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1 • Font sizes (by Drogo Knotwise at 2003-10-06 15:16:59 GMT) |
Why not use alternate style sheets? The default could be no font size specified, then have a OldFontSize style sheet, and a LargeFontSize style sheet. That would allow those of us with browsers that support that kind of thing to see all the fonts like we want to, whilst not changing the current state of affairs for the rest.
2 • The worst folks can complain about is font size? (by Paul F. Pearson on 2003-10-06 15:23:07 GMT)
Ladislav, I'd say that if the worst thing about your size has been nit-picky stuff like font size and whether or not the distros are listed alphabetically, then you can know that you're providing a *darn good* service! Keep up the good work - I visit daily, sometimes more often.
3 • Re: The worst folks can complain about is font size? (by Paul F. Pearson on 2003-10-06 15:25:36 GMT)
Ummm... I meant to say "if the worst thing about your site[...]" Sorry :-)
4 • Reviews, etc. (by madhunter at 2003-10-06 18:44:49 GMT)
This comment is toward any/all people who are looking to do reviews for distributions, software, etc... First off, I do not want to take any writers away from Distrowatch, but I wanted to let everyone know that we are always looking for people to write reviews over at MadPenguin.org. MadAdmin usually writes them, but it's almost to the point that he has more reviews to write than the time to do so. We have some contact info with companies, and apart from looking over the review to be sure there isn't anything in there that would create a conflict of interest with our site, you can write what you want. Just pop over and let us know...
5 • Font Size (by Lee at 2003-10-06 19:23:30 GMT)
I love Distrowatch, i check it more than once a day, and monday has become one of my favorite days thanks to the weeklys, but the recent font change has made the site very difficult to read, the font used to be a little small, but i never had a problem, now the font is soo big that i need to zoom in as much as possible, and then i have to change back for other websites, I have no knowledge on web development and/or fonts so i'm not sure of a solution, but i'll tell you what i'm in favor of a change.
6 • Font Size (by Jochem Kossen at 2003-10-06 20:52:20 GMT)
Thanks for removing the font sizes ladislav...much better this way. Keep up the good work! :-)
7 • Alternate stylesheets (by Kobold on 2003-10-06 22:13:11 GMT)
If the fonts are too big, check your browser settings. From what I just checked in Moz and Opera, the default text size is 16 points, which tends to be higher then comfortable reading threshold. Of course, it's not DW that is supposed to be blamed - the problem is that authors of your browser decided that 16 points is appropriate size for regular text. It can be easily fixed by dropping normal text size to 12 points or so (and setting minimum font size to 10 or 8 to make sure that those xx-small letters won't degenerate into six messy pixels).
8 • Writing Reviews :-P (by LPH at 2003-10-07 00:13:37 GMT)
I wish anyone luck who wants to write a review. It is hard work and takes dedication to check and recheck facts. Best of luck.
9 • Font size (by Lee on 2003-10-07 00:29:59 GMT)
wow that was easy,I was using Firebird and the default font size as you said was 16, way too large, i fixed it and the site looks great.thanks, Kobold.
10 • Opera version updates (by Kobold on 2003-10-07 01:44:37 GMT)
A small thing I just noticed - you list Opera as being updated to 7.21. However, there is no 7.21 release. The files in ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/721/final/ are considered to be 7.21 RC1: http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=33170 . It's released only when an announcement on opera.com appears.
11 • RE: Opera version updates (by ladislav at 2003-10-07 03:33:20 GMT)
It's released only when an announcement on opera.com appears.
You are right, of course. Just ignore the listing here and wait for the official announcement.
12 • Writing reviews (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-10-07 06:40:43 GMT)
"I wish anyone luck who wants to write a review. It is hard work and takes dedication to check and recheck facts. Best of luck." - Not all that much tedious work, thanks to Ladislav! :-D
13 • Font size (by Honaby at 2003-10-07 06:54:46 GMT)
Ever since I discovered DistroWatch I can never stop visiting this site. I'm a M$ Windows user but is struggling to move in to Linux. This site is most helpfull to me and the new font size is helping me read it better! But the small font size works for me too. Anyway, as most of you said already, it's just a browser adjustment.
14 • distributions that have changed their names (by Anonymous on 2003-10-08 04:39:25 GMT)
Corel Linux is now Xandros Linux due the the sale of the Linux assets by Corel to another corporation.
15 • re:ladislav (by Kobold on 2003-10-08 08:21:34 GMT)
The problem is that Distrowatch calls it a "release", while it is not - it is RC, and it can be pulled if a showstopepr bug is found. And this is exactly what happened - the buggy RC1 was replaced with RC2. Meanwhile, some people have downloaded the buggy RC1 because someone called it a "release" (I don't blame you, there are a lot of other sites that made the same error). I do understand that checking version of every program is hard and takes lots of time, but may I please ask you to be a little more careful in future?
Other then that, it's all nifty. Thanks for great site!
16 • re:ladislav (by Kobold) (by Vm. at 2003-10-08 09:57:16 GMT)
I think the checking is done automatically by bash scripts. I remember reading that somewhere on this site.
17 • Font Sizes (by L. Andrew Somerville at 2003-10-08 12:52:49 GMT)
I like big font. But that's just me. My website is in big font. If you like big font too, maybe we should start a collective.
Maybe I should start a big fint chat forum on Atlantica.
