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DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 39, 8 March 2004 |
Welcome to this year's 10th edition of DistroWatch Weekly. If you are lucky enough, you are already running the latest version of Mandrake Linux (or is it Mandrakelinux?), released last Friday to Mandrake Club members. Mandrake is the first major distribution shipping with kernel 2.6 and KDE 3.2 and early reports indicate that they have done a great job. If you've tried it, please share your experiences in the forums below. Also, don't forget to check your nearest KDE mirror later today as it seems that the release of KDE 3.2.1 is imminent (already present in Debian Sid).
Content:
Progeny builds a new distribution
Those of you who have been following the distribution scene for more than just a couple of years will remember Progeny Debian, a Debian-based Linux distribution with an easy graphical installer. Like some other companies that attempted to create a friendly Debian-based distribution in those days, e.g. Corel and Stormix, Progeny too failed to make much money from the product and the project was abandoned in October 2001, barely 6 months after its launch. The company itself, established by Debian's original founder Ian Murdock, survived the dotcom bust and refocused its activities towards Linux support and services.
In recent months, Progeny has once again been featured in news headlines on Linux news sites. First, it was the company's Transition Service, launched in December 2003, offering support and software updates for users of Red Hat Linux 7.2, 7.3, 8.0 and 9 for US$5 per system per month. Then it was the launch of Anaconda for Debian, a Progeny initiative to port Red Hat's Anaconda installer to Debian, thus creating a more user-friendly installation program for the Debian's x86 architecture. And more recently, we have started to hear about Progeny Componentized Linux:
"For those who view Linux not as a product but as a platform on which to build their own products, the monolithic nature of the typical distribution is a particularly bad fit. The typical Linux-as-product distribution optimises for breadth -- because it is "one-size-fits-all," it needs to include a huge assortment of features and technologies to satisfy the widest possible audience, only a few of which may be important to any given project (and the few that are important will always vary)."
"To allow optimisation for depth, a new kind of distribution is needed -- a componentized distribution from which users may build platforms from the bottom up, including only the features and technologies their products require. Progeny is building such a distribution, which we call (cleverly enough) componentized Linux. Furthermore, we are building it in the open as a community project in the hopes that others will be intrigued with the concept, collaborate with us on the component infrastructure and underlying open-source technologies (Anaconda, APT, etc.) and ultimately build their own components too."
Thus a new Linux distribution, called Progeny Componentized Linux, was born and released late last month. It includes the Anaconda installer, kernel 2.6 and a basic GNOME desktop. However, despite the ISO images being labelled as version 2.0, it is a pre-release version, not quite in perfect state:
"As a prerelease, there are some outstanding issues to note:
- The Anaconda installer is not quite finished. Please see the Anaconda site for more information about Anaconda.
- Although the Linux 2.6 kernel is provided, systems using it can expect some problems. Most of these can be solved by adding "hid" to /etc/modules on the installed system after installation. It is possible to install both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels on the same system and choose which kernel to run at boot time."
You can find more information about Progeny Componentized Linux on the project's home page and download the ISO images from its download server (only the first ISO image is required for installation).
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Arch Linux 0.6
Arch Linux 0.6 is out: "Arch Linux 0.6 (Widget) is released! We've made a lot of improvements over the last seven months, and hope you enjoy our efforts. We've seen a surge of activity in the Arch community, and it's resulted in more documentation, a huge increase in packages, and tons of useful information in our forums. Keep it up everyone, Arch Linux is slowly becoming the mature distribution we want it to be. A big thank-you to everyone that has donated to help support our server costs. Seriously, we rely on your contributions and you haven't let us down. Changelog, documentation, and download mirrors are at their usual locations." The announcement.
KANOTIX 03-2004
A new version of the KANOTIX live CD has been released: "KANOTIX BUG HUNTER 03/2004 is out now! This time the complete distro is based on Debian/sid (even XFree86) - optimal for hard disk install. Most of the drivers have been updated and new hardware is supported, like Tekram DC395. New kernel 2.4.25 (with XFS) with some patches. The latest Debian XFree86 4.3.0-3 (bugfix release) is included." Read the rest of the announcement for a full list of changes.
Adamantix 1.0.3
The Adamantix project (formerly known as "Trusted Debian" has released Adamantix 1.0.3: "Adamantix v1.0.3 has been released. It is bigger, better and bolder. :-) New features are improved RSBAC support through the security policy tool, XFS support, newer versions of kernel patches, latest RSBAC and kernel bug fixes, more packages, security updates of packages." The announcement. There are no ISO images of this release as yet, but version 1.0.3 can be installed on top of a standard Debian installation; see the installation instructions for details.
ADIOS Linux 3.0.1
A new version of the ADIOS Linux Boot CD was announced late last week: "ADIOS Boot CD version 3.00 February 2004 has support for LIDS (Linux Intrusion Detection System) and SELinux (NSA Security Enhanced Linux). The ADIOS live CD uses a compressed loopback filesystem and has support for UML (User Mode Linux) virtual machines. It is a custom installation of Fedora 1 running kernel 2.4.24 and supports X11 windows desktop environments of KDE, Gnome and IceWM." Find out more on this page.
