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1 • Firefox & New York Times (by Olli at 2004-10-25 11:45:24 GMT)
While it is true that the New York Times is just limited to a small area, it's actually not what truely counts. By picking a major and well known newspaper to advertise in, they get the media interested even before the ad is placed in the New York Times. This is just a way to get the spotlights on you and meanwhile get as much as media coverage and Brand pimping as possible.
2 • subliminal ubuntu (by Anonymous on 2004-10-25 11:58:46 GMT)
There is a subliminal message in that Ubuntu wallpaper. Here is a hint: Look at their eyes of the 3 models.
3 • Adds (by Pedro on 2004-10-25 12:03:43 GMT)
I'm against it. I can't think of many other stupid ways to spend money! You see an add on NYT about a browser. So what? Will you even try it?!
4 • Donations: GUI firewalls (by Penguin on 2004-10-25 12:24:18 GMT)
I got an idea about the potential projects worth donating some money. What about easy to use (GUI) security software for non-expert desktop/home users?
Some (mostly) commercial distros have integrated firewalls, but perhaps a majority of distros have none, integrated and newbie friendly firewalls, I mean. So I think it would make sense if Distrowatch supported all the little distros out there by giving money to projects that could make them more competitive when compared to a few big commercial distros, don't you think?
A good example of a relatively easy to use distro, but that is lacking an integrated firewall, is Ubuntu. However, and if you ask me, a good firewall is an essential thing for any PC connected to the Internet these days.
So, I was thinking that you could donate some money to projects like Firestarter (GNOME) and Guarddog (KDE). Are there some other easy to use GUI firewalls like those?
A more advanced candidate could also be some project like Bastille Linux (rather easy even for a non-expert IMHO). It's a pity, for example, that Bastille runs only under a few biggest distros.
5 • FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE, Ubuntu, FireFox (by Anonymous on 2004-10-25 12:40:22 GMT)
It should be out within the next day. The anticipation is killing me. Below is a link to the schedual:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/schedule.html
Ubuntu: I am kind of sorry to hear that they pulled the 'spirit of humanity' theme from their main release. Its great that they offered it as package.
FireFox and the "New York Times": I would agree with this aspect of their project. The medium should appeal to a greater auidence than a newspaper based out of NYC. There is nothing wrong NYC; however, a global perspective might be more in order IE: Newsweek, Time and so forth.
Just my humble opinion.
As for donations? How about OpenSSH? or OpenOffice?
6 • re: subliminal ubuntu (by SFN on 2004-10-25 13:51:37 GMT)
The only subliminal message I'm getting is that the blonde model thinks it's cold in there.
Bad taste.
*flogs self*
7 • NYT - a waste? (by Anthony at 2004-10-25 13:53:34 GMT)
I'm no expert in advertising - but everything I've read is that you need to get your message in front of people at least 4 times before they even notice it. Perhaps the ideas is to get the attention of the media "elite".
If they actually want to get more customers I would write some plugins/extensions for yahoo mail and then advertise on mail.yahoo.com like crazy. You would get a lot more eyeballs/$.
8 • re: Donations: GUI firewalls (by SFN on 2004-10-25 13:55:13 GMT)
"A good example of a relatively easy to use distro, but that is lacking an integrated firewall, is Ubuntu. "
"It's a pity, for example, that Bastille runs only under a few biggest distros."
Being that Ubuntu is Debian based, wouldn't Ubuntu be one of those distros?
9 • multi boot live cds (by anand at 2004-10-25 13:55:47 GMT)
long time distrowatch eader...question...does anyone have info on combning several live distros on on cd?
Thanks.
10 • the ubuntu art work (by speel at 2004-10-25 14:03:41 GMT)
lol im personally sick of hearing about the art work.. if you dont like it change it thats be beauty of linux or you can just close your eyes
11 • re: Donations: GUI firewalls (by Penguin on 2004-10-25 14:30:44 GMT)
Being that Ubuntu is Debian based, wouldn't Ubuntu be one of those distros?
You mean that Bastille can be used with Ubuntu? I guess so but Bastille is not supported. Maybe it is part of the "universe" packages from Debian unstable that run ok also with Ubuntu, I don't know?
Anyway, Bastille is not what I meant with an easy to use GUI firewall. But Firestarter and Guarddog are just that. However, both Firestarter and Guarddog may lack some features or the they don't pass something like grc.com tests without a problem, so they still have a lot room for development (and could have need for some donation money).
If there was an easy to use GUI firewall, people could, regardless of the distro, just download and install the appropriate firewall package suitable for the desktop environment used, and have a working firewall in a few moments. However, in the current state of GUI firewalls for Linux (that are not integrated to the distro like e.g. in Mandrake or Redhat), installing and configuring a firewall in Linux is too difficult for a newbie kind of a user.
12 • re: Donations: GUI firewalls ( (by Penguin on 2004-10-25 14:40:30 GMT)
...oh, and Bastille does not work 100% reliable even with Debian unstable/testing AFAIK. After running Bastille you may need to manually fix several configuration options that the semi-automatic Bastille script couldn't handle. Maybe Bastille runs ok on Debian stable, I don't know, but not unstable (= Ubuntu too).
13 • reply to "the ubuntu art work" (by speel) (by John Coombes at 2004-10-25 14:57:37 GMT)
Speel - please do not just take the narrow usually Western point of view QUOTE im personally sick of hearing about END QUOTE - do you realise that in lots of societies round the world showing large amounts of flesh is offensive - some thing that most westerners do not consider (especially when they take holidays to exsoitic places) - you know it does not offend me (orig. from UK now an Aussie) and I certainly am not a religious or anti nudity fanatic - but from my experiance travelling round the world I learnt that one should should not always jugde things from ones own narrow point of view (no matter how liberated you think you may be) - Please Everyone think beyond the little square that you live in - being a WiZ Kid does not equate to being Wize in the ways of the World (I call it common sence)
14 • re: subliminal ubuntu (by Anonymous on 2004-10-25 15:00:52 GMT)
"The only subliminal message I'm getting is that the blonde model thinks it's cold in there."
Not that one. That's just them making the Ubuntu symbol at the log-in screen. The message is in the other picture, the one of the wallpaper on the gnome desktop.
