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1 • Next weeks donation (by Jack Malmostoso on 2005-11-07 11:41:46 GMT from Switzerland)
Just to suggest gcfilms as a target for a possible donation... i discovered the software this weekend and I was amazed by it!
http://home.gna.org/gcfilms/
Good work as usual!
2 • RE: Next weeks donation (by ladislav on 2005-11-07 11:48:52 GMT from Taiwan)
Just a quick reminder: before suggesting a project for the next donation, please make sure that the project actually accepts donations. Not all of them do.
3 • Donation again (by Nobody special on 2005-11-07 12:07:41 GMT from France)
Well, not to disparage gcfilms, which seems quite nice, but I think the Tellico collection manager (http://www.periapsis.org/tellico/) has about the same features, as far as movies are concerned, while being a completely generic application.
Data import can be done through Amazon, freedb, IMDb as well as the z39.50 and Entrez systems. No barcode reader, as far as I know, but I may be mistaken.
I use it personnaly for movies and teas. CDs and books would also be a breeze, were I not too lazy.
4 • New FreeBSD logo (by Mark Kowarsky on 2005-11-07 12:08:10 GMT from Australia)
Who hear likes the new FreeBSD logo? Personally, I preferred Beastie. The current logo looks like a red blog with cat's ears.
I have a feeling that it is close to 50/50 for liking and disliking as can be seen in forums threads such as http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-397889-highlight-freebsd+logo.html
5 • Donations and GoblinX Mini (by Flavio de Oliveira on 2005-11-07 12:10:57 GMT from Brazil)
I accept donations for my project... :oops:
About The GoblinX Mini, I invite you (Ladislav) to do a test later...
6 • next week's donation to FreeBSD (by Patrick at 2005-11-07 12:30:14 GMT from Luxembourg)
I think it's a good idea to support the BSDs in addition to Linux distros and projects. However, FreeBSD is AFAIK the best-sponsored BSD already. Maybe another BSD like NetBSD or OpenBSD would profit more from a donation.
7 • link doesn't work (by pp on 2005-11-07 13:04:03 GMT from United Kingdom)
clicking the DW weekly sign on the front page takes me to the DW weekly of 31.10..
8 • I'd nominate R for donation (by pp on 2005-11-07 13:20:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'd like to nominate R, that statistical computing tool for donation.
http://www.r-project.org/
It's a huge, important project relevant for all kinds of people who use statistical modelling, a kind of "OpenOffice" of statisticians. If anybody agrees with me, honk! :-)
9 • Donation to FreeBDS (by Didier Spaier at 2005-11-07 13:25:29 GMT from France)
I make no objection to a donation to support FeeBSD. I installed FreeBSD-6.0 (as a fresh ans standard install) on top of a previously installed beta version: it works and I lost nothing.
Wilst I currently use a Slackware 10.2 which I'm very satisfied of (thanks to Patrick Volkering), I appreciate FreeBSD's ports + packages collection. I only should learn some administrative tasks before using it everyday, e.g. properly setting up a firewall (for now on my Slackware distro Guarddog is doing the job) and securing my box myself.
Sorry for my bad English -- Didier, Paris
10 • All those BSDs (by Jim on 2005-11-07 13:32:26 GMT from United States)
Thank you for another great DistroWatch Weekly! It's always a nice way to start my Monday. Ladislav, could you or Robert consider writing an article comparing the BSDs? Something more substantial than "NetBSD is the most secure default install and NetBSD is available for the most architectures etc." What are some specific differences that a home user would care about? Why is there a new NetBSD 2.1 and an upcoming NetBSD 3? What's the status of Dragonfly? What about FreeBSD vs. DesktopBSD and PC-BSD?
I tried FreeBSD a year or two ago, but it required too much tweaking for a home desktop. It was just little things like the mouse wheel didn't work and I didn't have permissions to write to a different drive, but I got tired of looking up how to fix stuff so I went back to Suse Linux. With the newer BSDs available, I'm interested in trying again.
If I'm asking too much for a short DWW article, I understand. Then maybe you could just pick one of the BSDs as a Featured Distribution of the Week.
11 • November 2005 Award to FreeBSD! (by Chris Roosso on 2005-11-07 13:44:29 GMT from Canada)
I agree! You should give the November 2005 award to Freebsd.
I'm using using FreeBSD on most of our web and mail servers and it's just amazing. I think the greatest advantage is the software maintenance (ports system). Servers are then so easy to keep updated, and having the flexibility to build software with specific options is easy and great! We don't have to spend hours and hours every month to keep everything up to date.
12 • developer interviews (by butters on 2005-11-07 14:07:59 GMT from United States)
I would like to suggest that DistroWatch try to line up a weekly developer interview for this column. This would be a nice way to keep readers in touch with the latest and greatest coming out of free software projects.
For instance, the release of X11R7/6.9 is just around the corner (early December, I think), and that has lots of implications for the distributions out there. I bet many DistroWatch readers are unsure of what's going on. Perhaps you can get someone from the Xorg development team to take a moment to talk about the upcoming release and what it brings to the desktop?
