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1 • mdk9.2 (by Ian Parker at 2003-11-03 12:00:17 GMT) |
I've got LG drives, but had the opportunity to install it at work, it
hung halfway through the install, so I switched off and tried again.
It installed ok, I couldn't find the KATE editor, it looks like they
took it out which is disappointing, as thats one application I
use, and most applications worked with no problem but reported
they'd crashed when I can out of them?
I shall be sticking with MDK 9.1 for now, and await the next
Mandrake to try, and in the meantime try other operating
systems to see what makes them tick.
Mandrake is my main os but I also have solaris, freebsd, suse
and redhat, and have tried about 30 others.
2 • KATE in Mandrake Linux (by W T Zhu on 2003-11-03 12:49:44 GMT)
The simplest way of finding KATE in Mandrake Linux:
# urpmf kate | grep bin
And you'll be told it's in the package "kdebase-kate".
However, it's missed in the 3 ISO files; kdebase-kate is only included in the updates. You can get them from:
3 • 9.2 rocks (by Simone Riccio on 2003-11-03 13:20:47 GMT)
9.2 is really well done! it is fast and clean, works great on the desktop and server side! i flawlessly updated my servers at work via urpmi, no problem at all!
4 • Mandrake is still good (by Brian on 2003-11-03 14:02:44 GMT)
I've been using mandrake since 8.0. Each release is better than the next, and 9.2 is no exception. Sure, some people have been experiencing bugs, but that's to be expected. And it's a low percentage of people anyway. I installed 9.2 and have thus far had a wonderful experience.
5 • rock linux (by ray carter at 2003-11-03 14:03:03 GMT)
I've not tried 'rock linux', but from your description, perhaps a more suitable name might be 'MetaLinux'.
6 • Distribution Visibility (by David Mastny on 2003-11-03 15:11:18 GMT)
Perhaps it would be worthwhile to put distributions into searchable categories (for timesaver members). Each distribution could have multiple searchable categories and a description of what makes it different/better than other distros.
For example, Knoppix would have categories such as "Live CD" and "Easy-to-use." Fedora would be listed as "general purpose", kinda like a swiss-army knife of linux. Other categories would include "small size, router, security-focused, floppy-based, source-based, server-focused, desktop focused, ..." etc.
Of course, this would take an awful lot of work...
7 • MDK 9.2 (by TheClient at 2003-11-03 15:17:18 GMT)
I searched and found mandrake 9.2 updated cd set (appear to be cooker with date around 10/24/2003). It installed fine ON my PC (no LG drive). I noticed it seems to take longer to access drive/partition under /mnt directory.
8 • Mandrake 9.2 is very nice (by Leo on 2003-11-03 16:02:02 GMT)
I am running 9.2 in my three computers (desktop, laptop, workstation), and I am very happy with it. I installed it from frozen cooker. I've been applying the updates with no pain with MandrakeUpdate.
It's not perfect, but it is very sweet. I humbly think that using perl for their tools is not very helpful (why not python ?), and in fact not all the tools are as smooth as you would like them to be. Network profiles are sill not operational (a disadvantage for laptops) for instance. In general, I tend to admin with their tools, but I have to fire up WebMin every once in a while too. Granularity is good, but they are going too far IMHO, there are so many small packages at this point that some times in an upgrade you miss some packages that you end up hunting with the software installer. No big deal, but do we need 100+ kde packages ? (I have 118 installed myself, as per
rpm -qa |grep -c kde).
Their menues are still very nicely organized. Their approach is still very valid: Mandrake is intended to make your computing life easier, and they go a long way in this direction.
Mandrake is still an all around distro, and it is my choice for the time being and perhaps for a long time. The only competitor I personally see in the horizon is ArkLinux. We'll see ...
9 • MDK 9.2 (by TheClient at 2003-11-03 16:06:13 GMT)
I searched and found mandrake 9.2 updated cd set (appear to be cooker with date around 10/24/2003). It installed fine ON my PC (no LG drive). I noticed it seems to take longer to access drive/partition under /mnt directory.
10 • Linux for DC (by koz on 2003-11-03 16:49:57 GMT)
I really would like to see a distro intended for DC clients which would run from RAM and which could be booted from a pen drive.
11 • Mandrake 9.2 (by PastorEd at 2003-11-03 16:53:16 GMT)
I bittorrent-ed the iso's of mdk9.2, which was an excruciatingly SLOW task. I'm not on a T1 or anything, but I'm used to cable modem speeds of 150-200kps, so seeing a transfer rate of 5-10kps was very frustrating. Nevertheless, I just left my computer alone for 2 days, and EVENTUALLY I got all three ISOs.
