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1 • Not first post (by Simon on 2006-03-27 13:40:10 GMT from Ossett, United Kingdom)
Apart from a couple of jarring typos in the excellent book review another outstanding issue.
2 • -Do you mean I am not the first post ??? (by Caraibes on 2006-03-27 13:47:53 GMT from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic)
I enjoyed reading this week's DWW, good job to the whole staff !!!
I tried FC5, installed it with the 2 first CD's only (couldn't wait...)
Looks great I have to toy around with it a litle more...
Re-installed Slackware 10.2 in my main pc. Great OS, seems made to learn more about CLI !!! Good for my personal learning curve... This is why I enjoyed reading your piece on Slack 11... Hope they'll fix k3b, because the one I got from Linux Packages doesn't want to open !
And I hope they'll have a better hardware detection (scroll mouse, cd/dvd-drive)
Uninstalled Breezy, I'll wait for 6.06 to show up...
But overall, my favorite distro these days is Puppy... Thumbs up to Barry !
3 • No subject (by Brach on 2006-03-27 13:48:10 GMT from Orange, United States)
Thanks for the time to write such great reviews every week. I like waking up monday mornings ;)
Keep up the awesome job of Distrowatch!
4 • Speaking of CentOS ... (by just john on 2006-03-27 13:52:10 GMT from Fremont, United States)
"Oklahoma city threatens to call FBI over 'renegade' Linux maker":
http://www.theregister.com/2006/03/24/tuttle_centos/
Or as centos.org puts it, "OR ... why every city council needs at least one geek":
http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127
(Sorry for the kneejerk relay of the links, but I just found the whole thing THAT funny, and had to tell somebody. I figure it's nearly on-topic here.)
5 • geek "girls" (by AC on 2006-03-27 13:53:36 GMT from , United States)
Please don't make it any more difficult for knowledgeable women trying be heard and respected in technical forums by encouraging this sort of thing. Some of the advice was sound, but it's not as if it's not already difficult to post with a female name and not suddenly be bombarded with unwanted and OT attention. How's this for an idea: make friends - emphasis on "friends" - with people who share your interests and don't go through life with the high school idea that everyone you meet fits into some stereotype. Then see what happens.
6 • City of Tuttle (by muggsy on 2006-03-27 14:29:18 GMT from Gloucester, United Kingdom)
What a crackup....
How can someone with 22 years of computer experience actually be involved in something like this.... =)
It baffles me how stupid some people who claim that kind of experience.....
Even if he knew nothing, the first person he should talk to is his IT Manager.. but then again I've met enuff of them to realise they really know nothing either
7 • Broadcom.... enemy or friend? (by Steff on 2006-03-27 14:44:29 GMT from London, United Kingdom)
So Broadcom donated this quad-mips to Debian for debugging purposes.
Yet I seem to remember that the same Broadcom has been no help in producing drivers for their wireless chips. Actually, they were cited as one of the least friendly companies in realeasing specs for their chips.
Does anyone know what this company's stance is? I'd like to know as I try to buy hardware only from open sounce friendly companies.
8 • A suggestion (by william johnson on 2006-03-27 14:54:33 GMT from Wilmington, United States)
Since i have been unable to find an e-mail link to you on this
site , i will have to put my suggestion here.. I
love Distrowatch but think this would be a valuable addition.
Lop off the bottom 50 distros from your page hit list, and
in that space put a TOP 10 or 20 list of distros based on the
criteria of EASE OF INSTALLATION, EASE OF CONFIGURATION, and USABILITY. This would be invaluable
to newbies coming to the site and preventing them from
getting burned and turned off to linux . I know it would have
saved me a lot cursing and hours of work.
9 • Fedora (by Tom on 2006-03-27 14:57:16 GMT from Helena, United States)
Installed Fedora 5 over the weekend. I am more of a "Debian" fan.
First impressions: Difficult to install.
First the MD5 sum (listed in the mirrors) is incorrect for disc 4 ( tried 2 downloads from each of 2 mirrors, MD5 sums for the other discs was OK). Install seemed to work anyway.
Second, why 5 CD's ??. The install had minimal requirements from CD 4 & 5 and it seems the distro could have been easily fit onto 1 or 2 CD's with a network install for the rest.
1. Installer gave limited choices for other Linux/Data partitions.
2. Booting with GRUB was unusual.
root=(hdx,y)
kernel=/vmlinuz... NO root=/dev/hdx
initrd=/initrd...
boot
3. There do not seem to be any internet sites for updates/software pre installed, nor was I given the option to add/identify sites during the install. How is YUM configured .....
4. For a 5 CD Distro there was minimal artwork.
Otherwise not bad. Need to explore more. The system is not as fast as I had expected from the reviews.
10 • Goodbye KDE! Let the Flames Begin! (by Ed Borasky on 2006-03-27 15:01:50 GMT from Tualatin, United States)
It's been a long time coming, but I have abandoned the KDE desktop! It's way too bloated, takes a long time to come up to a ready-to-use state, full of features I'll never use, takes a long time to compile on Gentoo Linux, has very little on-line documentation, etc.
In its place, I have adopted the XFCE4 desktop from http://www.xfce.org/. It's literally amazing how quickly XFCE4 comes up and is ready for use. And it's also amazing how little I miss KDE. I considered Gnome, but XFCE4 seems to do everything Gnome will do and is quite a bit lighter ... both in weight and in appearance. So ... Goodbye KDE -- Hello XFCE4 -- Let the flames begin!
