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1 • Knoppix DVD4 (by d00m3d on 2005-08-22 11:30:27 GMT from Hong Kong) |
In Knoppix-4.0.1, the gcc-3.3.6, gcc-3.4.4 and gcc-4.0.1 are included. In addition, g++-3.3.6 and g++-4.0.1 (but no g++-3.4.4) are also included. However, the default symlink for gcc is 3.3.6 while g++ is pointed to 4.0.1 which is very uncommon.
I reported this strange complier symbolic links (another bug?) in Knoppix forum, hope the developers will fix it too.
2 • 34rd edition? (by Sven Zallmann on 2005-08-22 11:38:43 GMT from Germany)
/me thinks it has to read '34th edition' :)
I know by now that you are not a native English speaker (neither am I), but this one is not to be expected by someone who lives in a largely English speaking country. Found a few other typos but didn't care to report them; if you want, I can email them to you :)
3 • aLinux (by Walter Kruse on 2005-08-22 11:52:32 GMT from South Africa)
I have been using aLinux since December 2002 it was still Peanut 9.4. It has always been a pleasure to use, and really taught me a lot about how a distro is put together. The distro makes me want to boot up and tinker. It includes everything a moderate power user could want. Very good community too. And all of this put together by one man...
4 • Suse Repositories. Yast and apt (by Derrick Gaskin on 2005-08-22 12:10:29 GMT from United States)
I have noticed that you can add the Packman repository to Yast.
I was able to install the win32 codecs just as easily as using apt.
Opensuse.org had a nice little doc on it's download page showing how to set it up.
5 • aLinux (by Charles Loader on 2005-08-22 12:27:17 GMT from Canada)
ALinux is an odd bird. I installed Peanut years ago and it worked well but I have never managed to install Peanut - aLinux since on any of my computers. I think it is connected with the Nvidia cards or the like. It starts to install, installs the compressed image and then wants to reboot and start over. Vector Linux behaves similarly. I have no problems with Kanotix, Mepis, DSL and most others I have tried. Anyone else had similar experiences or got a solution? This surely cannot be that rare an experience. It must be very off putting for new Linux users.
6 • Upgrading a SUSE beta to the next (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-08-22 12:47:43 GMT from Italy)
I wonder if that could be done with apt, possibly by using the component "base" ?
7 • Unionfs bugs and Live CDs (by Anon on 2005-08-22 13:14:59 GMT from United States)
Going by the problems that Knoppix has been facing, It seems that Unionfs has some serious problems which have not been ironed out yet.
For those that are not aware, unionfs provides a pseudo file system that merges several directories/partitions into a virtual file system ("union"). When one of the "branches" of the tree is writable, then the union is writable, and this allows, in theory, for live CDs, which typically use read-only filesystems, to provide self-updating capability (as in "apt-get" for debian-based systems).
Many linux liveCD distros were too quick to adopt to unionfs before it has been sufficiently debugged and tested. This lack of quality-control on this occasion is a bit disappointing, in that, I am unable to recommend stellar distros like Knoppix/Kanotix to other folks, by the virtue of their unionfs bugs and issues :(
But, kanotix has a boottime flag that turns unionfs off, but I am not sure if Knoppix 4.0 has something like it. If not, I'd suggest Mr. Knopper to include this feature in 4.0.2.
8 • UnionFS Bugs (by Flavio de Oliveira on 2005-08-22 13:51:13 GMT from Brazil)
UnionFS has some bugs but it's better then other filesystems for livecds...
We are using UnionFS since march, and we only have to study and know its bugs... UnionFS, it's my personal opinion, made a livecd virtually equal an installed distro... I never tested Knoppix, but I really don't think Mr. Knopper doesn't know how-to work with UnionFS...
UnionFS is now adopt by many famous livecds like Knoppix and Slax...
GoblinX Mini uses a new UnionFS snapshot which seems to be more stable...
BTW, very nice the GoblinX Mini screenshot, thanks Mr. Bodnar...
9 • A web site bug (by Sven Zallmann on 2005-08-22 14:49:20 GMT from Germany)
I am reading through old issues of DWW and found the comment are in http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20040223">issue 37 to be messed up: the text is going way beyond the right border of the screen with no scrollbar appearing (Firefox 1.0.6 on WinXP/SP2 (at work)). This is probably due to an extremely long link posted in the lower area of the comments.
