:24 GMT from United Kingdom)
Great news for Debian, I can't wait for etch to be released.
As for Suse, they should have released a remastered version as soon as the updater was fixed. Now it looks more like they're having a laugh.
77 • Icedove in Debian (by Ariszló on 2006-10-18 20:52:36 GMT from Hungary)
Thunderbird is renamed Icedove in Debian Sid:
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/icedove
78 • @Mandriva (by Johannes Eva) (by Gnobuddy on 2006-10-18 22:17:10 GMT from United States)
(by Johannes Eva on 2006-10-17 17:38:12 GMT from Spain)
Just tried the new mandriva and Vista RC2 - the first time that i see some real advantages for Linux vs windows - i'm desesperately waiting for the day i will be able to switch for 100% linux.
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Out of curiosity, what is keeping you from making the switch to Linux?
Not looking to start any flamewars, just interested in what is holding interested folks back from switching.
-Gnobuddy
79 • Counting Linux users (by Robert Pogson on 2006-10-19 02:30:33 GMT from Canada)
Technically, the browser-start page fails because the system may be off-line when started and the user can change the page, and many users are behind routing which reflects a single IP address via NAT or whatever. To work, the "phoning home" approach would need something deeper, like a heartbeat in the Linux kernel pinging home every month or so with a public-key encrypted packet generated for each download/installation. Probably, the installer would have to generate the message, in a manner similar to gpg or openssh.
Politically, this is dangerous in two ways. It smacks of tactics from the dark side, and it might really rile the tiger to know who is sneaking up on whom. It would be great to have some real numbers, though. Perhaps if "home" were some open institution posting a website with the information and if uniqueness and indecipherability could be proven, this could work. I know there are sites that prove Linux is stuck at a small percentage of browser platforms but my reality does not reflect that. Two years ago, I was in a school where no one had even heard of Linux but 30 or so experienced it. Last year, I was in a school where a few had actually tried it, a hundred used it in class, and a few more converted. This year I have 500 Linux user accounts in my school.
Linux is happening as it will. I think it might happen faster as people catch the wave and counting might encourage them.
80 • Tracking = Bring on those stats. (by Clint Brothers on 2006-10-19 05:31:50 GMT from United States)
I LOVE the idea! Track me all you want, as long as it doesn't slow my system down, leave me vernurable or hurt me financially. I love those stats that are used here on distrowatch.
81 • NO, NO, Not Tracking In Linux Too! (by DJ on 2006-10-19 07:29:03 GMT from United States)
Oh please no tracking in Linux too. As soon as that starts up I'm totally wrighting off that distro and if it ever become commonplace I'll learn to scratch-build my own.
Grrrr.
82 • ISP has all the information you could ever need (by Andrew on 2006-10-19 12:02:07 GMT from Canada)
your isp knows everything about you
83 • Hebrew fonts (by Stephen Wells on 2006-10-19 14:44:32 GMT from United Kingdom)
This may be a very naive question, but why has Distrowatch suddenly started using a hebrew font for some of its menus? I don't think the problem is with my PC because no other Web page (apart from the ones in Hebrew, of course) shows the same.
84 • Re: Hebrew fonts (by Ariszló on 2006-10-20 06:05:00 GMT from Hungary)
You must have set the character coding to Hebrew when visiting some Hebrew pages and it has stuck. Since then your browser has been displaying all non-English letters as Hebrew. DistroWatch is an international web site and it does have some non-English letters. The other non-problematic pages you are visiting are likely to be English-only. Try and change the character coding to UTF-8 in View : Character Coding.
85 • 26 • re : Need Mandriva 2007 + informations about 3D desktops (by FACORAT Fabrice on 2006-10-20 12:13:14 GMT from France)
To #26> To install the nvidia drivers you need to add plf-free and plf-nonfree media.
Instruction are vailable at http://easyurpmi.zarb.org
docs are available on the CD, or here : http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/view/KB/?interfacelanguage=en
To install nvidia drivers you need to :
1. install kernel-source packages corresponding to your kernel version ( normally 2.6.17-5mdv )
urpmi kernel-source-stripped-2.6.17.5mdv dkms
2. One plf-nonfree and plf-free media are added, just launch the graphical tools configuration ( media ) and it will download the nvidia drivers and compil them, at next reboot you should see the nvidia logo meaning the drivers are installed
Concerning compiz/kde desktop issue it's because compiz use Viewports ( extended desktop ) whereas KDE use virtual desktop. So KDE pager need to be updated ( and others places in kde ) for compiz support. see http://commit-digest.org/issues/2006-09-24/
a package is available in cooker ( and soon in 2007 testing ) with compiz support in a pager (x86_64 version ) : ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrivalinux/devel/cooker/x86_64/media/contrib/release/kicker-compiz-0.2-1mdv2007.0.x86_64.rpm
Beryl is available in 2007 contrib under the old name of compiz-quinnstorm.
86 • Lunar X11R7.1 update (by Webtag on 2006-10-22 09:50:19 GMT from Finland)
Lunar Linux has updated their Xorg to 7.1 several days ago (Tuesday, 17 October 2006) but the DistroWatch Lunar Linux page still shows that moonbase has only Xorg 6.8.2. What gives?
87 • RE: 86 Lunar X11R7.1 update (by ladislav on 2006-10-22 10:10:18 GMT from Taiwan)
It looks like they haven't updated the script that generates Lunar's data for DistroWatch:
http://www.lunar-linux.org/lunar/distrowatch.txt
As I write this the file still shows xorg at 6.8.2.
88 • RE: 87 (by Webtag on 2006-10-23 08:54:39 GMT from )
Oh, this seems to be my mistake entirely. The script is OK and the DistroWatch data is correct.
I just noticed that moonbase has a separate category for xorg7, which probably means that Lunar Linux just makes Xorg 7.1 available for those who want to try it but Xorg 6.8.2 still seems to be the default version. They've got a somewhat similar strategy with GCC -- there's a special module gcc4 that installs GCC version 4.1.1 (which can be made the default C compiler in the Lunar options menu) while the default gcc module still installs GCC version 3.4.6.
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