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| DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 82, 10 January 2005 |
Welcome to this year's 2nd edition of DistroWatch Weekly! If you haven't had a chance to try out SUSE LINUX 9.2, now is your chance as the entire Professional edition is now available for download on a mirror site near you. We'll also talk about the new product line from MandrakeSoft and introduce ASP Linux as the featured distribution of the week. Enjoy!
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SUSE LINUX 9.2 released mirrors
 The biggest news last week was the appearance of SUSE LINUX 9.2 on download mirrors just before the weekend. Unlike any of the SUSE versions released in the last few years, things were a bit different this time as SUSE made available not only the traditional network installation ISO image, but also a full DVD image containing the complete SUSE LINUX 9.2 Professional (both i386 and x86_64 editions), except, of course, any commercial and non-free applications. Although coming later than usual (SUSE LINUX 9.2 was formally released early in November 2004), this is a great news for all who wanted to try the latest SUSE before parting with their hard-earned cash.
Some of the mirrors in Germany started offering the ISO images late on Friday, but most overseas mirrors only caught up on Sunday morning. Some readers who learnt about the release, but were unable to find the ISO images on their favourite mirrors expressed disappointment. If you were one of them, you need to remember that we are talking about several gigabytes of data that needed to be transferred from the main server to dozens of mirrors world-wide, so things took time. Another frequent complaint revolved around the fact that some users were unable to download the large DVD image. This happened because older versions of certain FTP and HTTP servers have a 2GB limit on the size of any single file that can be transferred. If this happened when you attempted to download the ISO, your best bet would have been to search for a different mirror site. Alternatively, some of the mirrors took the initiative to split the ISO image into two (see this Italian mirror as an example). After downloading both parts, you could then re-assemble them with 'cat', like this:
cat SUSE-Linux-9.2-FTP-DVD.iso.part1 SUSE-Linux-9.2-FTP-DVD.iso.part2 > SUSE-Linux-9.2-FTP-DVD.iso
As always, be sure to check the file's md5sums before burning the image to a DVD. Most importantly, have a lot of fun - you will no doubt enjoy SUSE LINUX, which is one of the most mature distributions on the Linux market!
A full DVD image with SUSE LINUX 9.2 Professional is now available for free download
(full image size: 687kB)
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Mandrakelinux for corporations
 Early last week, MandrakeSoft announced the availability of Mandrakelinux Corporate Server 3.0 and Corporate Desktop: "Although Mandrakesoft's main focus has been to make Linux available to the largest number of users, the company has also acknowledged, very early, that Linux required specific adaptations to be functional in a business environment. Mandrakesoft introduced the first version of Corporate Server in September 2000, followed by a second version in early 2003 - two products which have received quite an enthusiastic response."
By releasing products specifically geared towards businesses that require long-term support contracts, MandrakeSoft is attempting to compete with much better established players in this field - Red Hat and Novell. An ambitious move, to say the least - for two reasons. Firstly, MandrakeSoft's marketing budget and sales force are no match compared to Red Hat or Novell, both in terms of available funds and sales experience. Secondly, MandrakeSoft's limited human resources will be further diluted into developing and supporting several new products, rather than concentrating on improving the existing ones. If you take a critical look at MandrakeSoft's confusing collection of web sites and domain names, all with different themes and design attributes, you will notice how badly they are in need of an overhaul, especially if they want to attract large enterprise customers. (You certainly won't find Google AdSense advertisements on Red Hat's or Novell's sites!) Shouldn't this be a priority, instead of producing new editions of Mandrakelinux?
What do you think? Wouldn't it be better if MandrakeSoft concentrated on what they do best - provide a great distribution for home users and first-time Linux converts, rather than trying their luck with the corporate world? Or do you believe that the company is moving in the right direction? Please discuss below.
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| Featured distribution of the week: ASP Linux |
ASP Linux
Looking through some of the online user forums over the last week, I noticed a fair amount of praise for ASP Linux 10, a Fedora-based Russian distribution released just before Christmas. Users who installed it not only found the product very stable and bug-free, they were also impressed by the inclusion of many packages that are normally missing from the standard Fedora Core, such as MPlayer, xine, libdvdcss, the NVIDIA driver, and other similar applications that might invite potential trouble for US-based companies. Although the distribution's web site and support resources are in Russian only, users can install ASP Linux in English or several other languages.
