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1 • FreeBSD donation (by istoyanov on 2006-03-06 11:00:12 GMT from Bulgaria)
It's really great to see that FreeBSD has been received the February Distrowatch.com donations:)
Enjoyed the DWW as always, Ladislav!
Cheers!!!
2 • GPL License (by Jesse on 2006-03-06 11:21:42 GMT from Canada)
I read and re-read the quote in regards to the GPL. I don't
see anything particularly funny (or sad) about the text. While
I use GPLed software on a daily basis, I tend not to license my
own projects under the GPL for this reason. Most of the time
I do not want to limit the use of my code to open source projects
only.
I am of the opinion the GPL is restrictive in that it forces further
use of the GPL. I would rather leave my code license-less
and let other developers decide what is right for them.
3 • Mandriva One (by Michael Magua on 2006-03-06 11:22:26 GMT from South Africa)
I thought that's why we had PCLinuxOS? Mandriva are wasting their time I'm afraid. Who wants an old version of KDE (3.4.3) anyways?
4 • Click-N-Run-a-mile (by Samovar on 2006-03-06 11:51:47 GMT from United Kingdom)
Don't you just love those commercial goons trying to muscle in on the main attraction?!
Linux & co. are as much about avoiding another criminal OS rip off and eternal leverage by the cartel. Then there's Klik by probono for Knoppix and Kanotix, plus dotpup and pupget for Puppy, amongst others. It doesn't come any easier nor cheaper.
Robertson, Linspire and Ubuntu - shame on you.
5 • Klik needs more support (by mich on 2006-03-06 12:00:25 GMT from United States)
It would be great if Klik got more support for application software made easy on Linux, that way it puts CNR to shame. Probono and his team are doing a great job, but they need more help and testers. Klik is great because you just download it and run it, nothing else.
6 • Rubix (by Sampo on 2006-03-06 12:18:47 GMT from Finland)
Rubix sounds interesting. I've been playing lately with Frugalware, which is another fork from Slackware that also uses the pacman package manager from Arch, and I've found Frugalware to be a very solid distro. One apparent difference between these two distros is that Rubix seems to be i486 optimized while Frugalware is i686 optimized (like Arch).
The first release candidate of Frugalware's 0.4 release came out just last week and I was happy to notice that the installer now has an option for ADSL network configuration. Frugalware also has its own GUI tools for package management and service management. I found the package management GUI a bit slow and lacking in features but it's helpful in browsing the available packages.
I'll need to check out Rubix to see if it can give me as positive impression as Frugalware has already done. So far it seems to me that Frugalware successfully unites the best features from Slackware and Arch. However, I wouldn't recommed Frugalware to absolute Linux newbies because most of the system configuration is still done by editing config files.
7 • Click-N-Run for Ubuntu (by Wolfram Ravenwolf on 2006-03-06 12:21:23 GMT from Germany)
There's an even better alternative, which is available right now and truly free:
http://klik.atekon.de/ubuntu.php
If you don't know it already, I highly recommend you give it a try, it's the perfect add-on for Ubuntu. It's not a replacement for Apt, but a great addition. I'm using it to access the latest and greatest apps (e. g. Firefox, OpenOffice, etc.) which aren't readily available for Ubuntu.
8 • One of the Best OS so far IMHO, FreeBSD is getting the cash. (by Kensai on 2006-03-06 12:22:53 GMT from Puerto Rico)
Good for FreeBSD it is such a great OS.
In other matters I will try Rubix. I'm using Arch Linux at the moment, but want to see if Rubix has anything to offer to it's users. I've been watching the project but didn't caught my eye until now 1.0 is out.
9 • a small error (by linbetwin on 2006-03-06 12:23:18 GMT from Romania)
Good job again, Ladislav.
In the "Summary of expected upcoming releases", on 2006-03-31 there shoud be SUSE 10.1 RC, not 10.2.
10 • Rubix (by Benjamin Woods on 2006-03-06 12:34:51 GMT from Australia)
I have tried Rubix in the past, and found it a little dissapointing. It was basically Slackware with pacman, as it states it is going to be. But if you like pacman, then archlinux is pretty similar to slackware except for its package management. And frugalware (which I am using at the moment) does an EXCELLENT job of combining slackware and pacman.
All up, as Ladislav said, I had no urge to keep rubix once I installed it, which is strange because I was so keen to try it! On the other hand, I tried frugalware after that, and didn't expect much due to my recent experience with rubix, and it turned out great!
Also, FreeBSD is one of those things I have used and respect, but never commited to because I am just a little too uncertain. I feel comfortable with Linux, but always wonder if BSD could offer more. Currently I can't think of anything it could do that Linux doesn't do for me. Apparently the code is cleaner and I do like their licence better, but thats about it.
My $0.02
11 • "super accelerated" KNOPPIX (by gposter on 2006-03-06 12:53:36 GMT from Japan)
Pretty impressive! Can we see a similar (or faster) boot time with a standard HDD based distribution ?
Okajima-san ganbatte kudasai.
12 • Will it work or another coaster? (by sundar on 2006-03-06 12:59:10 GMT from Singapore)
In the past I have downloaded and burned image of Elive 0.4.1.
I did't work. What I had seen on the webpage was badcds are the cause of not booting. I download twice and made two coasters.
Hope that booting problem is solved in ELive 0.4.2. Have anybody tried Elive 0.4.2?
13 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-06 13:25:08 GMT from Finland)
very nice donation went to FreeBSD. children wake up there is a GREAT OS out there called FreeBSD.www.freebsd.org
14 • MachBoot video - impressive boot speed (by mike on 2006-03-06 13:52:34 GMT from United States)
I wonder how they get such fast boot times, especially if detecting hardware on-the-fly.
I could see getting this speed out of any LiveCD you wanted if each LiveCD vendor provided a tool that could be run (prior to burning/creating your LiveCD) that allowed a "pre-detection" process to determine all of the hardware in your system BEFORE creating the LiveCD, and then writing an ISO for a LiveCD targetted to your specific hardware - then, there would be hardly any need to "detect" anything during boot up since all would be known already. Same thing could be done for applications. Or, another option would be to have any LiveCD variant write a per-machine boot-sequence-hints to a keydrive after the first time it boots, and then the next time it boots it would no longer need to detect hardware that is not on the keydrive hint-list.
But, that still doesn't answer how MachBoot is doing it :)
15 • CNR (by wildpossum on 2006-03-06 13:56:48 GMT from Australia)
#4 chill out, nobody's holding a gun to your head forcing you to use a paid CNR system. If some customers (not me) find it useful and willing to pay for it, it's good luck for the provider so why not? Some people would rather spend some money and save some time. Linux and surounding software remain free, which is more than you can say for proprietary OSes. Meanwhile coders can still have fun inventing even easier Klik type software.
That Japanese 10 second boot is impressive. I'm waiting for details of how it's done.
16 • on GPL (by gino on 2006-03-06 14:41:39 GMT from Sweden)
It would be simply crazy if the GPL did allow people to do what they want with modified code. Nobody would ever use the GPL anymore, and the free software experience would stop immediately. Who doesn't want to use the GPL has a very simple choice: don't use it, and don't use GPL licensed code as a base for software writing.
Anyway, the "funny" argument about the "strongly infectious" GPL looks like a perverse misinterpretation of serious work made by those law scholar, as Boyle and Lessig, who analyzed the GPL history of success referring to its "viral" nature: everything that gets in contact with GPL licensed code becomes GPL. But that is the great of GPL. It is what free software is made of. Without that restriction there simply would not be free software at all.
17 • I don't like CNR idea (by towsonu2003 on 2006-03-06 14:57:51 GMT from United States)
I am an Ubuntu user, and I don't like this idea at all. Posted http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=797786#post797786 including the quote from #4 / Samovar's quote.
18 • at #15 (by towsonu2003 on 2006-03-06 15:01:32 GMT from United States)
Linux and surounding software remain free: when commercial applications are the topic, openoffice and all those crucial free (as in Linux) applications became "Linux and surounding software remain free" ;)
I don't like capitalist CEOs drroling after popular (also populist?) Linux distros.
Ps. Ubuntu user here. Spent 10 minutes learning how to install the stuff not available in the repos, thanks to the documentation team as well as the ubuntu wiki.
19 • Strongly Infectious Licenses (by Ed Borasky on 2006-03-06 15:22:50 GMT from United States)
Well ... I find the concept of strongly infectious license neither funny nor sad. In the legal realities today in the USA, it is simply a fact of life. The GPL *does* in fact limit the freedoms of its users and *does* infect other software that it touches.
Maybe it's different in other countries with different legal systems and different economic realities, but here in the USA it is a *big* problem! Perhaps RMS sees things differently, but in the corporate world, where over 90 percent of us earn out living in a business structure known as an accountability hierarchy, billions of dollars and thousands of jobs are at risk because of the GPL!
20 • FreeBsd 6.0 (by William Johnson on 2006-03-06 15:46:50 GMT from United States)
In contrast to the kiss-butt reviews in the popular online
Linux sites, techiemoe.com gives the brutal truth on
many distros. His closing comment in his review of FreeBsd 6.0 exactly matches my experience with it.
"Who's it best for?
It's BSD. What can I say? If you revel in complex installs, don't mind having a worthless CDROM drive, like the quickly-corporatizing image, eat blood sausage, or don't expect to get any real working or gaming done on your computer, give it a go. If the above applies to you I also might have a prime piece of real estate in Brooklyn to sell you. The rest of you, please stay away."
This thing is light years behind PCLinuxOS .92 .