Burned them (on my LG DVD-ROM/CD Burner), and rebooted - I chose the "upgrade" as I was already running 9.1, and I had installed Mandrake before, but never upgraded from one release to another.
In a word - flawless. I can't speak for anyone else's experience, but the 9.2 upgrade process had no glitches, no errors, no warnings. In short - it was BORING. Definitely NOT something I've come to expect from Linux.
Upgrade complete - reboot your machine. Okay... I did so, and WHOA... I have all KINDS of new entries in my LILO screen... and it's got a whole new bootsplash screen. I chose the newest kernel (2.4.22-10) and off we go.
So far, the change has been, well, wonderfully underwhelming. All my packages were upgraded to their 9.2 counterparts, and just flat out worked fine. All of my custom settings were untouched, my data was still there, and KATE seemed to have vanished. Hmm... now that's a bit odd.
But I don't consider myself a Mandrake purist... I've been using Texstar packages ever since the day I discovered them... so I went to the Texstar repository, downloaded all of the KDE 3.1.4 packages, and installed them all in one shot.
Poof. Upgraded KDE, Kate is back - along with a bunch of games I never bothered installing before, but I'm sure they'll suck up a bunch of my time!
All in all, a very painless process. My bootsplash screens are still an odd mixture of 9.1 and 9.2 screens... but the functionality is all there, without a hitch.
to wrap up: Mandrake 9.2 is, for me, a very good next step in Mandrake's progress. Painless, unobtrusive, solid.
to be honest... it's the thought that Texstar will be coming out with PCLinuxOS which is making me salivate. Once THAT distro is out, I'm sure I'll be switching.
12 • Mandrake 9.2 (by ArmsDealer on 2003-11-03 18:00:01 GMT)
I have heard that Mandrake 9.2 is Faster now if this is the case I am happy as long as it improves many features that could of been better implemented in 9.1 I had to use a work around to get sound in 9.1 but could not get it under 9.0!
The Command Centure crashed on my PC when trying to change options for hardware in 9.1 hope this has been fixed.
I do not buy LG I have Known one day their poor implementaion of the api standard would bite them in the butt! Mandrake can't Test every bit of hardware otherwize it would be relitivly bug free on hardware. Waits for the LXF cover DVD for MDK9.2
Getting a Opteron soon (I wont touch SUSE (broken)) and await the stable MDK 64Bit for AMD
13 • Lineage of Flonix? (by Paul F. Pearson on 2003-11-03 18:37:57 GMT)
From today's Distorwatch: "Flonix is a new distribution on our list, a live CD based on Damn Small Linux."
From this week's DWW, New Additions: " Flonix is a light-weight GNU/Linux operating system for personal computers. It is based on Knoppix."
From the Flonix web site: "It's based on Knoppix"
I'm sooo confused! :-)
14 • Flavor Lineage (by Adam on 2003-11-03 18:46:27 GMT)
You know, with all the new distros saying "based on XYZ", it's be neat to see a tree of Linux geneaology. I only mention it because DistroWatch is the place I'd expect to see it. :)
15 • MDK 9.2 (by G Y Shin at 2003-11-03 18:48:59 GMT)
Tried to install MDK 9.2 on my PC (Athlon XP 2400 running WinXP SP1) but got message "hard drive is too fragmented" even though I had JUST defragmented my drive.
Perhaps the built-in XP defragmenter is not up to scratch, but wouldn't other WinXP users encounter this problem?
Anyone else XPerience this problem?
16 • Mandrake 9.2 - thank you! (by SmilingBoy on 2003-11-03 18:58:23 GMT)
MDK 9.2 was great to install - first distro to have no trouble with my Highpoint RAID Controler out of the box. Almost felt a bit disappointed because everything just worked - I am not used to that!
17 • mdk 9.2 (by milen243 at 2003-11-03 20:02:49 GMT)
Hi from Bulgaria, I've been using the cooker version of Mandrake ( the one that is for developers and adding new feautures/bugfixes ),
and my general opinion about the newest release is that it overally good for a large distro, but still has some bugs to be fixed. I remember that there were some problems with the installer, especially in selecting which packeges would you like to install.
I also run Fedora Test 2&3 and i found Mandrake to be running better than it on my machine, though it's not fast compared to the smaller and more compact distros ( at least what I've heard).
Currently I'm downloading Ark Linux and Vector Linux, because i heard that they run faster, and are not as complex as a large distro like Mandrake or fedora.
If I have to caompare Mandrake with some other distros I'd say that it has a nice installation and configuration procedure, and is suitable even for novice users, which haven't made up thair mind what they like in the linux world.