Despite releasing their products as freely available ISO images, ASP Linux is a commercial company. It was established in May 2000 in Singapore, with its main development office in Moscow. In late 2001, the Moscow office took full ownership of ASP Linux and merged with the Ukraine-based Black Cat Linux, a company developing embedded Linux solutions. The first product of ASP Linux appeared in March 2001 when version 7.0 (based on Red Hat Linux 7.0) was released. New product releases, all based on Red Hat Linux and, later, Fedora Core, followed in regular intervals.
ASP Linux supplies several editions of ASP Linux for the domestic market; these include Greenhorn, Express, Standard, Deluxe and Server editions. The company also offers a range of Linux-related services and training courses, as well as various support options and free community resources for Linux users. As such, ASP Linux has established itself as a leading Linux company in Russia.
ASP Linux 10 - a much-praised Russian distribution based on Fedora Core
(full image size: 1,273kB)
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| Released Last Week |
dyne:bolic 1.4
A new version of dyne:bolic, a bootable live CD with advanced multimedia applications, has been released: "This release provides a major upgrade to software included and adds new useful applications, plus fixes some important outstanding bugs. Since the enormous success of the previous release, the suggestions of a growing number of users and the dedication of currently active developers Jaromil and Smilzo lead to this very stable release. Everyone is encouraged to upgrade!" See the release announcement and features list for further details.
Devil-Linux 1.2.2
Devil-Linux 1.2.2 has been released: "I'm proud to announce v1.2.2 of Devil-Linux. The changes include nss_ldap support, ifenslave, fixed init scripts, many program updates and many other changes. See changelog for details." Read the release announcement and changelog for additional details.
Knoppel 0.5
Knoppel is a Knoppix-based live CD designed for Greek speakers. The newly released version 0.5 is now available for download; the main changes include the following: the default encoding has changed to UTF-8; kernels have been updated to 2.4.27 (default) and 2.6.9; most packages have been synchronised with Knoppix 3.7; KDE has been upgraded to 3.3.1 and OpenOffice.org to 1.1.3. The distribution now includes FreeNX 0.2.5, Firefox 1.0 and Thunderbird 0.9, as well as support for many wireless network cards. Here is the complete release announcement (in Greek).
Knoppel - a well-designed Knoppix variant for Greek speakers
(full image size: 796kB)
Damn Small Linux 0.9.2
A new release of Damn Small Linux is out. From the release notes: "Added new iwconfig GUI and updated control panel; added back smbtree; Added 'qemu' boot time option to use shared pseudo hard disk (see 5-way); new dsl-embedded version now supports 5 ways to boot your pen drive, see its readme; corrected bug with tcc; linked some libraries to better support extensions; fixed some typos and general cleanup; Syslinux version also available for older machines."
YES Linux 2.0.13
An updated version of YES Linux is now available: "YES Corporation would like to announce the immediate availability of YES Linux 2.0.13. This release of YES Linux features many updates. One such update is a complete rewrite of the administration application in PHP. The new administration application features a simplified user interface, easier third party integration, up to 80% performance improvement, relocation to /yesadmin from /admin. YES Linux now features Java 5, latest updated kernels from Fedora Legacy, updated PostgreSQL with daily database cleansing and removal of OIDS from the default tables allowing PostgreSQL to run at top performance, updated squirrelmail, updated web statistics." Read the rest of the announcement here.
Lineox Enterprise Linux 3.055
This is a new release of Lineox Enterprise Linux (a distribution built from source RPMs for Red Hat Enterprise Linux, or RHEL), incorporating all RHEL 3 Update 4 packages: "Always Current Lineox Enterprise Linux 3.055 with Update 4 available. Note that the changed package list in both release notes lists all packages. The correct list can be found in Changelog.txt on Always Current Lineox Enterprise Linux 3.055 CD #1 or DVD. In the version 3.055 the installation environment was rebuilt, so it offers better hardware support during the installation." Here is the full release announcement.
