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1 • Mandrake/Mandriva acquires Lycoris. (by David on 2005-06-20 10:20:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
The reason that Lycoris failed was because Cheek was brainwashed by the American obsession of greed. Linspire and Xandros will fail for the same reasons. Americans just cannot understand anything except moneymaking. For the same reason, I imagine that Klaus Knopper is a rich man. He understands the need for an innovative and competent product. He understands that he needs to generate excellent PR. He understands that he can make a fortune by add-on consultancy services for those who must have it. None of the American new-distro developers have understood a word of this, even when I've spelled it out to them in words of one syllable. Blinkered or what?! Every philosopher since Plato knows that capitalism doesn't work - at least not the way it's practised in the USA.
Basically, I agree with your anaylsis, above.
2 • lycoris (by naquis on 2005-06-20 10:27:38 GMT from United States)
I'll miss Lycoris. It was a nice distro to play with. But there were a few things I didn't like. One being the distro it was built from. I think it would have been a better distro had they have based it off LFS. Thats just my opinion. Gnome libs would have been nice also. I wonder what Joseph will give us next? I for one can not wait to see. I wish him the best of luck with things.
3 • ??? (by naquis on 2005-06-20 10:31:18 GMT from United States)
I'm guessing David is anti-USA. Its to bad that we can't get along and work together for a common goal. Seems everyone just wants to hate each other these days. That makes me sad, as I'm sure it does many of you.
4 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-06-20 10:35:28 GMT from United States)
please change flubox --> fluxbox :-)
Hopefully Robbins truly feels that he's doing a good thing and that he isn't selling out. I honestly wish portions of the week's DistroWatch weekly didn't include things like "...we do feel the loss of some of the respect we had for Daniel for many years. The moral of the story? Never get into debt. If you do, you might have to sell your soul to the devil just to save your family!" even if it is meant in a joking manner. I hope he helps M$ "understand open source and community-based projects" like he claims to be doing.
I hate M$ as much as your average Open Source advocate, but let's not all assume Robbins is selling out and turn on him, deal?
5 • Interesting stuff (by Michael on 2005-06-20 10:36:41 GMT from South Africa)
Good read, thanks Ladislav ;-)
6 • I forgot to add... (by Michael on 2005-06-20 10:41:52 GMT from South Africa)
Regarding Microsoft and their "Get the facts on Linux" crap, Microsoft seemt to forget that many Linux folk switched to Linux because Windows is a shitty OS ;-).
7 • isn't it too extreme ? (by Sim on 2005-06-20 10:48:52 GMT from Vietnam)
"If you do, you might have to sell your soul to the devil just to save your family!"
if the article said that Daniel is a free man and could do anything he like, also, his job now, as described in some article i read, is "to help M$ know more about Open Source world", not to "integrate the Linux stuffs in Windows" or things like that
then I don't see any things like "sell his soul" here
Linux is good, yes, but if Linux and OSS couldn't provide him money, then we're still asking him to contribute until the starve of his family and him ?
and if he runs to another source of money, then it's "sell his soul" ??
M$ tries to kill Linux, isn't that what billions of companies try to do, kill their oponent ? and isn't that what a billions of Linux zeelot want to do, kill Windows ?
so, which company he works for is not a matter and unless he kill real people or rob the bank, he couldn't be considered as devil or so
8 • Whats going on?!! (by Hunter on 2005-06-20 10:56:24 GMT from United Kingdom)
Not a very postive start to the week I must say. Loss of developers, and bad blood in the open source community. As usually distro wars are becoming the hot topic once more. BSD vs Linux... NOT AGAIN!! I thought we were over with this. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE DOMINANT OPERATING SYSTEM!! With open source you're supposed to have 'open' ideas, you can't waste your time insulting the other distributions. A variety of distributions and operating systems are supposed to be fun and inovating (God I hope I spelt that right). If we didn't have these choices, we'd all still be using Redmond 3.0 and other Mac knockoffs... and how much freedom would that give you?! Personally I want more choice than just my background. et toi?
9 • re: (by Anonymous on 2005-06-20 10:59:12 GMT from United States)
David, just so you know Xandros is based in Ottawa, Canada.
10 • VidaLinux release delayed from 6/20 to 8/1 (by Steven James on 2005-06-20 11:01:58 GMT from United States)
http://desktop.vidalinux.com/
UPDATE: Due to some unforseen complications, VLOS 1.2 has been delayed and is now been scheduled for general availability on August 1. We apologize for the inconvenience.
11 • MS vs Linux (by Dr. Cobalt-60 on 2005-06-20 11:14:00 GMT from Russian Federation)
Microsoft trying to fight Linux by means of their "Get the facts on Linux" crap completely misses the point.
They think that Linux is a boulder on their road, and they must forcibly put it out of the way.
The truth is that Linux is not a boulder, it is a pit, and the more dirt they dig out of this pit and throw around, the deeper this pit becomes. Microsoft can end up (or is it end down?) slipping into this pit and not being able to crawl out.
Linux developers work in this pit and unearth lots of gems that they hand out to the community; the MS officials, being communally blind, cannot see in Linux anything except dirt. I am really sorry for them.
Best wishes
BNK
12 • I find Debian 3.1 very user-friendly (by debianite on 2005-06-20 11:26:39 GMT from Germany)
"Despite all the improvements in version 3.1, the truth is that Debian still remains largely a developer's distribution without many of the user-friendly enhancements that other Linux distributions have been implementing in their own products."
I find this a very unfair judgement. Apparently you're comparing Debian to some "desktop only" distros while actually Debian is a general purpose distro that is bedrock solid and very suitable for servers -- unlike some other desktop distros. Debian is not perhaps the MOST user-friendly desktop solution available, but the new installer is a huge improvement over the old Woody installer and it has made Debian accessible also for non-technical users who would'n have dreamed of installing Debian before.
My personal experience on installing Debian 3.1 was very positive. The installer was very easy to use, I just needed to keep pressing Enter to accept the defaults. The installer autodetected all the hardware attached to my laptop, it automatically configured my ethernet connection, and it also automatically set up the X Window System with KDE and GNOME.
I really wouldn't hesitate in recommending Debian 3.1 for newbies. And I expect the next release, called Etch, will be even more polished and newbie-friendly. With the 3.1 release Debian has left the "developer's distribution" stage behind and it has already become a mainstream distro. And I hope that Distrowatch will soon wake up to realize this, too. :-)
13 • Missing Distros (by Welkiner on 2005-06-20 11:35:32 GMT from United States)
DistroWatch database summary
* Number of all distributions in the database: 425
* Number of all active distributions in the database: 325
* Number of discontinued distributions: 54
All distributions
minus Active distributions
minus Discontinued distributions
equals 46
What is the story on the 46 missing distributions?
14 • Missing Distros re inactive (by Hobbitland on 2005-06-20 11:44:02 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hiya, I suppose the missing distros are inactive or homepage
has gone 404.
15 • tried Lycoris (by Anon on 2005-06-20 11:53:10 GMT from United States)
I started with Lycoris Amethyst build 46 and kept it updated until the old machine couldn't handle the updates. It slowed down greatly but I blame that on the old hardware.
The single best feature of Lycoris was the clear and clean update process. Every distro should have a single link that runs an update like Lycoris (and MS Windows). The sweet difference between Lycoris and MS was that it didn't interrupt you and pause until you clicked to agree to 12 different lengthy license agreements. You clicked update and walked away while it showed progress bars for current update and total updates. Why can't every distro do this?
16 • RE: Missing Distros (by ladislav on 2005-06-20 11:59:58 GMT from Taiwan)
Those are labelled as "dormant". They haven't been discontinued officially, but there is not much activity going on on their web sites and FTP servers.
17 • Daniel Robbins to Microsoft (by pp on 2005-06-20 12:07:46 GMT from United Kingdom)
"Now that doesn't sound so innocent any more, does it?"
who cares? Besides, lack of money is a pretty good reason to take a job at MS. I could do the same.
18 • Get the facts -boycotting (by pp on 2005-06-20 12:13:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
"..we consider this practice unethical for any web site or business that uses and benefits from Linux and Free Software. We have been campaigning against such web sites in the past"
Yeah, I remember you campained against Linuxtoday. Somehow it had an opposite effect on me. I had never been to Linuxtoday, but went to check the site to see what the fuss is all about. It is actually a pretty good site. I'm now a regular visitor..
Funny heh? I hope you're not offended :-)
19 • David (by giovanni at 2005-06-20 12:15:10 GMT from United States)
David, I hope you live long enough to see how your beloved socialism dstroys in Europe. It is happening, and you know it... I've met way to many brits that ran for their lifes from UK. It's sad... I really hate a political debate, so I will end my note on that.
And by the way, Linspire is a very strong OS with a huge customer base. It will not go belly up.
Cheers!
20 • Missing Distros (by Welkiner on 2005-06-20 12:15:21 GMT from United States)
Ladislav,
Thanks for the quick reply to my question.
....and thanks for my favorite website for the last 4 years
DistroWatch is the Best!
21 • power of the dark side... ;) (by pinguinus on 2005-06-20 12:26:25 GMT from Finland)
"So how do you feel about the fact that Gentoo's founder Daniel Robbins now works for Microsoft?"
So, does this mean Daniel Robbins can be called Darth Vader from now on...? ;-)
22 • What a week (by AQ on 2005-06-20 12:43:32 GMT from United States)
First off, Theo attacking linux is sort of like a flea biting an elephant. We all know the statistics of where the support is, and it is behind the GNU GPL. Theo can whine all he wants (and he apparently will), but the fact is that most people in the free software movement do not want to create software which could be made proprietary.