15 • Firefox and the New York Times (by rotenberry at 2004-10-25 15:03:36 GMT)
I do not know whether the New York Times is the appropriate place to take out a full-page advertisement for Firefox. However, it seems clear from the comments that some readers are not aware that home delivery of the New York Times is available in every medium to large metropolian area in the United States. I live in a suburb of Dallas, Texas, and I pick up the NYT and the local newspaper every morning in my front yard.
16 • Ubentu Propganda (by 808 on 2004-10-25 15:05:29 GMT)
People sure are pushing for Ubuntu. It keeps getting posted here, slashdot, and a few other places. I'm sorry, but Ubuntu just isn't great. It's just too bad some websites keep posting info about it in order to get people to recognize it. Even at slashdot, there seems to be little enthusiasm concerning this distro.
17 • FireFox ad (by 808 on 2004-10-25 15:08:03 GMT)
Concerning FireFox, if they already made enough for the NYT, they should at least advertise in other news papers such as the LA Times and other major city papers.
But come on, advertising twice on NYT?
18 • Firefox Ad (by Ann on 2004-10-25 15:47:26 GMT)
Imo, the NY Times was probably picked because it's thought to be the one people (and businesses) would be most likely to pay to see their name in; this *is* a fund-raising project. And a magazine or tabloid size newspaper page wouldn't hold as many names.
19 • firefox ad (by Rich at 2004-10-25 15:57:31 GMT)
NYT does get a fair amount of attention. moreso than Financial Times In my opinion. However If I was to pick an American paper that gets read by corporate people who actually make the decisions on what will get used I'd have picked The Wall Street Journal.
But I'd say choosing one major from each continent(sans antarctica) would be a better choice even if it was more expensive.
Also Full page newspaper ads are the worst for notice/retention. When I see a page entrirely taken up by an ad I skip onto the next page.
20 • Firefox & NYT (by d00m3d on 2004-10-25 16:00:53 GMT)
Why not donate some funds straightly to Firefox in supporting their development?
21 • perhaps (by foo on 2004-10-25 16:03:35 GMT)
Perhaps the fact that NYT hits newstands in all major Western megalopolises (I didn't make up that word) and metropolises may have been part of the decision making process. Also, even if it were to be localized to New York State, the city is home to the highest number of Fortune 500 companies besides Houston, Texas. Catching the eye of some of the most influential businessmen and women in the world may be a most positive step.
Other than that, I would have advertized in Time Magazine or Wall Street Journal.
foo
22 • Firefox Promotion (by Dave Thacker at 2004-10-25 16:40:10 GMT)
In the US, I'd rather pay for a billboard along the interstate.
DT
23 • Ubuntu(the real story) (by EEDOK at 2004-10-25 17:52:27 GMT)
http://eedok.voidofmind.com/linuxpage.php?id=linux/Ubuntunews
The real story behind the popularity of this distro.
I feel appauled by Ladislav on the lack of mentioning the distro chooser I made, many angry faces at you >:( http://eedok.voidofmind.com/linux/chooser.html is the page for those who missed it..
24 • No subject (by Wil at 2004-10-25 18:01:35 GMT)
1. I am sure that Ubuntu's Mr. Shuttleworth has the money to start a porn site if he desired to, but he chose instead to give away excellent Linux, free. One might question the revealed shoulders in the Ubuntu artwork (no female navels are seen), but one would be a fool to fault Mr. Shuttleworth's real and sincere intentions.
Here, we see a litmus test for how difficult it is to find a forum the artistic expression for his kind of thinking, the uniting of humanity. It's shameful to think we might have giving him ample reason to feel upbraided for having done so. Having ample finance does not exempt him from having sensitivities. I hope that this trivial debate has, in no way, diminished his enthusiasm for what has already become a distinguished project.
2. If bare flesh (mostly shoulders) is so offensive, why are XXX sites the most lucrative Web enterprise and why do they originate in all parts of the world? And, my goodness, what must Hollywood have been thinking when they let all of those women come to the Academy Awards, to parade upon the stage in such small shards of expensive fabric? I heard no one singing 'God, Dress America' then.
3. Even in the parts of the world whose leaders require their people to disdain flesh, you cannot tell me that the people don't try to see it. There is sufficient evidence to refute that hypocrisy.
4. Who among us had the hubris to elect a minority group such as Linux users to be censors, and what qualifies them to be so? Isn't there a small but noticeable contradiction in having long shown disdain for Microsoft's cloaking and veiling of their software? Suddenly, the defenders of an open source world are judges of that which should be concealed in art, protectors of the world's innocents from the sight of naked shoulders? Prior to his election, the governor of California appeared regularly, simi- or unclad, in front of millions in various art forms and he appears to have gained, rather than lost, credibility.
5. Do we really have the qualifications to speak of what other parts of the world may or may not approve? Are there not those who are better equipped to make such judgments? For example, does not the owner of Ubuntu live amidst the largest collection of diverse countries, languages, and belief systems in the world, many of which are far from being "westernized"? He also might know a thing or two. Or seven. If he choses the wrong splash screen, it would reflect one of the few venture mistakes he might have made.
6. How does the Pope explain the Sistine Chapel to visitors?
7. Are there not just as many parts of the world as are reputed to find the absence of garments repulsive who think Westerners wear far too many clothes?
8. The New York Times is a good newspaper, trusted by many. But would not the same parts of the world who might allegedly disdain Ubuntu art work also find it repulsive to see a Firefox ad in the midst of far more significant and intentional sexuality strewn throughout the pages by other advertisers?
9. Many of the very same places that where bare shoulders would produce instant coronary arrest also practice the stoning of women for adultery, clitorectomy and infibuation, make their women wear veils, allow men to have numerous wives -- more slaves than wives -- and generally take offense at anything that's happened since the 14th Century. I find a veiled or burkaed woman whose garments have been dictated by men far more offensive to look at than a scantly clad woman who has the right to choose to wear what she pleases. I, for one, shall not allow a Medieval mind become the arbiter of my artistic inclinations, nor even a tiny force in that direction.
10. Sliding off the path I have just beaten to death, it absolutely does, as has been mentioned, take at least three advertising impressions to install purchase desire in the human mind. That is why ad campaigns usually last 13 weeks, in most media. There are many and far better ways for Mozilla to use the advertising money they have collected. In fact, there are far better ways for Mozilla to use the money.
