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1 • Print (by war on 2005-06-13 12:52:11 GMT from United States)
Any chance for a print friendly version of Distrowatch? :)
2 • Mac OS (by just john on 2005-06-13 12:56:21 GMT from United States)
I still use Mac OS9 at home, and I decided if I was gonna have to change operating systems anyway when I moved to new hardware, I'd try Linux instead of OSX.
But with this processor move, I have to suspect that OSX will become seen as just another distro, albeit one with more corporate support than average.
Also, I imagine this will wind up making Linux distros for future Apple hardware even easier.
3 • Package List (by Anonymous on 2005-06-13 13:05:04 GMT from Germany)
Why doesn't the new package list include Kontact? I was mentioned/wished by several people.
4 • Why doesn't the new package list include Kontact? (by ladislav on 2005-06-13 13:09:19 GMT from Taiwan)
Because Kontact is part of kdepim, which would make it difficult to track in those distributions that do not split KDE packages into smaller parts.
I should have mentioned it in the newsletter; maybe I'll add it quickly.
5 • new releases (by mark on 2005-06-13 13:11:25 GMT from United States)
What you say is true the summer will be slow for new releases
But I will be watching the fedora project to see if the strings are cut
I have been happy with suse9.3 except for the missteps with mp3-mpg
With those cured its been very good to me But I guess I miss the new
installs and I used to run fedora but felt that it wasnt quite right
(selinux and bugs that shouldnt be there) I would like to see
a HowTo on using search tools inside linux beagle is not ready
and alittle more then I want
6 • EU has lost to Microsoft..... (by Scott Wilson on 2005-06-13 13:47:33 GMT from United States)
I know this is off the subjects, but I like to listen to radio and watch TV from europe, while sitting in front of my PC playing around with Linux.
Last week, Microsoft started to ship Windows with the media player not included. I thought "yea a small victory..." Only to find that almost all of the streaming media on the sites I have visted are now using windows media, gone are the mp3 or real formats. At Times I feel like we are beating or heads against the wall.
7 • On subject... (by Scott Wilson on 2005-06-13 13:53:24 GMT from United States)
The last post was kind of a bummer. I am currenlty downloading Fedora 4.
Just to check it out, I really have grown to dislike Red Hat, but hey this is suppose to be independant now.
I really have grown to love Debian, I use Sarge (upgraded from Woody). Apt get dist upgrade worked great. I use knoppix at work to help repair broken window machines. and I run Ubuntu on my StinkPad 600e. So I guess Iam a Debian convert!
8 • Man, that had to hurt (by AQ on 2005-06-13 14:11:18 GMT from United States)
The Apple issue has been interesting for me to think about. I don't know if many of you remember, but a few months ago Linus switched his main kernel development computer to a PowerPC based Mac because it was donated to him and he wanted to add some better testing for the ppc architecture.
Of course now we know that Steve Jobs is switching from the ppc to the intel x86. It is interesting that none of the wonky anti-linux pundits noted this. I suppose all we need now is for Bill Gates to make a very public pronouncement that he's moving from Intel to AMD, and then maybe we could have some sort of game of musical chairs completed.
And I must comment on what the small minded anti-linux pundits actually concocted for this week... that Apple's move to Intel hurt Linux and Linux users the most... ha ha ha... I'm still laughing over that one.
Yes, please, I need not only closed proprietary software... I also need to compound that with closed single vendor monopolist proprietary hardware!!!
Could you please include some proprietary and patented file formats with that pile of crap while you're at it? Oh you can, thank you.
In their wild dramatizations designed to send traffic to their sites, they missed writing about the true losers in this deal, the individuals that have been claiming for years to their friends and neighbors that the PowerPC was superior in every way to the faulty and insecure X86.
Man, that had to hurt.
9 • SUSE 9.3 Personal DVD (by Anonymous on 2005-06-13 15:19:45 GMT from Germany)
Current issue of German computer technology magazine c't includes a double-sided DVD where one side (the other contains applications for Win, Mac and Linux) contains "SUSE 9.3 Personal" in Live-CD, 32bit and 64bit installation format.
10 • USB thumbdrive or External Storage icon when plugged in (by TechAVew on 2005-06-13 15:33:01 GMT from Singapore)
Guys, sidetrack a bit. Can anyone point to me which distro's desktop will appear with an icon when an external storage is plugged in? I have been trying with Fedora Core 3 logging into KDE but to no avail. Perhap there is a way, someone show me pls?
11 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-06-13 15:59:50 GMT from Denmark)
snøfix and snappix is crosslinked
12 • Fedora Core 3 (by AQ on 2005-06-13 16:10:05 GMT from United States)
I've ran with Gnome and found that I have to plug peripherals like a digital camera into the usb ports in the back of my system which are directly on the motherboard.