Secondly, I'm running Fedora Core 4 now and nothing is really blowing me away. My main problem with this distro is the fact that you can not choose very specifically every program you want to install. If you choose the "everything" option, your computer gets loaded with a ton of junk, and there is no way to selectively remove programs one by one to get to a system you might really be looking for. Also annoying is that I can't download all of the extras as an iso. What annoys me about this is that I like to have a disc for some point in the future when the extras might not be carried on the mirrors, and on top of that, I absolutely hate having to "yum" everything I want by hand. It is just patently obnoxious. Let me have the CD and take 5 minutes to decide which programs I want and be done with it. And make it easy for me to insert that CD at any point in the future and add something else I might want off of it. Aside from that, I like fedora and will stick with it for awhile, especially since Red Hat has or will be releasing its restrictions on it.
I heard a recent interview with the CEO of linspire on the linux link tech show (or whatever it is called) and I am impressed with the way they are handling it and the business model they have built. If anyone can slowly move casual windows users (kind of like casual smoking and just as cancerous) to Linux, I think it could be the Linspire crew. Of course I'm a free software advocate, but it will be much easier to bring people to the free software movement when they are at least on the same turf. If Linspire can somehow convince Adobe to bring some of its crap over, and intuit to bring over quickbooks... then all we have left to deal with are the "pc gamers". Bah, enough about that.
The Gentoo Microsoft news is interesting as many people are apparently not as cynical as I am. "Maybe he's trying to work for the good from the inside" I read on a few discussion boards. Maybe Microsoft will chew him up and spit him out, is my thought about it.
23 • Openbsd (by james on 2005-06-20 12:54:07 GMT from United States)
Open bsd is garbage ! what is he saying ?
24 • Lycrois acquisition (by DTR on 2005-06-20 12:54:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
Regardless of any financial details, I find it very positive. There are way too many distributions, and many developers wasting their time on useless projects. Mandriva is doing a great job minimising this number and thus driving the whole OSS forward. It should be fair if we had no more than 15 strong distros and a few specialised projects (such as linux from USB key). The enemy to fight is M$ (and Apple), not other distros.
25 • Debian Pure, Ubuntu & others (by pinguinus on 2005-06-20 12:54:44 GMT from Finland)
Hey! That Debian Pure project sure sounds like a great idea and just what I could use too. Thanks for the hint! However, there are some similar projects to Debian Pure that could perhaps cooperate more: Bonsai, Zen Linux etc.
After spending some time with Ubuntu, and although I liked it a lot, I found out that I want much more Debian-compatibility from my easy-to-use Debian derivative distro than what Ubuntu has to offer. It feels also rather restrictive in its use of official sources only. When I made the mistake of installing too many packages (from official well working) Debian repositories, I ended up with broken packages: for example, Openoffice didn't work anymore etc.
Ubuntu is great if you're willing to use the official Ubuntu packages only. But I'm afraid that the moment you step away even a little from that narrow path there may come big bad surprses (like if you mix Debian unstable and Ubuntu Hoary packages).
I don't quite understand why Ubuntu cannot use official Debian stable, testing and unstable sources? Just because Ubuntu is using X.org shouldn't be a major problem. Libranet uses Xorg (based on Ubuntu's work) too but remains quite Debian-compatible.
Too bad Libranet costs money. It could now hold the position of Ubuntu as a very popular major distro if they (could have) followed the Ubuntu business model (yeah, ok, not many can afford to do the same with their business as Ubuntu & Mark Shuttleworth... Libranet has probably chosen the best business model for them to make a living, I guess?).
26 • Pocelain Gods (by AQ on 2005-06-20 13:01:11 GMT from United States)
Here's a gross thought... the founder of Gentoo signing a Non Disclosure Agreement to Microsoft.
That thought just came to me, and it makes me sick... blech.
27 • RE: Debian pure (by pinguinus on 2005-06-20 13:02:12 GMT from Finland)
pinguinus: "Too bad Libranet costs money."
I meant to say: Too bad Libranet costs a lot of money nowadays. I have nothing against commercial distros, but 90 USD for a new Libranet release is just too much for me at the moment, I'm afraid.
28 • Not questioning his decision? (by Olli on 2005-06-20 13:07:46 GMT from Netherlands)
Quote:
"(...) ]Of course, we don't question his decision (...) However, we do feel the loss of some of the respect we had for Daniel for many years.
(...) If you do, you might have to sell your soul to the devil just to save your family!"
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*cough* Wow, you're not questioning his decision, but on the other hand you can't contain yourself from commenting on his financial mangement, his choice of employer or him joining 'the forces of evil'. This is downright ridiculing him and his situation. Seems like you've tried to make it "sound more sensational", but like you said that practice is hardly uncommon among today's mainstream journalists.
Let's not forget that his efforts have brought us one of the most innovative linux (source) distributions to date and then he secured the whole distribution by giving all the rights to the Gentoo Foundation, without profiting from that himself.
29 • RE: Debian pure (by pp on 2005-06-20 13:13:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
Pinguinus, you could try Kanotix. It's basically debian sid with some extra bells and whistles, and is pretty easy to HD install. And it's fast due to i586 optimisation.
30 • RE: Openbsd (by SFN on 2005-06-20 13:28:43 GMT from United States)
"Open bsd is garbage !"
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up there.
One could easily assert that Theo is an ass. I personally don't think so (although I'm not positive) but I could see how some could view him as such.
One could also assert that he is dead wrong about Linux and that it is a damn good OS. I certainly do.
But let's be honest here. OpenBSD is a fantastic OS if what you are looking for is security. It's certainly not for beginners. It's not for a lot of users. That's not it's goal. It's goal is to be the most secure OS in existence and that it is.
Let's not forget that Linux distros have incorporated OpenBSD advances for years and could stand to incorporate a few more (pf comes to mind).
Calling OpenBSD garbage is inflammatory at best and moronic at worst.
31 • Kanotix (by pinguinus on 2005-06-20 13:53:28 GMT from Finland)
pp: "Pinguinus, you could try Kanotix."
Yeah, not a bad idea, and Mepis would be another good option. However, both Kanotix and Mepis are KDE-centric distros while I'm a Gnome/XFCE user and have never quite made myself to like KDE (just taste, I suppose?). Besides, personally I have no big problems even with configuring Debian proper (the new instaler is quite good too), but if I should do a quick install and configuration, something like Debian Pure, or Kanotix, could help quite a lot.
By the way, it would seem high time that more Debian-based distros would start to use Xorg now. Heck, even the conservative Slackware has officially used X.org for "ages" now... As far as I know, of the multitude of Debian-based distros, only Ubuntu and Libranet use X.org by now. Or are there more? (It also says here on DW that there's X.org in the new Demudi/AGNULA repos too, but the beta (rc2) installation CD of Demudi didn't work for me when I tried it, so don't know about that.)
32 • Forward looking... (by IMQ on 2005-06-20 13:54:47 GMT from United States)
Now that many of the distros are more userfriendly than they were a few years back, could we all concentrate our effort to replace the Windows on our friends, neighbors, family members, etc. when the right moment arrives (their PC crashes due to virus, trojans, worms, or one of those mysterious, puzzling unknown causes that bring their PC to a halt.)?
Does anyone know of any distro can truly replace Windows?
I am looking for a distro that can do what Windows can online: playing all audio and video formats. It's quite easy to find what missing and install it so the media will play on any web site. Under Linux, I don't know how to make it work even though I can play the file locally after downloading to a hard drive.
I had XandrOS install on my Dad's PC but he won't use it because it's slow and it wouldn't do what Windows can at the moment. I am thinking about PCLinuxOS as the next option if I can get the online media playing working.
Any suggestions/tips to remedy the situation is aprreciated.
33 • OpenBSD (by Patrick on 2005-06-20 13:57:47 GMT from Luxembourg)
I have never used OpenBSD, but I suppose that it is a good piece of work, and we all owe Theo for products like OpenSSH and his quest for more OS security. But, as Linus and the NetBSD people before said, "he's difficult".
What I don't understand is why he says that Linux people are stupid because they make up a cheap workforce for large corporations. While this may be true somehow, my understanding is that the GPL at least locks companies in the "open" world. OTOH, the BSD-licence which Theo defends is much more companies-friendly. So if companies still choose Linux and not BSD (Apple chose part of FreeBSD, but nobody used OpenBSD as a whole for a new OS), he might be just annoyed by the fact that although he's actually more companies-friendly, companies turn to Linux.
So I guess he just doesn't understand why no commercial company bases any product on the "superior" and BSD-licensed OpenBSD. Of course he's not stupid, so he knows the answer.
34 • Theo, Lycoris, and WTH is a Download for Litrix? (by TG_Mateo on 2005-06-20 14:04:48 GMT from United States)
All this personal sniping about Theo de Radt overlooks the fact that in many ways, he is right.
The comment was taken out of context...I think Theo's point on OSNEWS was that Linux is fractured developmentally, with different hands covering different parts of a useful linux distribution, whereas BSD is designed as a complete package. Outside of the kernel, there isn't much by way of integration of the linux user experience, or linux development, the way that the BSD teams could do.
Which leaves the distributor (I think that is the right word for it), to try to integrate it all. It's a poor development model, fromt eh end user perspective.
The first reaction is always: attack. Maybe Theo, a stalwart of the open source community, should be listened to, instead of derided.
You will never learn anything if you don't listen to your critics.
Next, Lycoris: sad to see it go really, since it seemed to provide a lower cost alternative to Linspire. Both are good entry points for linux, I thought.
The problem arises that the underlying code is free, so they are both having their lunch money taken by Ubuntu, Mepis, and the horde of Debian Children.
*Shrugs* It's not a bad business model, per se, Lycoris was just not compelling enough for people to part with their cash. If you don't provide enough differentiation, you will fail.
Hopefully, Cheeks will help Mandriva get their entry level desktop together, and maybe streamline the overall desktop. And get them to dump the stoned penguin.
