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| DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 16, 22 September 2003 |
Debian releases Sarge "netinst" CDs
Debian has released new netinst.iso images for the upcoming stable release, code name Sarge. Although the installation is still in text mode, one major improvement over the Woody netinst CD is the autodetection of hardware. This is a very useful enhancement as it will no longer be necessary to manually select the correct kernel modules during installation. Of course, those who prefer the old manual way and those who need to pass optional parameters to modules can still do so. The netinst CDs are still under development so don't expect everything to work flawlessly. They come in two sizes - 60MB or 120MB and you can download them from here.
How to upgrade to Mandrake Linux 9.2 without re-installing
Since a new Mandrake release should be out any time now, I decided to see how easy it is to upgrade -- without re-installation -- a vanilla Mandrake 9.1 release to version 9.2 (or more precisely, to the current "Cooker" version). At the time of writing, Mandrake Cooker is probably very close to what Mandrake 9.2 will look like, sans some last minute bug fixes. I followed these two documents to help me with the upgrade: Cooker HOWTO and How to upgrade Mandrake easily with only one reboot, but to sum it all up: after updating the urpmi source to point to the nearest mirror containing the "cooker" directory, only three commands were needed to upgrade the entire distribution:
urpmi.update -a
urpmi --auto-select --no-verify-rpm --auto
urpmi kernel
The process took several hours, but it did eventually complete without a hitch. The upgrade process with urpmi was a surprisingly positive experience, similar to upgrading Debian. Upon reboot, I found myself in a brand new Mandrake Linux 9.2 (almost final). As soon as the final version is released, I will simply update my urpmi sources to point to the 9.2 directory (instead of the "cooker" directory) and run the above three commands again. This will bring my Mandrake system up to 9.2 final, without going through the re-install process with a new set of ISO images. It seems that Mandrake developers have done an excellent job with their urpmi utility and the hard work of splitting the binary packages into core packages and libraries has paid off.
Has anybody been using Cooker instead of the stable release? What are your experiences? Please discuss below.
Encouraged by the success of updating Mandrake, I went on to try the same with other major distributions - Debian, Red Hat, Slackware and SuSE. It was a very interesting experiment and you will find the full report about the successes and failures in this week's edition of Linux Weekly News on Thursday.
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A very busy week for distribution releases, both stable and development versions.
GNOPPIX 0.5.4
A new GNOPPIX release: "The GNOPPIX project proudly announces the release of version 0.5.4 of the GNOPPIX Linux live CD. Version 0.5.4 come with lots of improvements compared to the 0.5-x series. This version includes lots of additional software to make it more usable and it's capable of some languages (pass "lang=LG" where LG is your country code). Grab it from the download section." See the announcement on the distribution's home page and further details in the changelog.
Kurumin Linux 2.03
The Kurumin project released Kurumin Linux 2.03 with two major new features. The first one ("knoppix toram") is the ability to load the entire system into RAM without having to keep the Kurumin CD in the CD-ROM drive. This option requires at least 256MB of memory. The second new feature (e.g. "knoppix tohd hda2") is the ability to run the system from free space within a temporary partition on a hard disk (currently only FAT, ext2 or ext3 file systems are supported). As for package updates, MPlayer has been upgraded to version 1.0pre1. Find more information in the announcement and on the Kurumin 2.03 page (both links in Portuguese).
Cool Linux 2.3
Cool Linux 2.3 was released. From the changelog: "Fixed mount CD problem, now first CD is Cool Linux CD; added timeouts in bootup procedure - 30 seconds for kernel select and 15 seconds for other options select; if detected PS/2 mouse, then you can select mouse wheel present; XFree86 now works without font server (xfs); updated e2fsprogs, reiserfsprogs and xfsprogs; DVD desktop shortcut now launches xine; updated MPlayer to version 1.0pre1; added avidemux2 video converter..." The rest of the changelog.
Plamo Linux 3.3
The Plamo Linux project, a Slackware-based Japanese Linux distribution, released Plamo Linux 3.3. Besides upgrades to Linux Kernel 2.4.22 and KDE 3.1.3, this version is mostly a bug fix release. Plamo 3.3 information and errata (in Japanese).