Games Knoppix 3.7-0.2
A new release of Games Knoppix (version 0.2 based on KNOPPIX 3.7) is now available: "Games Knoppix 3.7-0.2 released. The Three Kings Release is ready for download (this time as German and English versions). The following games are included: Marble Blast Gold Demo, Mutant Storm Demo, Space Tripper Demo, Think Tanks Demo, Ufo AI (XMas Special).... For the games marked with OpenGL, you will need hardware acceleration in order to play them. I included 2.4.28 and 2.6.10 kernels, but the NVIDIA driver does not work with 2.6.10." Read the announcement on the distribution's home page for a complete list of included games and other changes.
Turkix 3.0
Turkix 3.0 has been released. The new version of the Mandrakelinux-based live CD comes with the following new features: a unique XP-style control panel - a merge of KDE Control Center, Mandrakelinux Control Center and 3rd party configuration tools; Windows-style file hierarchy, more stabilised - programs can be uninstalled by entering the relevant directory and clicking the 'Uninstall' icon; port of Mac OS X Expose; highly patched and enhanced KDE; Grpmx - a new Qt-based RPM installation wizard; Turkix configuration tools (netwizard, rpmwizard, uninstallwizard...) have been ported to Qt; apt-get integration; graphical enhancements. See the release announcement (in Turkish) and screenshots for more information.
Turkix 3.0 - making migration from Windows XP easier
(full image size: 962kB)
Buffalo Linux 1.6.1.1
A new version of Buffalo Linux is out: "Buffalo version 1.6.1.1 has been released. Some of you may have downloaded version 1.6.1. It was placed on the FTP sites while the upgrade from 1.6.0 was being put together. During this process several BUGS were encountered -- hence 1.6.1 was never officially announced -- effectively making it a release candidate. These bug fixes resulted in the patch version 1.6.1.1 as the official announcement release. Included in 1.6.1.1 are a new desktop icon selection (Buffalo IceWM), several new Buffalo Themes, updated Acroread and Opera, plusmany new desktop window manager 'bundle' packages: Blackbox, Fluxbox, GNOME, KDE, WindowMaker, XFce." Read the announcement on the distribution's home page.
Development and unannounced releases
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| Upcoming Releases and Announcements |
Asianux 2.0
As reported by The Korea Herald, the developers of Asianux are preparing for the distribution's second release, version 2.0, later this year: "'By June, we will be able to come up with an open-source system that is comparable to SUSE and Red Hat,' said a Hancom spokesman. 'The date of release was rescheduled considering the Korean government's adoption of NEIS, a database of the country's high-school population, which will be around the second semester next year, apparently a huge opportunity to introduce a new open-source solution.'" Read the full story here.
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Summary of expected upcoming releases
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New distributions addition
- Amber Linux. Amber Linux is a Latvian Linux distribution based on Debian GNU/Linux. It aims at being the first business desktop Linux distribution that is tailored specifically to the needs of Latvian users. Features include automatic hardware detection and storage device mounting; GNOME as the default desktop environment; OpenOffice.org as the default office applications suite; Hansa Financials accounting software.
- SphinxOS. SphinxOS 4.0 is a Debian- and MEPIS-based Linux distribution targetted at German speakers. It is a commercial desktop distribution that comes in Personal and Standard editions, the latter of which comes bundled with CrossOver Office and Cedega. The package also includes a printed manual, email support, and access to support forum and product updates.
New on the waiting list
- Knosciences GNU/Linux. Knosciences is a Knoppix-based bootable CD with a collection of GNU/Linux software, automatic hardware detection, and support for many graphics cards, sound cards, SCSI and USB devices and other peripherals. It is designed for use in educational institutions.
- Linuxo Live!. Linuxo Live! is a Serbian Linux live CD based on Knoppix.
DistroWatch database summary
- Number of Linux distributions in the database: 373
- Number of BSD distributions in the database: 9
- Number of discontinued distributions: 47
- Number of distributions on the waiting list: 84
That's all for today, see you all next week!
Ladislav Bodnar
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1 • "full DVD image containing the complete SUSE LINUX 9.2" (by Anonymous on 2005-01-10 11:58:44 GMT)
Above is not true: The shelves DVD is dual-layered and contains over 8GB. But this DVD ISO is only 3.2GB. It contains only the best-of/most-installed RPMs for both x86 and x86_64 which means you may have to install your favorite RPMs with FTP/YaST after installation manually.
2 • hey man !!!! one dvd is equivalent to 5 - 6 - 7 cd's (by mihai on 2005-01-10 12:13:08 GMT)
yes. suse linux 9.2 released on the web as a dvd image is FULL.
