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| DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 68, 27 September 2004 |
Welcome to this year's 38th edition of DistroWatch Weekly. This week, we have good news for those who have requested more powerful search features on DistroWatch - search by package versions has now been integrated into the site and is available for your searching pleasure. More details below.
Content:
Fedora Core 3 shaping up, update on Debian Sarge release
 There is a lot to look forward to in Fedora Core 3, a second test release of which was made available for public beta testing early last week. It comes with a pre-release of GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3 and X.0rg 6.8.0, as well as the udev device model - a user-space devfs that creates a dynamic /dev and allows for a more consistent naming of devices. For server tasks, there is a new implementation of SELinux - a "targeted" policy applying to selected system daemons only, rather than the original "strict" policy covering all services. Despite a few inevitable bugs reported by the testers, it seems that Fedora Core 3 is shaping up to be a very good release when it ships on the 1st of November 2004.
 ISO images of the recently released Mandrakelinux 10.1 Community Edition are now available for download: "The power-user version of Mandrakelinux 10.1 is now available for public download. Many FTP mirrors are ready, and a Bittorrent access is also provided. Enjoy and don't forget to report your hardware configuration to our database in the first-time wizard, it will benefit all." Find a nearby mirror on the distribution's download page. On a related note, Mandrakelinux 10.1 beta1 for PPC is now up on the mirrors (also available via BitTorrent) while the first beta of Mandrakelinux 10.1 for AMD64 is expected next week.
 If you are holding your breath and checking Debian.org frequently in anticipation of an imminent release of Debian 3.1 "Sarge", you will be disappointed to know that it is still some time away. That's according to the Sarge release update published last week on a Debian developer's mailing list and reproduced by debianHELP. Apart from the high number of release critical bugs, one of the major stumbling blocks appears to be lack of testing-security autobuilders for certain architectures. The final freeze of the Sarge tree is expected in about two weeks from now, while the number of release critical bugs is projected to drop to zero two weeks after that. "Around this time, we will be able to set a date for the full release," concludes the report.
 For the fans of FreeBSD, BSDatwork.com has published an interesting article, entitled FreeBSD Bag of Tricks: "As a software junkie, I'm always coming across new programs to experiment with. As I find programs I like, I add them to my mental bag of tricks so they're ready whenever a client asks, "What's the best program to do x?" In this article, I'll demonstrate how I used an old favorite as a lightweight webmail program as well as a new favorite I just ran across." And while on the subject of BSDs, OpenBSD's Theo de Raadt has noted a remarkable achievement late last week: "Sometime in the last 24 hours I think we crossed a line in the project I've been waiting for ... a while. 100,000 commits to the OpenBSD cvs trees."
 It is with true sadness in our hearts that we have to report about the death of DemoLinux, one of the pioneers of the Linux live CD concept. In fact, Klaus Knopper, the developer of Knoppix was originally working on DemoLinux before he decided to launch his own live CD that literally caused a massive revolution, sprouting more than a hundred derivatives of Knoppix around the globe. DemoLinux was created by three developers at the Paris VII University in France; version 1.0, released in February 2000, was based on Mandrake 5.3, while later versions were based on Debian 2.2 "Potato". Unfortunately, the distribution's web site, dormant for some time, is no longer accessible and the project was also deleted from Freshmeat late last week. Good-bye, DemoLinux, we are sorry to see you go!
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| Featured distribution of the week: Hiweed Desktop |
Hiweed Desktop
Up until a few years ago, just about all Chinese distributions had the same two characteristics: they were built by commercial companies and invariably based on Red Hat Linux. This trend started to change recently as several community projects and Linux community web sites sprouted across the country. One of them is Hiweed Desktop, a project with a goal to build a light-weight Debian-based desktop Linux distribution.
What's so special about Hiweed Desktop? Besides being based on Debian, the most noticeable change from the standard fare is the use of XFce as its desktop environment. The absence of GNOME (although the GTK+ library is available) and KDE means that the install ISO image is less than 250MB in size. The installation program is a recent beta version of the new Debian Sarge installer, while most packages on the CD are also from the soon-to-be-released Debian testing branch.
While Hiweed Linux is unlikely to be of any interest to users who don't understand Chinese, those who do will appreciate the amount of localisation available in the distribution. The user interfaces of many popular applications have been translated into simplified Chinese (Mozilla Firefox is one notable exception) and the integration of a Chinese input server, a Chinese dictionary, and several Chinese true type fonts are welcome additions. The distribution uses Smart Common Input Method (SCIM) as its preferred input server for typing Chinese text into documents or on the console, with several new input methods available. These (and many other options) can be configured from within hiweedconf, a control centre for common administration tasks (see screenshot below).