Yellow Dog Linux 3.0.1
Terra Soft Solutions updated its Yellow Dog Linux product to version 3.0.1: "Yellow Dog Linux v3.0.1 ships with all errata as of 2003/09/04, kernel 2.4.22 (Xserve rev2, PowerBook 17" rev1 sans fan support), and improved installer (no more dual drive bug!). Available now from the Terra Soft Store and YDL.net Enhanced accounts." See the announcement on the distribution's home page and the YDL 3.0 errata page for further details.
Lycoris Desktop/LX Update 3
The long awaited Lycoris Desktop/LX, Update 3 was finally announced late on Friday. This is the distribution's first stable release for almost 14 months. Unlike the last stable release - Update 2, this one is not available for free download, although according to community information, it will be possible to update a recent beta build to the final version with Lycoris's update utility later this week. The full ISO images will be released to general public on 1 November 2003, claims this post. The pricing has changed too, the single-CD edition now costs US$40 (Update 2 was US$20) and the Deluxe edtiion, which includes development libraries and source code now retails for US$50 (Update 2 was US$40). Users who had previously purchased Lycoris Desktop/LX and have a valid license can take advantage of a special upgrade price of US$15 (media only). Read the full release announcement.
Puppy Linux 0.7
A new distribution on our list, Puppy Linux is a minimalist distribution that can boot off a flash card or any USB memory device, CDROM, Zip disk or LS/120/240 Superdisk, floppy disk or from an internal hard drive. Version 0.7 was released on Sunday: "Puppy Linux version 0.7 has just been uploaded. The Puppy web pages need to be updated - allow me some time to sift through them. This is the 'big K' version, which has The Qt library v2.3 and two applications that use the library, Konqueror-embedded web browser and Scribus desktop publishing v0.6. Konq-e is about 6MB, Qt about 5MB, Scribus about 1.2MB." See the rest of the announcement.
Knoppix 3.3
A brand new Knoppix 3.3 (V3.3-2003-09-22) was released early this week. From the changelog: "Added AX25 protocol support on request; boot option tohd=hda1 changed to tohd=/dev/hda1 for consistence; new and improved unofficial installer "knoppix-installer" from Fabian Franz; service menu for Samba export; re-added xchat; ddcxinfo-knoppix now uses extended monitor modelines from Kano by default." See the complete changelog and package list.
Slackware-Live 2.9.0.22
A new Slackware-Live was also released early this week. New in version 2.9.0.22: "Added new kernel 2.4.22 with XFS support, precompiled from Slackware; added new hotplug 2003_08_05; added alsa sound drivers, kernel modules and binaries; added cups, dvd+rw tools, fluxbox 0.9.6pre1, mplayer 1.0pre1; fixed some configsave, configrestore and proftpd config bugs." More details in the changelog and package list. Besides the release, another new addition to the Slackware-Live web site is a discussion forum.
Development Releases
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Red Hat Linux
Expect a major announcement from Red Hat later today - yes, again. That's because preparations for hurricane Isabel threatening North Carolina last week were more important than public relations so the much expected announcement about the new name and future direction of the Red Hat Linux Project was postponed by 1 week: "We are excited to announce that we are working on an alliance with another well-known provider of Red-Hat compatible packages. We are doing work on renaming the project and will re-launch the web site after that renaming is done. In the meantime, a wide range of updates to the first test release of Severn, including GNOME 2.4, are available on RHN in the "Red Hat Linux (Severn) 9.0.93 - Beta Updates" channel. Please subscribe and update! We will update our web site with the new name and new schedule by Monday the 22nd of September, weather permitting. The exact timing of the next test release of Severn will depend on the weather and on our weather preparations; for now all we know for sure is that our weather preparations will not allow us to make a release this week."
SuSE Linux 9.0 available for pre-order
If you live in Germany or neighbouring countries, you can now pre-order SuSE Linux 9.0 from Amazon.de:
According to Amazon.de, the product is scheduled to start shipping on 23 October. Also check out the new look SuSE web site, which has been re-designed - quite possibly for the upcoming official announcement of SuSE Linux 9.0. As always, we'll keep you up-to-date.
