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1 • Hoary Array1 available (by Peter at 2004-11-16 12:31:10 GMT) |
Also, last week a new milestone for Ubuntu was reached with the release of Hoary Array 1 CDs.
and I guess:
2 • this is not y2k (by nic seow on 2004-11-16 12:38:41 GMT)
'This was the fourth and final Gentoo release of the year 2000.'
it should be the year 2004 right?
3 • yggdrasil linux (by kimchi at 2004-11-16 13:01:31 GMT)
Thanks for the memories. I remember this distro being given prominent coverage in Linux Unleashed - in 1997. And I was wondering where it had disappeared to. Sad to learn of its demise. Thanks for giving due credit to one of the pioneer Linux distros!
4 • FreeBSD and GNU Tools (by Nix_User on 2004-11-16 13:20:19 GMT)
FYI: There are various GNU Tools available for FreeBSD in the ports collection (IE: gsed-4.0.9_1). There are a few, it might have made some of the scripting a bit easier.
Have a great monday.
5 • RE: FreeBSD and GNU Tool (by ladislav at 2004-11-16 13:27:56 GMT)
There are various GNU Tools available for FreeBSD in the ports collection (IE: gsed-4.0.9_1)
Yes, I had to replace all 'sed' commands with 'gsed' just to get the scripts work as before. I felt a bit promiscuous by doing that, but it seemed easier than to learn about the differences between the two.
6 • FreeBSD (by directhex at 2004-11-16 13:48:14 GMT)
Did you consider a nice spicy OS jambalaya - Debian GNU/NetBSD or Debian GNU/KFreeBSD, for example?
7 • Hosted by FreeBSD (by P. Pearson on 2004-11-16 14:02:06 GMT)
I gotta wonder - if you hadn't included the BSDs as part of DistroWatch, would you have considered it for the move? I can just see it if this were still "Linux only", but you ended up hosting on FreeBSD - the irony would have been painful.
8 • RE: Hosted by FreeBSD (by ladislav at 2004-11-16 14:18:17 GMT)
if you hadn't included the BSDs as part of DistroWatch, would you have considered it for the move?
No, of course not. I only started playing with *BSDs after I included them on DistroWatch. I was very impressed with FreeBSD and Robert Storey is a big fan of OpenBSD, but both of us still use Debian on our home desktops/laptops. And while on the subject of operating systems, I'll let out a little secret - I have pretty much decided to get myself an iMac G5 later this month. I've never owned a Mac and never used Mac OS, but I expect to be impressed. I doubt that I'll get addicted by Mac OS and return to the world of proprietary OS/software, so I am thinking in terms of dual booting (with possibly Gentoo) with an occasional reboot to Mac OS on weekends. I am also working on a more complete page devoted to PPC distributions only - I hope I can get it finished this week.
Now I understand why Eugenia over at OSNews is such an OS junkie :-)
9 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-11-16 14:21:51 GMT)
Hm... Why isn't Solaris listed on your OS list yet - They open-sourced it.
10 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-11-16 14:26:53 GMT)
Is Solaris Linux or BSD?
11 • i686-optimized distros (by Ariszló at 2004-11-16 14:33:22 GMT)
A list of i686-optimized binary distributions has been requested several times so here is what I collected from DistroWatch with data span set to 6 months.
Top 10 i686-optimized binary distributions:
1. Yoper #14
2. Arch #23
3. Vidalinux #27
4. Lorma #29
5. Buffalo #30
6. Onebase #31
7. Ark #37
8. Crux #48
9. Navyn OS #49
10. YourESale #75
Debian-based i686-optimized distribution:
1. Munjoy (not among top 100)
Slackware-based i686-optimized distributions:
1. Buffalo #30
2. Frugalware (#26 with data span set to 1 month)
1. Yoper #14
2. Lorma #29
3. Ark #37
4. YourESale #75
5. CCux #95
6. PLD #97
1. Arch #23
2. Vidalinux #27
3. Onebase #31
4. Crux #48
5. Navyn OS #49
6. GoboLinux #86
7. EvilEntity #93
8. SoL #94
12 • Classing distros (by Marauder1 at 2004-11-16 15:15:27 GMT)
Would be nice to have a ranking system
list on Distro types in Distrowatch.
Would ease the choice on picking the
right one for your computer type.
And also give you the right numbers
of what people are searching on the
site and not the numbers of what they
are scrolling for nothing.
13 • in responce to Ariszló (by Mirak at 2004-11-16 15:37:26 GMT)
umm, yoper is debian based, as well as accepting rpm's
14 • Yoper is not Debian-based (by Ariszló at 2004-11-16 16:01:06 GMT)
It's based on Linux From Scratch.
