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1 • awesome review! (by phoenix00 on 2005-08-08 10:18:53 GMT from Canada) |
Good job filling in for Robert & Ladislav! Enjoyed reading this week's DWW very much.
I'll be sure to visit madpenguin regularly from now on.
2 • Great work. Gentoo 2005.1 released, new alpha-installer (by Mark Kowarsky on 2005-08-08 10:30:36 GMT from Australia)
Terrific work Adam on your excellent effort at the DistroWatch Weekly.
For those that wish to know, Gentoo 2005.1 has been released. There is also an experimental livecd (with a GUI like knoppix) that can be used to install gentoo in multiple ways.
Links are currently down, check up on www.gentoo.org for more info later.
3 • Good read (by Michael Magua on 2005-08-08 10:34:16 GMT from South Africa)
Very interesting this week! Thanks ;-)
4 • Wowow ! (by Kazekami on 2005-08-08 10:42:18 GMT from France)
Really excellent work :)
You've rised the level of this excellent weekly paper by 1.
Ladislav, It'll be tough ;) , but I'm sure you'll do as good as Adam when you come back from holidays.
5 • DesktopBSD (by Petr Bren on 2005-08-08 10:57:42 GMT from Czech Republic)
What is the main difference in purpose between PC-BSD and DesktopBSD? Their goals seem to be pretty much the same. Furthermore, the DesktopBSD people seem to have taken and manipulated the term "free software." In their view, it means free as in free of charge and has nothing to do with freedom. That's very sad, considering the effort of FSF to explain the connotations of the term in the last 20 years.
6 • cotton & spandex (by kip on 2005-08-08 11:10:02 GMT from China)
I like the feel of cotton against spandex. Oh, and I also liked the way you wrote this week's DistroWatch Weekly.
7 • Vidalinux (by Vic on 2005-08-08 11:16:31 GMT from Luxembourg)
As for Vidalinux, I have to agree with the author. Especially their support is really bad for the reasons Adam has mentioned.
8 • distrowatch (by terry lynch on 2005-08-08 11:19:28 GMT from Ireland)
very enjoyable ! keep up the good work!
9 • Distrowatch Weekly, Gentoo 2005.1 (by Pyr0 on 2005-08-08 11:37:08 GMT from United Kingdom)
Great issue, well written, and an enjoyable read, thanks
@Mark Kowarsky - where/how did you find that gentoo 2005.1 had been released?
i can't find any refrence to it at all on the gentoo site :(
10 • The BSDs (by JimK on 2005-08-08 12:05:51 GMT from United States)
Thanks for your comments on the FreeBSDs for the desktop. I wasn't familiar with DesktopBSD, but I'll take a look at it.
Also, NetBSD 3 was supposed to be released in July, but I can't find any news about it. It's not up on their FTP servers yet. Does anybody know when it might be released? (And please, no wags tell me it'll be released when it's ready :-) )
11 • RE: Gentoo 2005.1 (by Mark Kowarsky on 2005-08-08 12:39:23 GMT from Australia)
Pyr0, I found out that 2005.1 had been released from my akregator feeding the gentoo.org news. The item was:
The Gentoo Foundation is both pleased and proud to announce the much anticipated
release of Gentoo Linux 2005.1 (Codename: 'El Nino'). Due to a scheduled power
outage at the Open Source Laboratory (OSUOSL) affecting our master mirror, the
release is currently only available for download via BitTorrent.
We anticipate recovery from the downtime and full staging of release material to
mirrors within 48 hours, accompanied by a comprehensive press release and ChangeLog.
Much thanks to Friends of Gentoo e.V.
for providing a stable and reliable tracker on short notice.
Since then however due to bugs in some release media, the release has been delayed.
12 • Gentoo 2005.1 (by Pyr0 on 2005-08-08 12:47:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
thanks mark, i've been looking forward to the 2005.1 release since Vista trashed my previous x86_64 install :-(
i'm just waiting for the new release to reinstall again ;-)
i guess i'll just keep checking the gentoo site (every hour :-P)
thanks again :-)
13 • Distrowatch Weekly (by consultan2k on 2005-08-08 12:58:52 GMT from Malaysia)
Excellent review and useful Tips and tricks...