The USB connections on the front of my system are not recognized natively by Linux on my system and I'd have to run Nvidia's buggy Linux motherboard driver to make it work. I keep my computer on a cart next to my desk so that I can roll it out and make the change easily.
Hopefully someday Nvidia will be compelled to open its hardware so that all of my connections will be recognized in the future.
So, all I can suggest is to try a different port (assuming it was a usb device).
13 • Apple and Linux (by henriquemaia on 2005-06-13 16:11:27 GMT from Portugal)
I changed to Linux because of license fees. That will still maintain when OSX comes to X86.
In the end, I believe that this move will be good for Linux in that will push development on other directions.
14 • USB thumbdrive (by UbuWu on 2005-06-13 16:15:39 GMT from Netherlands)
TechAVew: try ubuntu, it worked for every usb drive I have tried so far.
15 • Apple (by Mika on 2005-06-13 16:21:31 GMT from Italy)
Microsoft own part of Apple quotes.....
Am I wrong??
cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!
16 • re: USB thumbdrive or External Storage icon (by utabintarbo at 2005-06-13 16:33:21 GMT from United States)
I know the older versions of Knoppix had this. I am unsure of the newer (>3.6)....
17 • About the icon (by AQ on 2005-06-13 16:41:48 GMT from United States)
I forgot to mention that the USB icon does appear on my screen when I plug it into the back of my system. I then double click on it and have complete access to that device.
18 • Ubuntu - Add-On-CD - broken link for almost 2 wks now (by John Coombes on 2005-06-13 16:56:27 GMT from Australia)
I am writing here as my efforts to "do the right thing" came to no avail and the email I sent to report this just bonced back - from the following
EG: Contact, corrections and suggestions: Ladislav Bodnar.
IE: here :- distro@distrowatch.com
This is your problem not mine :-(
Anyhow - If any one takes the bother to go to the Distrowatch UBUNTU page
Go here - Related Web Sites -> Add-On CD
all you get now is = UbuntuGuide Add-On-CD is discontinued
TAKE NOTE:- It has been like this for at least about 2 weeks now
NB: I first noticed the Add-On-CD vanish on the http://linuxtracker.org
where it was being seeded AND at also at http://ubuntuguide.org
A broken Link is worse than not having a Link (same goes for your Email)
Happy days
19 • USB thumbdrive (by Fred on 2005-06-13 16:58:18 GMT from United States)
I just tried it yesterday with Kanotix and it worked. I would assume the other Knoppix derivitaves would also work.
20 • Streaming media (by William Roddy on 2005-06-13 17:25:21 GMT from United States)
Linux is superior to Microsoft in every way. But, as a previous poster said, streaming media is a problem, not because of Linux's ability to handle it, but because the Microsoft monopoly has, as an offshoot, created a situation in which most site require Windows Media Player.
Every time I do a Linux installation, the two things that take me the longest are 1. getting ndiswrapper installed and working for my wlan card, and 2. getting streaming media working.
Streaming media is important to me. So I have to add a repository to Debian, or find a set of RPMS for Red Hat/Fedora, and use a proprietary media player (RealPlayer10, because HelixPlayer isn't there yet), and thus, compromise, simply because Microsoft is a monopoly.
To my mind, those proprietary drivers and streaming media are two of the most significant issues that befuddle the "average" person if they try Linux.
Hardware recognition is no longer a problem. In my experience, after a recent re-install of Windows for another person (along with Linux), I found Linux recognized more hardware than Windows, hands down.
As to the issue of changing from Linux, I will never. The cost of Macs and Mac software is staggering. Their hardware recognition is minimal.
Windows has been proven by courts to be engaged in criminal activities to achieve their success. And I, for one, will not do business with outlaws.
I don't know which Linux flavor will be on my computer next, but I know it will be Linux. And I know I will take every opportunity I can find to let people know how great it is.
Allow me to also add thanks to all of those of you who expressed concern about my health and my recent operation. I can report now that it was, for the most part, a success, and that I might now have more time to play with Linux. Your good wishes were a tremendous help to me.
William Roddy
21 • SpamAssassin Redux (by John Coombes on 2005-06-13 17:34:11 GMT from Australia)
Much better solution for many end users is to move to an ISP that automatically gives you FREE Spam Filtering (EG: blocks the spam before you download it) Also many ISP's also offer Virus Filtering as well.
For Examples I can only point you to http://bc.whirlpool.net.au (as I am in AU) and apart from the two biggest ISP's (EG: the rip-off ISP's of Telstra/Bigpond and Optus) you will find that many other ISP's in Australia offer Spam and Virus filtering for Free.