3,2 GB is aprox. 5 cd's; don't forget: it contains rpm's which expanded take a lot more; i have at home installed suse linux pro 9.1 full option and is taking over 8 GB space.
same is true for mdk and fedora and linux packages(rpm, deb, tgz) in general :)
3 • regarding mandrake (by Michael Magua at 2005-01-10 12:16:26 GMT)
im a paying mandrake club member who's membership expires in 56 days. you won't find me renewing it. i'm happy running a certain other distro. i agree that mandrake should go back to what they do best, then maybe i'll support them.
4 • Re: hey man !!!! (by Anonymous on 2005-01-10 12:26:35 GMT)
> suse linux 9.2 released on the web as a dvd image is FULL.
No, also not in fully filled DVD meaning (one side can contain 4 GB).
> 3,2 GB is aprox. 5 cd's
a) The 5 CDs of SUSE Pro 9.2 only contain x86 binaries. The FTP DVD contains x86 and a64 binaries.
b) The 5 CDs are missing lots of stuff (http://support.novell.com/products/tips/10012.html) compared to the x86 part of the DVD
5 • Mandrake (by Garret at 2005-01-10 12:44:34 GMT)
While I agree that Mandrake needs to spend some time cleaning up the website mess, I think they are a welcome player into the Corporate Market. IMHO they have been able to demonstrate that they are at least capable of making sound business choices, their recent numbers certainly show this, and I believe their is a need for at least one more serious player in that market, counting Redhat and Novell as the existing players. If not Mandrake, who?
Novell's entry into Linux has certainly changed the Corporate Linux landscape as well as the Linux landscape in general. No longer will companies be able to get by with half built websites and an unprofessional pressence. In order for people to take you serious you will have to appear professional. Mandrake's web presence certainly falls short on many levels, but I believe they are a company on the move in the right direction, with an outstanding product, and certainly with the skill and ability to move into the corporate market place.
Garret
6 • About SUSE 9.2 FTP DVD (by SyntaxError at 2005-01-10 13:22:32 GMT)
When SUSE not releasing the ISO for testing, many people complained. Oh wait, there was a ftp installable mini ISO.
When SUSE released the Personal ISO, many people complained it was missing a lot of stuff.
When SUSE releases the FTP DVD, many people still complain it does not have everything.
Never mind that SUSE is a commercial company who do not have the right to distribute FREELY licensed software they don't own.
Maybe when SUSE releases the Kitchen-Sink DVD, we will hear complaints like it's too damn BIG to download on ...on dial up. Or something like that.
Maybe. Just maybe.
7 • SUSE 9.2 DVD (by Mark W. Tomlinson at 2005-01-10 14:26:01 GMT)
I downloaded the DVD ISO overnight and look forward to installing it. I'm quite happy with my current distro (Ubuntu), but, hey, I'm a confirmed "distro junkie". Why else would I read DistroWatch regularly?
8 • Also Most Haven't Took the time to look (by HeLfReZ on 2005-01-10 14:29:12 GMT)
But the SUSE DVD for 32bit and 64bit archs are separate, not on the same disc. The retail dvd contains both archs on one disc. They simply split the disc and removed non-free stuff, geez some people never give up!!
9 • @ mihai (by DebJoe on 2005-01-10 15:11:21 GMT)
Debian and Slack can be installed minus the bloat of your many commercial distros e.g. SuSE and Mandrake. And best of all it does not require one to be a rocket scientist to be able to do so. Don't get conned into thinking that just because what 14(?) images are available for Sarge, one has to download all 14 to proceed with a Debian Sarge install. One can jolly well just download the first iso image and that's all. ;-)
10 • SuSE 9.2 (by Garret at 2005-01-10 15:11:51 GMT)
The Ubuntu 64 bit offering is very nice but is lacking the ability to run 32 bit applications I believe. Both SuSE and Mandrake handle the 32 bit applications well, though SuSE seems to have better support for the many strange bios' that are showing up on the 64 bit laptops these days. As a side note I have my 64 bit laptop's broadcom wifi chip working with the Linuxant driverloader and the new windows 64 bit broadcom driver.
11 • More about the SUSE 9.2 FTP DVD (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-01-10 15:23:45 GMT)
It is both 32 and 64 bits. The 64 bits folder is exactly 1 Gig.