For those of you who now have fur bristling at the back of your necks, ready to snarl with your fingertips, don't add to this wave of proxy censorship by even implying I shouldn't say this. I am old, ill, and have fought, like many other veterans, for the right to do so.
So unless you have had your sense of irony surgically removed, smile, damn it.
Humanity to others,
A Ubuntu user
25 • @Wil (by Penguin on 2004-10-25 18:46:47 GMT)
You forgot number 11. : The popularity of the traditional art of belly dance in many of the oldest Muslim countries ;-)
Also, I'm a conservative Christian but I haven't paid much attention to the whole issue of those Ubuntu images of young women and men while I've been considering trying Ubuntu. I have found the case mostly hilarious only though maybe a bit embarrasiing to Ubuntu.
But then, on the other hand: also some very modern and liberal western people might indeed find that sort of default screen images unappropriate. For example, I could very well imagine that some women who are very much into feminism could think that pics of topless women are disgraceful, show disrespect to the human value of women and could reflect the chauvinism of the distro.
Summa summarum: values, cultures and individual opinions differ a lot. You may not be able to respect everyone and everyone's opinion. But it is part of the good human values and respect of others (Ubuntu philosophy) to at least try to.
As to the notorious images themselves, they are not used as default images in Ubuntu now, so what's the fuss about anymore? Besides, and like Wil writes, in many occasions and in many cultures, like fashion magazines and ads, you can often see much more erotic images. Time to forget this little and very insignificant incident? Or do some people just want to give Ubuntu bad publicity by talking about this small problem of some stupid images over and over again?
I say: forget the whole thing and move on, please.
26 • ubuntu artwork (by Luk van den Borne at 2004-10-25 19:56:41 GMT)
I'm only saying one thing about this nonsense: It's just so damn hypocrite! Please stop yelling. The art isn't even half as shocking as some tv ads you are broadcasting at this very moment. It's about the distro's quality, not about its artwork.
Ok, this was more than one thing :)
27 • Ubuntu -- again (by titiv69 at 2004-10-25 22:10:31 GMT)
What a discution about an ungly walpaper anyway.
Like it or not it i will say it in french : c'est moche et laid.
And after a try of Ubuntu I may say that :
Ubuntu is a good start but not for the user but fot Ubuntu itself.
28 • re: multi boot live (by ks at 2004-10-25 22:35:22 GMT)
see:
http://severinterrier.free.fr/Boot/CD-MultiBoot.htm (french)
http://www.nu2.nu/bootablecd/#multimemdisk (english)
http://freshmeat.net/projects/cdshell/ is the software to make a cd boot menu and launcher
see ultimatebootcd.org for a good example of multi-boot
29 • No subject (by Wil at 2004-10-25 23:23:49 GMT)
I apologize for my recent Norse Saga. My wife says that, even though I only have 50 percent lung use, I am still long-winded.
A few people have ended their message with things they forgot to mention and I didn't get to do that. So I will.
Ubuntu is an excellent distribution. It is committed to a six-month schedule of getting even better. It is committed to remaining free. They send out free copies of the distribution by mail for the cost of the mailing. Get some for your schools.
The aid to the Debian community is direct. The developers at Ubuntu fix not only their own work, they fix Debian problems and send those fixes immediately to Debian. All who use any Debian or Debian-based distro benefit from that.
I have never been drawn to Gnome, but Ubuntu lured me there and I like it now.
For those who don't care for it, it is harmless, not trying to put someone out of business, and those who like find it to be an elegant solution to our computing needs.
The final thing I forgot to say is that this is a terrific Web site.
I apologize for my recent Norse Saga. My wife says that, even though I only have 50 percent lung use, I am still long-winded.
A few people have ended their message with things they forgot to mention and I didn't get to do that. So I will.
Ubuntu is an excellent distribution. It is committed to a six-month schedule of getting even better. It is committed to remaining free. They send out free copies of the distribution by mail for the cost of the mailing. Get some for your schools.
The aid to the Debian community is direct. The developers at Ubuntu fix not only their own work, they fix Debian problems and send those fixes immediately to Debian. All who use any Debian or Debian-based distro benefit from that.
I have never been drawn to Gnome, but Ubuntu lured me there and I like it now.
For those who don't care for it, it is harmless, not trying to put anyoneone out of business. And those who like it find it to be an elegant solution to our computing needs.
To ks: Thanks for the excellent and useful information, just now.
The final thing I forgot to say is that this is a terrific Web site. I continue to learn so much from it.
Thank you for allowing me to say these things.
Toward peace,
Wil
30 • I am so sorry (by Wil at 2004-10-25 23:26:47 GMT)
I am so sorry for the fumble-fingered double paste. That is truly embarrassing. I feel as though I am naked before the world.
31 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 00:29:52 GMT)
Does ubuntu mean threesome? Or is it just one of those "SEX SELLS" approaches? Hmm...
32 • RE: Sex Sells? (by JoeLinux on 2004-10-26 00:57:05 GMT)
To the one upstairs...I wonder what gave you you this stupid idea that Ubuntu has to resort to using sex to sell its distro. The fact is Ubuntu is NOT a saleable commercial product aka any variant of MS Windows. Ubuntu is FREE (as in FREE beer) for download! Like some like a meat-based diet, others prefer vegetarian.
A couple of half-nude pixies in no way is a public declaration of support for nudism or an attempt at degrading women.
To be honest, I have this niggling suspicion that those who ahve spoken up are either ashamed of their own bodies or are but a bunch of hopeless hypocritical wankers.
33 • Ubuntu philosophy (by Penguin on 2004-10-26 01:43:19 GMT)
For those still wondering what the Zulu word "Ubuntu" means and why it's also an admirable philosophy for a (South-African) Linux distro here are a few links for your education:
http://www.cyc-net.org/today2000/today000328.html
http://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Afri/AfriLouw.htm
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~edsajw//monday/Ubuntu.htm
The first one is a short summary by Desmond Tutu worth quoting here:
“Africans have this thing called UBUNTU.
It is about the essence of being human, it is part of the gift that Africa will give the world. It embraces hospitality, caring about others, being able to go the extra mile for the sake of others. We believe that a person is a person through another person, that my humanity is caught up, bound up, inextricably, with yours.
When I dehumanise you, I inexorably dehumanise myself. The solitary human being is a contradiction in terms and therefore you seek to work for the common good because your humanity comes into its own in belonging”.