18 • Re: Opera 7.21 (by ladislav at 2003-10-08 13:19:14 GMT)
I don't see what the problem is. This site is here to inform you about new distribution (and package) releases and if a package is up on the FTP server and available for download, we 'll report it. Simple as that. This is how things have been here for a long time and I see no reason to change them. If you don't like this policy, nothing prevents you from waiting for the official announcement. We certainly won't force anybody to download and use an unannounced product, but we _will_ report about its availability.
19 • Big Font Chat Forum Is Up (by Andrew at 2003-10-08 13:28:54 GMT)
Go to: http://chat.andrewonline.ca and click on big font chat.
20 • DistroWatch THIRD in Google :-) (by Leo on 2003-10-08 16:27:49 GMT)
A search for "linux distributions" gets DistroWatch in the 3rd place. In singular form, "linux distribution", DW gets listed in 4th place. Very impressing, this speaks about the popularity of DW, good work Ladislav !
21 • Re: ladislav (by Kobold on 2003-10-10 05:20:48 GMT)
The problem is that the file on FTP is a Release Candidate snapshot, that usually does have last-moment regressions. It is not "we made the package and now someone has to write the announcement". It's "we uploaded a Release Candidate, tell us if it breaks your computer or eats your cat". That was the official position of Opera Software for a lot of time already.
The RCs are getting replaced with newer builds that have some bugs fixed (and maybe even introduced). For example, 7.21 for Windows is currently at RC4, and Linux one got pulled completely because of some showstopper bug. If you list packages with that grade of stability as "releases", some of your readers could possibly get burnt. This is the problem with your current treatment of Opera packages. Of course, I do understand your position and won't take any more of your time is you don't agree with me.
22 • Re: Opera 7.21 (by ladislav at 2003-10-11 02:41:23 GMT)
>i>The problem is that the file on FTP is a Release Candidate snapshot
Forgive me, but we are talking about a version of Opera which was uploaded to the "7.21/final" directory on the Opera FTP server. In fact, I downloaded it myself and this is what the "About" dialog reports:
Version 7.21 Final
If this was indeed a release candidate (as you claim) instead of a final version, then they sure tried hard to hide the fact.
As for users getting burnt, I believe that those people who are scared of playing with fire have already settled on using Woody or something equally well-tested. But those of us who choose to install something more recent are always in danger of installing a package with a critical bug or two. How many times it happened that a "final" release was pulled and replace with another one within 24 hours? It even happened with the Kernel:
That's just a way things are and that's another reason why we are here - enjoying the excitement of new software releases and new distributions to play with. Not so?
23 • re: ladislav (by Kobold on 2003-10-11 07:40:42 GMT)
YOu are correct, Opera guys don't bother changing that data in about box. As do, for example, OpenOffice guys (my old beta of 1.1 used to say just 1.1). Unfortunately, not many developers actually care about what the about box says :(
If you want confirmation of that version being an RC, look here: http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=33170 . An Opera developer clearly states that the RC is uploaded and it would be promoted to release if everything is fine, even though the directory is labeled "final".
I don't mean that DW should avoid publishing links to packages that appear without announcement. I just ask for clearly labeling Rcs as Rcs and releases as releases.
24 • Fonts again (by ladislav at 2003-10-11 10:06:21 GMT)
I am afraid to report that the font experiment turned out to be a disaster. Those who used to complain about the font sizes being too small were happy after all font-size specifications were removed from CSS files, but as you can see above, a new, fonts-are-too-large group of complainants quickly replaced them.
I looked at other web sites using UTF-8 encoding to see how they solve the problem. MandrakeClub.com goes around the font issue by specifying the font size at 12 pixels. I did the same here, so everybody who hasn't overridden the font size in their browser preferences should get the same font size - 12 pixels high.
Please let me know how thing look now. This is yet another experiment on the road to a perfect, flawless and bug-free web site full of useful information and no reasons for any complaints what so ever :-)
25 • Happy Camper (by John Lowell on 2003-10-11 17:46:37 GMT)
From this guy's perspective, the fonts are now just fine!
I'd been in the group of "the-fonts-are-too-large" complainers. And yes, my resolution is 800X600. If it is of any more help, I am currently viewing DistroWatch from Arch Linux using Firebird with Lucida fonts and a minimum setting of 12.
I'm pleased things are resolved.
26 • Maybe Not So Happy A Camper (by John Lowell on 2003-10-11 18:24:19 GMT)
Hello Again, Ladislav,
A closer look at the home page discloses one problem which continues to dog the site's appearance, even with the new font arrangement. The text on the right side of the main page encroaches onto the area set aside for listing the 100 distros vertically. This problem was considerably more pronounced earlier but has as yet to be resolved it would seem.
I was too quick to conclude that everything is fine.
27 • Opera and Font Size (by Honaby at 2003-10-12 13:37:23 GMT)
I think Ladislav is has the right to post Opera as "Release" because it is clearly marked as "Final" not "RC". If Kobold has a problem, I think he should direct it to the Opera Developers. Anyways, did Kobold encountered a problem when he downloaded and installed Opera 7.1 when he saw it here in Distrowatch?
Re: Fonts, I like it as it is! Not too small, and not too big!
More power to Distrowatch! By the way, can we start a "SUSE LINUX on ISO Initiative!" hehehe... for me, SUSE is the best! (I tried, RedHat, Mandrake, Yoper, Slackware, Debian, Knoppix, Lycoris, and Gentoo... already) SUSE seems to be the best alternative to Windows without limiting the power of Linux! (This is just a comment! hehehe!)
28 • Font Change (by pr0c on 2003-10-13 00:56:00 GMT)
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