Therefore the 32 bit install is 2.2 Gig, equivalent to more than 3 CDs (SUSE CDs are 650 MB)
It is a good and very carefully selected choice of software, more than enough for most people. If you want more use either apt4rpm or YaST.
12 • Suse sizes (by Gord at 2005-01-10 15:30:31 GMT)
I've always been told size isn't important ;-)
BeatrIX + nmap and another few commandline tools is now my main distro, 200MB can't be bad...
13 • Integrity (by Epstevns at 2005-01-10 15:45:46 GMT)
Previous to Friday, January 6, 2004 the company stated that the ftp installation would be available on January 15, 2005. I find it praiseworthy that the company released a week early so that the mirrors could SYNC by the aforementioned deadline of January 15. (They could have waited until January 15 to START the release to mirrors).
Committment and integrity are hallmarks that make Novell/Suse stand out. Qualitites that are not always a "given" today. :-)
14 • Re: Also Most Haven't Took the time to look (by Anonymous on 2005-01-10 15:59:21 GMT)
> But the SUSE DVD for 32bit and 64bit archs are separate, not on the same disc.
Wrong. There are no separate DVD ISOs for x86 and x86_64: Look on the FTP server, x86_64/9.2/ is a symlink to i386/9.2/
> geez some people never give up!!
Some people are simply right (and still try to help the others).
15 • Integrity (by Epstevns at 2005-01-10 15:59:49 GMT)
Previous to Friday, January 6, 2004 the company stated that the ftp installation would be available on January 15, 2005. I find it praiseworthy that the company released a week early so that the mirrors could SYNC by the aforementioned deadline of January 15. (They could have waited until January 15 to START the release to mirrors).
Committment and integrity are hallmarks that make Novell/Suse stand out. Qualitites that are not always a "given" today. :-)
16 • news listings (by ray carter at 2005-01-10 16:00:29 GMT)
Ladislav - I certainly appreciate the fine job you're doing. Since I'm seeing a lot of newbies in the newsgroups being referred to your site - I have one small suggestion. It would be helpful if you would include the short description of the distribution's purpose which appears on the individual web pages, as part of each news article. I seem to recall that you used to do that, and I found it helpful to jog my memory when news came up about some of the lesser known distros.
Keep up the good work!!
17 • Re: Integrity (by Epstevns) (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-01-10 17:16:28 GMT)
"Committment and integrity are hallmarks that make Novell/Suse stand out. Qualitites that are not always a "given" today. :-)"
Very well said, I couldn't agree more. And I'd like to add generosity, open-mindedness and listening to users (qualities I don't find in some other distros)
18 • narr non of ths SuSE/Mdk/Deb/Ubuntu/whatever is any good (by purist at hart (thats BS) at 2005-01-10 17:50:07 GMT)
Only the winps wanna use any of these Distros - non are any good really - you just gotta do a LFS and then a BLFS after that - have a real fast broadband connection - know in destail all of your hardware spects - be a WiZ kid at absrobing heeps of info - memorise everything that you ever read - dispise those that can not help them selves - only talk Geek - have unlimited amout of time on your hands - so on and so forth. You just gotta use LFS + BLFS - just like Ladislav did once and even ran this DistroWatch site on it - untill one day he changed over to Debian (I believe - I could be wrong)
Yer thats the way to go LFS + BLFS - then we would not have all these Wingers all the time about various Distros - its too bloated - it doesnt have all the features - I want propriatry software included as a free-bee - it wount do this, it wont do that - good I think I'll go back to WinSloth !!!
BIG JOKE - don't take any thing personal - don't get upset (that is my job) I do get fed up of reading ppls comments some times ? don't you - blunder on - ha ha - sorry folks I could not resist this BS
19 • Suse 9.2 LiveEval (by Edward Jones at 2005-01-10 18:25:27 GMT)
How do you make the directory mnt work?
20 • The Big Two - Woooppedy Do (by James at 2005-01-10 18:55:37 GMT)
Novell has no choice but to release the DVD iso at this point. There are better distros out there and they know it. In order to keep thier user base, they have to get as many on board as possible. I used Suse 7.4 in the past (bought it at Best Buy), but have used many other distros since.
