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1 • great job again, Ladislav! (by gnobian_ken00bie on 2005-07-25 10:20:57 GMT from United States)
And wonderful news about Utnubu. It's good that there can be greater cooperation and a minimization of duplicated effort here.
The FreeBSD article attracted a lot of flames on Slashdot. I'll be curious to see the reaction here.
First post!
2 • utnubu (by RompeRatones on 2005-07-25 10:37:50 GMT from Argentina)
I'm a big debian fan. HOw are we gona install the new packages...???
Maybe with the 'teg-tpa' command?
Yeyy , first post
3 • ums devices (by reuben on 2005-07-25 11:28:07 GMT from United States)
Most cameras and daps are not usb mass storage. I know mp3 players made by cowon and iriver are ums. So is the ipod, but you still need special software to upload music onto it.
4 • FreeBSD? (by Apt-get on 2005-07-25 11:58:04 GMT from Switzerland)
The article on FreeBSD was very interesting. Indeed it is tempting....anyone can let me know if there are any advantage for a mere desktop user?
Or it would decrease the choice of programs and application that I have with linux?
Anyone has passed from Linux to BSD or viceversa and can let us know the pron/cons?
5 • Mozilla sidebar link (by siacs on 2005-07-25 12:02:52 GMT from United States)
What happened to the Mozilla sidebar link from the home page?
It was the first thing I would do when I setup a newly installed distro?
6 • FreeBSD (by SilentNinja on 2005-07-25 12:11:24 GMT from United States)
To reply to Apt-get
I use FreeBSD as my desktop system at home. As far as losing / gaining anything over linux, the biggest thing youll see is most linux distros default to a gui of some sort wheras FreeBSD is based mainly on the command line, but you can install a GUI. You have a choice of Xorg or XFree85, and then whatever enviroment you want (KDE, Gnome, ect) The ports collection makes it very simple to install most aps and then you can build aps from source as well. You can also install Linux binary compatability which will make it run Linux native aps. As far as advantages to a desktop user over another Linux distro, well it depends on exactly what you wanna do and what you use your desktop system for. You definitly wont lost anything by moving over, but depending what you wanna do depends what youll gain.
7 • No subject (by paul h on 2005-07-25 12:19:36 GMT from United States)
no matter what happens a given week you always make it interesting to read. ive tryed to use freebsd and tryed to configure X but i always end up saying F*** this. ( its because i have a integrated video card)
also that was a good tip about mounting a usb device..... now only to wait for more printers to be supported......dell 720
8 • apt-get and ubuntu (by nkj on 2005-07-25 12:26:34 GMT from India)
i have been using fedora core and redhat for the past few years , the thing that bothers me abt this that after every release i end up doing a clean install and hence loose a lot of time reconfiguring stuff .
i have been thinking of swithching to ubuntu and wanted to know if when a new release of ubuntu comes (like the one to be in october) can i do apt-get update without much trouble ?
9 • Re: No subject by paul h (by Huy on 2005-07-25 12:37:37 GMT from United States)
Did you look at the FreeBSD Handbook? It shows you how to configure X for intergrated video card.
FreeBSD boot up fast!
10 • About FreeBSD... (by koyi on 2005-07-25 12:59:17 GMT from Japan)
I like FreeBSD from every aspect. Actually I feel that the linux distro that is closest to FreeBSD is Gentoo Linux. The whole idea of portage originated from FreeBSD's ports system. Although I feel that portage is somewhat more "advanced" and tuned up for easier use, I feel more at home with the ports in FreeBSD. Well, this really depends on personal preference.
About the available softwares, I think most, if not all, softwares that runs on linux run either natively or on top of the linux compatibility layer in FreeBSD. Since the linux compatibility is built into the kernel(I heard...), so you don't have to worry about the speed :D
And unlike the world of linux, in which everything is so distributed. FreeBSD is maintained by a core team, so everything seems more centralised.
11 • Digital Cameras (by kilgoretrout on 2005-07-25 14:47:23 GMT from United States)
You forgot to mention digikam, a kde application for digital cameras. I prefer it to LPhoto. From the digikam Help:
" digiKam is an advanced digital photo management application for the KDE desktop. It provides a simple interface which makes importing and organizing digital photographs a "snap". digiKam enables you to manage large numbers of digital photographs in Albums and to organize these photographs for easy retrieval using Tags. It has many features for viewing, organizing, manipulating and sharing your pictures."
