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1 • Basic conditions (by Anonymous on 2003-11-24 09:23:58 GMT)
A work-around if you have plenty of hard drive space and time (for modem endless) is to download the installation tree (you may skip suse/src/) to a local hard drive or another computer. Then you can point the installation to there or set up a NTFS/Samba server for it. This is also a good way if you have access to a big pipe somewhere and can burn the tree to DVD/CDs to take it home.
2 • Official announcement of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (by W T Zhu on 2003-11-24 09:23:58 GMT)
It seems that http://www.debian.org/News/2003/20031121a cannot be opened by Internet Explorer, which returns an error code 406 (NOT_ACCEPTABLE). However, This announcement is "acceptable" by Mozilla (Firebird) for Windows :-) Interesting.
3 • I.E. Errors (by madhunter at 2003-11-24 09:30:39 GMT)
In my opinion, the more websites and pages that don't load with Internet Exploder the better! :)
4 • Feedback on Categorizing the distributions (by Sundar at 2003-11-24 09:48:49 GMT)
Hi Ladislav,
Eariler, I was suggesting a feature to select and package and list all distrbutions including this package.
In this weekly edition, you mentioned different type of categorizing the linux distributions.
User should be able to select one or more packages from the packages screen, and click to list all distributions including/supporting those one or more packages. If this is done, your different type of categories you discussed in this weekly edition will become subset of the feature I am suggesting.
Best wishes,
Sundar Pillay
5 • ie errors on debian news page (by ray carter at 2003-11-24 14:28:45 GMT)
Interestingly enough, when I attempted to use IE to access the aforementioned page - it worked.
6 • Timesavers (by Warpengi at 2003-11-24 17:27:18 GMT)
It's great to hear a positive response on the Timesavers request. Another feature suggested at one point was download mirrors for Timesavers members. Any chance this is being worked on?
A how-to section might be a good idea if you are going to do more of the same type of article at the start of this DWW. Keep up the good work.
7 • No subject (by DaveW on 2003-11-24 18:27:53 GMT)
The distro categories look great. I can't imagine needing anything more. Congratulations.
8 • SuSE software management ? (by Leo on 2003-11-24 22:28:51 GMT)
I wonder how SuSE manages sofware installs, upgrades, etc. Is is thorugh YaST ? Do they have anything similar to urpmi ? How does it compare with Synaptic/Apt-rpm ? How about software availability ? Is it as wide as with RedHat and Mandrake ?
I know, a lot of questions, but I'd love to have some more insight. Because SuSE has some very serious appealing in many other aspects, except for the YaST Licensing ...
Many thanks in advance !
9 • SUSE Pro Price on Amazon (by Howard Coles Jr. at 2003-11-25 03:10:14 GMT)
The price is $64.00 US, not 38, the 38 price is the personal version. You can however buy the "update" version of Pro for 48 or so dollars direct from SUSE. It just doesn't come with as much Documentation.
10 • RE: SUSE Pro Price on Amazon (by ladislav at 2003-11-25 04:31:28 GMT)
You were late with the click. Had you visited Amazon.com yesterday, you would have been able to buy SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional for $38.95. Whether it was a mistake or a temporary special, I don't know, but that's what the price was at time of writing the article.
11 • Re: Timesavers (by ladislav at 2003-11-25 04:39:50 GMT)
There were no plans for download mirrors, just a maintained list of fast, up-to-date and working mirrors. This list already exists for most major distributions on their respective pages, although you need to be logged in to see it.
12 • RE: SuSE software management (by ladislav at 2003-11-25 04:48:29 GMT)
YaST doesn't compare well with urpmi or apt-get. Firstly, you cannot add third-party resources to it and you cannot use it to update the entire system (the above was true in pre-9.0 versions, but I haven't had a chance to investigate whether things have improved in SUSE's latest release). On the other hand, YaST does have the ability to automatically resolve dependencies of the officially supplied packages.
Given the limits of YaST, many advanced users seems to prefer to set up apt for SUSE, available at http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/.