21 • icons (by Relativ at 2006-03-06 15:58:13 GMT from United States)
Hello,
Ladislav, thanks for all the wonderful info and all you do.
I have one complaint though. WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE ICONS?? On this page and on the main page, if a story was about SUSE, for instance, you saw a SUSE logo... now only the text.??/
I know it is silly, but I REALLY miss those icons. Please bring them back...
Rel
22 • FreeBSD (by |TG|Mateo on 2006-03-06 16:07:07 GMT from United States)
Very nice donation to FreeBSD.
I haven't played with it much, but it seems like people are starting to gravitate toward *bsd....which seems like a good thing.
23 • Gentoo (by tom on 2006-03-06 16:20:01 GMT from United States)
After all the hype I downloaded the Gentoo live.
I had horrible luck. I am no willing to configure X just to try a live CD give me a break.
It seems the Genotoo staff remain as arrogent as always (from last weks posts).
I can not understand the popularity and do not plan to try this distro in the future.
24 • 2 & 19 (by Anonymous on 2006-03-06 16:22:02 GMT from United States)
Maybe reading the linked Groklaw article would spell out the sad/funny part of it. That quote was not from a representative of Wasabi systems. It was from a representative of Microsoft, whose software is of course so very easy to modify without running into any legal difficulties at all.
25 • RE: #20 (by Uncle Peng on 2006-03-06 16:28:55 GMT from Germany)
Heh, heh. That techiemoe.com guy couldn't figure out how to mount cdrom under FreeBSD, how to mount usb-stick under Debian or how to configure X11 under Arch... A real techie, indeed. Heh, heh, hee... :*D
26 • ROTFLMAO (by Anonymous on 2006-03-06 16:29:39 GMT from United States)
From uncyclopedia:
SABDFL, Some African Bought Debian For Loosechange
Thanks for sharing this stuff!
27 • Uncle Peng (by Anonymous on 2006-03-06 16:39:38 GMT from United States)
What do you expect from someone who seems to see PCLinuxOS as Linux at its best? I'm not sure which does more to dumb down the Unix community, the idea that everything should be done automatically or the idea that you become an expert by trying 30 distros in 30 days rather than by digging into one and figuring out how to solve those problems. It's not like installing that many different distros isn't just as much work as getting one of them to do all that you want.
No, this isn't a "there are too many distros" rant. Choice is wonderful. But make a choice and stick to it for awhile. You'll learn a lot more.
28 • CNR and value (by Andrew Yeomans on 2006-03-06 17:03:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
CNR could really add value if it became a central source of the commercial Linux software that was only available for money. For example, CAD-CAM, accounting, fonts, games, legal codecs (yes, the legal status sometimes matters for corporate adoption).
It's much less value for the free software that's already in the central repositories. And I'm not sure I want to pay $20 or $50 a year for the privilege of being able to buy from CNR, most shops don't charge an entrance fee!
29 • Comments/comparisons of FreeBSD with GNU/Linux (by W. Andrson on 2006-03-06 17:12:58 GMT from United States)
Many commentors miss the point of preference, and compare apples to oranges.
FreeBSD (generic) can be more accurately compared to Debian 3.1 Sarge as to complexity of install and configuration - without an "easy" point and click Desktop interface.
However there are now several "Graphical" FreeBSD distros - including PCBSD, DesktopBSD and FreesBIE - which are more comparable and (and generally functionally equivalent) to PCLinuxOS, Mepis, Suse 10,etc.
Beside, in almost all circumstances there are inevitably advantages to one over the other for some function/purpose.
30 • Hardware Detection (by Steve Graham on 2006-03-06 17:48:12 GMT from United States)
Looking for the LiveCD Linux with the best new hardware detection.
Any recommendations?
TIA, Steve
31 • GPL infectious? YES - it is the golden Midas's finger!! (by Boris on 2006-03-06 17:55:14 GMT from Russian Federation)
Everything touched by GPL turns to gold. And inherits this property.
Who doesn't see it - o.p.e.n your eyes, p.l.e.a.s.e !!!
32 • @Ed Borasky (by gnobuddy on 2006-03-06 18:09:13 GMT from United States)
Here's the thing that so many seem to overlook about the GPL. Living in modern cultures completely focussed on business profits and individual wealth, many people are unable to comprehend that there is a higher ideal, one that predominated for centuries before the arrival of extreme capitalism.
That ideal is this: do what is best for the common good. Not what is best for the individual, not what is best for business, not what is best for maximum profit - but what is best for humanity at large, in the long run.
That is what the GPL does for software. Individual developers may make less money off GPL software; corporations may do likewise; but the fruits of their labour remain available to humanity at large. Individuals and corporations die, lose interest, get bought out; their software creations live on to benefit humankind.
The GPL does not reward individual greed. Hang on with teeth and claws to your pet GPL project, keep the community from participating, and someone will fork it, create a community, and develop it as it should be developed. Once again, the self-interested single developer or developer group loses, humanity at large gains.
It's really that simple. Look at the GPL through eyes trained to see only the possibility of maximum profit, as Microsoft does, and it looks like a dangerous virus that "infects" your software. Look at the same GPL through enlightened eyes, and the GPL is the software equivalent of "love thy neighbour as thyself".
-Gnobuddy
33 • hardware detection (30) (by ray carter at 2006-03-06 18:52:12 GMT from United States)
Knoppix is still the Live CD by which others are measured.
34 • There is another "one click" project also in the works (by dragonopolis on 2006-03-06 19:16:35 GMT from United States)
Remember those Symphony OS people. They have a side project called apt-plus (One click). It's still in developement but according to their forum and news page seems to be moving along nicely. There is hints that it will be available for other apt using distros but who knows. Symphony OS has repeatedly said they want to create their own distro rather than another window/desktop manager and may keep it their own to stand out amoung the other distros (like they need to). Symphony OS is still in the early stages of developement so anything can happen. Still, it doesn't hurt to check out their site if you haven't already. Their desktop is web base so anybody with Ajax, java, or mozilla firefox developement knowledge as well as the norm will probably be appreciated.
35 • Great issue (by Rohan Dhruva on 2006-03-06 19:28:02 GMT from India)
Wow, a really nice issue, and more humourous that usual, especially the uncyclopedia stuff ;)
Anyway, imo, synaptic is easy enough, why does on need CNR ?
Machboot : I will really like it if i can get 10 seconds bootup on my piii 550mhz, 256mb ram. Right now, arch and frugalware can do it in 57 seconds.
Rubix : I have yet to try this one, but a simple question ? Why rubix when you have frugalware ? Frugal is basically slack + pacman.
This is the kind of redundancy that makes it hard for a new user to make the appropriate choice.. :(
Rohan.
36 • To GPL or whatever (world economics, male/female...) (by brodders on 2006-03-06 19:44:25 GMT from United Kingdom)
Someone remind me. There was a strategy game somewhere, where people could secretly decide to use 1 of 3 play styles:
1. , or
2. , or
3. .
Forget what it was called.
Bottom line - they all did OK, sort of. The players found other people kept away, the guys found others sometimes shared, sometimes ripped them off - and the traders did OK once they learnt who the 'ers were. Each tended to get about 1/3rd of the resources.
Anyhow the moral was - people get used to your play & adapt their style / treat you accordingly.
So it all boils down to - how clean do you feel your morals are? What morals do you want?
This makes sense.
Yet all I ever see is a split between male / female archetypes. This works for religion, econo-politics and culture:
male: explore, discover, take, strive, fight, dominate, win, stand-on-your-own-2-feet, crush the other
female: nurture, build, care, teach, grow, share, commune, help-each-another, enjoy the other
It's difficult to get a balance. The old, the sick (and babies?) would die, abandoned under maxed-out male cultures; there would be little new innovation or growth under a female-maxed out.
These are of course stereotypes. But in general it works for fascism / communism, Cult of Thuggee / Buddism etc. Humanity tends to polarise by gender role – and give it a fancy name.
Like proprietary / GPL.
And all systems work – if the people in the system agree, or tolerate, making it work. It's all a common delusional style... until it gets so bad people decide to overturn their leaders 'cause they've gone nuts, gone too far.
So... anyhow... what morals do you want? That's the choice.
brodders
37 • Oh No! (by brodders on 2006-03-06 19:47:49 GMT from United Kingdom)
Oh No!
The comments engine has chopped my 1,2,3 points out! Here it is again... ahem.
Someone remind me - there was a strategy game somewhere, where people could secretly decide on 1 of 3 play styles:
1. grab everything
2. share everything and
3. trade if the other guy co-operates.
Forget what it was called.
Bottom line - they all did OK, sort of. The grab everything players found other people kept away, the share everything guys found others sometimes shared, sometimes ripped them off - and the traders did OK once they learnt who the grab everything'ers were.
Anyhow the moral was - people get used to your play & adapt their style / treat you accordingly.
So it all boils down to - how clean do you feel your morals are? What morals do you want?
This makes sense.
Yet all I ever see is a split between male / female archetypes. This works for religion, econo-politics and culture:
male: explore, discover, take, strive, fight, dominate, win, stand-on-your-own-2-feet, crush the other
female: nurture, build, care, teach, grow, share, commune, help-each-another, enjoy the other
It's difficult to get a balance. The old, the sick (and babies?) would die, abandoned under maxed-out male cultures; there would be little new innovation or growth under a female-maxed out.
These are of course stereotypes. But in general it works for fascism / communism, Cult of Thuggee / Buddism etc. Humanity tends to polarise by gender role – and give it a fancy name.
Like proprietary / GPL.
And all systems work – if the people in the system agree, or tolerate, making it work. It's all a common delusional style... until it gets so bad people decide to overturn their leaders 'cause they've gone nuts, gone too far.