15 • upgrade (by ray carter at 2004-11-16 16:34:04 GMT)
Glad you've done the upgrade. People were gnashing their teeth over the 'unavailability' issue (we really needed the IP addresses during the trnsfer), but it looks like the change will be worth the wait. I'm glad that you considered the ramifications before deciding on the switch.
I'm inclined to agree that Solaris should be included now - maybe it's time to review the real emphasis - since you've expanded from Linux to 'Linux and BSD', maybe now is the time to admit 'all open source alternatives'.
Your info has been invaluable for me. At the current time, I'm 'playing' with Ubuntu on my main machine while waiting for the public release of Mandrake 10.1 (at which time I plan to upgrade from MDK 9.0), and I'm seeing some impressive things. Meanwhile, I've installed Gentoo on my mini-itx box since it allows me to more easily make good use of all the unique hardware associated with the VIA M10K board. I think this ends my search for the 'perfect' distro for this platform - Gentoo is probably as close as you can come, especially now that I have distcc working with Ubuntu on my 2.4ghz box.
16 • Distros for PPC (by Bill H. on 2004-11-16 17:23:38 GMT)
"I am also working on a more complete page devoted to PPC distributions only - I hope I can get it finished this week."
Your timing couldn't be better. About 50 Powermac 7500s (PPC 601) and a handful of other NuBus and PCI Powermacs just came into my care, all running System 7.5. Linux might be just the thing to rescue these old beasts. Thanks Ladislav!!
17 • solaris is NOT open source (by Anonymous on 2004-11-16 17:38:05 GMT)
all you have is press releases from sun. stop lying
18 • how to create multiboot Linux Cd's (by Deepak at 2004-11-16 17:58:28 GMT)
can anyone tell me how i can burn the following live distros
System Rescue CD
(all iso's total make up for some 670 MB)
onto a single bootable CD
i.e. to say i can choose which live distro to boot from??
19 • bsd and linux differences (by wouter on 2004-11-16 18:16:21 GMT)
I have had a lot of trouble myself with scripts written on one system being ported to another (coincidently, also between FreeBSD and Debian Linux, and also with 'date'). Linux uses GNU, while many BSD tools are more or less derived from the 'original' BSD/Unix variants (let's not nitpick the exact semantics, they are just different branches or often complete different implementations). But if all this porting is too time consuming, I think you can install the GNU alternatives in the FreeBSD system quite trivially, and that will solve all of your problems.
Another thing that could be done is to rewrite your scripts in Perl or another scripting language, ofcourse. Then you shouldn't have any difficulties with portability.
20 • Multiboot cd (by Norbert Body at 2004-11-16 18:25:25 GMT)
deepak! Take a look at :
hope it helps ...
21 • Yggdrasil LGX (by nomenon at 2004-11-16 18:59:09 GMT)
did you notice this combination Linux/GNU/X in 1992 and now we have only GNU/Linux
22 • No subject (by NemesisBLK on 2004-11-16 19:16:00 GMT)
So under what open source license has Solaris 10 been released under? Oh yea thats right, they haven't decided on that part yet. Its free for non-commerical use now(free != open source), yes but it is not open source yet. And even then who knows what Sun's interpretation of "open source" is. Will I be able to contribute code to the os and/or fork my own distribution based off of Solaris 10? Or am I just allowed to view the source code?
23 • About making a PPC specific list... (by Big Moron on 2004-11-16 19:24:07 GMT)
Good... It shoud help many with their decisions on wich OS to chose if they could know before hand if it works on their platform/hardware (CPU types).
NOW... may I sugest that it gets a bit more usufull, like maybe a list of the OS's that work on lets say... all (of the more known CPU/hardware)...
(you will have this one soon)
PPC 64 (G5)
PPC (G4 and bellow)
and so on...
or simply put
x86 (intel an the like)
64x86 (AMD 64, and watever comes after)
all those other wierd CPUs (as your time, or the volunteer times' permits)
After you finish the PPC one you migh consider expanding (making others)... I mean AM thinking like if this were like the top 5 thinggy I sugested last time... I dont know if I am mixin thing up... not that it will be like it... it is all abot platforms (hardware and CPUs) not something that will be plase because of their popularity...
Also... am lost, where is the list at on the page... It souns like if there was one allready an that you wanted to update it... do you have one allready? I faill to find it... or is it that you are on to that now?
Well anyhow... that just me typing too much... thinking to little...
Keep it up!
24 • PPC (by MarkV at 2004-11-16 19:40:08 GMT)
Glad to hear about the PPC page.. congarts on the move!
older Mac's are well built and ripe for "upgrading" been doing it here, for niegborhood kids for about a year.