Although not without its bugs, Hiweed desktop is an interesting and promising distribution for Chinese users who would like to investigate alternatives to more established Linux distributions or, indeed, operating systems.
The Hiweedconf Control Centre and SCIM configuration screen, as implemented in Hiweed Desktop 0.55.
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SimplyMEPIS 2004.02
A new version of SimplyMEPIS has been released: "MEPIS LLC has begun shipping SimplyMEPIS 2004.02. This revised version was produced in time to meet a deadline of Planete Linux magazine. It is the first version of SimplyMEPIS to include international support for British, French, German, Italian, and Spanish. The SimplyMEPIS 2004.02 CD contains 3 new themes released by the MEPIS Beautification Project. It adds support for the nForce2 250GB LANchip and g++ is preinstalled. The meauto hardware database has been updated. The latest version of the simplymepis package fixes a problem that prevented the MEPIS pool from taking precedence over the Debian pool." The announcement, changelog.
KANOTIX 08-2004
KANOTIX "Bug Hunter", version 08-2004, has been released with NX server and client, Reiser4 support, and improved installer. From the release notes: "Kernel 2.6.8.1 with Reiser4 support and other patches; better compression using squashfs; ACPI and DMA enabled by default; i586 optimization; 128MB RAM required, 256MB RAM recommended; AVM Fritz!Card DSL support (PCI and USB); Fritz!Card CAPI support; Eagle USB DSL support; Speedtouch USB support (PPPoE/A); KDE 3.3.0; OpenOffice 1.1.2 (Debian release); GRUB boot loader for CD start - ideal for rescue in command line mode; Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool in the extra menu of the boot loader...."
CentOS 3.3
CentOS 3.3 has been released: "CentOS 3.3 is available for general use. This is a complete rebuild of all the updated packages that Red Hat has included in the SRPMs of their Enterprise Linux 3 Update 3. The changed packages from update 3 are overlaid onto 3.1. This release includes a rebuilt Anaconda and new boot kernels for the installer. An update from 3.1 should be seamless. Simply, running 'yum update' should get all the latest packages from your local mirror repository. If you'd like to reinstall your system from scratch or install a new system you will need to download all new diskimages as the ones for 3.1 will not install from the 3.3 installation directories." Read the rest of the release announcement.
YES Linux 2.0.11
YES Linux 2.0.11 has been released. Changes: "Email is now fully functional and integrated. YES Mail uses Postfix, Courrier-IMAP, PostgreSQL, and SquirrelMail. There is a known bug when using a client side email application such as Outlook. The issue is with SASL which is enabled by default. By defaultwebmail is located at /webmail. Server side SPAM filtering. Web based Email Management located at /emailadmin and from YES Administration/admin under the Email tab...." This is the full announcement with changelog.
Source Mage GNU/Linux 0.9.2 (PPC)
A new release of the PowerPC edition of Source Mage GNU/Linux is now available: "I am proud to announce the new release 0.9.2-ppc ISO. What's new since 0.9.1-ppc ISO? Using a 2.6.8.1 kernel; NPTL; native support of udev; works better; yabootconfig from the installer works properly; mkreiserfs binary is no longer missing on the ISO so you can choose to create a ReiserFS partition; more complete keymap selection; you can do a 'cast linux' and select 2.6.8.1 kernel version (it wasn't possible with 2.6.5-rc3-ben0). Please check the README in the download directory. Have fun!" This is the full announcement.
CensorNet 3.3
The latest CensorNet Bulletin reports about the release of CensorNet 3.3: "At long last version 3.3 is available to download. There have been numerous features added, including support for Windows 2003 Active Directory, 2.6 Kernel, workstation control by IP address and a much improved BLUD processing speed. There is a changelog available here. To download CensorNet click here. Many thanks to all of those people who have helped with the BETA testing as well as our corporate customers who help fund this release." CensorNet is a Debian-based distribution with tools to control and monitor individuals accessing Internet resources on a LAN; find out more on the distribution'sproduct pages. CensorNet is free for home use, but registration is required before download.