So... anyhow... what morals do you want? That's the choice.
brodders
38 • No subject (by tdatb on 2006-03-06 19:53:20 GMT from United States)
Anybody know why Trinity Rescue Kit uses a 45rpm record adaptor as it's symbol? Strange.......
39 • Trojan Distros (by rglk on 2006-03-06 20:02:44 GMT from United States)
I haven't heard anything about Trojan distros, i.e. Linux live CD's or HD installable distros that come with rootkits or trojans installed from the outset and are distributed by malicious hackers or criminal elements. With close to 500 active distros in the DW database, there have got to be a few that are laced in this fashion.
Many live CD's are run as root and allow you to access other partitions on your system (e.g. Windows and other Linux OS's) that may contain valuable information. An infected live CD would be an easy vector for a malicious hacker to get a backdoor into the OS that's being used as the main day-to-day OS on the system.
I've come across many distros here on DW that provide hardly any information about their developers. For all we know they could be an Internet crime ring.
How do you deal with this? Stay away from distros that originate in parts of the world that are known to be common sources of Internet crime? But that too could be spoofed. What are your thoughts on this matter?
Perhaps this is an issue that Ladislav should write an editorial about.
Robert
40 • #27 (by Michael Magua on 2006-03-06 20:18:51 GMT from South Africa)
27 • Uncle Peng (by Anonymous on 2006-03-06 16:39:38 GMT from United States)
What do you expect from someone who seems to see PCLinuxOS as Linux at its best? I'm not sure which does more to dumb down the Unix community, the idea that everything should be done automatically or the idea that you become an expert by trying 30 distros in 30 days rather than by digging into one and figuring out how to solve those problems. It's not like installing that many different distros isn't just as much work as getting one of them to do all that you want.
No, this isn't a "there are too many distros" rant. Choice is wonderful. But make a choice and stick to it for awhile. You'll learn a lot more.
Hi you're very wrong... I'm actually an Arch Linux user. The message I was trying to get across was that Mandriva have a habbit of releasing old versions of software. I'm willing to bet Mandriva 2007 will have KDE 3.5.1 while the rest of us have KDE 4.0. Maybe you don't follow their releases, if you did you'd notice. And besides, PCLinuxOS has done an amazing job. Their packages are always current. You don't have to pay. Think about it.
Bye.
41 • linux is here to stay no matter what (by american real mortgage corp on 2006-03-06 20:21:21 GMT from United States)
linux is here to stay no matter what
42 • Ubuntu and CNR (by Anonymous on 2006-03-06 20:25:10 GMT from United States)
"Anyway, imo, synaptic is easy enough, why does on need CNR ?"
Synaptic is easy enough, but no money to be made if people use it. It's just a matter of time before the smell of money hits Shuttleworth and Ubuntu goes non-free. All the users that think Ubuntu will close shop before they charge for anything, remember, money corrupts. Shuttleworth is no George Washington. Ubuntu is a fine distro and I actually enjoy using it, but a few years from now there will people who argue that they you should pay $25 for Ubuntu and then $50 and so on. And if they don't charge for it, it'll die off. Mac OsX is my main desktop and I know going into it that it will cost me $129 and it's far ahead of Ubuntu on the desktop.
43 • CNR and cooperation (by wildpossum on 2006-03-06 20:30:28 GMT from Australia)
What I find interesting is that those who want repositories to remain free forget a missing last sentence. Repositories (and other FLOSS developments) require work, whether volunteer or paid. The risk of burnout is very real in the FLOSS world. So if you don't like a world of "capitalists", then lend a hand with the alternatives, whether by volunteer work or by donations.
There's a lot of talk about how good sharing is, etc. All very true. The last part of the sentence needed is changing the "they should", "they should not", or worse, "you should not", to "I should".
44 • GPL is infections. (by Dhonn on 2006-03-06 20:48:09 GMT from United States)
Proprietary applications must use non-infections LGPL. Good thing for proprietary application developers.
45 • slackware 10.3 (by Anonymous on 2006-03-06 20:55:37 GMT from United States)
anybody know when new SLACKWARE might come out? 10.3?
46 • @ post #42 (by Gnobuddy on 2006-03-06 21:04:55 GMT from United States)
It's just a matter of time before the smell of money hits Shuttleworth and Ubuntu goes non-free.
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Umm - you do know Shuttleworth is already a multi-millionaire? That he made his money writing software that relied on Linux and other Free software to run? That he donated ten million dollars of his personal fortune to Ubuntu as seed money to get it started and running? That he stated in so many words that he feels he owes it to give something back to the FLOSS community?
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Shuttleworth is no George Washington.
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I take it that means Shuttlworth was not a blundering general, a drunk, a person who married for money, or a slave owner.
Thank goodness Shuttleworth isn't much like Washington!
-Gnobuddy
47 • Elive Version Designation (by Rob Morehouse on 2006-03-06 21:34:05 GMT from United States)
The best exiting distro of my favorate window manager has named its latest and greatest version after my favorate movie!
48 • re:40 (by Anonymous on 2006-03-06 21:34:55 GMT from United States)
Miguel,
Actually, I was responding to Uncle pengu's comments about techiemoe.com and didn't take any issue with your remarks concerning Mandriva and PCLinuxOS. Sorry if that was unclear.
btw, I've never used Mandriva and never plan to. I use Debian, NetBSD, Gentoo, and LFS.
49 • Distrowatch Weekly coverage (by Lucho on 2006-03-06 21:35:14 GMT from Brazil)
About FreeBSD: I have no personal experience with it, but from
what I've heard others say, the donation is well spent.
About Uncyclopedia.org: LOL, that made my day!
Here's a question for DW weekly, though. This isn't a rant, flame, nor
fanboy raving, but isn't it about time to give some attention to what's
going on here in Brazil? Figures for the results of the gov's "PC para
todos (PC for everybody)" have drawn attention - sales of Linux equipped
PCs vs Windows equipped PCs (Let's not mention Wndows Starter edition
itself) -as well as the number and quality of distros like Kurumin, Kalango,
Dreamlinux, Goblinx, Big Linux,etc. DW weekly recently gave excellent coverage to Linux in Iran, but otherwise always seems to talk about the same group of distros. Perhaps it's time to take a look at the work being done outside of SUSE, Debian, Mandriva, and Ubuntu.
I don't want to start a flamewar, just my $.02 on the matter.
50 • Infectious Licences (by Joao Enes on 2006-03-06 22:04:24 GMT from Portugal)
I guess you're missing the point about the argument. It is funny, sad and absurd because it uses the fact that you can only use code released under some open source licenses (GPL) if you release the result code under the same licence to defend the use of closed source software that forbids the use of the source in any way.
51 • #30 (by Tom on 2006-03-06 23:15:25 GMT from United States)
The best "live" CD I have tried for hardware detection has been Kanotix
52 • Machboot! (by Dan MacDonald on 2006-03-06 23:20:26 GMT from United Kingdom)
Whoah!
That machboot video really impressed me.
It was only last year that the major distros started making a concentrated effort toward improving linux's lacklustre loading lag (erm.. boot time). There are a few projects with the same aim I've seen under development but it looks like machboot has come out of nowhere and surpassed most peoples expectations- 10s boot off a CDROM!!?? Congratulations to the developer(s) for nailing one of the few remaining issues where Linux has long looked a bit pap in comparison to billy boy's boxes.
Just in the last few weeks I've been treated to getting xgl working under dapper drake and also finding DeVeDe- a fantastic, very easy to use tool for making DVDs from one or more video files. The number of reasons for people to being locked into win is dwindling rapidly. 2006 has already been a great year for linux and there is obviously lots more great stuff to come- machboot and KDE 4.0 being the most eagerly awaited by me.
53 • About Rubix (by Kensai on 2006-03-06 23:31:28 GMT from Puerto Rico)
As I reported in some of the first posts I was going to test Rubix. What I have to say is just WOW! it will keep me using at least 1 more day to keep discovering it's stability. Is very clean simple stable and secure and well customized I see the developers took some attention to details. Firefox is well customized to show you the latest rubix news and the latest packages. In next weeks DWN I'll report If it kept me interested me for a week.
54 • printer friendly (by dicrapio on 2006-03-06 23:59:36 GMT from United States)
i've posted this before so sorry to bring it up again, but is there a printer friendly option for DWW that im missing? or is there non at all?, it'd be pretty handy since i'd rather read a paper copy rather than from the monitor whenever i can. thank you.
55 • Accelerated Knoppix (by Joe P on 2006-03-07 01:05:01 GMT from United States)
Regular Knoppix boots fine on my hardware but the Accelerated version didn't boot on either PC. Hangs and I tried cheatcodes too. I would rather have a slow reliable boot than a fast trip to a lockup.
At least DW reports some distros concentrating on improving the program install process (whether through package types or online repositories) and others concentrating on hardware detection and boot speed. When these come together we will have a great alternative to MS.
56 • Re: #12, Elive (by Andy Axnot on 2006-03-07 01:43:45 GMT from United States)
Sundar, I just downloaded and burned Elive 0.42, booted fine. I can't say I was overly impressed, but as a live CD, it does work.
Andy
57 • Knoppix Gpl? (by LEG on 2006-03-07 03:25:33 GMT from Costa Rica)
Why in the knoppix news they tell that v5.0 is not intended for the public, so that mean cebit ver5.0 is not gpl?, and that is ilegal to download it?