You will most likely find a similar situation in your country ?
I have repeatedly said in many places that Spam filtering AFTER you download is rather self defeating and waste full - but it all ways seems to fall on deaf ears :-(
NB: please no arguments about emails that are negative-posertive being deleted be the ISP - most of these ISP's have a HOLD mechinisam where you can login to your Email server by WEB-MAIL and set it up not to filter things you know you want to get - add a friends list (includes mailing lists) or just release and wrongly held email so you can get it with your normal email client.
Again I say there is a better way for ordinary people than having to do it your self on your own machine - all be it - by having to select a decent ISP
BTW - The ISP I use in Australia = INTERNODE
22 • Re: Apple (by Mika on 2005-06-13 16:21:31 GMT from Italy) (by JustMe on 2005-06-13 17:44:36 GMT from United States)
Microsoft own part of Apple quotes.....
Am I wrong??
cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MS no longer holds Apple shares. MS bought these shares to prop up Apple for a period of time.
23 • SpamAssassin Redux (by John Coombes on 2005-06-13 17:47:00 GMT from Australia)
NOTE:
For those of you running your own mail server on your own machine - IGNORE ALL THE ABOVE - you will probably need SpamAssassin Redux
For other ordinary users who do not run a mail server - the comments stand
Happy Days
24 • enlightenment... (by Anonymous on 2005-06-13 17:51:08 GMT from United States)
it's nice to see that enlightenment is on the tracking list! e17 is shaping up to be pretty nice!
25 • SpamAssassin Redux (by John Coombes on 2005-06-13 18:00:31 GMT from Australia)
CORRECTION - the Australian ISP of Optus does offer Free Spam filtering
26 • USB scripts (by PastorEd on 2005-06-13 18:03:07 GMT from United States)
TechAVew, you asked:
[quote]Can anyone point to me which distro's desktop will appear with an icon when an external storage is plugged in?[/quote]
Tech, surf on over to http://www.vectorlinux.com/forum and do a search of the forums there. I remember reading a script that they've developed that does just what you're mentioning. And I'm pretty sure that the text of the script itself is spelled out IN the forums. If you can't find it after searching, you could just ask as well.
G.B.Y.L.B.T.,
PastorEd
27 • Sid... the only boy in the world (by Kreg on 2005-06-13 18:06:54 GMT from United States)
"The unstable branch is allways called "sid" - named after the only human character in the cartoon movie"
There were other humans... Andy- The boy who owned buzz and woody
Sids sister- the one with the broken dolls
and andys mom
"an "unstable" boy who had a tendency to break his toys."
He had a "tendency" to break toys like Jeffery Dalmer had a "tendency" to hurt people. Sid was a maniac... I broken my fair share of my sisters barbies and melted a few plastic soldiers in my youth, but sid torture those poor toys like a Nazi Scientist. (maybe a good thing to think about next time you want to run unstable.. hehe)
Just wanted to chime in
28 • RE:To Mac OS or not to Mac OS (by Warpengi on 2005-06-13 19:02:50 GMT from Canada)
Once again Ladislav you have summed up the position of the Linux community in a nutshell. Well said.
Re:
Man, that had to hurt (by AQ on 2005-06-13 14:11:18 GMT from United States)
I don't know if I am just a bit hysterical today or what but that had me howling. Thanks for the humour:~)
29 • USB Thumbdrives (by KurtVon on 2005-06-13 19:16:11 GMT from United States)
In my experience, almost every distro handles thumb drives out of the box. There are only a few that handle badly formatted thumbdrives, though (Windows does, which is why so many manufacturers sell them misformatted.)
The problem is when the thumb drive has no partition (like a floppy disk). Use fdisk, confirm the partition table is corrupt, then fix it so there is a single FAT32 partition. Format it as FAT32 and it should autodetect under Linux fine.
I've done this with a dozen thumb drives and every one has worked fine afterwards.
30 • The links for Snøfrix and SNAPPIX is wrong (by ChenLi Tien on 2005-06-13 19:26:14 GMT from Canada)
Please swap the links for these 2 distros. Thanks.
31 • debian sid (by anon on 2005-06-13 19:51:08 GMT from Switzerland)
I thought sid also means "still in developement"
32 • Donation ? (by Marc on 2005-06-13 20:39:32 GMT from Canada)
Thank's for DWW. Again all the news we need.
But what about this week donation ?
Did i miss something ?
I guess the reason why Apple choose Intel is
with PS3 on the go and IBM unable to give the
cell processor to other than Sony left them with
no choice. IBM does not have enough capacity
to give Apple another processor.