Puppy Linux 0.9.4
Puppy Linux 0.9.4 has been released. From the release notes: "The big news for this release is the shsql SQL database backend with Quisp CGI program for use with a web server. Puppy currently has the nullhttpd web server. Quisp is setup and ready to go in Puppy, and example databases with mini-tutorials can be run directly from the 'Information managers/Quisp network SQL database' menu. Some documentation is to be found via the 'Help' menu, as always, including a 'HOWTO database' page that introduces Quisp and explains the layout of the Quisp/shsql/nullhttpd installation in Puppy. Another excellent new program is GTKSee, an image viewer, manager and slideshow...."
OnebaseGo 2.2
A new version of the OnebaseGo live CD has been released: "The Onebase Linux Project is pleased to announce a new version of OnebaseGo portable OS (2.2) with updated software that includes Xorg 6.8.1, Gaim 1.0, KDE 3.3.0 desktop suite, KOffice 1.3.2, GNOME 2.6.1, Fluxbox, IceWM, XFce 4 desktops all in one live CD. And also the latest version of Onebase software manager: OLM 3.1." Read the full release announcement, then visit the distribution's download page for details about obtaining the latest release of OnebaseGo.
A new version of the OnebaseGo live CD was released last week.
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Hiweed Desktop 0.55
After three quick beta releases, Hiweed Desktop 0.55 is out. Changes since version 0.3: the default kernel is now 2.6.8, but kernel 2.4.27 is also provided for hardware compatibility reasons; synchronised with the Debian Sarge branch; added a new control centre - hiweedconf; upgraded the SCIM Chinese input server to version 1.0, added two new input methods; replaced Xine with RealPlayer; X window is now started automatically, fixed many bugs. Read the full release announcement (in simplified Chinese).
Lormalinux 5 LTSP Server
The developers of Lormalinux continue to expand their product line with this release of Lormalinux 5 LTSP Server: "Lormalinux starts its line of server editions withits Lormalinux 5 LTSP Server. Lormalinux LTSP Server Edition combines the optimization, customization and features of Lormalinux 5 Workstation for low-powered thin client terminals ideal for classroom environment. Below is a short, simple, and easy to understand 'HOWTO" to make Lormalinux 5 LTSP Server work...." Read the rest of the release announcement.
Berry Linux 0.48
This is an updated release of Berry Linux, the first version shipping with the new X.org 6.8.1. From the changelog: "BerryLinux 0.48, based on Fedora Core 2 and Knoppix 3.6. Updates: kudzu 1.1.90, hwdata 0.132, X.Org 6.8.1, Fluxbox 0.9.10 (Fedora Core 2), K3B0.11.16, Mozilla 1.7.3 (Fedora Core 2, English), Firefox 1.0PR (English). Removed: Tgif 4.1.43." Berry Linux is an excellent Linux live CD based on Fedora Core, with support for English and Japanese. A 40-page slide show of a previous Berry Linux release was recently published by LinuxBeta.com.
Development and unannounced releases
Turkix - a Mandrakelinux-based distribution with support for Turkish and Azerbaijani.
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| Upcoming Releases and Announcements |
Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r3
Once again, Martin Schultze announced Preparation of the next stable Debian GNU/Linux update, or Debian Woody 3.0r3: "I am preparing the third revision of the current stable Debian distribution (Woody) and will infrequently send reports so people can actually comment on it and intervene whenever this is required. The plan is to release this revision at some time in the future, hopefully before the release of Sarge. It may be the last update if no updates to 3.0 are possible after Sarge has been released." The complete and updated document with a lot more detail is available here.
Source Mage GNU/Linux 1.0
The developers of Source Mage GNU/Linux are preparing for a meeting in early October to discuss the release of version 1.0: "We will be talking about our road map for the 1.0 release of Source Mage GNU/Linux. We will be looking for volunteers (both already working with SMGL and anyone who'd like to join) to select a task that is left and work with the rest of the SMGL team to complete it. Depending on how many volunteers we have we will also announce an ETA for the 1.0 release." Read the rest of the announcement for details.
Vidalinux Desktop OS 1.0
The Vidalinux Desktop OS project has announced a slight delay in the release of the much awaited Vidalinux 1.0, due to hurricane Jeanne cutting off power in homes across the Caribbean (Vidalinux is developed in Puerto Rico). The good news is that CD shipments to those who have pre-ordered the final release are expected to start later this week. Further information and details can be found on the project's home page. Vidalinux is a desktop-oriented Linux distribution based on Gentoo Linux, but with a very simple installation program - a port of Red Hat's Anaconda.