11 • Guide to Geek Girls?? (by towsonu2003 on 2006-03-27 15:04:41 GMT from Baltimore, United States)
[quote FTFA]So you realized that you're never going to meet Kim Basinger. Moreover, the pretty thing in your Sociology class or the leggy new secretary in the office has given you the cold shoulder three weeks in a row. You're feeling fairly dejected. You obviously haven't considered dating a geek girl.[/quote FTFA]
How much more sexist can you get? This worthless SHIT doesn't have a place in here or anywhere else. Be careful at wtF you advertise in your newsletter! This was a shame...
12 • re #8 (by ray carter at 2006-03-27 15:22:17 GMT from Meridian, United States)
I think you may be onto something in regard to 'newbie advice'. I have to differ with you particular solution, though. Where would you get the input for such a ranking? What I find 'easy to install' may drive someone else up the wall. Particularly ranking 'newbie friendly' distros would be very questionable. On the other hand, a list of 10 or 20 'distros suitable for a first timer' might be useful and would get us something to point to on the news groups.
13 • RE: 8 • A suggestion (by ladislav on 2006-03-27 15:27:39 GMT from Taipei, Taiwan)
Since i have been unable to find an e-mail link to you on this
site
My email address is written at the bottom of every single page of this web site. Additionally, the "About DistroWatch" page also lists my email, physical address and phone number.
criteria of EASE OF INSTALLATION, EASE OF CONFIGURATION, and USABILITY
And who is going to make an objective decision to rank the distribution on the above criteria? You? Then you are a very brave man....
14 • My.PCLinuxOS, Centos and Firefox relationship management (by Andy on 2006-03-27 15:31:51 GMT from Stevenage, United Kingdom)
Thanks for another great edition.
Some really funny stuff.
FireFox's attempt at relationship management takes the biscuit. But you gotta give the crown to CentOS. Do all the leg work for some stuck up collar and still end up getting the blame!!
Checkout My.PCLinuxOS if you get the time. I can see some real good results coming out of this one.
15 • Geek Girls (by Jesse on 2006-03-27 15:38:51 GMT from Halifax, Canada)
I think some posters missed the point that the geek girl
article was supposed to be humour. Before the link, at
the start of the paragraph, it says:
"Finally, a handful of links for those moments when you just want to sit back, relax, and have a good laugh."
Was it silly, sterotyped and full of useless "information"? Yes. That's
the point, people.
16 • @william johnson (no. 8) (by Stefan on 2006-03-27 15:41:22 GMT from Erfurt, Germany)
Your comment is unqualified. Why do you think the top distros get so many hits per day? For sure not because they are not easy to use. Out of the top 10 there are only 2 Distros I would not recommend for newbs (Gentoo + Debian).
At least TRY to read the reviews offered/linked by distrowatch, that may help to get an idea of the easiness.
If you are to lazy for that install distro #1 - Ubuntu. You will be fine with that one.
Ladislav you are doing great work I enjoy distrowatch day by day.
Stefan
17 • Re 9. Fedora - by TOM (by Andy - Right name, location?? on 2006-03-27 15:42:18 GMT from Stevenage, United Kingdom)
Tom, I downloaded the 5 cd for both the 32 and 64bit versions and all verified ok. FC haven't given out MD5 sums, they use SHA1 sums. I'd suggest trying another mirror for CD4.
Also you can check your burned CD's integrity by typing 'linux mediacheck' at the boot prompt and let Fedora test all the CD's to an inbuilt MD5/SHA1 sum.
The number of CD's is to aid networkless installs. You can build a system to do practically anything with the full 5 CD's. I guess it's all about choice.
18 • RE 8 (by ShakaZ on 2006-03-27 15:53:37 GMT from Bruxelles, Belgium)
Seems a great suggestion to me ;-). To set it up may be a a poll system such as those that can be found on forums could be usefull. As distrowatch uses php and the forums too it should be possible to provide such a feature.
Criterias that could be used :
Ease of installation : How many steps are needed to install, autodetection of hardware, drivers & codecs included by default...
Ease of configuration : Gui configuration tools provided, good documentation, active community forums,...
Usability : Speed of the system, number of steps to get basic things done, level of knowledge needed, quality of the update system,...
While objectivity of the voters could be questionable a general trend should emerge. The objectivity of the rating system on distrowatch isn't garanteed either...
19 • at #15 (by towsonu2003 at 2006-03-27 15:57:11 GMT from Baltimore, United States)
There are jokes/humour and there are "jokes"/"humour". Some examples for the second category, "jokes"/"humour":
*racist jokes (white Americans best know these)
*ethnocentric jokes (Europeans best know these)
*sexist jokes (men best know these)
So, as you see, these jokes are just a way for the writer (sic) to mask his genuine intent: to humiliate a group of people he dislikes or despises.
If you can't see that, you better start reading BOOKS...
20 • Babelfish translation of the Gaël Duval interview: (by Andrew on 2006-03-27 15:59:02 GMT from , United Kingdom)
Translated at http://babelfish.altavista.com/
Cofounder of Mandrake Linux (Mandriva), Gaël DUVAL says some more on his new project of operating system opensource
JB - Which is the genesis of Ulteo?