33 • Mac OS (by Tux5 on 2005-06-13 20:50:31 GMT from United States)
I run Yellow Dog Linux on an Apple ibook. For me this is a mix of the best hardware and the best OS. Don't get me wrong, I like Mac OS X but Linux lets me do so much more. For me this is having your cake and eating it! :-)
34 • LINUX ROCKS!!! (by mcg on 2005-06-13 21:55:22 GMT from Finland)
Linux Rocks and will always Rock!who cares about mac!are you kidding me?
35 • Missing/Broken Links (by Anonymous on 2005-06-13 22:00:46 GMT from United States)
I was unable to find the new SimplyMepis Lite on the Mirrors. The link just goes to the announcement and the mirror links are pointed to the regular version.
36 • RE: To Mac OS or not to Mac OS (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-13 22:15:59 GMT from Italy)
Ladislav
I couldn't agree more with your analysis.
I have been simply disgusted by the attempted brainwashing at some sites, trying to convince people that linux is moribund because Apple is switching to Intel.
I found OSNews to be one of the worst offenders.
Now I have found the authors of such article to be totally clueless (or dishonest)
The seem to have no idea of the many, true reasons why people use linux.
Just an example: try to convince third world countries which are putting linux on cheap hardware to buy Macs instead!
Or try to convince scientists and academics to replace linux, with all its advantages, with a Mac!
37 • Some very good news for linux (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-13 22:24:11 GMT from Italy)
So now it seems that Sony PS3 is coming with an optional(?) HD with linux installed.
I don't know why they are doing it (somebody said because that way they can sell them as computers rather than as playstations)
But can you imagine the potential outcome of linux on millions of cheap, powerful machines?
So much for linux being moribund!
38 • Quick question (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-13 22:26:44 GMT from Italy)
Does anybody know where "etch", the name of the new Debian testing branch, comes from?
39 • Mac OSX (by anony on 2005-06-13 22:54:46 GMT from Germany)
Well, I work with macs every day. Mac OSX and Mac OS 9.2. And both are unintuitive, buggy and a nightmare for professional work. I prefer Linux and will continue to run Linux distros on my ppc and i686 machines.
Oh... and why should I pay 140$ for a bsd operating system? Forget it, Apple. :P
40 • RE: Donation (by ladislav on 2005-06-13 23:27:06 GMT from Taiwan)
But what about this week donation?
Donations are awarded on a monthly basis, so the next donation will be given in early July.
41 • RE: Missing/Broken Links (by ladislav on 2005-06-13 23:28:55 GMT from Taiwan)
I was unable to find the new SimplyMepis Lite on the Mirrors.
That's because MEPISLite is a commercial product not available for free download.
42 • MEPISLite (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-14 00:30:13 GMT from Italy)
Slightly OT: Kanotix 2005-03 has also a lite edition, but it is free to download. A matter of choice from the developers, of course, but it puzzles me why Kanotix doesn't get better recognition. I am extremely choosy and I find it almost Linux Nirvana.
43 • @ AQ (by Max on 2005-06-14 00:41:01 GMT from Australia)
"Yes, please, I need not only closed proprietary software... I also need to compound that with closed single vendor monopolist proprietary hardware!!!
Could you please include some proprietary and patented file formats with that pile of crap while you're at it? Oh you can, thank you."
What can I say... Brilliant comment!!!
Steve Jobs is just a stubborn "look-at-me-i'm-so-different" loser. How in the world can he justify that a one-buttom mouse is any better? Maybe he never grew up and is still trying to impress mom... Who needs shiny transparent plastic mumbo jumbo hardware anyway? Steve jobs should be a hairdresser...
44 • LiveCD with Boot Floppy? (by ChiJoan on 2005-06-14 01:07:22 GMT from United States)
Hi Guys & Dolls,
Is there a newbie-friendly Linux LiveCD that comes with a boot floppy for older laptops? I couldn't find out if MepisLite includes one anywhere. Being behind a proxy I couldn't get my order to go through at their new vender's site.
I found a program at SourceForge (Smart Boot Manager) that I had hopes for, but the file I copied, the "exe" version wasn't recognized by the Gateway Solo 5300. I'll try Puppy next, but I'm not sure how newbie friendly it is.
With all the older laptops and low end PCs out there that don't boot off USB, it seems like something to add to the search engine. Or offer some choices to us in a similiar situation trying to install or demo Linux.
Thanks for a great site,
ChiJoan
45 • Re: LiveCD with Boot Floppy? (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-14 01:16:41 GMT from Italy)
I don't personally know the answer, but why not ask at the Kanotix forums? Kano is extremely helpful and seems to have an answer to every question.
