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1 • FC6 & Mandriva 2007 (by jokinin on 2006-09-04 12:06:33 GMT from Spain)
Waiting for Fedora Core 6 to install it on my main computer. I hope it won't crash while installing it with a Sound Blaster X-Fi , as Core 5 does.
I'd like to test Mandriva 2007, but i guess that, as i am not club member, i'll have to wait one or two months to download the free ISO image.
2 • Broken link (by Boris on 2006-09-04 12:12:01 GMT from Russian Federation)
The link to the "open letter" by Charles Hannum, regarding NetBSD, beings instead to the download page of "Reconstructor".
Best regards
3 • Glad to see the donation to Puppy ! (by Caraibes on 2006-09-04 12:12:10 GMT from Dominican Republic)
Good move, Ladislav !
Barry deserves the donation, as he has been performing an outstanding job with the Puppy Linux Project.
I have Puppy permanently installed in my USB pendrive, and feel it is a fundamental distro.
Apart from that, it was a happy reading... I am waiting to test-drive Mandriva 2007 whenever it is released to those of us who use the Free/Download edition... So if MDV 20007 is out on sept.15, it might be early october, I guess....
4 • Hi hi hi (by Harm on 2006-09-04 12:13:34 GMT from Netherlands)
The Paris Hilton gag is really hilarious!
5 • CNR (by Lakkilinux on 2006-09-04 12:23:27 GMT from Pakistan)
Hello Ladislav Bodnar,
Nice Distroweekly as ever, just want to clear about CNR basic, is it free for both freespire and linspire or just freespire?
thanks
regards,
lakkilinux
6 • Paris (by rhipwell on 2006-09-04 12:24:26 GMT from Canada)
Thanks for the laugh, Tinkerbell Linux haha
7 • aaaah ha! (by srlinuxx on 2006-09-04 12:26:39 GMT from United States)
" the first press release announcing the start of a new desktop for UNIX called "Kool Desktop Environment""
All these years since I've been using Linux, they kept saying KDE didn't stand for anything or it stood for KDE Desktop Environment. /Now/ we know! Pretty cool too. :D
And while I'm commenting on news, "Kevin Carmony... [argued] that "for every basic CNR subscriber we have, we get 3 Gold subscribers. The added benefits of support, discounts on the commercial products, etc., will continue to be a strong motivation for many of you to subscribe to this premium service."
I think it will too. Freespire is a respectable and attractive alternative to windows. The PR value of this move is immeasurable. As a self-proclaimed (but not proven) veteran, their stock went up in my book when they did this and if I was a newbie, I'm certain I'd give Freespire/Linspire long consideration.
I'm not commenting on the Paris Hilton thing, ... you geek guys... I swear. :D
8 • Sluts and Suits (by Lobster on 2006-09-04 12:43:16 GMT from United Kingdom)
Good to hear about Puppy and Paris.
Very sad to hear about NetBSD. We need more Linux sluts and fewer Linux suits.
I am not surprised Distrowatch is rated highly, it is consistent and highly regarded and loved by its regulars.
I am at this moment creating 0.8 of my distribution based on Puppy using the unleashed system. The release version will not be available until 2008. I will place a link explaining the creation process here as soon as it is ready http://tmxxine.com/tmx/ (next few days - stay sober)
9 • Tinkerbell (by The WebDruid on 2006-09-04 12:50:02 GMT from Australia)
Tinkerbell eh. I must admit that I believed it at first, but I changed my mind after I saw "Slutware", and then the 404 error that the page on parishilton.com returned.
And as for Freespire, "Not happy, Jan!"
10 • congratulations Barry (by Ken Yap on 2006-09-04 13:29:19 GMT from Australia)
Puppy Linux is one outstanding distro because unlike many also-rans, it features innovative ideas like that of writing the session back onto a multi-session CD or DVD. I only wish my regular distro could boot up as fast as Puppy. Not so much for the tower machine, which is on all the time, but for the notebook. Good onya mate.
ROTFL over Tinkerbell. Reminded me of that spoof news I once read, which I can't find anymore, that showed on a graph how with the addition of Johnny's Little Linux, the number of distros finally exceeded the number of users.
11 • CNR (by Kevin Carmony on 2006-09-04 13:40:16 GMT from United States)
lakkilinux,
The CNR Service is now free for BOTH Linspire and Freespire users.
Kevin Carmony
CEO, Linspire, Inc.
12 • distrowatch (by starikarp on 2006-09-04 13:52:58 GMT from United States)
Each SuSE alpha or whatever version is the same minute on the distrowatch. I didn't read nothing about Frugalware RC2.
13 • Mandriva, free, open, transparent, available (by agendelman on 2006-09-04 14:05:20 GMT from United States)
Jokinin
The current beta 3 release of Mandriva 2007 is available to everyone as a free download onh the cooker mirrors
http://qa.mandriva.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerMirrors
The final release will be available to club members first, but a few weeks later, free isos will be available to the public. You can always get the current release here ( again, free)
http://www.mandriva.com/en/download/free
Club members continue to squash bugs and participate in qa befor the final release to the public. You can install the beta now and continue to update to the final release now as it develops. Again, free. You can do a network install of the final release the minute it is available, and before the isos are available to the public. Again free.