Onebase Linux 2.0
Onebase Linux has announced version 2.0, due to be released tomorrow: "The next major release Onebase 2.0 is expected to be released on September 23rd. It will include a number of changes like replacing the buggy install-log logging utility, improvements to the installer, bringing a major change to the OLM with a new framework by providing global variables, three-script to one-script formulae, new features and much more. Post your suggestions, todos and changes you require for the 2.x."
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New additions
- Puppy Linux. Yes, Puppy Linux is yet another Linux distribution. What's different here is that Puppy is extraordinarily small, yet quite full featured. Puppy boots into a 48MB ramdisk, and that's it, the whole caboodle runs in RAM. Unlike live CD distributions that have to keep pulling stuff off the CD, Puppy in its entirety loads into RAM. This means that all applications start in the blink of an eye and respond to user input instantly. Puppy Linux has the ability to boot off a flash card or any USB memory device (flash-Puppy), CDROM (live-Puppy), Zip disk or LS/120/240 Superdisk (zippy-Puppy), floppy disks (floppy-Puppy), internal hard drive (hard-Puppy).
New on the waiting list
DistroWatch database summary
- Number of distributions in the database: 175
- Number of discontinued distributions: 24
- Number of distributions on the waiting list: 66
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On Probatus Spectra Linux
- Raimo Koski has sent in this information regarding the Probatus Spectra Linux distribution: "Probatus as a company will be soon gone, but Spectra Linux has been sold with two books by me and Tomi Kajala in Finland. In fact it has been the most sold Linux distribution in Finland with approximate market share of over 60% (might be as high as 90%). Spectra Linux is still somewhat supported and Finnish speakers can use the address http://www.raimokoski.com/. My site has limited international bandwidth and downloading Spectra should be impossible from outside Finland. HTML pages can be viewed from anywhere."
On Sun's Java Desktop System
- "Is it possible to have the new Sun distribution to be listed?"
According to this page, Sun's new Linux distribution called Java Desktop System will only be available in December 2003. Sun does not provide much technical information about the product at this stage, but according to a few early beta reviews, the Java Desktop System is based on SuSE Linux 8.2. It goes without saying that as soon as Java Desktop System is released, it will be added to this site's database.
That's all for this week, keep well and see you next Monday :-)
Ladislav Bodnar
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1 • Font (by Kobold on 2003-09-22 09:40:20 GMT)
Ladislav, are you feeling comfortable with the fonts you use on the site? It is really hard to read a lot of text if letters like o,e,a,c are mere 5 pixels high. Increasing fonts size with Ctrl + in Firebird (all settings are default) makes it much more readable. Can you just bump it up one notch? Or there is some hidden consequence of such action that I am not aware of?
2 • RE: Font (by ladislav at 2003-09-22 10:38:27 GMT)
I get periodic email about this. My view is that font sizes you see on web sites are entirely determined by your browser settings, rather than by web page designers. There was a time when font size indeed mattered, but nowadays all modern browsers are designed in such a way that it is entirely up their users to set font sizes. Check your Firebird options where you can set a minimum font size or check the "always use my fonts" checkbox. I think it is a better solution than if I tried to please thousands of different visitors, all with different eye sights and font size requirements.
Any other opinions about this?
3 • Re[2]: Fonts (by Kobold on 2003-09-22 11:23:19 GMT)
Well, setting the higher hard minimum in browser is not a good thing, since many pages use small text in right way - for some information that is not important enough to take a lot of space. Futhermore, I often use different machines and it's a pain in the arse to change settings everywhere.
You can't please everyone, but you can try to choose the reasonable default size that fits most people. Size is right when number of people complaining about it being too small equals the number of people complaining that it is too large ;). What you got now is definitely on the really small side and is comfortable only for those who got 800x600 on a 19" monitor. Why don't you try to bump it up for a while and check what your visitors would tell you?
4 • Mandrake Cooker (by Jochem Kossen at 2003-09-22 11:39:24 GMT)
I have been running Cooker now for about two months (i regularly change distributions, don't ask me why), and it has been running quite well all the time. Only experienced some minor glitches which mostly were solved within a day, and some things not related to Mandrake. One advantage is that _many_ people run Mandrake, so you're never alone with your problem.
URPMI works great, just one disadvantage: with every change/update in Cooker you have to download some hdlist.cz files which are imho very big (main is 19 MB, contrib about the same i think). It would be nicer to just have to download a small file containing what's changed since the last update (hdlist split up per transaction/update or something).