In conclusion, I'd say that currently iMandrake 9.2 is one of my favourites, although I'd prefer a more compact and faster distro, but for now Mandrake is suitable for almost any job :-)
P.S. I tested it on a Pentium2 600MHz, 128 SDRAM with a Intel810i graphics card and still had some problems with the colours during the install. I guess they'll never fix that.
18 • mandrake 9.2 (by kevin at 2003-11-03 20:34:46 GMT)
the release looks good but thats the only good thing i can say.
no kernel source with the release preventing me from installing both my chipset drivers (nforce2) and my video card drivers (radeon 9800) and the kernel source they offer for download via the update program is /not/ the same as the one in the install.
19 • mandrake 9.2 (by tyga at 2003-11-03 21:36:00 GMT)
mandrake 9.2 looks nice, fairly easy to use if you only have a minimal comand line knowledge. I am still waiting for a distro to support my nforce 2 and radeon 9700pro, these 2 things alone make configuring an otherwise good distro almost as painful as going to the dentist. The absence of a kernel source on the iso makes it even more difficult as i cant get my network working in order for me to get it . Another major iritation is the lack of usb2 support ( admitedly not the fault of mandrake). I was very delighted to see during the install that a problematic rpm could be skipped during the install, very nice.
And of course, the price cant be beat. Good one Mandrake.
20 • RE: Lineage of Flonix? (by ladislav at 2003-11-04 00:30:33 GMT)
Yes, the Flonix web site claims that their distro is based on Knoppix. However, I downloaded it yesterday and saw that its immediate parent is in fact Damn Small Linux (which in turn is based on Knoppix, which in turn is based on Debian).
So what is Flonix based on? Damn Small Linux? Knoppix? Debian? The answer is: yes, yes and yes.
21 • RE: Lineage of Flonix? (by Paul F. Pearson on 2003-11-04 01:33:14 GMT)
"[Flonix's] immediate parent is in fact Damn Small Linux (which in turn is based on Knoppix, which in turn is based on Debian"
Ahh. I missed that connection (I'm a Slack user,so that branch of the Linux Family Tree is less familiar to me :-) ). So, does that make Debian a great-grandparent? I suppose Flonix chose to say "Knoppix derived' because of the name recognition.
22 • Mandrake 9.2 (by Rich Hughes at 2003-11-04 03:12:47 GMT)
I dropped Mandrake after installing 9.2. I had installed distro after distro for about a year, finally settling on Mandrake 9.1. It was a great, helped along by all of Texstar's packages. I thought I had found the perfect distro, but occasionally KDE would freeze or I would hit a random bug here and there. Still, having a wealth of updated packages from Texstar or PLF kept me going back. I even joined the club.
Then I tried Slackware 9.1, and it shocked me how fast it was compared to Mandrake. Much cleaner and most packages left out of the distro (MPlayer, K3b, WXpython, etc...) are easily found and installed on the web.
I installed Mandrake 9.2 and was really disappointed. It was slow, it froze within the first two hours I ran it. There were no screensavers in KDE. My menu changed after running Mandrake Update, and almost everything was missing. It wasn't hard to fix these things, but who wants to be fixing a brand new distro? There was no excitement like I felt after installing Mdk 9.1. Sadly, I really felt no benefit from being a member of Mandrake Club. I view the money more as a donation than I feel I got something valuable for it. Something seems to have changed at MandrakeSoft. I cannot put my finger on it, but the atmosphere has changed for the worse.
So I reinstalled Slack 9.1 and I think I have finally found the perfect distro for me. I recommend it to anyone. You will be pleasantly surprised.
23 • mandrake 9.2 (by Geert at 2003-11-04 04:17:30 GMT)
I am not going to install 9.2 for the moment: I am a desktop person, and there is no real leap from 9.1 in that field. 9.3 will come with KDE 3.2, that is worth an upgrade.
24 • 9.2 was worth it for me (by Jean Paul at 2003-11-04 08:43:07 GMT)
Maybe for advance users 9.2 not not much of an upgrade. I have tried at least 20 distro , in search of a decent desktop for an average user. Haven't got much luck. most installations are nightmares. But since trying the 9.2 release it's amazing how things have been. every single installation went with no problems. Speed is little the same as 9.1 , but defenitely woth my time. The less i use windows XP the happier i get :)
25 • Rock MetaLinux (by madhunter at 2003-11-04 09:17:13 GMT)
I like the term MetaLinux offered above, but I would keep the ROCK part of the name (it get's awful confusing when distros completely change their names). But what if they, and possibly others if they ever offer such, used the term MetaLinux as almost a new type of OS or project? I dunno... ROCK MetaLinux just sounded good, and my rationale is tough to think through at two in the morning.
