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1 • Font (by Kobold on 2003-09-22 09:40:20 GMT)
Ladislav, are you feeling comfortable with the fonts you use on the site? It is really hard to read a lot of text if letters like o,e,a,c are mere 5 pixels high. Increasing fonts size with Ctrl + in Firebird (all settings are default) makes it much more readable. Can you just bump it up one notch? Or there is some hidden consequence of such action that I am not aware of?
2 • RE: Font (by ladislav at 2003-09-22 10:38:27 GMT)
I get periodic email about this. My view is that font sizes you see on web sites are entirely determined by your browser settings, rather than by web page designers. There was a time when font size indeed mattered, but nowadays all modern browsers are designed in such a way that it is entirely up their users to set font sizes. Check your Firebird options where you can set a minimum font size or check the "always use my fonts" checkbox. I think it is a better solution than if I tried to please thousands of different visitors, all with different eye sights and font size requirements.
Any other opinions about this?
3 • Re[2]: Fonts (by Kobold on 2003-09-22 11:23:19 GMT)
Well, setting the higher hard minimum in browser is not a good thing, since many pages use small text in right way - for some information that is not important enough to take a lot of space. Futhermore, I often use different machines and it's a pain in the arse to change settings everywhere.
You can't please everyone, but you can try to choose the reasonable default size that fits most people. Size is right when number of people complaining about it being too small equals the number of people complaining that it is too large ;). What you got now is definitely on the really small side and is comfortable only for those who got 800x600 on a 19" monitor. Why don't you try to bump it up for a while and check what your visitors would tell you?
4 • Mandrake Cooker (by Jochem Kossen at 2003-09-22 11:39:24 GMT)
I have been running Cooker now for about two months (i regularly change distributions, don't ask me why), and it has been running quite well all the time. Only experienced some minor glitches which mostly were solved within a day, and some things not related to Mandrake. One advantage is that _many_ people run Mandrake, so you're never alone with your problem.
URPMI works great, just one disadvantage: with every change/update in Cooker you have to download some hdlist.cz files which are imho very big (main is 19 MB, contrib about the same i think). It would be nicer to just have to download a small file containing what's changed since the last update (hdlist split up per transaction/update or something).
About the fonts on the site: just don't set the size of the fonts, and use a generic font family (sans, sans-serif). (I need the ctrl-+ kludge as well ;))
That way, users always see the font they prefer/have set in their personal settings.
5 • RE: Font (by ladislav at 2003-09-22 12:16:44 GMT)
I am still not convinced. The font sizes haven't changed for 2 years and I get maybe one mail every two months complaining about fonts being too small. Anyway, I've increased the size in CSS from x-small to small. Is it better? If not, I'll set it to normal, or try removing the font-size attributes completely.
6 • Onebase: change in schedule (by P.B.Prabhuram at 2003-09-22 13:07:22 GMT)
The release of Onebase 2.0 will be delayed until next week, because of continued development. It will be a "revolution" version with a new powerful and more flexible OLM framework that can make a user to install applications in 10 hours or 10 minutes. Hope you get it :-)
7 • Cooker and ML 9.2 (by Leo on 2003-09-22 13:47:47 GMT)
I've been running cooker in one machine since the betas, and in another one since the release candidates. Mos of the glitches had to do with changes in rpm and urpmi, but there was always a workaround. Sometimes a kernel wouldn't boot, but hey, you keep a bunch of them in /boot and /lib, you never *upgrade* a kernel.
Overall, 9.2 is a bug-fix, stable release more than anything. Some packages have new features Open Office, KOffice, Gnome, but some not. The theme here is stability, usability and polish. It ROCKS.
However, Ladislav, I would NOT ENCOURAGE people to upgrade from COOKER. I think it is risky, after all it is the experimental version of Mandrake. It would be much safer to wait for ML 9.2, point urpmi to a ML 9.2 mirror, and go from there. If people start using Cooker as the
"current mandrake" they will get an unfair judgment about Mandrake. Cooker is for testers, not a production distro. I know, we are close to release and all, but still ...
Also, you can do the upgrade from the software installer. Pick the new distro mirror as your medium, update your database (all from the GUI), and finally go to the installer and ask it to show you "all packages by upgrade availability". You check the box to upgrade them all, and see the magic flow. :-)
Cheers !
8 • Debian Sarge (by Isamoor at 2003-09-22 14:00:06 GMT)
Just last week I tried to use the latest debian sarge images. I still ran into some trouble with the updated partitioning tool, but the rest ran smooth. I of course immidiatly hosed the install and tried to do it again. I did a net install the second time and it failed because some of the packages on the server had already been updated since I downloaded the iso. Maybe they need to account for that and run an apt-get update first somehow.
