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1 • Debian Sarge (by Vectrox at 2004-07-05 10:58:49 GMT)
Now i have to wait longer for the stable sarge :(.. oh well..
2 • Microsoft's undoing (by Paul Alvarez on 2004-07-05 12:40:22 GMT)
I feel that their ignorance will utimately be their undoing. They can try to spin the open source movement any way they want. Bottom line, more eyes reviewing code is BETTER. You can't buy that kind of software development. I understand the arguement that they have a bigger market penetration, hence larger amount of attacks on its products. However, just look at encryption reviews. They are usually done in public as well, leading to stronger encryption thru proper scientific validation by the community. Why not try a slightly similar process with MS O/Ses? Wouldn't it be cool if Longhorn went the Fedora route? But the bottom line is too big for them to risk a move like that.......
3 • It's about time (by Corey Quilliam on 2004-07-05 12:52:08 GMT)
I just have to say that it's about time that a big organization like Homeland security spoke out about the dangers of using Internet Explorer. It's time everyone realized that there are better and safer web browsers out there like Mozilla (firefox) and Safari.
4 • Where to bank now? (by Blaise Pascal at 2004-07-05 13:18:21 GMT)
> Do YOU still do your online banking on a server running Microsoft IIS? If so, why?
Does anyone know which banks do not use M$ software, be it IIS for their online banking, or Teller's terminals running some version of Windows? My bank (Suntrust) does IIRC.
BP
5 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-07-05 13:43:38 GMT)
Most of the banking sites here in Australia are well-know to use NT4 Server.
6 • Where to bank (by Christophe Grandsire on 2004-07-05 14:11:27 GMT)
My bank (ABN-AMRO in the Netherlands) runs its site with a solution from IBM based on Apache, with the NetCache OS (a unix IIRC). Some of its servers run HP-UX. It may not all be Open Source, but Microsoft is nowhere to be seen there.
And its online banking pages are accessible without a single problem with any browser I tried (including Opera, Mozilla, Firefox and Konqueror at least). I didn't originally choose them because of that, but I'm glad I did :) .
7 • Have a nice break! (by Michael_Valentine on 2004-07-05 15:11:13 GMT)
Have a nice and very deserving break.
8 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-07-05 15:32:57 GMT)
why Sarge will take more time than before to release as stable?
9 • One Quibble with Ladislav (by DaveW at 2004-07-05 16:51:30 GMT)
Ladislav, have a great vacation. You deserve an all-paid month on the French Riviera or someplace for all the incredible service you've done for the open-source community.
I do have one quibble with this week's DW, though. I realize LinuxCD.org is a good Linux supporter, and I've had good results dealing with them. But I wish you'd advised your readers to first check with their distro-of-choice's website and see if the producers themselves are selling their CDs direct. CD sales are an important source of revenue for some distro-makers, such as MEPIS.
So I hope in the future you'll advise readers to order from the distro producer if possible, and try LinuxCD.org if not.
10 • Slackware based LiveCDs (by Josh on 2004-07-05 17:28:42 GMT)
Hehe TAO linux is going to destroy SLAX, mark my words! :)
BTW have fun on your vaction, you deserve it.
11 • Enjoy your Vacation - You deserve it! (by Offer Kaye at 2004-07-05 17:39:46 GMT)
Nuff said :-)
12 • Ladislav and his vacation (by crawancon at 2004-07-05 17:54:57 GMT)
perhaps one of the software donation programs you do for distrowatch, we can do for your next vacation.
:-)
anyone want to start a "ladislav goes to manhattan"- project ?
Thanks for being one of my favorite daily reads.
13 • Happy holidays Ladislav! (by Penguin on 2004-07-05 20:51:29 GMT)
Ladislaw: Happy holidays! I hope you get your beers ;)
Robert: About the upcoming OpenBSD review: I know that OpenBSD is mainly for servers, routers, firewalls etc, but it would be interesting to read a few words about its potentiality (and problems) as a desktop OS too. So, multimedia support etc.? The most secure server OS wouldn't be too bad a choice on a workstation machine either - in this time of network security risks.
Also, the German secure by default desktop Linux distribution ERPOSS3 shows a good direction and and an example that more other distributors should follow too.
14 • Christophe Aulnette brain functions copied from IE (by whatabrain on 2004-07-05 20:51:44 GMT)
> Christophe Aulnette, CEO of Microsoft France, arguing that a closely-guarded proprietary software is naturally more secure than open source software:
> "If I have a safe in my room and I give the code to >everybody, will it be safer? I don't think so"
It is not about the key, there are holes in the safe. You can keep the key in your mouth. Still there are holes in your safe. What you think now?