Thought you might want to know :)
10 • RE: Charles Loader comment (by DaveW on 2005-08-22 16:51:40 GMT from United States)
I haven't tried ALinux, but have the same install problem with Vector and a few others. I have the Nvidia MX200 card, and agree that the problem seems to involve some video bug in certain distros. When I tried to install Vector in an ancient PII 133 machine with some onboard video card, the problem did not arise.
Some years ago the same thing happened with LibraNet. I emailed the producers and they sent a new cd with VESA instead of the usual video mode and it worked fine. So, no solutions, unfortunately, and there's been no useful response from any of the distro sites. If there's a cheat code to use vesa in the install, try that, and I'd bet it will work OK.
11 • GentooTH (by James at 2005-08-22 17:30:04 GMT from United States)
looks like march of the penguins the movie
ok im off to try alinux
12 • No subject (by 1c3d0g on 2005-08-22 17:36:27 GMT from Aruba)
aLinux certainly looks interesting...but I'm not clear on the package manager. Is it a GUI-based or console-based package manager? And how would it be different to, say, Kubuntu? Either way it looks like a good distro. Might give it a try. :-)
13 • No subject (by Jeff on 2005-08-22 20:54:32 GMT from United States)
I've always like Debian myself. Can't stand RPM-based distros. I'm using Debian Pure (www.debianpure.com). Haven't had a problem with it yet. Just my $0.02.
14 • Alinux (by MikeT on 2005-08-22 21:22:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
I have played with Peanut for several years, since Peanut 8.4. It has always proved quirky to install but never ceases to amaze me how well it performs. It always seems to do much more than my "up-to-date" Mandriva installation. I can't get Real Player to install on Mandriva, but Alinux runs it so easily. Amazing!
15 • Live+ (by Dave Florence on 2005-08-22 21:56:12 GMT from United States)
Been attempting to get the Live+ distro, but the serever only allows 9 connections to max out. It would seem to me they would mirror the downloads, so people could get this distro. Why make an announcement, if you do not make the release accessable?
16 • Alinux (by nybronx on 2005-08-23 00:11:20 GMT from United States)
Now I say "YEAH" to this distro but I gotta tell ya after the install I couldn't for the life of me get it to boot to the gui. Now that note on nvidia gave me pause cause I got me an ol geforce 2 but I was able to start it and play around with it before I got flustered. Am I the only one that saw no bootloader with this distro..? Is it fixed with this latest release..? Ahh maybe I'm just not gettin it....(see flustered :)
17 • Re: Alinux is an odd bird (by Clint Canada on 2005-08-23 00:51:30 GMT from Philippines)
Well, you're correct on that one. Originally slackware-based, it evolved into a rpm-based distro, only recently going with the apt4rpm/synaptic package from the pnutproject experiment (see the original project page that got apt4rpm started on alinux http://www.videomedic.net/pnut/). As for Vector and Alinux being similar, Vector's installer and packages was originally based on peanutlinux, if I get that correctly, and both of the developers are very good friends.
12.5 should be stable... it is based on the same installer as peanut 9.5 was, bz2 based package (not live cd now). You can test it if it runs on your system by running the test .iso (7mb) on your computer if it runs ok.
18 • BLAG (by im_ka on 2005-08-23 01:34:07 GMT from Sweden)
ubuntu 5.04 has been acting strange (...) lately so i thought i give blag a try... it's great to see that there's a distro that equals what i would make out of fedora for myself, and it comes on one cd. afaik 100% fedora compatible.
so you can put blag besides kanotix on the list of underrated distros
19 • knoppix and etc (by reub on 2005-08-23 01:35:55 GMT from United States)
You'd think if a CD was 3170MB, and contrained a compressed filesystem, that it would contain everything under the sun. But where is amaroK on the latest version of knoppix. And where is xmingw in case I wanted to quickly compile something for windows? Or what about Qemu 0.7.1 with either kqemu or qvm86?
Also, what's with distros trying to copy the look of Windows? Why?