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Search by package version now available
Following countless requests for more powerful search features on DistroWatch, we are pleased to announce a new way of searching for distributions - by versions of included packages. If you've ever wanted a quick list of distributions that ship with the latest kernel, KDE, GNOME or any other of the 177 tracked packages, head for our search page. This is where you can select a desired package from a drop-down box, type the requested version number and press the submit button. After a few seconds, you will be presented with a list of distributions and their versions that include the specified package.
Many thanks to Ray Carter for developing the search scripts. As this is a new feature, please test it and report any bugs you might come across. As always, your suggestions for further improvements are more than welcome!
Wanted: nominations for September donation
September is coming to an end, so here is a quick reminder that we need some nominations for a Free Software project to receive our September donation. If you know of a project that would deserve a few hundreds of dollars towards its development, all you need to do is mention it in the forums below and explain briefly why you think the project should be considered for a donation. Thank you!
New distribution additions
New on the waiting list
- Hikarunix. Hikarunix is a Damn Small Linux-based live CD and the only operating system dedicated to Go. Go is the oldest pure strategy game in the world. It is known as Baduk in Korea and WeiQi in China where the game started somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 years ago. Today it is played in nearly every country in the world and has even been played in space.
- JULEX. JULEX is an Australian Knoppix-based live CD designed to be light on resources and easy to use.
Discontinued distributions
There is no point in keeping dead distributions around, so here is the list of those of them that are being relegated to the Discontinued Distributions page:
DistroWatch database summary
- Number of Linux distributions in the database: 338
- Number of BSD distributions in the database: 9
- Number of discontinued distributions: 40
- Number of distributions on the waiting list: 81
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1 • Gentoo (by Nick at 2004-09-27 11:59:10 GMT)
The Gentoo Linux community is one of the most professional opensource projects around. They have great forums, nearly 7000 up2date packages in portage, and top notch documentation. Please accept this nomination for the Spetember donation. Thank you.
2 • nomination (by CJ on 2004-09-27 12:11:26 GMT)
Gentoo doesn't seem to like to play nice with distros based on it. For that reason alone, I don't believe they deserve anything.
With all the buzz surrounding Ubuntu, why not give it to them?
3 • September donation (by Anonymous on 2004-09-27 12:19:08 GMT)
How about supporting XFCE (http://xfce.org). In my opinion it is really stable, usable and fast desktop environment matching both KDE and Gnome. It i snot a commercial project, so I believe those developers would really appreciate every € they can get.
4 • Donation (by KaZe on 2004-09-27 12:22:33 GMT)
I agree with the comment on XFCE, It's really a fine environment to use (even if i don't use it everyday).
I use it on a small machine, and it's really usable.
5 • September donation: XFCE (by Jack Malmostoso at 2004-09-27 12:26:03 GMT)
My vote goes to XFCE too: it is really a great project.
Think about them!
6 • Why? (by MIchael Massey at 2004-09-27 12:27:38 GMT)
I have been tracking and installing different Linux distros for years. I really would like to make the switch (and switch my family’s computers as well) but there are two main things that are stopping me. No, it is not games. It is not even the lack of apps its self. It is the fact that every one of the distros can not get fonts right in any browser that is included (or user downloaded browser). The other issue is the ability to install new apps and get them on the desk top or pull down menus easily with out having to go through many hoops.
When it comes to fonts in any browser, why is it that most web pages (and yes, many Linux web pages) had to have such tiny fonts as a default. I have read forums and manuals and help files and yes, I can get them (some what) to look reasonably readable. But why should I have do these tweaks? Can't all this tweaking be done before the distro goes out?
With app installation, every distro has there own way of doing it. Some work somewhat well and others take a PHD to install... Why? What will it take to have an easy, no brainer way of installing apps? I know there are a few paid distros that have their "ease of install, pay as you go" software install but can't there be a defacto standard of easy installation of any software for all distros?
Am I asking too much? Is Linux still an immature OS that these things are years away from happening? No Linux distro will ever be a "good" distro for the average Joe with these two things in the way.
7 • donations voting (by Mark on 2004-09-27 12:33:17 GMT)
XFCE or Enlightenment are my votes
8 • no problems here (by justin at 2004-09-27 12:41:43 GMT)
>The other issue is the ability to install new apps and >get them on the desk top or pull down menus easily >with out having to go through many hoops.
no problems here with Mdk 10 - apps are just added to the K menu when you install via urpmi
>When it comes to fonts in any browser
Konqueror on Mandrake 10 fonts are just fine out of the box.
> I know there are a few paid distros that have their >"ease of install, pay as you go" software install but >can't there be a defacto standard of easy installation >of any software for all distros?