This is just an example, I'm sure very few free software projects would turn down a request for an interview for DistroWatch Weekly.
13 • Donation! (by Ed Borasky on 2005-11-07 14:18:49 GMT from United States)
" I'd nominate R for donation (by pp on 2005-11-07 13:20:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'd like to nominate R, that statistical computing tool for donation.
http://www.r-project.org/
It's a huge, important project relevant for all kinds of people who use statistical modelling, a kind of "OpenOffice" of statisticians. If anybody agrees with me, honk! :-)"
HONK! HONK! HONK!
Yes, R is indeed the greatest thing since APL to hit the scientifc and statistical programming language world. They've got over 600 packages now, you can actually write web apps in R, and I use it daily.
Besides, Ruby on Rails doesn't need the money. :)
14 • anyone notice linux now has a wireless network stack? (by butters on 2005-11-07 14:22:22 GMT from United States)
Also, the release of linux-2.6.14 was somehow overlooked amidst the sea of BSD news. FreeBSD isn't the only OS kernel to vastly improve wireless network support in the past week or two. Linux now has a full 802.11 stack, complete with WEP, CCMP, and TKIP support, in the mainline kernel. This has enabled the inclusion of IPW (centrino family) device support in the kernel and will enable native support of more devices in the future.
Configuring wireless network interfaces is still a mess in most Linux distributions compared to in FreeBSD 6.0, but both now have sane wireless networking driver architectures. FreeBSD's wireless device support, however, is extremely limited at this point.
15 • HONK! for R (by Anonymous on 2005-11-07 14:36:14 GMT from United States)
Yes, R is a great project released under the GPL and widely used by statisticians. It provides the bases for another great open source project: bioconductor.org for the analysis and comprehension of genomic data.
16 • November Donation to FreeBSD and Future suggestion OpenBSD! (by cdude on 2005-11-07 14:40:05 GMT from Canada)
I agree for FreeBSD November donation, I've been using it for more than 2 years now and it gets better by the day! I also would like to suggest OpenBSD because a lot of its works on securities are integrated into other open source projects as well as commercial softwares, without anyone giving anything back to them. OpenSSH.. ehhm!!
17 • HONK! for R (by Anonymous on 2005-11-07 14:42:10 GMT from United States)
Yes, R is a great project released under the GPL and widely used by statisticians. It provides the bases for another great open source project: bioconductor.org for the analysis and comprehension of genomic data.
18 • Novell, and other stuff (by Scott Wilson on 2005-11-07 14:42:29 GMT from United States)
I have been expecting Novell to screw up SUSE, just like they did with everything else. So its going to be a gnome desktop, hopefully some one will integrate KDE as a package. I prefer gnome, (actually I prefer enlightenment). So indeed SUSE Linux is becoming Fedora, a community based test bed for Novell. Its a good thing I suppose, but this doesn't look good for the retail side of Linux. Is the Desktop dead? I was rather upset that I could not find any other OS in the Retail stores except MS Windows, and one to two copies of the newest Mac OS. What about in your neck of the woods?
I built a new PC this week end, Sempron AMD CPU, much to my surprise and horror I now have a 64bit machine.(previous was a 450MHZ), Ubuntu 64 bit loaded with no glitches, sound network, everything worked after the first boot. So far my only complaint is that there are no java, flash, other other packages that will work with the 64 bit AMD CPU. Ubuntu or Linux's fault? NO, but the respective companies. (Yes I know I can use the 32bit programs)
BSD? I don't really care, as a desktop, no. If I wanted that I would get a Mac. On a server, yes I hear its rock solid. New logo, looks like a cat. BSD is th closes thing we have to Unix. I kinda feel weird that I come to Distrowatch to learn about Linux and they are running FreeBSD.
Another good read. I start a new job today
19 • FreeBSD (by capt ron on 2005-11-07 15:23:11 GMT from United States)
YES!!! YES!!!!YES!!!!
Please donate to FreeBSD!!!
I really would like to switch to FreeBSD but I'm not geek enough.Linux has been hard enough. I still can't get my wifi to work. I would like to see FreeBSD as easy to use as Ubuntu.
20 • I'd nominate R for donation too! (by istoyanov on 2005-11-07 15:33:37 GMT from Bulgaria)
Still waiting to seeing anything such powerful as this statistical computing environment, even among its commercial competitors! I use R exclusively for all my data processing tasks and would also like to nominate the R-project for receiving a donation.
21 • Donate to FreeBSD (by Joshua Kampmeier on 2005-11-07 15:56:19 GMT from United States)
Absolutely!! I think FreeBSD is extremely well deserved of the donation.
FYI: there is the 'freebsd-update' tool for applying binary security patches to the FreeBSD when you lack the immediate time to rebuild the kernel/world/both. I use it on production servers at work.
22 • Donations? (by ALex on 2005-11-07 15:59:29 GMT from United States)
I thought they were monthly, not weekly.
23 • R-Project! (by sociology guy on 2005-11-07 16:35:00 GMT from United States)
Yes, the above posters suggesting the R-project have found the perfect project for donations!