Also, when I dropped back to woody and upgraded to sid, it took me forever to figure out it was the "discover" and "mdetect" packages that I wanted to provide hardware detection. I know there is a debian-desktop initiative, but they could use just putting out a modified handbook for a desktop install.
9 • Major announcement from RedHat: Fedora (by Anonymous on 2003-09-22 15:19:26 GMT)
http://fedora.redhat.com/
10 • Mandrake 9.2 cooker (by Jens Wedel at 2003-09-22 15:39:59 GMT)
I have upgraded my Mandrake 9.2 RC2 with cooker. I think its the final version 9.2 rigtht now. When i do a cat /etc/mandrake-release it`s says "mandrake 9.2 (torrent) and not anything about cooker.
Jens Wedel
http://www.linuxin.dk
http://www.linuxgames.dk
11 • Re: Fonts (by DaveW on 2003-09-22 15:48:00 GMT)
This strikes me as a browser problem. Galeon's earlier incarnations had "use own fonts" and "use own colors" as menu items. You could easily toggle to preset values when the site you were viewing used the wrong size/style fonts for your setup, or to override the "designer's" decision to put brown text against a purple background. For reasons I can't imagine, they dropped this great feature in later versions -- some kind of ideological crap? Anybody know the reasons?
Anyway, I hope M Firebird adds this soon. In the meantime, I see there's a Zoom Text Extension that should fix the immediate problem.
PS. It would be interesting to see an article that explains why the Galeon folks decided to downgrade their browser. Ie, no more "use own xxx", and much harder to customize than the earlier versions.
12 • Ooh look! Shiny new name! (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-09-22 16:14:10 GMT)
My goodness! I was a huge Red Hat fan at Red Hat 8.0. I still recommend it as a lifetime companion for gaming, browsing, developing, authoring, general use, and server applications. Red Hat 9 is a joke with a pile of STILL unresolved bugs. Red Hat 8.0.94, the beta to 9, runs almost flawlessly! Red Hat 9.0.93 is lacking features and software. Galeon? They claim it won't work with the included Mozilla. I installed it right out and it worked fine. But what really bothers me is that the users on the mailing list are coming up with very good ideas which are not being accepted.
As many here know, I have always been a big Red Hat, oh I'm sorry, Red Hat Project fan, but what on Earth has been happening over this past year?
Reading the description of Fedora, I see one of two possibilities. 1) They will actually make development more open, resulting in an OS that lacks a competitive edge: singlemindedness of design. -or more likely- 2) They have the best of intentions, but it's just going to end up the same as before.
At the moment, I'm using Slackware-current with the 2.6-test5 kernel (and yes, the nVidia 3D drivers). It has Gnome 2.4. Upgrading required reading the instructions and a bit of creativity (and there seems to be a bug in the newest LiLo which causes the system to no longer boot, but GRUB works fine.) I just installed Slackware 9 and GRUB and built the 2.6 kernel, then I did upgradepkg --install-new /slackware-current/slackware/*/*.tgz. Reboot, and everything worked! (The 2.6 kernel is gonna be SWEET! I adore ALSA. Gnome 2.4 is good, though I prefer 2.2 as it seems a bit faster. I can't say anything good about Metacity, though...sorry.)
Using Slackware, one of the things that pleases me most is how well it works. It's as if all developers write software for Slackware and the other distributions have to adapt it to work for themselves. I guess that owes to Slackware's standards adherance. Besides that, Slackware is very fast! I'd love to see a Slack-based distribution with SuSE-sized helpings of software. I want something for my customers. I'll probably end up making one, and it ain't gonna be pretty. )-:
Regarding fonts, I have no problem reading it on a 14" screen at 1280x1024. Anti-aliased fonts make an enormous difference.
Regarding Sun's Java Desktop, does this mean we'll have an interpreter running on top of an interpreter?
13 • Re: Font (by Jochem Kossen at 2003-09-22 18:17:06 GMT)
ladislav: on my screen this font is readable. Much better IMHO! thanks!
14 • What an exciting day in distro-world!! (by Charles at 2003-09-22 19:42:45 GMT)
Wow, I have a lot to play with when I get home tonight.
Thanks a lot for the great work Ladislav, we appriciate it much more than you know!!
Charles
15 • Java desktop (by Joshua Lee on 2003-09-22 21:22:07 GMT)
Sun doesn't call it "Java desktop" because "it's an interpreter running on an interpreter". It's because it's a marketing buzzword, the desktop is based on GNOME 2, just like some other Linuxes. This is a mistake IMHO, much like Microsoft's decision to .Net everything.