Mandrake 10 - urpmi from the command line,
K menu -> System -> Configuration -> Packaging
for a gui version.
>Linux still an immature OS that these things are >years away from happening?
i really don't see what the problems are - not on the distro i'm using anyway.
9 • Why? (by Michael Valentine on 2004-09-27 13:20:14 GMT)
Have you tried Linspire, Lycoris or Xandros. They all offer easy to install software from repositories, great fonts, and are made for users coming from Windows.
10 • RE: XFce (by ladislav at 2004-09-27 13:27:28 GMT)
I can't find any donations button anywhere on the XFce web site. Anybody knows if they accept donations?
11 • @CJ (by Anonymous on 2004-09-27 13:30:07 GMT)
>> Gentoo doesn't seem to like to play nice with distros based on it.
1. Does RedHat playnaice when people rip it off?
2. Gentoo is opensource so people can take it and do what they want with, but they should not bother the Gentoo developers if they have a problem. Same as RedHat, Debian, or any other fork.
12 • Donation suggestion (by EEDOK on 2004-09-27 13:37:05 GMT)
Has the gcc project been donated to?
13 • Donation suggestion (by ladislav at 2004-09-27 13:45:36 GMT)
Has the gcc project been donated to?
No. This is the list of projects we have donated to: GnuCash, Quanta Plus, PCLinuxOS, GIMP, Vidalinux and Fluxbox.
14 • Donation (by Linux Freak! on 2004-09-27 14:25:05 GMT)
My vote goes to XFCE. It a really great desktop.
15 • Hikarunix (by Penguin on 2004-09-27 14:26:39 GMT)
"Hikarunix is a Damn Small Linux-based live CD and the only operating system dedicated to Go. "
Wow. This one is a must for go fans like me :)
Those interested to learn more about the oldest, best and the most beautiful strategy board game, you can take a look here: http://www.gobase.org/ But beware, you can get addicted...
16 • XFCE (by mike on 2004-09-27 14:29:23 GMT)
I _do_ use XFCE daily, and it suits me just fine on machines from a very creaky 266 MHz pentium II, to a new AMD 2800+ that spends about 99.9% of its time in the idle task, but was the cheapest thing I could find.
I actually like that they aren't trying to be another Windows (or at least, I don't think they are).
I do think highly of some of the gnome applications, it's my second desktop choice.
17 • the truth about gentoo (by butters at 2004-09-27 14:38:13 GMT)
I would say that vidalinux isn't playing nice with gentoo. They sync their portage trees with the same rsync mirror systems setup and maintained by the gentoo community. They didn't ask any of the gentoo devs if they could use their bandwidth and processor time, and quite frankly, I think that the vidalinux devs are the kind of people who wouldn't even think to ask.
On distrowatch we see projects come and go. Who knows if vidalinux or ubuntu will be relevent to the linux community this time next year. Seems to me that a distribution that uses the exact same packages as its parent but with a slightly better GPL installer, is doomed to be caught up to by the parent when they write a better installer. When it comes to community distributions, it is the infrastructure that matters. The legions of ebuild/deb/rpm hackers. The round-robbin of mirrors and repositories. The forum communities. The install-base. All the rest have is a downed webserver and broken english.
Don't believe the hype.
I'd also like to see some money go towards improving XFCE. With a more modern interface to its file manager, it could be better than GNOME on low-end or aging hardware.
18 • Donation Suggestion: k3b (by Anonymous on 2004-09-27 14:44:45 GMT)
I suggest k3b because its developers have "real" costs (namely all kinds of CDR and expensive DVD blanks) during the development of their software.
19 • donations (by Penguin on 2004-09-27 14:56:25 GMT)
One more vote to XFce.
Another good candidate might be Waimea window manager. It used to be a great, fast and pretty window manager, quite popular among advanced users too, but it's been a very long time since a new stable release. The code is now being totally rewritten which seems to take a lot time.
Waimea: http://freedesktop.org/software/waimea
Otherwise, I suggest all potential donaters to consider the fields where GNU/Linux needs development most and donating to those things (i.e. some desktop software).
About Ubuntu Linux: The project seems to have some very high calibre developers behind it, so I would take that project quite seriously (unlike Vida Linux?), like the similar UserLinux too. But it might be useful for projects like User Linux and Ubuntu to join forces more (why reinvent the wheel many times?)