About the fonts on the site: just don't set the size of the fonts, and use a generic font family (sans, sans-serif). (I need the ctrl-+ kludge as well ;))
That way, users always see the font they prefer/have set in their personal settings.
5 • RE: Font (by ladislav at 2003-09-22 12:16:44 GMT)
I am still not convinced. The font sizes haven't changed for 2 years and I get maybe one mail every two months complaining about fonts being too small. Anyway, I've increased the size in CSS from x-small to small. Is it better? If not, I'll set it to normal, or try removing the font-size attributes completely.
6 • Onebase: change in schedule (by P.B.Prabhuram at 2003-09-22 13:07:22 GMT)
The release of Onebase 2.0 will be delayed until next week, because of continued development. It will be a "revolution" version with a new powerful and more flexible OLM framework that can make a user to install applications in 10 hours or 10 minutes. Hope you get it :-)
7 • Cooker and ML 9.2 (by Leo on 2003-09-22 13:47:47 GMT)
I've been running cooker in one machine since the betas, and in another one since the release candidates. Mos of the glitches had to do with changes in rpm and urpmi, but there was always a workaround. Sometimes a kernel wouldn't boot, but hey, you keep a bunch of them in /boot and /lib, you never *upgrade* a kernel.
Overall, 9.2 is a bug-fix, stable release more than anything. Some packages have new features Open Office, KOffice, Gnome, but some not. The theme here is stability, usability and polish. It ROCKS.
However, Ladislav, I would NOT ENCOURAGE people to upgrade from COOKER. I think it is risky, after all it is the experimental version of Mandrake. It would be much safer to wait for ML 9.2, point urpmi to a ML 9.2 mirror, and go from there. If people start using Cooker as the
"current mandrake" they will get an unfair judgment about Mandrake. Cooker is for testers, not a production distro. I know, we are close to release and all, but still ...
Also, you can do the upgrade from the software installer. Pick the new distro mirror as your medium, update your database (all from the GUI), and finally go to the installer and ask it to show you "all packages by upgrade availability". You check the box to upgrade them all, and see the magic flow. :-)
Cheers !
8 • Debian Sarge (by Isamoor at 2003-09-22 14:00:06 GMT)
Just last week I tried to use the latest debian sarge images. I still ran into some trouble with the updated partitioning tool, but the rest ran smooth. I of course immidiatly hosed the install and tried to do it again. I did a net install the second time and it failed because some of the packages on the server had already been updated since I downloaded the iso. Maybe they need to account for that and run an apt-get update first somehow.
Also, when I dropped back to woody and upgraded to sid, it took me forever to figure out it was the "discover" and "mdetect" packages that I wanted to provide hardware detection. I know there is a debian-desktop initiative, but they could use just putting out a modified handbook for a desktop install.
9 • Major announcement from RedHat: Fedora (by Anonymous on 2003-09-22 15:19:26 GMT)
http://fedora.redhat.com/
10 • Mandrake 9.2 cooker (by Jens Wedel at 2003-09-22 15:39:59 GMT)
I have upgraded my Mandrake 9.2 RC2 with cooker. I think its the final version 9.2 rigtht now. When i do a cat /etc/mandrake-release it`s says "mandrake 9.2 (torrent) and not anything about cooker.
Jens Wedel
http://www.linuxin.dk
http://www.linuxgames.dk
11 • Re: Fonts (by DaveW on 2003-09-22 15:48:00 GMT)
This strikes me as a browser problem. Galeon's earlier incarnations had "use own fonts" and "use own colors" as menu items. You could easily toggle to preset values when the site you were viewing used the wrong size/style fonts for your setup, or to override the "designer's" decision to put brown text against a purple background. For reasons I can't imagine, they dropped this great feature in later versions -- some kind of ideological crap? Anybody know the reasons?
Anyway, I hope M Firebird adds this soon. In the meantime, I see there's a Zoom Text Extension that should fix the immediate problem.
PS. It would be interesting to see an article that explains why the Galeon folks decided to downgrade their browser. Ie, no more "use own xxx", and much harder to customize than the earlier versions.