Finally, anyone have a workign link to Litrix? Seems interesting, but the SF link comes up negative.
-TG_Mateo
Tactical Gamer.com
Tactical OS Project Lead.
35 • RE: Forward looking... (by Anonymous on 2005-06-20 14:08:19 GMT from United States)
"I am looking for a distro that can do what Windows can online: playing all audio and video formats. It's quite easy to find what missing and install it so the media will play on any web site."
Most Linux distros can do that with some amount of work. I can tell you that I can do all of that using Ubuntu. The instructions for doing that are laid out very clearly here:
http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
and here:
http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
There's also a way to play these files using MPlayer and RealPlayer without installing plugins. Instructions here:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33107
This is all stuff that can be done on any distro, provided you have the instructions. Ubuntu users are just very good about sharing their knowledge.
36 • gentoo (by Yanik on 2005-06-20 14:10:07 GMT from Canada)
I never liked gentoo, my time is too precious. But I guest now I will never ever give it another try.
37 • And here I just installed "Mandriva" ... (by just john on 2005-06-20 14:12:41 GMT from United States)
... and a lot of their stuff still said "Mandrake."
What're they gonna call it now, Mandrivore?
Waitaminnit, I like the sound of that! THE DISTRO THAT ATE THE WORLD!!!
(Seriously tho, the install is working quite well.)
38 • RE: RE: Forward looking... (by IAQ on 2005-06-20 14:17:08 GMT from United States)
Hey, thanks for the info. I'll give it a shot when I get home today.
I have looked at various forums to see if there is any tips with regard to this issue. Not that I look extremely hard consider the number of forums on the net.
Maybe I will have a solution after all.
Again, thanks.
39 • microsoft (by paul h at 2005-06-20 14:21:49 GMT from United States)
like WTF. no there www.getthefacts.com i did not see any hard numbers for cost and speed. lets see for windows it costed me app. $780 with the server edition and a few applications and with linux and or freebsd it costed me $0. though linux isnt as easy as point and click for setting up a server , oh well it has never crashed on me compared to windows server edition. i have a older computer, duron 1.6ghz, nforce2 integrated graphics ( looks outstanding) and 512 mb ram , windows was SOOOOO SLOW, took 5+ mins to boot and still had tons of lag doing whatever, and on linux takes me 2 mins or less and never had any lag. its fast as lighting......it so happened my dad was struck be lighting 2 times 4 days before my birthday just 2 years ago from talking on his phone in a 18 wheel big rig and he still lives to this date but has mental problems but can function normally, ;(((. but back to linux i wonder is bill gates is like the openbsd founder and never used it and is just trying to brainwash people.i think it would be funny if a linux website owner or some linux user intervied billgates face to face and had a linux computer there for him to use it and explain his reactions and or complanits.
40 • RE: Forward looking... (by pp on 2005-06-20 14:31:53 GMT from United Kingdom)
I think MEPIS has java, flash, realplayer and Nvidia working out of the box, if you don't want to waste time configuring those.
41 • New distribution additions (by Ariszló on 2005-06-20 14:32:22 GMT from Hungary)
Ladislav,
How do you decide when to add a new distribution? Some distributions were submitted long-long ago and they are still on the waiting list. While some of them are too outdated or unmaintained to be added, I would like to see Underground Desktop among the new additions. It is an i686-optimized distribution based on Debian Sid.
Ariszló
42 • RE: Kanotix (by debianite on 2005-06-20 14:35:50 GMT from Germany)
"it would seem high time that more Debian-based distros would start to use Xorg now"
Heh, it seems that we'll get X.org to Debian very soon now. Branden Robinson (the current Debian Project Leader and a leading member of Debian's "X Strike Force") has written today in his blog about the progress of Debian's X.org: "There's a bit of housecleaning and QA still to do before uploading to experimental, but the worst of the hurdles are cleared, and that's a mighty good feeling."
http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/~branden/blog/exuberance/Debian/a_good_day_to_make_World.html
The Debian X.org packages will be at first available only in experimental repo, but I'm sure most Debian based distros will waste no time in adopting the official X.org. :-)
43 • RE: RE: Forward looking... (by pp (by IMQ on 2005-06-20 14:38:02 GMT from United States)
I am aware that some distro have flash, java, realplayer installed by default. But I don't think they can play Trailer clips and other embbeded audio/video online. Many of these require Windows Media Player.
44 • RE: New distribution additions (by ladislav on 2005-06-20 14:39:19 GMT from Taiwan)
Yes, Underground Desktop has been in quite some demand lately. I'll add it tomorrow.
45 • Lyons name sez it all. (by watcher_012350 on 2005-06-20 14:49:51 GMT from United States)
When considering the quotes from Theo DeRaat, it would probably be more wise to consider the source of the article (Dan Lyons) than anything which was 'said'. I don't know Theo or OpenBSD from Adam, but I do know (of) Lyons smarmy tactics. The two OS's have different focuses, as do Linus and Theo. Just remember that Dan won't EVER pass up a chance to bash Linux (which he's never used either, btw).
46 • Theo & the other BSD guys (by pinguinus on 2005-06-20 14:55:33 GMT from Finland)
I suppose it is a bit like this with Theo, and probably with many other BSD developers too:
The man has given most of his life and time for (Open)BSD. But when he looks around, what does he see? People, whether companies, server or desktop users, even many former BSD users, just keep flocking to that darn Linux... And what's more: although the BSD license was supposed to be the most liberal license and good for commercial purposes too, that GPL'd software just keeps growing, and Linux gets all the commercial and hardware too... Man, life is sometimes so difficult to understand, isn't it..?
BSD: Don't they know how much time and effort we've put to make this BSD code so clean and ultra securet? Where's our commercial support? Don't they understand and appreciate us at all? So is it pity that we want? No, damn, we are better than that for sure. So there just has to be something very wrong with that other OS, people using it, and that darn GPL license, right...?
It sure must piss you off sometimes when you have worked your ass off for an OS, and the competitor seems to get all the money, popularity and media attention...
I've no doubt that BSDs are great, secure and what not. But a major part of this oftentimes ridiculous and pathetic BSD zealotry against Linux and GPL is simply just - bitter envy.
47 • Spats (by Moe at 2005-06-20 14:58:48 GMT from United States)
When a writer says that capitalism in the US is a failure we really have to wonder if the author is in touch with reality. Statements like that only drive a wedge between people who seek a common goal and that's simply the sharing of wealth. We like Open Source because it can potentially save us lots of euros and dollars. It is also gives us greater choice. Ultimately we all share in the intelectual wealth that is freely contributed to the development of Linux. Let's be thankful for all who have contributed to our global community.
48 • Taking M$ money... (by Anon Doofer on 2005-06-20 15:00:34 GMT from United States)
It seems pretty extreme to boot off distros that take M$ ad money. I know all about the M$ claims and FUD, but seriously -- just take the M$ money if they're dumb enough to offer it and post some nice disclaimers to counter. If this community is all about 'free' software, why aren't we about 'free' speech and a 'free' marketplace as well? Open standards can win the argument. Going bonkers and trying to censor the FUD rather than countering it is what gives us a rep for being zealots.
49 • Linspire is slow... (by Canadian Penguin on 2005-06-20 15:20:16 GMT from Canada)
I mean the website... haven't seen the distro yet...
I've been trying to order (read: get for free :P) Linspire using the coupon code for over an hour. For some reason, the home page loads quite fast, but any subsequent page loads extremely slowly. Most of the time I get a 'server not found' error. Anybody else ran into this? (assuming you are even remotely interested in Linspire).
Anyways... I'll get back to FC4... it's the fastest distro i've ever used, and the first full-featured/general purpose distro to load faster than you-know-what (clue: the maker of this OS is from Redmond and has/will have a 36 m² booth at LinuxTag) . Nothing/Nobody can taking my Fedora from me!
By the way, itsn't Lycoris from Redmond, or was that another distro? So, Mandriva is marching into Redmond. Can't wait for their next acquisition. ;)
50 • Why not work together??? (by Powerflash on 2005-06-20 15:28:21 GMT from Norway)
I'm beginning to get really tired of this Linux and BSD war. Perhaps it would be an idea to get friends??? I know about that license stuff. Maybe Linux and BSD could make a licence together? We're all working to reach the same goal or have I misundersood the whole idea behind Open Source???
Stop the war and make a "Linux and BSD public license"!!!
51 • Powerflash: Do we need a Linux and BSD public license? (by Canadian Penguin on 2005-06-20 15:44:23 GMT from Canada)
Any such license must be compatible with the GPL, since Linux is distributed under this license. IIRC, the BSD license allows you to publish modifications under a different license as long as proper attribution is provided. So, do we need yet another open-source license, this one made specifically for this Linux-BSD hybrid kernel/distro, given the fact that any such license has to be compitable with the GPL? I don't think so.
52 • Great Issue (by Rajiv Battula on 2005-06-20 15:50:04 GMT from United States)
Hey good on this weeks issue. Oh I was wondering why there isn't robert's review on various free software products. Any way good job.
53 • RE: Taking M$ money (by ladislav on 2005-06-20 15:52:53 GMT from Taiwan)
I don't expect everybody to agree with my postition. Nevertheless, I tried to present clear arguments why I believe that the practice is wrong and why we should boycott Linux web sites that help spreading somebody's anti-Linux propaganda. If you disagree, then present some convicing arguments. Free speech? Come on, you and I know that there are limits on what one can say without crossing a line. And zealotry? Yes, that too is a common argument of people who don't have a real argument.
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20041108#2
Please re-read the above and tell me where I am wrong.
