| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 66, 13 September 2004
Welcome to this year's 36th edition of DistroWatch Weekly. This week we'll bring you some information about delays in distribution releases, a phenomenon that is increasingly commonplace, and we also introduce the recently released SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9. Enjoy!
Fedora and Mandrakelinux delayed, FreeBSD on schedule
We have previously talked about the delay in the release of Lycoris Desktop/LX 1.4; a couple of last-minute bugs have succeeded in postponing the release by nearly a month now. But Lycoris is not the only distribution finding itself under release pressure. It is becoming a common feature of the Linux distribution scene that the expected release dates are just rough estimates and they rarely mean much. Of course, few people will object to postponing a product release if the alternative is to receive a distribution with nasty known bugs.
The second test release of Fedora Core 3, originally scheduled for today, won't happen until at least a week later - that's according to this message: "Due to various issues with candidate trees so far, Test 2 has been pushed out one week, to September 20th." The Fedora release schedule has been updated accordingly. If you are disappointed with the decision, a good way to kill some time is to read this 24-page document (in PDF format) by Colin Charles entitled "Fedora Core 3 - what's new with Test 2 (really also RHEL4) and the community".
In the meantime, Mandrakelinux 10.1 has fallen behind its release schedule by some 6 weeks now. Despite the already considerable delay, there is talk on the Cooker mailing list about one more release candidate (RC2) before the final 10.1 "Community" edition is made available to those with Mandrakeclub membership cards. It now looks increasingly likely that the "Official" edition won't be ready until at least the middle of October, putting a strain on Mandrakesoft to get the "PowerPack" boxes ready in time for the Christmas holiday season.
For those who are impatiently waiting for Sarge to become stable, Debian Planet has published an update on the developers' progress towards the stable Debian 3.1. While the article doesn't dare to venture a release date guess, many readers speculate that Sarge won't be out until at least October or November, if not later. But we know that KDE 3.3 won't make it, although the latest 2.4 and 2.6 kernels should both be in.
In contrast, the development of FreeBSD 5.3 appears to be on track. BETA4 was released late on Sunday, only two days behind the schedule. The ports tree is now frozen as work continues with the goal of producing two release candidates before FreeBSD final is released to public on 3 October. As this is one of the most significant FreeBSD releases in years, those intended to migrate their FreeBSD 4 installations will enjoy this FreeBSD 5.3-BETA Migration Guide, describing some of the most important changes between the two branches. Armed with the knowledge, any upgrade to FreeBSD 5 should be a piece of cake!
Speaking about ports (and portage), the developers of Gentoo Linux have released a new x86 Minimal LiveCD, version 2004.2-r1, meant to correct a known bug: "Gentoo has become aware of a problem that many people are having booting the 2004.2 Minimal LiveCD for x86. To combat these problems, Release Engineering has created a new experimental install-x86-2004.2-r1-minimal.iso image. This ISO image is a recreated 2004.2 CD that was rebuilt to solve the problem of certain buggy BIOS versions not booting the Minimal LiveCD." Find out more on the distribution's home page. On a related note, if you happened to notice a slight disruption in production of the regular Gentoo Weekly Newsletter (GWN), it was due to the resignation of the newsletter's editor Yuji Kosugi.
Fans of the Knoppix live CD will be intrigued to learn that Klaus Knopper has released Knoppix 3.7. Unfortunately, this is one of those special editions, exclusively designed for a computer magazine and not available for free download. Nevertheless, it comes with some interesting features: "A new exclusive release of Knoppix with a configurable 'firewall on CD' (including masquerading and proxy features) is now available in the German edition 10/04 of PC-WELT." Read more about Knoppix 3.7 at Knoppix.com.
Finally, a note on UserLinux, which made it into headlines of many news sites last week, despite releasing nothing more than a 4.5MB beta installation CD. From what we've seen, there doesn't yet seem to be much revolutionary about the project that aims to produce a Debian-based distribution for the enterprise. The product will come with commercial support to entice those customers that would not consider a freely available distribution, such as Debian itself. We will revisit the project later, once most of the pieces are together and when the project has a more presentable web site than the one currently consisting of (frequently defaced) Wiki pages. Have any of you installed UserLinux yet? If so, what are your impressions? Please discuss below.