58 • Machboot (by Allan on 2006-03-07 03:33:32 GMT from Australia)
That video looks too good to be true. I hope I am wrong but, if it is possible, why has no HD-installed distro (which doesn't have the same detection overhead or slow drive to hold it back) come even close to that performance?
59 • RE: 57 Knoppix Gpl (by ladislav on 2006-03-07 04:22:19 GMT from Taiwan)
The CeBIT edition of Knoppix is released under the GPL, but it won't be available from the official Knoppix servers and mirrors. Knoppix 5.0 for general public will likely be released several weeks after CeBIT. In the past, some of the users who attended CeBIT, LinuxTag, etc. created torrent files and ISO images for public download, but this wasn't officially sanctioned by Knoppix.
60 • Licenses (by x on 2006-03-07 04:23:22 GMT from United States)
If the GPL is perceived as infectious, then proprietary licenses are outright pandemic. Try to modify and redistribute M$ products. For that matter just try to fix a few of the problems and see what happens. If you do not like the GPL, then do not use it. It is possible to produce proprietary software that runs under the Linux family of operating systems, but less money is spent on R&D developing and improving software with the GPL. Most of the revenue in the software industry is in maintenance. People are begining to discover that the subscription system offers mostly glitter and security issues just keep growing. I believe that millions of programmers will make money with GPL'ed software. Investment bankers may make as much as they do with proprietary software, but then they make most of their money off the backs of the innovators, rewarding only a few retaining very good attornies.
61 • DWW Podcasts (by Joe in Minneapolis on 2006-03-07 04:37:15 GMT from United States)
Great work, Shawn! Keep it up! Hope you're feeling better. :-)
62 • # 48 (by Michael Magua on 2006-03-07 04:59:55 GMT from South Africa)
48 • re:40 (by Anonymous on 2006-03-06 21:34:55 GMT from United States)
Miguel,
Actually, I was responding to Uncle pengu's comments about techiemoe.com and didn't take any issue with your remarks concerning Mandriva and PCLinuxOS. Sorry if that was unclear.
btw, I've never used Mandriva and never plan to. I use Debian, NetBSD, Gentoo, and LFS.
Ok then, my mistake.
Cheers.
63 • RE: #30 • Hardware Detection (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-07 08:12:36 GMT from Italy)
Definitely Kanotix. It overtook Knoppix a long time ago.
64 • The Podcast is great! (by Udo Melis on 2006-03-07 14:03:56 GMT from Germany)
I really appreciate it! Shawn, you do a really good job! I think the faster you are the higher the downloads will be ;-) ( Maybe you and Ladislav should sync the realease ) I didnt listen the last few weeks because i was very interested in the topics and i couldnt wait. And if you already read the DWW you will not listen to it again.
I like the podcast for a number of reasons:
I can do something else with my eyes and i dont have to sit in front of the puter.
I am interested in how some names are pronounced. ( Sometimes that is even funny ;-) )
I am a lazy bum and reading sucks :-) ( Huh, huh, if i wanted to read i´d go to school, huh, huh. )
Greetings from Germany!
65 • Shuttleworth (by Anonymous on 2006-03-07 18:02:04 GMT from Chestnut Hill, United States)
"Umm - you do know Shuttleworth is already a multi-millionaire?"
Yes I did. He didn't get there by being a goody, goody person. He will eventually tire of donating his hard-earned money.
"Thank goodness Shuttleworth isn't much like Washington!"
I picked George Washington randomly. You speak like you know Shuttleworth personally. How do you know he's not a drunk, a women beater, or a child molester? Adolf Hitler was a punctual man; vegetarian; never laid a hand on a woman; never drank; and an intellectual. I suppose he's a better pick to run the U.S. than Washington.
66 • Keep Up The Good Work! (by Casian on 2006-03-07 18:54:50 GMT from Romania)
Hey there, I'm a first time correspondant to you, just wanted you to know that I recently discovered your podcast and that it is really great. I knew about DistroWatch for a long time now, but didn't knew that it is available as an audio file I can download and play with my mp3 (or ogg) player. I don't have a perhaps so called "tipical podcast player", nor the money to buy one, but it is still great to be able to download your file and play it with Winamp (yes, I still use Windows :) at the time being). I was verry interested in Linux since my first computer (about 4 years ago), I have used it from time to time, played with it a bit, but I didn't had the time and energy to really get into it. Now I am more determined and I really want to give it a dead-serious try (well, sort of...:)). This is where your podcast comes into play, because is a great place to look at the distros momentum to choose one. For more as-to-say historical or philosophical reasons, I even consider to download the whole archive, or at least what I can find available on the site. So there is no need for you to just quit, because your work will always be appreciated, even if we're so busy that we can't get a free moment to write to you some words. Keep up the good work and may God bless you.
67 • DWW Podcast = great !!! (by Caraibes on 2006-03-07 20:14:03 GMT from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic)
I am just listening to this week´s DWW´s podcast, it´s a great idea, thanks to the guy who does it. Please pass it along to him that his work is appreciated.
68 • @Shuttleworth (by Gnobuddy on 2006-03-07 20:27:55 GMT from United States)
Anonymous wrote:
Yes I did. He didn't get there by being a goody, goody person. He will eventually tire of donating his hard-earned money.
You speak like you know Shuttleworth personally
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Nope, don't know the man, only what I've read about him. All of it has been pretty good. He made his money creating Thawte, the first Certification Authority to sell public SSL certificates to authenticate businesses on the 'Web. After selling Thawte to Verisign he became comfortably well off for the rest of his life. That doesn't exactly sound evil to me.
As for your comment that Shuttleworth will eventually tire of donating his hard-earned money to Ubuntu, I believe he has made it clear that his goal is to have his Linux businesses self-sustaining. That's not evil, that's the same goal anyone who starts a business has.
All I have to say is this: so far every action we've seen from this man has been indicative of an ethical person who wants to benefit mankind. He gives away free CD's, makes LTSP usable by people without years of Unix/Linux training, puts cheap CD-burning machines into stores so people without access to the Internet can burn Linux onto CD's, promised that Ubuntu will always be free, and gives back every line of Ubuntu code/patches to the Debian project.
Until we see evidence that he is secretly evil, what is the point of making that assumption? Or is this "guilty until proven innocent" ?
-Gnobuddy
69 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-07 21:10:10 GMT from Newton, United States)
"Until we see evidence that he is secretly evil, what is the point of making that assumption? Or is this 'guilty until proven innocent'?"
In business, guilty until proven innocent is the way to go. This isn't a court of law. We're talking about money here. Of course he has to prove his innocence or his benovolence. All new business have to prove themselves in the eyes of the consumer. The fact of the matter is, the man speaks as if Linux will take over the desktop world. I just don't see that happening. Shuttleworth has deep pockets, but when Microsoft and Apple shell out billions of dollars, I doubt he'll spend all his hard-earned cash just because he is good. Even if he did, it's chump change next to Microsoft or Apple. His goals and means don't match. Perhaps he isn't evil, but he will eventually have no choice but to charge people in order for his vision to have a chance. Otherwise, it will remain where it is now with a small following relatively speaking. This is common sense.
70 • Linux on the Desktop (by Anonymous on 2006-03-07 21:23:35 GMT from Newton, United States)
I have to agree with comment 69. Linux on the desktop stands no chance without the serious backing of Google, IBM, or some other large corporation. The problem is, most of these large corporations would have to take a huge risk and many if not all are not willing to take the plunge. I love Ubuntu and think it's a great distro, but no Linux distro will never hit mainstream unless it's backed by a large corporation willing to ante up the capital needed to push it forward. Quite frankly, I enjoy the Linux desktop userbase being small and don't think I'd want to see it hit mainstream.
71 • Backing of a large corporation for the Linux desktop? (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-07 22:48:23 GMT from Roma, Italy)
Could this be a beginning:
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/5436/
72 • @trojan distros (by gino on 2006-03-07 23:43:27 GMT from Kista, Sweden)
about comment #39
It's a very good idea. It would very interesting to read something about it.
73 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-07 23:57:05 GMT from , United States)
I see Distrowatch has now narrowed the location of posters' IP addresses. Perfect timing as well, given posts 69 and 70. ROTFLMAO.
I'm not certain Shuttleworth does see Linux taking over the desktop worldwide. Not any time soon anyway. More likely, it will happen in the developing world and in Europe before people in the US catch on. And given his other efforts, I suspect the developing world is just where he wants to start. http://www.hbd.com/
Working in markets where even RedHat and SuSE are expensive may be a good plan. And given that anyone who buys RedHat instead of CentOS is paying for the services and support, not the software, it doesn't seem far-fetched that giving the software away while selling the support and services could be a viable business model. Time will tell.
I don't think Shuttleworth is evil at all. I think as businessmen go, he's relatively conscientious and socially responsible. And creative. No, not a saint, not a great humanitarian, but relatively good.
I am not a fan of Ubuntu though. I like Debian better and I'd have preferred he pursue his goals without forking. But perhaps hat's not something his plans permit. And I do have serious misgivings about the proprietary software developed for Launchpad because it seems to me to seriously conflict with the Ubuntu Manifesto. But then, it's a "manifesto" and not a "social contract".
I'll stick with Debian. (Or Gentoo, another GNU/Linux with a clear social contract and a democratic organization.)
BTW, any remarks on my suggestion last month of whether having a social contract could be a useful search criteria on Distrowatch? Debian Gentoo, Source mage, any others?
74 • RE: #73 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 00:36:40 GMT from Roma, Italy)
"I see Distrowatch has now narrowed the location of posters' IP addresses. Perfect timing as well, given posts 69 and 70. ROTFLMAO."