20 • Looks Extreme! (by OS Case on 2005-08-23 01:52:44 GMT from Bahrain)
Text dialog installer by the looks, but kickass graphics if it's for real? ................. off to give it a try. That pnutproject looks interesting too. I dont mind Aplha/Beta... anything OS ;-/
21 • GentooTH - March of the Penguins Indeed! (by MadHunter on 2005-08-23 04:17:18 GMT from United States)
I was beaten to the punch with this observation... but it's quite a valid one. Is that pic that they use a "free" pic? Or is it something being taken from March of the Penguins without legal license?
22 • Copying Windows (by mixmatch on 2005-08-23 06:52:28 GMT from United States)
I have to agree with the guy commenting on copying windows. It seems the featured distro a few weeks ago did this and alinux seems to be trying it as well. Linux is unique from windows and I find no need for it to be associated with windows in any way. Please, distro makers, try to move away from windows XP themes. There are better themes available, and they don't degrade linux.
23 • Major SUSE 10.0 Beta 2 Changes (by Anonymous on 2005-08-23 07:38:25 GMT from Germany)
24 • E for donation? (by butters on 2005-08-23 10:52:44 GMT from United States)
I remember when Rasterman announced E17, saying it would be a extraordinarily ambitious undertaking to do a desktop environment the right way from the start. Then there was a ping every six months or so (in response to "E is dead" posts) for several years. Now it seems like there is momentum towards an actual release, possibly within a year or so. E is unlike most other free software projects, especially the other DEs. It doesn't rely on fast development cycles, incremental improvements, and large testing communities. This is more like a commercial development model, spending years in stealth mode before arriving on the scene with a revolutionary product--except it will be free software.
We can hope that KDE 4.0 (late 2006) will turn out to be as evolutionary as Aaron Seigo is planning, and we can hope that the corresponding GNOME (2.16 / 3.0 / 3.2) will live up to the vision of Miguel de Icaza. But if E17 sees a stable release in late 2006, there will be no question which DE will be most indicative of the future of free software on the desktop.
Speaking of helping out small projects, how about pointing the next DistroWatch donation at project whose potential impact on free software is enormous compared to its size?
25 • read: I'm changing my endorsement (by butters on 2005-08-23 11:03:11 GMT from United States)
Yes, I did post here about supporting Xgl last week, but now I realize that that stuff is pretty irrelevent if we have the EFL libraries. Plus, the Enlightenment project is smaller than X.org/Freedesktop, and the latter doesn't have the same kind of vision (EXA is a typical free software stopgap that we'll have to live with for years because it is easier than Xgl). I'm flip-flopping, which we all know discredits anything I say...
26 • IRC Channel (by ladislav on 2005-08-23 12:17:37 GMT from Taiwan)
A reader suggested that perhaps we should create an IRC channel for distro-related discussions. If you care to join in, please log on to
irc.freenode.net, chatroom #distrowatch
This is just an experiment to gauge the interest, so come and join us. If things go well, we'll make a more formal announcement next week.
27 • A joke? (by Bremac on 2005-08-23 15:33:12 GMT from Canada)
The lines "Of course, since aLinux is a hobby project developed in Canada, its developer has so far demonstrated little respect for various US patent and trademark laws; this has already attracted some attention of Microsoft's lawyers." are unbelievable. Can people really be offensive enough to suggest it's because they're Canadian, that they violate laws at will?
28 • What A Wonderful Idea (by Macaulay O James on 2005-08-23 18:53:10 GMT from Israel)
My Name is Macaulay James, Of Plot 134 Festac link Road Amuwo Odofin. An Orphan from Africa, Lagos, Nigeria to be precised. in other to better my life and have a brighter future.
I decided to take the bull by the Horn( my Destiney) by enrolling in A+ Training which i am currently doing. i the process of learning, i was introduce to so many operating systems. But i was shock today when my Lecturer brought up an Os in the lecture room, Called UBUNTU. The my did not ring a bell cos it sounds odd, but on loading it the so -called UBUNTU it became more interesting and everyone in the lecture hall developed an imazing attention to this new introduced Os called UBUNTU.
He made us to understand that we don't need to load any other applications to it. that UBUNTU comes fully loaded with all the applications every system and user requires .
