| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 725, 14 August 2017
Welcome to this year's 33rd issue of DistroWatch Weekly!
openSUSE is a distribution which tries to offer a little something to everyone. The project is available in two flavours, Leap and Tumbleweed, which provide stable and rolling releases, respectively. The openSUSE project supports many desktop environments, has a lot of system administration utilities, can access many community repositories and is one of the few Linux distributions actively offering advanced file system features though Btrfs. This week we begin with a review of openSUSE Leap 42.3 and explore the project's role as a desktop system. Debian is looking to improve security and provide better access to new versions of software and we talk about these changes in our News section. We also discuss changes coming to Ubuntu 17.10. In our Questions and Answers column we discuss gaming options on Linux. Using Linux as a gaming platform is also the topic of this week's Opinion Poll and we hope you will share some of your favourite Linux games in the comments section. We are pleased to cover last week's releases and provide a list of torrents we are seeding. We wish you all a fantastic week and happy reading!
- Review: openSUSE Leap 42.3
- News: Debian disables old TLS versions, using Flatpak to backport packages, changes planned for Ubuntu 17.10
- Questions and answers: Gaming on Linux
- Released last week: Tails 3.1, GParted 0.29.0-1, OSGeo-Live 11.0
- Torrent corner: GParted, IPFire, Karoshi, LuninuX, OSGeo-Live, Runtu, Tails
- Opinion poll: Gaming on Linux
- Reader comments
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|Feature Story (by Joshua Allen Holm)
openSUSE Leap 42.3
openSUSE Leap is a conservative distribution that opts for stable packages over the latest and greatest. The latest release of Leap, version 42.3, ships with version 4.4 of the Linux kernel, but with many features backported from newer releases of the kernel. GNOME 3.20 and KDE Plasma 5.8 are the main desktops offered, but Xfce and LXDE can also be installed from the install media, with other options available post-install or via net-install. Firefox 52 ESR is the default browser in both GNOME and KDE and LibreOffice 5.3 serves as the default office suite.
As someone who appreciates a slower, more cautious update cadence, I was intrigued by openSUSE Leap 42.3's package selection. A slightly older desktop environment paired with an ESR Firefox and a recent release of LibreOffice is something I could find myself using as my main distribution, so I downloaded the 4.6GB ISO to give openSUSE Leap 42.3 a trail run. Below, I take a look at openSUSE's installation process, the KDE Plasma desktop, and more before sharing my final thoughts.
Installing openSUSE Leap 42.3
openSUSE's installation in handled by YaST. The basic experience should be familiar to anyone who has installed a Linux distribution before. While not identical to the installers used by other distributions, YaST handles the same steps and asks the user for the same information. Despite the similarities, there are some interesting differences. The most notable is the default partitioning scheme. By default, openSUSE Leap uses XFS for the home partition and Btrfs for almost everything else (the exceptions are the swap partition and the EFI partition), and openSUSE even pre-configures various directories as Btrfs sub-volumes. By extension, openSUSE is configured to take snapshots of the file system and, should something go wrong, it is possible to rollback the system to a working state. I did not get to test the snapshot feature in depth during the two weeks I spent with openSUSE Leap 42.3, but in my limited experience it works well and could be very, very handy.
openSUSE 42.3 -- Disk partitioning defaults
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Another thing that sets openSUSE Leap 42.3 apart from some other distributions is the fact that the installation media comes with both server and desktop installation options on the same image. Unlike Fedora and Ubuntu, only one download/installation image is needed to install to both server and desktop machines. Having a single flash drive with various installation options is something I find extremely handy. While I like the software selection in Fedora Workstation and Ubuntu's desktop version, the flexibility of openSUSE is a nice change. Being able to install a fully functional KDE or GNOME desktop, or some other custom option, including LXDE and XFCE, without having to download different install media or by installing packages post-install is nice. Yes, I still installed a few packages post-install, but far fewer than what I usually need to do with Fedora or Ubuntu. It should be noted that, much like the Red Hat family of distributions, openSUSE Leap and Tumbleweed (openSUSE's rolling release edition) lack the patent encumbered codecs needed to play some types of media files, so installing them post-install is a requirement if you want to watch and listen to certain types of media.
openSUSE 42.3 -- Selecting packages from the installer
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openSUSE's KDE Plasma desktop
Being a GNOME user, I decided to try something different and give openSUSE's KDE Plasma desktop a try. Many of the under-the-hood features and setup tools are the same under all the desktops, so the openSUSE specific stuff is the same no matter what desktop I picked. Still, it was interesting to try out KDE. The Plasma 5.8 desktop is functional and familiar. With a taskbar at the bottom of the screen, the desktop should provide a familiar experience to anyone used to Microsoft Windows. The desktop environment is aesthetically pleasing, the only problem I had with the visuals was openSUSE Leap's default wallpaper. While this is very subjective, I do not like black wallpapers with minimal images. Though, to be fair, the default KDE wallpaper goes too far in the other direction. Personally, I very prefer the default wallpaper from openSUSE Tumbleweed.
openSUSE 42.3 -- The KDE Plasma desktop
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The KDE Plasma desktop can be customized extensively using the various options in System Settings, but I did not find much need to do so. The only things I really needed to change were setting up on-line accounts and adding a UTC clock to the clock in the taskbar. The default wallpaper, while not exactly my style, was something I could live with for the time I spent working on this review.
openSUSE 42.3 -- The KDE System Settings panel
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The default software selection is what one would expect from any modern distribution. Firefox 52 ESR, LibreOffice 5.3, and the typical KDE applications, like Akregator, Amarok and Dragon Player. KMail and more come pre-installed when selecting the KDE Plasma desktop option from the installer. A few other nice non-KDE applications, like GIMP, come pre-installed as well. More software can be installed graphically using YaST or the zypper package manager on the command line.