It doesn't seem to work, because I am not in Rome. In fact I am very far away. Maybe my ISP is in Rome.
75 • RE: 74 (by ladislav on 2006-03-08 01:21:00 GMT from Taiwan)
I am just testing things after noticing that Maxmind has released a free edition of their GeoCity database. But they only claim about 60% accuracy, so many city detections will be wrong.
76 • RE: #75 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 03:55:26 GMT from Roma, Italy)
OK, thanks Ladislav.
77 • Live CD hardware detection (by Misty on 2006-03-08 04:12:45 GMT from Elizabethtown, United States)
Knoppix isn't just the live cd against which others are measured, it has one of the best hardware detection routines around. Many say Kanotix is just as good, but I haven't tried it myself.
78 • The Podcast Comment (by Ron Strenger on 2006-03-08 04:41:02 GMT from United States)
I guess this goes to Shawn Milo...
Let me be blundt and down to earth about my thoughts on this Podacast. Today is my first time listening in and I heard your concern about downloads dropping to half...
Dude, let me tell you... I use to be a radio show host, until I lost interest... so, I will tell you that you are putting me to SLEEP! You sound extremely robot-ish! It to me, sounds Blah Blah Blah... You sound like my instructional audio tapes that I NEVER listen to after buying them. Remember that song by Styx, Mr. Roboto? Hah!!
Now, don't get me wrong... the idea is a good one and I will share an idea with you, that will make your downloaded Podcasts SOAR!!
If you really want this to take off like MAD... this is what you've got to do...
Find another male-voiced host. One who might have a very good sense of humor. Then team up for your show and together, talk about your topics in a down to earth method, as though you are having a regular conversation with friends, leaving nothing out (other than unfamily-like verbage). Find a way to introduce humor into your show. Both of you talking like you've got a huge party going on, if you know what I mean. Just make it interesting. You know... like that car-talk show on the AM dial on the Saturdays. Ever hear it? They have HIGH ratings!! Listen in sometime and you will see what I am talking about. Don't know what station it would be in your city... I guess you will just have to wake up early on Staurday and listen in to AM and scan the dial to locate this show I'm talking about.
Just my two Sense (cents)... but if it remains like it is currently, to be honest... *I* won't be listening in for too long either.
So I hope this lets you in on some new insight on this topic.
79 • morons shouldn't do reviews (by blowtorch on 2006-03-08 06:09:40 GMT from United States)
Wow that techiemoe.com guy is a real moron. How can one claim to honestly review distributions when he never takes the chance to look at the wealth of documentation provided with it? For example both FreeBSD and NetBSD have awesome documentation that is linked to from the very FRONT PAGE of the website. You have to go through more trouble just to get the iso images than it takes to get to the handbook. Not knowing how to use basic parts of linux/bsd such as /etc/fstab is no excuse - I can assure you that you will not find it on the man page for mount! Thats like looking at the man page for ifconfig on a redhat/fedora system to figure out how to work with the /etc/sysconfig/network-scipts/ directory of files; its just the wrong place to look. Ironically searching for "mount cdrom freebsd" on google comes up with a result (the third one) that explains exactly how one would mount a cdrom drive under freebsd (who would have ever thought to look there).
80 • RE: #77 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 06:42:18 GMT from Roma, Italy)
"Many say Kanotix is just as good, but I haven't tried it myself."
Try it. You'll realize that it isn't just as good, but far superior.
It is also optimized for HD install. In about 20 minutes it gives you a fully configured Debian Sid.
81 • Kanotix (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 08:18:19 GMT from , United States)
I've used both and "realized" no such thing.
As far as hardware detection goes, I wouldn't call it "far superior" to Knoppix, but there are a few odd pieces of hardware that Kanotix will detect and Knoppix won't. For the majority of cases, Knoppix and Kanotix are just about equal on that score though.
For installing Debian sid, it's nice if you like the default selections. Personally, I wouldn't install either one but would instead debootstrap from the live system to a new - or newly partitioned - hard drive to get a fresh sid install. Then apt-get whatever else I might want. It's a much better way to go.
The user who finds that too tricky really has no business at all running sid anyway. Sid's for experienced and knowledgeable users. Kano gets Kanotix cleaned up nicely but once you start upgrading or adding packages, things break very quickly. (But apt-listbugs is your friend.) Less experienced users should run stable. If they're a bit more experienced and they're adventurous, try one of the official installer images for etch. (But wait for beta2 if you want to netinstall rather than use the first 1 or 2 CD images.)
As a general purpose live CD, one to be used as an emergency router, file or web server, penetration testing tool, forensics or rescue tool, or general purpose desktop, Knoppix wins, hands down. Even if you stick to Knoppix-Lite.
82 • Various distros: Aurox, Onebase linux, Libranet, Mandriva (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 08:43:14 GMT from Roma, Italy)
Aurox 11.1 has been released, as you can check here:
http://www.aurox.org/en/
On the other hand, judging by its forums, Onebase linux is barely alive.
Surprisingly (considering that it hasn't released in almost a year and its future is extremely uncertain), Libranet has still a very lively community.
As to Mandriva it seems that it is going to take the fourth place at the Page Hit Ranking and stay there (because Mepis is going down, and I believe it is a long time trend)
Isn't the world a place full of surprises? Mandrake/driva had been first for a very long time. Now its supporter say that it doesn't matter (but when they were first they reminded it to people at every occasion)
Finally my fav distro, Kanotix, gets hardly the recognition it deserves. But it seems to suit its developers, as they say they couldn't cope with a large influx of users.
83 • RE: #81 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 09:09:10 GMT from Roma, Italy)
"For installing Debian sid, it's nice if you like the default selections"
I do. I could hardly customize better myself. Conversely I don't like Mepis, especially the default desktop.
"The user who finds that too tricky really has no business at all running sid anyway. Sid's for experienced and knowledgeable users."
I agree only in part. I don't see why "experienced and knowledgeable users" shouldn't appreciate easy or fast installation methods. It is like Gentoo, you are a real user only if you perform a stage 1 install.
"Less experienced users should run stable. If they're a bit more experienced and they're adventurous, try one of the official installer images for etch."
Stable doesn't support every hardware. I have a different way: I install Debian with Kanotix and I pin it to testing. This way I can enjoy the many advantages Kanotix has to offer and still have relative stability.
"As a general purpose live CD, one to be used as an emergency router, file or web server, penetration testing tool, forensics or rescue tool, or general purpose desktop, Knoppix wins, hands down. Even if you stick to Knoppix-Lite."
That is of course your personal opinion. Many people would disagree. Ask for instance Robert Storey.
The only reason why Kanotix hasn't taken off as much as Knoppix is because it is perceived by many as a distro for Germans.
84 • RE: #81 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 09:32:47 GMT from Manoppello, Italy)
And besides I disagree that "Sid's for experienced and knowledgeable users." only. All you need is a decent knowledge of how dpkg, apt and aptitude work.
Sid is definitely more stable than most RPM distros.
As to apt-listbugs I used it in the past, but I stopped using it because it doesn't get updated very often.
85 • 84 (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 10:13:31 GMT from , United States)
"Personal opinion". It's not personal opinion that Knoppix is a better general purpose live CD, for the purposes listed. Just the fact that Kanotix doesn't include apache, mysql, php, or webmin, all of which are included in Knoppix, rules it out as an emergency web server, just one of the roles I mentioned. There's also no bind or sendmail. Do I need to go on?
Now if I said Knoppix was superior as JUST as desktop, I'd be expressing just a personal opinion. Kanotix is as good a desktop as any by any measure that isn't just about personal aesthetics and such. But if you want a live CD that can do just about ANYTHING, not just be a desktop, go with Knoppix.
(But as far as druthers go, I find the default desktop in MEPIS pretty ugly. Kanotix is better. Knoppix better still. But then I prefer GNOME and XFCE4.)
Is Kanotix "far superior" if we're just talking about desktop usage? I can see advantages, yes. But "far superior"? I don't see it. And anyway, you didn't specify desktop usage and I did specify "general purpose" and what that included.
As for installing Debian, of course, experienced and knowledgeable users can enjoy an easy and fast install. I didn't say otherwise. rather I said that if you NEED the easy install, you shouldn't be running sid. If you like the Kanotix defaults then of course there's no special reason you should use a more difficult method just because you're experienced. That would be daft.
How long have you tracked sid? I don't mean running sid then reinstalling when the latest is released, I mean day-to day, upgrading through partial and total freezes like prior to sarge's release, and through flood's of new packages as we've had more recently, and through ups and downs. On any given day, sid probably is more stable than many other distros, if by stable you mean "programs don't constantly crash or freeze or fail to run". But that's not what "unstable" means in Debian terms. "Unstable" refers to the fact that the system cannot be expected to behave consistently from one day to the next. That's because packages are regularly changing, but also because there is no guarantee that packages in unstable will conform to Debian policy. Including whether they'll modify the configurations an administrator has made. So, if you don't know how to edit config files and such by hand, you may be in for trouble. Or you may be lucky and not run into those problems.
Klaus Knopper is a German too and I've never heard anyone prefer Knoppix because Kanotix is for Germans. I've got nothing whatsoever against Kanotix. In fact, I've been impressed with it. But I find I use Knoppix more often and can use it for more things.
86 • 84 (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 10:25:01 GMT from , United States)
Try apt-listbugs -f to force it to access the BTS directly instead of the cache.
87 • 85 oops (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 10:36:43 GMT from , United States)
Knoppix doesn't have webmin either. I don't use it myself but I know many do and I assumed Knoppix had it but I checked and it doesn't.