Every student in the lecture hall was ancious to have, And there and then he gave us a more shocking new "it is free, you all can get it for free without any charge". Every screamed on top of their voice including me. I personally wrote down the Website. I loged to the site and did all the registration and i did not see any page asking of Money , that is pretty wonderful, But that is not the main issue here. The main issue uniqueness of this UBUNTU, the Screen Saver and all the wonderful Funtions and guidelines which is step to step. I praise all the wonderful brain behind this weonderful development , And I pray that God that gave you this Idea will continue to Increase all of you in Knowledge and Wisdom to keep it alive for Humanity to use.
NOTE: 97 % OF THE PEOPLE IN MY COUNTRY
ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT
BUT IF YOUR ORGANISATION GIVES ME THE RIGHT I WILL DEVOTE MYSELF TO CREATE AWARENESS OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT CALLED UBUNTU.
MACAULAY O JAMES
29 • Re: A joke? (by Andrew on 2005-08-23 19:36:45 GMT from Canada)
No, you misinterpret. It suggests that because the're Canadian, they can violate American laws at will. Examples gay marriage, legalised marijuana in volume of <30oz., and libdvdcss2 (still legal in Canada). Besides, people like Member of Parliament Carrolyn Parrish, famous for proclaiming "damn Americans, I hate those bastards!", and stamping on a doll resembling George Bush on publicly funded television, do nothing to reinforce our image projecting complete disregard for the USA (never mind that they patrol our border for us, and that they serve as our surrogate military).
Sorry for the off-topic, flame-basting rant.
Note: Carrolyn Parrish was a member of the federal caucus (MP for Missisaugua-Erindale) until she proclaimed on publicly funded radio that she didn't care whether her party's leader won or lost the election, at which point she was forced to sit as an independant MP.
30 • I agree!!! (by 1c3d0g on 2005-08-23 20:09:22 GMT from Aruba)
Totally concur with you guys. The Enlightenment project DEFINITELY deserves a donation! Enlightenment has shown us the light...they're one of the very few project that are truly innovative (just look at their latest Desktop shell)...and a lot of man-hours have been poured into the project to make it work. Enlightenment deserves a chance. :-)
31 • Re: A joke? (by warpengi on 2005-08-23 20:49:14 GMT from Canada)
I partly agree with Andrew and that is that Canadian laws and u.s. laws are not identical and thus some of the perceived violations are not that at all. I don't think the original statement was a slander on Canada at all
That said many Canadians were proud of Carolyn Parrish when she said what she did about Americans in the context of the Iraq war. The real image problem is not stamping on George Bush dolls on This Hour has 22 Minutes, a COMEDY show well known for lampooning politicians and the world in general. The real image problem is with those who are murdering and terrorizing Iraqi's in an illegal war and occupation.
As far as Canadians having a surrogate military, show me the borders we need to protect. Oh ya, we only border on one country, the u.s.
Now, I don't hate Americans, I have 2 in-laws that are u.s'ers. My in-laws are wonderful people who deplore what is being done in their name.
Sorry was this a Linux site? Oops!
I'm going to try aLinux just because they have the gall to violate patents. I do file sharing too. This is Canada, I'm allowed to share. At least for now.
32 • A joke? and a little bit more . . . (by Antonio on 2005-08-24 02:11:49 GMT from United States)
Many times the laws that were written were meant to be broken. Thank god there exists libdvdcss2, mp3, win32 codecs, MPlayer, and all free goodies. We can watch movies, listen to mp3's, make mp3's with lame all in Linux. Many great distros to use. Many distros will not have this or that, but we can get those packages and install them. Or we can use a live cd.
They will run very nicely. In some cases, we are very lucky in that we can use a live cd and connect to the internet with a pci winmodem. In case you did not know, KANOTIX contains LTModem, and Slmodem drivers. We can connect easily to the internet with a few commands away. I am an excited person that recommends linux to many people. I highly recommend KANOTIX, it is one of the best kept secrets in the Linux World. A big high five to Jörg Schirottke aka Kano the master behind it. I have read some other distro's will follow in inserting winmodem drivers. SUSE also did an excellent job with this as they also have drivers for winmodems. A big salute to all linux and bsd lovers around the globe.