Also, mandriva LE2005 automatically launches LPhoto when a compatible digital camera is connected as well. I modified their launch script to launch digikam instead.
12 • Ubuntu N to Ubuntu N + 1 --> apt (by r_a_trip on 2005-07-25 15:06:13 GMT from Netherlands)
i have been thinking of swithching to ubuntu and wanted to know if when a new release of ubuntu comes (like the one to be in october) can i do apt-get update without much trouble ?
No problem. Ubuntu on my harddrive went from Warty Devel to Ubuntu 4.10 to Hoary Devel to Ubuntu 5.04 with apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. No more "clean installs".
Just apt the next version.
13 • Rubyx/Heretix (by Sphinx on 2005-07-25 15:32:50 GMT from United States)
Excellent news the rubyx project is still alive, the urls sudden switch had me wondering for a few. Is Andrew Walrond still part of the project? I don't get a page at the new link yet, is whitewater still going?
14 • FreeBSD Ports vs. Gentoo Portage? (by vvh on 2005-07-25 15:57:02 GMT from United States)
Is it true that FreeBSD has better support for precompiled binaries than Gentoo? Does FreeBSD allow the end user to mix locally-compiled ports with precompiled packages?
I like Gentoo and used it for a long time, but I got tired of waiting for everything to compile from source. The vast majority of precompiled binaries are fine for me, because there's only a small number of programs that I need to customize.
For example, there's one particular GNOME application that I like to compile from source so I can apply a patch to its source code, but I don't want to have to compile ALL of GNOME from source; that takes too long. Would FreeBSD let me install GNOME as a set of precompiled binaries and then replace only that one GNOME program with a locally patched and compiled port?
Thanks.
15 • Snappix Origin??? (by ShakaZ on 2005-07-25 16:16:25 GMT from Belgium)
Just to say the homepage of Snappix states it's made at the Inter American University of Puerto Rico, not USA as reported on Distrowatch!!!
16 • StartCom (by Ronny on 2005-07-25 16:18:08 GMT from United States)
Thanks Ladislav for that nice interview on StartCom Linux! I am the one that emailed you regarding why StartCom was not on the list. It is a very good distro and being a big multi-media fan, there is no other distro I would want to use. That's why I am simply dumbfounded as to why it is not on the top 100 list.
I see great things coming about with StartCom. Look... it is only a baby yet and ranks (in my book) much higher than most other distros of its kind.
COOL!
17 • FreeBSD vs Gentoo (by gnobuddy on 2005-07-25 16:21:56 GMT from United States)
FreeBSD does let you install pre-compiled binaries, in fact that is what happens when you first install it. The ports system lets you build applications from source effortlessly, as well. So yes, you can mix and match between source and binary package installs.
I went back and forth between FreeBSD and Linux for a while a couple of years ago. I found FreeBSD to be incredibly stable, more so than many Linux distros of the time. It also booted, shut down, and ran much faster on the same hardware. Much of the software that is available for Linux is also available for FreeBSD. There is only one FreeBSD, so you won't run into many issues with incompatible packages, etc.
But at the same time I found a number of limitations using FreeBSD on my desktop PC that may or may not bother you - for one, FreeBSD hardware support is quite limited compared to Linux. For another, it evolves slower (smaller developer group). For a third, support for other file systems is limited compared to Linux (which can be an issue if you hope to copy data from a Linux partition to a FreeBSD slice, for instance). I never got anything USB to work, and despite numerous attempts I never successfully configured FreeBSD for printing. And somewhere during the FreeBSD 4.x series, the installer for Xfree86 was broken, leaving you to configure X by hand after the install.
Due to these issues, I ended up settling on Linux, and eventually on Gentoo.
Much has changed since I last tried FreeBSD, including the arrival of USB support, the KDE printing setup tools, and most spectacularly, PC-BSD. Maybe its time I tried FreBSD again.
-Gnobuddy
18 • About ISlack (by Lorenzo on 2005-07-25 16:29:17 GMT from Canada)
In its propaganda ISlack claims that:
"ISlack is a security-focused distribution based on Slackware Linux. To improve the security aspect of the distribution, servers have been removed, incoming ports closed and services turned off."
I use Slackware, but always uncheck servers while installing because I have a very small HD. But it was my understanding that while servers were checked by default during installation, their services had to be enabled manually. Otherwise, no port would be opened.