YaST and other openSUSE features
What really sets openSUSE apart from other distributions is YaST, openSUSE's vast array of advanced setup tools. Using the YaST Control Panel it is possible, for example, to password protect GRUB with just the click of a checkbox and the Okay button; YaST handles everything automatically. The things YaST can do are available on many other distributions, but YaST simplifies the process considerably.
openSUSE 42.3 -- The YaST control panel
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openSUSE Leap 42.3 has a few other thing that are “different” to users coming from other distributions. It is one of the few distributions that I have seen that creates ~/bin and ~/public_html folders by default. Creating those folders, especially ~/bin, is a nice choice, though I am not sure how useful ~/public_html is nowadays. On the command line, command not found errors cause a prompt to appear telling the user to run cnf to find which package contains the missing executable. While this is a small thing, it is probably my favorite difference; I have spent a fair amount of time waiting for automatic command not found lookups to do their thing on various other distributions. Using zypper to install/remove packages took a little while to adjust to, but it works great. Searching for and installing packages was quick and easy. Overall, the openSUSE specific stuff is very nice and the non-openSUSE specific packages are put together into a nice, cohesive whole.
Coming from a Red Hat/Fedora background, the differences took a little while to get used to, but I honestly liked most of them. While I personally will not be switching to openSUSE Leap as my main distribution, I think I will be putting openSUSE Tumbleweed on at least one of my computers to see what interesting developments come from the SUSE family of distributions.
openSUSE Leap 42.3 is a great choice for users looking for a stable distribution with an enterprise level of conservatism when it comes to shipping tested packages instead of the newest versions of everything. Users who do want the newest packages can use openSUSE Tumbleweed instead. Either version of openSUSE, Leap or Tumbleweed, provides a nice experience. If you have hardware that works with Leap's version 4.4-with-backports kernel, it is an excellent choice for anyone looking for a stable system.
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Hardware used in this review
My physical test equipment for this review was a Lenovo Ideapad 100-15IBD laptop with the following specifications:
- Processor: 2.2GHz Intel Core i3-5020U CPU
- Storage: Seagate 500GB 5400 RPM hard drive
- Memory: 4GB of RAM
- Networking: Realtek RTL8723BE 802.11n Wireless Network Adapter
- Display: Intel HD Graphics 5500
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Visitor supplied rating
openSUSE has a visitor supplied average rating of: 8.8/10 from 108 review(s).
Have you used openSUSE? You can leave your own review of the project on our ratings page.
|Miscellaneous News (by Jesse Smith)
Debian disables old TLS versions, using Flatpak to backport packages, changes planned for Ubuntu 17.10
The Debian distribution is experimenting with disabling older versions of Transport Layer Security (TLS) which are considered to be no longer secure. TLS allows networked applications to transmit information across the Internet securely and is an important technology for applications such as web browsers and e-mail clients. On Debian, TLS is implemented in the OpenSSL library and the latest version of OpenSSL in Debian's Unstable branch disables older, vulnerable versions of TLS while keeping more modern versions. There are some concerns that older or unmaintained applications may not work when older versions of TLS are disabled: "This will likely break certain things that for whatever reason still don't support TLS 1.2. I strongly suggest that if it's not supported that you add support for it, or get the other side to add support for it. OpenSSL made a release five years ago that supported TLS 1.2. The current support of the server side seems to be around 90%. I hope that by the time Buster releases the support for TLS 1.2 will be high enough that I don't need to enable them again." Information on this change can be found in a Debian mailing list post.
At the Debian conference (DebConf) this week in Montreal, Simon McVittie put forward the idea of using Flatpak portable packages more in Debian. Flatpak's bundling of dependencies is ideal of backporting packages (such as web browsers and games) which may need newer libraries that would otherwise conflict with Debian's conservative approach to packaging. "On Monday I gave a talk entitled 'A Debian maintainer's guide to Flatpak', aiming to introduce Debian developers to Flatpak, and show how Flatpak and Debian (and Debian derivatives like SteamOS) can help each other. It seems to have been quite well received, with people generally positive about the idea of using Flatpak to deliver backports and faster-moving leaf packages (games!) onto the stable base platform that Debian is so good at providing." McVittie has created a utility which can build Flatpak packages from Debian's native .deb archives to help demonstrate how Flatpak might be used on Debian. Additional information can be found in McVittie's blog post.