34 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 03:28:53 GMT)
I tried Ubuntu. Nothing special. It's all hype. Right after installation I enabled cpufreq applet and was amazed to find out that my athlon running at 138 GHz. Then it jumped to super-duper omnipotent 1013GHz.
I didn't know linux can do that. Can I time travel with Ubuntu?
35 • No subject (by Wil at 2004-10-26 06:30:44 GMT)
Yes. If you prove worthy.
Sorry your speed didn't increase a bit more. You obviously need to lots of computing power to vent your spleen. Perhaps the future in a better place for you.
Go, Joe Linux! Right on, Penguin.
36 • ubuntu 'art' (by rob d on 2004-10-26 06:46:09 GMT)
ok.. so the name is from south africa.. and the 'art' of the wall paper is just screaming 'multiple sex partners' to me.. so i ask.. why is that comming out of a country with the highest AIDS ratio per population??
bad taste if you ask me.. very bad taste..
37 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 07:33:30 GMT)
So you don't like a distro because one applet doesn't work correctly? Or are there other things you don't like about Ubuntu?
As for me, i'm going to try out Ubuntu soon (just downloading it) but it's still all Debian for me at the moment :)
38 • To rob d (by Anonymous at 2004-10-26 10:14:53 GMT)
If those photos are screaming what you say they are at you, you must be driven completely mad by the other things in the world you must confront. I'll bet you can't even buy groceries because the tabloids and fashion magazines scream as a chorus.
And it's not coming out of South Africa. It's coming from the Isle of Man.
I have seldom read such a bizarre, sloppy, blindly intolerant attempt to connect completely unconnected things. You can't get HIV from toilet seats, Linux CDs, or looking at photos, rob.
You really must have a vivid and completely perverted imagination to foretell such a outrageous purpose for three people to be standing together. It sounds like an unfulfilled wish of your own.
Personally, from the makeup of your communication, I think you are just a recreational bitcher with a non-existent belief system, and you earmark your disdain for conformity with such indicators as leaving out capital letters, so you couldn't possibly be construed to be like the rest of those you call tasteless.
Some people have met this discussion with extremely thoughtful and well-intentioned words. Others have chosen to take their concerns or applause to Ubuntu. Still others have quietly produced many pieces of excellent art alternatives, as suggestions, and which have become a part of the beautiful collective stream of creativity that is flowing in and around this distribution.
And Ubuntu responded, within a few days, by taking down the unnecessarily controversial photos and replacing the defaults with something more appealing to those who were offended.
I'm concerned that there are deeper, more sinister motives behind the thrust of your thinking. The generalizations about South Africa and AIDS are telling.
I think you might be living in a universe of fear of your own making.
39 • Ubuntu (by Luk van den Borne at 2004-10-26 10:17:36 GMT)
I'm going to give ubuntu a try too, as soon as HoaryHedgehog comes out. I'll wait for it to mature, iron out the bugs and include x.org. I am a fan of KDE, but Ubuntu certainly attracts me.
40 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 12:58:45 GMT)
1. Yo anon, chill. Rob said the name Ubuntu was from South Africa, not the distro. Second, it appeared to be a joke. Not something that requires a thesis on your part.
Bottom line, the artwork was a really stupid idea coming from a distribution that hopes to become main stream. Now windows can brag that they are family friendly too.
In the words of Penguin, "move on".
2. The distro is not half bad, but it's not that good either. After testing it, I must say that it didn't make me want to make the switch to Ubuntu. Hype is good for any marketing campaign, but in this case it is just that, hype.
I feel that we, the Linux community, have now gone too far in the other direction. First there wasn't enough envolvement, now their are too many projects going on. How many live CD's, 50, 100? How many flavors of installable distros, 100, 200?
Come on people, stop reinventing the wheel. Pull it together. Don't start another project, join one. Unless you have a totally original idea, there is no reason to start out on your own. Join a team and help them to build the next GREAT distro. We have the resources to make something better and more usable than windows ever could. We can put in more man hours in one year than windows could in 20 years. Lets get it done.
Is Linux just a hobby.? Is it a novelty that will pass away in time? One great flash in the pan. Are we to be a foot note in the development of computing? So we got Munich to swich, what did that cost Microsoft, .0001% of their revenue?
By the end of 2005, we should have formed alliances with every major player not in Microsofts pocket. Show the hardware makers why it's important to make hardware drivers available to us. Increase market share enough that they will have no other choice than to offer support for out projects. We are not going to do that when we can't even get our own software to work on eachothers distros.
Pull it together people, or all this will be nothing but a waste of time.
41 • Blond girl in the artwork??? (by Eddie at 2004-10-26 17:42:15 GMT)
Controversial Artwork?!... What-ever!... Who is the blond girl???
42 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 17:44:10 GMT)
reading all this stuff on art... sould a Linux release be called "kill bill"? that don't make us sound like nice guys.
43 • Ubuntu (by GWJ Mateo at 2004-10-26 18:44:01 GMT)
Are you guys really all ranting about a little bit of skin? I mean, seriously. Much better things to talk about-like the upcoming US elections, the global spread of Aids, Halo 2, and the World Series!
I'm D/l'ing it, give it a shot. One for humanity baby!
44 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 19:10:43 GMT)
Quote: • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 07:33:30 GMT)
So you don't like a distro because one applet doesn't work correctly? Or are there other things you don't like about Ubuntu?
My rule of thumb is this: If during the first hour of trying new distribution I discover two inconsitencies that distribution is not worth my time. Reason being if they can't get stupid applet to work properly what else did they scew up. Ubuntu was one of the rejected within ten minutes. Just yesterday I looked at SUSE 9.2 livecd. It got canned as well. Reason: SUSE couldn't even get my network started (eth0-e1000, eth1-sis900). If Novel can't figure this one out how much can you really expect from them?
45 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 19:32:25 GMT)
So a distro doesn't work with your hardware and you don't have time to figure out why. Maybe it is...um, unsupported? Driver issues are well known, and the fact that MS is able to make companies submit info and or drivers for windows rather then or in addition to Linux says only how much of a monopoly MS is, rather then how poor a distro SUSE or any other one is.
46 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 19:39:19 GMT)
e1000 in other words is intel gigabit NIC. It is suported. And sis900 also very well suported. Knoppix BTW has no problems with my NICs.