GD - Ulteo is a project which I had proposed without success with Mandriva at the end of 2004 bus I had the conviction that it was an innovative approach, that nobody had still undertaken and who however is particularly in the air of time. Moreover I am astonished that nobody still launched out in it.
JB - Can your more precise being on this concept?
GD - I will reveal the complete concept when a first version beta is available - there are companies organized much better than I am it currently (!), and with much more developers. Thus I would at least like to have the privilege of the innovation.
The base of the software will be based on Linux, and the originality of the concept will not lie in the user interface which I consider maintaining being of a good level, and accessible. But indeed the whole of the system should be very simple to use and of the variations undertaken could be considered easily after a first version devoted to a personnel/SOHO use. Moreover, this original product will become all its extensive insofar as it is connected to a fast access Internet (or at least permanent).
JB - You will remain faithful to the philosophy of the free software?
GD - Yes, the project will comprise a completely free base (and free), but a whole business model is considered around the products and of its associated services.
JB - Gaël Duval, I thank you.
21 • #19 (by ShakaZ on 2006-03-27 16:09:35 GMT from Bruxelles, Belgium)
Maybe you don't understand what humour is, nothing to be taken too seriously... just a way to have fun. The problem is not racist, sexist, handicap jokes it's when people actually take those issues seriously. Telling a racist joke doesn't necessarily make you a racist, on the contrary most often it shows how dumb racist people are. The best jokes on jews have been made up by jews themselves.
People who feel humiliated by jokes often lack one essential thing : auto-derision (being able to laugh at yourself, perhaps at your own shortcomings)
22 • Any Ideas on what Gaël Duval new project will do? (by Andy - Wilts not Stevenage :-) on 2006-03-27 16:30:07 GMT from Stevenage, United Kingdom)
Anyone got any suggestions on how they think Ulteo will be a new concept. What has Gaël got up his sleeve?
I'm guessing, but seeing as it relies heavily on a broadband connection I reckon he's planning a remote server/thin client type OS based on LTSP and NX concepts.
Not exactly a new concept so I'm probably miles away with that one, any other suggestions?
23 • Ulteo (by Robzilla on 2006-03-27 16:46:21 GMT from Los Angeles, United States)
Ulteo? What is it? Who knows but some hype is already building. I for one am looking forward to trying it. But hwta is it besides Linux?? Well at least it will be a big let down or incredible when it comes out!
As for the suggestion of easy distro Listing I think that this website will tell you what the easiest distro is. If you simply read reviews or even the small descriptions they will say user friendly or intermediate, etc. Again as Ladislav said it is too subjective. What is easy for you on your machine may be different for others. Of course if you look at reviews that are linked on every distro description you can also find out more info there. I think this website is a wealth of information, logically organized. I could not improve on it one bit. And hey sometimes you just have to experiment. I mean if you just try one distro and judge all Linux on that you are really not being fair. I had to try many distros and break things and start over and try again and again.
So don't look for an easy button. Read the reviews you will find a few of the easier distros that way. Then try them all. Then you will by the process actually learn about Linux. It took me a year to get a good understanding. Some are more proficient but if you keep trying you will learn and then something happens. You gain confidence with knowledge. Then you want to try new distros just to try. Then you understand the whole point of Linux-Freedom and Choice!!
R
24 • Book Review (by x on 2006-03-27 16:52:43 GMT from Seattle, United States)
Thank you for the review. There are many books available on the subject of security, however, most of them are not worth the time or money invested. Though this book is aimed at FreeBSD and OpenBSD users, it is good to get an opinion from a respected rescource. Many reviews posted at booksellers' sites are from unknown entities, some that have an agenda, others only skimmed the contents and looked at the pictures and those few that actually read the book.
The subject of 'geek girls' has generated a couple of negative responses. People need a method to deal with problems. Tasteless jokes are effective. If everything that offended someone were eliminated, then we would eventually have a society where laughter is outlawed. There are much worse sexists situations that need to be addressed and this is not the forum. I wonder if the reaction would have been the same if 'Girl's Guide to Geek Guys' had been linked instead.
25 • Re #8 (by Ed Hartman on 2006-03-27 17:12:28 GMT from Fairfax, United States)
If you click on the link "Major Distributions" at the top of this page, then go along the right side of the page, you will see a listing of the "Top 5 Beginner-Friendly Distributions". That list has been there since I have been visiting this site for over two years now. While it is not ten or twenty listings, for now, five should do.
26 • RE: geek "girls" (by DNAku on 2006-03-27 17:34:36 GMT from Zuienkerke, Belgium)
If you read the geekgirl article carefully you'll notice that it's written by a woman.
27 • @Ed Hartman (no25) (by Stefan on 2006-03-27 18:50:58 GMT from Halle, Germany)
The list is there but I would say it is really outdated... especially setting Xandros no. 1 ... maybe it needs some updating.
28 • FD5 (by RIchard Wallace on 2006-03-27 19:44:14 GMT from Phoenix, United States)
I am a newbie at linux. I have only installed various distros about a 100 times but I found it very interesting that Fedora 5 is the only distro out of the top 5 that would install on my new HP media center PC and work. My favorite SUSE 10.0 which I run on my laptop alone, would not even begin to install.
BTW I love your site and wish there was 10 times the number of distros. It's all good.