The misconception that you have to be a club member to get, use, and enjoy Mandriva is just that, a misconception.
14 • Re: 13 Free Mandriva... (by Caraibes on 2006-09-04 14:23:20 GMT from Dominican Republic)
Hey, Agendelman,
I know you are right ! My "Media Box" happily runs MDV 2006 Free (Gnome-only ;) ), totally tweaked with every codecs on earth...
It is up to date, the only distro that let me watch TV with that damn Lifeview Flyvideo 2000 PCI TV-card, thanks to their Mandriva Control Center... (to be fair, PCLOS does it too, but it's based upon MDV, so the control center is MDV's )
And that is also a call to Kevin Carmony, of Freespire, to include some sort of TV-card configuration wizard, that will work as well as the mandriva one. Since both distros were originally newbie-orientated.
15 • Frugalware... (by Kensai on 2006-09-04 14:25:14 GMT from Puerto Rico)
It's time to give it another try, I used frugalware back in the days when 0.1 was available and even helped mantaining some GNOME packages. BUt I haven't look back since then since I am more of a Arch Linux and Gentoo Linux user. But it might change now to a Frugalware and Gentoo Linux user. Arch Linux is decreasing in quality as of packages they don't have much variety and is boring, AUR has outdated packages most of the time, And look at pacman it is a freaking old version of pacman Frugalware has taken pacman to the next level at version 3 with much more improvements.
So I'll make a frugalware netinstall. ;-)
16 • No subject (by ubuntu guy on 2006-09-04 14:48:24 GMT from United States)
wow i will have to try out reconstructor, i was looking into that stuff earlier but seemed to hard for my time, i guess then i can make my own backup install cd with my nvida drivers included i hope...
17 • Slackware 11.0 (by Rob on 2006-09-04 14:49:08 GMT from United Kingdom)
Wow, after about a year, Slackware 11.0 looks as though it will finally be released this week - too bad most of the Linux community doesn't care about this monumental release of 'just another distribution'. :(
18 • Slackware (by Johannes Eva on 2006-09-04 15:05:33 GMT from France)
To Rob (Nr. 17): Thank you for saying it! I was thinking the same.
Hey people: Slackware 11 is coming!!!
19 • NetBSD situation (by Dima on 2006-09-04 15:09:55 GMT from Israel)
I bet a guy named Theo is not very upset because of this. :) It will be interesting to see what he has to say on the matter.
20 • Distro suggestion (by bill johnson on 2006-09-04 15:11:48 GMT from United States)
We need a exhilarating distro from RAMMSTEIN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ql-zpqvoKs
Awesome!
21 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-09-04 15:40:34 GMT from Iran, Islamic Republic of)
Paris hilton has insulted us!
22 • next donation (by Anonymous on 2006-09-04 15:42:20 GMT from Hungary)
Good to see PuppyLinux got the DW donation.
Suggestion for next month's donation: Knoppix.
23 • puppy (by klhrevolutionist on 2006-09-04 15:57:54 GMT from United States)
Good to see that puppy is noticed. slutware......
24 • DW weekly (by Gert on 2006-09-04 16:36:38 GMT from Belgium)
Hi, DW Weekly is amzingly interesting. I was just wondering why is it not possible to subscribe to Weekly by e-mail?
That would be great. I forget to check often and mis always a few issues that way...
Thanx and keep it up !
25 • RE: 12 distrowatch (by ladislav on 2006-09-04 16:48:49 GMT from Slovakia)
I didn't read nothing about Frugalware RC2.
It's right there on the front page, just scroll down a bit. Alternatively, click here: http://distrowatch.com/3671
26 • CDDL has extra restrictions, which the GPL does not allow. (by Distrowatch reader on 2006-09-04 17:03:22 GMT from United States)
CDDL was intentionally modelled on the MPL in order to make it GPL-incompatible
Steal from GNU then donate the stolen code to SUN For example GNU/Solaris
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00002.html
One current and one former Sun employee visited the annual Debian conference in Mexico in 2006. Danese Cooper clearly stated there that the CDDL was intentionally modelled on the MPL in order to make it GPL-incompatible. For everyone who wants to hear this first-hand, we have video from that talk available at [2].
You can read the FSF position about the CDDL at [3]. The thread behind [4] contains statements on the issue made by Debian people; for more context also see the other mails in that thread. In short - the CDDL has extra restrictions, which the GPL does not allow.
27 • Slackware 11 (by Misty on 2006-09-04 17:21:19 GMT from United States)
Screw the community if they don't care. I like Debian best, that's just my personal preference, but Slack is a great distro too. One of *the* greats. I'm glad to hear a new version is coming out soon.
28 • thinkerbell linux (by Distro_Who on 2006-09-04 17:27:07 GMT from Puerto Rico)
is fool's day somewhere or this a proof of resurrection of a dead distro is possible?. anyway, good luck for the phantom distro.
29 • Useful post om the CDDL (by NK on 2006-09-04 17:44:45 GMT from United States)
But it would help if it was mentioned that this was the reason behind the fork of cdrtools, as new versions of the cdrtools contains code put under the CDDL. Also, a little backstory of why some of cdrtools was put under the CDDL would help also.