20 • donation (by ray carter at 2004-09-27 15:11:22 GMT)
Hopefully the XFCE team monitors this page enough to see that they could be in for a welcome surprise. Perhaps a scheme can be set up so that each month the top three or four candidates are invited to present their case, and a final choice made on the reply. I hate, in a way, to have it come down to 'grant writing', but it could, at least, help determine which teams really need the cash. The absence of any donation info on XFCE's page tends to make me think that possibly they don't really have the need. I can sure see the requirements for a group like k3b or cdrecord.
Ladislav - thanks for posting the past recipients - that's good info.
21 • Donations (by Anonymous on 2004-09-27 15:21:18 GMT)
I suggest the lightweight Dillo browser for the September donation. There are no lightweight browsers that's without rendering problems. Dillo is the best among them, and a donation could help the Dillo team fixing the problems.
A better lightweight browser should be especially important in third world countries where the alternative on old hardware is Win9x+IE.
http://www.dillo.org/donations.html
22 • Gentoo (by Anonymous at 2004-09-27 15:22:39 GMT)
I aggree with that first statement. Gentoo is , despite their own opinion, the most stable of dists out there.
KB
http://os.gwos.org
23 • Donation: Onebase (by Michael Salivar at 2004-09-27 15:24:59 GMT)
Onebase in hopes that they'll stop making us hack their damned website just to check the size of the ISO.
24 • re: the truth about gentoo (by Stew on 2004-09-27 15:26:06 GMT)
I would say that vidalinux isn't playing nice with gentoo. They sync their portage trees with the same rsync mirror systems setup and maintained by the gentoo community. They didn't ask any of the gentoo devs if they could use their bandwidth and processor time, and quite frankly, I think that the vidalinux devs are the kind of people who wouldn't even think to ask.
Sorry, I don't quite follow. Gentoo users take up bandwidth from rsync mirrors just as do Vidalinux users. A Vidalinux user is, essentially, a Gentoo user. I mean, at least they're trying to fork Gentoo or something.
25 • Donation (by Isamoor at 2004-09-27 15:30:37 GMT)
My vote is also for Xfce. They make a great DE. Can't wait for 4.1.
K3B is also a great backup vote in my opinion. As mentioned, they do have to purchase blanks. And K3B is the only reason I have kdebase on my pc.
26 • donation (by jsaak at 2004-09-27 16:01:06 GMT)
my vote goes to wxWidgets
the best cross-platform GUI library
imho it should be a standard of some kind
27 • Donation (by foo on 2004-09-27 16:23:54 GMT)
Here's another vote for Xfce, a superb light desktop! Keep up the good work Olivier, hope you get a distrowatch bonus. Thanx for supporting the community, Ladislav.
foo
28 • XFCE Donation (by Tofu Bandit at 2004-09-27 16:41:32 GMT)
I vote for XFCE - though I can't find any donation info on their site either...
perhaps K3B can be considered for October?
29 • Gentoo (by Anonymous at 2004-09-27 17:02:31 GMT)
I aggree with that first statement. Gentoo is , despite their own opinion, the most stable of dists out there.
KB
http://os.gwos.org
30 • about double posts (by Penguin on 2004-09-27 18:36:25 GMT)
hmm... There seems to be quite a lot double messages on this forum often.
Ladislav: Could there be any chance to technically prevent people from double-posting their messages? It is too easy to press enter just after posting. Was it also that just refreshing the page - with the comment still showing on the text field - can cause a double post?
Sorry, I don't know PHP well enough to suggest a solution though. But I was thinkin that, for example, only pressing the "Submit comment" button publishes the comment but not just pressing Enter? Or that the same person cannot post another (= the same) comment within too short a time (like 10 seconds) - or something like that?
31 • Re: Donation: Onebase (by Anonymous on 2004-09-27 19:14:47 GMT)
You can PM me in the community forums if you have trouble accessing the page for which you have donated already. sorry for the inconvience - all4one
32 • donation (by johnleemk on 2004-09-27 19:27:30 GMT)
I vote for XFCE as well. They're brilliant.
33 • Donation: (by Anonymous Coward on 2004-09-27 21:14:59 GMT)
I vote for XFCE too... I use them alot, and they're a really great desktop.
34 • No subject (by anon on 2004-09-27 21:48:54 GMT)
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I guess xfce doesn't need money just donate it to world hunger...kinda like VIM. Oh well I still vote for XFCE only that is if they''ll accept it and and distribute evenly among their 17 developers.
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35 • Why call it Helix? (by Howard Coles at 2004-09-27 23:38:32 GMT)
Doesn't Real (of RealAudio) already have a "Helix" project with about that same logo? Why confuse the world and call your distro by the same name? Maybe I just don't get something here, but it seems that if you want people to clearly know who you are you come up with a unique name.