In such a case, what does it matter if the server software is installed? Which incoming ports need to be closed and which services need to be turned off?
And, for that matter, which services does ISlack have to turn off if servers are not installed?
Really weird!
19 • RE: ShakaZ on Puerto Rico / USA comment (by gmikej on 2005-07-25 16:45:43 GMT from United States)
Puerto Rico is a part of the USA. I think they are a province... technically.
My college Spanish professor would have exploded if she had just read that comment (she's Puerto Rican).
-mike J
20 • Snappix (by Jose on 2005-07-25 17:10:53 GMT from United States)
Puerto Rico is a US territory. So in a sense they are part of the US. Many puertoricans may not like that, but it is a fact. In Puerto Rico, they use US currency and are American citzens.
Years ago when I was in High School there, English was a required subject.
BTW - Vidalinux is als a Puerto Rican Distro. It's based on Gentoo and very good.
21 • FreeBSD packages and ports (by Anonymous on 2005-07-25 17:48:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
I understand that ports (compilation from source) can be upgraded as and when updates are available, but that binary packages cannot be upgraded.
Last time I used FreeBSD was 4.6 (I think!).
22 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-25 18:44:53 GMT from United States)
do NOT upgrade to ubuntu 5.10. i talked to the channel admin in #ubuntu and they said that X is still broken and still quite glitchy.
23 • Re:Heretix (by ferrix on 2005-07-25 20:51:02 GMT from Australia)
Yes, Andrew W is still the main force behind this distro. WhiteWater has been replaced by much improved tool called Druss, and there have been many changes to Rubyx itself, hence the change of name. The whole thing is not really ready for prime time yet, but it should be soon so keep an eye out for Heretix, it will rock :)
24 • No subject (by SFN on 2005-07-25 20:54:50 GMT from United States)
"My college Spanish professor would have exploded if she had just read that comment (she's Puerto Rican)."
I'm Puerto Rican too, but born and raised in California. I suppose I would be insulted if it weren't for the fact that most people don't know a whole lot about most countries.
As a matter of fact, most people don't know a whole lot about anything.
If you ever want a good laugh, ask a random sampling of Americans what the difference is between Denmark, Holland and The Netherlands.
25 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-25 20:58:28 GMT from United States)
"do NOT upgrade to ubuntu 5.10. i talked to the channel admin in #ubuntu and they said that X is still broken and still quite glitchy."
A lot of that probably has to do with the fact that 5.10 hasn't been released yet. It will be released in October. Anyone moving to 5.10 should be planning on helping with development.
26 • Ubuntu upgrades (by Andrew Yeomans on 2005-07-25 20:59:19 GMT from United Kingdom)
I've done a few straightforward Ubuntu upgrades - see the release notes on
http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504
I've not had any problems with the upgrade itself. Far easier than my Red Hat / Fedora experiences, when it was simpler to re-install.
(One Ubuntu system had occasional XFree crash, and now has occasional X.org crash - in bugzilla now. I have no reason to doubt the same would happen on a fresh install.)
27 • donating to linux (by Michael Wahlstrom on 2005-07-25 22:16:59 GMT from Canada)
I would like to see a site like distrowatch that focuses on donating to linux.
Some Ideas:
1) running total - all donations
- weekly/daily totals
- per project/distro donations
2) each user signs up for a account that displays heir donation information
3) graphs
4) votes
5) merchandise
6) I would like a way to automatically donate $5.00 a month (imagine if every Linux user donated $5.00 a month)
Ladislav could you add some of these features to distrowatch.com especially number 6
What do other linux users think of donations (think of all the money you have given to microsoft)
28 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-25 22:59:14 GMT from United States)
"I'm Puerto Rican too, but born and raised in California."
I hate to break this to you, but being born in California makes you an American.
29 • RE: donating to linux (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-07-25 23:32:30 GMT from Italy)
Great ideas!
"What do other linux users think of donations"
I have given in various ways: from buying boxed distros, to paying for some form of club membership (Mandrake, Linspire...)
But now my favorite way is to donate to my fav distro as often as I can.
What I don't like:
1)unknown distros who want to be payed without a chance of trying in advance (kind of what OneBase was trying to do)
2)Linux distros and other non M$ operating systems charging you an unreasonable amount of money (as much as $100 or more)
30 • Subscription (by Kutilyoyo on 2005-07-25 23:43:28 GMT from Malaysia)
Just a thought.