12 • Ooh look! Shiny new name! (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-09-22 16:14:10 GMT)
My goodness! I was a huge Red Hat fan at Red Hat 8.0. I still recommend it as a lifetime companion for gaming, browsing, developing, authoring, general use, and server applications. Red Hat 9 is a joke with a pile of STILL unresolved bugs. Red Hat 8.0.94, the beta to 9, runs almost flawlessly! Red Hat 9.0.93 is lacking features and software. Galeon? They claim it won't work with the included Mozilla. I installed it right out and it worked fine. But what really bothers me is that the users on the mailing list are coming up with very good ideas which are not being accepted.
As many here know, I have always been a big Red Hat, oh I'm sorry, Red Hat Project fan, but what on Earth has been happening over this past year?
Reading the description of Fedora, I see one of two possibilities. 1) They will actually make development more open, resulting in an OS that lacks a competitive edge: singlemindedness of design. -or more likely- 2) They have the best of intentions, but it's just going to end up the same as before.
At the moment, I'm using Slackware-current with the 2.6-test5 kernel (and yes, the nVidia 3D drivers). It has Gnome 2.4. Upgrading required reading the instructions and a bit of creativity (and there seems to be a bug in the newest LiLo which causes the system to no longer boot, but GRUB works fine.) I just installed Slackware 9 and GRUB and built the 2.6 kernel, then I did upgradepkg --install-new /slackware-current/slackware/*/*.tgz. Reboot, and everything worked! (The 2.6 kernel is gonna be SWEET! I adore ALSA. Gnome 2.4 is good, though I prefer 2.2 as it seems a bit faster. I can't say anything good about Metacity, though...sorry.)
Using Slackware, one of the things that pleases me most is how well it works. It's as if all developers write software for Slackware and the other distributions have to adapt it to work for themselves. I guess that owes to Slackware's standards adherance. Besides that, Slackware is very fast! I'd love to see a Slack-based distribution with SuSE-sized helpings of software. I want something for my customers. I'll probably end up making one, and it ain't gonna be pretty. )-:
Regarding fonts, I have no problem reading it on a 14" screen at 1280x1024. Anti-aliased fonts make an enormous difference.
Regarding Sun's Java Desktop, does this mean we'll have an interpreter running on top of an interpreter?
13 • Re: Font (by Jochem Kossen at 2003-09-22 18:17:06 GMT)
ladislav: on my screen this font is readable. Much better IMHO! thanks!
14 • What an exciting day in distro-world!! (by Charles at 2003-09-22 19:42:45 GMT)
Wow, I have a lot to play with when I get home tonight.
Thanks a lot for the great work Ladislav, we appriciate it much more than you know!!
Charles
15 • Java desktop (by Joshua Lee on 2003-09-22 21:22:07 GMT)
Sun doesn't call it "Java desktop" because "it's an interpreter running on an interpreter". It's because it's a marketing buzzword, the desktop is based on GNOME 2, just like some other Linuxes. This is a mistake IMHO, much like Microsoft's decision to .Net everything.
16 • Fonts (by Adam on 2003-09-23 00:00:02 GMT)
I find the fonts hard to read. (Windows, Mozilla - I'm at work.) I *can* crank the size up, but then I have to drop it back down for othre sites. I notice in your style sheet most of the fonts are set to "small" or "x-small", which is smaller than average. As suggested above, maybe you can test some larger (i.e normal size) fonts for a month or so, and see if there's a positive response?
17 • font size (by brian q at 2003-09-23 02:07:34 GMT)
Font was smallish before, but in the past few weeks I think it shrank again. I am using Mozilla 1.4 on Win2000, and I change text size to 150% or larger to read it (View --> Text Zoom). The problem is that future pages can have enormous fonts and the pages don't format correctly as a result. Easy to switch back though.
Regardless, great site. Reading distrowatch reminds me of standing at the ice cream counter, overwhelmed by all the flavors to choose from.
18 • Thank you! (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-09-23 04:18:54 GMT)
"Wow, I have a lot to play with when I get home tonight.
Thanks a lot for the great work Ladislav, we appriciate it much more than you know!!