88 • RE: #85, 86, 87 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 11:03:32 GMT from Roma, Italy)
"Is Kanotix "far superior" if we're just talking about desktop usage?"
The main superiority is that is optimized for HD install, while Klaus Knopper never intended Knoppix to be installed.
"How long have you tracked sid?"
For several years. Of course I have become more experienced with time.
But as I said my system is pinned to testing.
"Klaus Knopper is a German too and I've never heard anyone prefer Knoppix because Kanotix is for Germans."
Yes, but Klaus Knopper makes a separate English release and Knoppix has a large and lively English forum and community. The Kanotix forum keeps defaulting to German.
"Try apt-listbugs -f to force it to access the BTS directly instead of the cache."
OK, I will, thanks.
89 • Mepis 3.4.3 (by Caraibes on 2006-03-08 12:50:28 GMT from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic)
Well, I am a happy Ubuntu user these days, but since I have plenty of pc's to test distros, I gave a try to Simply Mepis 3.4.3.
I ran it live on my main system, and installed it on 2 other pc's. Old machines, 1 Via 796Mhz cpu with 256 ram, and 1 Duron 800Mhz with 512 ram.
Mepis litterally installed in 5mn with 512 ram, and less than 10mn with 256!!! I was really amazed.
Rebooted and everything was ready to go... The sound now works out of the box, contrary to version 3.3.1.
Skype is already instaled, in fact I used Skype from the live-cd when at a client's place, for the sake of diagnosticing bad sound drivers in winxp...
So that's it, I am still writing this from Breezy, with Opera 8.52, but I would definitly install Mepis on any client's pc's (providing the read a bit of english !!!)
90 • 88 (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 13:08:53 GMT from , United States)
I hope the apt-listbugs tip helps. It should track the Debian Bug-tracking System pretty closely. apt-listchanges is handy too, especially if you want to know when a configuration file may be changes.
"Optimized for HD install" dates back awhile, to when Knoppix was a mish-mash of stable, testing, and unstable, held together with duct tape and chewing gum, that worked fine from live CD but fell apart when installed. I believe 3.6 was one of the worst for this, although it was a marvellous live CD.
With the 4.0 series, that's not an issue. Knoppix is almost wholly sarge, save KDE, OOo, and his custom kernel. A HD install works really well.
We can agree to disagree about inexperienced users and sid. I tend to err on the side of caution when advising newcomers. The recent flood of packages into sid has been a lot smoother than the flood after woody was released, but things can always go wrong. But then I also provide assistance and support to a variety of people. Some pick up very quickly and with the enthusiasm I had starting out. They read the documentation I suggest and actually google for more. Some want assistance with every little thing and I shudder to think what would happen if they were running sid. YMMV.
91 • PS (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 13:47:25 GMT from , United States)
I may not consider Kanotix to be immensely better than Knoppix - or even as good in some cases - but that's mainly because Knoppix is so good. I'd still much rather see Kanotix in the top 10 than MEPIS. Or Ubuntu.
Speaking of which, I wonder if Ladislav will be removing Xandros from the major distributions page, given its steady slide. Or put Damnsmalllinux on that page as it's been hitting the top 10 prettty regularly.
92 • RE: #90 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 13:53:25 GMT from Roma, Italy)
"Optimized for HD install" dates back awhile, to when Knoppix was a mish-mash of stable, testing, and unstable...."
I don't believe that is the point. Herr Knopper never intended his CD to be installed. The proof is that he never developed an installer. The installer was created by others, and finally brought to a decent level by Kano.
"With the 4.0 series, that's not an issue. Knoppix is almost wholly sarge"
No it isn't. It is almost wholly Sid.
http://www.google.it/search?hl=en&q=knoppix+based+on+sid%3F&btnG=Google+Search
I performed this google search for you, as I have always known it :)
"A HD install works really well. "
It has improved a lot, but it is still quite buggy. Kano doesn't release if he hasn't ironed out the last minor problem. There were more than 20 RCs before 20005-04 final. And that is why many consider it the most stable release ever.
93 • @ip address and location (by gino on 2006-03-08 14:01:25 GMT from Kista, Sweden)
I see Distrowatch has now narrowed the location of posters' IP addresses
I write from Roma, Italia, but my ip is assigned to a Sweden-based ISP.
94 • RE: #91 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 14:26:10 GMT from Roma, Italy)
"I'd still much rather see Kanotix in the top 10 than MEPIS. Or Ubuntu. "
We are in agreement about that.
95 • 92 Knoppix and sarge (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 14:37:01 GMT from , United States)
I suppose that's why the release announcement for 4.0 boasted, "over 9 Gigabytes of live software from Debian, based on Sarge."
You know, actually, we're both mistaken. Looking more carefully over the package lists, there's actually quite a bit from testing as well as a lot from stable - not least of all GNOME, but actually most of what's on the DVD but not the CD is from sarge. "Almost wholly" is incorrect, but the majority (of the DVD but not the CD) is sarge.
More was taken from etch than sid though. Your googling aside.
But in any case, my point about the installation issues is flawed. I shouldn't be surprised since the only time I install Knoppix anymore is when I am remastering it. It still may not hold together that well over time. So I'll have to take your word for it that Kanotix is so much better for HD install. (I won't test that though because I really don't see the point of not just using pure Debian if you're going to install to hard drive.)
96 • knoppix and kanotix (by ray carter at 2006-03-08 15:44:07 GMT from Meridian, United States)
So what is the big hassle? The guy asked for the best hardware detection Live CD. IMHO - it's always a crap shoot to try to determine what is 'best' for much of anything. Point is, he's probably going to be satisfied with either one - I really don't think it's worth arguing over.
97 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 16:30:27 GMT from , United States)
At the risk of being a smart-ass, the live CD with the best hardware detection is DFS. How many other live CDs support Alphas?
98 • Re 95 (by Brian Grainger at 2006-03-08 18:15:28 GMT from Portsmouth, United Kingdom)
Ah - It now become clear that your are comparing Knoppix DVD with Kanotix CD. This, I venture, is the reason Knoppix can do so much more. What about comparing like for like, Knoppix CD and Kanotix CD.
I use both, and Puppy, on a fit for need basis. I prefer Kanotix because, for me, it just works, better! The latest release even gets my ancient sound card to work at a volume I can hear - something no other Live CD has done.
As one member of both forums once said - I view Knoppix as the final beta release for Kanotix. I agree with that sentiment. Things get put in Knoppix that might not be fully tested. Kano certainly tests. The classsic example was when Knoppix started using UnionFS. The first releases didn't work. Kano introduced UnionFS as an option. I don't know whether UnionFS worked on Kanotix in the first release but, being optional, if it didn't work one could fall back to a working system. This kind of detail and care is why I think Kanotix has the edge on Knoppix, when comparing like for like.
In the end though. A user has to try options and find what suits their own needs. My criteria of goodness may not be the same as theirs.
99 • Podcast (by Ben Leggett on 2006-03-08 18:49:20 GMT from Oakwood, United States)
I enjoy the weekly podcast very much. Last episode's "humor" sections were good. Keep those coming. Good work on an informative and up-to-date podcast.
100 • 98 (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 20:12:39 GMT from , United States)
Only regarding the issue of how much is sarge are my remarks more about the Knoppix DVD. The Knoppix CD includes apache and emacs (essential to people like me) and Kanotix does not. A GNU/Linux without Gnu Emacs is unworthy of the name, IMHO.
Of course, my idea of the very best live CD is grml, but I wouldn't expect that to have much widespread appeal.
101 • RE: #95 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 22:16:48 GMT from Roma, Italy)
"there's actually quite a bit from testing as well as a lot from stable - not least of all GNOME..."
Actually I do not remember which version of Gnome was in Sid at the time, but I do remember clearly that it took *unusually* long before a new version was uploaded to Sid after the release of Sarge.
On the other hand, in Knoppix 4.0 KDE had been fetched from experimental:
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=02836#0
Odd, ain't it?
(Notice also the inclusion of OpenOffice.org 2.0, which at the time wasn't yet in Sid either)
102 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 22:33:29 GMT from , United States)
My original claim - which I've admitted was flawed - was "almost wholly sarge, save KDE, OOo, and his custom kernel".
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/60800
And from the Knoppix changelog for 4.0
"Added (too many to list) packages from Debian/sarge (abiword, gnumeric…)"
103 • RE: #102 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 22:56:12 GMT from Roma, Italy)
I wonder how well informed heise online was in this particular instance.
But in any case my point is, isn't a funny thing to do mixing stable with experimental? (if it is the case)
104 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 23:09:50 GMT from , United States)
Clearly it is the case, because whether or not one accepts Heise, one surely ought to accept Knopper's own changelog that there are packages - "too many to list" - from sarge. http://mirror.arcticnetwork.ca/pub/knoppix/KNOPPIX-CHANGELOG.txt
And actually, it's not that strange. Even if you don't backport, running relatively self-contained sets of packages from experimental against stable is entirely feasible, so long as you avoid messing too much with the base system.
105 • Best Hardware detection LiveCD (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 23:10:02 GMT from Edinburg, United States)
The measuring gauge for live cd's is Knoppix. Kanotix is also excellent which is based off knoppix. Many users have forgotten about SLAX. Slax also has excellent hardware detection and is not based off knoppix, or any other live cd for that matter. It detects most hardware I have except for MACs/apple ppc. Knoppix has the edge here, I guess they have a ppc version.
106 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 23:15:29 GMT from , United States)
I hate to sing the praises of a distro that's hyped enough as it is, but a certain popular distro has live CDs for i386, amd64, and PPC.