29 • The article in question (by PastorEd on 2006-03-27 19:45:13 GMT from Olympia, United States)
Towsonu2003 -
As per your comment above {19 • at #15 (by towsonu2003 at 2006-03-27 15:57:11 GMT from Baltimore, United States)},
"So, as you see, these jokes are just a way for the writer (sic) to mask his genuine intent: to humiliate a group of people he dislikes or despises."
However, if you actually read the article carefully, you might notice that the author of the piece is a WOMAN. And if you read the footnote, you'll notice that she is writing from her own perspective *as* a "geek girl".
Before you decide to officially be offended, why not re-read the article from the AUTHOR'S viewpoint - as a self-proclaimed geek girl - and see if it doesn't change your viewpoint?
After all, if you're intelligent enough to be reading Distrowatch, I'm sure that you're intelligent enough to admit that you could be wrong in your judgement about the author's intent, just as you were wrong about the author's gender.
Just a thought -
G.B.Y.L.B.T.,
PastorEd
30 • $14.99 MEPIS vs. Kubuntu (by Ne MO on 2006-03-27 20:31:51 GMT from Maywood, United States)
So Mepis would just sit back and enjoy their cup of tea, and comes April/November get the finished Ubuntu, badge it Mepis and charge $14.99? How can it be better than the FREE original Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
31 • MEPIS vx. Kubuntu (by Ctrl-Alt-Del on 2006-03-27 20:41:53 GMT from Orono, United States)
@ 30.
Yes they can, and if it can be better remains to be seen. Mepis was always an easy way to install Linux and worked for the most part, just wasn't the easiest way to keep linux running, which is largely due to their dependency on the Debian servers. Switching to Ubuntu, *should help with that IMO having used both. Peronsally, aside from the whole, Oh *!?>, I killed my linux feelings, I preferred the interface of Mepis to Kubuntu, but that could change with upcoming releases. That would be similar to asking how could Ubuntu/Mepis be better than Debian? It's a simple matter of preference IMO. Ubuntu is making the packages, Mepis is making the distro, or at least that was my understanding
32 • Humor (by C0debreaker on 2006-03-27 20:52:46 GMT from Novi, United States)
As much as I fear this is only going to lead to bigger problems I feel that I have to comment on towsonu2003's statement regarding humor.
I believe that before you start criticizing someone else's use of humor and assuming it is meant to be offensive, you may want to examine your own set of morals. While you took exception to what was portrayed from the beginning as not to be taken seriously you have no problem identifying "white Americans", "Europeans", and "men" as the stereotypes you associated with different types of humor. Basically you are preaching a philosophy that you don't believe in yourself. Please work on your own prejudices before trying to correct someone elses.
33 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-27 22:48:28 GMT from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia)
"So you realized that you're never going to meet Kim Basinger. Moreover, the pretty thing in your Sociology class or the leggy new secretary in the office has given you the cold shoulder three weeks in a row. You're feeling fairly dejected. You obviously haven't considered dating a geek girl."
I think what it's trying to say is... not to judge a book by it's cover. Men should stop being a jerk and date a girl base on her superficial look. But rather look for a girl that has intelligence or substance.
I agree with most that towsonu2003 has totally misintepret the writer's thought.
When the writer said something like "It is a nice thing when the brainy computer whiz kid is actually a girl for a change. Likewise, geek girls will cheer when a woman becomes Chief of Engineering. If you know what's good for you, you will cheer, too." you have to know it's a woman :)
34 • geek "girls" (by AC on 2006-03-27 23:18:42 GMT from , United States)
Just to be clear, and to distance myself from those who found the article offensive. I didn't take great offense at it. I did however believe that the humor needed some balance. The answer to speech that bothers you is more speech. That's why I offerred what I thought was some balancing advice, which I tried to offer in post 5. No, I am not humorless. Yes, I knew the article was written by a woman. But I still believe that, particularly in an advocacy site from GNU/Linux and Free Software, we need to be careful about things that may alienate potential users. Not through censorhip, but through dialogue about how best to treat people in our community. I'd hoped my post would encourage that.
35 • Welcome back, KDE (by Oliver Lange on 2006-03-27 23:48:52 GMT from Sulzbach, Germany)
@ 10:
You talk about KDE being too bloated, but then you mention Gentoo. Seems you don't know much about Gentoo, else you'd know that Gentoo offers to install KDE as split packages, where you can choose every single bit of software you like or don't like.
For example, i've installed just 50 (of over 300) KDE packages and i got everything i need for a full KDE desktop with no limits but without any unneeded stuff. Bloated? Not at all. This is what they call "the Gentoo way" and i guess that other distros will follow sooner or later, because the full KDE install with all and everything is really insane.
With split packages (ebuilds), KDE suddenly becomes the best desktop once again. Welcome back...
36 • Mepis switch to Ubuntu: not sure if it is the right thing... (by ghanthar on 2006-03-27 23:54:46 GMT from Ankara, Turkey)
Few weeks ago, when I tried to compare Mepis with Ubuntu to find out if Mepis is worth trying I found that many "Mepis Lovers" were complaining about the Debian compability of Ubuntu. I did not try Mepis since its first beta but, according to reviews and discussions, the only advantages of Mepis over Ubuntu were:
1- Mepis is 100% debian compatible Ubuntu is not
2- Mepis is faster than Kubuntu
3-Mepis KDE is more polished and less bugy than Kubuntu KDE
4-Mepis has better support for multimedia
5- Mepis has better hardware detection
Now lets analyze these
1- From now on Mepis neither will not be 100% Debian Compatible
2 and 3- An article on The Fridge says that Mepis will also share it technology with Ubuntu, which hope having a better KDE by this way.