(also, any chance of trying a project like musicbrainz sometime in the future?)
24 • Go with Kanotix (by Steve on 2005-11-07 16:45:15 GMT from United States)
I have tried a lot of distros and none have come close to beating Kanotix! Kanotix is a rock-solid, bleeding-edge Linux distro based on Debian SID. Its developer, Kano, puts in countless (and perhaps thankless) hours creating a near-perfect distro.
Kanotix is in strong need of donations. Please consider Kanotix for this month's DistroWatch award!
25 • FreeBSD security update care and feeding (by Jackstraw on 2005-11-07 17:00:25 GMT from United States)
Good point about the need for repeated system builds to keep the FreeBSD base system current with security updates. There are good reasons to go the build-from-source route, as you get a very optimized system. It would be nice if incremental builds were supported to incorporate security patches, rather than the choice between [a] full make world vs. [b] manual build of the affected component per the security advisory.
To be fair, if you run a binary-based system, use freebsd-update from the ports collection to handle binary updates. That makes things more equivalent to the Debian-level effort.
26 • Donation to PC-BSD (by john Inama on 2005-11-07 17:14:58 GMT from United States)
I agree that FreeBSD is already well funded. I think the donation should go to PC-BSD, which in my opinion is the best project out there to make BSD as user-friendly as Linux is becoming.
27 • Donations (by x on 2005-11-07 17:48:17 GMT from United States)
I agree with you that a donation to the FreeBSD project is in order. Future donations to the other BSD's should be given serious consideration. Some of the developments at these projects have benefited not only the BSD communities, but virtually all computer users worldwide.
The BSD's offer competitive (diversity) alternatives to other operating systems, even providing services for one of the worlds largest software houses for years until they developed a replacement.
I would like to put LSF's name in the proverbally donation hat. While it not for the faint of heart, it provides a general guideline to intregrating components into a full fledged operating system. They even accomidate the truly paranoid with the Hardened LFS subproject.
28 • Wonderful edition of DistroWatch weekly (by bullehead on 2005-11-07 18:08:31 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the great read. I appreciate this site very much. DistroWatch weekly is a great way to start Mondays :)
29 • Kanotix donation (by Dan MacDonald on 2005-11-07 19:43:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
Donate to Kanotix please!
I got sick of waiting for Debian to include Xorg and KDE 3.4 so I switched to Kubuntu, then to Mandriva 2006 for a while but the latest release candidates of Kanotix have addressed this niggle so I'm happy to return to using Kanotix as my primary OS. It's the best Debian derivative that I've tried- hence the 'Worlds Best OS' ;) Be nice to see a Kanotix for PPC too- anyone know whatever happened to knoppix/ppc??
What really makes Kanotix stand out from other distros is the unbeatable IRC support. I've learnt a lot about Linux from #kanotix -special mentions must go out to kano, slh and etorix who seem to live on that channel :) and who are always willing to answer the most dumb (or blindly geeky) questions about Linux I have had. Truly lovely guys!
Go Kanotix!
dan
PS (blatant plug alert!!) I made my first, small, contribution to open source recently with konqkonv, an extension (service menu) for konqueror called konqkonv which enables you to convert video files into DVD or VCD MPEGS in a single click. You can get it from
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=30455
30 • PC-BSD donation (by james e. thompson on 2005-11-07 20:16:11 GMT from United States)
I second that PC-BSD nomination , i like it and in time i think it will be right in there with Linux' ease of use for the desktop . A little true nix desktop flavor is welcomed by me !
Keep up the good work & hello Ladislave !
jim
31 • Donation to FreeBSD or FreeBSD Update (by Martin on 2005-11-07 20:27:14 GMT from France)
Please Donate either to FreeBSD or to the FreeBSD Update project ( http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-update/ , Colin Percival from FreeBSD), it would be great to have binary security updates on other archs than i386 so that this tool is integrated in the base system
32 • First BORING distrowatch weekly (by Robert G on 2005-11-07 20:43:04 GMT from United States)
Sorry, but I did not care for this distrowatch weekly. I think it could have used quite a bit more stuff for it. especially with all the new BSD stuff. Hopefully next week will be better.
Oh and btw, are any of the 3 major BSD's any good for desktop purposes? or are they all really just for servers?
33 • FreeBSD (by Anonymous on 2005-11-07 20:43:58 GMT from United States)
Agree.
34 • Donation (by Anonymous on 2005-11-07 21:17:10 GMT from France)
Even if I'm a full time linux user, FreeBSD deserves your donation. That's a great OS and I wish it keeps evolving.
Ho, and good choice for Amarok
On another note, that's very bad news we're getting from Novell/SUSE. The biggest strength of SUSE has always been its KDE integration and the work they put into it. Are we going to have professional distributions built around GNOME and hobbyist around KDE ? That would be stupid to divide the free UNIX desktop world this way.
35 • Re: Comment #19: by capt ron on 2005-11-07 15:23:11 GMT from United States) (by Mike Bear on 2005-11-07 21:54:19 GMT from United States)
19 • FreeBSD (by capt ron on 2005-11-07 15:23:11 GMT from United States)
YES!!! YES!!!!YES!!!!