26 • mdk 9.2 perfect! (by Ruud at 2003-11-04 19:31:26 GMT)
Had my doubts about mdk9.2 but i'm surprised and very happy.
Started with mdk rc1 and updates via ftp servers. No problems at all.
Minor point not the latest KDE (Where is it?). Latest kernel is working
perfect and even the ACPI (recompiled the kernel) is better then in other versions!
Tried RedHat is something else currently. Tried SuSe but do not like Novell.
Do not like SCO. Gentoo is not starting, Debian not realy friendly and
Mandrake still the best!
27 • MDK 9.2 (by BG at 2003-11-04 21:09:58 GMT)
I felt this distribution was rushed. I always loved MDK and used it since 8.2. However since I had lots of problems with this one which of course I could fix in the end I decided ti give a chance to the polished suse. Despite their lack of functionality when it comes to some multimedia (which can be easily fixed just by compiling the software yoursel) Suse is a very mature and polished distribution. So, back to your question, no, mdk will not stay on my desktop anymore, at least not for a while. :) You can't blame me. Suse is just beautiful. I always liked sthe suse look better than the dull look of mdk or redhat.
Anyway, I have to admit that after all the patches they released MDk 9.2 was running great even on my HP latop which initially didn't even boot (forgot the nolapic option). All in all, I hope they get over these problems. I might still pay my membership for next year since MDK is the first linux distribution I could ever use as a desktop OS with absolutely no problems whatsoever, and I might get back to it after fooling around with suse 9. But that will be at MDK 10. :) For what is worth mentionning i have a LG cd-burner and mdk 9.2 installed fine from that drive, and had no issue with it. The only "major" problem i had on the desktop beside the annoying desappearence of konsole kppp and the things which used to be there, oh and the kernel source, and now i had to install myself, well, nvidia drivers which worked always fine didn't work well with kernel 2.4.22-10mdk. Now this was fixed i guess since they got to 2.4.22-21mdk.
28 • MDK 9.2 (by Magovec at 2003-11-04 23:00:09 GMT)
Everything you want from desktop linux on one place cooked together.
If you are looking for very friendly, easy to install, nice looking, stable, fast and feature rich linux...look no more. Madrake is here for You!
I am using Mandrake 9.2 on two home machines with totally different hardware and found no problem. On the other hand I am using MDK (9.1 yet) on server and doing his job perfectly.
Yes, MDK 9.2 had some problems but I think it is normal when something big like Mandrake linux is beeing released.
29 • mandrake 9.2 (by Andrew at 2003-11-04 23:33:50 GMT)
I have used mandrake since 9.0 (Which was my first taste of linux). When upgradeing from 9.1 the only problem I encountered was that the login screen renmained unchanged from 9.1 On a fresh install I had no problems and found the boot-up and application speed to be noticably improved over 9.1 (Great job Mandrake) On the negative side they seem to have removed some nice features for the new user. KPPP is not installed by default, super user versions of konqueor and konsol are missing, kernel source is not included and recently used programs no longer appear on the program menu. I will be sticking with Mandrake and am not worried about a few bugs that are quickly fixed by patches but have to say that 9.2 is not as newbie friendly as 9.1.
30 • Mandrake 9.2 (by Rob at 2003-11-05 15:48:27 GMT)
I am very disappointed in Mandrake 9.2. I've had too many problems with it. my sound doesn't work, my flash card reader doesn't work, and twice my menus have disappeared, and I've had to restore them. all of these worked in Mandrake 9.1. Also my scanner is still not supported by Mandrake even though it apparently does work for others using Linux. All in all 9.2 seems to me like a "De-stabilization release". I was so impressed with 9.1 that I bought copies of 9.2 for my family and friends who have never used Linux. I had hoped that 9.2 would fix the few problems with 9.1 but now I do not feel that I can give them 9.2 without risk of leaving them with a bad impression of linux. I will be re-installing mandrake 9.1 at work as well as 9.2 has caused an even bigger mess there. I do have high hopes for the next release of Mandrake however. In the meantime I will be trying some other distros.
31 • ROCK MetaLinux (by Mike on 2003-11-05 17:02:17 GMT)
How about just calling it MetaL (as in MetaLinux)? Kind of makes sense to go from rock to metal.
32 • MDK 9.2 (by Warpengi at 2003-11-05 18:08:04 GMT)
This release feels to me like a very small point release. There is not a lot of difference on the desktop or in functionality. I don't have any problems with this release which is not to say that it is entirely bug-free. Just that any bugs I have experienced have been minor and/or fixable. That is certainly due in part because I have been running Mandrake since 8.1. The only bug that irritated me about this relase was getting urpmi set up. I'm not sure if this was a problem with the URPMI function or with the mirrors. I did get it set up eventually.