Some people would do anything to flaunt their OS preference (spotted in Bratislava, Slovakia).
|Featured Distribution of the Week: SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server
SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9
Some of the readers might be surprised by the inclusion of an enterprise-class distribution in this column - if that's the case then remember that it has been our policy to cover all distribution, irrespective of whether they are large or small, commercial or freely available.
Besides, SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server (SLES) 9 represents a bold step by Novell to counter the overwhelming dominance of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) on the North American market. Clearly, Novell has been impressed by Red Hat's recent financial results and wants a piece of the pie for itself.
Marketing issues aside, SLES 9 is currently the most advanced enterprise-class server on the market. It is built on top of SUSE LINUX 9.1 with kernel 2.6.5, but includes many enhancements, especially in the area of security and privacy, as well as support for some of the Novell's own technologies. Processor support has also been extended and SLES 9 is available for AMD64 (Athlon and Opteron), Intel's EM64T, Intel's IA-64 (Itanium), and IBM's Power, zSeries and S/390 processors. Pricing (starting at US$349 per system with up to two processors, per year) is roughly comparable with RHEL and a 30-day trial edition of SLES 9 can be downloaded for free from Novell.com.
Find out more about SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 on SUSE's product pages, from this Technical Feature List (PDF format) and from the first reviews at eWEEK and Linux Weekly News (the latter is for subscribers only until Thursday).
SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 - the most advanced enterprise class server on the market
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|Released Last Week
Berry Linux 0.47
A new version of Berry Linux, a Fedora-based live CD with support for Japanese and English, is now available: "Berry Linux 0.47 released. Changelog: kernel 2.6.8 + devfs; KDE 3.3.0 (Fedora Core 2/stable); OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 (Japanese and English); GIMP version 2.0.4 (GNU Image Manipulation Program); K3B 0.11.13; Mozilla 1.7.2 (Fedora Core 2/English); Firefox 0.9.3 (English)." Read the full changelog and visit the newly redesigned web site of Berry Linux for additional informationabout the project.
This is the latest release of DNALinux, a SLAX-basedlive CD with bioinformatics applications: "At GenesDigitales we are proud to announce the last version of DNALinux. This version includes one of most requested features: programming languages like C, Perl and Python. Now DNALinux users can compile programs. Another requested feature included is the Java Runtime Environment (JRE). A Java-based bioinformatics program is included: Apollo, a DNA sequence editor and viewer. Since JRE is now part of DNALinux expect more JAVA based bioinformatics software. Regarding bioinformatics, DNALinux now includes sim4 a program to align cDNA and genomic DNA." See the rest of the announcement for details.
Version 2004 of the increasingly popular SimplyMEPIS distribution is now officially announced and released: "MEPIS LLC has begun shipping SimplyMEPIS 2004, a complete desktop Linux. SimplyMEPIS 2004 utilizes a solid foundation codebase from the Debian Project for reliability and includes the KDE 3.2.3 desktop,OpenOffice.org 1.1.2, Mozilla 1.7.2, Skype, GIMP 2, Xine, and many other applications to give the desktop user everything needed to quickly become productive in the SimplyMEPIS desktop Linux environment. The selection of applications, ease of installation, and automatic hardware detection can be appreciated by professionals, enthusiasts and beginners alike. SimplyMEPIS includes two ready to run Linux kernels, 2.4.26 which may be more compatible with older hardware and 2.6.7 which contains new features." Read the rest of the press release.
The much awaited SimplyMEPIS 2004 finally released!
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Buffalo Linux 1.4
Buffalo Linux 1.4.1 has been released: "Buffalo 1.4.1 is a bug fix and minor update to 1.4.0. The main new features are the new 18.104.22.168 kernel builds. These now include some generic SCSI support. This is required to support USB storage devices, etc. Also included are over 20 base package upgrades and 3 extra package upgrades. Some upgraded packages are: Scribus 1.2, Qt 3.3.3, Samba 3.0.6, and GAIM 0.82.1. An upgrade bundle package is available to move from Buffalo 1.4.0 to 1.4.1." The full announcement can be found on the distribution's home page.
Puppy Linux 0.9.3
A new version of the small, but full-featured Puppy Linux live CD is out. From the release notes: "Puppy is now upgraded to the 2.4.27 Linux kernel. A lot more driver modules are now in Puppy, especially Ethernet card drivers, and the Ethernet/network wizard has been updated. Wireless networking drivers are also included, with a view to future support. There has been a major structural change in Puppy since v0.9.2. Previously, the file image.gz contained all of Puppy (and file vmlinuz is the Linux kernel operating system), however image.gz is now split into two files, image.gz and usr_cram.fs. The latter was previously inside image.gz. File usr_cram.fs is the compressed contents of the entire /usr folder...."