Ladislav, it would be great if you could add subscription to the DistroWatch Weekly, Reviews and Articles, New Distributions, New Packages, etc.
The subscribers can select which content that they would like to subscribes and the system will automatically email the content to the subscribers.
31 • RE: Subscription (by ladislav on 2005-07-26 00:24:47 GMT from Taiwan)
I've said that many times before: email newsletters are not under consideration. With the current amount of spam hammering mail servers around the world, often combined with harsh anti-spam efforts, I don't consider email to be a reliable medium for transmitting anything other than short plain-text messages.
A much more elegant solution is to use one of the RSS feed readers and subscribe to DistroWatch news feed. This way you will be informed about a new issue of DWW so you won't miss any. I've been using Liferea for several months and although it is not the most stable application I've seen, it has good options for combining and filtering feeds. In fact, you can think about Liferea as an email application that monitors web sites of your choice and informs you about changes. Give it a try.
32 • RE: No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-25 22:59:14 GMT from United States) (by Moose on 2005-07-26 00:33:16 GMT from United States)
"I hate to break this to you, but being born in California makes you an American."
Well, I hate to be the one to break this to you but, no it don't.
33 • the flame about being puter rician (by Anonymous on 2005-07-26 01:11:57 GMT from United States)
"I hate to break this to you, but being born in California makes you an American."
"Well, I hate to be the one to break this to you but, no it don't."
well i would say that it does. then for you what would you consider a american? a native american which are very rare. most of us immigrated from foreign countries even if it was a LONG time ago or just a couple of hours ago. and once you are a legal citizen of USA YOU ARE A AMERICAN! NO MATTER WHAT. period.
34 • Puerto Rico (by Bryan on 2005-07-26 03:44:22 GMT from United States)
I am not sure where Ladislav hails from, but many people may take Puerto Rico as part of the United States. Americans should understand the intricacy of the situation with Pyerto Rico, but I doubt many of my countrymen fully understand it. I for one certainly know what I might read in the enccylopedia, and I have a few Puerto Rican acquaintances, but I don't l know what the Puerto Ricans themselves think about their situation with the US.
For those peripherally interested, PR is a commonwealth of the US, having been acquired during the Spanish-American war over 100 years ago. They are semi-autonomous, but neither fully independent of the US, nor fully integrated. Plebiscites in the past have come down in the middle ground, neither approving independence or statehood (integration as anotehr American state). I don't believe any plebiscite has been held in the recent past, maybe for more than twenty years...
Sp, the mistake of marking a PR distro as a US distro is understandable, given that PR is not yet an independent country...something like Aruba and the Netherlands...which is all in the news lately.
By the way, I would come down on the side that being born and raised in California makes you American. I don't want to sound jingoistic or a heavy-handed patriot. Being American doesn't mean you can't be Puerto Rican, too. Being American has less to do with ethnicity than it has to do with the idea of America. The only thing that really holds America together is the system of government and freedom of the country.
I don't think my children could claim to be Indian, just because their mother grew up in India. If they didn't feel an affinity or closeness to India I would be pretty surprised, but in the end they are Americans with their own special background.
Wait, was this about linux? I need to get back to clicking on MEPIS!
35 • re: FreeBSD? (by Apt-get on 2005-07-25 11:58:04 GMT from Switzerland) (by Nix_User on 2005-07-26 06:32:16 GMT from United States)
The article on FreeBSD was very interesting. Indeed it is tempting....anyone can let me know if there are any advantage for a mere desktop user?
Or it would decrease the choice of programs and application that I have with linux?
Anyone has passed from Linux to BSD or viceversa and can let us know the pron/cons?
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It depends on how you look at it. Perhaps, I can shed some light on the topic via examples/references:
Great documentation:
www.freebsd.org/handbook
Software (13,264 prog's / libraries):
www.freebsd.org/ports
Now if your looking for something with fancy wizards and auto configuration tools, then no, *BSD isn't for you (except maybe PC-BSD).
When you install (most) *BSD's you will have a command line and you have to go from that point. If your somewhat comfortable with a command line, then you can set up *BSD box in not time.
The learning curve might be a little steeper at first but it isn't anything insurmountable. I started on 4.5 and used it til' 4.10. The only reason I stopped was that the world of proprietary software dragged me back (darn *.doc files).