14 • Nice Job! (by MichiganMud on 2005-08-08 13:10:21 GMT from United States)
Well done, Adam! You've filled in admirably for Ladislav -- and that's no simple matter. It's great that he can take a break and know the site is in capable hands.
Oh... and, I promise not to start any fights over OneBase while Papa Ladi is away ;)
15 • I wait all week (by William Roddy on 2005-08-08 13:50:13 GMT from United States)
I wait all week and this is what I get? Excellence. What kind of an outfit is this that I can't ever find a bit of mediocrity here?
As for attire, I prefer the new Spandex toga.
Thanks. Great read.
16 • Off subject-->windows media play as default stream for Streaming Media (by Scott Wilson on 2005-08-08 13:55:36 GMT from United States)
I found this article, seems I know now why all of the Internet streaming media is windows Media player. So much for the EU victory over MS anti trust lawsuit. http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/index.cfm?go=news.view&news=4952
My only complaint, why did you post a link that takes readers to SCO web site?
Gentoo, its all right, I refuse to use it or read about it since Mr. Robbins (gentoo founder) is a paid informant err, consultant for Microsoft "open source" program.
17 • while the cat is away the mice must play. (by crawancon on 2005-08-08 14:48:17 GMT from United States)
well, its hard to mention any of the BSD's anymore without starting a flamewar.
Please be gentle.
The way i see it, the BSD's in general make excellent server OS's. Desktop OS's, not quite so much, but improving. It just seems like they aren't quite as actively saught after. Something like GNU/Linux has niche'd itself as the weekend warrior's/tweaker's/etc experiment, while the BSD's have, while perhaps being a better implementation of something like tcp stack, lack creativity, robustness, and overall "hey you, geek, come play in this sandbox!" feel to it. Its a pity the users of both don't get along with each other. something about egos i guess. GNU/Linux seems to greet me with open arms "come, play with me! i will do what you tell me!" while bsd seems to give the "Hey, n00bie, the filesystem you requested isn't supported yet and we won't say when! hahahah!!!"
all those arguments usually end with "its what you want out of it that depends on which one you should use."
so to nutshell it:
linux =some server/ anywhere else. whether its a nintendo DS running sash, an xbox, (yes i know, freebsd just started running on it.. but still.) or some other odd platform of irony. etc.
its just too popular now to stop from oozing into everywhere in the market.
and to comment on VidaLinux, i installed it, ran it, deleted it. in that order. nothing exquisite. does offer a stage3 gentoo install with anaconda installer with some default settings some would appreciate. couldn't find anything negative or great to say. sux to hear about their support though.
P.S.: good job, mr mad penguin.
P.S.S. ...and why isnt there a *nix shell called nut?
then there could be an o'riely book called Nutshell in a Nutshell.
18 • Gentoo 2005.1 (by Dr. Zhu on 2005-08-08 15:16:36 GMT from United States)
Officially announced on gentoo.org, so time for me to go to bed...
19 • Great Edition! (by GWJ Mateo on 2005-08-08 15:35:35 GMT from United States)
Adam, great work as always.
I say I'd have to agree with the overall assessment of VidaLinux.
I did not experience a single hiccup with the install, or the basic desktop, but the treatment of people who did in the forums was enough to make me chuck the disk out and uninstall.
If gentoo's installer works, I can't see any real need for Vida, particularly if they treat customers like that. Each free version downloaded is a potential sale, you'd think they'd have a better view of the customer.
20 • Miscellaneous comments... (by Mark Tomlinson on 2005-08-08 16:03:29 GMT from United States)
Nice job, Adam - when I read Ladislav's announcement last week, I was pleased to see he would leave the Weekly in good hands.
I'm looking forward to trying OpenSUSE when it becomes available. I've installed & played with several of their releases, but just never could get comfortable, maybe it's the RPM vs. DEB thing...