Please donate to FreeBSD!!!
I really would like to switch to FreeBSD but I'm not geek enough.Linux has been hard enough. I still can't get my wifi to work. I would like to see FreeBSD as easy to use as Ubuntu.
*********************************************************************
For those who feel they are not 'geeky enough' to run BSD as a desktop, you might think of trying PC BSD, a 100% GUI verions of Free BSD on a bootable CD. No commands to memorize! see: www.pcbsd.com for more info or Google it.
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36 • URL Correction to Comment #35 (by Mike Bear on 2005-11-07 21:59:12 GMT from United States)
URL for PC BSD should be: www.pcbsd.ORG...not .com.
Sorry 'bout that!
MB
37 • PC-BSD (by Henrique Maia on 2005-11-07 22:11:22 GMT from Portugal)
A sure candidate to a donation. Interesting project.
Looking forward to have it on my computer.
38 • Re: #24 & 29 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-11-07 23:34:36 GMT from Italy)
Another one for Kanotix here.
That such an operating system can be downloaded for free is almost unbelievable.
Kanotix is as close to perfection as it is humanly possible.
39 • PC-BSD and FreeBSD (by Jesse on 2005-11-07 23:47:37 GMT from Canada)
I admit I'm a full time Linux user and perhaps a bit
ignorant about the BSDs, but I'm curious about something.
After the hype about FreeBSD in this week's DistroWatch,
I went over to their website and took a look. It appears a bit
"geeky" and complicated. Why would I want to manually configure
X, install in text mode, etc? I then went to the PC-BSD website
and it looks as easy to install and configure as, say, RedHat Linux
or SuSE.
My question is if PC-BSD is an open source project based
on FreeBSD, then why aren't these beautiful installation methods, package managers and auto-config tools ported back into
FreeBSD? Wouldn't that make FreeBSD much more popular
amoung newbies and desktop users?
Please feel free to e-mail me with your comments. Is it
a stability thing? A licensing thing? A time problem?
Jesse
slicer69 at hotmail.com
40 • Kanotix donation (by Dan MacDonald on 2005-11-07 23:55:22 GMT from United Kingdom)
Donate to Kanotix please!
I got sick of waiting for Debian to include Xorg and KDE 3.4 so I switched to Kubuntu, then to Mandriva 2006 for a while but the latest release candidates of Kanotix have addressed this niggle so I'm happy to return to using Kanotix as my primary OS. It's the best Debian derivative that I've tried- hence the 'Worlds Best OS' ;) Be nice to see a Kanotix for PPC too- anyone know whatever happened to knoppix/ppc??
What really makes Kanotix stand out from other distros is the unbeatable IRC support. I've learnt a lot about Linux from #kanotix -special mentions must go out to kano, slh and etorix who seem to live on that channel :) and who are always willing to answer the most dumb (or blindly geeky) questions about Linux I have had. Truly lovely guys!
Go Kanotix!
dan
PS (blatant plug alert!!) I made my first, small, contribution to open source recently with konqkonv, an extension (service menu) for konqueror called konqkonv which enables you to convert video files into DVD or VCD MPEGS in a single click. You can get it from
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=30455
41 • Movie Editor not Movie collection database (by yshapedback on 2005-11-08 00:26:16 GMT from Philippines)
does anyone knows an open source for project that can replace adobe premiere and windows movie maker? i've been browsing the web for this kind of project. if anyone knows such projects (not movie collection manager like gcfilms and tellico) please infom me... and that project deserves a donation so it can grow... CHEERS!!!
42 • Donation to FreeBSD. (by Dan C. on 2005-11-08 00:42:21 GMT from Canada)
As a user of FreeBSD for mission critical web services, I couldn't agree more with you donating money to them. I'm fairly new to FreeBSD, about 6 months usage, but I wouldn't go back to anything else when it comes to critical servers.
43 • This time, (by towsonu2003 on 2005-11-08 01:40:10 GMT from United States)
New distribution additions were interesting...
44 • Kanotix (by Antonio on 2005-11-08 03:01:25 GMT from United States)
If you want to donate to some distros/projects,
I would nominate the following in the order shown
1. Kanotix
2. Slax
3. FreeBSD
I actually like all of the above mentioned distros and whoever of the three that gets the donation very well deserves it. Kanotix-2005-03 rocked, but 2005-04 is getting there little by little. Slax is a great live cd, which also deserves mention. FreeBSD is hard to learn but well worth the effort. I still have to learn more about it. I have no objection if FreeBSD gets it this time, but also consider Kanotix and Slax. They are great linux live cd's which are of much help to me and my colleagues.
The new OpenSolaris live cd's, Shillix and Belenix are very different from BSD's and linux, yet they encompass very powerful software. I have tried Belenix but it does not go into X. Shillix does not have an X desktop, ie, gnome, kde, xfce, blackbox, etc., nonetheless Jorg Schilling is an excellent person, has a great live cd and gave us the cdrtools, cdrecord to burn cd's in linux, bsd and now opensolaris. Great Job!!!