On a personal note, I suggest signing up to a mailing list IE: questions and newbies (spelled correctly, I think) and you will be in good shape. Also, onlamp has a very nice *bsd section with tutorials.
As a desktop user, is there anything to gain or loose? Not sure, most app's run on both platforms. I personally believe that the large software repository of FreeBSD as well as documentation are the two strong selling points that won me over, not to mention the community of users.
Keep in mind various Linux distro's have large repositories of software (Debian, Slackware and so on), as well as package management tools. I guess it boils down to what you define as important in an operating system. For me its:
1) Available software and package tools
2) Documentation
3) Community
As the above 3 are a matter of opinion and they are subjective. Ask yourself, what do you value and how important are they to the use of an OS.
An old expression, "one mans floor is another man's ceiling". In other words, 2 people will view the same item differently. How do you view community or what ever else you deem important?
PS: Great work Ladislav !!! As always. 30 issues of DW, thats some good uptime. :-)
36 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-26 13:23:18 GMT from United States)
"I hate to break this to you, but being born in California makes you an American."
So an Italian who is born in California is not Italian? Sorry, that would be incorrect.
"Well, I hate to be the one to break this to you but, no it don't."
Actually, here on Earth, it does.
37 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-26 14:03:21 GMT from United States)
and puerto rico is a united states territory.
38 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-26 15:18:24 GMT from United States)
Identity issues are complex, but it might clarify things if we draw a distinction between ethnic/group identity and legal identity. Being born in California may not make you an American, but it would make you an American citizen (as would, in most cases, being born in Puerto Rico).
Oh, and to legitimate the comment: Moved from Mandrake in the pre-Mandriva days to Ubuntu, and never looked back.
39 • Why Titanosourus Why?? (by Robzilla-L.A. on 2005-07-26 16:35:05 GMT from United States)
The whole Puerto Rico/U.S. debate was funny. Does it really matter where you were born or even where you end up? National borders are artificial seprations that keep people apart idealogically and physically. If people cared less about what country they are from or where they are at we might not have so many problems. Multi-national corporations run all of the countries we live in any way so to argue over borders is really pointless. I love my country but I also realize that we are all people wherever we are from or end up. I think America is unique in that you can hail from anywhere and be American. A step in the right direction but those who are soo American saying how all the foreigners are ruining the country and you have to support the president no matter if you agree with what he is doing or not and so on is a problem to say the least. Lets get one thing straight-we are all foriegners including the American Indians who migrated over the land bridge When Russia and America were once connected by ice or something. Kind of like the whole Human Race. We just wondered to places and set up shop so to speak and called places our home. A million years ago was there a Germany or France?? So lets not get so caught up in Borders. We all read this website because of our common interest in Linux and the BSDs. So whether you are Chinese, South African, from Hong Kong, Tap Pei, Bancock, Los Angeles, Tokyo, etc, you are reading this (if you speak english). That is pretty cool that what interests us can cross all of the artificial borders. If we as a race could share are interests more and have less concern about my place or yours think how with cooperation we could advance Linux and a whole list of other things. Healthy competion is a great driving force and is needed and healthy between people and borders but sometimes I think people put too much emphasis on it. I mean attack my country and all of what I said goes out the window and I will want to kick the a@@ of the ofenders but if I am not threatened then I can see past the borders. Anyway I wrote too much as I always do and probably offended somebody.
To get on point I can't wait for VidaLinux to come out. I do think Gentoo is great but I could only set Gentoo up on the free download of VidaLinux I have used in the past. I liked it so much that I am willing to pay for the new release when it comes out. Currently I love Mepis. I know a lot of "Linux experts" will say it is too this or that but as far as I am concerned Mepis is the most stable, easy to use, easy to configure, easy to update and get packages of any distro I have used. I know there is Kanotix and Linspire and Ubuntu and Mandriva and PcLinux, And many more but for the whole experience from day to day use I have not found anything better than Mepis. If I need a package I just get it from the Debian repositories(Thanks Debian!!) with my choice of GUI's or the command line, point and click, doesn't synaptic do that for free? I can get all the codecs to make all of my multimedia work and very little problems with updating or new packages or dependancies. I ask and then I get-just that simple. I love Vector Linux as well but it just has not been as stable and configurable or have as many packages available. They are there from the slackware repositories I have just had some problems with dependancies and stability and other misc. Issues. But Vector is very high on my list and the support for both is simply the best. As the BSd people point out there is too much fragmentaion within Linux. It would be nice to see some consolidation but to argue the point it is choice. You simply have a lot more of it with Linux. As far as updating All of the Debian based distros update easily with apt! My guess is Gentoo with portage does as well so I do not see how BSD is so superior. We are trying to use something other than the big boys so lets get away from mine is better than yours. I love the distros I mentioned above for me. I hope I peak other persons interest but I would not say they are the best and only. They are the best I have experienced until I get to try something else I like better. It is the freedom to choose that I love so much. As long as there is Distrowatch giving me the latest and greatest information out there then I will be happy!