46 • J.A.M.D. Linux, I miss you (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-14 02:11:09 GMT from Italy)
Fedora 4 is IMO a much more mature distro than its ancestor Red Hat 9.
Yet Jim Luchas had managed to make something very nice and much loved by modifying it: J.A.M.D. Linux: it is still perfectly usable in many recent machines.
Can you imagine what could be achieved by modifying Fedora 4?
Jim, from somebody who always admired your excellent work, if you read this, would you consider a comeback?
47 • RE: etch question (by kingfish600 on 2005-06-14 03:30:30 GMT from United States)
Etch is refering to the etch-a-sketch character in toy story. I know i've got a 4 year old had to watch it hundreds of times already. Hope there are plenty of charecters left, could you imagine Dorey from Finding Nemo as a debian distro release.
48 • Fluxbox vs GNOME & KDE (by kingfish600 on 2005-06-14 03:37:20 GMT from United States)
Every article i've read kinda lists GNOME&KDE as the leaders for linux desktops followed by many others and Fluxbox listed as lite. What do GNOME&KDE do that Fluxbox dosn't?
DSL looks very good with Fluxbox.
49 • Mac Mini (by Fritz on 2005-06-14 06:23:27 GMT from United States)
I can only find one putty knife. :-(
-> Fritz
50 • Re: Fluxbox vs GNOME & KDE (by Ariszló on 2005-06-14 06:49:21 GMT from Hungary)
KDE has nice gui tools to customize its menu and its apps are well integrated out of the box.
51 • Re: Quick Question (by Anonymous on 2005-06-14 10:56:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
'Etch' was the nickname the toys gave to the 'Etch-aSketch' in the Toy Story movie.
'Etch' drew the 'Chicken Man' in Toy story 2 that helped Buzz identify Woody's Kidnapper.
52 • Anonymous Penguin (by William Roddy on 2005-06-14 16:33:15 GMT from United States)
Anonymous Penguin:
"Or try to convince scientists and academics to replace linux, with all its advantages, with a Mac!"
That is an excellent point. Further, try to get them to replace free and open-source Linux with ANYTHING.
"Kanotix 2005-03 has also a lite edition, but it is free to download."
Thanks very much for that piece of information. Kano doesn't get enough praise.
" . . . it seems that Sony PS3 is coming with an optional(?) HD with linux installed."
Where can we learn more about this? I have 15 grandchildren.
53 • Playstation 3 (by EEDOK on 2005-06-14 19:04:42 GMT from Canada)
not sure how dww does links so
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html
[url]http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html[/url]
54 • UMMM... (by NobodyX on 2005-06-14 19:11:47 GMT from El Salvador)
May be...
Solaris goes open an x86...
Mac goes x86..
Longhorn is delayed again...
Linux is growing in x86..
BSD too...
Sounds like a big hurt to M$ Windoze, not to linux.
BUT!... if Windoze goes 64 bits...
will find Linux, BSD, Solaris already here. There is no way to go Mrs. Bill !
As I can see the x86 is the battle field and the more contendors the few monopoly is. (Forgive my redaction I speak spanish).
I think the Na$tyGiant is moribund and the contendors are stronger than ever. M$ will die not by the Linux hand... will die by his own hand... a criminal hand!
IC
55 • Opening Day for the OpenSolaris project (by Ariszló on 2005-06-14 21:06:59 GMT from Hungary)
http://www.opensolaris.org/
56 • Re: LiveCD with Boot Floppy? (by sphen on 2005-06-14 22:26:36 GMT from United Kingdom)
Smart Boot Manager is free and can be used as a boot floppy to boot virtually anything bootable! It can be found at http://btmgr.webframe.org/
57 • Re: LiveCD with Boot Floppy? (by sphen on 2005-06-14 22:37:48 GMT from United Kingdom)
Sorry - should have added this link. A succinct how-to http://www.mepis.org/node/2133
58 • William Roddy (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-15 00:33:12 GMT from Italy)
>>"Kanotix 2005-03 has also a lite edition, but it is free to download."
Thanks very much for that piece of information. Kano doesn't get enough praise.<<
Thanks. Of course I agree :)
>>" . . . it seems that Sony PS3 is coming with an optional(?) HD with linux installed."
Where can we learn more about this? I have 15 grandchildren.<<
Congratulations on your 15 grandchildren :)
I first read an article linked at OSNews, but soon it was available in many other sites.
See for instance:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html
59 • Gentoo Founder working for Microsoft? (by Ed Borasky on 2005-06-15 02:59:30 GMT from United States)
According to another web publisher (name withheld -- Google for it) Daniel Robbins, founder of Gentoo, is moving to Redmond Washington USA to work with/for Microsoft. So ... is this "Portage bails out DLL Hell"?