Damn Small Linux 0.8.1 and 0.8.1.1
This is another new release of Damn SmallLinux, with the following changes: "Added 'Make USB edition' to tools menu; enhanced mkmydsl script to pass boot timeoptions to CD; new filetool GUI front-end to file backup and restore; enhanced dslpanel, added printer setup and new filetool GUI; enhanced mydslgui, supports more network types; enhanced filetool.sh, simplify device, works with USB pen drive (sda1); enhanced mydsl-load, supports runlevel 2; fixed changing passwords on live CD." Read the rest of the changelog for further details.
DeLi Linux 0.6.1
Continuing the sudden rush of mini distribution releases is the DeLi Linux project with version 0.6.1. From the changelog: "Fixed liloconfig/simple bug that causes liloconfig always to assume that /dev/hda1 is the root partition; fixed permission problems on some /dev files; added an 'Install all' option to delipkg; added the beginning of 'delibook'; upgraded packages: SQLite 3.0.6; PHP 5.0.1; Dillo 0.8.2; IceWM 1.2.16; Sylpheed 0.9.12; OpenSSH 3.9p1...." Visit the distribution's home page to find out more about this Slackware-based distribution designed to run on older computers.
This is a new release of kmLinux, a SUSE-based distribution developed by Germany's Landesbildungsserver Schleswig-Holstein in cooperation with Verein Freie Software und Bildung e.V. (Union for Free Software and Education). It is designed for use in educational institutions. Version 5.0 is based on SUSE LINUX 9.1 with kernel 2.6.5,but it has several newly upgraded packages, such as KDE 3.3.0 and Scribus 1.2. Other noteworthy packages include OpenOffice 1.1.1, Mozilla 1.7.2, Freemind 0.7.1, QCad 2.0.3, as well as Lazarus (Pascal) and Eric (Python) development environments. See the full changelog (in German) for further information.
A new version of the Inside Security Rescue Toolkit (INSERT) is now available: "This is mainly a bugfix and package update release. A bit of testing has been done to ensure things are working as they should. Many packages were updated, a few tools were added. A script to create boot floppies was re-added. There is a new windows tools folder outside the compressed image. It contains unzip.exe and putty.zip for a start." Read the rest of thechangelog to get the full scoop on all the changes in this release.
Plamo Linux 4.01
Following the June release of Plamo Linux 4.0, the first update of the 4.0 code base has now been released for download. Version 4.01 provides mostly bug and security fixes, including a fix to xfplamoconfig, which is Plamo's X Window configuration program. The kernel has been upgraded to version 2.4.27, while KDE has been upgraded to version 3.2.3 + security patches. The distribution's home page has more details about the changes (in Japanese).
Slo-Tech Linux 2.0.1
A new version of Slo-Tech Linux was announced earlier this week. Despite the small version increment, this Morphix-based desktop distribution from Slovenia has undergone many changes since version 2.0. Besides the usual bug fixes, several packages have been upgraded, including KDE, OpenOffice.org, Scribus and the NVIDIA driver. Interestingly, the ISO image includes several open source applications for Windows, such as OpenOffice.org, Firefox and Thunderbird, all localised into Slovenian. See the release announcement (in Slovenian) for further details and download locations.
Ignalum Linux 9
Ignalum Linux 9 has been released: "The official release of Ignalum Linux 9, code-named Yarrow, is now available. We're exceptionally pleased with the advancements made in this release and hope our users will feel the same. Ignalum Linux OS version 9 is an intuitive graphical environment that works right out of the box and offers unrivalled compatibility with Microsoft Windows. This new release is one of the most advanced and powerful Linux systems currently available...." Read the full announcement.
Development and unannounced releases
|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
The developers of Russia's ASP Linux have announced a delay of the next version of their distribution. They are concerned that the testing nature and the rapidly evolving Fedora Core tree are detrimental to the stability of Fedora Core, upon which ASP Linux is based. As a result of this, a new release, originally planned for early July of this year, will be rescheduled for the beginning of Q4 2004. This should allow for more rigorous testing of the distribution, thus preserving the quality and reputation of ASP Linux. The full press release is available here (in Russian).