4- This is the only "advantage" that will remain untouched. Personnaly I do not care about out of the box multimedia, java etc.. support esspecially when I can get them working just with a few copy/paste (thanks to many many Ubuntu Guides out there)
5- Not sure about that but if Mepis will share its technology with Ubuntu this advantage will also gone.
I'm not even talking about many of the Ubuntu advantages which make it a top distro. So, I think that this cooperation between Ubuntu and Mepis will only help to Ubuntu and especilly Kubuntu. I m not seeing any advantages for Mepis.
37 • CentOS (by Brandon at 2006-03-28 00:15:03 GMT from Modesto, United States)
Cent OS is blocking my website GET IT OFF!
38 • Mepis Advantage in switching to Ubuntu (by Ctrl-Alt-Del on 2006-03-28 00:35:44 GMT from Orono, United States)
apt-get dist-upgrade
will hopefully not kill your distro.
39 • KDE bloat (by xzgv on 2006-03-28 00:56:23 GMT from , Panama)
XFCE4, huh? Wait till you learn to use IceWM and Fluxbox.
Hint: keybindings...
40 • Geek Girls (by JAG on 2006-03-28 01:21:01 GMT from Linden, United States)
(Hey guys...here's an excerpt...)
Where to Find Geek Girls
Contrary to popular belief, the geek girl is not some mythical, impossible-to-find creature. If you have never met one, well, you have not been looking in the right places. There is probably one right next to you in the laboratory; but if you are not fortunate enough to have one sitting at the next console, then look to the 'Net. Every geek girl knows that the Internet is not just a tool; it's a communications device. Most geek girls have a very active online life; that may be the only part of their life that is active right now. Look for them online, or even, if you're brave, in the lab; but be careful. A geek girl might not be as comfortable with you in person as she is online; sometimes it's best to try the 'indirect' route first. [footnote]
(and here's the footnote-link)
No, I don't keep lists of geek girls wanting pen pals or good newsgroups or good online forums for meeting geek girls. I've never had troubles encountering fellow geek girls, so I'm not really certain why guys write to me so much, asking where they all are. That being said, I did come across a site called Peer 2 Peer which claims to be a geek personals service. I guess you could start there.
(and here's the "Peer 2 Peer" link)
http://personals.ufies.org/home.html
Maybe some of us will find our very own "Geek Girl"!
41 • RE: Do you mean I am not the first post ??? (by Spectre-7 on 2006-03-28 02:37:09 GMT from San Francisco, United States)
If the k3b off of Linuxpackages.net isn't working for you, have you tried the version from slack-current? It's located in /extra so people don't always notice it.
http://slackware.it/en/pb/package.php?q=current/k3b-0.12.10-i486-1
Hope this helps!
42 • RE: Do you mean I am not the first post ??? (by Christopher Baluyut on 2006-03-28 03:58:22 GMT from Pasig, Philippines)
"Re-installed Slackware 10.2 in my main pc. Great OS, seems made to learn more about CLI !!! Good for my personal learning curve... This is why I enjoyed reading your piece on Slack 11... Hope they'll fix k3b, because the one I got from Linux Packages doesn't want to open !
And I hope they'll have a better hardware detection (scroll mouse, cd/dvd-drive)"
Try the package from slacky.it, usually that's the one I use. Also, maybe you haven't satisfied the deps for K3b. Im using K3b 0.12.14 on Slackware 10.2 with kernel 2.6.15.6 and it works great :D It just needs a little tinkering (permissions and all)... The other distros i tried (the "user-friendly ones"), doesn't jive well with my CD burner, because of the use of more recent cdrtools alphas. Im just using the stable 2.1 version on Slack 10.2, and I'm stuck since :D
43 • Podcast link is incorrect (by Alex on 2006-03-28 04:09:31 GMT from Boca Raton, United States)
The date should be 20060327 not 20060320.
44 • Re: Gentoo's Modular KDE (by Ed Borasky on 2006-03-28 04:20:13 GMT from Tualatin, United States)
"You talk about KDE being too bloated, but then you mention Gentoo. Seems you don't know much about Gentoo, else you'd know that Gentoo offers to install KDE as split packages, where you can choose every single bit of software you like or don't like."
Yes, I'm a raving Gentoo fan and I'm well aware that KDE is (sort of) modular. However, I don't know much about which pieces are necessary and which aren't. Is there some "KDE installation menu" that lets you pick and choose?
45 • FluxBox and IceWM? (by Ed Borasky on 2006-03-28 04:24:21 GMT from Tualatin, United States)
"XFCE4, huh? Wait till you learn to use IceWM and Fluxbox.
Hint: keybindings..."
Actually, I have tried Fluxbox and IceWM briefly. I actually liked Fluxbox, except that I couldn't figure out how to make the fonts big enough to read. I don't remember much about IceWM, except that I thought Fluxbox was better.
But hey, I'm regularly running TWM with VNCViewer -- does it get any lighter than that?
46 • Jerry Taylor and his 22 years IT experience... (by MoscowTime on 2006-03-28 05:53:04 GMT from Moscow, Russian Federation)
This type of people is quite common. Started as a supplies buyer, got an MBA, then a good position in sales, supplies or contracts department in a computer related company - military contracts would be an ideal position - then going into politics...