30 • CDRTools (by NK on 2006-09-04 18:43:44 GMT from United States)
For the whys and why nots, see the thread at slashdot.
31 • Furgalware #15 (by tom on 2006-09-04 18:53:32 GMT from United States)
I tried Frugalware in the past and had some trouble. I use Arch now and am watching Frugalware.
I tried one of the RC a while back and could not install the base either via CD or network install.
I am waiting on the distribution release, but if you would update us (me) on your experience that would be nice.
32 • Not only is it free... (by benplaut on 2006-09-04 19:23:58 GMT from United States)
Click N Run is also (or will be soon) open source!
much bigger news, in my opinion!
33 • 30 (by AC on 2006-09-04 19:29:51 GMT from United States)
We've needed a fork for some time. It will be nice for people to be able to study documentation for CD burning without having to read Schiilling's asinine comments.
34 • tsck! tsck! (by srlinuxx on 2006-09-04 19:38:38 GMT from United States)
"Several readers have emailed us to let us know that Linspire has launched what can only be classified as an attempt to tamper with our page hit ranking statistics by trying to artificially inflate the page hit ranking figures for its new community distribution - Freespire."
Well, I take it back. Their stock just went down again. tsck tsck! Shame on them.
35 • RE: # 17 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-09-04 19:56:20 GMT from Italy)
Rob
Slackware is now one of the most geek distros out there.
Much more so than Gentoo, at least with Gentoo you can "emerge" almost everything under the sun.
Every attempt to create a popular Slackware derivative has failed, possibly with the exception of Vector, which remains mainly a distro for older hardware.
I know a developer (a well known one) who moved from Slack to CentOS.
36 • 25 • RE: 12 distrowatch (by ladislav on 2006-09-04 16:48:49 GMT from Slovakia) (by starikarp on 2006-09-04 20:16:58 GMT from United States)
Frugalware Linux
Last Update: Thursday 17 August 2006 00:07 GMT
37 • No subject (by warpengi on 2006-09-04 20:17:24 GMT from Canada)
I think the click N run news is a big deal. This means the users of freespire will get a fully functional Gnu/Linux OS. However, I won't be using freespire as long as the default setup includes users with root privileges. Even MS Vista EvilOS (tm) will include default users with restricted permissions. I think the user as root default is too entreched at Linspire to change though.
An open-source click N run might be a good thing. Distros may find it a good front end for non-technical users to access their repositories. Here's hoping. The bar will never be too low for the non-technical user.:-)
38 • Freespire Uses SUDO (by JaceMan on 2006-09-04 21:29:35 GMT from United States)
warpengi,
Freespire does not run as root like Linspire. A user must take advantage of the sudo command, like with Ubuntu, in Freespire for most tasks.
Just thought you should know.
- Jace
39 • Waiting List (by Ariszló on 2006-09-04 21:43:22 GMT from Hungary)
Boreas Linux is submitted twice: first as Boreas Linux then as Boreas GNU/Linux. The websites of these distributions are either for sale or not found: J-Nix, Wikix, Shift Linux.
40 • No one's interested in upstart? (by UZ64 on 2006-09-04 22:49:57 GMT from United States)
Sounds pretty interesting to me... should be cool to try out when Edgy Eft or whatever it is comes out...
41 • re:15 • Frugalware... (by Kensai on 2006-09-04 14:25:14 GMT from Puerto Rico (by starikarp on 2006-09-04 23:12:40 GMT from United States)
And what is you opinion about Frugalware, please? Is it o=possible that you put something about Frugalware in your blog?
42 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-09-05 01:17:13 GMT from United States)
It is great to see Puppy recognised here. Puppy has wonderful community and it has been my distro of choice for over a year and a half. Great work Barry and team!
43 • NS (nothing special) (by JAG on 2006-09-05 02:13:37 GMT from United States)
Congrats!!!...to BK of Puppy...
Here's something interesting...
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/download-accelerator-for-linux-command-line-tools.html
44 • Linspire purchase XandrOS (by Troy W. Banther on 2006-09-05 02:15:17 GMT from United States)
Mr. Carmony:
Would you seriously consider the purchase of XandrOS and make a Linspire server line?
Fire a gaping shot into MicroWaste making a server product as-well-as a desktop line.
--
Troy W. Banther, B.Sc.
ENMU Alum 95' & 00'
Linux, BSD, and Open Source
http://banther.homelinux.net:8080/webportal
http://www.marcelgagne.com/node/387
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45 • NICE WORK UBUNTU (by Ely on 2006-09-05 05:08:10 GMT from Philippines)
nice to hear those news on ubuntu
i found this interesting articles about upstart and ubuntu-debian:
http://www.nuxified.org/ubuntu_leaps_forward_with_new_innovations
http://www.netsplit.com/blog/
http://blog.madduck.net/debian/2006.05.24-ubuntu-and-debian
46 • Re: one of the most geek distros (by Ariszló on 2006-09-05 07:09:37 GMT from Hungary)
Anonymous Penguin wrote: Slackware is now one of the most geek distros out there. Much more so than Gentoo, at least with Gentoo you can "emerge" almost everything under the sun.
This is where you can get almost everything under the sun for Slackware:
http://linuxpackages.net/
Every attempt to create a popular Slackware derivative has failed, possibly with the exception of Vector, which remains mainly a distro for older hardware.