Hancom Linux 4.0
Korea's Hancom Linux has also issued a press release concerning the much delayed Hancom Linux 4.0. The beta testing of the new version began in February this year and the final release was expected in June. However, due to many complex issues, including the company's financial problems and change of management, the development was temporarily put on hold. Now it seems that these issues have been resolved and Hancom Linux 4.0 is back on track, due to be released in October 2004. If you understand Korean, you can read the relevant press releases here and here.
|Web Site News
New distribution additions
New on the waiting list
DistroWatch database summary
- H3Knix. H3Knix is a small desktop Linux distribution. It provides a custom package management system based on "capsules", which allow the user to select the functionality they require (e.g., "Dial-up Internet access"), and it will automatically retrieve all required applications, including relevant dependencies.
- Nitix Autonomic Linux. Designed with autonomic computing features and leveraging the reliability and performance of Linux, Net Integration Technologies' Nitix is a server operating system that sets new standards in stability, security, affordability and ease-of-use for small to mid-sized businesses. Nitix provides a complete business server solution with messaging and collaboration, backup, security-enhanced Internet access and protected data storage, helping you to increase connectivity and productivity.
- Number of Linux distributions in the database: 334
- Number of BSD distributions in the database: 9
- Number of discontinued distributions: 35
- Number of distributions on the waiting list: 81
|DistroWatch in the News
Linux Distribution Chooser 0.2
Last week, we have received a large number of hits from tuxs.org and the site's Linux Distribution Chooser which is now at version 0.2: "Need help deciding which Linux distribution to try? Then maybe you need the (:^ tuxs.org) Linux Distribution Chooser! (Now version 0.2!)" The developers of the Chooser were kind enough to link to the relevant distribution pages on DistroWatch for further information - much appreciated!
DistroWatch backup server
A reader at the OSNews phorum wonders what happened to DistroWatch last weekend and has a suggestion for us:
"If I owned a website at popular as DistroWatch I would at least get a cheap backup computer with just Linux and Apache and a single html page with nothing on it but text stating why the main website is down...."
Well, we don't have a cheap back up computer, but we do have 9 active mirrors. In case you cannot access DistroWatch.com, this is what you should do:
We do try our best to keep the site going, but things happen - like the hurricane in Florida last weekend causing loss of power at the hosting company in Tampa, or the unexpected DNS change by our DNS provider just before that. In case something similar happens again, visit one of the mirrors, which are listed on the bottom of every page.
- Go to Google.com and type "distrowatch" into its search engine.
- Once the search result is returned, DistroWatch should be listed on the very top of the page. Don't click on the link itself, but rather on the word "Cached". This will take you to a snapshot of DistroWatch's index page as cached by Google at some point in the recent past.
- Scroll down to the bottom of the page. There you will find a list of all existing mirrors, most of which synchronise with the main DistroWatch site once every hour. Visit any of them and browse to your heart's content.
That's all for this week. Happy Linuxing and see you again next Monday!
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|Reader Comments • Jump to last comment
1 • excellent (by alet austria at 2004-09-13 15:58:25 GMT) |
keep up the excellent
work you have been doing
for the Linux community
and a linux nut like me
2 • Desktop/LX 1.4 (by maceto on 2004-09-13 16:40:35 GMT)
Eighter they are dumb, have no what so ever CRM/marketing knowlegde or BROKE.
Cause this is just lame in terms of not having the people waithing for it to help, let us know more etc.
3 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-09-13 17:50:31 GMT)
Re: SuSE Advanced Server
A server, especially a UNIX server, should NOT come with a complicated, crash prone GUI. 0.02$
4 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-09-13 17:50:58 GMT)
PS: I'm talking about X itself, not KDE.
5 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-09-13 19:13:33 GMT)
Even if a server doesn't need a "crash-prone" GUI in your eyes, many people like it, including myself as I have been testing SLES 9 for about a month now. It seems to be rock solid, and, of course, if you don't like the GUI, get rid of it. It's that simple. However, the GUI really does make administration MUCH simpler, especially with Samba which is somewhat of a pain to configure.