His actual computer experience = 0. His opinion about other people = negative. Multiply the one and the other and you get -0, which was clearly seen in the E-Mail exchange.
Finally, he has not even got the hint that he should compensate the CentOS people the long distance phone expenses, incurred by his ignorance and insolence. But for this he is too aristocratic, he wouldn't go down to these mean commoners.
47 • fedora 5 (by mcg on 2006-03-28 08:30:14 GMT from Espoo, Finland)
whit is the use of selinux if you can not enable it while booting,because when enabled it doesn't let the daemons to be started.well i know you have to add selinux=0 but then it is not active.what happened to the p2date?
48 • Racism, Sexism and offending others...and Mepis/Ubuntu. (by Andy on 2006-03-28 10:02:09 GMT from Helsinki, Finland)
The reaction from some readers to the Geek Girl article serves only to illustrate that there is WAY too much hand-wringing politically-correct angst around these days.
The article was CLEARLY light-hearted and non-serious and absolutely did not deserve this kind of over-reaction. People, please: Get a life.
Oh and will someone please tell me when the world suddenly changed so that we are all now endowed with the right to be offended about every darned thing. Good grief, when I was a child, if people insulted or teased us to our faces, we would reply "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will NEVER hurt me".
But now, everyone is up in arms about the most harmless remarks.
Sadly, we are talking about the erosion of fundamental freedoms of speech and thought by the (probably well-intentioned but entirely misplaced) demand not to offend anybody.
Changing the subject to something actually related to Linux distros, I would like to reply to the comment asking why anyone would fork out $14.99 for Mepis when Ubuntu is free. The point is that Mepis is also free. There is no obligation to pay, you simply wait until each version is released to the mirrors. The fee is only for priority access and those who actually feel the developers deserve some small reward for their efforts. Once the new SimplyMepis 6.0 is released it will be available in the same way.
Finally, I agree that using such subjective criteria as "ease of installation" and "ease of use" for ranking distros is asking for trouble, although I concede that making use of such concepts as broad generalisations would probably give some idea but very little granularity.
49 • Re: the Gentoo way (by Ariszló on 2006-03-28 10:19:27 GMT from Szeged, Hungary)
For example, i've installed just 50 (of over 300) KDE packages and i got everything i need for a full KDE desktop with no limits but without any unneeded stuff. Bloated? Not at all. This is what they call "the Gentoo way" and i guess that other distros will follow sooner or later, because the full KDE install with all and everything is really insane.
50 • Re: the Gentoo way [cont.] (by Ariszló on 2006-03-28 10:21:28 GMT from Szeged, Hungary)
Debian can't follow because it did so even before Gentoo was conceived.
51 • RE: Mepis Advantage in switching to Ubuntu (by Erik on 2006-03-28 10:33:41 GMT from Dresden, Germany)
>>apt-get dist-upgrade
>>
>>will hopefully not kill your distro.
Using mixed sources breaks apt-get.
Debian has actually three "distros": stable, testing and unstable.
Stable is the official release, testing and unstable are development branches.
You should choose only one and stick with it. Then
apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
works just fine.
The same applies to Ubuntu: don't mix hoary, breezy and dapper sources or
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
will kill your distro.
With both, Ubuntu and Debian, it's highly recommended that you use the latest official release, not a development branch. Debian is mainly a server distro, although it also has an unofficial backports repo http://backports.org/ for desktop users who want newer applications with their stable OS.
52 • Re:41 and 42-Thank you Spectre and Christopher ! (by Caraibes on 2006-03-28 11:29:26 GMT from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic)
Well, thank you for the tip, I will try it later on in the day, after work.
I was growing a bit tired of it and was feeling like giving up with Slackware as my main OS (I also have it instaled on another PC), but your posts gave me the stamina to try a little harder !
I just love the whole philosophy behind Slackware, simplicity, stable, solid, no bells and whistles...
But of course the user needs to do some homework (that´s me here !!!). It´s good to learn more, so it´s not bad....
Thanks for your encouragements !
53 • 49 & 50 (by AC on 2006-03-28 12:14:19 GMT from , United States)
Thank you for pointing that out before I got around to it.
54 • 48 (by AC on 2006-03-28 12:22:58 GMT from , United States)
People have the right to be offended by whatever offends them. It's called freedom of thought. They have a right to express their offense. It's called freedom of speech. You seem to be advocating these only for some, i.e. those who want to say whatever they like without being criticized for it. If you think people are overeacting, say so. And I shall feel free to say that it is better for GNU/Linux advocacy that people of all genders, ethnicities, religions, etc., feel welcome and to point out when something strikes me as unwelcoming. If you disagree, you have the right to say so of course. But if you throw up "free speech" when no one was advocating censorship and when you seem to be questioning whether others have or should have the same rights, expect to be taken for a fool.
55 • The Podcast rocks (by Tom Arnold on 2006-03-28 13:52:06 GMT from Muenster, Germany)
Hello,
i just wanted to say that i like the podcast. And i like the new extra infos. But stick a little more to that newscaster theme.
Cheers
- Tom -
56 • KDE 3.5 .. SUSE/Fedora/Mepis (by winsnomore on 2006-03-28 15:57:09 GMT from Morganville, United States)
I have tried them all ..