47 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 19:43:18 GMT)
If you have to start "figuring out" from the word GO it is in your best interest to look for something more reliable.
48 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 21:07:49 GMT)
Hey, I'm pretty stupid about this stuff but I got that Ubunto to duel boot one one box with User Linux. I got it to tripel boot on another box with XP and Mepis. And it went right on an old IBM lap top ... 366 i think and nothing ever works on it. It even picked up the cheap-a** wlan card that even XP couldn't never figure out. Everthing works, everything updates with apt. Works pretty good for me.....
i thought this place was suppose to be about Linux, not bad-mouthing eachother. Bet old Wierd Willy at micro$oft rent a system is laughin now.
49 • Firefox Ads (by Obfuscated on 2004-10-26 22:28:09 GMT)
I agree with the sentiment that advertising in one particular country, in a particular city, is a bad idea to say the least, for an international project.
Also, advertisement money should be used on WEB publicity. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD FIREFOX kind of thing. Specifically in global webpages (like yahoo and all regional yahoos, i18n google ads, etc)
Oh, Ladislav, America is a Continent you know ! The US of America is a country. For people who happen to have been born in other countries of this continent, well, it is a bit disappointing to be ignored like this. Sort of like if Germany would claim the name Europe ;-)
50 • RE: ubuntu 'art' (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 22:42:57 GMT)
why is that comming out of a country with the highest AIDS ratio per population??
It isn't. As another poster said, it's coming from the Isle of Man. Besides, South Africa doesn't have the highest ratio of AIDS per person. Botswana does (last estimate I know of was around 35%).
51 • More about Ubunt (by Anonymous Penguin on 2004-10-26 23:29:40 GMT)
Problems with the artwork? I couldn't care less.
What I don't like is what they have done to Debian.
Taking a snapshot of Debian Sid and freezing it for six months? That is the craziest idea I have ever heard.
Their own repositories? Whilst the idea is not new and can have positive sides, a true Debian user can't like it.
And what was the idea of changing the (beautiful) default Debian Gnome beyond recognition?
Last but not least where is the Debian folder in the menu? Where do you find the new apps that you install?
52 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 23:41:15 GMT)
If you want debian use debian. Don't tell ubuntu to be exactly like debian.
53 • slow day for Linux flame-fests? (by gnobuddy at 2004-10-26 23:43:14 GMT)
Geez, all this fuss over three semi-clad models? What happened to all the usual Linux flame-fests over completely trivial things - Gnu/Linux vs Linux, emacs vs vi, KDE vs Gnome, Open Source vs Free Software? :)
Conservative reaction to partial nudity - It never ceases to amaze me. There are now 6.3 billion people on the planet. Most of them (except for the ones raised by wolves in the forest) have seen other nude humans. To my knowledge, none have died, gone mad, or been shattered by the experience. Why on earth make all this fuss?? When the Janet Jackson "scandal" made waves, the country was mobilized to a fever pitch of angry opinions. Stealing an election, walking all over the Bill Of Rights, and starting two wars based on lies told to the American public did not stir up half this controversy.
-Gnobuddy
54 • Re:No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-26 23:41:15 GMT) (by Anonymous Penguin on 2004-10-27 00:48:41 GMT)
If you use something which has been created by others (Debian) you should also show respect for it.
Two examples:
1)Linspire: there have been never ending arguments in the past that Linspire 'abuses' Debian. And yet it is clear to everybody that they are something entirely different. They aren't trying to make a clone of Debian.
2)Libranet: I have never heard a complaint from a Debian user, and that is because Libranet respects the spirit of Debian. That is also true of most liveCDs (Knoppix, Mepis, Kanotix...): at the end of the day they are nothing but Debian.
Concluding: you can customize Debian, but you should always show respect for it: it is, after all, the mother of your distro.
55 • SuSE live DVD distro (by Anonymous at 2004-10-27 02:29:10 GMT)
At last a distro that can be burned onto a mini-DVD-R!
At 1.3 GIG, it can comfortatably fitted onto a 1.4 mini-DVD, thus making it a "real" pocket LIVE distro. I burned it onto a cheap DVD-R [5"] first, to check it out. Up till now, I was using 3", 200MByte CD-R/RW, but they can only hold small distros like SLAX, MINI-Knoppix etc. This mini-distros are excellent, but it seems a waste to use a mini-DVD-R/W on something that is just too large for a 200 MB mini-CD. What a great idea!
I would be great if someone could post some info on how to remaster an ISO in Linux, without making it overly technical. Or a generalised interactive script that could work with just about any Linux distro.
I buy SONY mini-DVD-R's for AUS $14.95, and the mini -DVD-RW's are AUST $22.95. They are meant for use on handycams, but work well in most PC-DVD's. But they are expensive compared to the normal size DVD-R/RW's. Does anybody know of a cheaper / reliable source of quality mini-DVD's.?
56 • Ubuntu LIVE-CD (by John Coombes at 2004-10-27 03:46:02 GMT)
Everyone seems to have missed this ? Probably because it was Issued a day or two after the installer ISO's. There is also a Ubuntu (Warty) LIVE-CD ISO's that one can download, cut to a CD and use to try out Ubuntu with out installing it first. In fact I am using it at this very instant to write this :-) on my AOpen Laptop (like an Acer). When one boots the CD there is a mune with quite a few boot up options, the fisrt (default) option worked for me with my offically Linux un-supported Laptop :-) - ALSO one will notice that the LiveCD ISO is much larger than the normal Warty ISO's - this is because there is also about 100 Mb of Open Source software for MS-Windows on the CD (from the OpenCD project). I you have auto-run on when you insert the CD in MS-Windows a menu screen pops up and you can install this software. - Persnally I think this is such a good idea having this additional Windows Open Source software on the CD as even if the End User is not ready to install Ubuntu yet, Open Source software is being premoted. - BTW I got my LiveCD from the first (primary) download site.
57 • Ubuntu LIVE-CD - Follow up (by John Coombes at 2004-10-27 04:14:20 GMT)
(1) it seems that all but one of the download sites have the Live-CD ISO (2) when using the LiveCD the default background wallpaper is just plain color
58 • Debian Menu and Respect (by anon on 2004-10-27 07:18:02 GMT)
I am glad that there is no Debian menu in Ubutu. For a distribution aimed at the not so safe user it is important to use a simple, clear menu (like Mandrake or ... Ubuntu). But it is also important that it auto-updates when you install some new apps.