How about Zenwalk?
http://www.zenwalk.org/
47 • RE: # 46 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-09-05 07:52:00 GMT from Italy)
"How about Zenwalk?
http://www.zenwalk.org/ "
Sorry, I forgot about that.
48 • Linspire redirect (by Anonymous on 2006-09-05 09:17:49 GMT from United Kingdom)
[quote="Kevin Carmony"]
We have what we call "express URL's" on our server, and one of these got changed improperly, so some of you may have seen this. We fixed it. It should go to freespire.org now.
As for gaming DistroWatch, that wouldn't have worked because all the links would have been coming from the same referring source, Linspire.com. We have THOUSANDS of hits on that express URL every HOUR. IF that had in fact been the case, we'd have shot WAY WAY WAY WAY up in the charts. We actually fell yesterday, with an average of about 900 clicks. I'm sure DistroWatch has been gamed plenty over the years and long since would have weeded out any clicks from the same referring source, expecially when that source is the company behind the distro.
Kevin
[/quote]
49 • Donation to Puppy Linux (by Imran Yusof on 2006-09-05 09:24:13 GMT from Malaysia)
Puppy is great distro especially for old hardware. The donation was justified. Congratulation Barry Kauler! Thank you Distrowatch...
50 • re 46 & 47 (by Akuna on 2006-09-05 12:16:05 GMT from France)
"How about Zenwalk?
http://www.zenwalk.org/ "
I was going to say that as well ;-)
51 • Ubuntu Christian Edition 1.2 - released last week (by agnostic on 2006-09-05 12:48:32 GMT from United Kingdom)
Would others like to consider that by producing a Ubuntu Christian Edition 1.2 - with out simultaneously producing Editions for the other major religions - is tantermount to promoting RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE
EG: Christian Edition only = by fanatics, for fanatics
52 • Ubuntu & Kubuntu Christian Editions (by Troy Banther on 2006-09-05 13:08:33 GMT from United States)
I think it's an excellent idea. Why? Do you realize how much not-for-profits, charities, educational (public and private), religious organizations and other like organizations pay in M$ licensing fees?
Any Linux-based company CEOs listening out there?
--
Troy W. Banther, B.Sc.
ENMU Alum 95' & 00'
Linux, BSD, and Open Source
http://banther.homelinux.net:8080/webportal
http://www.marcelgagne.com/node/387
53 • http://just-john.com (by just john on 2006-09-05 13:15:07 GMT from United States)
RE: "Would others like to consider that by producing a Ubuntu Christian Edition 1.2 - with out simultaneously producing Editions for the other major religions - is tantermount to promoting RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE"
Nope.
Promoting one thing doesn't mean you're intolerant of other things.
If you feel strongly enough about your particular take on the Universe, you have the tools to promote it.
54 • And more coffee would be nice, too. (by just john on 2006-09-05 13:17:01 GMT from United States)
(Gee, I wish we could edit our comments, f'rinstance, so I could put a meaningful SUBJECT on the above post, rather than my url.)
55 • Ubuntu: Common Customisations (by Kingbahamut on 2006-09-05 13:46:03 GMT from United States)
Always nice to see my friend UD (ubuntu_demon) get some of his work recognized. =).
56 • #51 (by 1c3d0g on 2006-09-05 15:23:58 GMT from Aruba)
And it's why a lot of your own countrymen left your country too when America was discovered. Stop being hypocritical, because it will only come back and bite you (I'll leave the location up to your imagination). :-P
57 • Slackware #6 (by Ariszló on 2006-09-05 16:34:46 GMT from Hungary)
This "one of the most geek distros" is #6 at DistroWatch if set to the last 30 days, 5 hits ahead of Mandriva. 8-)
58 • Re #47 (by rglk on 2006-09-05 17:20:24 GMT from United States)
"One of the most geek distros" (Slackware) and three of its immediate descendents (Slax, Zenwalk and Vector) are among the top 20 of the current six months DW hit list. Only Debian surpasses that with itself and five of its descendents (Ubuntu=Kubuntu, MEPIS, Knoppix, Kanotix, Xandros) currently among the top 20.
Robert
59 • re-count the issues (by Anonymous on 2006-09-05 19:17:12 GMT from Germany)
Uuuuups, i think there is an error in the issue-counter:
Issue 158: "Welcome to this year's 27th issue of DistroWatch Weekly!"
Issue 159: "Welcome to this year's 27th issue of DistroWatch Weekly!"
So this is not this year's 35th issue of DWW, it's the 36th.
60 • #51 (by WyldBob on 2006-09-05 21:17:45 GMT from United States)
Spare me the politics of your anti-religious attitude. Let some enterprising souls make up Hindubuntu or BuddhistUbuntu or whatever. Anybody's choice to do that if they so wish.
And I'm quite sure they'd be here along with Christianubuntu.
This is about linux and related os's. Not politics.
61 • 51 60 (by AC on 2006-09-05 21:42:33 GMT from United States)
51 would be right that it was religious intolerance if the Ubuntu project produced only an Ubuntu Christian Ed and not for other religions. But he's wrong, because this was a separate effort by a group not claiming to serve the public at large. So yes, if one wants distros for other religions, representatives of those religions need to build them.