6 • so easy, so painfully easy- this is a nifty cmd also for nvidia modules install (by maceto on 2004-09-13 20:03:28 GMT)
/sbin/telinit is linked to /sbin/init. It takes a one-character argument and signals init to perform the appropriate action. The following arguments serve as directives to telinit:
0,1,2,3,4,5 or 6
tell init to switch to the specified run level.
tell init to process only those /etc/inittab file entries having runlevel a,b or c.
Q or q
tell init to re-examine the /etc/inittab file.
S or s
tell init to switch to single user mode.
U or u
tell init to re-execute itself (preserving the state). No re-examining of /etc/inittab file happens. Run level should be one of Ss12345, otherwise request would be silently ignored.
telinit can also tell init how long it should wait between sending processes the SIGTERM and SIGKILL signals. The default is 5 seconds, but this can be changed with the -t sec option.
7 • hurricanix (by crawancon at 2004-09-13 21:55:41 GMT)
greetings from tampa. its nice to see that once power is restored, internet is back up, and trees are cleared out that idistrowatch is still up. ahhhhhh. glad to see the distro season is going much smoother then this crappy hurricane season. power failures? ha! Even without my ups, if a power surge happens and the worst case scenario happens (hard disk failure) i can still plop in a CD and get my shell fix.
8 • Ignalum CD1 weird (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-09-13 23:11:04 GMT)
Has anyone here installed Ignalum Yarrow? I can't seem to download a CD1 from anywhere that matches the MD5 sums, and when I try to burn anyway it mismatches the ISO I burned from...
the Ignalum Yarrow disc 1 that I download is 655,446,420 bytes, but the Ignalum site says it's supposed to be 655,472,640 bytes...
9 • Unix Wallpaper (by anonymous on 2004-09-13 23:20:19 GMT)
That's a hot wallpaper! Does anyone know where I could get it?
10 • More bashing of people (by Ticked on 2004-09-13 23:36:50 GMT)
maceto - you obviously never actually read anything - just take things at face value. Lycoris announced a while ago now that 1.4 is shipping - it's all over their sites. They were even giving a daily update for a while there. Distrowatch has missed this apparently.
You probably jumped on the bandwagon with Distrowatch bashing KDE last week, too. I noticed that as soon as the comments started going 2-1 against Distrowatch saying KDE 3.3 was the buggiest ever that no one could post comments any longer.
I wonder why people couldn't post comments in last week's Distrowatch Weekly after a certain time? And why did he take it off the front page after only 2 days instead of leaving it up for the normal week? Probably because everyone got sick of the sensationalism.
Back off, people. It's GOOD for companies like Mandrake and Lycoris to miss deadlines if they find bugs. KDE 3.3 is good - but 3.3.1 might be even better.
11 • RE: More bashing of people (by ladislav at 2004-09-14 01:32:59 GMT)
I wonder why people couldn't post comments in last week's Distrowatch Weekly after a certain time?
Sorry about that - I reconfigured Apache last week (to always redirect to distrowatch.com instead of www.distrowatch.com) and forgot to update the script on this page; I only discovered the problem last night. Please don't look for any sinister reasons - this forums is here to provide free exchange of opinions and you are more than welcome to disagree with mine.
12 • KDE 3.3 is fine on my Gentoo system (by Ed Borasky at 2004-09-14 01:55:27 GMT)
KDE 3.3 showed up in the Gentoo "stable" distribution a day or so ago. So I installed it and I haven't had any problems at all with it. I was running it for a few weeks when it was in "testing" with no problems either.
13 • Lycoris Desktop/LX 1.4 (by ladislav at 2004-09-14 02:41:20 GMT)
Lycoris announced a while ago now that 1.4 is shipping
I am posting this from Lycoris Desktop/LX 1.4 and my first impressions are indeed very good. It looks like it was worth the wait, after all :-)
14 • lycoris as a company (by lugnut on 2004-09-14 03:42:51 GMT)
i'm not interested in starting a war of words with you Ticked, but maceto does have a point, though he could have put it across a little more eloquently.
[long and rambling post alert!]
Lycoris has imho evolved from a community oriented company to a ‘take-it-or-leave-it’ one, or at least that is the general impression from a couple of recent incidents. For example, when update 3 came out, the company decided out of the blue to only offer free downloads of the evaluation edition of their latest offering as well as no downloads of their devtools and source code. Now don’t get me wrong here, the issue is NOT whether they have the right to change their policy, but it was how they did it that caused an uproar (http://www.lycoris.org/viewtopic.php?topic=9187&forum=33&start=0).