In Ubuntu many important developers of the Debian distro are involved, working on both sides. Given the fact at which extent their work on Ubuntu goes back to Debian as some has noted in other comments it is nonsense to charge Ubuntu not to respect their "mother-distro". And if they don't know how to treat Debian respectfully, who is Anonymous Penguin to decide which is appropriate and which is not?
59 • Ubuntu (by blueheeler at 2004-10-27 10:07:31 GMT)
Just a short comment: I'm a KDE fan, not Gnome, so Ubuntu is not my type of distro - BUT - it gets my sound chip (Via chipset on the motherboard) working out of the box - I have found NO other distro that can! and support forums have been unable to help either - so full marks to them!
Oh, yes, I fully agree with the previous poster who suggested we need people to pull together now , some diversity is good - but too much is not.
60 • Re:Debian Menu and Respect (by anon on 2004-10-27 07:18:02 GMT) (by Anonymous Penguin on 2004-10-27 15:00:24 GMT)
"And if they don't know how to treat Debian respectfully, who is Anonymous Penguin to decide which is appropriate and which is not?"
Just a Debian user who feels that Ubuntu has the taste of a fork (contrary to any previous Debian based distro)
61 • Ubuntu Linux (by Topbarhive at 2004-10-27 17:33:18 GMT)
I've used it, I like it, I've got several CD's coming to give it away to a bunch of friends, Didn't know about the LiveCD, will now end this note, to download it...
62 • Ubutnu (by Mike on 2004-10-27 19:43:52 GMT)
The pics would obviously hamper i10n. The Gnome HIG says not to use images of hands or feet - presumably because you never know what they might mean... So entire people are obviously out.
What I personally don't like about Ubutnu is how commercial it feels. There's been loads of hype, a lot of which comes from people who run Linux news sites (not this one though). There's a mysterious rich bloke running the show. Bill Gates told me never to trust an OS created by a rich man. And the nekid peeps look like good, old-fashioned marketing, aimed squarely at American men.
Still, I'm in the market for a new distro, so I may try this, but I'd prefer something compatible with Debian.
63 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-27 19:55:34 GMT)
Well, well, well. I download the live Ubuntu and find it's on a Morphix base.
I download Gnoppix 8.2RC2 and find it's ALL Ubuntu, even the repositories. And Gnoppix 8.2 will be called Warty.
Interesting. Sounds like cooperation to me.
So if you don't like Ubuntu, and you like Gnome, download Gnoppix, and you'll get to try Ubuntu without your neighbors knowing.
64 • Re:Ubutnu (by Mike on 2004-10-27 19:43:52 GMT) (by Anonymous Penguin on 2004-10-27 20:03:55 GMT)
"Still, I'm in the market for a new distro, so I may try this, but I'd prefer something compatible with Debian."
Try Libranet. It is fully Debian compatible and there is no hype around it: just a good, solid OS and a very nice community.
65 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-27 20:49:11 GMT)
"There are now 6.3 billion people on the planet. Most of them (except for the ones raised by wolves in the forest) have seen other nude humans."
Well, let's be honest. We ARE talking about geeks, after all.
66 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-27 21:37:01 GMT)
"Still, I'm in the market for a new distro, so I may try this, but I'd prefer something compatible with Debian."
If you add just two Debian repositories to Ubuntu, you not only have Ubuntu, can can make watever Deb combo you like, like add KDE3.3, other GUI's, other updates. It's easy, I tried it ust for fun (it was fun).
The repositories I added were:
deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
Because it's still in unknown legal territory, Ubuntu doesn't add some media stuff, but they timidly recommend you add:
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
That way you can have Mplayer and all the stuff you need to run DVDs, etc.
You could also add:
deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ testing/non-US main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ testing/non-US main contrib non-free
deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ unstable/non-US main contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ unstable/non-US main contrib non-free
if you really want the whole party.
You begin with a quick install of Ubuntu, which is a solid Debian-Gnome base, add a few repositories, and you may have that cool Deb distro you've been looking for. 'Course, then it'll not really be Ubuntu, but what they hey . . .
And if you go into Synaptic and set change your preferences from "ignore" to "unstable" you'll always be out there, bleedin with the best of us.
Disclaimber: I'm not with Ubuntu. You can do the same thing with UserLinux, MEPIS (a terrific Debian-based distro), or with just about any other Debian-based johnny-come-lately.
Personally, I went back to the original Ubuntu install (I'm a first-time Gnomer and I'm likin it), just to see where it all leads. Kinda fun.
Some people will probably come on and say, Nah, don't do that you'll screw up something. But itsn't that what nice about Linux (especially, Debian). You can screw it up yourself, it doesn't come screwed up, pre-installed, like Winders.
Have a great, sunny, fall day.
67 • NYTimes (by hughesjr at 2004-10-28 06:41:31 GMT)
The NY Times is the third largest circulated newspaper in the USA ... with more that 1.2 million daily deliveries. It is available in most major World Cities, and in almost every US City. The New York times is not limited to New York ... Newsweek sold 3,148,379 for the entire year of 2003 ... where the NYTimes sold more than 43,000,000 copies during the same time frame.
If you are going to advertise in the US and in a newspaper, the only two with more readers are USA today and The Wall Street Journal.
68 • RE: NYTimes (by ladislav at 2004-10-28 07:21:51 GMT)
It is available in most major World Cities.
Have you ever travelled outside of the US? I've been to over 50 countries, but I don't recall ever seeing a copy of New York Times on newstdands in any country.
69 • Re: Robert Storey's KANOTIX review. (by Wil at 2004-10-28 10:40:55 GMT)
Re: Robert Storey's KANOTIX review.
Great article, Robert. Just great. Right on.
And right on, KANO, who never fails to make it better. KANOTIX is probably the best, least know-distribution out there.
70 • Gnoppix Ubunutfied (by Anonymous on 2004-10-28 11:19:17 GMT)
"linuxbeta writes: Gnoppix 0.8.1 now appears to be Ubuntu Linux based, although this has not been confirmed. At OSDir, we've got over 50 screenshots of the Gnoppix 0.8.1 release, including the controversial Ubuntu desktop background images."