45 • Thanks for the spectrum of update issues (by Bill Savoie at 2005-11-08 05:19:06 GMT from United States)
I always enjoy your posts. I use SuSE, Kanotix, feather and Mepis, but most of all I enjoy watching the world wake up to open source! Vim and Ada get most of my time. I am working on a chess engine. Thanks again Ladislav.
46 • open movie editor (by yshapedback on 2005-11-08 06:49:52 GMT from Philippines)
actually i've already found a movie editor at sourceforge.net. it is called open movie editor. but up to now they haven't released any file. maybe a donation from distrowatch.com can boost the development of this project... i am nomating OPEN MOVIE EDITOR for your donation...
47 • FYI: PC-BSD installer (by Anonymous on 2005-11-08 07:56:06 GMT from United States)
It won't reach the FreeBSD core because they are pretty strict about not adding GPL components. Especially to something as basic as the installer. And the installer won't be released under the (better from a FreeBSD standpoint) BSD license because it uses qt libraries and Trolltech are very strict about either using the proprietary license or using the GPL when using qt.
48 • FreeBSD on the desktop (by Bob Woodshed on 2005-11-08 09:50:45 GMT from Korea, Republic of)
First off I say go ahead and donate to the FreeBSD foundation next month. It's kinda funny because I made a (very small) donation to them last night.
Anywho for those of you wishing to use FreeBSD as a desktop platform then you can use PC-BSD as mentioned, but don't forget about DesktopBSD . Both of them have pages here on Distrowatch and both are aimed at being easy to use on the desktop. Go ahead and read some reviews or install both and see which one you like better.
49 • Donate to a smaller project (by Toni on 2005-11-08 14:34:07 GMT from Austria)
I think FreeBSD rocks and deserve donation as well but
there are many smaller projects who really depend on donations.
I would suggest the donation should go to Kanotix or Slax or PC-BSD or any other small projects.
50 • Donations (by fdavid on 2005-11-08 16:58:06 GMT from Austria)
This donation programme is really nice and I'm glad to see any open source project to be sponsored. Furthermore, I still keep my opinion (which I also expressed when the donation programme started), that most of the sum is Ladislav's money and he can do with it whatever he wants.
So the whole thing is great, with a minor flaw in the way of choosing the project for donation. In my opinion, either the projects for donation should be choosen in a really open manner (e.g. voting for 3 possible candidates each month), or they should be just choosen (secretly) by Ladislav. Keeping the illusion that the readers may influence the choice with nominating projects is often misleading and may make many readers disappointed, when their favourite won't get the donation at the end. Making the readers disappointed is just not the goal of the donation programme - as far as I can judge. ;-)
Example:
I have already nominated a project (I won't put the name here again, because I don't think that I should nominate the project again, if Ladislav didn't like the idea twice to donate to that project), and it was also supported by many other readers. I didn't summerise all of the nominatios so I don't know if other projects had better support among readers.
I just wondered that no nomination summary appaered in any cases and I got no answer if the project is ignored/forgotten/not liked/queued/etc. This, in turn, makes me not to nominate any projects in the future, since it also may go to /dev/null. Ok, it may not be the greatest loss, ever. ;-)
How does the current way of choosing the project for danation look like?
Ladislav makes a suggestion in dww, which is normally agreed by many readers, since there are enough users of almost all of the projects he points out. There are always some readers, who try to nominate other projects, but mostly in vain.
This above written may not be true, just my impression, so it must be handled as such.
So I really hope that I won't be misunderstood, and I would like to see the donation programme in the future let there be any project choosing method.
Thank you Ladislav for Distrowatch and for the donations.
51 • why not consider OpenBSD or a related project? (by escapenguin on 2005-11-08 17:41:43 GMT from United States)
pf came from OpenBSD, and it's an integral part of this very website. The team's latest release is especially innovative with the new malloc and RAID tool in addition to many other improvements. Granted it's hard to choose lately since the BSDs are being so innovative in multiple areas at the same time, but I'd like to cast a vote for the underdog.
52 • Kanotix (by Bryan King on 2005-11-08 18:25:22 GMT from United States)
I agree with the above posters regarding a donation to Kanotix. This is a distribution that incorporates the latest/greatest in a package where everything "just works". You can't ask for more. I know there is no such thing as a perfect operating system, but perhaps Kano has come the closest.
53 • Kanotix (by Jeff on 2005-11-08 18:45:58 GMT from United States)
Although I have Kanotix as a rescue tool, I don't have it installed on my hard drive. It's a great distribution, but I think it lacks polish. And I have had it break by using apt-get. I personally have GenieOS installed on my drive and PCLinuxOS, SuSE and PC-BSD along side it. I think the recent test images of PCLinuxOS are as close to perfect as possible. The hardware detection is great, it installs from livecd, it uses APT for dependency issues, and it's very polished. I also like SuSE 10.0. I added APT to my install and it works well. PC-BSD is also really cool. It has made installating FreeBSD easy and fun. I just hope they upgrade the base to 6.0 since it's stilled based on 5.4. 6.0 has ra0 wireless support built into it which is nice.