25 • BSD, Linux and Solaris (by Nix_User on 2004-11-16 20:13:47 GMT)
"No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-11-16 14:26:53 GMT)
Is Solaris Linux or BSD?"
The orginal version that came from Sun was SunOS which was based on BSD. Along the way, Sun purchased some of the rights to Sys V Release ???
The Svs V was called Solaris. Somewhere along those lines Solaris 2 came out and had a little bit of both in the OS itself (mostly sys v).
As for the individual stating that Solaris is Open Sources and said stop lying. Well, try to use a little more respect to posters on this board. Sun has made a promise of releasing the OS under Open Source. Sun has in the past done a great job in releasing software to the Open Source community. Here is a couple of examples:
3) Their video system (something like X server). Sorry, i dont remember the name.
4) Working on something for Java. However, Sun doesnt want Java to split but yet maintain a slightly more restrivtive license.
5) I believe Looking Glass is getting or has been release under Open Source.
6) Sun's Cobalt Server Software.
So before any one starts beating up Sun, remember that they had done quite a few things for the Open Source Community already and they are continuing to do so.
FYI: one of the hold ups for the release of Solaris are some of the binarys that were done by 3rd parties. Now, Sun cannot relase those because they do not belong to Sun. All, in all, time will tell and I have a little more faith in Sun based on their long history with the community.
26 • Re: BSD, Linux or Solaris (by jmirles at 2004-11-16 21:10:17 GMT)
Regarding Sun's contributions to Open Source. You left out the biggie, Open Office!
Sun purchased Star Office and then later released most of the code to Open Source. Some of the code was commercial and could not be released, mostly in the database area.
While I am no fan of Sun, the certainly have released a good bit of code to the Open Source Community. Now if they would just let go of Java
27 • Do any of you run Linux on a G5 or any other PowerPC machine? (by Derek at 2004-11-16 21:30:12 GMT)
The PPC page sounds great!
When I started using Linux yellowdog was the first distro.
Installed a second hard drive in my Powermac Quicksilver G4. This hard drive was just for Linux, and I was dual booting with OS X.
Switched to Debian Sarge then Ubuntu.
The experience had been great as Linux runs very well on PPC.
28 • Slackware's Patrick Volkerding's serious dicease (by Penguin on 2004-11-16 22:30:33 GMT)
This is probably news to some, so I thought to mention this here. From OSnews:
"It was revealed that recent lack of updates of Slackware -Current has been caused by Patrick Volkerding's serious dicease. Pat asks for help."
29 • Re: Yggdrasil LGX (by kimchi on 2004-11-16 23:59:07 GMT)
"did you notice this combination Linux/GNU/X in 1992 and now we have only GNU/Linux"
That's probably because not many in the "PC compatible" world used GUIs in those days. Windows 3.1 wasn't even released yet. :-)
30 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-11-17 03:26:28 GMT)
Nem - There have been other "open source" releases with odd deals such as Solaris, i.e.; Lycoris and Sun's JDS. Yet they are still listed. And I'm pretty sure from the chat yesterday it will be 100% free.
But... Then again, it's Sun.
31 • Solaris (by John on 2004-11-17 03:43:37 GMT)
Solaris is a huge addition and should be added when sun picks a license and actually makes the source available.
Solaris is more mature, stable and reliable than either Linux or the BSDs. Now SUN says that the new solaris 10 is even faster than Linux of x86. It is worth a look for any application that's for sure.
32 • HATE MEPIS (by nunogomez on 2004-11-17 04:13:17 GMT)
OK Mepis is a great distro, their hardware recognition is the best, but they are truly unfriendly to open source. They are feeded from the open source, but they do not give back anything to open source.. Why don't they release the source codes of their patches to linux kernel so that we can take them and use in our own mandrake/redhat boxes..
33 • reply to nunogomez (by kimchi on 2004-11-17 04:48:57 GMT)
Don't hate MEPIS just because of its kernel patch!
The only obvious patch Warren applied to the kernel was the bootsplash patch. That you can download from www.bootsplash.org. If you're complaining that MEPIS includes unique hardware support patches, it doesn't, AFAIK. You can try the latest kernel 2.6.9 to see if it can work with your hardware. MEPIS uses only kernel 2.6.7 or 2.4.26.
34 • g5 (by dale on 2004-11-17 05:16:44 GMT)
"I've never owned a Mac and never used Mac OS, but I expect to be impressed. I doubt that I'll get addicted by Mac OS and return to the world of proprietary OS/software, so I am thinking in terms of dual booting (with possibly Gentoo) with an occasional reboot to Mac OS on weekends."
I am thinking the same, with a bit of a head start on trying out the OSX. It's a wonderful blend of a beautiful exterior, with a solid interior, like a high performance sports car.