16 • Fonts (by Adam on 2003-09-23 00:00:02 GMT)
I find the fonts hard to read. (Windows, Mozilla - I'm at work.) I *can* crank the size up, but then I have to drop it back down for othre sites. I notice in your style sheet most of the fonts are set to "small" or "x-small", which is smaller than average. As suggested above, maybe you can test some larger (i.e normal size) fonts for a month or so, and see if there's a positive response?
17 • font size (by brian q at 2003-09-23 02:07:34 GMT)
Font was smallish before, but in the past few weeks I think it shrank again. I am using Mozilla 1.4 on Win2000, and I change text size to 150% or larger to read it (View --> Text Zoom). The problem is that future pages can have enormous fonts and the pages don't format correctly as a result. Easy to switch back though.
Regardless, great site. Reading distrowatch reminds me of standing at the ice cream counter, overwhelmed by all the flavors to choose from.
18 • Thank you! (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-09-23 04:18:54 GMT)
"Wow, I have a lot to play with when I get home tonight.
Thanks a lot for the great work Ladislav, we appriciate it much more than you know!!
Charles"
You know, I feel awful that I haven't thanked you before. Distrowatch has helped me more than any single distribution has. I not only find out what version of software is installed in which distributions, I can find out what the most up-to-date version is and download the source IN ONE CLICK! I can find the *correct* websites for distributions. I don't have to sign up for 160 mailing lists, assuming there even are mailing lists for all distributions, and assuming I can even figure out how many distributions there are. I just load DistroWatch.com and in seconds I know if there's news! You've created THE authoritative source for Linux information. Just about all the other websites, many of which you link to for reviews, are just fluffed up with opinion and emotion.
"Sun doesn't call it "Java desktop" because "it's an interpreter running on an interpreter". It's because it's a marketing buzzword, the desktop is based on GNOME 2, just like some other Linuxes. This is a mistake IMHO, much like Microsoft's decision to .Net everything."
And thank you, too, Joshua Lee. It may be a mistake to call it Java Desktop, but not as much of a mistake as an actual Java desktop would have been! :-D I have yet to see a case where a name change was a good idea. Well, perhaps Lucent, maker of low quality chips and cooked books, was smart to change its name to Agere, maker of low quality chips at high prices.
19 • Galeon!! There needs to be a major discussion about it! (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-09-23 04:34:25 GMT)
"PS. It would be interesting to see an article that explains why the Galeon folks decided to downgrade their browser. Ie, no more "use own xxx", and much harder to customize than the earlier versions."
Amen DaveW!! I was beginning to think that I was the only person who didn't like the newest Galeon.
So far, the best Galeon I have seen was the one in Red Hat 8.0. If I could get it to work in Mozilla 1.4 without problem, when I'd hop right to it. They had everything right. If you had multiple tabs open and you tried to close the whole window, it would warn you about the multiple tabs. You could instantly change the font size up or down by 10% or enter in a font size. Under "Tabs", you could shuffle tabs between windows. It would start up and ask you what kind of special toolbar stuff you want. It would automatically guess the remainder of the URL in a well thought out way. It had a tighter, cleaner, easier to understand, and much much more capable set of navigational (and related) buttons. Now what?! NOTHING!! And it takes up more CPU cycles, crashes more, and seems to forget my URL history in certain windows. What new features do we get in the version that comes with Gnome 2.2+? A slightly nifty start screen. That's about it.
Something must be done! At the moment, I'm using Galeon, because that's where all my bookmarks were when I switched from Red Hat to my Slackware-based home-brew. But to be honest, even Mozilla looks better at this point!
When I last tried Galeon in Mandrunk, it was sorely lacking features. The newest Red Hat is just plain *lacking* it. Slackware 9.0 doesn't have it, but Slackware-current has such a wimpy version that it might as well not be here. I really don't know how Galeon and Mozilla cooperate, and Galeon's always been a whiny baby when it comes to installation, so I don't think I'll be able to, but I plan to try to resurrect Galeon from Red Hat 8.0. I *guess* that means dropping from Mozilla 1.4 to 1.0, but I didn't really see any improvement in Mozilla between 1.0 and 1.4 anyway. If anyone else shares my sense of despair and urgency, please do email me! Or, you can reach me via ICQ at 6730681, AIM at benvanderjagt, or YIM at benvanderjagt.
I guess I'll try to smash my system now. :-]
20 • Hello;Personal (by Andre` B Thomas at 2003-09-23 05:21:43 GMT)
Hi. it`s been a while since we last talked.I`m pretty busy
at work/life and I don`t have a lot of time for the things and people I like,but such is life.I hope "my island" is treating you and your loved ones well.