Enough Ranting for now,
Robzilla
40 • No subject (by mcg on 2005-07-26 22:24:55 GMT from Finland)
BSD* ROCKS,Kids!
41 • Puerto Rican / American (by welkiner on 2005-07-26 22:58:18 GMT from United States)
From what I've seen, "Origin", as used on Distrowatch refers to the country of origin. The Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is not an independant country. It is a territory of the United States of America, as is Guam, The Nothern Mariana Islands, American Samoa, and the U.S. Virgin Islands.
Distrowatch is correct in listing USA as the country of origin for any distro from any state or any territory of the USA. To do otherwise it would have to list Mepis Origin as West Virginia, Libranet Origin as British Columbia, Knoppix and Kanotix as whatever state in Germany they come from. Many International users would have no idea where these places are. Let's just stay with contries of origin.
And Kudos to Ladislav for the great job he is doing. (especially for putting up with us when we get of the reservation)
Now tell me something about Kanotix or Mepis on a 64 bit system,
wb
42 • Corrections (by welkiner on 2005-07-26 23:06:14 GMT from United States)
Let's just stay with countries of origin.
And Kudos to Ladislav for the great job he is doing. (especially for putting up with us when we get off the reservation)
Now tell me something about Kanotix or Mepis on a 64 bit system with raid,
wb
43 • freebsd vs linux (by gnubee at 2005-07-26 23:26:48 GMT from Australia)
FreeBSD as a server rocks! I find it less likely to swap compared to Linux when I run the same applications. I guess they have a better vm implementation. My older computer is also more responsive with FreeBSD so I guess they have better process scheduling.
What I don't like with FreeBSD is that it took me a day to download and compile the JDK. Yes, there are no pre-packaged JRE or JDK so you would have to compile it or ask from somebody who already did. Another thing is that the latest one, 5.4, does not support any virtual machine software yet (e.g. VMware or Xen). This is very important to me. I have 5 machines running in one box for simulation purposes.
For the desktop, I'll stick with Linux.
44 • Why I use Linux (by William Roddy on 2005-07-27 01:09:29 GMT from United States)
LINUX HAS NO BORDERS!
I wish the rest of civilization could get their heads around that concept.
45 • Digital Camera (by prayforwind on 2005-07-27 13:35:11 GMT from Canada)
I've found that once you have a shortlist of camera's you can ask the manufacturer if it really requires a driver when interfacing a) WinXP & b) OSX. If the answer is "No." it is designed to appear as a mass storage device and will function as described above (view log with "tail -f /var/log/messages" first time you plug it in to see what to mount). Such a camera also has the advantage of being able to upload pics on just about any of your friend's computers without having to do anything possibly invasive to them; this could be a lifesaver when travelling.
If your chosen camera fails the above scenario, check http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php to see if your camera will work on *nix with GPhoto.
46 • Puerto Rico - SNAPPIX (by ElecBoy on 2005-07-28 03:28:30 GMT from United States)
Wow a lot of comments about if Puerto Rico is part of the US or not. I thought ppl were going to talk about snappix. To present my self I am Ernesto I live in Puerto Rico I work at the SNAP Development Center (yes the creators of SNAPPIX) I am the webmaster of the page. Well the situation in Puerto Rico is that we are you can say part of the US but we are not a state yet and we don’t appear in the American Flag. We receive all the federal fund you receive in US and yes we have “Burger King” and yeah we have “MTV”. But the ppl didn’t want that so they let US choose their president without us intervening . There’s people that want to be state and there’s people that want independence and there’s people like me that enjoy being what we are “Estado Libre Asociado” look in google.com translation for the meaning.