ASP Linux 9.2
The long overdue release of ASP Linux 9.2, code name "Siberia" is finally released and available for download. The new version comes in four editions - Deluxe, Standard, Express and Greenhorn, the last of which is a live CD. The product is designed for general use as an office or home workstation, server or development platform, with many new packages, support for Bluetooth, hardware auto-detection and other new features. See the press release and the product description pages (both links in Russian) for further information.
Bayanihan Linux 3
Bayanihan Linux 3 has been released. The main new features are as follows: "KDE-based distribution with crystal cursor; based on the latest 2.4 kernel(2.4.24); primary browsers: Mozilla Firefox and Konqueror; Evolution email; Windows interoperability through WINE, NTFS support and Samba; fresh new look; support from the forum, email, telephone and text; CD and mp3 support through XMMS; DVD, VCD, AVI, etc. support through MPlayer; JAVA support; OpenOffice.org 1.1 suite and project management software; educational packages; image editing tools; CD/DVD burning software; games." See the full announcement on the distribution's home page.
INSERT 1.2.4
The Inside Security Rescue Toolkit project has released INSERT 1.2.4. From the changelog: "Various packages have been updated to their latest versions: cdrecord, chkrootkit, clamav, e2fsprogs, jfstools, mdadm, mkisofs, xfsprogs; the dvd+rw-tools package has been added; the virus database for clamav has been updated to the latest version; the catchFirebird script was replaced by huntFirefox, it downloads version 0.8 of firefox; linuxrc and the autoconfiguration script have been updated to correspond to the version of the latest Knoppix-scripts (e.g. DMA moved to linuxrc); {finally} autoejecting of the CD at halt time works!"
Mandrakelinux 10.0
Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Edition has been released: "The new version of Mandrakelinux provides many new great features and is available for download right now for contributors and Mandrakeclub members, and as a DVD set available for pre-order at Mandrakestore. Public ISOs will be available a bit later. Discover all Mandrakelinux 10.0 features, including the new kernel 2.6 integration, MagicDev and others on the feature page. A press-release is also available online. Mandrakelinux 10.0 Official will be released in May." Visit the above links for details about the brand new Mandrakelinux (a new name?) release.

Screenshot: Mandrake Linux 10.0: the first major distribution release with kernel 2.6 and KDE 3.2. (full image size 353kB)
Fedora Core 1 for AMD64
A port of Fedora Core 1 to the AMD64 architecture has been released: "The port of Fedora Core 1 to AMD64 is now available. Everyone is encouraged to download it and participate by either submitting bugs or submitting fixes. All bugs, requests for enhancements, and fixes should be submitted via Bugzilla. Please keep up to date via the Update methods." Read the full announcement and the release notes for more information.
Onebase Linux 2004-r1 and OnebaseGo 1.0
The Onebase project has released a new revision of Onebase Linux 2004: "This is revision 1 of OL 2004. There are some changes to the installer like error detection, improved hardware detection tools and a new kernel. The highlight of this release is the inclusion of OLM-2.1.1 which comes with many new features and improvements." A new product, a live CD called OnebaseGo, has also been launched: OnebaseGo is a new product from Onebase. It is a portable OS that comes in a CD with all the features of Onebase Linux. It is very handy for travellers and apart from being used for presentations, demos it has the capability to be used as a full-blown operating system." More information on the distribution's web site.
LAS Linux 0.5
Linux Area Security (LAS Linux), version 0.5 is out: "We are proud to announce the release of LAS Linux 0.5-210MB! There have been many changes since the last release including a recompiling of the kernel and the upgrading of all packages. As well as adding links in the menu to the OSSTMM, changing the wallpaper, adding more USB support, and more. Most of the issues mentioned in the forums (thanks to all who reported) have been dealt with. A more detailed changelog will be added shortly and information regarding the latest roadmap for both the 185MB and 210MB versions. We are also working on version 2.0 of the L.A.S. website which is coming along nicely and will have a lot of content we have been saving for the change." The full announcement.
ROCK Linux 2.0.0
The final version of ROCK Linux 2.0.0, code name "Rafaella", has been released: "Finally (yes - finally) we decided to tag 2.0.0(-final) - here at the Chemnitzer Linux Tag 2004. Binary images for x86 (desktop) are online - PowerPC and SPARC (yes - dual-bootable SPARC / SPARC64) ISOs will follow soon. Although we worked hard to make the 2.0 series stable, we cannot test all hardware combinations and still have some bugs inside the Bug tracker. Minor maintenance releases will follow in the usual Open Source release early release often cycle." Read the rest of the release announcement, which includes release notes, links to download mirrors and other related information. Also visit the project page and read the ROCK Linux Handbook for installation instructions.