Consider this; you have a bunch of community folk who sweated blood working out bugs, working on misc coding, and giving back to the distro in whatever form they can, who are suddenly left out of the loop when the company decides to go the commercial route. And this is AFTER the VP of marketing for the company had made it clear that they were against such a policy. Take a gander at this:
[REDMOND, WA (July 4, 2001) - Redmond Linux, Corp., is making a very firm stand on this issue of pay-per-download and per-seat licensing - we're against it. You will always be able to download the ISO images of Redmond Linux; you will always be able to get support from the mailing lists.
Rick Collette, VP of Marketing for Redmond Linux states, "It just doesn't ring right with us that people are over-capitalizing on the Linux distributions. We don't want to be know with the groups that are committing
Linucide, we want to be known as the group who really likes what they do, and do it well."
Our goal is simple: We wish to provide a top-notch Linux Distribution that is EASY to use, easy to support, and comes with NO HIDDEN STRINGS ATTACHED. When you buy or download Redmond Linux, you will get the FULL VERSION, nothing chopped down. When you buy or download Redmond Linux you WILL get support. Buying it give you some additional support, downloading gives you free support online and a path to purchase support if you need to. There are not now, nor will there ever be Per-Seat Licenses. You will not have to pay to download an ISO image. There will not be a charge to get help via the mailing list. These are the things that have always set the Linux Community apart from the other camp, and we feel the culture should be maintained.]
No doubt that Joseph cheek, founder of Lycoris, says that this was submitted without his approval (http://www.lycoris.org/viewtopic.php?topic=9187&forum=33&start=40) but note that he says this AFTER the change in policy to go commercial, 2 YEARS after the statement was made. If he disagreed with the statement, why not rebut it when it came out?
Again, let me make it clear. A company should have the right to change their policy at any time they wish, but they should do so by being fair to the community that has made the company what it is. You can’t make what is seen by the community as a promise today, and then shift your policy tomorrow without forewarning and making an announcement AFTER somebody questions the sudden shift, and then expect no uproar.
Joseph, in his attempt to make it clear that he owes the community no explanation for his decision, has shown how arrogant the company and its decision makers were becoming. Take a look at his reply to the community here (http://www.lycoris.org/viewtopic.php?topic=9187&forum=33&start=40) and you’ll see what I mean.
And in an attempt to kill all debate, Robbie_n, a nice fellow in an unenviable position as Community Liaison, had to come out with these announcements:
“With regards to the changes to the Evaluation policy, we ask that you live with our decision – what is done is done. The new policy may not have been taken or announced in the most appropriate manner, but it will stand.”
“I have a request from the company that I would ask you to honor. All statements by company employees on this website made before 11/16/03 should be considered unofficial and non-binding.”
after all was said and done, and after the loss of a few good community members (and dare I say a few desktop l/x users), things settled down and life was good once again. At least until the recent debacle concerning the release of desktop l/x 1.4 that is.
After making an announcement of the release date of 1.4 and taking pre-orders, the company just clammed up. When the release date came and went, and no cd came in the mail, the community started questioning what was going on. Again, there were NO announcements made of the sudden delay in shipping until people started fretting (http://www.lycoris.org/viewtopic.php?topic=11851&forum=74). It was only then did lycoris come out with the reason for the delay.
Is this really how they treat their community members, and worse, their paying customers? How do they think this makes them look to potential converts to their distro? They keep touting themselves as “the leader in desktop linux”, but they seem to forget that goodwill is an important aspect for the survival of any company, more so to one that makes linux their core business and believes that they are (or should be) the leader in their market.
To the Lycoris diehards; ignore me, dismiss me, I really don’t give a flying penguin. But at least realize that the company needs to take a serious look at themselves. open communication, honesty and integrity. These are what seems to be lacking in Lycoris as a company today.
Btw, in case you are wondering, I’ve been a desktop l/x user since way back when it was still known as Redmond linux. I may not be active in the community forums, but I’m always lurking around there.
Ok, I’ve said my piece. I’ll shut up now.