Andre`
21 • (Offtopic, maybe): LGIS Gnu Linux 9.0 (by L Gandolfo at 2003-09-23 05:46:47 GMT)
Ladislav,
I have tried the above mentioned distro and I found it one of the best ever.
It is Red Hat 9 plus Ximian Desktop 2. Beautiful!
Also, it is a lot more stable than Red Hat, maybe because it incorporates many bugfixes, or maybe because of XD2.
I feel that it fully deserves to be in the main list.
And also from me a big, big thank you for running such a great site and for doing such a thorough job!
22 • RE: LGIS Gnu Linux 9.0 (by ladislav at 2003-09-23 07:04:12 GMT)
I feel that it fully deserves to be in the main list.
As you wish:
http://www.distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lgis
23 • RE: LGIS Gnu Linux 9.0 (by Ladislav) (by L Gandolfo at 2003-09-23 09:09:59 GMT)
Thank you very much indeed!
I think those people who have done such a great job do deserve it.
24 • Re: Font (by Ariszlo at 2003-09-23 10:47:09 GMT)
Please, use normal font size by default and use small only in fine print such as disclaimers and the like. Let your visitors decide what font size they like. Don't take away their freedom. Here is a link:
http://webtips.dan.info/force.html
25 • Re: Mandrake 9.2 cooker (by W T Zhu on 2003-09-23 11:12:05 GMT)
Is Mandrake 9.2 RC2 the 9.2 final version? Probably. Or, one or two iso images will remain unchanged in the final release.
26 • RE: Mandrake 9.2 RC2 (by L. Gandolfo at 2003-09-23 18:35:45 GMT)
No, RC2 is not the final version (obviously, it is a 'release candidate')
Also expect major changes in the final (more packages), as the developers have asked the club members if they'd rather have 700 MB isos, and the great majority has voted in favor.
27 • Re: Mandrake 9.2 cooker (by W T Zhu on 2003-09-24 11:54:43 GMT)
Wedel noticed that when he did a cat /etc/mandrake-release, it says 9.2 (torrent) and not anything about cooker. I also noticed that Mandrake had started to provide 9.2 updates, which can be found in any one of the mirror sites. This leads me to believe that 9.2 rc2 is actually 9.2 final.
However, here comes one of those annoying days to the GNU/Linux administrators. Proftpd and OpenSSH both compromised, and visitors to distrowatch.com should have also noticed that there was an update to the DNS daemon, bind. MandrakeSoft has to apply those latest fixes before releasing 9.2 finally.
28 • Re: Mandrake 9.2 cooker (by ladislav at 2003-09-24 13:52:43 GMT)
The way I understand it, cooker keeps getting updated until the moment when it is declared stable and the entire directory is copied and renamed to the latest version (9.2 in this case). But cooker is still changing on a daily basis and some of the package versions (gnumeric, nautilus) were upgraded after rc2. There is just no way that rc2 is final. I am really surprised to see your speculation, given that you are a big Mandrake expert and fan.
29 • W T Zhu (by Re: Mandrake 9.2 cooker on 2003-09-25 01:50:20 GMT)
Cooker is always changing on a daily basis. Most bugs reported by the users will be investigated and hopefully be fixed within one day or so. Since cooker is a development distribution, it should never be believed “stable”, and MandrakeSoft doesn’t release a distribution UNTIL THE MOMENT WHEN COOKER IS DECLARED STABLE – MandrakeSoft releases the distribution when it comes to the end of March or September of the year. In other words, although the distribution does begin with a snapshot of cooker, this process is based on the company’s schedule or simply the calendar, and less based on a technical stabilization. What’s more, I don’t think the testing version is simply a copy of the entire cooker directory – quite a few packages may be removed, say, according to the voting results of MandrakeClub members. After that, the developers will focus on bug fixes and other work such as internationalization, while cooker evolves on its usual way.
30 • Re: Mandrake 9.2 cooker (by W T Zhu on 2003-09-25 01:53:15 GMT)
Cooker is always changing on a daily basis. Most bugs reported by the users will be investigated and hopefully be fixed within one day or so. Since cooker is a development distribution, it should never be believed “stable”, and MandrakeSoft doesn’t release a distribution UNTIL THE MOMENT WHEN COOKER IS DECLARED STABLE – MandrakeSoft releases the distribution when it comes to the end of March or September of the year. In other words, although the distribution does begin with a snapshot of cooker, this process is based on the company’s schedule or simply the calendar, and less based on a technical stabilization. What’s more, I don’t think the testing version is simply a copy of the entire cooker directory – quite a few packages may be removed, say, according to the voting results of MandrakeClub members. After that, the developers will focus on bug fixes and other work such as internationalization, while cooker evolves on its usual way.