33 • linux 12.0 (by Mr. Kamrul Hasan on 2005-08-24 05:32:58 GMT from Bangladesh)
I want this is the first and most sophisticated operting system in the world. And it is add to note that its FIREWALL
is too Great.. Finally i have the crying need of current virsion.please give its Current Virsion to me for Resurch.
34 • Penguines (by William Roddy on 2005-08-25 06:17:33 GMT from United States)
There's a great shot of emperor pengines on National Geographic's site that could be used as wallpaper on personal machines. It's downloadable, but I would imagine copywrite would prvent it's being used as a distribution's background.
And I think the penguine wallpaper shown this week on GentooTH has been around before the movie. I seem to remember one quite similar to it, having seen it for the first time on one of the Russian Linux distros. Maybe I'm wrong. I haven't seen the movie, but my brother says it's great.
35 • if these distro's cost money how come there are free downloads (by pinny on 2005-08-25 17:29:26 GMT from United States)
Ok I am confused here. Most distro's out there on Distrowatch cost money to buy yet have free downloads. If you are supposed to buy it why do they give out free d/l's?
36 • DW podcast (by Mark on 2005-08-25 19:57:43 GMT from United States)
Its great to hear that DW is now podcasting. My only problem is I can't find the xml feed so I can subscribe?
37 • @if these distro's cost money how come there are free downloads (by Antonio on 2005-08-25 22:09:48 GMT from United States)
You get the distribution downloaded for free but without the support and customer service and without the documentation that comes with boxed sets. You are still getting the same linux distro but without support and few to none documentation. You will get a name like limited edition/download edition as an example if you get Mandriva. You may also download but you must provide your email address or something like that.
Another reason that you can download is if the product has been in use and released later like SUSE used to do it before they became OPEN SUSE.
I hope I clarified things up a bit, Else someone will probably clarify my points as well.
38 • RE: @if these distro's cost money how come there are free downloads (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-08-27 15:44:31 GMT from Italy)
Well said. To be added that in fact the majority of distros are free by their very nature. There are very few you *have* to buy (Libranet, Linspire, Xandros...But even those distros give you freebies) and a few more you can buy if you want (SUSE, Mandriva...)
As to the documentation you won't get the printed one, but normally you can get it in digital form.
You can get various forms of support also with the free distros, mainly forums and quite often replies from the developers themselves, like in Kanotix and many others.
Of course many free distros offer a premium version or extra services that you can buy if you want.
39 • And besides... (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-08-28 01:46:24 GMT from Italy)
And besides you can copy a commercial linux distro from a friend and it is perfectly legal. Or you can buy one copy and put it on a thousand computers, also perfectly legal...
40 • No subject (by Misty on 2005-08-28 23:35:01 GMT from United States)
Spent 5 days downloading aLinux with a download manager (I'm on dial-up) and it won't boot the installer. It just fails to boot and says press any key to try again. Over and over. Grrrrr, snarl, growl....... Has anyone else experienced this?
Yes, I could buy the cds, but I'm poor. I only have a small savings account, no regular bank account and I don't want to set up paypal to sraw for my savings, what little of it there is.
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View our range including the Star Lite, Star LabTop and more. Available with a choice of Ubuntu or Linux Mint pre-installed with many more distributions supported. Visit Star Labs for information, to buy and get support.
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BearOps Desktop Linux OS
Whether you are a business or home user, BearOps Linux Desktop OS offers unrivalled value, functionality and user-friendly features. BearOps Linux gives you the easiest automated self installer on the market today and includes a ton of industry recognized application software that can be used and enjoyed by all. If you are a Windows user now, BearOps Linux makes the transition easy with a familiar look and feel. And, because BearOps Linux Desktop OS safely co-exists with Windows, you have the flexibility of running dual operating systems. Enjoy all the great Linux software while keeping Windows and its applications available. If you are new to computers or upgrading, BearOps Linux offers easy installation to get you up and running right away, plus lots of useful software that's perfect for a small budget. And you also get Linux's legendary operational stability. BearOps Linux Desktop OS truly was the safest, easiest way to get Linux on your system.