I am also a Mandrake member that isn't using mandrake. I thought I would be more loyal and learn more being a member, but I can get help and documention all over the internet. Don't get me wrong, mandrake is a great distro. Maybe it is just that I outgrew the distro and wanted more power and less clutter. I agree that thier site can sometimes seem like a maze.
While both of the biggies are essential to the Linux movement, it is just as important to have the lesser known distros. True, big business can't just install Debian...I guess.
I would.
Currently, MEPIS is my favorite. Congrats to Mepis for an unbelieveable Linux distrbution. Go MEPIS and FreeBSD!
21 • RE: narr non of ths SuSE/Mdk/Deb/Ubuntu/whatever is any good (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-01-10 19:02:04 GMT)
Good job yours is only a joke.
I'll take it a such and reply: most of us are *users*, we want to use our OS, not make one. Like most motorists want to use their cars, not make one.
And in the same way as motorists discuss cars, we discuss linux distros and other operating systems.
22 • ASP linux (by luddite at 2005-01-10 19:02:30 GMT)
Am I right in thinking that ASP linux used to be quite "big" on security features - or am I getting confused with another distro?
But then, Fedora core 3 now implements SE linux, so what incentive is there for someone looking for an English-language linux distro to try ASP? (other than just trying another distro)
23 • Mandrake (by JeffS on 2005-01-10 22:44:57 GMT)
Mandrake is an excellent all around distro - super easy, fast, stable, very attractive, very polished, with great hardware support, and feature rich. It's my preferred distro, and it is a proven winner on the desktop, and I know of a number of people (from local LUGs and businesses my company deal with) who have deployed it as a server in both a school and a corportate environment.
Thus I see no reason why Mandrake can't compete in the business market. True, they will need to fine-tune and clean up their websites (actually the MandrakeSoft.com website is quite slick, but the other ones are a bit messy). Then Mandrake will need to get certified with the major apps like Oracle, J2EE application servers, and ERPs. Along the way, they will have to gradually increase both their sales and development force, to be able to both sell and develop/support the new business oriented releases.
I suspect that Mandrake will get it's feet wet in both the French government (an ally) and in small businesses. Then as they fulfill the above needs they will start inching up to the medium to large size business market.
I think MandrakeSoft can do it, and I'm rooting for them to succeed. More competition in the Linux Enterprise is a good thing, and I am most certainly a fan of this fine distro. I wish them the best of luck.
24 • ASP Linux (by ChiJoan at 2005-01-11 04:19:04 GMT)
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for the heads up, ASP's Website is also in English, and I will be watching for Version 2 on my favorite site DistroWatch.com :-)
By the way, why are there so few Linux word games? Or have I been searching in the wrong places?
Also I inherited a Mac monitor, if I get the right cable will I be able to use it on my Windows or Linux PC, as I can't afford a Mac right now?
Have a great year Linux, can't wait to give Windows the boot some day, but most likely will need it for WebCT courses this semester.
ChiJoan
25 • Join iso-files with win (by fez on 2005-01-11 07:00:15 GMT)
iso-files: How do I join part 1 and 2 when I got win?!
Is there a command similar to "cat"?
fez
26 • Re: Join iso-files with win (by Sven on 2005-01-11 11:26:50 GMT)
Try
copy /b part1.iso+part2.iso file.iso
27 • Solaris (by Shabani at 2005-01-11 12:50:00 GMT)
Some reports suggest that Solaris 10 will be open source. If this happens to be true (if Scott McNealy doesn't change his mind at the last minute), will Distrowatch add Solaris to the list of operating systems that "put the fun back into computing" ?
28 • Slackware (by fnobths at 2005-01-11 18:05:44 GMT)
A few weeks ago I read something about Slackware coming out with a new release. Is this true??
Also, I believe if you want an os that works then Mandrake is fine, but if you want to learn how Linux works, you need to use something else. I think Mandrake is important to the Linux Community but don't let yourself get tied up with them. Always try another Distro, don't matter what linux distro you use, keep an open mind.
29 • Suse FTP-install does not work (by meo at 2005-01-11 18:28:01 GMT)
It just doesn't work. I get to Yast and it tells me that there are something missing with the choice of packages. Fix it or you can't continue. I have tried with everything I can think of but no packages shows up and I have to shut stop the installation. I have tried at least 3 different servers and the result is just the same. What should I do?