Charles"
You know, I feel awful that I haven't thanked you before. Distrowatch has helped me more than any single distribution has. I not only find out what version of software is installed in which distributions, I can find out what the most up-to-date version is and download the source IN ONE CLICK! I can find the *correct* websites for distributions. I don't have to sign up for 160 mailing lists, assuming there even are mailing lists for all distributions, and assuming I can even figure out how many distributions there are. I just load DistroWatch.com and in seconds I know if there's news! You've created THE authoritative source for Linux information. Just about all the other websites, many of which you link to for reviews, are just fluffed up with opinion and emotion.
"Sun doesn't call it "Java desktop" because "it's an interpreter running on an interpreter". It's because it's a marketing buzzword, the desktop is based on GNOME 2, just like some other Linuxes. This is a mistake IMHO, much like Microsoft's decision to .Net everything."
And thank you, too, Joshua Lee. It may be a mistake to call it Java Desktop, but not as much of a mistake as an actual Java desktop would have been! :-D I have yet to see a case where a name change was a good idea. Well, perhaps Lucent, maker of low quality chips and cooked books, was smart to change its name to Agere, maker of low quality chips at high prices.
19 • Galeon!! There needs to be a major discussion about it! (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-09-23 04:34:25 GMT)
"PS. It would be interesting to see an article that explains why the Galeon folks decided to downgrade their browser. Ie, no more "use own xxx", and much harder to customize than the earlier versions."
Amen DaveW!! I was beginning to think that I was the only person who didn't like the newest Galeon.
So far, the best Galeon I have seen was the one in Red Hat 8.0. If I could get it to work in Mozilla 1.4 without problem, when I'd hop right to it. They had everything right. If you had multiple tabs open and you tried to close the whole window, it would warn you about the multiple tabs. You could instantly change the font size up or down by 10% or enter in a font size. Under "Tabs", you could shuffle tabs between windows. It would start up and ask you what kind of special toolbar stuff you want. It would automatically guess the remainder of the URL in a well thought out way. It had a tighter, cleaner, easier to understand, and much much more capable set of navigational (and related) buttons. Now what?! NOTHING!! And it takes up more CPU cycles, crashes more, and seems to forget my URL history in certain windows. What new features do we get in the version that comes with Gnome 2.2+? A slightly nifty start screen. That's about it.
Something must be done! At the moment, I'm using Galeon, because that's where all my bookmarks were when I switched from Red Hat to my Slackware-based home-brew. But to be honest, even Mozilla looks better at this point!
When I last tried Galeon in Mandrunk, it was sorely lacking features. The newest Red Hat is just plain *lacking* it. Slackware 9.0 doesn't have it, but Slackware-current has such a wimpy version that it might as well not be here. I really don't know how Galeon and Mozilla cooperate, and Galeon's always been a whiny baby when it comes to installation, so I don't think I'll be able to, but I plan to try to resurrect Galeon from Red Hat 8.0. I *guess* that means dropping from Mozilla 1.4 to 1.0, but I didn't really see any improvement in Mozilla between 1.0 and 1.4 anyway. If anyone else shares my sense of despair and urgency, please do email me! Or, you can reach me via ICQ at 6730681, AIM at benvanderjagt, or YIM at benvanderjagt.
I guess I'll try to smash my system now. :-]
20 • Hello;Personal (by Andre` B Thomas at 2003-09-23 05:21:43 GMT)
Hi. it`s been a while since we last talked.I`m pretty busy
at work/life and I don`t have a lot of time for the things and people I like,but such is life.I hope "my island" is treating you and your loved ones well.
Andre`
21 • (Offtopic, maybe): LGIS Gnu Linux 9.0 (by L Gandolfo at 2003-09-23 05:46:47 GMT)
Ladislav,
I have tried the above mentioned distro and I found it one of the best ever.
It is Red Hat 9 plus Ximian Desktop 2. Beautiful!
Also, it is a lot more stable than Red Hat, maybe because it incorporates many bugfixes, or maybe because of XD2.
I feel that it fully deserves to be in the main list.
And also from me a big, big thank you for running such a great site and for doing such a thorough job!
22 • RE: LGIS Gnu Linux 9.0 (by ladislav at 2003-09-23 07:04:12 GMT)
I feel that it fully deserves to be in the main list.