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The Ubuntu team is in the process of preparing for the release of Ubuntu 17.10, scheduled to be launched in October. One of the biggest changes planned for Ubuntu 17.10 is switching the default desktop environment from Unity to GNOME. Will Cooke has some updates on the transition and other changes coming to Ubuntu 17.10: "We're testing some patches to Chromium 60 in Artful to enable video acceleration and we're seeing roughly a 50% saving in CPU overhead when using VA API. In the screenshot above playing the video without acceleration is on the left and playing with acceleration is on the right. The CPU is Haswell. There are still more bugs to fix, but we're making progress. In Pulse Audio we've dropped some more patches for Android support (from Ubuntu Touch) bringing us more inline with upstream. This will make maintenance easier and should reduce the chance of bugs cropping up from our patches." Additional information and a screenshot of GNOME in action can be found in Cooke's post.
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These and other news stories can be found on our Headlines page.
|Questions and Answers (by Jesse Smith)
Gaming on Linux
Planning-to-play asks: Last time I checked out Linux there weren't many games. Has the situation improved at all, or should gamers dual-boot Windows?
DistroWatch answers: Desktop Linux users have a pretty wide range of games available to them these days, though whether you are satisfied with the selection may depend on what kind of games you are planning to play. Linux has always had a large collection of open source games, typically put together by small teams without budgets. These games, like "SuperTux", "SuperTuxKart" and "Battle for Wesnoth" are often labours of love. They may not have the high-end graphics of big budget games, but they are free, open source and often suitable for casual gamers.
In the past few years the market for indie games and small-to-medium sized studio games has really exploded on Steam. There are currently over 7,900 games for Linux available in the Steam market. These games range from smaller, indie projects like "Limbo", "Trine" and "Mark of the Ninja" through to better known titles such as "Portal 2", "Left 4 Dead 2", "Civilization VI" and "Total War: Warhammer". Linux releases of big titles sometimes lag a little behind their Windows counterparts, but medium and larger studios are increasingly supplying Linux ports of their games.
For people who want to avoid the digital rights management (DRM) associated with Steam games, the Humble Indie Bundle has a large catalogue of games, many of which run on Linux. At the moment there are around 1,800 titles available to Linux users on the Humble Bundle website, covering a wide range of genres and prices. Also for people who want better known titles without DRM, the GOG website currently features over 2,000 titles for Linux. Some of these GOG games are older classics such as "Baldur's Gate II" and "Star Wars: TIE Fighter Special Edition", but there are more modern games listed too like "FTL" and "Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings".
At this point I think it is fair to say Linux has a wide range of games across almost every genre, probably enough to keep most gamers busy for quite some time. Linux users do not have access to every triple-A title that comes out, but we do have access to a large selection.
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More answers can be found in our Questions and Answers archive.
|Released Last Week
GParted Live 0.29.0-1
Curtis Gedak has announced the release of GParted Live 0.29.0-1, the latest upgrade to the popular live CD with a collection of specialist tools dedicated to managing disk partitions and rescuing files. This release includes the new GParted 0.29.0 software and fixes a couple of bugs: "The GParted team is pleased to announce a new stable release of GParted Live. This release includes GParted 0.29.0, patches for libparted for FAT file system operations, and other improvements. Items of note include: includes GParted 0.29.0 which adds the following enhancements since the last stable release - add support for UDF file system, fix segmentation fault on disk with corrupted FAT file system, fix snap-to-alignment of operations creating partitions; based on the Debian 'Sid' repository as of 2017-08-08); Linux kernel updated to 4.11.11-1; package udftools added; includes patched version of libparted which fixes check FAT32 crashes an resized FAT32 not recognized by Windows." Here is the complete release announcement.
OSGeo-Live is a live desktop distribution based on Lubuntu that allows the user to try a wide variety of open source geospatial software. The project's latest release, OSGeo-Live 11.0, introduces several changes and strips out a number of default applications: "This release has been a major reboot, with a refocus on leading applications and emphasis on quality over quantity. Less mature parts of the projects have been dropped with a targeted focus placed on upgrading and improving documentation. Dropped: Windows-only applications/installers; Overviews of OGC Standards; Some applications that did not meet our review criteria; We now only support a 64-bit distribution (32-bit is built but not officially supported). Added: Support for isohybrid ISO images with UEFI." Additional information on the changes and a list of features in OSGeo-Live 11.0 can be found in the project's release announcement. Known issues can be found in the project's errata.
The Amnesic Incognito Live System (Tails) is a Debian-based live DVD/USB with the goal of providing complete Internet anonymity for the user. The Tails project has released a new version, Tails 3.1, which is based on Debian 9 "Stretch" and contains mostly minor changes and bug fixes. The release announcement states: "Upgrades and changes: Update Tor Browser to 7.0.4; Update Linux to 4.9.30-2+deb9u3. Fixed problems: Make sure that Thunderbird erases its temporary directory, containing for example attachments opened in the past. Fix translations of the time synchronization and "Tor is ready" notifications. For more details, read our changelog." A list of known issues is available. The release announcement mentions that while automatic upgrades from Tails 3.0 to 3.1 are enabled, upgrades from 3.0.1 to 3.1 are not. Though manual upgrades are possible.