54 • Robbins at Microsoft - Contact is Mutually Beneficial (by chuckd on 2005-06-20 15:56:39 GMT from United States)
The fact is Microsoft has a long history of hiring the competition. Makes sense from their perspective. Robbins may help move the company toward a better understanding and co-existence with open source. I think we should view Daniel Robbins employment with MS with hopeful optimism. At the very least it shows MS takes Linux seriously and may help change their incorrect assumptions. It also debunks Ballmer’s recent rant about Linux developers being mainly a bunch disaffected teenagers living in their mother's basement! The fact is, many talented folks from the open source community have worked there (Joe Cheeks of Lycoris among them).
Remember, the MS is not a single entity. It's made up of (mostly) talented people with a wide range of different ideas about politics, corporate strategy and open source vs. proprietary software development. Historically, contact is general is almost always mutually beneficial. The more contact, the more understanding.
55 • No Linspire For You! (by freelunch on 2005-06-20 16:13:44 GMT from United States)
I keep seeing these "act now and get free Linspire" messages, and they never seem to actually work. Apparently the server has been sluggish since this was announced on distrowatch. When I finally got through to get my freebie, I was told...
Coupon LycorisWelcome expired on Jun 11, 2005 07:35 AM PST and is no longer valid
So, apparently the coupon expired before cubbybrendle even announced it on June 19. Yet there are several people on that site saying, dude, thanks & I'm downloading it now!
All publicity stunts? No idea.
56 • Powerflash: Do we need a Linux and BSD public license? (by Canadian Penguin on 2005-06-20 16:26:20 GMT from Canada)
Any such license must be compatible with the GPL, since Linux is distributed under this license. IIRC, the BSD license allows you to publish modifications under a different license as long as proper attribution is provided. So, do we need yet another open-source license, this one made specifically for this Linux-BSD hybrid kernel/distro, given the fact that any such license has to be compitable with the GPL? I don't think so.
57 • No Linspire For You! (by freelunch on 2005-06-20 16:44:25 GMT from United States)
I keep seeing these "act now and get free Linspire" messages, and they never seem to actually work. Apparently the server has been sluggish since this was announced on distrowatch. When I finally got through to get my freebie, I was told...
Coupon LycorisWelcome expired on Jun 11, 2005 07:35 AM PST and is no longer valid
So, apparently the coupon expired before cubbybrendle even announced it on June 19. Yet there are several people on that site saying, dude, thanks & I'm downloading it now!
All publicity stunts? No idea.
58 • Powerflash: Do we need a Linux and BSD public license? (by Canadian Penguin on 2005-06-20 16:47:31 GMT from Canada)
Any such license must be compatible with the GPL, since Linux is distributed under this license. IIRC, the BSD license allows you to publish modifications under a different license as long as proper attribution is provided. So, do we need yet another open-source license, this one made specifically for this Linux-BSD hybrid kernel/distro, given the fact that any such license has to be compitable with the GPL? I don't think so.
59 • Why are some of the comments appearing multiple times? (by Canadian Penguin on 2005-06-20 16:52:55 GMT from Canada)
I know I posted each of my two comments *exactly* once. Yet one of them appears at least three times. :(
60 • Why not work together? (by pinguinus on 2005-06-20 16:53:11 GMT from Finland)
Agreed. I'm sure that most mature Linux and BSD developers and users don't have anything important against the other one, nor against cooperation. But cooperating together for mutual benefit seems all too difficult an idea for many people... I'm afraid you cannot change the mind of those people if the only way they accept is their way and they have no understanding whatsoever for other kind of opinions.
Personally I feel that the extreme BSD zealots like Theo de Raadt seem to be most difficult people to cooperate with - if you don't happen to share all their ideas. Even the hardcore GNU/FSF zealots like Stallman usually accept BSD licenses and projects as good open source citizens. But BSD extremists may accept almost anything except Linux and GPL... I really wonder if it is so hard to accept that the younger brother, Linux, has grown so much bigger than the older BSD...?
BDSs and GNU/Linux distros are like brothers and sisters. Even most of the user programs are the same. Even BSD extremists don't seem to have problems using lots and lots of GPL licensed software on BSD systems. If they are so against GPL - let them stop using all GPL software once and for all too... Oh better yet, why not grow up, accept your bigger brother, and learn to cooperate?
61 • Why are some of the comments appearing multiple times? (by Canadian Penguin on 2005-06-20 16:53:21 GMT from Canada)
I know I posted each of my two comments *exactly* once. Yet one of them appears at least three times. :(
62 • Double posting (by IMQ on 2005-06-20 17:09:52 GMT from United States)
I believe the reason for this to happen if the user refresh the screen after hitting 'Submit comment'
I posted once then mistakenly refreshed the page and the post appeared twice.
63 • RE: SUSE not attending LinuxTag (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-20 17:28:26 GMT from Italy)
The final straw, if I needed one.
In fact I have already stopped using SUSE: buggy, slow, bloated and customized in ways I don't like at all.
Pity, because the polish was OK.
64 • Debian Pure (by William Roddy on 2005-06-20 17:31:30 GMT from United States)
The Debian Pure link comes up "Site temporarily disabled." Hope that changes.
It's encouraging to see some writers here speak out against country-bashing. We all know open source has no borders.
The question no longer is, "Is Microsoft a monopoly?" They have been proven to be such, in courts of law. The question is, how much will they have to pay for their wrong-doing.
Microsoft has destroyed many companies, in its march to the sea. Many people have suffered because of this. But, so far, it has not been able to destroy Linux.
The Microsoft community in Redmond faces a tough opponent in a world-wide open source community. That's why I think we should keep Linux Without Borders as part of the mission.
Microsoft is playing this game for keeps. Are we?
If Microsoft is hiring top Linux developers, do you think they're doing it for purposes that will be advantageous to the Linux community? Don't you think that they have someone at Redmond, reading every word on this and other Linux sites, scouting for chinks in their enemy's armor?
Don't you think that they periodically have a shill write a disruptive or argumentative post here, to see what rattles Linux users?
Don't you think they'd shudder at a completely unified Linux front?
65 • DEBIAN PURE (by William Roddy on 2005-06-20 17:40:16 GMT from United States)
In my last comment, I said the DEBIAN PURE link was down.
The DEBIAN PURE link is up now and I'm downloading, to give it a test run.
66 • mmmm.... (by NobodyXXX on 2005-06-20 18:01:15 GMT from El Salvador)
As I can see GNU is beeter because have Social Benefits. May be BSD is better to corporative, allow them to put copyrights on the work of others. GNU put you on the work to give it free ever, you cant apropiate it.
In other way GNU/Linux CAN use BSD in it, then GNU is better because you can have all the benefits of GNU and BSD.
There are some hybrid Linux/BSD distroes out there and is a good thing.
67 • First OpenSolaris x86 Public Distro (by Jeje on 2005-06-20 18:06:45 GMT from United Kingdom)
Here it comes, the very first Solaris variant! It's called SchilliX. Should it be listed in Distrowatch? Dunno... Well Solaris is in it. We have tons of distros derivated from RedHat, why not from Solaris? Because it will soon become out of control? Possibly..
http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=SchilliX
As always, thanks Ladislav for a great site! :)
68 • Mandriva Linux 2006 (by Alex on 2005-06-20 18:16:02 GMT from United States)
When will it be released?
69 • An error about Vidalinux 1.2 (by Alex on 2005-06-20 18:17:04 GMT from United States)
It's scheduled for August 1, not June 20.
70 • RE:RE: RE: Forward looking... (by hkl8324 on 2005-06-20 18:22:05 GMT from Hong Kong)
Just compile Mplayer will all codec pakcage and install Mplayer plugin
for mozilla/firefox, and you call watch every single movie clip on the web (including Windows Media 9 and Real Media 10)
71 • To many misspelled words: (by hkl8324 on 2005-06-20 18:37:36 GMT from Hong Kong)
Just compile Mplayer with all codec package and install Mplayer plugins for mozilla/firefox, and you can watch every single movie clip on the web.
72 • Good Read (by Wesley Hamel on 2005-06-20 18:50:38 GMT from United States)
Another great distrowatch weekly
73 • gentoo (by Chuck BAtes at 2005-06-20 19:02:43 GMT from United States)
money is a powerful motivator.
74 • No Linspire (by Captain Ron on 2005-06-20 19:03:33 GMT from United States)
I have the same trouble everytime I go to Linspire to get their free offer.
NO WAY!! Whats the deal?? This time I was told the offer is only "good between 7:30am and 1:00 am". No matter what time it is I still can't get them to give it up. This only makes me feel that I should not buy it or their CNR!! However for those who are willing to take a chance on liking it, you can just buy the CNR program and it will come with a link to down load Linspire 5-0 for $49.95 instead of $89.95. But that does not help if you deside you do not like it.
75 • Video trailers on yahoo, Capitalism. Lycoris & Linspire (by antonio on 2005-06-20 19:04:59 GMT from United States)
A distro that can play most multimedia out of the box. Try slax.
http://slax.linux-live.org/
It is great!!! I have used it to hear live streams from shoutcast.
http://shoutcast.com/
Since I have used Slax Standard Edition, go to shoutcast and right click on your favorite station. Select copy link location, fire up Kplayer and paste into open url and voila you can listen to live streams on the internet. This was sluggish in Popcorn edition and knocked me out several times. I have not been able though with the trailer clips from Yahoo Movies.
If SLAX does not work for you, Give KANOTIX a try.
http://kanotix.com/info/index.php
Kanotix has java and has most plugins available. It also has streamtuner which uses xmms to play live streams from shoutcast or other places where you can stream media. I have not tried the Yahoo Trailer Clips though.
In some regards, firefox bails out when I have tried to watch some videos in Fedora Core 3 and previous Mandrake 9.2.