30 • @fnobbths (by JeffS on 2005-01-11 19:02:10 GMT)
Although I like Mandrake, I have tried other distros, and will continue to do so. I have tried Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake, Knoppix, Mepis, and Ubuntu. On my list to try are Slackware, FreeBSD (or FreeSBie), XFld (live cd based on knoppix using XFce), and perhaps SuSE again (the one I already tried was SuSE 9.0 live CD, which I was not impressed with).
Of the ones I've tried so far, I've been the most pleased and satisfied with Mandrake, and I keep coming back to it.
31 • ELX (by james e. thompson at 2005-01-12 05:06:47 GMT)
Hello Ladislav , been try ing to download ELX with no success ! allso none of the listed possible mirrors are responding like theve ever heard of this distro . kind of interested in this one if its in english . but my searches on these sites come up blank . would kinda like to know if these people exist & whats up .
regards jim
32 • Re: Suse FTP-install does not work (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-01-12 06:54:32 GMT)
Suggestion: download the DVD iso and install everything else you might need with apt4rpm.
33 • Mandrakesoft + Mandrake-Linux + Mandrake community (by Realistic Bastards at 2005-01-12 07:52:43 GMT)
I will assume that the opinion piece titled : "Mandrakelinux for corporations" is from Ladislav Bodnar. So I will try to inform him of the big picture he seems to be missing in this case.
Let me start right of the bat by saying that you dont get Mandrake if your going to make such a comment.
First of all , Mandrakesoft as offered winning package targeted for corporation in the past , the mention of : "Corporate Server 3.0" should be a big enough clue as to that effect ( meaning there where a #2 and #1 ) , I will also point out that there are very large recorded deployment of Mandrake-Linux on corporate desktop.
"http://www.mandrakebizcases.com/".
The only problem that Mandrake as a hole suffer is from a clueless management that is in charge of MandrakeSoft.
Otherwise the Sale Team whas big enough in the past to beat Red Hat in sales in the US , The marketing team is also quite powerful , it mainly come from the Mandrakesoft Community the same group that helped support Mandrakesoft management mistake by buying MandrakeClub subscriptions, Novell is also no problem as they are a new player on the GNU/Linux scene and that they are mostly using the Former SuSe portfolio wich Mandrake never add a problem to beat ( thats why SuSe got bought by Novell ).
Corporation are no fool they have dealt with Novell in the past , they are quite aware of what they are capable of and they tend to stay away from them as they will switch position in a heartbeat. Mandrake and Mandrakesoft on the other end have stayed tru to there position from the beginning and even tru hard time.
website serve a purpose they are not meant to be to your liking but to be usefull , one would consider your own website to be a piece of shit as other would find it perfect for its purpose , its all in a mather of taste , I dont think that a website ugliness affect the outcome of a product just look at http://www.kernel.org/ , come on can you find a more ugly site then that one ? yet it spawned a 85 billion yearly Gnu/Linux business.
What Mandrake as going is the fact that many europeans are looking for open source solutions and since novell/suse is out and Red Hat is also due from being from the US , the remaining choice is MandrakeSoft. I would also point out that the Euro.is a big factor in the battle too its almost double the value of the US dollars.
Mandrakesoft is also a company wich as many product wich both Novell/SuSe and Red Hat dont have. This is a factor that wil play in the favor of Mandrakesoft in the future.
If the Mandrakesoft Management dont make any stupid mistake this year might be the Year of Mandrakesoft and the year that whe finally see Gnu/Linux make real inroad on the desktop.
Make no mistake to underestimate Mandrake they still have many trick in there hats ;-)
34 • Re: Re: Integrity (by DaNewB at 2005-01-12 08:11:12 GMT)
"generosity, open-mindedness and listening to users"
sounds like Ubuntu values... ;-)
With UbUntU, it's all about YOU, YOU and YOU, the User!
-free
-only 1 CD
-quick 'n easy install
-easy updates
-excellent documentation/community/support
-good choice of packages (1 for every need)
-clean desktop
-easy ATI Radeon driver install :D
-easy install of audio/video codecs (mp3 playback, etc.) :D
...