I will also add that the new FreeBSD logo does look terrible. I liked the old one better : )
54 • #41 Movie Editors for Linux (by Tom Kennedy on 2005-11-08 20:30:56 GMT from United States)
The two movie editors I've found for Linux are:
- cinelerra http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
- kino http://www.kinodv.org/
Cinelerra is very powerful and is geared more towards professionals. With that power comes more complexity. Kino is less featured, geared towards home users, and easier to learn.
Being not afriad of complexity myself, I just jumped right in and learned cinelerra. I'm not a professional by any stretch of the imagination, but I have used it to edit several videos for my Church.
My only complaint with cinelerra is I've never been able to get DV exporting to work with the canopus advc-100. (Importing works fine, though.) Kino can import and export to the advc, so typically I use kino for capture and playback and cinelerra for all my editing.
(BTW, I highly recomend the advc-100 for converting between NTSC/PAL analog video and firewire-DV. The quality is extremely high, especially for the price. It also makes a nice poor-man's time base corrector.)
I still haven't figured out how to turn DV files into a DVD under Linux, but it's been over a year since I tried. In the past we used some proprietary mswindows software for that.
55 • RE: #53 Kanotix and PCLinuxOS (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-11-09 00:16:44 GMT from Italy)
Sorry to be a jerk, but PCLinuxOS is "cute" (actually "too" cute for my tastes), but I have found it always buggy. The latest release won't even install on my hardware.
As to polish, actually Kanotix has more of it than many others: that is especially evident with the latest RC.
And as to breaking it with apt, one should keep in mind that it is based on Debian Sid, so a bit of knowledge and quite a bit of wisdom are needed. My recipes are: use pinning (to testing), install apt-listbugs and consider carefully what apt wants to do. Besides there are very few breakages which can't be repaired.
56 • RE: #50 Donations (by ladislav on 2005-11-09 01:42:29 GMT from Taiwan)
Thank you for your feedback. It's never easy to please everybody - just read through the above discussion and you'll notice that although the majority of posters have only good things to say about KANOTIX, there is always the odd voice that disagrees.
The same is true about the donations. I started the programme simply because I felt that since I am making a living by reporting on the exciting world of open source software, I should give something back. I was hoping that other web sites with similar business models will join in and that together we'll be able to support more projects. Unfortunately, this hasn't happened.
In fact, some so-called Linux news sites not only refuse to give back, they are happy to display sponsored anti-Linux FUD which they have the audacity to label as "Linux Reference Center"! (Sorry for mentioning this again, but it just drives me crazy every time I see this blatant greed and complete disrespect to all open source software developers who work for free.)
Anyway, the donation policy is simple - if you feel that a project deserves a donation, either email me or nominate it in this forum + include a few words of justification why you think the project should get a donation. I keep a record of all nominations and the most frequently nominated among them will get it - sooner or later. If this sounds too secretive and undemocratic, than it probably is, and for a good reason - running this web site for the last 4+ years has taught me an important lesson: there are people out there who will employ extreme measure to abuse any open voting mechanism.
So I reserve the right to make a final decision based on a prevailing sentiment for the past month, the list of nominated projects and other factors. I also want to reward projects that help running DistroWatch - hence the reason why I suggested FreeBSD for the next donation (although I am now inclining towards awarding it to KANOTIX, since it has been nominated many times already and it might be more in need for money that FreeBSD). I also looked at donating to "R", but their donations system is so cumbersome - I hope they can implement a simple online donations procedure rather than requiring donors to fax credit card forms to a number in Austria.
In short, I don't believe there is a perfect, democratic way of awarding donations. If you feel that your voice is not heard, then I am sorry - my list currently has about 40 projects that are sort of queued up for a future donation, so hopefully your favourite project will also get it some day, but it may take time.
57 • RE: #56 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-11-09 02:23:23 GMT from Italy)
Thanks for a good, wise reply to our "concerns"
As to democracy I couldn't agree more with you. It is a bit foolish to insist on a "democratic" system when it clearly doesn't work (my mind goes to the moderation system of OSNews)
As to donating either to FreeBSD or Kanotix, I agree with you: I am very fond of Freebsd, but Kanotix seems in bad need of funds.
That is very sad, because it has more than 5,000 registered users, and if everybody donated 10EUR a year...
I try to do quite a bit more than that. I am not boasting, it is only that if Kanotix were not there next year for me it would be a little disaster.
So please people, don't argue so much about who gets Ladislav's donations: instead put your money where your mouth is!
58 • BeleniX and other non-Linux kernel GNU distros (by Robert Fortune on 2005-11-09 06:07:19 GMT from United States)
I'm excited about the recent proliferation of attempts to marry non-Linux kernels with a GNU userland that in the minds of many is associated with the Linux kernel only. For example, we now have a distro that uses the FreeBSD kernel to power a GNU/Debian KDE userland (GING), and several distros that start with the Solaris 10 kernel and graft a GNU/Debian userland onto it (Nexenta) or wed it with GNU software through the Gentoo portage system (BeleniX which was this week's featured distro in Distrowatch Weekly).