Most company’s consider us Americans, and you can say so because we have American Passports. I don’t care if they think if I am American I consider myself Puerto Rican 100%. But outside my country because of my passport I am American. By the way my boss the Project Manager “Kevin Shockey” is American I can’t remember from where, he told me but I didn’t pay attention I hope he doesn’t get mad when he reads this. I will like to thank everyone who check out our distro and our page and everyone that gave their opinion about this matter. Thank you. Hope you right as much in SourceForge.net Community ;P I put in case you want to write more.
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47 • Puerto Rico - SNAPPIX (by ElecBoy on 2005-07-28 03:30:54 GMT from United States)
You see look at my info here:
Puerto Rico - SNAPPIX (by ElecBoy on 2005-07-28 03:28:30 GMT from United States) <----Hhhmm let me check outside of my window to check if I am still in Puerto Rico....
Yeap I am still here.
48 • American me (by German Gutierrez on 2005-07-28 06:14:07 GMT from Argentina)
I am from argentina, i wasnt born in US , neither were my fathers. But i am an american nontheless, whoever says anything else means that you overslept during your High School 's geography studies.
49 • Great site !!!!! (by daniel cialdella on 2005-07-28 11:01:49 GMT from Spain)
I love this site, i read it every day looking for the hot news.
I like very much the review´s, the simple format, links, everythink that a fan/fun user need.
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50 • An easy to use FreeBSD (by Kris on 2005-07-28 23:15:34 GMT from United States)
You are "American" if you were born anywhere on the American continent. Really, people from the US should be United Statese, just like people from Canada are Canadian. It is so wrong for US to be Americans. They don't represent the entire continent... Don't you think so?
Is there BSD based "distro" that's easy to setup and use...besides MacOS X? I really like GUI installation. Something like Fedora, etc offer. Something like that for BSD would be really neat. I guess I'm just hoping.
51 • Re: An easy to use BSD (by Anonymous on 2005-07-28 23:59:50 GMT from Canada)
Well, Americans should'nt be called United Statese, they should be called United States of Americans, so their current moniker is really just a shortened version anyway.
Try PC-BSD, if you don't mind that it's in beta. It even has Windows-esque (wait; Macintosh-esque, since Macintosh has better connotation) software installation, albeit somewhat still developing, in addition to ports.
P.S. Does anyone know about a .deb repository for KDE 3.4.2 ? (I'm somewhat impatient.)
52 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-29 07:04:05 GMT from United States)
The Federal Republic of Brazil is commonly called Brazil, and the people who live there are Brazilians. The United Mexican States (United States of Mexico) is normally refered to as Mexico, and it's people as Mexicans. The United States of America may be refered to as America and it's people as Americans.
There is no such thing as the continent of America. There is the continent of North America and the people from that continent are called North Americans. There is also the continent of South America and people there are South Americans.
This discussion started on countries of origin so I don't know how we got to continents.
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53 • Places, People, and Distros (by welkiner on 2005-07-29 07:11:40 GMT from United States)
The Federal Republic of Brazil is commonly called Brazil, and the people who live there are Brazilians. The United Mexican States (United States of Mexico) is normally refered to as Mexico, and it's people as Mexicans. The United States of America may be refered to as America and it's people as Americans.
There is no such thing as the continent of America. There is the continent of North America and the people from that continent are called North Americans. There is also the continent of South America and people there are South Americans.
This discussion started on countries of origin so I don't know how we got to continents.
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54 • PR... where are thou... (by Big Moron on 2005-07-29 17:03:56 GMT from Puerto Rico)
Well... This thing about Puerto Rico needs my comment...
First peace... we are all africans afterall (HUMANS)...
I must admit that, whenever I hear someone call him/herselve a puertorican even thoug they were born ANYWHERE ELSE etcept in Puerto Rico, I become a bit angered... Why? Heck I am puertorican BORN in P.R. (curently a commonwhaterever of the U.S.)... But if been of puertorican decendant makes someone a puertorican, THEN we puertoricans ARE all SPANIORS (from Spain)... so things are a bit SILLY no matter what... You may say then, whats your point... Well, I dislike the fact that people that come to P.R. are practicaly not allow to call themselves Puertoricans because of puertoricans jelousie... (I gess it dosn't make mush sence, am not explaining to well) If someone that lives in Ruerto Rico and is from somewhere else but takes pride of P.R. and its people and cares about P.R. SHOULD be aloud to CALL HIMSELFE a puertorican....