60 • The outlaw named Microsoft (by William Roddy on 2005-06-15 04:14:05 GMT from United States)
Thanks, Anonymous Penguin, once again, for the info.
I read today that half the people who own Windows in the work environment are still using Windows 2000. If, at this late date, Windows XP only has a 50 percent penetration, the OS is in trouble, all by itself and is, as every totalitarian system, most vulnerable inside its own kingdom.
Want to know how to double the number of *nix and BSD users? Every current user install a system on the computers of two other people this year.
Impractical, say the new folks? Well, all the *nix and BSD experienced users, which should be about half of us, install a system on four computers this year. One new system each quarter-year. That's all. Maybe four hours' work. Or eight, if you do all the bells-and-whistles for them and do a little hand-holding (pick all cute girls, if you're a guy, or cute guys, if you're a girl.)
How's that for a simple plan? Next years, the crooks will have a few less users and "open computing" will have twice as many.
William Roddy
61 • Mandrake+Conectiva+Lycoris=Mandrycoriva? (by jeje on 2005-06-15 18:55:36 GMT from United Kingdom)
Mandriva acquires Lycoris
An interview with Joseph Cheek (Lycoris):
http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT6895874832.html
Press release (Mandrakesoft):
http://www.mandriva.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/corporate/2556
62 • RE: Mac OS (by fahlman on 2005-06-15 22:52:06 GMT from United States)
Linux is great, free, stable and did I say free? But, tux5, what is it that linux allows you to do that Mac OS X doesn't. It's a BSD. It has an X11 implantation, most linux source can be built, the web core of the web browser, Safari, is open source. Apple uses open source and submits code back to the community. I'm not not bashing Linux. I use it myself. So why are you to bash Apple and OS X?
63 • I can't spell (by fahlman on 2005-06-15 22:55:59 GMT from United States)
So I can't spell. You know, it includes X11.
64 • fahlman (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-16 01:49:09 GMT from Italy)
"So why are you to bash Apple and OS X?"
No we are not. We are just very annoyed because of the (many) articles we read of late telling us how MacIntel is going to kill Linux.
65 • Amen (by William Roddy on 2005-06-16 03:28:17 GMT from United States)
I second Anonymous Penguin's emotion.
66 • Mandrycoriva? (by NobodyX on 2005-06-16 07:03:40 GMT from El Salvador)
Mandrycoriva... No, Maybe.... Mandrycoris... or Mandryvoris or Mand-the-hell... I dont know, but looks ugly to merge the three names.
Why the hell they change the well Mandrake name?
Damn I like Mandrake, not "Mandryxxxx"
Whatever
67 • Fedora Core 4 (by Robzilla-L.A. on 2005-06-16 16:20:10 GMT from United States)
I just installed Fedora Core 4 on my Sony Laptop. I am very impressed with this distrobution. Very polished. Smooth and refined. Seems faster to boot than previous versions. Overall I am very happy with it.
I do have a couple of questions that someone here may hopefully have answers to. First I installed the system with KDE and the default desktop is Gnome. I do not have enough experience with Fedora and I do not know how to switch to the KDE desktop? Any Ideas? Also as I have found with all Linux distros the dvd is de-activated. I got rpm versions of libdvdcss and w32codecs but still no dice. How do I install new packages? Tryed yum with no luck.
As for Linux and Mac. Well the future is only going to be brite for both. I really hope that apple has the sense and smarts to recognize that it should make the OS 10 for Intel chips to run on any Intel chip or computer not just ones specifically designed by Apple. I have heard that Apple is working with Intel to make the OS and the intel chips only work with Apple designed computers using the intel chips. In other words I could not install OS 10 on my Sony laptop. I would still have to go out and buy an apple??!! I hope this is wrong. If apple were to make their OS run on any intel based computer then they could truly compete with Microsoft. With all of the security problems and spyware, virus, malware that is out there I think a lot of people would try OS 10 and possibly switch. I mean by the time you add up the cost of all of the addition software you have to buy to protect your computer and then the cost of time and information involved with a breach of security a switch to Apple may be cheap in comparison. OS 10 is only like $120. Apple would possible loose some of their core fans but I think pushing people away from Microsoft is a good thing. Its not like apple would loose money. Think how much apple based software they could sell.