However, I wouldn't call 51's views anti-religious. Merely misguided.
Personally, I find the development of "Christian" distros to be gratuitous and divisive, not too mention an example of cheezy marketing. But not "intolerant", per se.
62 • Pfef! (by Zu on 2006-09-05 22:27:00 GMT from Poland)
That christian thing again :(
What an improvement - GnuCash added (to increase sales of salvation).
63 • upstart (by Warpengi on 2006-09-05 23:50:33 GMT from Canada)
I wanted to mention upstart in my earlier post. This is hardly the 1st attempt to replace sysvinit. None of the others have made much of an impact so I wouldn't hold my breath about this one.
Nice to hear about the improvement to Freespire Jaceman. I don't really like sudo very much but unlike users-as-root it actually has some arguments its' favour vis a vis security.
#58 "One of the most geek distros" (Slackware) and three of its immediate descendents (Slax, Zenwalk and Vector) are among the top 20..."
and just who do you think developed those siblings? Geeks, that's who;-) Those stats make Debian an even more geek distro than slackware. Being a geek distro is a good thing:-)
64 • Graphical installer...My 2 cents (by gentooer on 2006-09-06 01:28:25 GMT from Australia)
It would seem the gentoo installer project has a long way to go. Installing gentoo by hand is still the best way to get a gentoo system.
Perhaps the installer team could take a lesson or two from vidalinux
65 • Top 100... (by iMoron on 2006-09-06 03:26:43 GMT from Puerto Rico)
I must say, we do need a better criteria for a "Top" list...
I have notice that it is hard to make a criteria that would be fair to the Distros...
Now... Just for analisis sake.
+ Top list base on how many users there are registered for each distro...
- Not to realiable unless users would not be able to create multiple registrations... maybe even more complex than that...
- Who's to say that a large userbase means better platform/system
+ Browser identifications... as far as I know the browsers identefy on which platfor they are running...
- Then again... I think it is only in a general basis... not specific to any particular distinction among distros.
- If it were posible it could still be as unrelayable as the current system.
+ distrowatch own regitration system
- ... naaaa, erase that one...
+ goole or google fight stadistics?
- Yea... rrriiiggghhttt....
... boy, am realy trying to find something... But I need a better kernel and some legacy support :p
66 • Is Freespire the Mepis Killer? (by RoachBoy on 2006-09-06 09:09:09 GMT from Kenya)
Mepis has acquired the reputation for being a newbie-friendly distro. But now with the arrival of Freespire it seems that Mepis may be knocked off that perch. In fact, Freespire could very well become the new desktop distro numero uno. Fedora is buggy and notwithstanding the claims by the folks at Fedora, it still feels like a beta for RHEL. Kubuntu/Ubuntu seem fairly stable, but are they really anything more than Debian with tassels on?
Suse and Mandrake, sorry, Mandriva, are strong contenders, but in my experience they’re bloated, slow, resource hungry, and...buggy.
Last year on the Linux Link Tech Show (http://tlltsarchive.org/archives/tllts_75-03-16-05.ogg ), Warren Woodford expressed big hopes for Mepis. He has certainly put in a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into Mepis, but now there’s a new heavyweight in town...
I’m in the process of downloading Freespire (using BitTorrent); hopefully I'll be done before Christmas then I can find out for myself if this is the new Mepis!
P.S. Linspire’s decision to open up its CNR software service suggests a change in strategy, but one wonders how this will affect their revenues. Are they throttling the goose that lays the golden eggs? If you look at the FAQs page, http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/FAQ_Category:_About_Freespire_and_The_Freespire_Project, Freespire almost seems to offer more than Linspire, which is great for freeloaders like myself.
67 • to LadislavB: is netbsd i386 iso 687 MB? (by a thinking man on 2006-09-06 09:50:06 GMT from Ukraine)
Greeting! is netbsd for i386 contains full KDE, Gnome etc? ;) please, change your 09-04-06 news post to the correct value.
68 • Re. 66: Mepis vs. Freespire (by UZ64 on 2006-09-06 09:53:50 GMT from United States)
Nah... they both suck. Mepis is an ugly, bloated, buggy mess by default, while I couldn't even get the FreeSpire live CD to boot. It gave me possibly the most errors I've seen in my life. Yikes. As for install... didn't try it, as my Zenwalk partition ain't going anywhere. The stunts Linspire have pulled will make sure they stay off of my "favorites" list. If I recommend a hand-holding distro like Mepis or Linspire, I'd rather go with SUSE, Fedora, PCLinuxOS, the Ubuntus, BLAG, etc.
69 • RE:Re. 66: Mepis vs. Freespire (by Madman on 2006-09-06 12:36:29 GMT from Netherlands)
I tried Freespire and although I'm no fan of using sudo for newbie distros, it looked good. Perhaps you should check the md5 sum before you burn the ISO, UZ64!
70 • Re. #69 MD5 (by UZ64 on 2006-09-06 12:47:22 GMT from United States)
"Perhaps you should check the md5 sum before you burn the ISO, UZ64!"
Already did. I don't burn *any* images to disc without verifying the sum. I even wasted another CD and burned the disc a second time to make sure there wasn't an error in the burning process. Still had no luck. No problem, I moved on. Besides, my experience with Linspire back when they were giving it away for free wasn't too great either... but at least it would boot.