Tails 3.1 -- Sharing files with OnionShare
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Development, unannounced and minor bug-fix releases
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|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
Summary of expected upcoming releases
Gaming on Linux
In our Questions and Answers column this week we talked about the games available to Linux users. When it comes to playing games, do you find that Linux covers all of your needs? Or do you run other platforms to widen (or improve) your gaming experience?
If you are a Linux gamer, please share some of your favourite titles in the comments.
You can see the results of our previous poll on the future of the Unity 7 desktop in last week's edition. All previous poll results can be found in our poll archives.
DistroWatch database summary
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1 • Gaming on Linux (by seacat on 2017-08-14 00:24:30 GMT from Argentina) |
"I game exclusively on Linux" because my only operating system is Debian. Said this, I'm not a gamer. However, I play on line only one game with a very high requirement of 3D graphics without troubles.
2 • Gaming on Linux (by Daniel on 2017-08-14 00:26:28 GMT from Australia)
I'm an avid gamer and have been running Linux exclusively for 18 months or so now (Sparky XFCE).
While I have missed out on some newer and bigger games, I have plenty to keep me busy. I mostly play ARPGs and have been fine running them through wine, with noticeable improvements in performance/stability over the last year.
I suspect it may become a problem soon though as DirectX9 support is starting to drop off more frequently. I will be quite disappointed if I have to start using Windows again just for gaming, so I hope Vulkan/Steam etc gets Linux gaming moving faster (c'mon Valve, release HL3/HL2E3 exclusively for Linux for 6 months!!...dreams).
Current games: Diablo 3, Grim Dawn, Path of Exile, Exanima, Overload (pre-release, Linux native), Hyperlight Drifter, Transistor, Doom 2016 shortly.
3 • Gaming on Linux (by Anon on 2017-08-14 02:45:29 GMT from United States)
I've found myself gaming essentially exclusively on Linux for at least the past couple of years or so, for which I have a dedicated Ubuntu LTS partition and use Steam and GOG for purchases. This is partly due to AAA, WinOS-only games simply being less attractive to me in this era.
Daniel from Australia, you should consider adding Bastion to your list. I'd recommend Invisible Inc and Insurgency as well.
4 • Gaming (by Bill S. on 2017-08-14 03:11:18 GMT from United States)
I use Linux for all my games which only include solitaire, Kmahjongg, and pente. I set my wife up on Linux Mint Cinnamon for facebook and office stuff, but unfortunately, she is an avid SIMS 3 addict and so we have to keep Windows around. Boo.
5 • Steam Linux Games (by Kleer Kut on 2017-08-14 03:22:03 GMT from United States)
Just doing a search for SteamOS + Linux brings up much more than just games. If you filter by games it come up with a few thousand options, but a good number of those are DLC. I believe the real number of Linux games they have is somewhere over 2000, which is still a lot of games.
Between Steam, Itch.io, GOG, other clients, browser games, native Linux games, wine, emulators . . . There really isn't any reason why someone couldn't be perfectly content using Linux as there only gaming platform. I have no regrets using Linux as my only OS.
I find some of the words people use to describe how they 'need' or 'have to' dual boot for games is completely over the top. If you have no other use for a second OS except to play some video game, and you do not work for the company behind that video game, then I fail to see how it is 100% necessary.
It is a desire.
People desire to replace their machine every X months. People desire to play games as soon as they are released. They pay a premium to do so. That's perfectly fine and well within reason to want such things, but it isn't a 'need' and I don't buy it as such.
6 • Gaming (by Ron on 2017-08-14 03:33:00 GMT from United States)
I am not a gamer. Games remind me of thr '50's pinball machines - totally aimless! To each his own. Not me.
7 • Games a desire - @kleer kut (by Daniel on 2017-08-14 03:34:05 GMT from Australia)
Of course games are a desire, so is using Linux...
If someone's friends are playing a game and you can't because it's Windows only, it's not purely desire.
And yes to fulfil the desire to play a particular game, you do actually need an OS that it works on, much as there is desire not too...
Did I say desire enough?
8 • @5 Regarding # of Linux games (by KoolDude on 2017-08-14 03:37:01 GMT from United States)
According to GamingOnLinux.com, Linux has 3000+ games available on Steam (not including DLC, I believe).
9 • Gaming (by S on 2017-08-14 03:45:17 GMT from United States)
While all my PC gaming is done on GNU/Linux, I do technically use other platforms, as I am an avid fan of Nintendo games and hardware.
10 • Gaming (by kleshas on 2017-08-14 03:49:34 GMT from United States)
I dualboot purely for Skyrim, but I haven't bothered with it for many months. All other games I play are on linux, with a few via WINE (eg Diablo3)
11 • openSUSE (by Promet on 2017-08-14 04:37:01 GMT from Hong Kong)
Have been using openSUSE before it's called openSUSE: SUSE LINUX 9.0.
Always underrated: not as catchy as Mandrake/Ubuntu/Mint whatsoever, and does not have a huge fan base like Redhat or Slackware.But it always has the best tools (YaST, One -click Install etc.) and the most polished KDE.