15 • Ignalum CD1 weird part 2 (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-09-14 03:51:55 GMT)
the Ignalum site notes the incorrect size of CD 1, and they're in the process of fixing it
16 • OSS Piracy (by Anonymous on 2004-09-14 05:07:06 GMT)
Interestingly in Malaysia:
17 • Distro chooser (by EEDOK at 2004-09-14 05:18:43 GMT)
The distro chooser still seems incomplete and lacking, maybe I'll make a backend ot this set of questions to choose a distro:
18 • Damn Small Linux site hacked? (by KnightFire on 2004-09-14 05:46:44 GMT)
Ah... has the Damn Small Linux site been hacked? The main page says:
f***ing destroyed by skopjec and Peur2Rien
And thus another question... is DSL 0.8.1.1 real?
Peace and Long Life,
19 • No subject (by dreamer on 2004-09-14 05:57:14 GMT)
the damn small linux site seems fine to me...
and the current version is listed as 0.8.1.1
20 • Lugnut (by Jim at 2004-09-14 16:46:03 GMT)
Hmmm. Sounds like something Egon would say...
21 • Good work. (by benn at 2004-09-14 17:10:15 GMT)
I just wanted to let all know how great distrowatch has been for me. I tried many a distro based on the info here, and finally settled on my fave Arch, also from these pages. thanks!
22 • Lugnut (by pulidzz on 2004-09-14 19:59:48 GMT)
I share your feelings man.
23 • Lugnut (by Michael_Valentine on 2004-09-15 00:46:18 GMT)
I'm with you 100% on the Lycoris issue. Don't forget to mention that if you voice your opions about the company you get moderated, censored and even your posts deleted or edited. I have spend many $ supporting this Distro and many others since 1998 and have never been treated like I have been at Lycoris. As a company offering a product or service Lycoris has to learn that the customer is always right even if they don't agree.
24 • Distro chooser (by Chestbursted on 2004-09-15 06:26:19 GMT)
The distro chooser 0.2 is quite much better than the first one, but it still gave me Mandrake 3rd time I filled it :(... First one was Gentoo (which I am using) and second was Debian (which I am considering to install on a friends server).
EEDOK's questions are quite much better, but the distro chooser gives some kind of direction...
25 • Mepis (by deeLer on 2004-09-15 07:45:09 GMT)
I've tried Mepis, I'm impressed. It seems a very mature and solid distro.
To everyone who likes to check out distro's: don't forget to test this one !!!!
26 • Mepis registration levels (by pfpearson on 2004-09-15 12:19:03 GMT)
I had to smile when looking at the Mepis site. "Lobster Dinner Registration" "Steak Dinner Registration" ? :-)
27 • Michael Valentine (by Tim on 2004-09-15 21:30:17 GMT)
Apparently this is one of those people who doesn't read well. Didn't know Lycoris was even around in 1998 - right on the company page it says 2000. Apparently he's making up stuff to discredit Lycoris.
The customer isn't always right - this Michael Valentine loser is a Linspire fanboy - go look over at the Linspire forum pages. Looks like he's just causing trouble because he likes Linspire. That's not what Linux is about.
Maybe Valentine ought to start his OWN Linux - but I doubt he's got any knowhow if he can't graduate past Linspire.
As a company, Lycoris doesn't have to take every single customer's point of view into account, especially when that person is a known Linspire troll.
Give it a rest, fanboy.
Even Ladislav commented that it was worth the wait for Lycoris 1.4, and he reviews everything.
Glad to see Ladislav doesn't bow to every customer - he just puts out quality!
28 • Tim (by Michael_Valentine on 2004-09-16 00:20:24 GMT)
Sorry Tim, I did not mean I been using Lycoris since 1998, but Linux. Yes I have been verbal with Lycoris, with good reason. If all my comments had not been censored or erased people could judge for themself. Now your verbal attacks don't offend me since it just shows what you are made of. You will also find me on the Xandros, Libranet forums and I'm a huge fan of Buffalo Linux. The thing I like about other forums such as Linspire for example is that you can point out negative things about the company without being censored or banned, heck I found it just to be the opposite...they welcome the critice to improve upon the product or the way they handle business. Take care Tim, have fun bashing honest posters...no hard feelings here. Tell Rus hello! :)
29 • Tim (by DanQ on 2004-09-16 02:27:58 GMT)
seems clear that Michael was referring to linux in general in his post (note he said "this Distro and many others since 1998").
and why is it that when another person does not subscribe to your point of view he automatically becomes a "loser"? granted, i don't know michael, and i don't know you, so i don't know what history the two of you have together, but doesn't he have the right to have his own opinion, even if it is quite the opposite to yours?
and in response to your rather distasteful name calling, wouldn't it be fair to call you a 'lycoris fanboy' and a 'lycoris troll' due to your somewhat fanatical response to a valid criticism (IMHO) of lycoris as a company?
and what is wrong with linspire? i think both lycoris d l/x and linspire are great products, each with their own strength and weaknesses (though must admit i use debian myself). all the criticism i see here seems to be directed at lycoris as a company and not its product.
to be honest, most criticism against lycoris i come across seems to be directed at the company and not the product (take a look at the comments on news pieces appearing on osnews).
ever hear the saying "there's no smoke without fire"?