I will give Linspire credit for one thing though: they do have one nice looking desktop, and from what I've seen in reviews, Freespire's desktop looks decent too.
71 • 51 & 62 (by Anonymous on 2006-09-06 13:15:48 GMT from United States)
51: We need a Catholic Ubuntu with a choir-boy database in MySQL.
62: As George Carlin says, God is all powerful and God is everywhere...but he's bad with money!
72 • Re 51 & comments 52, 53, 56, 60, 61 (by Agnostic on 2006-09-06 13:29:19 GMT from United Kingdom)
I think you are all missing the point, 52 had the most relevant comments BUT most poeple it seems are not "looking out side the box they live in"
(1) I am not anti-religion - I just do not need to have a faith,
that is my freedom of choise,
(2) what does the word "tantermount" mean - do you know ?
73 • 72 (Pedantry) (by Some Geezer on 2006-09-06 16:03:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
If you're going to slate someone for misspelling, check your own.
What does "choise" mean?
74 • Freespire looks really good so far (by JeffS on 2006-09-06 16:58:40 GMT from United States)
I'm a rather technical Linux user of over 4 years, and I've tried many distros ranging from the more geeky (Slack), to the more newbie friendly (PCLOS, Mepis).
Until now, my only experience with Linspire was helping my Mom buy one of those $150 PCs at Fry's with Linspire predoaded (my only help was basic computer usage). At the time, I thought Linspire was very polished, attractive, and very very easy and newbie friendly. However, being technically oriented, I did not need the super newbie friendly niceities like CNR and the Linspire installer. Thus I would use stuff like Kanotix, Ubuntu, Fedora, Mandriva, Mepis, etc.
Now that Freespire is out, and CNR is free, I thought why not try it - nothing to lose except a little time and a blank CD.
I'm very very glad I did. I'm very impressed with Freespire. It is so smooth, polished, easy, beautiful, and very full featured. And I'm finding I'm liking CNR. It really adds a lot to standard apt and Synaptic. It's like browsing Amazon or something, then a single click installs the software, with a menu item and a desktop shortcut. That's slick.
And, even though I'm technically oriented (I'm a programmer by trade), I'm also married and have two kids. Thus my time is very limited, and thus I very much appreciate all the slick, enjoyable, time-saving conveniences that a distro like Freespire brings. I don't need those conveniences, but I lack the time, and now the motivation, to constantly get under the hood to tweak things (like with Slackware - a great distro that requires lot's of command line usage and config file editing).
So Freespire is looking really good. Also, I'm showing it to lot's of non Linux types, and Freespire gives them the "Ooooh neat" reaction.
75 • @#72 - defining "tantermount" (by pfpearson on 2006-09-06 17:53:44 GMT from United States)
Assuming your second qestion was serious, "tantermount" is a misspelling of "tantamount". I used Google ( http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Atantamount ) and saw that tantamount means "being essentially equal to something"
Just because someone - *anyone* - produces something targeted to a particular belief does not necessarily mean that person is "intolerant" or even opposed to other beliefs. Are the English-only distros "intolerant" of other languages, or are they just focusing their efforts on a smaller population, to produce a better product?
76 • @#62 - Financial accountability (by pfpearson on 2006-09-06 17:56:47 GMT from United States)
"GnuCash added (to increase sales of salvation)."
GnuCash is a tool which can help churches (charitable organizations) manager their donations more reliably. This is a good thing for *any* organization, espicially charities. The churches can now manage their money more professinally and responsibly, showing themselves to be better stewards of the money.
77 • About #72 and #76 (by pfpearson on 2006-09-06 18:05:18 GMT from United States)
I posted the above two comments for the express purpose of deflecting the issue from religion to Linux. Since Distrowatch's stated purpose is to "Put the fun back into computing", let's keep the discussion focused there. Someone has taken the best OS (Linux, in my not-so-humble opinion) available, found a usable packaging of that OS (Ubuntu), and "tweaked" it to suit the purposes of a niche audience. The discussion of whether it qualifies technically as a "distro" was good - and answered by Ladislav. But, for the most part, we are "geeks" (hey, who but a geek would post to a forum about Linux, and argue over whether UCE is a "distribution" or "derivative") so let's not side-track into religious or political comments.
(I wonder what would happen if I started a Slackware-based distro targeted to Republicans. Would I be "devisive"?)
78 • RE: # 74 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-09-06 19:30:48 GMT from Italy)
Very good post.
It proves my point. A distro like Slackware can be popularl with geeks, but it will never be with 99% of ordinary PC users, which at the end of the day is the only market which really counts.
Linspire/Freespire, on the other hand, do have such a chance (of becoming popular with the general population), even if the MS "addiction" is far too strong.
As to me, after having been a self proclaimed geek for so many years, I want to be just a user. I am having trouble finding the right distro, though: SUSE is slow, bloated and a resource hog beyond belief. Kanotix has stopped releasing. Debian Etch could be an option, but not right now.
79 • re #77 (by ray carter at 2006-09-06 20:44:21 GMT from United States)
You might have a little better luck with the Dumocrats - Repubs are generally more 'pro big business'.