I think this is an important development. Sun opened the source of Solaris, their version of Unix, to the open source community earlier this year under a GNU-like licence, calling this branch of development OpenSolaris. Solaris 10 is probably the most innovative, cutting edge version of Unix currently available, and it may well emerge as a serious competitor to Linux and certainly to Windows, especially in its new mixed marriages with GNU software.
It's little wonder that after Sun's opening move projects sprung up immediately with the goal of making an OpenSolaris desktop distro that would run on commodity x86 machines, i.e. ordinary PC's.
The first of these was SchilliX, the brain child of Joerg Schilling, the developer of cdrecord and related utilities. SchilliX sticks closest to the OpenSolaris binaries and tries to maintain strict compatibility with Solaris. At this point, SchilliX runs from a text console only; it doesn't as yet have a graphical environment with X window server, display manager and desktop environment. But you can profitably run it from the command line if you want to learn what the new Solaris 10 has to offer.
Then the BeleniX live CD came along which is developed by folks associated with the Sun Development Center in Bangalore, India. They took the Solaris 10 kernel and compiled the XFce desktop environment plus a smattering of useful applications for it and wound up with a pretty nice usable and Linux-like desktop. The next phase of their road plan calls for the development of a hard disk installer and of support for the Gentoo portage system which will make available to BeleniX a host of applications typically run under Linux.
Then yesterday Nexenta (also called GNU/Solaris) was released which marries GNU/Debian to the Solaris 10 kernel. Nexenta comes in a live CD version as well as a version devised for hard disk install, and it makes available some 2000 GNU/Debian packages, with many more to be added in the future. It may still be a little rough around the edges, especially in the area of hardware recognition and support. That is still Solaris' weak point: it used to be run primarily on proprietary Sun equipment, with Sun having total control over the hardware, not in the messy world of PC's with their infinitude of different hardware components.
The BeleniX and Nexenta live CD's run awfully slow; it takes 5-8 min to boot to a full desktop, and another 1-1.5 min to start up Firefox. I communicated about this with the BeleniX developers but I can't say that I really understood the causes of this sluggish performance. However, I was assured that these distros will run reasonably fast when installed on a hard disk. You'll be able to multiboot them with Linux and with Windows.
Finally there is GING which runs GNU/Debian and is powered by the FreeBSD kernel. This live CD runs reasonably fast and offers a respectable assortment of packages, mostly from KDE 3.4, all in the space of 300 MB. It feels like Linux until you start looking at the filesystem, device names, config files etc., much of which looks rather unfamiliar. The same goes for the Solaris distros which are even farther removed from the familiar Linux layout.
I think in the future there will be a lot of ferment in these efforts of fusing stock and trade user-friendly and time-tested "Linux" GNU software with non-Linux kernels. It's worth checking out these distros and keeping tabs on what's happening with them. The OpenSolaris movement in particular will be a force to reckon with, in my opinion. In the end, all of this will probably be to the benefit of the end user of OSS.
Robert
59 • RE: #56 Donations (by fdavid on 2005-11-09 08:41:39 GMT from Austria)
Hi Ladislav,
thank you for your detailed answer. I'm glad to see your care about the issue and I really understand your points.
I may have just not considered that people tend to cheat if there's an open voting system, and if you still want to take into account the opinion of your readers, it is hard to find an easy way to measure the popularity of a nomination.
I presume that any solution to the problem would require quite much administration, which is not desired, either.
A way, how the the point I brought up in my previous post could be addressed, is to communicate to the readers what happens with the "lost" nominations. For example, in every call for nomination could be noted how the nominations are handled. This must not be democratic, or must not meet any requirenments. :-) It should merely define the rules.
Regards,
fdavid
60 • Thanks Tom Kennedy (by yshapedback on 2005-11-09 10:28:04 GMT from Philippines)
thanks for the information.. i think i just have to figure out how to make these programs work with ubuntu
thanks
61 • Fedora Core 5 (by Witek on 2005-11-09 13:19:54 GMT from Poland)
Isn't Fedora postponed to include Gnome 2.14 ?
62 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-11-09 14:13:49 GMT from United States)
I vote Kanotix.
63 • Donations (by anon on 2005-11-10 00:22:49 GMT from Germany)
KANOTIX would be a very good decision for the donations after FreeBSD or vice versa. Both deserve the money and if KANOTIX needs the money more urgently, then give it to them and next time, FreeBSD will receive the donations.
Some projects that also deserve a donation imho are:
- Inkscape, which is one of the most important and advanced applications for graphic design that might leave us with something that is even better than illustrator in the future
- Scribus, a good application that will make the usage of Linux for enterprise systems even more tempting
- Yoper, a small crew of developers that create one of the fastest distros out there and I heard that they desperately need money and new developers (I had used it a long time ago but mainly use Slackware now).
- XSane project, for its continuous effort to integrate scanners into Linux in an easy way.
Just my thoughts :)
64 • donations (by Tim Robinson on 2005-11-10 00:43:30 GMT from United States)
I feel that who gets money, basically from Ladislav's pocket, should ultimately be up to him. He is accountable to no one but himself. I, for one, am delighted that he considers our comments regarding this topic.