15 • Just one (more) link about IE (as background for the story, of course :) ): (by anon on 2004-07-05 20:56:07 GMT)
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/story.jsp?story=537951
16 • Forced to use MS software ... (by Kanwar at 2004-07-05 23:38:05 GMT)
My bank does not support Mozilla! The ridiculous thing is that their application is actually written in Java!! However, during login the page apparently "requests" MS JVM!!!
Anyway, in the spirit of all good hacks, there is a simple way to Mozilla/Firefox/Konqueror appear as "MSIE" (yuck!) and the site works fine after that.
My only worry is that will I still be secure doing my banking this way?
I have written multiple request emails to the bank but have been curtly told: We only support Internet Explorer. Of course, they keep telling you to "Always keep your software upgraded" and "Install anti-virus etc etc" ad nauseum.
17 • Happy Holidays (by warpengi on 2004-07-06 03:51:44 GMT)
Ladislav.
Remember........have a lot of fun.
Guess you better take Linux with you;~)
18 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-07-06 04:48:06 GMT)
For those one or 2 who are unhappy with the long wait for Sarge. I hope you guys have not forgotten the heart attacks we had with Woody's release i.e. the intro of new stuff when it was supposed to have been frozen and then the tonnes of bugs that needed to be squashed as a consequence. Debian has this paranoia with the need for its stable releases to be the most bugfree of all distros available. It is like a heavenly bestowed duty and responsibility to be the the most stable of stable releases. I suppose there is nothing really wrong with such a philosophy.
For those Non-Debian users who want to experience what Debian is all about, one can always go grab one of those Woody iso files off e.g. linuxiso.org. Or purchase them from e.g. LinuxCD.org. If one wants newer software than those available in Woody, one can either pin Unstable and do a dist-upgrade or if you are on dial-up, go order a copy of the Debian Extra CD form the Debian Extra CD here: http://debian-extra-cd-proj.homelinux.org/
19 • Beer (by Robbage, Western Australia on 2004-07-06 06:02:16 GMT)
... would love to buy you a beer in Switzerland
20 • Yeeehaaawww !! (by Platypus at 2004-07-06 06:44:23 GMT)
Have fun boi ... and tell us all about it when you come back
21 • No subject (by JoeLinux on 2004-07-06 09:00:02 GMT)
Great work Ladislav...you certainly have earned a much deserved break. Now any chance that alternative Unix-based/like OSes such as Syllable, Haiku, FreeBEOS, etc will find their way here now that the BSDs are in?
22 • The Little Dutch Boy William OoGatesman (by Moe on 2004-07-06 12:32:28 GMT)
Picture in your mind the little Dutch boy William OoGatesman sticking all of his fingers (and toes) into a leaking dam in a vain attempt to stop the torrents of water from destroying his kingdom of bits and bytes.
23 • Holiday in Italy (by Guido Pes at 2004-07-06 14:59:41 GMT)
Where you go in Italy?
I am proud to offer beer, or better vine!
Good holiday and tanks for your very good work!
24 • RE: Holiday in Italy (by ladislav on 2004-07-06 15:48:25 GMT)
Where you go in Italy?
I'll arrive in Rome on Thursday morning, then go and visit some friends in Bologna during the weekend. Thanks for your offer - I certainly won't refuse Italian wine, unless you are in Sicilly or some ohter remote place :-)
I think it would be fun to meet up with a LUG or some other Linux-friendly association. I mean, I spend all my time working on DistroWatch and exchanging views via email, so it would be great to meet some real Linux users in person for a change, no? Just sit down somewhere nice, have a drink, have a chat... Perfect holiday :-)
25 • ERPOSS typos (by Chris C. on 2004-07-06 16:44:15 GMT)
In some places you call it ERPOSS (correct), in some places you call it EPROSS (incorrect). Unfortunately, one of the latter places is a URL :)
26 • Safari (by Ian at 2004-07-06 21:53:20 GMT)
Has anyone using Safari 1.2.2 on Mac OSX 10.3.4 experienced crashing when trying to load the Distrowatch website? I view Distrowatch every other day and have never had problems before, but today I find Safari crashes whenever I try to surf to Distrowatch. This happens every time and doesn't happen when going to other websites. It also doesn't happen when using other browsers (e.g. Firefox, Opera, Camino). Just wondering if this is a problem with my installation or something more widespread.