13 • Suse 9.0 as a torrent? (by Joan Leach at 2003-11-25 12:52:02 GMT)
With Mandrake and Slackware going this route, I'm surprised Suse hasn't thought of it. I'm one of the unlucky ones with DSL/ppoe, as well as no credit cards. In the comments of another review, I saw that a torrent was available, and I pursued the new territory of p2p, if that is what Bit Torrent is. I downloaded it, but I was unsuccessful in getting it on CD. CDRwin said, the first line in the Cue file was blank. I think I may go with Suse, error messages stay on screen longer than with Mandrake. Or I may go with the new Xandros, any word on their complete pricing, ie. user group discounts and their new server version? Thanks for a great site by the way.
Joan Leach
14 • getting the ip address for the ftp install (by falvious at 2003-11-25 13:19:58 GMT)
regarding the tutorial on installing suse from ftp, you do not need to find out the ip address of the mirror to install. when it asks you for the ip address during the install process just delete the 0.0.0.0 and type in the actual address ie ftp.suse.com instread of the ip address.
this saves a small bit fo work.
enjoy
falvious
Editor
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15 • RE: getting the ip address for the ftp install (by ladislav at 2003-11-25 14:18:44 GMT)
This was suggested before, but it never worked for me. Maybe it would work on those systems where the network card is detected on boot, but if it isn't (as in my case), you can't go this route, it seems.
16 • On categorising distributions (by Leo on 2003-11-25 15:25:21 GMT)
Thanks for the info on SuSE package management, Ladislav.
This inspired a suggestion for the categorisation: how about adding an entry (or sub-entry) for HIGH-LEVEL package management. RPM, Deb, Tgz, Src, these are all LOW-LEVEL categories. Deb without APT may not be very handy, same thing for RPM without URPMI or APT.
I am currently using Mandrake, and I wouldn't go back to a distro which doesn't have a good high-level package manager. Really. The back end, as far as it works, is not so important to me.
17 • Re: SuSE Software Management (by Warpengi at 2003-11-25 17:57:00 GMT)
YaST can update the whole system in 9.0. I am currently runnning 9.0 and installing a kernel patch as we speak. That said this is not even close to urpmi. As far as I know there is no command line use for YaST.
The essential (to me) software is here but hardware support is not as good as Mandrake. My Brother laser printer is not auto detected and I have had some sound problems.
18 • Re: SuSE Software Management (by Leo on 2003-11-26 00:23:09 GMT)
Thanks a lot Warpengi !
And in what area/s do you think SuSE has an edge over Mandrake ?. I am sure there are some, and this is why you run it. Stability ? Polish ? Just guessing from what I heard ...
19 • • Re: SuSE Software Management (by Warpengi at 2003-11-26 03:41:34 GMT)
I 1st tried SuSE on my test bed and yes the gui looks very nice and I wanted to try the configuration tools. Nothing like installing on your main system to really test-drive the os so that's what I have done.
I have given SuSE 1 week to see if it can improve on Mandrake. So far what I like about it is looks. The ability to download MS fonts during install is one reason for this. In Mandrake I can install MS fonts but it takes a bunch of configuring to get the MS fonts in use and then you open a window for a program you don't use often and the fonts are not so nice. YaST is very similar to Mandrake control centre and I can't say which I like better. Everything looks very nice in SuSE, of course that is a subjective opinion. It is fast and responsive, again very subjective. Having flash installed automatically is nice.
Is it worth the money when you can download Mandrake (and others) for free?This is only my 2nd day with SuSE so we will see how I feel in a week:).
20 • "As far as I know there is no command line use for YaST. " (by Anonymous on 2003-11-26 08:45:09 GMT)
"yast -i " including dependency checking. Only "yast" for fully funtional text mode configuration.
21 • Re: Re: SuSE Software Management (by Leo on 2003-11-26 14:27:36 GMT)
Nice overview Warpengi, yes, please drop a line in a week or so and tell us how you compare SuSE to Mandrake at this point. I am very interested. You sound far from opinionated and this is great.
One downside that I see in SuSE right now is that they got bought, and who knows what Novell is going to do with them ... maybe something cool, but you don't know until it happens. Remember the whole Corel story ?
:-(
22 • SUSE Educational (by Franz on 2003-11-26 15:57:30 GMT)
If you are a student in Canada or the USA, you can buy SUSE 9 Pro for around 50 US at http://www.ricis.com/edu/
23 • SuSE 5 CD Set Here For 9.99 (by Dennis at 2004-04-12 05:27:22 GMT)
You can get the 5 CD Set of SuSE 9.0 Pro here:
http://loveofscents.com/suselinx/suse_linux_9.htm
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