80 • 79 (by Anonymous on 2006-09-06 20:48:16 GMT from United States)
That is correct. The Repugs get big donations from Microsofts Bill Gates, and they in turn go easy on M$ when they violate trade rules.
81 • Stop it already! (by RoachBoy on 2006-09-07 06:20:25 GMT from Kenya)
Tantermount, Dumocrats, Repugs - you guys are killing me! :-D
82 • Ubuntu 64 sucks. (by Douglas on 2006-09-07 06:46:54 GMT from Germany)
I just had the worst time trying to get Kubuntu 64 to install on my new computer!! If I had not been doing linux for years, I would have given up!!
My computer is a M2N-E motherboard AMD 64 X2 3800 and a 160 GB sata drive and a DVD. 2GB ram.
While booting the CD it just says that the HDA is not found and stuff like that. The only HDA on the system is the DVD. No other distro that I tried had this problem.
To get it to work add LIVE as an option to start up and wait for the errors to pass: a long wait. Then use the desk top install. Also the new partioning was very hard to use. Also PowerNow does not seem to be working and it booted a non multi-cpu kernel.
Ubuntu needs some work for sure. Please get it right because I Ioved Ubuntu when I had an old computer.
I am now running Ubuntu and won the battles but what of a newbie?? And a question? Does the 64 version run all 64 bit programs or do they just run all the 32 bit ones?
83 • The Problem with the GPLv3 (by RoachBoy on 2006-09-07 07:14:52 GMT from Kenya)
Is the Bearded One jeopardising the future of Linux? This article suggests that he is: http://www.forbes.com/2006/08/31/stallman-linux-opensource_cz_dl_0831stallman.html?boxes=custom. (will we have to shift to the GNU HURD kernel which as far as I know still needs a lot of work).
84 • 83 (by AC on 2006-09-07 08:20:07 GMT from United States)
For those unacquainted with Daniel Lyons, the author of said article:
http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/174/42/
85 • Re: #82 (by linbetwin on 2006-09-07 08:32:41 GMT from Romania)
My computer is a M2N-E motherboard AMD 64 X2 3800 and a 160 GB sata drive and a DVD. 2GB ram.
While booting the CD it just says that the HDA is not found and stuff like that. The only HDA on the system is the DVD. No other distro that I tried had this problem.
I am not very happy with Ubuntu either and I never had the courage to try the 64-bit version, but as far as I know SATA drives are sda, not hda.
86 • Re: The Problem with the GPLv3 (by Ariszló on 2006-09-07 09:20:20 GMT from Hungary)
Forbes.com also has a slid show about the "Heroes of the Revolution":
http://www.forbes.com/2006/08/31/cz_dl_0831hero_slide.html
One of the heroes is Scott Dietzen, CTO of Zimbra:
http://www.forbes.com/2006/08/31/cz_dl_0831hero_slide_5.html
Zimbra? I haven't heard of it before:
http://www.zimbra.com/
87 • Distro Rankings (by Ariszló on 2006-09-07 15:57:00 GMT from Hungary)
I have just found this:
"Distro Rankings - new portal for posting and ranking Linux Distributions"
http://www.distrorankings.com/
88 • 87 (by Anonymous on 2006-09-07 19:23:05 GMT from United States)
I have just found this:
"Distro Rankings - new portal for posting and ranking Linux Distributions"
http://www.distrorankings.com/
Blah! I prefer Distrowatch, even with the UCE, Tantermount and all!
89 • re 87, Distro Rankings (by Andy Axnot on 2006-09-07 23:11:12 GMT from United States)
Well, I don't want to jump to conclusions, but my first impressions are not overly positive. According to that site the top 5 distros are: CentOS, Debian, Slackware, Ubuntu, and cdlinux.pl.
Cdlinux.pl? And nowhere in the top 100 did I find Slutware!
Hard to take that list too seriously. For now, anyway.
Andy
90 • Slutware (by tom on 2006-09-07 23:44:22 GMT from United States)
Slutware comes with Viagra !
91 • 89 (by AC on 2006-09-08 00:28:05 GMT from United States)
I'm definitely not too impressed, but I will say this: CEntOS and Debian being top does better square with NetCraft's statistics for servers, if we assume that businesses that use RHEL on servers with Oracle go with CEntOS on desktop where these certs aren't needed. Interesting. I certainly don't think Distrowatch's counters reflect how widely Debian is deployed (let alone Red Hat), but then I suspect a lot of Debian users don't click the Debian page regularly. We just use it.
This isn't to fault Distrowatch. Distrowatch measures buzz among enthusiasts, hobbyists, home desktop users, and that's a worthwhile thing to measure.
92 • Linspire (by Anonymous on 2006-09-08 03:32:12 GMT from United States)
Mepis acts weird
Pclinuxos big daddy sound subsystem crashes then KDE crashes
Gentoo 2006.1 still boot loops
Time to try linspire again
93 • RE: #83 • The Problem with the GPLv3 (by Rölli Peikko on 2006-09-08 10:45:27 GMT from Finland)
Is the Bearded One jeopardising the future of Linux?
Stallman thinks it's GNU/Linux, not Linux.