VidaLinux - I downloaded the 1.2 release when it became available, looking forward to trying Gentoo without the pain. Before I installed it, I checked out the forum (as I try to do with any distro I haven't tried before) and saw the posts you mentioned. I promptly deleted the ISO - even with language and cultural differences, I find that sort of behavior to be extremely rude.
Oh, and cotton, by all means.
21 • The Menu Bar (by Sigma on 2005-08-08 16:56:14 GMT from United States)
In the VidaLinux screen shot you have posted, what is that menu bar that is similar to the dashboard in Mac OS. Can i download that and add it to fedora core 4?
22 • About VidaLinux (by IMQ on 2005-08-08 17:00:00 GMT from United States)
I have to agree with some other posts here about the future of VLOS. With the kind of attitude they have toward the users, they won't last very long. It goes to show they go about the wrong way to make money around open-source products. Frankly, I doubt they will ever change.
I had VLOS installed on my test PC but will soon replace their install with the genuine Gentoo when I get the time.
For those who are still contemplate on giving it a test, beware that the installer will overwrite your current bootloader even though you tell it not to.
23 • Great job on a great article (by Sphinx on 2005-08-08 17:48:54 GMT from United States)
Keep 'em comin'.
24 • just read most recent threads in vlos forums (by henry on 2005-08-08 18:22:23 GMT from United Kingdom)
I can't find any of this fabled disrespect. I've even found many posts saying "I can't believe this treatment, I'm throwing the CD away" (about as many as those claiming the contrary), but I can't find the abuse.
jamiefoxer's review wasnt an "honest review of the download edition", as he put it. for christ's sake, he starts off with "i liked vida 1.1. vida 1.2 is not as good. here's why." He only mentions that he was using the dl edition a good few lines on.
the supposed disrespect in the reply he got has been inferred purely by its wording - one of the last things to be perfected when learning a language.
The next reply to him about reading before talking only matches the tone of "DOn't emerge -update your system/world. It broke my X configuration and ethernet-cable modem settings.".
No mention by anyone here of the post a few more lines down about the upcoming changes to the dl version to fix some of these bugs.
From there on the thread takes the tone of a typical linux forum.
25 • Re: The Menu Bar (by Joe User on 2005-08-08 18:28:16 GMT from United States)
The menu bar appears to be Engage, which is part of the Enlightenment DR17 project. It works like the Mac dock, not dashboard. I don't know if it is available for Fedora, but I can tell you that it's under heavy development still.
26 • Slackware and 2.6 kernel (by Paul Whalley on 2005-08-08 18:36:00 GMT from United States)
Some of us keep waiting for PV to release Slack with a 2.6 kernel (not just in "testing"). The 2.6 kernel has been out for 8 months and seems to be working nicely. Maybe its time.
On the other hand, checking back through old versions of Slack, the 2.4 kernel had been out for 17 months before releasing it officially in Slack 8.1. If history is any gauge, we might be in for a long wait.
27 • Good Job! (by srlinuxx on 2005-08-08 18:39:10 GMT from United States)
Wonderful job fillin' in. You've done Ladislav proud. But I guess we shouldn't be surprised, as the articles on MadPenguin are always top-notch and professionally written. Great interview and awesome Tip & Tricks (I'm inspired to advance beyond the secure shell now.). :D
28 • Slackware and 2.6 kernel (by Lloyd on 2005-08-08 19:59:25 GMT from United States)
To Paul Whalley above,
2.6 kernel hasn't been out for 8 months, you are quite a bit off actually. 2.6 kernel has been out almost 20months actually, you are an entire year off. I remember using 2.6.0-test# kernels quite a bit and then switched right to 2.6.0 when it dropped into stable. The exact release date of 2.6.0 test was:
maybe do a little more research next time ;)
As far as Pat V. using 2.6 to bring into slackware and no longer be in just /testing, I'm all for it but there are still times where 2.6 just shows signs of still needing a little more stabilization. If I want 2.6 kernel I just compile the latest source from kernel.org with my own configs, not like it's that big of a deal.
