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1 • No subject (by First to post! on 2004-08-09 01:33:51 GMT)
YAY
2 • why no Yellowdog??? (by Simeon Wiehler at 2004-08-09 02:28:55 GMT)
Hi Robert,
Yellowdog Linux (for PowerPC) has been offering its RC1 for the up-coming version 4.0 since Monday.
Have you missed this important event???
(Discussed on Slashdot and OSNews....)
Check it out:
http://www.yellowdoglinux.com
--Simeon
3 • Tad Slow (by Andrew on 2004-08-09 02:36:02 GMT)
Since Ladislav is still away on holidays, distrowatch events and news are running a little slow.
Better slow than not at all!!
4 • Do you know any linux shop sells historical linux? (by huyichen at 2004-08-09 07:36:31 GMT)
Do you know any linux shop sells historical linux?
5 • RTFM (by aviddistroreader on 2004-08-09 08:16:06 GMT)
I never tell people to RTFM, as I'm am still a newbie.. maybe a novice now. I also try to be polite to everyone, but I reckon it's understandable that Linux people say RTFM. We were all newbies once, but not all of us demanded spoon feeding from gurus. On the one hand, gurus need to be less aggressive and on the other, newbies need to more patient and willing to learn.
I'll finish with a modified Springer quote: "take care of yourself, and each other.. unless the other is a Microsoft person".
6 • re: Time to Lighten Up? (by Anonymous on 2004-08-09 10:47:37 GMT)
The flame wars are in a way necessary. They are part of how Free Software evolves. Online shouting matches can effect mindshare. The only downside is that people are often dicks.
The correct answers to the flamewar questions:
GNU/linux vs linux = GNU/linux
GNOME vs KDE = XFce when configured not to look ass ugly.
emacs vs VI = both are useless but emacs has a chatbot.
public domain vs copyleft = copyleft
distro wars = debian side of the family tree
Speaking of RPM vs apt, I think it would be useful for distrowatch to have a total page hit ranking for all debian based distros and all redhat based distros so they can be compared. It would be easy to implement and it would help prove/disprove the "Is RPM Doomed?" article.
7 • Blatent Plug (by Corey at 2004-08-09 11:47:26 GMT)
When I first started with linux about 5 or 6 years ago, I ran into the problems of RTFM, or people not taking the time for a newbie to learn how to do stuff. I tried time and time again to get into linux, and no matter how many HOWTO's and Man pages I read, sometimes I just needed that human interaction to help me through.
Nowadays, i'm activily involved with Linuxhelp.ca forums. One of the main motto's that we follow is that no question is too dumb. We welcome newbies all the time, and urge every other visitor to treat newbies with the utmost respect. I have received many compliments over the past few years from new users who loved out forums because they got the answers they were looking for without feeling like an idiot.
For those who want to check out, please feel free:
http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/
8 • Debian - when will AMD64 be supported? (by johnleemk at 2004-08-09 11:48:39 GMT)
Finally, Sarge's coming...but I'm still waiting for AMD64 support in Sid. :(
9 • Blatent Plug (by Corey at 2004-08-09 12:14:05 GMT)
When I first started with linux about 5 or 6 years ago, I ran into the problems of RTFM, or people not taking the time for a newbie to learn how to do stuff. I tried time and time again to get into linux, and no matter how many HOWTO's and Man pages I read, sometimes I just needed that human interaction to help me through.
Nowadays, i'm activily involved with Linuxhelp.ca forums. One of the main motto's that we follow is that no question is too dumb. We welcome newbies all the time, and urge every other visitor to treat newbies with the utmost respect. I have received many compliments over the past few years from new users who loved out forums because they got the answers they were looking for without feeling like an idiot.
For those who want to check out, please feel free:
http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/
10 • Re: Debian - when will AMD64 be supported? (by Syntaxis at 2004-08-09 14:02:23 GMT)
Why are you waiting? AFAICS there's nothing stopping you from using it right now. The repository on Alioth (http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org) is already tracking Unstable. Check the HOWTO at http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:1C7sTmGUiL0J:alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html+debian+amd64+howto&hl=en (Google cache, since the document appears temporarily unavailable) for installation instructions and more.
11 • RE: why no Yellowdog??? (by sanitys3j at 2004-08-09 15:56:22 GMT)
Uummm, it actually kinda surprised me that distrowatch didn't include this one. Then I thought about it, and I'm not sure I really care all that much. I love running my web/mail servers on my g4 500mhz!!!!!!!! For those of you who've never tried linux on MAC, do......... Anyway, I'm mostly bummed because Yellowdog seems to be the only folks (well, and gentoo, but that's kind obvious in a way) who've mastered the bootloader issues with the 2.6 kernel. So, I lik'em.
I don't like, however, the fact that I've had a VERY hard time downloading the full set of the 'fully free' iso's every single time I've attempted (roughly 3 of 17 or 18 have worked ok) downloading them. (yes from numerous mirrors around the world). The rc is only available to 'subscribers' _read_$$$$_customers_ . This does NOT seem to embrace the ideals of Linux very well, so, for me it's ok that YDL wasn't mentioned.