36 • Nomination for donation (by Ed Borasky at 2004-09-28 03:40:03 GMT)
Well, the momentum seems to be towards either Gentoo or XFCE. As you may know, I run mostly Gentoo and I'm a big fan. It was certainly my first choice for a nomination.
I think I'll throw one more project on the table ... Agnula. This is a Debian-based European distribution dedicated to audio. They used to have a Red Hat version, but I think that's gone by the wayside since the Red Hat/Fedora split. So ... Gentoo this month, XFCE next month, then Angula.
37 • Python or Quanta (by Al on 2004-09-28 04:05:29 GMT)
I hope that the donation goe sto Quanta or Python, these projects are simply incredible.
38 • Oops... (by Al on 2004-09-28 04:08:23 GMT)
I just read Quanta was actually donated to already, in that case I vote for KDE and Python. (GNOME's got enough cash comapred to KDE anyway. (sellouts j/k) :)
39 • Donation Nomination (by KnightFire on 2004-09-28 06:58:36 GMT)
My nominations would be for:
WideStudio
http://www.widestudio.org/EE/
Enlightenment
http://enlightenment.org/
XFce
http://www.xfce.org/
40 • XFCE and Demo Linux. (by Tariq on 2004-09-28 07:05:06 GMT)
My vote goes for XFCE and thanks Ladislav for selecting XFCE.
Oliver has been developing XFCE now for more then half decade with some code contributions from others and support from Moongroup.com [ Lunarlinux folk ]. Why there is no button for donations because Oliver believes in giving, he has proven that for all these years.
Agree! Oliver does not need DistroWatch donation for the survival of XFCE project.. IMHO Distrowatch donation is more about recognition and honour then the amount offered.
When it was decided to make donation it was never discussed that only those projects soliciting support will be considered.
Oliver has earned this let us inform him and it is for him to decide not us. If we recognize merit and honour those who have earned right to be honored this will enhance that stature of Distrowatch.
Next I will plead the case of Demo Linux.
Demo Linux is Live CD and only one which will work on PI with 32 MB ram [ Agree bit slow ] 48 Mb ram workable, 64 Mb Ram quite good.
It is against the very idea of Linux/Unix " do not fix if it is not broken" a live distro is different from installed one as it is more like an appliance.
There are no more new P1 boxes coming from factories but for lots of people in developing world they are getting the first computer and they are same PI. There is no other Live Distro which can work on hardware they can afford and let them try out a Live Distro. We should not deprive them.
I think in case of Demo Linux an exception could be made, its listing should be maintained for some more time. Now that we all are aware of problem, some thing could be done.
41 • K3b or BitTorrent (by Soloact at 2004-09-28 07:43:38 GMT)
My vote goes to K3b, for reasons mentioned by others, as well as an excellent tool for rescuing my friends' computer files via "Live" distros.
My 2nd choice would be BitTorrent, but since they sound like such a logical choice to me, I may be ignorant if they've already received the donation.
Just a note on my personal opinion:
My fave Live distro is Berry LInux, as it seems to boot on a larger variety of machines than Knoppix.
Also, about the new search by package, Way to go! I like it.
Suggestion for another search option, by platform such as x86-64, which is beginning to come of age.
Best to everyone!
42 • Visitors (by Marcel Gommans at 2004-09-28 11:51:26 GMT)
I noticed that allmost all the distro's have gotten less page hits in the distrowatch charts.
Are less people visiting distrowatch?
I hope not! I visit this page at least once a day to see what is going on in the wonderful world of linux!
Thanks Ladislav!
43 • Demolinux (by Marcel Gommans at 2004-09-28 11:58:26 GMT)
Sorry Tariq, but Demolinux seems to be discontinued!
44 • Please don't take this the wrong way..... (by FunkyMunky on 2004-09-28 12:14:31 GMT)
Great site. Great job. But.....
Any chance of cranking through the waiting list just a little bit faster? The minimum 90-day waiting period is getting to be a bit of a joke. The following distros have now been waiting over a year:
Locust Mesh AP Linux (submitted on 2003-07-11)
Sunrise Linux (submitted on 2003-07-20)
SPB-Linux (submitted on 2003-07-22)
GNUMafia (submitted on 2003-07-25)
HRID (submitted on 2003-08-19)
Salvare (submitted on 2003-08-22)
Navaho Linux (submitted on 2003-08-27)
DebToo (submitted on 2003-08-29)
Trinity Rescue Kit (submitted on 2003-09-26
45 • RE: Please don't take this the wrong way..... (by ladislav at 2004-09-28 12:23:55 GMT)
Any chance of cranking through the waiting list just a little bit faster?