29 • BSD (by Luk van den Borne on 2005-08-08 20:32:07 GMT from Netherlands)
Regarding BSD, I don't think it is as ready for desktop as GNU/Linux is. For example: FreeBSD 5.x(tried them all, incl. 5-stable) all failed to boot with my iPod connected, and would crash if I connected it afterwards.
Also, there's no smartbattery or DRI support for my laptop. I'm talking about a i855GM chipset, which far from new. Linux has already supported it for ages.
Not to mention that some desktop oriented ports are ocasionally broken. Most of the time they are fixed within a couple of hours, but annoying/frustrating nonetheless.
Don't get me wrong. I would love to be able to use (Free)BSD on my desktop on a daily basis. FreeBSD does a lot of things better than most Linux distro's. But to me, those things are less important than the absence of my multimedia stuff.
30 • menu bar (by GWJ Mateo on 2005-08-08 21:05:36 GMT from United States)
Actually, that's gdesklets, which is installed by default on the DL edition of Vida.
Engage is similar. It looks like they rebranded the startbar desklet:
31 • 2.6 kernel and Slackware (by Lloyd on 2005-08-08 22:14:20 GMT from United States)
Correction from above
The exact release date of 2.6.0 test was:
actually meant to say the exact release date of 2.6.0 stable was:
2.6.0-test was going on long before then.....
32 • VidaLinux Performance Issue (by linuxrocks123 on 2005-08-08 22:20:39 GMT from United States)
It sounds like your performance problem may be due to a lack of hard drive DMA acceleration. I've never used VidaLinux, but I've noticed the issue before with certain kernels on my laptop. You can check if this is it using hdparm.
"There's no need for red-hot pokers. Hell is -- other people!"
33 • VidaLinux and Gentoo (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-08-08 22:38:03 GMT from Italy)
Actually, as it has already been mentioned, a proper Gentoo installer has just been released. It is only the the first alpha, but in due time it can make dubious projects like Vidalinux redundant.
I am downloading it now.
34 • Vida (by Theweakend on 2005-08-08 22:52:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
Yeah I was very dissappointed in vida as well in 1.2. As you said they left such great standards after 1.1 I guess they just couldn't keep up to that also If I may I think the relise cycle (evey 6 months I believe) Needs to be streached a bit they put the distro off for another month I think they may have been under some pressure by the users...
Well until then I well be trying my hand at gentoo
35 • DesktopBSD?!? (by Anonymous on 2005-08-08 23:44:51 GMT from Sweden)
I didn't find DesktopBSD in DW's database. So, thank you Adam for letting us know about it.
36 • To Mr. Adam Doxtater~ (by MadHunter on 2005-08-09 02:51:48 GMT from United States)
Ya done well, kid!
37 • VidaLinux and kernels (by Anonymous on 2005-08-09 05:23:17 GMT from Canada)
I ran VidaLinux 1.1, then 1.2 as a virtual machine for a while. They both had some great features, but they both had some irritating glitches as well. Besides, I didn't have the patience to update system libraries when installing mplayer with its 13 dependencies took over an hour.
Should Slackware use kernel 2.4? I think so, considering that my generic p4 is still immobilised every time I try to install a 2.6-based distro (as of 2.6.11).
As for riots, don't mention quality and Red Hat in the same sentence, or you might be labeled "commercialist", "rednecky", or "bourgeoise capitalist pig/black welp". The GPL seems to bring out the socialist in alot of us (except for those involved with IOwnOpenSUSEAndYouOweMeMoney.org). :)
38 • OpenSUSE (by smartjak on 2005-08-09 06:57:37 GMT from United States)
OpenSUSE is now on line. Just got in and am in the process of downloading the 1st ISO. Is all 5 CDs needed for an installation?
One of the things I don't like about Fedora is the number of CDs needed for an install. Is this the same for OpenSuse? It's been years since I've tried SUSE and if this is what is takes..well, so be it. But does anybody know how many CDs for an install?
39 • VectorLinux (by Alex on 2005-08-09 12:36:01 GMT from Australia)
Nice job MadPenguin. Always love reading your distro reviews and this was a nice Distro Weekly. Tell ladislav to give u the keys to the porsche next time.