Capitalism in the USA. Lycoris, and Linspire. There was a comment on Linspire going down. I do not know about this, but they complain about Microsoft, they pay Microsoft to get the rights to support some windows formats/media formats, and they are charging for that just like Microsoft. It is great to have a site like Distrowatch.com and find out about other distros. From my own experiences, not that I have anything against Linspire, but they want to rip alot of people off, with this regard, It is great to have choices. For instance, SLAX and KANOTIX for sure are far better than Linspire. Of course for new windows converts, Linspire is great. But I am not a convert and I was not too happy to pay for CNR when I see that the programs are all free and could be installed from source/through apt get. And now with UBUNTU, how can Linspire compete??? There is no way. Their survival will depend on how many people they reach who do not know any better.
I also agree with previous comment on using Mplayer & Mplayer plugins. Just that in my case, firefox bails me out. I cannot view embedded video.
Regards
76 • No subject (by hkl8324 at 2005-06-20 19:22:36 GMT from Hong Kong)
Maybe you guys can just leech off torrent at www.torrentspy.com
(someone at linuxquestions.org tell me downloading Suse professional retail edition is not pirating, so do linspire, maybe? someone please correct me if i am wrong....)
77 • Daniel and MS (by Max on 2005-06-20 20:01:50 GMT from Australia)
Maybe Daniel is a suicide bomber...
God save Linux!
78 • Longhorn (by Lord-Storm on 2005-06-20 20:09:47 GMT from Australia)
Well dont worry... if the 1G ram requirement is true watch the BSD droves since linux sucks according to microsoft. Please note big companies in the linux world should class action microsoft. They are just stropy because the open office project is better than theirs. Soon i will have no HL on the steam network. I will be free of the MS bain in my life.
This is not Linux FUD i would be happy to goto solaris if the hardware support was any good (this comes with time) ZFS. Or PC-BSD.
I am sick of the almost ... microsecond upgrades required by badly coded applications on XP nortons and office to name a few. Let me clarafy what I mean by bad code; Features hidden, Stupid anoying clippies, And general bloat.. In the case of nortans AVG F-PROT Krapski all perform better. Kero & securepoint firewalls work without the bloat. It might just be because not all microsoft developers care about the finished product without ANTI piracy. The linux community pay in droves to support such companies as the old mandrake (much better name).
79 • No Linspire (2) (by Canadian Penguin on 2005-06-20 20:09:47 GMT from Canada)
"Coupon LycorisWelcome is only valid between the hours of 7:30 AM and 1:00 PM."
My question is... which time zone?
And... will it work tomorrow? (whenever that is, depending on time zone)
80 • Re: Longhorn (by Lord-Storm on 2005-06-20 20:12:06 GMT from Australia)
Note microsoft cant slam all BSD's Open BSD has been a proven secure platform. And actualy create many secure programs their selves for FREE.
81 • re: No Linspire (by freelunch on 2005-06-20 20:13:30 GMT from United States)
Today I tried the Linspire freebie offer three times under different newly created profiles. I got three completely different error messages:
1) Coupon expired June 11.
2) Valid between 7:30 a.m. and 1 p.m.
3) You're already used this coupon.
Complete rubbish & marketing ploy, imho.
82 • Free Linspire (by Kevin on 2005-06-20 21:18:04 GMT from United States)
The coupon code is only valid between "7:30 AM and 1:00 PM."
83 • linspire download (by semi-intelligent on 2005-06-20 21:51:52 GMT from United States)
http://cubbybrendle.com/?p=10
are you guys insane...the bittorent link is post in the 5th comment how blind can you be.
84 • RE:linspire download (by hkl8324 on 2005-06-20 22:24:05 GMT from Hong Kong)
you mean this?
• Interesting stuff (by Michael on 2005-06-20 10:36:41 GMT from South Africa)
Good read, thanks Ladislav ;-)
85 • re: linspire download (by freelunch on 2005-06-20 22:34:01 GMT from United States)
No, semi, I saw the torrent link. But I'll get my distro legitimately or not at all. I won't steal it.
86 • Debian pure (by Mike on 2005-06-20 23:14:21 GMT from United Kingdom)
I've tried Ubuntu, Kanotix, Mepis and PCLinuxOS. I have a nVidia 6200 PCI-E graphics card and they all die trying to start X. If Debian Pure will let me install vanilla debian + extras from the command line, it might just be what I've been looking for. Thanks for the heads up.
87 • a bunch of topics (by butters on 2005-06-20 23:25:20 GMT from United States)
Gentoo/drobbins - I wish to thank drobbins for all his hard work. When he started there were only a couple real community-based distributions, and the only major one was Debian. Now we have a bunch of community distributions, now including Fedora and OpenSolaris. I love the Gentoo community even more than I love Gentoo, and in many ways Daniel had to leave the project in order to facilitate the community. Even though I feel his values are an odd match with Microsoft's, I wish him good luck.
OpenSolaris - I would like to second the proposal to include OpenSolaris on DistroWatch. I was an extreme skeptic about the whole thing, waiting for Sun to screw up the execution or somehow make OpenSolaris less open than it could be. However, I don't think I'm the only one reading DistroWatch that has visited opensolaris.com and been blown away by how impressive this project is. It is in its early stages, yes, and it's not a complete distribution yet, but have you taken a look at their CVS frontend? Wow! Have you read the blogs that explain everything from the cyclic filesystem cache to how to write a DDI device driver? This has definitely "put the fun back into computing" for me, so I think it should be included on DistroWatch.
Get The Facts - Oh, here we go again with the Get The Facts stuff. Look, we're not here to censor what advertisements are displayed on various websites. They're on Slashdot, too, although I don't see anyone here debating a Slashdot boycott!! People are free to seek out whatever information they like. They're also free to draw any conclusions from said information. People who know better will see through the flaws and oversights in the Get The Facts materials, or they will decide to balance their information with materials prepared by open source supporters, or they will decide that Get The Facts is a good way to explain their pro-MS agenda to their IT manager. Regardless, anyone who gets suckered by these ads is by no means a valuable contribution to our community, and I have no problem watching them miss the boat. It does us no good to wave our arms and stomp our feet and wear a big giant sign that says "I'm a Linux Zealot and your OS sucks!!" I suppose Windows users should boycott distrowatch because we spread FUD that Linux is easier to use than Windows?
Finally, the obligatory nominations for the monthly donation:
XEN - This is a killer app. No one in the proprietary world saw this coming, and jaws hit the floor when they realized they had been beaten to the punch. Something tells me this project can use some money to help with the x86-64 and PPC ports planned for August.
freedesktop.org - We NEED xgl, and we need it yesterday. I've pointed this out many times here and on OSNews. Cairo is a stillborn child running on XRender. There's hardly any limit to the nice features that we could have implemented a long time ago if we had the hardware drawing primitives.
88 • Best LInux DIstros in my experience (by Triple5 at 2005-06-20 23:39:40 GMT from United States)
#1 Phaeronix (Easy way to have GEntoo) live-cd/installable
#2 Vidalinux (ANother easy way to have gentoo)
#3 Kanotix (Best debian/sid for me) live-cd/installable
#4 Mutagenix (SLackware based) livecd-/installable (next version)
#5 Archie (ARch distro just hooked up) livecd/installable soon =)
#6 BLAG (better done fedora and more up to date)
#7 FOX (better done fedora, more up to date and hell a lot of eyecandy)
#8 Frugalware ( slackware + pacman = frugal)
#9 Crux ( my friends just tell me its the best )
#10 ________________ LUcky last distro what could it be..
last but not least PCLINUX livecd/installable .. I love it
:-)
89 • OpenSolaris community? (by AQ on 2005-06-21 01:10:15 GMT from United States)
Have you tried reading the CDDL? I suppose Sun owning half of any code submitted is a perk to that "community"?
90 • Daniel Robbins and Microsoft (by Ric de France on 2005-06-21 02:01:19 GMT from Australia)
Keep in mind, unless Daniel starts working on closed-source applications, he IS making money from Open Source. It's just that the person paying him hasn't been the friendliest to Open Source in the past.
And since he moved all the "IP" over the the Gentoo Foundation, meaning Microsoft has little chance of shutting down the distribution I use most, all I can do is wish Daniel the best for the future...
...Ric
91 • @AQ (by butters on 2005-06-21 04:32:47 GMT from United States)
Have you read the CDDL? Do you use Firefox? The CDDL is based on the MPL. It is a hybrid between the GPL and BSD licenses. On the one hand, any modifications to the source must be shared with the commons before said source is redistributed (copyleft like GPL). On the other hand, source licensed under the CDDL can be used in any derivative work, regardless of how said derivative work is licensed (like BSD).
Sun only owns the code in the sense that they have the patent application rights to any modifications the community might make to existing source files. They do not have a patent claim on the original portions of any derivative works. This is not so bad. How many patents have you filed on modifications you make to GPL/BSD/MPL licensed source files?
The only other modification to the MPL made is the copyright litigation clause. Who knows if this is actually enforceable, but the gist is: if you piss in the pool, you have to get out. You can't file a copyright infringment suit concerning CDDL software if you use or distribute software containing CDDL licensed source code. For example, if the Linux kernel were licensed under the CDDL, than SCO wouldn't have been able to file suit against IBM since they distributed software based on and including the Linux kernel (Caldera).
I understand the theology behind the GPL, and I credit its clauses with elevating free software to its current market. Without the GPL, free software might have remained forever in obscurity. Then again, sans the USL/BSDI/Berkley lawsuits of 1992-94, the Linux kernel might not have ever emerged as something more than a hobby Minix clone.
Regardless, the CDDL is a sign that open source software is growing up. The market understands that the open source development model is not only legitimate, but it works better than commercial software development in many cases. With the GPL, we are encountering more obstacles to open source development than the protective benefits of the past. The same clauses that keep free software free are preventing corporations from embracing free software. Sun can't release Solaris under the GPL. There are parts they licensed from third parties that require attribution along those lines. The lack of provisions for attributions in GPL software has always been a sore spot for me: what it is about giving credit where credit is due that doesn't jive with free software?