As for Linux it just keeps getting better. Faster, more stable, more software, better hardware recognition. Soon the wireless problems with the proprietary software drivers will be solved. If you take Linux head to head with Apple it wins in speed and stability. Windows is fast but not much faster than Linux and in some cases slower. Linux is super secure and all of the software you ever needed is out there and it is free!!!! Not only is it free but it usually works better than the expensive proprietary software! For a home desktop computer I think Linux is the best choice out there. For a laptop then Windows seems to have a momentary edge. Not because it is better but because the nature of wireless technology. Apple is still better than windows for a number of reasons but it does lack speed. Maybe when the new intel chips come on board that will be improved but the microkernel Apple uses may be a problem(depending on who you talk to).
For my money or lack there of you just can't beat Linux. When the bugs get worked out of the wireless issues with certain software drivers and seriously good companies within Linux are able to market and position themselves by charging a small fee for their work then I see Linux continuing its growth. No Linux is not going to replace Windows or Apple for that matter but it is not going away and will continue a steady growth.
Robzilla
68 • Microsoft gets hacked (by William Roddy on 2005-06-16 16:20:19 GMT from United States)
"Blue Hat" summit meant to reveal ways of the other side
By Ina Fried
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
June 15, 2005 4:00AM PDT
REDMOND, Wash.--The random chatter of several hundred Microsoft engineers filled the cavernous executive briefing center recently at the company's sprawling campus outside Seattle.
Within minutes after their meeting was convened, however, the hall became hushed. Hackers had successfully lured a Windows laptop onto a malicious wireless network.
"It was just silent," said Stephen Toulouse, a program manager in Microsoft's security unit. "You couldn't hear anybody breathe."
(remainder of the article on CNET News)
LOL
69 • Robzilla (by William Roddy on 2005-06-16 17:07:40 GMT from United States)
Changing to KDE in Fedora (and many others):
When you get to the login screen where you put your user name and password, before you log in, go to the bottom and chose SESSION, which will bring up a menu. Click the radio button next to KDE. Log in.
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Installing RPMs in Red Hat/Fedora:
Open a terminal.
Become root [(su (enter) password (enter)]
Type the following:
rpm -Uvh(space)
Then drag-and drop the chosen RPM from your home directory, onto the terminal. It will paste to the terminal line the complete path and title of the RPM correctly, without typos.
Hit enter.
The rpm will install.
Important: no file or folder in the process should have any blank spaces (i.e. "nice folder" should be "nice-folder" "nicefolder" "nice_folder" etc.)
You also might want to check the permissions on the RPM. Some won't install unless they are executable.
There are probably other ways, better ways, but that's the way I figured out to do it. Hope it helps.
70 • Int-pple or App-tel? (by Gryyphyn on 2005-06-16 19:31:59 GMT from United States)
Given the current market share of Intel and the recent departure of IBM from the processor market this event should have been at least somewhat forseeable. However, given also the lack of communication on the part of Apple, It's easy to see that apple really didn't want anyone to know anything, as usual. I don't see any pirating of OSX becoming more prevalent, but I do see developing for the Apple in Linux becoming easier.
I think that one of the biggest problems with programming in Apple world as a Linux user is the fact that the arcitecture doesn't allow programming in the typical fashion that we are used to. No, the arcitecture does not have a whole lot of effect on highly abstracted programming languages, but with the capability for open-source programmers to program in Microsoft's .NET profiles now, and Apple adopting the protocol, I don't see Linux dying. In fact, I see a new Linux distro coming: A distro for Macs designed by Linux users coding in Microsoft's .NET profile. Never before has there been such an opportunity for software designers from all three worlds to be at least reading from the same book.
If anyone agrees or disagrees and doesn't just want to flame me, send email to:
gryyphyn@gmail.com
All non-serious emails will be discarded and all flames will have gas thrown back at them.
71 • Robzilla (by William Roddy on 2005-06-16 19:32:05 GMT from United States)
Changing to KDE in Fedora (and many others):
When you get to the login screen where you put your user name and password, before you log in, go to the bottom and chose SESSION, which will bring up a menu. Click the radio button next to KDE. Log in.
--
Installing RPMs in Red Hat/Fedora:
Open a terminal.
Become root [(su (enter) password (enter)]
Type the following:
rpm -Uvh(space)
Then drag-and drop the chosen RPM from your home directory, onto the terminal. It will paste to the terminal line the complete path and title of the RPM correctly, without typos.
Hit enter.
The rpm will install.
Important: no file or folder in the process should have any blank spaces (i.e. "nice folder" should be "nice-folder" "nicefolder" "nice_folder" etc.)
You also might want to check the permissions on the RPM. Some won't install unless they are executable.
There are probably other ways, better ways, but that's the way I figured out to do it. Hope it helps.
72 • linux site (by james on 2005-06-16 22:32:22 GMT from United States)
this site is cool you should show it in the next weekly
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it home made by some one but it's good they say your good too .