Having said this, how many OSX users regularly read Distrowatch, I wonder! :)
27 • mentioning DistroWatch.com (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-07-07 04:43:03 GMT)
yipe! I always assumed that when people thought "Linux", they'd think "DistroWatch", not "Mandrake." >_o
I second the "Have a lot of fun!" request! haha
hooray for DistroWatch!
28 • Re: Safari (by Jeff at 2004-07-07 05:22:06 GMT)
Hey Ian, I had that trouble with Safari you mentioned last week sometime, but it eventually stopped. Not sure why. Oh well, always alternates or my trusty Linux computer. :-)
29 • OpenBSD Review (by Dave on 2004-07-07 05:34:42 GMT)
That was a great review of OpenBSD and I even learned a few things. The first time I installed it, fdisk and disklabel gave me a headache. Lucky I had another box so I could read the FAQ at the OpenBSD site and 3.4 was installed without any problems. I think it's a great OS and have used it both as a sever and desktop.
30 • OpenBSD review (by john on 2004-07-07 06:19:03 GMT)
I have OpenBSD 3.5 running on a laptop and I must say it works well. It certainly is not as luxurious as say Mandrake, SuSE or Libranet but it makes a fine desktop. I used this web page as a guide:
OpenBSD Desktop: A minimalist Approach
http://www.finalhour.ca/OpenBSD.htm
I would also recommend Michael Lucas' book "Absolute OpenBSD" as it has a good section on introductory TCP/IP and a chapter on pf (packet filtering) firewalls.
31 • Afraid to bank online (by Soloact at 2004-07-07 07:07:42 GMT)
I'm afraid to bank online, now, even though I use Firefox. My bank uses MS IIS. I'm not so sure I trust the ATMs either.
32 • Welcome, Robert (by gromit at 2004-07-07 08:11:11 GMT)
Trust me guys: Robert is a good man to have at the helm. I moved to Taipei, Taiwan, at the tender age of 19 on my degree, and his guide to living out there was an absolute godsend: he´s a great bloke.
33 • Safari (by Ian at 2004-07-07 08:45:18 GMT)
Thanks Jeff. Lo and behold, today I used Safari to surf to Distrowatch and all is well! Don't know why this happens, the browser was crashing half way in to loading the page (i.e. I could already see some elements coming in). Anyway, all is well today. And yes, isn't it excellent to have so many alternatives when things like this happen? Long Live Choice! :)
34 • openbsd review (by jimveta on 2004-07-07 12:34:07 GMT)
Hello, I really enjoyed your openbsd review and found the tips and tricks to be quite helpful indeed! However, I must say to be fair to darren reed, your statement as to why it was removed from openbsd seems misleading:
"However, in 2001 the license was changed, forbidding other developers from making modifications to the code. Restrictive software licenses of any kind are anathema to OpenBSD developers, and thus there was a mad scramble to find an alternative to IPFilter."
Where the actual ipfilter license states:
* Redistribution and use, with or without modification, in source and binary forms, are permitted provided that this notice is preserved in its entirety and due credit is given to the original author and the contributors.
*
* The licence and distribution terms for any publically available version or derivative of this code cannot be changed. i.e. this code cannot simply be copied, in part or in whole, and put under another distribution licence [including the GNU Public Licence.]
So you ARE allowed to freely modify and redistribute ipfilter
35 • OpenBSD review (by Chris on 2004-07-07 14:46:05 GMT)
Thanks for the nice article!
I also recommend reading:
"Absolute OpenBSD: UNIX for the Practical Paranoid"
http://www.absoluteopenbsd.com/
http://www.openbsd.org/books.html
36 • Re: OpenBSD review comment by jimveta (by Todd Fries at 2004-07-07 15:44:20 GMT)
There is a bit of confusion over what license and such. The simplified statement by the review stands, but on casual glance it does indeed sound misleading. However, it is not.
Please realize that OpenBSD was using fixes from interim releases of IPF which specifically has a _different_ license which _does not_ permit redistribution as desired in OpenBSD. So, OpenBSD was in the position to choose either to distribute only officially released versions, with no interim security patches, or utilize interim security patches, and violate the redistribution license for interim releases. Darran Reed was quite pointed about sticking to his guns and not changing his interim license. His choice, not OpenBSD's, caused OpenBSD to remove it.