As you wish:
http://www.distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lgis
23 • RE: LGIS Gnu Linux 9.0 (by Ladislav) (by L Gandolfo at 2003-09-23 09:09:59 GMT)
Thank you very much indeed!
I think those people who have done such a great job do deserve it.
24 • Re: Font (by Ariszlo at 2003-09-23 10:47:09 GMT)
Please, use normal font size by default and use small only in fine print such as disclaimers and the like. Let your visitors decide what font size they like. Don't take away their freedom. Here is a link:
http://webtips.dan.info/force.html
25 • Re: Mandrake 9.2 cooker (by W T Zhu on 2003-09-23 11:12:05 GMT)
Is Mandrake 9.2 RC2 the 9.2 final version? Probably. Or, one or two iso images will remain unchanged in the final release.
26 • RE: Mandrake 9.2 RC2 (by L. Gandolfo at 2003-09-23 18:35:45 GMT)
No, RC2 is not the final version (obviously, it is a 'release candidate')
Also expect major changes in the final (more packages), as the developers have asked the club members if they'd rather have 700 MB isos, and the great majority has voted in favor.
27 • Re: Mandrake 9.2 cooker (by W T Zhu on 2003-09-24 11:54:43 GMT)
Wedel noticed that when he did a cat /etc/mandrake-release, it says 9.2 (torrent) and not anything about cooker. I also noticed that Mandrake had started to provide 9.2 updates, which can be found in any one of the mirror sites. This leads me to believe that 9.2 rc2 is actually 9.2 final.
However, here comes one of those annoying days to the GNU/Linux administrators. Proftpd and OpenSSH both compromised, and visitors to distrowatch.com should have also noticed that there was an update to the DNS daemon, bind. MandrakeSoft has to apply those latest fixes before releasing 9.2 finally.
28 • Re: Mandrake 9.2 cooker (by ladislav at 2003-09-24 13:52:43 GMT)
The way I understand it, cooker keeps getting updated until the moment when it is declared stable and the entire directory is copied and renamed to the latest version (9.2 in this case). But cooker is still changing on a daily basis and some of the package versions (gnumeric, nautilus) were upgraded after rc2. There is just no way that rc2 is final. I am really surprised to see your speculation, given that you are a big Mandrake expert and fan.
29 • W T Zhu (by Re: Mandrake 9.2 cooker on 2003-09-25 01:50:20 GMT)
Cooker is always changing on a daily basis. Most bugs reported by the users will be investigated and hopefully be fixed within one day or so. Since cooker is a development distribution, it should never be believed “stable”, and MandrakeSoft doesn’t release a distribution UNTIL THE MOMENT WHEN COOKER IS DECLARED STABLE – MandrakeSoft releases the distribution when it comes to the end of March or September of the year. In other words, although the distribution does begin with a snapshot of cooker, this process is based on the company’s schedule or simply the calendar, and less based on a technical stabilization. What’s more, I don’t think the testing version is simply a copy of the entire cooker directory – quite a few packages may be removed, say, according to the voting results of MandrakeClub members. After that, the developers will focus on bug fixes and other work such as internationalization, while cooker evolves on its usual way.
30 • Re: Mandrake 9.2 cooker (by W T Zhu on 2003-09-25 01:53:15 GMT)
Cooker is always changing on a daily basis. Most bugs reported by the users will be investigated and hopefully be fixed within one day or so. Since cooker is a development distribution, it should never be believed “stable”, and MandrakeSoft doesn’t release a distribution UNTIL THE MOMENT WHEN COOKER IS DECLARED STABLE – MandrakeSoft releases the distribution when it comes to the end of March or September of the year. In other words, although the distribution does begin with a snapshot of cooker, this process is based on the company’s schedule or simply the calendar, and less based on a technical stabilization. What’s more, I don’t think the testing version is simply a copy of the entire cooker directory – quite a few packages may be removed, say, according to the voting results of MandrakeClub members. After that, the developers will focus on bug fixes and other work such as internationalization, while cooker evolves on its usual way.
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31 • One of those annoying weeks to the GNU/Linux administrators (by W T Zhu on 2003-09-25 08:37:21 GMT)
http://lwn.net/security concludes that:
Sep 17, 2003 A bad week
Sep 24, 2003 A different sort of bad week
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