I wish that we could all in it together: one community, united in the quest to produce a great free software stack. However, the GPL doesn't allow anyone to play in its sandbox unless their religion is no more restrictive than its own, and even if their religion is less restrictive, it requires that they convert before they can play together. Well, some children are born into different religions. Why can't I send my children to play in your sandbox?
Please understand, I've been a staunch Linux and active member of various Linux communities since I largely gave up on Windows in 1999. But I'm not closed-minded and stubborn like many others in the Linux community. I never stop seeking out new ideas. I approach cautiously and look both ways before crossing the street, so to speak, because I always have a nagging feeling the grass might be greener on the other side, but I also know cars are real, even when they're not.
92 • RE: • a bunch of topics (by NobodyXXX on 2005-06-21 05:45:01 GMT from El Salvador)
"Regardless, anyone who gets suckered by these ads is by no means a valuable contribution to our community, and I have no problem watching them miss the boat."
Do you realize that "get the facts" targets other people than you and me? We are linux users, conviced, open-mind, but the fucked "facts" are to stop or slowdown the motives of other peolpe to adopt linux. This "facts" are in a context: the well knowed bad-blood of M$ against linux and open source that we saw in ther past and see in the present. IS NOT a matter of opinion, is a matter of twist the reality to convince people that are searching a new option.
We know that M$ IS NOT SO CLEAN when is in a competition with other standards... in web browsers, mediaplayers, office suites, etc. I cant spect a competition based in technical things, I can only spect dirty tricks, untru facts, payed opinions, etc. M$ never wins being a better OS, it only wins being corrupt in the courts, paying people, attacking with third parties, etc.
The matter is if we dont do nothig the fact will be a damage to the linux credibility as a valid/tru option.
As I can remember ther are a word named ETHIC. that mean a linux user cant be stupid to put his confidence (and good work) in Linux and then in other day let other to say untru facts in his own site. ETHIC means you will not lie to your users only because Mr. Bill Gates offer you bucks!!!
In the same way, take me a lot of time to get my boss believe in linux as a possible solution! I'm not happy reading well knowed lies in a site that my boss visit! I will be a "liar" IF I DO NOTHING to stablish REAL facts in a debat... hand off is not an option!
93 • @Canadian Penguin (by Ariszló on 2005-06-21 06:30:02 GMT from Hungary)
By the way, itsn't Lycoris from Redmond, or was that another distro? So, Mandriva is marching into Redmond. Can't wait for their next acquisition. ;)
LOL!
94 • Quick Q re i686 (by brodders on 2005-06-21 07:44:17 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hi guys...
Seen some distros coming through optimised for i686.
I've a few old K6 (and x2 celery) systems about - so my Q is: are both of these classed as i686 or i586 processors ??
:)
brodders
95 • Debian Pure link not working.. (by Josef on 2005-06-21 08:13:23 GMT from Czech Republic)
The site is disabled. Any info anyone?
96 • Daniel Robbins (by Benedict Verheyen on 2005-06-21 08:41:26 GMT from Belgium)
quote:
>>>The moral of the story? Never get into debt. If you do, you might have to sell your soul to the devil just to save your family!<<<
Quite disrespectful for a person who has done great deeds for Linux. Am i happy about the move? Nope but that doesn't take away anything he did in the past.
And afterall, family comes first so if he needs to go work at Microsoft to feed his family, so be it. If he was so dear to the Linux public, why didn't he receive more donations? Then he wouldn't have to go work at MS.
97 • Distrowatch for Sun Employees (by AQ on 2005-06-21 11:04:14 GMT from United States)
You must work for Sun, as that was the largest peice of FUD I've read this month.
"Have you read the CDDL?" Many times... I actually understand it.
"Do you use Firefox?" Firefox is tri-licensed, meaning it is also released as GNU GPL. OpenSolaris is not, so let's not make ignorant comparisons.
"The CDDL is based on the MPL." Correct.
"It is a hybrid between the GPL and BSD license."
Sure, it is a "GPL" for proprietary software companies, which is an ignorant commentary as the GPL defends code from proprietary software companies. A better way to explain it is that it is a non-free BSD license propagandized as a corporate GPL.
"On the one hand, any modifications to the source must be shared with the commons before said source is redistributed (copyleft like GPL)."
That is not the definition of copyleft.
"On the other hand, source licensed under the CDDL can be used in any derivative work, regardless of how said derivative work is licensed (like BSD)."
It is incompatible with the most popular open source license, the GNU GPL.
"Sun only owns the code in the sense that they have the patent application rights to any modifications the community might make to existing source files."
You like software patents, and you want to give more patents to Sun? Are you on crack?
"They do not have a patent claim on the original portions of any derivative works. This is not so bad. How many patents have you filed on modifications you make to GPL/BSD/MPL licensed source files?"
What type of idiot would willingly give patent rights to a corporation who didn't create the work itself? Hey, maybe Sun could then use those patents against GPL'd software... yay!
"The only other modification to the MPL made is the copyright litigation clause. Who knows if this is actually enforceable, but the gist is: if you piss in the pool, you have to get out. You can't file a copyright infringment suit concerning CDDL software if you use or distribute software containing CDDL licensed source code. For example, if the Linux kernel were licensed under the CDDL, than SCO wouldn't have been able to file suit against IBM since they distributed software based on and including the Linux kernel (Caldera)."
Since anyone can take the code and make it proprietary, what would be the point of a copyright infringement lawsuit. You must not of thought this through. On top of that the SCO suit has nothing to do with linux code at this point, as there has been no evidence of code in Linux from SCO. The SCO lawsuit is now a "contract" battle with IBM... and yes, they could still have sued IBM even under the CDDL, as this was a contract issue.
"I understand the theology behind the GPL,"
No, you don't.
"and I credit its clauses with elevating free software to its current market. Without the GPL, free software might have remained forever in obscurity. Then again, sans the USL/BSDI/Berkley lawsuits of 1992-94, the Linux kernel might not have ever emerged as something more than a hobby Minix clone."
Ummm, sure. I love assumption based arguments. If you can't see that people don't rally around the BSD for a reason, that is your problem. Linux was the Kernel of the GNU operating system, defended by the GPL. It is that license that made Linux popular. That Kernel protected by that license would have been popular against the BSD no matter what time it was created or released. (Hint: people around the world on not so keen on developing code which can be made proprietary by monopolists.)
"Regardless, the CDDL is a sign that open source software is growing up."
It is a sign that corporations want to make code developed for them proprietary, and fool people into developing it for free.
"The market understands that the open source development model is not only legitimate, but it works better than commercial software development in many cases. With the GPL, we are encountering more obstacles to open source development than the protective benefits of the past. The same clauses that keep free software free are preventing corporations from embracing free software."
And of course free software should be developed around corporations which buy influence and then use that influence against the people.
"Sun can't release Solaris under the GPL. There are parts they licensed from third parties that require attribution along those lines. The lack of provisions for attributions in GPL software has always been a sore spot for me: what it is about giving credit where credit is due that doesn't jive with free software?"
Actually, copyright declarations remain in GPL software, as the GPL gets its strength from copyright itself. This is classic FUD, I hope Sun is paying you well.
"I wish that we could all in it together: one community, united in the quest to produce a great free software stack."
People who actually care about freedom and not working for free for proprietary software companies are united to produce free software in a popular and successful movement. It is time the corporations join us... it is not time for us to join corporations. We earned this freedom for ourselves and we aren't going to hand that over to corporations when they've done nothing to earn it.
"However, the GPL doesn't allow anyone to play in its sandbox unless their religion is no more restrictive than its own, and even if their religion is less restrictive, it requires that they convert before they can play together. Well, some children are born into different religions. Why can't I send my children to play in your sandbox?"
What in the world are you talking about? Proprietary software companies are your children now? So I should develop software that can be made proprietary and used against consumers who will be denied the freedom "your children" were allowed? All wrapped behind an unhealthy EULA I assume. Sorry, my children are freedom loving people who will not deny freedom to others through their selfishness.
"Please understand, I've been a staunch Linux and active member of various Linux communities since I largely gave up on Windows in 1999."
You sound about as "staunch" as a limp noodle.
"But I'm not closed-minded and stubborn like many others in the Linux community. I never stop seeking out new ideas. I approach cautiously and look both ways before crossing the street, so to speak, because I always have a nagging feeling the grass might be greener on the other side, but I also know cars are real, even when they're not."
Well, I guess I'm just old-fashioned. Freedom for my friends and family, and billions of people around the world is just an old ideal I guess. If only I could be open minded enough to allow my code to be co-opted into proprietary software by monopolists, then I'd really get somewhere.
98 • re:amd k6 (by mark alec on 2005-06-21 12:31:04 GMT from Australia)
The AMD k6/k6-2/k6-3 are all i586s.
99 • VLOS 1.2 Postponed... (by koyi on 2005-06-21 12:31:12 GMT from Japan)
They just updated their website and said that the release date of 1.2 has been postponed to 1st of August.