107 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 23:25:35 GMT from , United States)
Actually, I should have said "at the time" it could be done without backporting. Now that libc6 has been updated in testing and stable, you can't do that sort of thing without doing a backport.
108 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 23:26:08 GMT from , United States)
...updated in testing and unstable...
109 • CAD in Linux (by ernani on 2006-03-08 23:28:05 GMT from Manila, Philippines)
can you post a review or anything about CAD programs that run in linux...i heard about wine..how effective it is? and how can it be easily install in linux via wine and how?..
thanks..and more power to distrowatch :)
110 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-03-08 23:39:23 GMT from , United States)
http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html
http://www.cadinfo.net/editorial/linux-cad2.htm
111 • RE: #105 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 23:39:31 GMT from Roma, Italy)
"The measuring gauge for live cd's is Knoppix. Kanotix is also excellent which is based off knoppix."
And that is my main point: after more than 2 years of excellent work by Kano, people keep saying: "Kanotix? Just another Knoppix derivative"
Why don't people say: "Mandriva? A Red Hat derivative" ?
In the meantime many Kanotix features are being "backported" to Knoppix.
112 • Nicknames (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-08 23:43:50 GMT from Roma, Italy)
If people chose a nickname, any nickname, it would be easier to understand who said what :)
113 • UBUNTU IS GREAT WITH OR WITHOUT CNR (by RIGODOR on 2006-03-09 01:19:20 GMT from , Philippines)
UBUNTU IS GREAT WITH OR WITHOUT CNR... anyway, the ubuntu team will not include Linspire's CNR in their packages.. it is the linspire team team that will offer you the CNR to be installed in your UBUNTU.. so it's up to you.. but i am happy with mu apt-get and "add programs". dapper drake is very interesting.. the issue on multimedia is resolved by using gstreamer...
114 • Great Podcast ! (by Jacques Duplessis on 2006-03-09 02:22:34 GMT from Montréal-Nord, Canada)
Hi,
Just would like to know that I very much enjoy your Podcast.
It is one of my favorite.
THE place to let you know when new distro are available and comment on them.
From Jacques In Montreal, Quebec, Canada
115 • Why don't people say: "Mandriva? A Red Hat derivative" ? (by Anonymous on 2006-03-09 03:46:27 GMT from Corpus Christi, United States)
Why don't people say: "Mandriva? A Red Hat derivative" ?
Some people still do. But very few to be exact. They took Red Hat's work and make KDE the default desktop. Red Hat used and still uses gnome as its main desktop. Mandrake was the Red Hat derivative. Now mandrake became Mandriva. So Mandriva is on its own.
f'(red hat) = mandrake
f'(mandrake) = mandriva
f''(mandriva) = redhat from def. of derivative in Differential Calculus.
116 • RE: #115 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-09 04:59:23 GMT from Mongiuffi Melia, Italy)
"Some people still do. But very few to be exact. "
Yes, that is what I meant. Mine wasn't a real question.
"They took Red Hat's work and make KDE the default desktop. Red Hat used and still uses gnome as its main desktop."
I don't believe that Gnome was an issue when Mandrake split, but I might be wrong. Definitely it was an issue when Bero Rosenkraenzer stopped working for Red Hat.
117 • RE: #75 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-09 05:15:22 GMT from Mongiuffi Melia, Italy)
Ladislav,
This matter is getting really funny (meaning that it makes me laugh)
"Venire da Mongiuffi" means "to be an uncivilized peasant"
So this program is insulting me in a sense, LOL.
118 • 112 (by AC from commaville, USA on 2006-03-09 06:07:41 GMT from , United States)
My last posts to you anon penguin are 105, 107, and 108. But I also posted 106 and 109, not part of our discussion.
As for Kanotix:Knoppix::Mandriva:RedHat, Mandriva doesn't mention being based on RedHat at the top of their manual and don't have a default user named "RedHat".
And to clarify, my reference to Knoppix backporting was backporting from unstable or experimental, not Kanotix. I mean ultimately, these are both "just Debian derivatives". They both exchange features, Knoppix using scripts and the installer from Kanotix and Kanotix using Knoppix hardware detection and on the fly decompression. And tracking changes like the addition of unionfs. I'd hardly call them independent now and I doubt Kano feels any need to assert that.
119 • oops (by AC from commaville, USA on 2006-03-09 06:09:32 GMT from , United States)
104, 107, and 108, and now 118
120 • RE: #118 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-09 06:30:14 GMT from Mongiuffi Melia, Italy)
When I wrote: "in the meantime many Kanotix features are being "backported" to Knoppix" I didn't mean KDE or anything like that. I meant the installer, the scripts and similar.
I know that Klaus Knopper and Kano cooperate. It is us having this discussion on which one is better.
In any case most Kanotix users follow the development of Knoppix as well. I do. That is why I have an opinion.
121 • Re #117 Whacky IP address locator (by rglk on 2006-03-09 07:57:10 GMT from Edgewater, United States)
I agree with the Anonymous Penguin: your IP address locator software is really way off base. I'm posting this from Mars, Meridiani Planum to be exact, and I'm tagged in this forum as posting from "United States". I don't even know where that is.
Looking up "United States" in my dictionary, I find this:
"Region of space around the Third Planet claimed by an entity on the surface of said planet with the same name, for the purpose of installing nuclear-armed battle stations in it from which nuclear weapons can be rained on any region on the surface of the Third Planet at a moment's notice. Name of this project associated with "United States": "Militarization of Space"."
This "United States" sounds like a crazy place to me. I don't want to be associated with it. If you can't get it right with me posting from Mars (I can understand that, and I'm not at all offended), is there a way for you to override that program and list me as posting from .... Tahiti? Everybody here on Mars is talking about Tahiti, ..... ahhhh, having a Margarita on a beach in Tahiti ... while we're gulping down a sand slurpee in boring old Meridiani Planum.
Many thanks in advance,
Robert
122 • Re: Why don't people say: "Mandriva? A Red Hat derivative" ? (by Ariszló on 2006-03-09 08:56:43 GMT from Szeged, Hungary)
Old Mandrake was a Red Hat derivative but recent Mandrake or current Mandriva has almost nothing common with current Red Hat.
123 • Podcast too quick (by melic on 2006-03-09 10:08:54 GMT from London, United Kingdom)
I find the podcast is being read too quick, I imagine the longer it takes to read (slower) the bigger the mp3 size and so the bigger the bandwith bill, but I much rather have half newsletter read only in much more calm than the whole thing spinning.
124 • Podcast (by Tim Smith on 2006-03-09 12:32:47 GMT from East Lansing, United States)
I know you do not get much feedback on the podcast, so I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate being able to keep up to date on the latest news from Distrowatch while commuting to my work.
Thanks for your efforts.
Tim
125 • Kororaa XGL Live Demo CD (by Andy - England on 2006-03-09 17:17:42 GMT from Stevenage, United Kingdom)
Just tried this new live Cd featuring xgl and can't believe how good it is. This 3d desktop will ultimately be the death of vista. It's simply breath taking. You'll need 512mb of ram and a Nvidia or ATI graphics card to run it though.
Give it a whirl, you wont be disappointed.
126 • 125 (by AC on 2006-03-10 01:31:29 GMT from , United States)
If you're buying a new card for 3D, go with one based on the Radeon 9250 chipset. They're a good deal and there are open source drivers that support 3D acceleration. Nvidia may be better, but these Radeons are good and you'll be dependent on one less piece of non-free software.
127 • RE: #126 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-10 08:20:52 GMT from Roma, Italy)
Interesting. How good are those open source drivers? I mean, Nvidia drivers are quite good, albeit not open source.
128 • RE: #30 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-10 08:26:36 GMT from Roma, Italy)
I suppose you could be a bit confused by now :)
So summarizing the best are probably Knoppix, Kanotix and Slax. Mepis isn't bad either. If you can you could try them all.
129 • RE: #115 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-10 10:17:33 GMT from Roma, Italy)
"They took Red Hat's work and make KDE the default desktop. Red Hat used and still uses gnome as its main desktop."
I wasn't sure, but I have done some research now. The first Mandrake release was in July 1998, with KDE 1.0
Red Hat in 1998 was command line only. Their first release with Gnome was in 1999.
Both Mandrake and Red Hat were on one CD only at the time.
On a side note: 1998 seems only yesterday to me, but if you take linux as a reference, it feels like an eternity has gone by :)
130 • Edit (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-10 10:24:40 GMT from Roma, Italy)
Probably I am wrong about Red Hat being command line only in 1998, because I can see that it had XFree86 3.3.2
131 • 130 (by AC on 2006-03-10 10:59:58 GMT from , United States)
Ah, the good old days. Red Hat used the infamous FVWM by default I believe.
132 • 127 (by AC on 2006-03-10 11:08:45 GMT from , United States)
http://lwn.net/Articles/170927/
Good discussion of Radeon drivers and Xgl. If you're a gamer, the Nvidia drivers are better, but much of the testing of Xgl was done with the open source Radeon drivers and they are quite sufficient for that purpose. There are texture issues when dealing with highly complex 3d rendering, but that's not what Xgl requires. As for stability, r300 drivers can be flaky, but the open drivers for the 9250 and earlier are quite reliable. If you're not gaming, you'll be very pleased with the 9250 and the drivers. And open source plus inexpensive (and cool and quiet) definitely is appealing.
133 • 131 (by Anonymous on 2006-03-10 11:16:36 GMT from , United States)
btw, I say "infamous" because the default settings of FVWM were (and are) hideous. But it's actually still one of the most flexible and configurable wms around, not as light as fluxbox but a lot light that GNOME or KDE. Some of the features - notably workspaces - still can't be beat for some work styles.