37 • simplymepis testing (by mrbass at 2004-07-07 23:44:38 GMT)
Anyone wish to help out testing the new Simply Mepis (stripped down version offering only one app that does it best). A new testing version came out July 6th. You can download it off my mirror http://www.mrbass.org/linux/mepis
Have an awesome trip Ladislav and you deserve it, not that you needn't our approval anyway :-)
38 • OpenBSD don't get no respect (by Geoff on 2004-07-08 01:41:03 GMT)
Nice, informative review. I've always wondered about the choice of the name though. Not sure why the "Open" part was selected - maybe has to do with project origins when split from NetBSD. But it sort of gives the exact opposite impression from what the main goals are. Maybe "SecureBSD" would have been more appropriate.
Anyway, along the lines of "no respect", the sidebar on the right has the section heading "FreeBSD Specifications". Even when it gets publicity, OpenBSD still has trouble emerging from the shadows of its more well-known older siblings.
39 • Silly Microsoft (by Michael at 2004-07-08 07:03:25 GMT)
I think the quote from Microsoft's Christophe Aulnette is very silly!
Quote:
"If I have a safe in my room and I give the code to everybody, will it be safer? I don't think so"
I think a better example would be something like:
"I've designed a house never seen before, I'm going to give you my code and design implementation so you can build on it and improve on it"
Am I right?
40 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-07-08 22:17:41 GMT)
Regarding the OpenBSD article: it's undoubtedly helpfull in installing OpenBSD and sheds some light on one of the BSD's, but (saw that one comming!), but it doesn't explain why the author's hyping of its security are justified. Or fear mongering with OpenBSD as salvation for the disturbed minds if you want to put it that way...
If this is an OS explicitly designed for security and therefore inherently more secure than the other BSD's and Linux. If it's the ultimate paranoia killer, then I really would like to know how they do it. What differences in OpenBSD's design make it really a secure OS compared to the others? That could have been an interesting article even for people not considering to try OpenBSD out.
Also, perhaps the difference between the BSD license and the GPL could have been highlighted. Many people couldn't care less perhaps, they don't bother reading EULA's either, but for those who do it could be a consideration. And it is of course a major difference between the BSD's and GNU/Linux.
41 • openbsd_review (by jtbowman at 2004-07-09 08:27:23 GMT)
I liked the review. Since I chewed off both my arms instaling 3.4 I'll have wait before upgrading. Being an intermediate linux user, if I hadn't bought Absolute OPENBSD by M.W. Lucas I doubt if I'd have persisted. Now I run openbsd on one machine (an old pIII) and the other o/s's linux and xp on the other (amd xp3000+). These two never see the net -- except for patches.
42 • No subject (by SFNative on 2004-07-09 13:31:12 GMT)
"... I really would like to know how they do it."
This is the OpenBSD Team's answer to that.
http://openbsd.org/security.html
And yes, you're right. The BSD license is quite different. Some people get all honked off about the GPL while swearing by the BSD license and vice versa.
43 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-07-09 18:34:23 GMT)
Thanks for the link. Though I would mostly be interested in the "New Technologies" part, which is unfortunably a bit shallow.
What I meant was that I really would like find that out while reading the article, or at least been given a link. The contrast between "Only The Paranoid Survive" and the lack of explanation why OpenBSD would be more secure than other OSes was too stark for my taste. It's bad journalism and reeks of propaganda.
It doesn't make any difference for the end user in his freedom whether he uses the BSD license or the GPL. However, the philosophies behind the licenses are different and some users could care about that when they choose their OS.
Personally I think that the difference between the GPL and the BSD license makes the difference in their popularity.
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| • Issue 1099 (2024-12-02): AnduinOS 1.0.1, measuring RAM usage, SUSE continues rebranding efforts, UBports prepares for next major version, Murena offering non-NFC phone |
| • Issue 1098 (2024-11-25): Linux Lite 7.2, backing up specific folders, Murena and Fairphone partner in fair trade deal, Arch installer gets new text interface, Ubuntu security tool patched |
| • Issue 1097 (2024-11-18): Chimera Linux vs Chimera OS, choosing between AlmaLinux and Debian, Fedora elevates KDE spin to an edition, Fedora previews new installer, KDE testing its own distro, Qubes-style isolation coming to FreeBSD |
| • Issue 1096 (2024-11-11): Bazzite 40, Playtron OS Alpha 1, Tucana Linux 3.1, detecting Screen sessions, Redox imports COSMIC software centre, FreeBSD booting on the PinePhone Pro, LXQt supports Wayland window managers |
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Uruk GNU/Linux
Uruk GNU/Linux is a free software desktop distribution based on Trisquel. It follows the licensing guidelines of the Free Software Foundation. Uruk primarily uses .deb package files, but strives to support a wide range of package formats, including .rpm files.
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