So herewith, I'd like to second the motion for Yoper to receive whatever he can give them. I run Yoper and love the blazing speed, the light, one disk size and the intelligent selection of included applications.
Yoper lost Andreas to Suse back in March and with him, their major drive. They are having trouble making progress toward their next major release and could use help.
I've tried Open Suse and see Andreas' handiwork there, as it is incredibly fast on my system compared to 9.1, 9.2, or 9.3.
My vote for Yoper.
And keep up the great work, Ladislav!
65 • 58 • BeleniX and other non-Linux kernel GNU distros (by Antonio on 2005-11-10 00:48:58 GMT from United States)
58 • BeleniX and other non-Linux kernel GNU distros
Thank you for sharing this information with us. Distrowatch is great. I only knew of Schillix and Belenix, and now I have found out about GING. Will check out later.
Thanks.,
66 • GING (by Andrew on 2005-11-10 03:00:06 GMT from Canada)
Ladislav,
your page on GING says that "this distribution appears to be discontinued." What happeed?
67 • Re #66: GING (by Robert Fortune on 2005-11-10 03:13:05 GMT from United States)
Go to the bottom of the current edition of DistroWatch Weekly - New distribution additions. That's where I found out about GING.
Otherwise go to:
http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/ging/
Robert
68 • Ede (by Anonymous on 2005-11-10 16:30:49 GMT from Germany)
I am looking for a distri that have also EDE as windowmanager, but EDE is not in the searchdatabase on distrowatch:( why isn`t it? ede looks good.
69 • Donation pick (by rob from Mt. Healthy on 2005-11-10 18:41:59 GMT from United States)
I agree with #3. The tellico collection manager is a very useful application. I started using it back when it was called 'bookcase' . The author was quick replying to an email question I sent, and he had quickly fixed a bug I encountered.
http://www.periapsis.org/tellico/
70 • Donations from readers (by Anonymous on 2005-11-10 20:31:36 GMT from Hungary)
Ladislav, why not set up a donation page on DW so that we, readers can also donate. You could then in turn transfer our donations to projects. This way more projects could be supported with money.
71 • More: Donations from readers (by Bill Savoie at 2005-11-10 21:59:40 GMT from United States)
I agree with #70. we see all this 'free' stuff and we feel guilty. It would be great if we could donate without much difficulty. Something like a click here button to donate on each distro page! It doesn't have to be on the DistroWatch home page, just a little link, like were the forum page is found.
Once that was operational, a 'donate link count' could be added to see/show how many times the link had been clicked on.
Maybe some time later, like 2007, it would be even better if a 'paypal' or some mechanism could be added and the amount contributed to all projects could be displayed on the home page. I would think a moving sum of the last 6 months might be several thousand dollars/URO/what ever. We could really experience the spirit of 'Open Source' and feel generous!
Thanks for all your work..
72 • Yes please donate to FreeBSD! (by ChrisW on 2005-11-10 22:54:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
I run a small suite of FreeBSD desktops for a voluntary community computer center. I install from the CD then add apps from ports. I find the apps are mostly right bang up to date and everything works beautifully. As a desktop it rocks and is solid as a rock even on lower spec machines. The FreeBSD project is also a tremendously important source of development initiative for the free/open source software community. Projects like PCBSD, FreeSBIE, etc wouldn't exist without it and there is plenty of spin off for Linux in terms of code sharing as well. I agree work on improving ease of installation would help newbies, eg autodetecting for X and perhaps a donation could push this along a little. I understand Linux already has a number of paid developers. As far as I know FreeBSD doesn't (though some of the developers are in paid work which allows them to work on FreeBSD). I think a donation to FreeBSD would have enormous benefit for the the whole free software community.
73 • WELL DONE DISTROWATCH (by Hiran Perera on 2005-11-11 07:27:29 GMT from Sri Lanka)
This is a fantastic website dedicated to linux. I was amazed by its well organized lists on linux distros. I visit this site daily to get myself up to date on the linux world. I'm quite new to linux. I currently use Mandrake lINUX 10.1 + i have the live cd's of knoppix 3.9 & thaprobane (A srilankan distro) I have gained a lot of info on linux through this site.
I even recommend my friends to browse through the info..
I hope to learn more on linux and contribute towards it..
My Quote "Wanna free up your hard disk!!!!!
Delete WINDOWS" hahahahahaha
74 • Re: Ede (by Ariszló on 2005-11-11 11:01:17 GMT from Hungary)
Anonymous wrote: I am looking for a distri that have also EDE as windowmanager, but EDE is not in the searchdatabase on distrowatch.
Search for Equinox:
http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=All&desktop=Equinox
and you will find STX Linux:
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=stx
http://stibs.cc/stx/
75 • Donation (by Jim C on 2005-11-12 00:47:53 GMT from United Kingdom)
I recall a while back it was said that donations would not be going to the bigger distros , as it was felt it wasn't appreciated.
I just noted on the Geebox web page they are losing their free hosting server in January. a prime candidate for support then?
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