The currently-available download of Gnoppix 0.8.2RCD2 is called Warty and looks exactly like Ubuntu, including the absence of the controversial wallpaper.
Screenshots of 8.1 are at http://osdir.com/shots/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=161&slide=1
71 • Re:No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-27 21:37:01 GMT) (by Anonymous Penguin on 2004-10-28 18:03:27 GMT)
We must tell Mike the whole story.
Yes, what you are suggesting can be done, but it is not for the faint-hearted.
First you must setup /etc/apt to use pinning: you cant use two Debian branches without pinnining.
Then you must dist-upgrade, after you get rid of your Ubuntu repositories in your sources.list (in order to avoid conflicts)
Use preferably "aptitude dist-upgrade"
Yes, it can be done, but is it worth it? And in the end you have a Debian system, not Ubuntu any more.
72 • Kanotix (by Outsane at 2004-10-28 18:44:16 GMT)
I am glad to see a full fledged review of my favorite Linux Distrobution appearing on Distrowatch today... it didn't focus on Kanotix as much as i'd have hoped, but to summarize, all the basic points are there- it is very well optimzed for Hard Drive Installation, it has excellent Hardware Support, Synaptic is godsend for package management (and for some reason synaptic doesn't work well with HD installs of knoppix)
Kano is really wonderful, he even SSHed into my computer once to create a custom cd for me... i still owe him for that ;)
I've used a few different distrobutions, and to put it simply- Kanotix is the most well-done distrobution i've run across.... now if computers pre-shipped with Kanotix instead of Linspire, The world would be a perfect place :)
73 • Thanks for the tips folks. (by Mike on 2004-10-28 23:15:03 GMT)
I've got some downloading to do... :)
74 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-29 01:59:04 GMT)
"We must tell Mike the whole story."
Nawh . . . you make it sound so haaaaard. Actually, you can do it all with the settings inside Synaptic.
I used to hate that program. But they've made some nice advances. Leaves aptitude in the dust.
Point-and-click Debian updating? Yep. Is it worth it? That's a question that's never worked well for me. Probably why I'm poor, old, and ignorant.
Kanotix is another way to go. Or MEPIS. Or several others.
But "pure" Debian stable? Sure not the distribution I'd be handing out at high schools.
Anyhow, we're all in this together, no matter what distro we use. But the dialog is really good, I think. Learned a lot this week.
75 • Kanotix (by d00m3d on 2004-10-29 02:07:00 GMT)
Robert's review is very good and Kanotix is great. But...
Unfortunately, the latest Kanotix release has its downside, the inclusion of the 2.6.8 series kernel! You'll be mad with your CD writers or certain SCSI devices because you soon realize they will not work, unless you are root. See http://lwn.net/Articles/97552/
It seems any distros with 2.6.8.x kernel suffer from the same problem. You must either upgrade or downgrade the kernel to get rid of the problem!
76 • RE: NYTimes (by ladislav) (by John Coombes at 2004-10-29 06:12:42 GMT)
You Wrote:- It is available in most major World Cities.
Have you ever travelled outside of the US? I've been to over 50 countries, but I don't recall ever seeing a copy of New York Times on newstdands in any country.
End Quote
Usually it is ONLY ever found at newsagents at (1) the Main Airport (2) Main Railway Station - if you never checked them out but only local newsages or Provincial Airports or Railway Stations ? then of course you will not find it - You just gota know where to look. And not every MAJOR City in the world will carry it. and when they do its usually a day or two old anyhow :-(
BTW - I never read it myself
77 • RE: NYTimes (by ladislav) (by hughesjr at 2004-10-29 10:52:10 GMT)
ladislav said - "Have you ever travelled outside of the US? I've been to over 50 countries, but I don't recall ever seeing a copy of New York Times on newstdands in any country."
Yes, I have traveled to many places outside the US. I spent 20 years in the US Navy and visited many countries all over the world (in Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, and the Middle East). In almost every place I stopped, I found a copy of the NY Times. (This was admittedly several years ago ... I retired from the navy 7 years ago and haven't been outside the US since then).
---------------
I wasn't suggesting that there aren't any number of other newspapers in the world that wouldn't also be a good choice, just that the NY Times is one of several newspapers that is read world wide.
78 • RE: New York Times (by ladislav on 2004-10-29 11:17:05 GMT)
NY Times is one of several newspapers that is read world wide.
Sorry for being blunt, but this is nonsence. Of the US newpapers the only ones widely available outside of the US are International Herald Tribune, Wall Street Journal and USA Today. You cannot buy New York Times anywhere, not even at major airports. It just doesn't ship outside of the USA, period. Honestly, I don't know where you guys are getting this idea that New York Times is a world-wide newspaper. It is not - it is a US newspaper, not available to people outside of US.
The only thing that comes close (and maybe that's where you guys are getting confused) is the International Herald Tribune. International Herald Tribune is, essentially, an amalgamation of news stories from New York Times and Washington Post, with more international coverage. But it is NOT New York Times. I doubt that an advertisement published in New York Times will also make it to International Herald Tribune (but I might be wrong here).
79 • RE: New York Times (by John Coombes on 2004-10-30 04:40:22 GMT)
Ladislav wrote
..... it is a US newspaper, not available to people outside of US.
OK Ladislav - I eat humble pie
80 • A distroholics top 7 - for now anyway :o) (by mikkh at 2004-10-30 23:22:28 GMT)
I've got a fast connection, time on my hands and a curiosity that needs feeding regularly, so I install at least one distro a week
just to see what's on offer. I've only (!) got 7 Linux partitions, so I have to be cruel about what stays and what can make room for the next installation.
Distros are like cars, some you love immediately and forgive the odd foible, some you grow to love because of the time spent making them work, and some just keep getting better as you use them and become lifelong friends.
3 of my partitions regularly get formatted as I try new distros
but 4 *have* to stay and that 4 may become 5 as Mepis grows more and more on me each time I use it.
The must have's, maybe predictably, include the rock solid Slackware 10, and maybe surprisngly NOT Gentoo. I'll go through so much pain in the interests of furthering my Linux knowledge, but waiting hours and hours for programs to compile is not my idea of fun. I did install it to prove I could do it, but I was left with a severe feeling of anti climax when it came to running it on a daily basis.