100 • ready for the flame... (by im_ka on 2005-06-21 13:59:06 GMT from Sweden)
i've installed windows 2000 on my laptop. reason: audio. besides gaming, audio stuff lags behind os/x and windows. soundforge is a must for my work (yea audacity is nice, but nothing like soundforge), and there's a nifty little - but a bit outdated - app that can do direct recording to mp3. couldn't get them working under wine. i could be dual booting, but i only got a 20 gb hd and i need the space for audio so i don't want to fragment my drive that much.
it's been a bad oss week. the rant by the openbsd guy, daniel robbins hired by ms (i understand him and do not agree with some of the harsh comments in this dww), me installing windows (i don't matter that much though)... i feel bad.
and now the positive side.
i'm still using mostly open source apps. win2k behind a router + a good firewall app + firefox + tbird + openoffice (latest beta) + gimp + mplayer make a quite usable desktop... at least i can do my work.
maybe theo is right in a way. the linux (and floss in general) community should stop developing hundreds of distros that are almost the same and a lot of them are mostly useless anyway. maybe if the community wasn't so fragmented i would still be using linux. instead of making another debian spinoff, why can't they sort out the linux audio hell (it _is_ a hell: oss, alsa, arts, esd... come on) i wish i could (or had the time to learn to) code.
i don't wanna start a flamewar. i still like linux, but have to use windows. just wanted to get this off my heart.
101 • This isn't a confessional (by AQ on 2005-06-21 14:36:41 GMT from United States)
Maybe you should have looked a little closer at ardour, rosegarden, and Jack if you were serious about audio. Maybe you should also look at a larger hard drive. Dyne:bolic would be a helpful distro as well as community to get advice from for those purposes.
By choosing w2k you've basically stunted the growth and security of your system for years to come, though that is entirely your choice to make.
Many people use linux for professional audio recording, and it seems odd that you can't find a way to make it work for you.
102 • Debian Pure (by Robert on 2005-06-21 16:05:06 GMT from United States)
The Debian Pure website is back up now. They apparently got hit hard and their mirrors weren't ready yet. But, they have posted a link to ibiblio.org. I just installed it and it works great!
103 • Linux vs BSD (by none on 2005-06-21 17:14:54 GMT from United States)
"So which one is it? Or do you have any other theory that would explain the sudden rise of bad blood between Linux and BSDs, both of which are well-proven operating systems powering many mission-critical computers? Please discuss below."
Actually, its OpenBSD vs Linux (even if that). I believe that the press had something to do with the whole verbage. Actually, I would like to see video footage of the interview. Who know, Theo has a rep for being a challenging individual. Just don't forget the press might have something to do with it.
Just MHO.
104 • RE: Taking M$ money (Ladislav) (by Anonymous on 2005-06-21 17:27:37 GMT from United States)
Here are a few points.
1) Do competitiors advertise competing products on their website?
a) Do MS sponsored sites promote Firefox/Mozilla, Novel, Apple
2) The name of the game is market share. There are two basically two contenders.
a) Open Standards and Open Source
b) Commercial interests
Typically supporting Open Standards and Open Source everyone can win, using any product they see fit. This results in choice for said product. The only way to get there is via market share which results in some bargining power. The end result are more choices to the consumer. Under option "b", you have to use their products and their products alone.
Now ofcourse there are some gray/grey lines IE: companies that support FLOSS.
LinuxToday isn't worth it. On a side note, do you think that MS management is happy with its employees running around with iPods? ;-)
Just MHO.
105 • mandrivel buys lycoris (by ray carter at 2005-06-21 18:40:42 GMT from United States)
So now they'll call it what? mandrivoris?
106 • RE: • This isn't a confessional (by AQ (by im_ka on 2005-06-21 19:46:47 GMT from Sweden)
it isn't that i can't make it work, but professional audio recording/editing is more mature under windows. and i'm not that much of a zealot to use linux even if windows is better suited (sad but true) for the purposes i need my os for.
btw, i tried all of the apps you've mentioned
107 • SLYNUX (by JLT on 2005-06-22 01:36:26 GMT from United States)
Congrats to Sarath Lakshman for his fine efforts in developing SLYNUX.
I had trouble making the floppy boot disk, and a few other minor probs, but overall most stuff worked very well.
I haven't exactly figured out the package management system yet, but will try some more.
I had other distro's installed and was able to add the appropiate info into the controling GRUB boot menu to get a good boot.
AWESOME JOB!!!! GET 'ER DONE!!
I've been an active user of LindowsOS/Linspire since near the beginning, and it has proven to me time after time after time to correctly identify and setup more hardware on different types of computers than any of the others. I have about 25 computers (extreme hobby???) and an AMD64 3500+ on the way.
My FAV distros after Linspire are generally MEPIS, Kanotix, Xandros, Damn Small. Prob tried at least 60-70.
Capitalism is very allive and doing very well in The USA.
There is no sin in getting appropiately rewarded for hard work.
Be good to other peeps and do SOMEBODY a favor everyday, and I mean it, too !!!! I'll be checkin on YA !!! HAHAHAHAHA
Gotta LOVE this website......... AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!
Appreciate all the hard work and dedication required to setup and maintain, so to Ladislav ........... THANKS and
YOU 'DA MAN !!!!!!!!!!
108 • OS/X audio? (by Ed Borasky on 2005-06-22 03:21:54 GMT from United States)
"ready for the flame... (by im_ka on 2005-06-21 13:59:06 GMT from Sweden)
i've installed windows 2000 on my laptop. reason: audio. besides gaming, audio stuff lags behind os/x and windows."
I'm not a Mac owner/user, but until fairly recently there were some awesome audio packages that only worked on a Mac, and there are whole music departments that are Mac-oriented. For a long time even Windows users had to go begging for support; I think even now there are some Yamaha gizmos that are Mac-friendly and Windows-challenged. Then, of course, there's iPod. :)
Yanno, if Dell starts marketing Intel systems with Mac OS, I just might triple-boot one Windows, Mac OS and Linux just to see if I can do it. :)
109 • DEBIANPURE (by RobG on 2005-06-22 04:24:26 GMT from United States)
I installed Debianpure yesterday, and I'm mighty impressed! The ISO can be burned to a 600 MB CD which installs a Debian base system which can then be amplified by downloading your choices of additional modules from the net. Of course, it can then be further customized with apt-get (or synaptic) installs from the Debian testing repositories.
I only installed the desktop environment in addition to the base; the total install came to 2 GB and took about 30 min. You get a lot with that! You get both Gnome and KDE 3.3.2, and you can easily switch between the two by logging out and then logging in again. You can also easily run most of the KDE programs from within Gnome and many of the Gnome programs from within KDE.
The new Debian sarge installer is excellent, and the install is pretty easy and straightforward. You just have to know a little about disk partitioning and boot loaders and possibly about configuring the X server. In my case, the installer didn't recognize my monitor properly, and I chose to go the route of assembling my own xserver-xfree86 config file, following the prompts of an installer routine provided for that purpose (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86). That was pretty easy, and it gave me the perfect video config. So, basically no problems installing Debianpure.
I've been using Xandros for a year, along with other distros, and have increasingly felt an itch to move to a pure Debian system but dreaded all the work that I would have had to put into making that change. Debianpure is the perfect solution for getting a solid and rounded base install of Debian without any pain. I can customize and expand this now to my heart's content, and I have total control over how I build my Debian system.
The Debianpure install is fast, responsive and stable, and it provides most everything you'd want. What's not there can be installed swiftly with Synaptic which is a fantastic piece of software, much better than Xandros Networks.
I hope Ladislav will consider Debianpure to be a separate distro, along the lines of Mepis and Kanotix (which are essentially nicely packaged 100% Debian distros) so that it remains a distinct entity on the Distrowatch hit list. If he does so, I wouldn't be surprised if Debianpure quickly rises on the hit list. There are a lot of people who prefer Debian over the other major distros and who would like to run a pure Debian system rather than a tweaked Debian distro such as Xandros or Ubuntu. Debianpure fits that bill perfectly. It's a ridiculously easy way of getting pure Debian.
Robert
110 • Hype and FUD (by wouter on 2005-06-22 05:26:52 GMT from Belgium)
Sometimes, when I'm bored, I like to throw a proverbial bomb or provoke people a bit. Many people like to do this, and certainly Theo is a prime example of one of these people.
I've run and am running Linux and OpenBSD, amongst other open-source systems. First of all, there is no one GNU/Linux. There are many GNU/Linuxes, with different kernels and software. Hardware support is better, probably because name recognition is too, so more people and companies respectively use and want to support it. Most BSDs have just one distribution. BSDs are therefore a bit more uniform.
And that's how far the difference goes, in my opinion.
The BSDs deserve as much attention as Linux; it just so happens that Linux got lucky. But opensource software is opensource software, and we all benefit from each others code. You can start discussions about fame or usage, or compare more rapid development versus slower and more stable ways, or lay kernel internals side by side, or focus on code stability. It all doesn't tell us much about the bigger picture and definitely matters relatively little.
Choose wisely based on needs amongst all the Linux and BSD distributions. Plain stubborn personal preference wins every time anyway, hopefully assisted by some facts and experience.
And well... ignore the monkey pissing contest.
111 • OpenSolaris (by John on 2005-06-22 06:49:26 GMT from United States)
Hey Sun finally lived up to their promise!
Ladislav, you should add OpenSolaris as a new distribution. I will no doubt become very popular, because it is so incredibly stable.
Also, you might want to add Shillix, the first OpenSolaris based live cd.. I'm sure the first of many more to come.
Have fun!
112 • @Ladislav (by Max on 2005-06-22 16:27:21 GMT from Australia)
Ladislav, how much work/effort do you put in every week to make this website happen?
It must be pretty hard to keep updating all these things all the time, getting the weekly newletter done etc...
I wonder if the people who visit this website realise this
Keep up the good work, you are a legend mate :)
PS: Do you accept donations? If you don't you should... :)
113 • Why? (by D on 2005-06-22 16:29:15 GMT from United States)
John, why will you become popular because OpenSolaris is stable?
:-)
114 • Lycoris (by gabbman at 2005-06-22 17:57:58 GMT from Canada)
Brutally honest summary ot the history of Lycoris.
Sad way to end any endeavor.
Good luck to Joe on his new venture.