12 • Gaming on Linux (by DistroRolling on 2017-08-14 05:05:44 GMT from Philippines)
I only have windows because of NBA2K, i do most gaming from a linux distro. i dont have anything else needed for windows.
13 • Linux Gaming and Ubuntu (by edcoolio on 2017-08-14 05:13:08 GMT from United States)
I enjoy gaming, but on Windows systems.
I love Linux, but not for gaming.
I hate Mac as a daily driver, production system, and gaming. Love it as a pure web browsing, media consumption and music playing box. Go figure...
Until the bleeding edge games are regularly released for Linux, it is a tough sell to any gamer. There also needs to be a graphics company (looking at you AMD, NVIDIA) to finally put out the effort and have fully functioning / patched native drivers that are equal to Windows on a consistent basis. Until those things happen, gaming on Linux will be taking a backseat to Windows for the foreseeable future.
That being said, if you are playing games like @4, or are content with the sad video driver situation and/or limited game options, then more power to you.
As for Ubuntu, I'm hopeful that their statements on Chromium 60 patches for video acceleration pan out. I suspect that it is a lot of hype, as a 50% saving in CPU seems a bit optimistic. Frankly, I would settle for the death of Unity and a fast, smooth functioning GNOME desktop. (Gbuntu? Whatever.)
In the end, I'm not a fan of GNOME, but I've decided to give 17.10 an honest shot. So, to Canonical, I will only say: Please take longer than October than you have to, in order to make sure everything is rock solid. Like many others, I'm looking forward to see what the final result will be.
14 • ~/public_html (OpenSUSE Review) (by Sanjay Prasad on 2017-08-14 05:43:59 GMT from India)
~/public_html (OpenSUSE Review) , usefull for Web Developer like us, thanks for bringing such small things on your review, I tried Tumbleweed it also good but have to download around 4.2 GB
15 • Leap-ing Lizards (by Somewhat Reticent on 2017-08-14 05:57:27 GMT from United States)
Discussion of OpenSUSE Leap seems incomplete without mentioning GeckoLinux spins - live, static or rolling, several DEs to choose from, ready out-of-the-box, SourceForge project. Certainly made checking it out smoother for us.
16 • Gaming on Linux (by Matthew W Highley on 2017-08-14 06:09:57 GMT from United States)
I dual boot my system Win10/Ubuntu Mate. I only use the Win10 for games as some of the games I play will not work in Linux. One of my favorite games is planetside 2. it will work in Linux but the Devs have made doing so a bannable offense. So, no Linux for that one. I prefer gaming in Linux and am currently stuck on 7 Days to Die, which does work in Linux, so I have not booted into Windows in over a month. Now i am reluctant to even go into windows because I know there will be a crap load of updates to do before I can start playing. I really hate windows but some of my favorite games just will not work well in Linux. Empyrion Galactic Survival is another current favorite of mine. While I have no proof of it, I have aways felt that Minecraft works much better in Linux then windows.
17 • Gaming on Linux (by Lilith Valentine on 2017-08-14 07:10:18 GMT from United States)
I have been an exclusive Linux user for over 11 years and my limited PC gaming came along with me. I was never a PC gamer, I've always been a console gamer, and thus never grew attached to that many PC games to begin with. So I am just happy that the PC games that I do play either have a Linux port or can work with Wine or DOSBox. So I have no reason to use any other OS, which is why I never install Windows or flat remove Windows from all of my computers.
18 • Gaming (by RoboNuggie on 2017-08-14 07:27:52 GMT from United Kingdom)
Gaming on Ubuntu
Work / Creativity / Everything Else on FreeBSD
No need for Windows
19 • Gaming on Linux (by A van der Tweel on 2017-08-14 08:19:39 GMT from Netherlands)
For racing games (and Diablo 3) I use a PS3. On Linux I mostly play Wesnoth. That said, I'm still playing old DOS games with DOSBOX and VitualBox.
20 • PC Games (by Pat on 2017-08-14 09:06:52 GMT from United States)
My Mint PC likes to make up its own games to baffle me, but I like the mystery aspect of it.
21 • Gaming on Linux (by Zork on 2017-08-14 10:47:36 GMT from Australia)
Use both Linux Mint and Win 10 for gaming...
Only use Win 10 for things that won't run quite right under Mint with Wine... Yet...
22 • gaming (by me2 on 2017-08-14 10:59:14 GMT from United Kingdom)
There is only only one game I played - sid meirs alpha centuari. I had to do it on linux through wine. I dont play that anymore - it was destroying my eyes.
23 • The problem with serious games in Linux (by Fox909 on 2017-08-14 11:22:40 GMT from Kazakhstan)
The problem with serious games in Linux. Linux does not support gaming devices! You cannot configure the manipulators separately on axes. It is difficult to change the sensitivity within wide limits. You can't change DPI sensor gaming mouse.