Source Mage GNU/Linux 0.9.2
Updated Source Mage GNU/Linux ISOs have been released: "A new pair of ISOs are available from here. A choice of either a 2.4.25 or 2.6.3 kernel is available. The actual installed system will be identical except for the kernel difference. The 2.6.3 version is purely a courtesy to those already running 2.6.X and nptl glibc. The changelog for this release is in the same place as the others. Please remember to say which kernel you are using if you are reporting a bug." The full announcement.
Development and unannounced releases
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SUSE LINUX 9.1
Quoting SUSE's PR department, The Inquirer reports about an upcoming SUSE LINUX release expected next month: "SUSE LINUX 9.1, available in April 2004, and the next generation of SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server, available in summer 2004, will include an enhanced version of X11 based on a XFree86 version prior to the license change." The full story.
Lunar Linux 1.4
Besides the just released ROCK Linux 2.0.0, two other source-based distributions have announced plans for new releases. Lunar Linux 1.4 will be out shortly: "New lunar ISO in production: after two months of debugging and testing gcc-3.3.x and an ncurses update that has been available for 3 weeks or so now we are getting close to releasing a new ISO. Terry Chan has been working his ends off and produced 3 testisos as of now. The 1.4.0 release will have gcc-3.3.3, a 2.4.25 kernel and ncurses 5.4, including some interesting small fixes and improvements for the install phase. Watch out for the final 1.4.0 release!"
Source Mage GNU/Linux 1.0
On the other hand, a new Source Mage release might be delayed: "It is not a complete vote (no where near actually...), but it is the best we usually do on any vote as seen in the past. It seems the vote is leaning towards delaying the 1.0 release. I will clean up the roadmap on the wiki, postpone the 1.0 release and put to you all to make it a point of discussion at the upcoming admin meeting on the 7th of March."
Freepia 1.4
The Freepia project, a Linux distribution designed to run on Via Epia-M Mainboards, has revealed a new web site, together with plans to bring out a new release: "To speed up and to make it easier to modify, we are going towards Gentoo as base-system. Freevo 1.4RC1 is new, too. It is not working perfectly yet (some work considering optimisation has to be done), but the first release is near." Read the full announcement.
EvilEntity Linux 0.3.0
EvilEntity Linux 0.3.0 is coming soon: "Exciting news!! Base6 is now e17 ready! The Enlightenment Foundation Libraries are complied and working and we are now working on kernel 2.6.0. It is a very exciting time as developers are working hard to bring you DR-0.3.0. The xgn package system has been implemented and a xgn get application has been developed and is working as well. A GUI frontend to the xgn package system and the xgn get application has been developed as well. Get ready to test; a public test release of Base6 is comming soon!" More information.
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New additions
- Rubyx. Rubyx is a modern linux distribution created entirely from source by a small script written in the Ruby language. The same script handles all subsequent package management. Amongst many other interesting features, Rubyx also has a completely new init system written in Ruby.
- Deep-Water/Linux. Deep-Water/Linux is a fully graphical, minimalist live CD distribution released under the GNU General Public License.
- TupiServer TupiServer Linux is a Brazilian Linux distribution designed for servers and based on Kurumin Linux. It can be used as a live CD without a need to install it on hard disk.
Revived distributions
- Progeny Componentized Linux. With the release of version 2.0 of Componentized Linux, Progeny seems to be back in the distribution business. Welcome back!
New on the waiting list
- UFGentoo. UFGentoo (User Friendly Gentoo) is a new Linux distribution, still under development. It's main advantages are: easy installation; portage front-end, an easy way to install, uninstall and upgrade all software on your system; light, fast and easy to use desktop environment.
- Cinemix. Cinemix is a mini distribution of Linux designed for playing movies after booting directly from a CD. The only requirement is setting up BIOS to boot from CD. Its advantages are simplicity, small size and ease of CD recording.
- Luit Linux. Luit Linux is a small bootable live CD distribution based on Knoppix and Damn Small Linux. Luit Linux at this moment is a just an integration of packages to Damn Small Linux. It is comparable to systems running mainstream X-window systems as GNOME and KDE and applications while still remaining compact. Though Damn Small Linux runs easily on a low resource PC as a 486, Luit Linux doesn't aim for revival of the 486 PCs.
DistroWatch database summary
- Number of distributions in the database: 271
- Number of discontinued distributions: 31
- Number of distributions on the waiting list: 64
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NordisKnoppix
NordisKnoppix was a version of Klaus Knopper's Knoppix, supporting Nordic and Baltic languages, and maintained by Conrad Newton. Presently, the supported languages include Danish, Estonian, Finnish, Faroese, Icelandic, Latvian, Lithuanian, Northern sami, Norwegian bokmål, Norwegian nynorsk, Swedish and US English, to the extent that Debian packages for these languages are available, and that they fit on the CD. Aside from the Nordic/Baltic language components, NordisKnoppix was the same as standard Knoppix.
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