134 • Podcast (by CK Rock on 2006-03-10 16:23:05 GMT from Basehor, United States)
I enjoy learning about Linux and Linux distrobutions and so I was excited when one of the top websites (Distrowatch) was producing a podcast. I would download it and listen to it in my car. After about the second time I thought, "Did I just download the same one? Why does this sound so familiar?" Then I realized that it was word-for-word what was written in the Weekly Newsletter that I had just read earlier in the day. I like the idea of a podcast produced by the site and I like Shawn Milo as a host, I would just like some new information--maybe personal opinions on the latest releases and where they are going (like the segment in a recent podcast about meeting the Ubuntu president). I don't expect it (or even want it) to be a laugh-a-minute morning radio show as some previous comments have suggested, just something other than the flat reading of the newsletter. The current format would be ideal for those who don't read the newsletter, but if you wanted to know why downloads may have dropped...
I hope that this helps. Don't get discouraged--we need more informative Linux podcasts.
135 • RE: #131, 132, 133 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-10 16:32:22 GMT from Roma, Italy)
Thanks for the comments and info :)
136 • the podcast (by mike on 2006-03-10 16:48:21 GMT from , Australia)
One of my weekly favourites. I would be disappointed if you quit.
cheers
137 • Bad experience with Kanotix (by Caraibes on 2006-03-10 21:21:00 GMT from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic)
As much as I read here that Kanotix is so great, I downloaded and tried version 2005.4 lite on 3 machines, and encountered many problems :
It simply won´t boot with an ATI radeon 7000 !
Screen resolution stays in 800x600 when using integrated video via chipset...
So, in my opinion, so much for the supposed great hardware detection !!!
Any Knoppix or Puppy works right out of the box, and the new Mepis beats every other one !!!
PCLinuxOS is also quite good, but doesn´t always boot with integrated chipset....
Anyway, Kano is very friendly in the IRC, so I am sure it will improve...
138 • Everything install will not be present in Fedora Core 5 (by Anonymous on 2006-03-10 22:34:01 GMT from Edinburg, United States)
Fedora Users,
Hope you are following closely. The everything install(custom install) will not be present in the new Fedora Core 5 release which was delayed a bit due to certain issues not that one. Now if you want to install as much as possible you will have to click with in the groups and check all the boxes which becomes a bit more tedious. What are your feelings towards this?
Please post your opinions and concerns.
139 • Interesting Ubuntu news (by AC on 2006-03-11 15:45:32 GMT from , United States)
I just spotted this on LXer's feed. (I don't follow Ubuntu news normally) Ladislav may appreciate a head's up.
http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?src=rss&id=913
140 • Blag propping up the rest, what a sad sight to see (by mikkh on 2006-03-11 23:00:52 GMT from Winchester, United Kingdom)
In 100th place we have Blag, a very nice Fedora clone, using synaptic for package management and it comes with all multimedia bells and whistles already working
It's the only distro that seems to pick up the sound properly on a Medion laptop and comes with a nice unique Gnome theme.
Yes it's Gnome only, but with several KDE components already installed, so if your a fan of K3B like me, you only have to enable a few extra repositories in synaptic - or just the THAC one I think and you can have it running in seconds. I rate it higher than all the Fedora clones and even Fedora itself.
I once saw a comment on here that someone only looked at the top 20 or so distros, which is pretty shortsighted and means the likes of Blag will never be tried.
I've tried nearly all the top 100, and I believe there's only 10 or so worth bothering with - one of those is definitely Blag
If you like trying new distros, don't let it's lowly position put you off, you may find it's the one you've been looking for and haven't found yet
141 • Oooh I've gone up in the world (by mikkh on 2006-03-11 23:06:57 GMT from Winchester, United Kingdom)
I appear to have moved south to Winchester
I'm pretty sure I lived in Nottingham last time I looked, I haven't peered out the window recently though, so maybe a stray tornado has relocated me while I wasn't looking
142 • re message 125 on kororaa xgl (by mikkh on 2006-03-11 23:25:56 GMT from Winchester, United Kingdom)
Hmmm simply breath taking eh, well it's ok in a gimmicky kind of way, but I was able to breathe quite normally throughout the whole experience. In fact I wondered what the fuss was about when greeted with a gnome desktop that had a slight wobble effect on the graphics.
After a bit of reading, it turns out the other desktops are arranged as a cube and pressing CTRL ALT left arrow spins you round to the next desktop. A neat enough trick the first time you see it, and it was a nice smooth transition granted, but I soon tired of this miracle of the modern age and was left wondering what else this distro had to offer.
Not a lot, as it happens. Ah well the CDRW can be blanked again I guess
143 • Knoppix 5.0 DVD CeBIT torrent (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-12 07:37:26 GMT from Rome, Italy)
http://torrent.kurz.net/KNOPPIX_V5.0DVD-2006-02-25-DE.iso.torrent
After downloading please seed.
Personal experience: fine as a Live DVD. An attempted install in Italian took more than 2 hours (specs: P4 2.66 GHz, 1 Gig RAM) and failed.
144 • Blag (by Caraibes on 2006-03-12 12:52:27 GMT from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic)
re;140... I enjoyed Blag, but my problem with it is that display won't go to my regular 1024x768, but stays to 800x600... It's a nuisance for me...
Ok, most of my pc's run cheap integrated Via chipset, but I expect any distro to do as good of a job as my main Ubuntu...
That said, the Blag folks seem rather friendly and excentric, it's mostly fun as one feels it's the cuban revolution of IT !!!
145 • RE: #140 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-03-13 05:43:49 GMT from Roma, Italy)
"In 100th place we have Blag, a very nice Fedora clone, using synaptic for package management and it comes with all multimedia bells and whistles already working"
It is normal, it is what happens to distros wich don't release.
They decided not to release a version based on Fedora 4.
146 • re (by XP on 2006-03-13 13:39:55 GMT from Kiev, Ukraine)
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| • Issue 1013 (2023-04-03): Alpine Linux 3.17.2, printing manual pages, Ubuntu Cinnamon becomes official flavour, Endeavour OS plans for new installer, HardenedBSD plans for outage |
| • Issue 1012 (2023-03-27): siduction 22.1.1, protecting privacy from proprietary applications, GNOME team shares new features, Canonical updates Ubuntu 20.04, politics and the Linux kernel |
| • Issue 1011 (2023-03-20): Serpent OS, Security Onion 2.3, Gentoo Live, replacing the scp utility, openSUSE sees surge in downloads, Debian runs elction with one candidate |
| • Issue 1010 (2023-03-13): blendOS 2023.01.26, keeping track of which files a package installs, improved network widget coming to elementary OS, Vanilla OS changes its base distro |
| • Issue 1009 (2023-03-06): Nemo Mobile and the PinePhone, matching the performance of one distro on another, Linux Mint adds performance boosts and security, custom Ubuntu and Debian builds through Cubic |
| • Issue 1008 (2023-02-27): elementary OS 7.0, the benefits of boot environments, Purism offers lapdock for Librem 5, Ubuntu community flavours directed to drop Flatpak support for Snap |
| • Issue 1007 (2023-02-20): helloSystem 0.8.0, underrated distributions, Solus team working to repair their website, SUSE testing Micro edition, Canonical publishes real-time edition of Ubuntu 22.04 |
| • Issue 1006 (2023-02-13): Playing music with UBports on a PinePhone, quick command line and shell scripting questions, Fedora expands third-party software support, Vanilla OS adds Nix package support |
| • Issue 1005 (2023-02-06): NuTyX 22.12.0 running CDE, user identification numbers, Pop!_OS shares COSMIC progress, Mint makes keyboard and mouse options more accessible |
| • Issue 1004 (2023-01-30): OpenMandriva ROME, checking the health of a disk, Debian adopting OpenSnitch, FreeBSD publishes status report |
| • Issue 1003 (2023-01-23): risiOS 37, mixing package types, Fedora seeks installer feedback, Sparky offers easier persistence with USB writer |
| • Issue 1002 (2023-01-16): Vanilla OS 22.10, Nobara Project 37, verifying torrent downloads, Haiku improvements, HAMMER2 being ports to NetBSD |
| • Issue 1001 (2023-01-09): Arch Linux, Ubuntu tests new system installer, porting KDE software to OpenBSD, verifying files copied properly |
| • Issue 1000 (2023-01-02): Our favourite projects of all time, Fedora trying out unified kernel images and trying to speed up shutdowns, Slackware tests new kernel, detecting what is taking up disk space |
| • Issue 999 (2022-12-19): Favourite distributions of 2022, Fedora plans Budgie spin, UBports releasing security patches for 16.04, Haiku working on new ports |
| • Issue 998 (2022-12-12): OpenBSD 7.2, Asahi Linux enages video hardware acceleration on Apple ARM computers, Manjaro drops proprietary codecs from Mesa package |
| • Issue 997 (2022-12-05): CachyOS 221023 and AgarimOS, working with filenames which contain special characters, elementary OS team fixes delta updates, new features coming to Xfce |
| • Issue 996 (2022-11-28): Void 20221001, remotely shutting down a machine, complex aliases, Fedora tests new web-based installer, Refox OS running on real hardware |
| • Issue 995 (2022-11-21): Fedora 37, swap files vs swap partitions, Unity running on Arch, UBports seeks testers, Murena adds support for more devices |
| • Issue 994 (2022-11-14): Redcore Linux 2201, changing the terminal font size, Fedora plans Phosh spin, openSUSE publishes on-line manual pages, disabling Snap auto-updates |
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