But... what makes me MAD the most... is that people here in Puerto Rico forget about BORIQUEN and just drink their medallas (a beer) coors heneken and trow the daam cans, bottles, sigarets, trash on the roads and brag about been a puertorican... wile killling their own land with all that trash... People like this are have no right to call thenselves puertorican (not even HUMANS but PIGS)... (this would apply anywhere, wherever you are, if you trow the trash in the street or wilderness...)
If you feel puertorican please give a good example an take care of puerto rico or wherever you may be at... that applies to all of us to take care of our places, make our planet a preaty place, KEEP IT CLEAN... USE LINUX/BSD... (had to make it sutable for this post...)
55 • TeXLive + LinuxLive is not included on this page (by Anonymous on 2005-07-30 06:08:11 GMT from United States)
TexLive + LinuxLive is not included on this page and it is a linux live cd with texlive + kile and many other utilities that allow users to typeset beautiful documents from anywhere without installing. It is a mathematicans, math teachers/professors best utility. While it is probably not meant to be a linux distribution it has linux also which is based on SLAX. It has two pages one in polish and one in english.
http://team-tl.livenet.pl/index-pl.php?show=home-pl
http://team-tl.livenet.pl/index-eng.php?show=home-eng
Comments on this cd? Anyone?
The only other cd which has linux and tex tools working is Kanotix. It also has gnuplot to plot graphs(ver 2005-02).
56 • Who says "North America" is a Continent? (by Not a US guy on 2005-07-30 08:08:38 GMT from Argentina)
quote:
No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-29 07:04:05 GMT from United States)
The Federal Republic of Brazil is commonly called Brazil, and the people who live there are Brazilians. The United Mexican States (United States of Mexico) is normally refered to as Mexico, and it's people as Mexicans. The United States of America may be refered to as America and it's people as Americans.
/end quote
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am%C3%A9rica
And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America
As you see, in fact America is only continent, and it is subdivided in "subcontinents" (South america+ North America, + caribean), just like Europe (western+eastern).
And FYI ,"North American" means , mexicans, US citizen, and canadians.
So if a yankee should only call himself a US Citizen/resident/United Statee, but in case he calls himself an American, he should also be called a "Dumb American".
What the hell do they teach in high school anyways?
57 • America... fsck yeah (by gnobian-ken00bie on 2005-07-30 21:04:07 GMT from United States)
There isn't a fact of the matter at stake in what to call people, merely a dispute on how different classificatory schemes mesh. And calling people "dumb" for using a different classificatory scheme or different terminology is the sort of rude provincialism for which Yankees are notorious and it's quite unbecoming.
I don't habla Espanol, so I don't know if the Spanish language version of the article reads the same, but in the English version it says, "America, or sometimes The Americas is the continents (sic) and islands between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans together or collectively, usually subdivided into..." Note it specifically says "continents" - plural. Nothing about subcontinents. If anyone were to defend such a scheme, it might better be made on the analogy of Eurasia as a single continent, rather than Western and Eastern Europe. But the land connecting North and South America is far more tenuous than even that. More akin to the link between Asia and North America across the Bering when the land bridge was intact. Were Asia and North America then one continent? I've never heard usage proposed in any course in geography or geology, but that's not to say that such a usage would be wrong... just different.
This isn't like the case of modern science calling whales mammals rather than fish as they'd historically been called. In that case, there are clear anatomical, physiological, taxonomical, and evolutionary reasons for doing so. In the case of the Americas, the only case to be made is ideological or provincial. Calling people "dumb" for that is... well, not dumb, but certainly unenlightened.
I just reviewed the Spanish version of the article you posted, using what I could eek out from my Latin. In my - no doubt flawed translation of the sentence similar to the one I quoted above America is in fact referred to as a continent and North and South America as subcontinents. So the Wikipedia in Spanish agrees with you, but the Wikipedia in English does not.
A link from the article clarifies matters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_the_word_American
Note that while many in Latin America may be offended at "American" being used to refer solely to citizens of the US, Canadians may be offended at being called Americans! Note also that German and French cognates - Amerikaner and Americain - refer to people in the US. I'm not saying that this makes the Spanish usage wrong. On the contrary, I think no one is "wrong" in such arbitrary matters of usage. I think it's better that we just accept the divergent usages and acknowledge them should any confusion arise. It says that some in Latin America find "American" to mean "US citizen" to be "culturally aggressive". That's unfortunate. It certainly isn't intended in that way. Just as I am sure you would not intend any insult to a Canadian in saying that they too are Americans.
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