24 • @23 (by Gunshoe on 2017-08-14 11:33:59 GMT from Australia)
While not ideal, I plugged my Logitech mouse into windows, used the software to set the disk toggle to a button and saved to mouse memory. Now it works fine in Linux :)
25 • Correction... (by Gumshoe on 2017-08-14 11:35:57 GMT from Australia)
Sorry meant DPI, not disk. Stupid auto-correct
26 • Linux Gaming (by Sauron on 2017-08-14 11:46:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
I also dual boot Linux and Windows and do a lot of gaming in Windows. But what you mentioned is the reason why games like Planetside 2 and any other from such developers are banned on my systems, I wouldn't touch them if paid to do so. Don't support developers with that sort of attitude, they need to fold and go under!
27 • OpenSuse (by Bonky Ozmond on 2017-08-14 11:47:13 GMT from Nicaragua)
Open Suse is quite a nice OS, It for me anyway has never had any problems when i have tried it,
It'sthe only Linux OS i have seen being used commercial environment.. I was in a Hardware/ building supply depot in Nicaragua and it was being used for staff to access databases etc...
I have a life i don't need games on my computers, i would rather research something interesting...or play some real games do sport or similar...
I know the DW Distro Rankings are not in anyway serious, or scientifically accurate etc.. but i find it weird that some distros who haven't released anything in years have out of date web sites stay in similar positions yet some that are regularly updated and are seemingly very active drop like mangoes in a storm...
28 • OpenSuSE Leap is the very best Linux system you can ever get! (by Gerhard Goetzhaber on 2017-08-14 11:50:01 GMT from Austria)
It's about one year now Leap has been my main OS:
The first reason of this decision of mine was Leap's excellent hardware compatibility, especially regarding printers, but scanners as well: Other than all recent editions of Ubuntu and Debian, SuSE has done perfect implementation of CUPS and never stepped towards any versions which aren't really stable. So even periphery requiring an accessorial proprietary driver will always work free of bugs.
Next, Leap uses packages known to be very reliable, but it offers the possibility to install even the most recent RC kernel (currently 4.13.0-rc4) from OpenSuSE's own kernel:/HEAD-repository, and far from many a bad experience I've had with Fedora Rawhide, such upgrade really works best - without any exception!
O.k., YaST is a GUI tool one must learn to handle, but it's software management section does allow every user to finetune packages with a grade of precision unreached elsewhere. Uninstalling and setting "taboo" (against reinstall) of one single meta-package followed by installing or updating a thirty packages from Packman and one other repositories (You have perfect version control!) will make your Leap an excellent multimedia system in fact playing everything as well as by any application you ever like to use for.
Me, I've got installing Leap with Xfce and the root partition held on XFS with best results, just using Btrfs spread over two disks on RAID0, but that's details everybody everybody willing to try OpenSuSE has to find out at his own. Nevertheless, I think many a guy will get very happy with Leap 42.3 ...
29 • Family usage (by azuvil on 2017-08-14 17:08:30 GMT from United States)
Actually, the question of how I game is an interesting one. The fact is, I'm not much of a gamer and a huge number of modern titles are nausea-inducing (as in motion sickness) to me, though games from the 80's and 90's are usually fine. Given this, there is nothing missing on GNU/Linux for when I want to play a game. I've kept old consoles and media around for this purpose as well.
My wife, on the other hand, is quite fond of a number of games that are Windows-only. I don't have a Windows partition for her - it's a completely different hard drive. :P
She also likes to use Steam and the Steam Link, which are admittedly pretty neat. I just wish that all things Steam-related would be a bit more freedom respecting, but I haven't seen any signs of that happening yet.
30 • Game compatibility with Wine (by jg on 2017-08-14 16:49:55 GMT from United States)
Many Windows games will work with Wine and an OpenGL 3.3 or greater video card. You can check your games for compatibility here:
My favorites include Red Guard, Two Worlds and Aliens vs. Predator.
31 • re. GParted. (by willi-amp on 2017-08-14 15:29:59 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'm just a simple Linux user, mostly using LO Writer as a DTP and the Internet. I started with Mandrake 9, graduated to PCLOS about 2005 and, thanks to Bill Reynolds, I've had the best that Linux has to offer for many years. But PCLOS has dropped 32bit and I'm tired of the ever worsening KDE, so I've been looking elsewhere for the first time. Avoiding Ubuntu, there are plenty of good Distros available but in almost every case GParted is involved. Nothing could be less user-friendly than Gparted; and when I have tried to use it it has left fragmented bits of space between my designated divisions that I cannot avoid. Compare that with the partition tool that started life with Mandrake, it is well set out, with a clearly labeled easy to understand graphical interface, and, what's more, I've never known it to fail. If I install a Distro that uses Calamares I first run an old PCLOS disc, set up the partitions with the Drake tool and then transfer to the desired new Distro, the partitions are then ready for Calamares, no trouble.
The Mandrake partitioner is still to be found in Mageia and Rosa and other excellent Distro's because these people know it does the job. What is needed is for someone to take it up and turn it into a stand-alone program for the benefit of the whole Linux community. D-parted somebody please.
32 • chess games (by Alfred on 2017-08-14 12:57:43 GMT from Italy)
I have an old notebook with linux mint xfce.
i'm a chess player.