KDE 3.5.1 seems buggier than ever before, after 2+ years I am thinking of trying gnome.
Suse 10.1(beta) routines terminates session (with NO user input .. just idle system ) .. this is truly bad .. even NT never did that :-)
Fedora .. kills firefox sessions .. abruptly .. for no obvious reason (Ajax seems to hurt it more than anything else).
Mepis - became incomplete, it used to be a great distro. Warren, it appears to me, has started hiding packages .. and just to correct some posts, Mepis is NOT pure debian .. but neither is ubuntu ..
57 • Donation (by Thierry Henry on 2006-03-28 17:44:14 GMT from London, United Kingdom)
Tuxmachine (a brilliant Linux review site) is appealing for cash, for a new test machine. Maybe the next Distrowatch donation could go to them?
http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/5859
58 • Re: advocating censorship (by Ariszló on 2006-03-28 21:52:34 GMT from Budapest, Hungary)
AC writes: But if you throw up "free speech" when no one was advocating censorship and when you seem to be questioning whether others have or should have the same rights, expect to be taken for a fool.
Advocating political correctness in its extreme form may be more harmful to free speech than advocating censorship. Humor helps getting rid of prejudices. PC conserves them as taboos.
59 • 58 (by AC on 2006-03-28 22:07:06 GMT from , United States)
Well, I don't know if I was advocating an "extreme form" of "political correctness" by simply posting an alternative perspective on the article in question and suggesting why that sort of thing could be potentially harmful, but I also know of no traditional conception of free speech that includes freedom from criticism in what one says or calls for the abolition of ettiquette. I find such nonsense no place in the writings of America's founders or the writers of the Enlightenment. And ettiquette, not "political correctness" is what this is, because this is not a college campus and no one is being made to take sensitivity classes or being threatened with expulsion. (I actually oppose such speech codes on campuses, by the way.)
I also know of no sociological or psychological data demonstrating that humor helps remove prejudice (perhaps you could enlighten me here) and I don't see anything wrong with taboos, per se. All socieities have them and they support social cohesion. Some may be silly and a few may be harmful, but taboos as such do no harm and may help.
60 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-28 22:29:44 GMT from , United States)
Incidentally, you used the word "advocating", which I did as well, but given that you are likely not a native English speaker (whose English is no doubt immeasurably better than my Magyar), I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and offer you some clarification: "advocating" a view or a course of action is also free speech. Even advocating censorship. Or speech codes. (Neither of which I support.) Instituting censorship or wielding some coercive power to enforce a speech code actually abridges free speech, so those are another matter entirely. The "harm" caused by people advocating any of those things (apparently you agree that some speech can be harmful) must be addressed by more speech because the alternative is to embrace the very practices you oppose. But then you have to grant the legitimacy of speaking out against particular kinds of speech. Which is precisely what I am doing.
61 • KOffice in Fedora 4 and 5 (by Ariszló on 2006-03-29 09:14:52 GMT from Szeged, Hungary)
Are Fedora Core and Fedora Extras two distributions or one? According to the Fedora page at
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedora
there is no KOffice in Fedora Core 4 or 5.
http://fedoraproject.org/extras/4/i386/repodata/repoview/koffice-suite-0-1.4.2-2.fc4.html
http://fedoraproject.org/extras/5/i386/repodata/repoview/koffice-suite-0-1.4.95-1.fc5.html
yum install koffice-suite
62 • XFS (File system). and others FS... (by ANONYMOUS on 2006-03-29 16:57:53 GMT from Rohnert Park, United States)
Distrowatch, seems to indicate that theXFS file system is not supported anymore on the Opensuse 10.1 incoming release. IS that correct?
It seems that RedHat is not supporting well at all (does not work!) XFS for FC5, either.
Fortunately, UBUNTU the rising star of the Linux distros, as well Mandriva, both support not only XFS, but also JFS.
XFS has significant advantages: speed, very large files, and excellent utilities support (xfsdump, and other tools), including defragmenting, and is also features rich (ACL, metadata...)
My personnal feeling is that both NOVELL and REDHAT (+FEDORA) should reconsider their apparent decision to not support what is possibly the best file system available.
For RedHat to introduce yet another file system, may have some rationale, but I may say not being aware of them.
Anonymous.
63 • FC5, "5CD's to install" (by Anonymous on 2006-03-29 17:12:36 GMT from Rohnert Park, United States)
I have installed FC5 test 3 from a DVD, I forgot how/where I got the ISO, but it was quite easy!
So if you have a DVD writer, quite cheap theses days, you do not need 5 CD's to install FC5 !
Beside, I am not exactly blissed with FC5:
a) XFS just does not work (at least with FC5 test 3)
b) The speed is not so great
c) NVIDIA support for 3D is not there.
d) System management tools, are not at par with other Linux Distros,
SUSE and MAndriva are much better there.
e) Hardrware detection is not so great.
f) KDE support and use, not as good as expected.
At this time, I see little reason to switch from excellent SUSE 10.0 to FEDORA CORE 5, but I will give a shot with the next stable release,
I used to love Fedora all the way through FC4, but am wondering if it is not falling behing other distros...
The definition of what FC6 should be will be interesting.
.