Also really liked hearing about VectorLinux. I have no hesitation in recommending this distro for old comps and run the SOHO for my main workstation.
My first impression was "Wow this runs so fast. o.O!"
40 • RE: OpenSUSE (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-08-09 15:50:52 GMT from Italy)
"But does anybody know how many CDs for an install?"
I suggest that you have all of them.
41 • FreeBSD and Debian (by Jeff on 2005-08-09 15:56:33 GMT from United States)
I've tried the different flavors of FreeBSD. FreeSBIE failed to boot. PC-BSD is cool. A bit too bloated for my taste, but a promising project. I use FreeBSD 6.0 currently and think it's great. I also use Debian installed using the ISO from www.debianpure.com. I generally like to use the pure form of both these systems rather than a "distro" that has just the core. Although, PC-BSD and Debian Pure seem to have maintained their purity unlike Ubuntu and others who have created repositories which are incompatible with the rest. You guys at PC-BSD and Debian Pure, keep up the good work!
42 • RIP 14.0 was released - IMPORTANT -with latest ntfsresize (by Sundar on 2005-08-09 21:15:14 GMT from Singapore)
I downloaded RIP 14.0 and tested the latest ntfsresize ( which resizes WinXP partition). It worked nicely. Although I am able to resize upto 10.8GB maximum, I guess it is due to some hard disk cylinder constraint. It worked fine.
All you guys, who like to resize your XP partition, try.
43 • Thanks! (by Adam Doxtater on 2005-08-10 01:39:31 GMT from United States)
Hello everyone and thanks for all the kind words! I'm so glad you all enjoyed this weeks DWW, as I had fun writing it! Thanks to Ladislav for the opportunity :-)
Regarding linuxrocks123 comments about using hdparm for hard drive performance in VidaLinux, I did check it at the time of the review and it was all optimized appropriately. DMA was on. Just wanted to clear that up. Should've said so in the review but I missed it! My apologies.
44 • Very nice work Adam! (by Carlos Alberto Santos on 2005-08-10 06:58:33 GMT from Cuba)
Hi Adam, this week's DWN was certainly much enjoyable. The funny comments with very nice news, and the great interview made me ask "that's the end? I want more!".
And for sure I'm going to visit more MadPenguim website.
Keep the good work.
45 • Vida Linux (by John matheson on 2005-08-10 15:36:14 GMT from United States)
The review on Vida Linux 1.2 and the Vida Linux forums was
auite helpfull. I think I will leave this distro on the cd's. I don't
need to sign on to a forum to get insulted. I get paid for that at
work. I'm certainly not internested in paying to be insulted either
46 • OpenSuSE: first impressions (by Sven Zallmann on 2005-08-11 09:54:08 GMT from Germany)
For those who, like me, haven't yet tried the SuSE 10.0 Beta themselves, here's some first impressions stated yesterday on the #opensuse IRC channel on FreeNode.
In most cases it works flawlessly. Occasionally there are boot issues with exotic (mobile) hardware, one user lost his Windows installation on a dual-boot PC. (That might have been due to incorrect installer configuration though. :)) Most of them who already installed it see a significant reduction in boot-up time of about 50-70%.
Perhaps by now some people reading this comment area have already installed the SuSE 10.0 beta. Impression reports very welcome!
47 • Mandriva 2006 0.2 is out (by leo on 2005-08-11 14:32:14 GMT from United States)
A new (beta) release of Mandriva is out, I think it is missing in the front page ...
48 • Vidalinux (by Linux Newbie on 2005-08-14 12:30:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
I was going to try VLOS 1.2 after reading you review of Ver.1.1 on madpenguin but I won't bother now. Enjoyed your overall reviews Thank You.
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Liquid Lemur Linux
Liquid Lemur Linux was a desktop Linux distribution based on Ubuntu and Linux Mint. It delivers a "hybrid" desktop experience, combining the Window Maker window manager with elements of the Xfce desktop environments. Its other features include a utility for install various desktop enhancements and add-ons, a Conky system monitoring tool to select predefined Conky scripts, and a custom live system installer.