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I just made a funny mistake in filling my name and the subject :-)
31 • One of those annoying weeks to the GNU/Linux administrators (by W T Zhu on 2003-09-25 08:37:21 GMT)
http://lwn.net/security concludes that:
Sep 17, 2003 A bad week
Sep 24, 2003 A different sort of bad week
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| • Issue 1145 (2025-10-27): Linux Mint 7 "LMDE", advice for new Linux users, AlmaLinux to offer Btrfs, KDE launches Plasma 6.5, Fedora accepts contributions written by AI, Ubuntu 25.10 fails to install automatic updates |
| • Issue 1144 (2025-10-20): Kubuntu 25.10, creating and restoring encrypted backups, Fedora team debates AI, FSF plans free software for phones, ReactOS addresses newer drivers, Xubuntu reacts to website attack |
| • Issue 1143 (2025-10-13): openSUSE 16.0 Leap, safest source for new applications, Redox introduces performance improvements, TrueNAS Connect available for testing, Flatpaks do not work on Ubuntu 25.10, Kamarada plans to switch its base, Solus enters new epoch, Frugalware discontinued |
| • Issue 1142 (2025-10-06): Linux Kamarada 15.6, managing ZIP files with SQLite, F-Droid warns of impact of Android lockdown, Alpine moves ahead with merged /usr, Cinnamon gets a redesigned application menu |
| • Issue 1141 (2025-09-29): KDE Linux and GNOME OS, finding mobile flavours of Linux, Murena to offer phones with kill switches, Redox OS running on a smartphone, Artix drops GNOME |
| • Issue 1140 (2025-09-22): NetBSD 10.1, avoiding AI services, AlmaLinux enables CRB repository, Haiku improves disk access performance, Mageia addresses service outage, GNOME 49 released, Linux introduces multikernel support |
| • Issue 1139 (2025-09-15): EasyOS 7.0, Linux and central authority, FreeBSD running Plasma 6 on Wayland, GNOME restores X11 support temporarily, openSUSE dropping BCacheFS in new kernels |
| • Issue 1138 (2025-09-08): Shebang 25.8, LibreELEC 12.2.0, Debian GNU/Hurd 2025, the importance of software updates, AerynOS introduces package sets, postmarketOS encourages patching upstream, openSUSE extends Leap support, Debian refreshes Trixie media |
| • Issue 1137 (2025-09-01): Tribblix 0m37, malware scanners flagging Linux ISO files, KDE introduces first-run setup wizard, CalyxOS plans update prior to infrastructure overhaul, FreeBSD publishes status report |
| • Issue 1136 (2025-08-25): CalyxOS 6.8.20, distros for running containers, Arch Linux website under attack,illumos Cafe launched, CachyOS creates web dashboard for repositories |
| • Issue 1135 (2025-08-18): Debian 13, Proton, WINE, Wayland, and Wayback, Debian GNU/Hurd 2025, KDE gets advanced Liquid Glass, Haiku improves authentication tools |
| • Issue 1134 (2025-08-11): Rhino Linux 2025.3, thoughts on malware in the AUR, Fedora brings hammered websites back on-line, NetBSD reveals features for version 11, Ubuntu swaps some command line tools for 25.10, AlmaLinux improves NVIDIA support |
| • Issue 1133 (2025-08-04): Expirion Linux 6.0, running Plasma on Linux Mint, finding distros which support X11, Debian addresses 22 year old bug, FreeBSD discusses potential issues with pkgbase, CDE ported to OpenBSD, Btrfs corruption bug hitting Fedora users, more malware found in Arch User Repository |
| • Issue 1132 (2025-07-28): deepin 25, wars in the open source community, proposal to have Fedora enable Flathub repository, FreeBSD plans desktop install option, Wayback gets its first release |
| • Issue 1131 (2025-07-21): HeliumOS 10.0, settling on one distro, Mint plans new releases, Arch discovers malware in AUR, Plasma Bigscreen returns, Clear Linux discontinued |
| • Issue 1130 (2025-07-14): openSUSE MicroOS and RefreshOS, sharing aliases between computers, Bazzite makes Bazaar its default Flatpak store, Alpine plans Wayback release, Wayland and X11 benchmarked, Red Hat offers additional developer licenses, openSUSE seeks feedback from ARM users, Ubuntu 24.10 reaches the end of its life |
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