30 • Re: Distro Chooser (by rreigh at 2004-09-16 03:06:17 GMT)
I tried EEDOK's distro chooser, but it didn't work for me. I filled out the form, clicked submit, and ... nothing -- no results, just a blank form.
31 • Distrowatch Slogan (by Vince on 2004-09-16 03:36:39 GMT)
just noticed the changed slogan for distrowatch:
"Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD."
i'm sure all the bsd users out there really appreciate the recognition, ladislav. thanks.
32 • Re: Re: Distro Chooser (by EEDOK at 2004-09-16 04:22:22 GMT)
it goes nowhere as the backend hasn't been made yet, I'd need a better host with some +bandwidth, and php support, but yea if people are interested in starting a project of a distro chooser, mail me and maybe I might take some time out of my busy schedule and put it towards the chooser
33 • Distrowatch slogan (by Tom Mydosh at 2004-09-16 04:37:13 GMT)
Why not "BSD/Linux" ?
It sounds better (at least in English), alphabetical, and more historically correct.
34 • RE: Distrowatch slogan (by ladislav at 2004-09-16 06:09:27 GMT)
Why not "BSD/Linux" ?
It's a possibility. But I am not in favour of using the slash - what does a slash represent? And? Or? Both? Or something else? The slash is also interpreted differently in different countries, while the comma has a more universal meaning across the globe. As for the order, yes, BSD should be in front, but Linux is just so much bigger nowadays that it made sense to put it first.
35 • Distrowatch in general (by Glen aka noprob at 2004-09-16 07:34:57 GMT)
It is a pleasure to view the many different distro's of GNU/Linux.
as a n00b to linux it has been a great help to adjust.
Thank You distrowatch.com!
36 • Request corrections (by d00m3d on 2004-09-16 12:00:12 GMT)
Pls allow me to draw your attention on the LFS page in distrowatch.com. Many download links in the table in http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lfs are not valid. In fact, the release date of 5.1on 2005/05/16 in "Complete Release History" does not make sense.
Pls amend relevant corrections.
37 • Linare Linux (by Glenn E. (Retired Old Man) at 2004-09-17 01:22:12 GMT)
Please be advised that Linare Linux "automatically" installs the boot loader into the MBR. At least, I sure didn't see any options during installation. Most other distros (Mephis, SUSE, Libranet, Vector to name a few I've tried) give you a choice of MBR or root partition, but not Linare. It screwed me up real bad because I run V-Com's System Commander for OS Selection, and I had to reinstall all my OS's over again from scratch. Really irritating!! And not only that, but Linare's boot loader only recognized Win98 and Itself, and not any of the other OSes I had installed. I'm not a programmer or linux guru, so I may be missing something here, but I thought I'd "warn" you anyway. Now that I'm thinking about it, I don't think it gave me a choice of HD either. (I have 3 hd's in my sys). Anyway, Linare smells too much like M$/win to me with regard to "taking over" the whole computer, so they're on my blacklist.
I'll be eagle-eying Distrowatch for a review of Linare to hear someone elses opinion on in. By the way, Distrowatch is fantastic! I have it as my home page!
38 • Thanks for your research, lugnut!!! (by torque2k on 2004-09-17 04:54:22 GMT)
Concerning "lycoris as a company (by lugnut on 2004-09-14 03:42:51 GMT)", I just wanted to say a big Thanks to lugnut for going above and beyond the call of duty when researching what he's talking about! It's great to see someone who cares enough to include links to points they're trying to make. That's a class act, and too few people in ANY forum do the same anymore.
And thanks for bringing me up-to-date. Haven't used Lycoris since the first version after the name change from Redmond Linux, but interesting to see how the company is being run. Makes me think of the latest issues with Gentoo, or Smoothwall.
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