Ubuntu, I luv U :-)
35 • Linux needs to catch up, FAST! (by Johann Rizal ALexander on 2005-01-12 11:52:40 GMT)
Linux LiveCDs are about 40mb to 700mb and yet when you install most linux distros they rake up about 1.8gb to 3.5gb. Why the space?
Linux has a long way to go until it as straightforward as Windows.
I really hope sooner then later that a day will come when installing software in linux is as simple as a double click (like windows). Until then, I dread WindowsXP.
One more thing, where can I get a LIVE CD of Windows other than BartPE or WinPE?
36 • RE: Linux needs to catch up, FAST! (by mark on 2005-01-12 12:43:37 GMT)
As far as installing software goes I would say that it is easier in linux. If there is ever a program I need I just 'emerge ' then launch it by finding the binary in /usr/bin/*. Debian as well is easy, just 'apt-get install '. If you look at more commercial easy-to-use distributions they have package management frontends like click-n-run or xandros networks which do the above steps for you. So no, installing and maintaining software in linux can be easier.
37 • Ubuntu (by Linus Torvalds at 2005-01-12 12:46:02 GMT)
Personally Ubuntu has done a great job and other should copy it. if you want my opinion on what distro you should use right now I'll answer ubuntu.
Yours,
Linus Torvalds.
38 • No subject (by Josef Stalin on 2005-01-12 12:56:01 GMT)
I also recomand using Ubuntu. We managed to increse the manufacoring of steel by 140% by using Ubuntu.
39 • Re:Re:Suse FTP-install does not work (by meo at 2005-01-12 13:53:43 GMT)
Thanks for your respons Anonymous Penguin. The problem is that I don't own a DVD-burner, otherwise I wold have done like you said.
Have fun everybody,
meo
40 • Ubuntu (by Shabani at 2005-01-12 15:00:18 GMT)
I'll never understand why people always think that the latest distro is the best of all. Though based on Debian, Ubuntu is still in infancy compared to Mandrake, Fedora or Suse. By the way, Suse can be installed through ftp with a single floppy, provided you have either patience (dial-up) or luck (ADSL, cable).
41 • RE: Join iso-files with win (by SyntaxError at 2005-01-12 16:45:25 GMT)
If you have a Knoppix, try that 'cat' command once you mount the partition where you have the 2 ISOs.
I believe this should work...
PS: If you have these ISO on a FAT32 partition, IIRC, it will not combine since FAT32 limit to the max size to 2GB for a single file..
42 • ELX download (by Arvid at 2005-01-12 17:31:08 GMT)
I used the link published on the Distrowatch main page
and downloaded the iso 36 hours ago. But I had tried
that link several times before without success.
Quite easy installation and a nice distro - perhaps a little
Xandroslike? Most things worked ok at once, but though
ELX detected my sound card i have not been able to get sound.
Worth a download.
43 • suse ftp installs (by nitroushhh on 2005-01-14 13:27:12 GMT)
ftp installs have been a bit tricky for some time with suse.
you need to get the directories correct when settting up the source ftp site.
If you're having trouble with ftp go to google groups and checkout
alt.os.linux.suse
this will search for 'ftp install problem'
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=ftp+install+problem&btnG=Search&meta=group%3Dalt.os.linux.suse
hope that helps someone.
Nitroushhh
44 • RE: Slackware (by gilboa on 2005-01-16 13:08:43 GMT)
"Also, I believe if you want an os that works then Mandrake is fine, but if you want to learn how Linux works, you need to use something else. "
ARGH!
Distros have nothing to do with "how Linux works".
"Linux" is binary kernel image, a simple initialization binary (most cases /sbin/init, but can also be a /bin/bash + bash-script) and a couple of scripts.
Everything else, is purely optional.
No offense, but your argument people tend to mimic the gentoo crowed with their "learn how Linux works" ideology.
God knows I know too many people who run slackware, debian and gentoo who know nothing about how Linux "really" works.
You really don't want me to start counting how many people I know (including myself) who write kernel-based code and use Fedora, do you?
Just for the record, I normally use Slackware as the base-line for my embedded Linux projects.
Sorry for the rant,
Gilboa.
45 • Does Suse 9.2 ftp install with CD work? (by Gustave Eiffel at 2005-01-17 08:43:14 GMT)
I did not have much luck trying to install from CD using the mini-install CD.
If you got this to work, please post here your experience.
GE.
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