On linux exist only scid to play and analyze.
Other chess software I can only use them with wine.
Other chess games in software center are insufficient.
In any case: I have tried various linux software, but I consider mint as the best linux software ever for a beginner like me
33 • Manly men's game: warsow (by mane on 2017-08-14 13:31:51 GMT from Finland)
I started using OpenBSD as my daily driver a while back: very happy with it.
So then i started looking at linux|windows for secondary videogame-machine (it got super frustrating with crappy hardware). I've played a lot of steam games in the past, but nowdays i've lost my interest.
Old emulation games rule, and there's warsow for shooter junkie in me. =)
34 • Of linux and gaming... (by tom joad on 2017-08-14 14:30:39 GMT from France)
#13 nailed it.
Windows for games; Linux for serious work. I wish that were not true and it doesn't have to be true either.
The fact is there is not enough of us using Linux and gaming to make it worth while for the game producers to port games to us.
It is not about gaming; it is about money.
Worse still Windows offers a lot of support in their OS to facilitate the game producers. Directx and DLLs and VxD's to name a few. I am guessing most of those, if not all, are proprietary and locked up tight. And the hard ware and device drivers add to that ease of windows game development.
We are left with Wine, Steam, luck, hope and whatever else may come down the pike. And we have to settle for what will play.
I love playing Perfect General back in the day and REAL Doom. I wish I could play that now.
35 • Gaming, OpenSUSE (by rdaniels on 2017-08-14 14:52:30 GMT from United States)
About gaming, I'll play emulators and occasionally native Linux games, but mostly I game in a Windows 10 VM. It'd be best if I could do all my gaming in Linux, but WINE is a flaky, unsatisfying experience for me. So I'm happy enough with this setup.
About OpenSUSE, I think they have the best sales pitch and promises of any distro out there, hands down no question. In practice I think it can be hit or miss due to weird bugs or incompatibilities that you just don't see elsewhere, but if it works for you there's never a reason to leave.
36 • Gaming (by Rich52 on 2017-08-14 15:02:54 GMT from United States)
I've never been a gamer. Solitaire is the only game I've ever played on my Linux boxes. A computer is a tool to do real work and gaming deters from what a computer is capable of actually doing. If you want to game their are other types of venues to pursue. It's sad to think that to many purchasing a computer is just for gaming servings no other useful productive functions educational and or otherwise.
37 • Linux Gaming (by Ofuzzyone on 2017-08-14 15:21:29 GMT from United States)
I love games such as Freecol, Freeciv and Widelands. They work great in Linux. I have some Steam games, but can't play them as most of the time the Steam client won't install or work properly. I have tried Steam on Linux Mint and Debian without much success.
38 • Linux gaming (by nightflier on 2017-08-14 15:21:58 GMT from United States)
X-Plane 11 on Mint 17.3 KDE.
39 • @28 OpenSUSE Leap (by Janusz on 2017-08-14 18:02:17 GMT from Poland)
I tried installing Leap lately, but when partitioning, I was choosing MBR partition table disk with ext4 / and /home partitions plus swap. Somehow,after the install, it would never boot. I'm guessing it requires GPT and btrfs only? Any advice as to legacy install possibility?
40 • games on linux & dual booting (by david esktorp on 2017-08-14 18:22:50 GMT from United States)
Game developers often have to know there is a demand for their game on linux before they will bother considering the work. We are in the Era of Middleware, so many games will be virtually effortless to port. If it's not linux compatible, it's always worth asking or suggesting. Contact the developers and tell them you don't want to dual boot.
The moment dual booting feels like a hassle, I recommend making the decision of either staying with windows or committing to linux. I'm not telling anybody how to live their life, but really-- how many more incarnations of fps, rts, rpg, etc do we need? One of the many reasons VR had a luke warm reception was that there is irreversible market saturation.
When you dual boot, do you abstain from using the browser and other features of the OS, or do you just slip back in to windows mode while you game? My point here is that if you don't like windows for security concerns or whatever philosophical reason, I don't see how people reconcile that with dual booting. Are muh vidya gamez really that important?
You could also buy or build a gaming computer that is only for gaming. Turn it on when you want to game and turn it off when you don't. At least that way, you get the best of both worlds without interrupting one experience for the other.
Sorry for rambling but just some options to consider.
41 • @39: installing openSUSE (by Hendrik on 2017-08-14 18:41:01 GMT from Germany)
The best place for such questions is the support forum of the distro in question. In this case:
42 • Linux, gaming and chess (by Torben on 2017-08-14 18:44:41 GMT from Sweden)
The times where I used Windows to be able to play Obivion, Skyrim and the likes are over.
Besides a bit of Wesnoth and Supertuxkart I mainly play chess, and I have to agree with Alfred (#32) that most chess tools don't live up to the quality standards of other GNU/Linux applications.
SCID is a notable exception, but frankly not even that can compare with chessbase, which unfortunately doesn't work at all under wine.
Back in the beginning of this century I used to play Terminus, which was one of the first native Linux space games.