I also figured I'd be back on linux with a dual boot setup, and maybe I'll try out Gentoo now that I'm ready to have linux running again. Nothing wrong with OSX, but I miss the community and excitement. There is not much to figure out or do on MAC, it all just works!
I wait for your PPC page anxiously.
35 • Yggdrasil LGX (by pinky at 2004-11-17 08:56:38 GMT)
Spooky - while having a clear out last week, I found my old Yggdrasil LGX booklet. I decided to see how it would work on a modern system, only to find that the CD is lost, and no ISOs can be found :(
If anyone can get hold of a disc, please let me know, as I would like to complete the collection.
pinky at acmelabs dot co dot uk
36 • re: reply to nunogomez (by nunogomez on 2004-11-17 11:11:58 GMT)
Do you say that kernel 2.6.9 supports most of the winmodems?
37 • reply to nunogomez (by kimchi on 2004-11-17 16:02:23 GMT)
The kernel patch for (some) winmodems is freely available. I googled for "kernel 2.6.9 winmodem support" and one of the links is about getting the lucent winmodem kernel patch for kernel 188.8.131.52.
If that's not your winmodem, i think you'll be able to get lots of good results by searching on google too.
38 • Ubuntu Xorg packages in Sid (by Zipslack on 2004-11-17 19:50:11 GMT)
Has anybody managed to get this to work? When I tried, it gave me a package mis-match error and would not go. I didn't want to force it.
39 • Arch clickbox (by Lord-Storm on 2004-11-18 05:29:22 GMT)
A clickbox on the main page like distro would be cool since I would prefer a x86_64AMD distro. OpenSun OS will this be included in the distrowatch?
40 • Re - iMac G5 (by Got Debian? on 2004-11-18 06:06:06 GMT)
A quick bit of advise on that new shiney OSX box. Don't install X from the OSX install discs and grab yourself fink and use finkgui to install X and a lot of the softtware you are use to., of course it's free.
"The Fink project wants to bring the full world of Unix Open Source software to Darwin and Mac OS X. We modify Unix software so that it compiles and runs on Mac OS X ("port" it) and make it available for download as a coherent distribution. Fink uses Debian tools like dpkg and apt-get to provide powerful binary package management. You can choose whether you want to download precompiled binary packages or build everything from source."
41 • Re: Arch clickbox (by Ariszló at 2004-11-18 08:03:02 GMT)
Yes, it would be a good idea to sort distributions by architecture.
42 • PPC Distro (by KaZe on 2004-11-18 17:25:31 GMT)
I've been using MacOsX since 1 week now, and I find it fabulous !
I'm the happy owner of the last version of iBook G4 (14" with combo), and dual-boot between OsX, and Mandrake (the only one PCC distro I found which worked out of the box : Radeon 9200 card, Mac-fr keymap, ...).
Since Mandrake is installed, I never used it. MacOsX is such usable, I'm feeling like I'm discovering computers for the first time.
Be careful ! OsX is really temptating and makes me forget Linux a little for the moment...
OsX is the dark side :) (but what a side !)
43 • re: Xorg on Ubuntu (by Staggerfort at 2004-11-19 23:56:34 GMT)
Yeah, I tried it and every things worked fine for me. So I've just been following the Hoary branch along as it goes, to see where it leads. Whole slew of upgrades, almost every day. Only one broke -- sed -- and that was an easy fix. I quad boot two machines, so I have lots of alternatives if it breaks, but so far, it hasn't. Seem like a pretty nice bunch of folks, too, feeding the stuff they learn back to Debian. Been having a lot of fun this month with MEPIS, KANOTIX (that's a real gone one, but it looks like crap when it first comes -- that's easy to fix), Fedora (seems like a lot of work to get the same thing you get with 1-disk Debian-based distros). And I really like what they've done with SLAX. Berry Linux is cute as heck and works. Something better there almost every month. Debian's a lot easier to install now. SUSE's good but I'm broke so I don't know what 9.2 is like, other than that live demo. To me, they're all good, all fun, all useful, all promising. And there's a bunch I didn't mention that I like, too, like DSL, Feather. SAM'S got a couple of good ideas. ARK's cool, if you follow their deveopment line. The problem with Linux these days is there are so many, it don't leave time to try BSD.
I was never pissed at Microsoft before. Live and let live. But Ballmer's latest FUD in Asia really rusted my bucket. Never called them a MONOPOLY before today, but I will now.
Tnx, all. Linux is HOT (bet BSD is, too, if I had time to try it). Many roads to the same destination.
44 • @Staggerfort (by Ariszló at 2004-11-21 08:41:48 GMT)
"SUSE's good but I'm broke so I don't know what 9.2 is like, other than that live demo."
Try the new Novell Linux Desktop and you will see:
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