How about helping out? If you'd like to have distribution listed soon, please go ahead and fill in the submission form:
http://distrowatch.com/submit
In most cases, your distribution will be listed within 24 hours.
But remember one thing: many projects start with great enthusiasm but fade away at the first hurdle. Just look through the web sites of some of those distributions that you listed and you'll see immediately what I mean.
46 • RE: Visitors (by ladislav at 2004-09-28 12:27:25 GMT)
I noticed that allmost all the distro's have gotten less page hits in the distrowatch charts.
That was caused by a glitch in one of the scripts yesterday - all hits generated after about 6am GMT were ignored - sorry about that. It was fixed today, shortly after midnight GMT.
47 • the growing waiting list (by FunkyMunky on 2004-09-28 12:41:52 GMT)
"How about helping out? If you'd like to have distribution listed soon, please go ahead and fill in the submission form:
http://distrowatch.com/submit
In most cases, your distribution will be listed within 24 hours."
We are approaching the one-year anniversary since I did this for the Xbox Debian (which is still healthy and has had at least one further release). I know much of the detailled information may have been absent (it's that long ago now that I don't know) but it is basically Debian tailored to the Xbox. There's not much more to be said.
It's kind of disheartening to watch the list get longer and the lagtime increase. While Xbox Debian may be niche, I suspect there is plenty over the 90 days mark that would be of interest to the majority of visitors.
If "90 days" is actually closer to "a year" in practice, maybe it'd be an idea to earmark some of the donations money being donated to get someone in to 'beast' the list and get it back down to a sensible level?
48 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-09-28 12:45:23 GMT)
Someone nominated SLAX last time. What happened to SLAX? No one has mentioned it. I nominate SLAX as it is a very robust live cd and it simply works great. If Slax does not win, I hope that k3b gets more mention and someday get something. It works great! And thanks to all the developers of the k3b team. I have not used XFCE, but many people say it is a great desktop. Either way, I hope that all good projects receive funds to continue in their quest to improve open source software and make this world a better place for all of us.
49 • RE: the growing waiting list (by ladislav at 2004-09-28 14:31:52 GMT)
If "90 days" is actually closer to "a year" in practice, maybe it'd be an idea to earmark some of the donations money being donated to get someone in to 'beast' the list and get it back down to a sensible level?
Hehe, a good one!
Now, instead of ranting and going around in circles, why don't you fill in the submission form? In full, please.
50 • Nomination (by John on 2004-09-28 16:02:19 GMT)
I think you should consider Arch LInux for the donation. This is in my opinion one of the most underrated distros in the entire linux world.
I have used Gentoo and like it, but Arch is really what people expect Gentoo should be.
Is there anybody that has tried this distro that hasn't loved it's simplicity and elegance.
Anybody agree?
51 • re: xfce (by arvan reese at 2004-09-29 04:18:06 GMT)
I definitely agree with all who suggested XFCE! I've used it everytime I compiled from source. XFCE and Mozilla compile quickly and allow me to tinker with Gnome, KDE or whatever. It's also a low resource user, so when I'm compiling a lot of anything, I use XFCE. They definitely put out a great product.
52 • Bittorent and fonts (by Andrew on 2004-09-29 04:47:40 GMT)
I'll second the nomination for bittorrent. I can't imagine not having bittorrent to download those huge distro .iso's, especially when they've just been released and the ftp servers are getting hammered.
And about the web browser fonts that were mentioned earlier... have you tried adjusting the preferences for your browser? I know i can scale the fonts anywhere from around 4pts (tiny) to giganticly unreadable sizes in Epiphany just by using the preferences dialog. Not only that, but the Bitstream Vera fonts look great.
53 • internet access (by Marty Young at 2004-09-29 16:54:59 GMT)
For us poor people/those that can't afford cable or dsl access/ how about donating to any group who can access aol or walmart dialups in linux so those of us who have low cost dialups can enjoy the use of our favorite os/linux online. Great site, from linux.org to groklaw and distrowatch is a great way to start the linux day. I use suse 9.1, slax and redhat and am enjoying many others. again good job Marty Young ct. usa never had any luck with pengy
54 • MDK 10.1 (by Lord-Storm on 2004-09-29 20:05:10 GMT)
Updates broken.................................OMG back to 10.0 I go
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