All that said, I will still [guiltily] give it a 4gb partition on my hdd :)
Universally,
Sanitys3j
12 • Re: Debian - when will AMD64 be supported? (by Syntaxis at 2004-08-09 20:42:23 GMT)
Why are you waiting? AFAICS there's nothing stopping you from using it right now. The repository on Alioth (http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org) is already tracking Unstable. Check the HOWTO at http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:1C7sTmGUiL0J:alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html+debian+amd64+howto&hl=en (Google cache, since the document appears temporarily unavailable) for installation instructions and more.
13 • RTFM? (by EEDOK at 2004-08-10 03:26:28 GMT)
I've been a linux user for almost a year and the only time I got an RTFM was with an issue I was having with Quake, which no document to this day has corrected.
Nicest linux forums I have found:
http://easylinuxguide.com
14 • Steganography (by John on 2004-08-10 03:56:34 GMT)
Great article there, thanks!
15 • Linspire (by gighli at 2004-08-10 20:40:53 GMT)
Linspire is a discrase at frys it won't evern boot never buy it it is the wost os they try to rip you off distrowatch tell them this!
16 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-08-11 02:01:11 GMT)
I'd like to petition for Robert Storey to be enlisted as a permanent editor of DistroWatch Weekly. Great job Robert. Since you took over "weekly" seems to have more substance.
17 • Petition for Robert Storey (by GP at 2004-08-11 05:04:38 GMT)
I couldn't agree more. Storey has a very unique way of conveying the... storey.
I really enjoyed the part on steganography. I didn't know mucj on the subject.
Just a question maybe. Could SUN really have kept OO "closed source"?
GP
18 • OO question (by Robert Storey at 2004-08-12 01:03:38 GMT)
> Just a question maybe. Could SUN really have kept OO "closed source"?
Sun outright owns StarOffice, and they had no obligation to make it open source (actually, StarOffice is not open source). Sun (rather generously) donated StarOffice code upon which OO is based. OO is GPL'd software, so it is not under Sun's control. Sun could not now say that they want OO to become closed source. However, if Sun makes more improvements to StarOffice, they are under no obligation to donate this additional code to OO.
- robert
19 • Who can tell me any shop or web offer the discontinued linux distributions (by huyichen at 2004-08-12 06:49:03 GMT)
Who can tell me any shop or web offer the discontinued linux distributions or historical linux distributions
20 • Vector Linux Forum Links (by Tariq on 2004-08-12 12:54:43 GMT)
Will you kindly update the forum link to following:
http://www.ibiblio.org/vectorlinux/phpBB2/index.php
current temp link is also there.
Thanks!
21 • OO question (by GP at 2004-08-14 02:43:43 GMT)
Hi Robert!
I just made a quick check about history on OOo's site and it does seem you're almost right in saying that "Sun (rather generously) donated StarOffice code upon which OO is based."
But I also read this:
OpenOffice.org uses a dual-licensing scheme for source-code contributions: the LGPL (GNU Lesser General Public License) and SISSL (Sun Industry Standards Source License).
http://www.openoffice.org/about.html
and took a quick look at the SISSL. It seems to me like a carefully crafted piece of crap. Everytime a company finds it absolutely essential to draw its own license, I get wary.
I'm quite a bit Stallman-esque, I suppose. You know... an extremist! But I like neither the BSD licence nor this one. I'm Slackware pure-GPL :) I'm always afraid that the capital interest of companies -- I mean MONEY ! -- will bring Linux astray. Like in the SCO case, for instance.
You think SUN is different? Take a look at this:
Cnews, July 10, 2003
SCO's Unix licensing plan got a major boost of publicity in May when Microsoft announced its decision to license Unix from SCO, but Sun actually was the first company to sign on. SCO and Sun confirmed the licensing deal on Wednesday.
The pact, signed earlier this year, expanded the rights Sun acquired in 1994 to use Unix in its Solaris operating system. But there's more to the relationship: SCO also granted Sun a warrant to buy as many as 210,000 shares of SCO stock at $1.83 per share as part of the licensing deal, according to a regulatory document filed Tuesday.
Sun, the No. 1 seller of Unix servers, declined to comment on the option to take a stake in SCO Group. Fortune on Monday published news of the expanded Sun contract.
(...)
Sun hasn't been ashamed to try to profit from the effects of that (SCO's) suit. It jumped at the chance to declare itself a safe haven for spooked technology buyers: "Sun's complete line of Solaris and Linux products...are covered by Sun's portfolio of Unix licensing agreements. Solaris and Sun Linux represent safe choices for those companies that develop and deploy services based on Unix systems," Sun declared the day SCO filed suit against IBM.
"Now we know why Sun was so absolutely confident about where they stand in this whole thing that they were essentially able to turn it into some marketing and sales FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) of their own," Illuminata analyst Gordon Haff said.
http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-1024633.html?tag=fd_top
Sorry! I don't like this. I don't like this at all.
Long live Slackware, Debian, Knoppix and such "ventures"!
GP
22 • RE: Blatent Plug (by hughesjr at 2004-08-14 07:44:18 GMT)
Hi Corey ... I see we read / post at many of the same places :)
I think LinuxHelp is a great place as well...and we tend to try and help people without being condescending.
Robert ... I have really enjoyed your articles...maybe you should write one per issue (or at least one per month) when Ladislav returns.
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