What I have discovered though is that I prefer the last release. Not because it is better but because many of the programs I have installed are not yet available for the latest release ie Ximian red-carpet and updater, gtk-gnutella(runs but it looks like ass). Many other rpm's are available for 9.1 that will be a while yet for 9.2.
Overall if this was my 1st install of Mandrake I would be happy with it. Having some preferences not included with the distro I think I won't be so quick to upgrade next time. This is not a good or bad thing just the way my use has changed.
33 • Linux (by Dwayne A Douglas at 2003-11-05 20:43:18 GMT)
I am currently forming a small business dealing with computers. Because of my lack of experience with Linux I will be working and out sourceing with others who are in the field. At this time I am looking for Linux companies who have the capability of altering what they already have or creating a new flavor of Linux for what I may need it for.
34 • Re: Linux (by Leo on 2003-11-06 20:14:24 GMT)
"At this time I am looking for Linux companies who have the capability of altering what they already have or creating a new flavor of Linux for what I may need it for."
I guess it depends on the size of your new business. If it really is small, I would try using a Linux Consultant at this point. See i.e.
When you get big enough, you can contact one of the sales department of the big Linux distros, they love to provide just what you need :-)
Good Luck !
35 • No subject (by janek kozicki at 2003-11-06 23:59:30 GMT)
i stumbled upon ROCK Linux distro once upon a time. read some about them. for a short while considered trying, but at last I didn't...
now I use their http://www.rocklinux.net/ [rock linux web portal] very often - because it has everything important in one place (UF+slashdot+distrowatch ;)
I like the name Open ROCK, I think that MetaLinux is good, but I also think that ROCK is the most important part of the name. (and rock metal is rather a type of music, isn't it? ;)
anyway how about: Power ROCK, Meta ROCK, ROCKopen Linux ?
36 • small technical suggestion (by janek kozicki on 2003-11-07 00:06:22 GMT)
oops, my previous post doesn't have a title, that's because I mistaken "Email address or full URL of homepage" with "Subject".
It's just me accustomed that first I write my name, then the subject, then additional info.... ... how about changing the fields order - or is that me - that I have wrong habits (possibly caused by the fact that I live in other country - poland)
37 • HPD of Mandrake: 1010 (by W T Zhu on 2003-11-08 11:57:12 GMT)
Mandrake's HPD has reached 1010. It's great. Mandrake is the lord of distributions :-)
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|• Issue 703 (2017-03-13): SolydXK 201701, CloudReady, Solus announces new features, KDE Connect sends text messages from desktop, openSUSE's YaST module for Let's Encrypt|
|• Issue 702 (2017-03-06): Fatdog64 Linux, elementary OS bundled with new netbook, Haiku announces new features, security and the size of a distro's development team|
|• Issue 701 (2017-02-27): OBRevenge 2017.02, Mageia 6 delays, NetBSD reproducible builds, questions about swap space, trying to steam video on a Raspberry Pi|
|• Issue 700 (2017-02-20): RaspBSD, Debian replaces Icedove with Thunderbird, Fedora's licensing guidlines, tips for switching shells, finding battery charge, getting IP address and killing processes|
|• Issue 699 (2017-02-13): Clear Linux, GhostBSD network utility ported to FreeBSD, Ubuntu coming to Fairphone, elementary OS crowd funding an app store|
|• Issue 698 (2017-02-06): Solus 2017.01.01, comparing containers with portable applicatins, Tails dropping 32-bit support, Debian Stretch enters freeze|
|• Issue 697 (2017-01-30): Subgraph OS 2016.12.30, running Ubuntu on an Android phone, Arch Linux phasing out 32-bit support, Linux Mint testing updated LMDE media|
|• Issue 696 (2017-01-23): GoboLinux 016, remotely running desktop applications, Solus adopting Flatpak, KDE neon using Calamares, TrueOS tests OpenRC|
|• Issue 695 (2017-01-16): Zorin OS 12, Peppermint team fixes installer bug, Debian refreshes Jessie media, Ubuntu improves low graphics mode, Exciting things coming in 2017|
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Madrid_Linux, or MAX for short, is an GNU/Linux distribution created by the Council of Education of Madrid, Spain. It is a live operating system based on Ubuntu. Besides the ability to boot the operating system on any computer, the distribution includes a graphical installer with an option to resize FAT or NTFS partition and create space for installing MAX on a hard disk.