64 • SUSE 10.1: disapointed by lack of XFS support, and XFCE support, too. (by Anonymous on 2006-03-30 23:24:34 GMT from Rohnert Park, United States)
Hello:
I am using Suse 10.0 with KDe 3.5.2, and XFS file system
The whole things is just excellent: stable, fast, easy to use.
So I am guessing that SUSE 10.1 (very similar!) will be a great distro.
Disapointement (major): SUSE 10.1 does not seem (as of today) to support the XFS file system. I hope this will be fixed by release time, because an upgrade would make my system incompatible !
Lack of support for the XFCE window manager system
I really like KDE, but I have to say that I would love to have the option to log with either of KDE and KCFE.
I have experience with XFCE, on FC5 and really love what they did: they went away from the "windows like" paradigm, and designed a very fast and very crisp GUI, with lean menus, and mouse right button submenus.
I hope that XFCE will be available, as an alternative windows manager for SUSe. And about Gnome, I am not using it anymore: it just does not provides what KDE and XFCE are providing, at least not now....
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65 • VideoLinux seems to of been take off the net (by msn connection on 2006-03-31 05:16:05 GMT from Concord, United States)
VideoLinux seems to of been take off the net, I bet either to do with the fact it used dvd stuff in it, or the faced microsoft did not like it
anyway their homepage has been disabled
66 • This is a link to kanotix with portage script that somewhat works (by msn connection on 2006-03-31 05:24:31 GMT from Concord, United States)
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=430103
67 • Yep smallville the boom (by smallville the boom on 2006-03-31 05:26:48 GMT from Concord, United States)
So who here in linuxville watches smallville fans yep maybe, maybe so
68 • Yes I am in the US but not Concord (by by the way on 2006-03-31 05:29:26 GMT from Concord, United States)
Yes I am in the US but not Concord Try the CA state in US
Ok I just wanted to say that that detection thing you got here does not work right
69 • A SUSE 10.1 beta 9 instead of RC1 ? (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-31 05:36:50 GMT from Roma, Italy)
That is what I am seeing in some SUSE mirrors. Unless they rename it before releasing.
70 • This Account Has Been Suspended,VideoLinux (by msn connection on 2006-03-31 05:36:55 GMT from Concord, United States)
its from VideoLinux , I guess this project finish for the final time, right that want this means the cops going after its makers for puting decoder software in it, maybe their go after distrowatch for support the project two, just another guess
This Account Has Been Suspended
Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible by emailing: support@eaziweb.org or sales@eaziweb.org
this is the message I get from their site someone did not want dvd linux support out again
71 • RE: #64 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-31 05:45:05 GMT from Roma, Italy)
Xfce4 for SUSE 10.0 is available from here:
ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/10.0-i386/RPMS.suser-ollakka
The easiest way to install is by using apt for SUSE.
72 • windows hasta lavista review (by kern_1 on 2006-04-01 16:49:00 GMT from Northampton, United States)
i just read the review of windows has ta lavista,well when little billie gates and all that money i guess you can put "spy ware" in windows,
however i find that is cause enough for any privacy loving human being to convert ot the land of the free this past october i downloaded an iso of linux burned on a cd and installed it on my hd(windows xp was still on my hard drive) when i installed the iso i got this message(the hard whare on this computer has changed since
windows was last installed please reactivate the key) at that point
i exttended my middle finger and told linux to completely format
my system. LINUX TILL THE DAY I DIE(long live tux!!)
73 • No subject (by winsnomore on 2006-04-02 00:21:03 GMT from Morganville, United States)
Story's Story is not even funny .. it's just high school banter.
This site is too good to have trash like this promoted .. but I guess if I can see Mohamands pic's .. I'll have to put up with Mr. Story.
74 • split KDE (no longer bloated) (by Oliver Lange on 2006-04-02 02:58:35 GMT from Sulzbach, Germany)
@ 50:
Interesting, does it work well ? (concerning updating)? However, this way i like KDE. :)
@44:
If you like, i can email you a good starter-list of packages for a slim KDE install. Maybe i should post this to some forum?
75 • Target audience of light-hearted fun (by Ariszló on 2006-04-02 11:45:54 GMT from Szeged, Hungary)
Don't read a story like that if you cannot relax.
76 • HLVW, Baby! (by Andy Axnot on 2006-04-02 12:53:00 GMT from Jamaica, United States)
I enjoyed this "review" a great deal. It would have been really hilarious, but it was, in places, just a little depressing. The DRM stuff, especially. Not Robert Storey's fault.
"After all, if you can't trust the FBI, who can you trust?"
Right.
Andy
77 • re 73 (by George on 2006-04-02 19:31:32 GMT from Indianapolis, United States)
I fully agree; the "review" was assinine and inane. It served no purpose other than make spoiled brats feel superior.
78 • 77 (by AC on 2006-04-02 21:46:26 GMT from , United States)
First, there's only one "s" in "asinine". Second, "asinine" and "inane" are synonyms, so using both could only have served as an attempt to impress with your vocabulary, which failed miserably due to the first error.
(I only correct spelling, et al, when someone is being a pompous ass.)
79 • #78 (by Tim on 2006-04-03 03:36:37 GMT from Denver, United States)
And that's ass with 2 s's!
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Star Labs - Laptops built for Linux.
View our range including the highly anticipated StarFighter. Available with coreboot open-source firmware and a choice of Ubuntu, elementary, Manjaro and more. Visit Star Labs for information, to buy and get support.
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