73 • Fedora Core 4 (by Robzilla-L.A. on 2005-06-17 16:07:58 GMT from United States)
William,
Thanks for the tips!! They were very helpful. I am having another problem maybe you can help me with. My problem is getting new packages. I have gotten the yum extender and it has a nice graphical user interface for updating. Works great but there is no way to get a new package. I am suppossed to be able to get around 1000 packages from the extras list but I can't access it. The totem movie player does not work and I was trying to get Xine, Kaffeine, and Mplayer. I have not been able to find rpm versions of the packages or get them from Fedora?? I am lost.
I am still debating which desktop I like Gnome or KDE. I have always been a KDE fan and I do like KDE a lot. Some features of both desktops are nice and it is aparent that Fedora really is a Gnome based distro. Can I run Xine from Gnome or is there another multimedia package for Gnome that I should try?
I appreciate your help as you seem to have a lot of info. Expert or not you have great ideas as I have seen from your contributions to the site. Aren't you the guy that has inspired all of us to try Scientific Linux? Anyway, thanks for the help.
Robzilla
74 • RE: Fedora Core 4 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-17 23:58:39 GMT from Italy)
"My problem is getting new packages. "
Until yesterday there was an apt sources.list in the forums which would give you about 3500 packages.
It was in the How-To section.
I can't find it any longer, I suppose because they say that apt is now deprecated and you should use yum instead. Trouble is, I deleted my Fedora partition a few hours ago.
I'll keep looking anyway.
75 • More about Fedora Core 4 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-18 00:26:35 GMT from Italy)
Robzilla
It is still there. How embarassing.
This thread:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=59208
So what to do:
# yum install apt synaptic
Go to /etc/apt and edit your sources.list according to the one in that thread.
You might need to edit your apt configuration so that it doesn't check for GPG keys.
76 • URGENT REPLY (by Maria Lisa on 2005-06-18 10:14:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
From Destiny-Maria & Maxwell
Abj-01 Bp 5628887 Refugee Camp
Rue 4493000 Cocody
Republic of Cote d' ivoire
West Africa.
Dearest ,
I am contacting you based on the information we
gathered about your person in this site .I am Maria
Lisa . with my younger brother is Maxwell Lisa we are
in possession of a large sum of US$10.5 Million in
cash which we want to invest in your country under
your care.
This money was inherited from our late father Dr
Francis Lisa who was the Chief countant of Sierra
Leone Gold & diamond Mining Corporation during our
8years civil War when Major Johnny Paul Koromah was
the country's president.
This money is of no criminal origin as it was largely
realized from blackmarketsale of alluvial gold dust
during the war.
This money has been moved and lodged into a security &
finance corporation in Abidjan Cote d'Ivoire through
diplomatic channels in one trunk box tagged family
valuables for security reasons. we now want to move
this money abroad and invest it in profitable
ventures, as the time is now ripe for such move.
Wherewe need your assistance.
1.Firstly to assist us claim this consignment from the
security company's my late fathers foreign partner and
have the money paid into your nominated account.
2. To assist us invest the money in a profitable
business ventures in your country.For your kind
assistance you will get 15% of the total amount and 5%
for any expenses you make, both telephone calls,
fax/emails or any other money spent during the
transfer of this money into your nominated account.
Upon your response and acceptance to assist me, we
will give you further details concerning this
transaction but you must treat this transaction as
highly confidential for my security reasons.
I look forward to your earliest reply in my
Alternative Email; maria_lisa2@yahoo.com
Best Regards
Destiny-Maria /Maxwell
77 • RE: URGENT REPLY (by Maria Lisa on 2005-06-18 10:14:50 GMT from United Kingdom) (by John on 2005-06-18 19:55:44 GMT from United States)
That's sort of like fishing in a parking lot.
78 • RE: URGENT REPLY (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-18 20:43:51 GMT from Italy)
The people who come here have an intelligence and education above average.
So: save your and our time.
79 • Re: Urgent Reply (by Robzilla on 2005-06-19 06:17:51 GMT from United States)
I have 10 Million Dollars But I need your 10 Thousand Dollars so you can take my 10 Million.
Kind of Like getting Microsoft Office for free for 60 days so I can pay Three hundred later when I can use OpenOffice for free!
My goodness are you that stupid? If you speak english or can read it which I am not so sure then you would see that no one hear has any money. We are all using FREE operating systems.
I have some real estate you might want to buy from me though.
Robzilla
80 • Robzilla (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-06-19 13:37:23 GMT from Italy)
Robzilla
Did you manage to have a larger choice of apps with Fedora?
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