I'm not an expert on this subject but from what I've gathered, those who call the movement "Open Source" and the operating system "Linux" usually want people to use it because they think it's the most technically advanced operating system out there. But those who call the movement "Free Software" and the operating system "GNU/Linux" want people to use it because it allows people to share and modify the software they use -- even if it's not the most technically advanced operating system available.
Stallman emphasizes the point that attracting lots of newbies and gaining momentum is all in vain if the freedom to share and modify software is lost. Newbies who start using [GNU/]Linux because of its technical benefits will also quickly switch to some non-free (closed source) operating system as fast as one can offer some benefits that are not available in [GNU/]Linux. Only those [GNU/]Linux users who have learned to appreciate the right to share and modify software will stick to it even when there are technically more advanced non-free (closed source) alternatives available. Personally I think that Stallman has a valid point there.
The main purpose of GPLv3 is to ensure that software patents and "DRM" don't take the freedom to share and modify software away from users. Stallman thinks that protecting these freedoms is much more important than making [GNU/]Linux the world's most popular operating system.
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/
94 • Re: Stallman thinks it's GNU/Linux, not Linux. (by Ariszló on 2006-09-08 11:32:53 GMT from Hungary)
Yes, he likes to divide the community. I prefer the terms Linux and Open Source to GNU/Linux and Free Software but I don't prefer technical merits to freedom and sharing.
95 • RE: #94 (by Rölli Peikko on 2006-09-08 13:59:40 GMT from Finland)
Then you're sending a mixed message. ;-)
The thing with freedom is that when you decide to give it away, it's gone forever. If you value the freedom of distros to modify software into an easy to use & distribute package and if you value your freedom to share programs with your friends, then you should prefer the terms GNU/Linux and Free Software. Initially it's a moral choice but in the long run this choice has very tangible results. It's far too easy to lose all your freedom if you start giving it away bit by bit in order to get some short term benefits.
There is only one pro-freedom community and I don't think Stallman is dividing it at all. The rest of the crowd, those who can't make up their mind about freedom, don't really belong to this community. They may be here today but they are gone tomorrow when they decide that some non-free alternative suits their needs better. Trying to please these people and bargain with them is a wasted effort -- it only leaves those who stay with diminished freedom.
96 • 95 (by AC on 2006-09-08 19:31:10 GMT from United States)
I too prefer "Free Software" and "GNU/Linux" and have debated this with Ariszlo, but I don't think that Ariszlo's preference gives a mixed message. It merely chooses not to send a message at the expense of using the more familiar, more widely used terms. I may choose differently, but if he places freedom and sharing above technical merit and encourages others to do so - which he does - that is what matters.
That said, I consider it a mistake to say that Stallman "divides the community". A community is defined by its principles and goals: stating them clearly and discussing them ensures the health of that community.
97 • Dream Linux (by Anonymous on 2006-09-09 00:16:11 GMT from United States)
Supposedly Dream Linux is going to release v2.1 at the end of September.
To me, Dream Linux is the best looking linux distro out there. Plus it's Debian/Kanotix based.
Unfortunately it doesn't recognize both cores of my dual-core machine, and the video card support needs some more work.
Check it out at:
http://dreamlinux.com.br
98 • SELinux (by Anonymous on 2006-09-09 00:22:32 GMT from United States)
Hi,
Are there any Debian-based distros that have SELinux incorporated by default? I think SELinux is one of the most important initiatives in linux. I hope it will spread and I hope that easy-to-use tools for creating policies will be developed.
Thanks
99 • Open Source (by mika hack on 2006-09-09 09:07:15 GMT from Italy)
Not related with linux distro....but interesting anyway...if you own an old Nokia Mediamaster 9500 !! ;)
http://dvb2000.got.to/
have a look.....it sounds cool!!!!!
100 • re 97 Dreamlinux (by Andy Axnot on 2006-09-09 14:43:31 GMT from United States)
That link didn't work for me, but their Distrowatch page gives:
http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/ which does work.
It looks very interesting. Sigh... so many distros look interesting these days. Reviews seem favorable...
I never thought I would say this, but I may just be getting jaded and tired of trying new distros. It's a tough life :-)
101 • RE: #100 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-09-09 16:15:22 GMT from Italy)
"I never thought I would say this, but I may just be getting jaded and tired of trying new distros. It's a tough life :-)"
I know the feeling :)
About 2 years ago I believed it would never happen to me, but it did eventually.
102 • re 93 - 96 (by Andy Axnot on 2006-09-09 16:17:34 GMT from United States)
I just wanted to mention, before this week's comment's page is closed out, that this was an interesting (short) discussion. I hadn't quite considered the Linux vs. Gnu/Linux argument in this light before, nor had I appreciated how important the freedom involved is, as compared to the technical merits of the software.
Of course, I'm a little slow on the uptake :-)
Incidentally, I'm writing this using DreamLinux as a live CD. I've only been using it for about 15 minutes or so. Quite nice, but I can't say I've been tempted to run out and get a "DreamLinux" tattoo -- or even a T-shirt if there are any.
103 • RE: #98 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-09-09 16:23:45 GMT from Italy)
Many people have been asking for SELinux in Kanotix, the next release could have it.
There are several Debian SELinux how-tos, for instance this one:
http://wiki.debian.org/SELinuxSetup
But to my knowledge no Debian derivative has SeLinux supported by default yet.
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