115 • BSD vs. Linux (by Tom Trent on 2005-06-22 18:26:02 GMT from United States)
Some of you guys should check out the BSD newsgroups. The attitude of BSD people toward Linux can be compared to Pope Innocent III's attitude toward the Cathars in southern France. Linux is heresy, pure and simple, Linux is the OS of kiddie crackers, Linux is for those who lack the intelligence to use BSD, etc...
I remember a time when the early adaptors of Linux were often harsh and condescending, but when every intelligent question is answered with "man xxx..."
116 • distrowatch.com is BACK! (by henry on 2005-06-22 20:45:56 GMT from United Kingdom)
you guys seem to have gone up about 40 gears. extremely lucid way to read current affairs, activism (against get the fud), and good stories, with a top notch screen of lycoris. my confidence in distrowatch and linux as a whole has been further increased!
117 • Jeff merkey files suit against the world (by spread the joy on 2005-06-22 21:44:53 GMT from United States)
Merkey filed his complaint
The case is 2:05-cv-00521-DAK
scofacts.org/Merkey-Perens-1.pdf
scofacts.org/Merkey-Perens-1_1.pdf
scofacts.org/Oklevueha-1.pdf
scofacts.org/Oklevueha-2.pdf
CLUE: an email killfile is not a threat to anything but SPAM.
118 • Why The (by Robzilla on 2005-06-23 05:29:37 GMT from United States)
As for the guy going to Microsoft too bad for Gentoo. Never used Gentoo but I know it is an excellent system.
You know in life the only thing constant is change. Why get so worked up because the guy is choosing to work for evil. It is his choice and as much as I hate Microsoft we can not understand the reasoning behind his choice. Maybe Windows will actually become a good product.
No matter though. Not only the fact that Windows has so many flaws but the fact that it is so expensive and has so many flaws drives people away from it. As long as Microsoft is around they will never give anything away free and even with the new guy I have a feeling it nwill always be crap. I hope he has a good run at M$ and think people should be a little more tolerant.
As for the BSD-Linux war??? What war? Linux is the most popular system period, there is no war but with the BSD people who wish their OS systems were as popular. It is really sad the people who critisize from within the open-source community just don't get it. We are all using an operating system that very few people use let alone know about. What possible good can come from bickering with one-another? It only furthers the causes of Microsoft and Apple and their claims about the open source community. Keep your war to yourself, no one else cares but you and if you want to critisize fine but offer constructive critisism or a solution to the problem as you see it not just pointing out the problems. Sure Linux is fragmented and needs a rallying point and would benifit by a unifying of standards, packages, etc. I have never used a BSD system. I am sure they are great. I have seen a lot of Linux software running on BSD OS systems? Also as I see it the whole point of a computer is who well it works and how easy it is to use. My favorite software, anything really is something that I can learn through using it. I do not want to read a phone book just to understand how to use something. I do not want to spend hours setting it up or hours researching how to set it up. That defeats the whole reason I am using the computer. I like performace and optimization but lets get it up and running and then tweak it from there. The reason I have no experience with BSD is because I could not install it. I am not am expert nor am I an idiot. I would love to try it but ease of use and package availability and software is simply stunning in Linux and keeps getting better and better. Stability and security is also excellent in Linux. When BSD becomes an easier transition from Windows then maybe more people will migrate to it because of the advantages it does have. Until then I and a growing number of people will use LInux and pick the system we like best because we have the ability to choose!
Linux is great and I do not recall asking anyone else why I shoudn't like it.
Relax we only have a few percent of the computer user market including Linux, BSD, and whatever else is out there so I don't think there are too many people listening to why BSD or Linux is better when they don't even know it exists??
Robzilla
119 • debianpure not available again! (by Welkiner on 2005-06-23 07:44:57 GMT from United States)
Debianpure website has posted notice that the files on ibiblio have been corupted and says try again tonight.....
BTW, Has anyone tried to install Gnoppix 1.0.1 to HD?
120 • Gnome Desktop (by Welkiner on 2005-06-24 07:15:19 GMT from United States)
For the last 12 years I have been preaching to the non-believers that the Linux Desktop is just around the corner...6 months, or maby a year, at the most.
Each year I bought the latest and the greatest windoze killer only to be disapointed.
...then about 6 or 8 months ago I discovered Mepis and Kanotix. The Desktop had finally arived. I can hand a CD to a customer or a friend and talk them through a multiboot install on the telephone. Fast install, easy setup, good hardware detection, stable, above average initial application mix, up-to-date(if not cutting edge), what more could anyone ask for?
How about the Gonome Desktop?
Why can't someone put together a distro like Mepis and Kanotix with the Gnome Desktop?
I mention Mepis and Kanotix because of the ease of the hard drive install and the quality of the Debian system after the install. Although Knoppix, in my opinion is the best LiveCD, it is not the best for hard drive install. I'm not looking for a Demo or a tool, I'm looking for a quality distro with a quick and easy (automated) install that noobys can and will use...
with Gnome..
Please don't tell me to just Apt-get Gnome. That violates the quick and easy part for noobys.
BeatrIX and Gnoppix work great as LiveCDs, but leave much to be desired as installed or easily installable distros. Ubuntu is not quick or easy when compared to Mepis and Kanotix as the bench mark, also I prefer pure Debian, if I'm going to do a major install.
Speaking of pure Debian, Debianpure is a great idea, quick or easy when compared to a coventional Debian install, but not when compared to the above benchmark. I downloaded Debianpure yesterday and tried an install, but half way through the install it dropped into a shell with lots of info about how to use the editor and no info about what to edit. Apparently something needed editing because the install failed at that point.
Back to Gnome...Does anyone know of a Debian based Gnome distro with a fast easy stable hard drive install?
...or am I the only one who thinks this is needed...
wb
121 • RE:Gnome Desktop (by Robzilla-L.A. on 2005-06-24 18:10:21 GMT from United States)
Why would you want to improve on Mepis. It is one of the easiest, most stable, and in my opinion best Windows alternative for Newbs ever! You simply can't get better.
Also if they want an easy install that may take more than just one live cd I would suggest Fedora core 4. Very easy to install and set up and the default desktop is Gnome! The anaconda installer is pretty easy.
If you have tohave just one disk there is also Vidalinux. One cd and a defualt Gnome desktop with the power of Gentoo.
good Luck,
Robzilla
122 • • RE:Gnome Desktop (by Robzilla-L.A. (by Welkiner on 2005-06-25 06:37:56 GMT from United States)
Thanks for your suggestion, but neither of these are Debian bassed.
...Does anyone know of a Debian based Gnome distro with a fast easy stable hard drive install?
Thanks
wb
123 • Lycoris, BSD, and Job (by John on 2005-06-25 07:06:01 GMT from United States)
Lycoris was my first non-bloated Linux I used. Untill the shipping mess I had hoped it would turn. I will miss it for sure. Now maybe Mandrake will get a real GUI for its distro ;-)
I never could get ANY BSD o install to a workable system. So whats the big deal? Just like Ubuntu, the 5 release could not find my modem, freaked out on my video settings, etc. So what? Just move on to the next one and when you find "the one", support it!
Maybe thats why we lost a great talent to M$. And anyone who thinks that M$ will be "end-light-end" by this is wrong. M$ is just a big money making machine that has no cares except to wipe out everone else. Read the papers........
This is what I think, and untill my country says otherwise, I can still say it!
124 • Summary of expected upcoming releases (by Tom on 2005-06-25 11:34:11 GMT from Germany)
Hi, Ladislav!
"2005-09-XX: NetBSD 1.6.3" - Should this not reflect to OpenBSD ?
In spite of this, greate job, thanks!
125 • Re: Gnome Desktop (by Ariszló on 2005-06-27 05:51:33 GMT from Hungary)
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| • Issue 796 (2019-01-07): FreeBSD 12.0, Peppermint releases ISO update, picking the best distro of 2018, roundtable interview with Debian, Fedora and elementary developers |
| • Issue 795 (2018-12-24): Running a Pinebook, interview with Bedrock founder, Alpine being ported to RISC-V, Librem 5 dev-kits shipped |
| • Issue 794 (2018-12-17): Void 20181111, avoiding software bloat, improvements to HAMMER2, getting application overview in GNOME Shell |
| • Issue 793 (2018-12-10): openSUSE Tumbleweed, finding non-free packages, Debian migrates to usrmerge, Hyperbola gets FSF approval |
| • Issue 792 (2018-1203): GhostBSD 18.10, when to use swap space, DragonFly BSD's wireless support, Fedora planning to pause development schedule |
| • Issue 791 (2018-11-26): Haiku R1 Beta1, default passwords on live media, Slax and Kodachi update their media, dual booting DragonFly BSD on EFI |
| • Issue 790 (2018-11-19): NetBSD 8.0, Bash tips and short-cuts, Fedora's networking benchmarked with FreeBSD, Ubuntu 18.04 to get ten years of support |
| • Issue 789 (2018-11-12): Fedora 29 Workstation and Silverblue, Haiku recovering from server outage, Fedora turns 15, Debian publishes updated media |
| • Issue 788 (2018-11-05): Clu Linux Live 6.0, examining RAM consumpion, finding support for older CPUs, more Steam support for running Windows games on Linux, update from Solus team |
| • Issue 787 (2018-10-29): Lubuntu 18.10, limiting application access to specific users, Haiku hardware compatibility list, IBM purchasing Red Hat |
| • Issue 786 (2018-10-22): elementary OS 5.0, why init keeps running, DragonFly BSD enables virtual machine memory resizing, KDE neon plans to drop older base |
| • Issue 785 (2018-10-15): Reborn OS 2018.09, Nitrux 1.0.15, swapping hard drives between computers, feren OS tries KDE spin, power savings coming to Linux |
| • Issue 784 (2018-10-08): Hamara 2.1, improving manual pages, UBports gets VoIP app, Fedora testing power saving feature |
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