Yoper is one of those ones that grew on me, and the latest 2.1 version is excellent and not being formatted to make way for anything - unless it's 2.2 maybe
The real reason for all this waffle is to bring your attention to a distro that seems almost unheard of, yet has just celebrated it's 9th year of being a Linux distro. I'm talking about Conectiva, especially Conectiva 10. Easy to install, fast and pretty, this brazillian based distro is as near to perfect as I've seen yet - and I've seen lots.
So, waffle over, my top seven are......... well top 4 plus guests anyway
Conectiva10
Slackware 10
Yoper 2.1
SimplyMepis 2004.04
Aurox 10
Suse 9.1
Xandros
Former respected guests include Lorma, College, Libranet, OneBase and PClinuxOS
81 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-31 22:18:37 GMT)
Are there any profesional software testers who write distro reviews? It seems like every write up can be distilled to several sentences like "Install went well. I clicked around for 5 minutes. Looks OK. I'll give it 9 out of 10 because I didn't like wallpaper". I just read a glowing review of Mepis. Reviewer seemed level headed. He likes Linux as much as Windows. Which is a good sign, since linux zealots seem to have very high tollerance for linux inadequacies. So I went ahead and installed it only to find out that Mepis doesn't boot from SCSI harddrives. However it does alow to install on SCSI harddrive. Do you see why I'm not so impressed with Linux people: Abundance of technical expertise and lack of common sense. And these examples are too numerous to mention or even to remember. Mepis people if you reading this- Thank you for wasting my time.
82 • kanotix and cd burning (by outsane on 2004-11-01 10:04:41 GMT)
kanotix even at bughunter 8 included a patch for the cd-burning issue. running k3b setup does allow any user to use k3b wevn with a 2.6.8.1 kernel.
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| • Issue 1138 (2025-09-08): Shebang 25.8, LibreELEC 12.2.0, Debian GNU/Hurd 2025, the importance of software updates, AerynOS introduces package sets, postmarketOS encourages patching upstream, openSUSE extends Leap support, Debian refreshes Trixie media |
| • Issue 1137 (2025-09-01): Tribblix 0m37, malware scanners flagging Linux ISO files, KDE introduces first-run setup wizard, CalyxOS plans update prior to infrastructure overhaul, FreeBSD publishes status report |
| • Issue 1136 (2025-08-25): CalyxOS 6.8.20, distros for running containers, Arch Linux website under attack,illumos Cafe launched, CachyOS creates web dashboard for repositories |
| • Issue 1135 (2025-08-18): Debian 13, Proton, WINE, Wayland, and Wayback, Debian GNU/Hurd 2025, KDE gets advanced Liquid Glass, Haiku improves authentication tools |
| • Issue 1134 (2025-08-11): Rhino Linux 2025.3, thoughts on malware in the AUR, Fedora brings hammered websites back on-line, NetBSD reveals features for version 11, Ubuntu swaps some command line tools for 25.10, AlmaLinux improves NVIDIA support |
| • Issue 1133 (2025-08-04): Expirion Linux 6.0, running Plasma on Linux Mint, finding distros which support X11, Debian addresses 22 year old bug, FreeBSD discusses potential issues with pkgbase, CDE ported to OpenBSD, Btrfs corruption bug hitting Fedora users, more malware found in Arch User Repository |
| • Issue 1132 (2025-07-28): deepin 25, wars in the open source community, proposal to have Fedora enable Flathub repository, FreeBSD plans desktop install option, Wayback gets its first release |
| • Issue 1131 (2025-07-21): HeliumOS 10.0, settling on one distro, Mint plans new releases, Arch discovers malware in AUR, Plasma Bigscreen returns, Clear Linux discontinued |
| • Issue 1130 (2025-07-14): openSUSE MicroOS and RefreshOS, sharing aliases between computers, Bazzite makes Bazaar its default Flatpak store, Alpine plans Wayback release, Wayland and X11 benchmarked, Red Hat offers additional developer licenses, openSUSE seeks feedback from ARM users, Ubuntu 24.10 reaches the end of its life |
| • Issue 1129 (2025-07-07): GLF OS Omnislash, the worst Linux distro, Alpine introduces Wayback, Fedora drops plans to stop i686 support, AlmaLinux builds EPEL repository for older CPUs, Ubuntu dropping existing RISC-V device support, Rhino partners with UBports, PCLinuxOS recovering from website outage |
| • Issue 1128 (2025-06-30): AxOS 25.06, AlmaLinux OS 10.0, transferring Flaptak bundles to off-line computers, Ubuntu to boost Intel graphics performance, Fedora considers dropping i686 packages, SDesk switches from SELinux to AppArmor |
| • Issue 1127 (2025-06-23): LastOSLinux 2025-05-25, most unique Linux distro, Haiku stabilises, KDE publishes Plasma 6.4, Arch splits Plasma packages, Slackware infrastructure migrating |
| • Issue 1126 (2025-06-16): SDesk 2025.05.06, renewed interest in Ubuntu Touch, a BASIC device running NetBSD, Ubuntu dropping X11 GNOME session, GNOME increases dependency on systemd, Google holding back Pixel source code, Nitrux changing its desktop, EFF turns 35 |
| • Issue 1125 (2025-06-09): RHEL 10, distributions likely to survive a decade, Murena partners with more hardware makers, GNOME tests its own distro on real hardware, Redox ports GTK and X11, Mint provides fingerprint authentication |
| • Issue 1124 (2025-06-02): Picking up a Pico, tips for protecting privacy, Rhino tests Plasma desktop, Arch installer supports snapshots, new features from UBports, Ubuntu tests monthly snapshots |
| • Issue 1123 (2025-05-26): CRUX 3.8, preventing a laptop from sleeping, FreeBSD improves laptop support, Fedora confirms GNOME X11 session being dropped, HardenedBSD introduces Rust in userland build, KDE developing a virtual machine manager |
| • Issue 1122 (2025-05-19): GoboLinux 017.01, RHEL 10.0 and Debian 12 updates, openSUSE retires YaST, running X11 apps on Wayland |
| • Issue 1121 (2025-05-12): Bluefin 41, custom file manager actions, openSUSE joins End of 10 while dropping Deepin desktop, Fedora offers tips for building atomic distros, Ubuntu considers replacing sudo with sudo-rs |
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