43 • @39 Partitioning for OpenSuSE (by Gerhard Goetzhaber on 2017-08-14 19:44:11 GMT from Austria)
It could be a hardware compatibility issue, but I don't think so. Try erasing your hard disk completely, followed by setting it up with a new partition table using some tool like GParted from a Linux live system!
Me same-same you, I prefer classic Grub2 (instead of UEFI), but on GPT formatted disks. May be this is a better way because at Linux setup a bios_grub partition willl be postponed to main MBR in order to have enough space for Grub.
It certainly does not matter which file systems you've chosen for Linux. OpenSuSe works well with all of them!
44 • @39: Partitioning for open SUSE (by dragonmouth on 2017-08-14 20:39:57 GMT from United States)
It is not a GParted issue, it is a hardware issue. You have to find out what kind of motherboard do you have. If it is a UEFI m/b, you have to use GPT to boot, if it is a BIOS m/b you have to use MBR. Otherwise it will not boot.
And, NO, you do not have to use btrfs with GPT. You can use ext4 or any other file system compatible with Linux.
45 • Partitions • and • many-boot (by Somewhat Reticent on 2017-08-14 21:21:40 GMT from United States)
@31 "Nothing could be less user-friendly than Gparted; and when I have tried to use it it has left fragmented bits of space between my designated divisions that I cannot avoid."
Those "bits of space" may the best way to accommodate a wide variety of operating systems, not just your choice(s). It may be about alignment of boundaries. Many distros find using gPartEd less work than reinventing the wheel à la QtPartEd, DiskDruid, DiskDrake, Yast, or KpartEd … or ncurses (all GUI), or (CLI) PartEd or fDisk.
@39 "Somehow,after the install, it would never boot." Sometimes it's the difference between installing the bootloader on the drive's MBR (sda) and on a partition (sda1), which comes in handy the other way 'round for multi-boot when an installer insists on imposing its own.
Of course, using one OSs' partitioning tool may result in damage to areas used by another OS; this arrogance is hardly limited to proprietary systems though certainly common there (even among different vintages of the same OS). Cross-platform tools (like the grub2win SourceForge project) have loyal followings for good reason.
Using different drives is an excellent way Keep It Short & Simple, whether multiple hard drives, or attached portable storage.
46 • Gaming on Linux (by Chris on 2017-08-14 22:29:20 GMT from United States)
I only run Linux-based operating systems on my computers, so I use that exclusively for my computer gaming needs. As some said, you do miss out on some games, but meh. That's why I also use various consoles, including a PS4 and XBOX 360, as well as various retro consoles.
Gaming in Linux certainly has improved over the past several years. When I started with Linux in 2009, there were mainly open source and homebrew games available, plus WINE. Now we have Steam and GOG selling Linux games, which is a great thing. Unfortunately, Valve's pro-Linux push has stalled, and they don't seem to encourage major game studios to make games Linux compatible, as they did a few years ago, which is sad.
47 • re 32 chess games (by cornelius on 2017-08-14 23:55:20 GMT from United States)
Many years ago I used GNU Chess engine with KNights UI. Very frustrating experience. It beat the crap out of me so much so that I realized chess is not for me. If you are looking for something to cure you from chess, I highly recommend GNU Chess with your choice of UI.
48 • RE #40 Games on Linux. (by More Gee on 2017-08-15 01:01:22 GMT from United States)
I agree with #40 but I would think it would be easier for wine tools to automatically search for the window partition and automatically set up what it can. Wine tools could also use a major upgrade. Without wine tools it is too hard to get set up properly and remember what worked last time, way too much trial and error.
I am tired of dual boot with windows 7 especially with systemd. I have had to do too many re-installs after upgrades in windows 7 that result in boot then restore loops. You can't get the windows licence key to recover in Linux any more. Windows 8-10 does not have install media and are worthless without internet so they don't leave the house.
49 • Gaming on Linux (by Tiago LA on 2017-08-15 02:49:02 GMT from Brazil)
Most of my games are PS games (PS3, PSP and PS Vita), but I love the PC classics, like Quake, Doom 3 and Unreal Tournament 2004, I play them natively on my Debian SID. I love the Borderlands series and the games of Frictional Games, I love horror games since PS1 era, witch I emulate on my Retro PI. My prefered games are all games from Frictional Games, UT2004, Borderlands 2 and The Pre Sequel, Quake 1, Doom the Doom classic with BrutalDoom and Doom 3.
50 • SUSE Tumbleweed / BTRFS / YAST / Partitioning (by Winchester on 2017-08-15 03:25:29 GMT from United States)
Just some general comments and comments on other posts :
First,I will give a seal of approval to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. I have had Gecko Linux Rolling LXQt installed on a partition on my desktop computer for about 9 months now with no breakage. It's very light,fast and responsive and offers the latest software versions. /home as ext3 , / as BTRFS , and an ext2 /boot partition of approximately 3 GB , plus a SWAP partition shared by other distributions.
My only real (relatively minor) issue so far has been (when updating the system) a constant prompt to de-select the installation of an updated Xorg peripheral driver. I assume this is because it conflicts with newer packages in the updates. Gecko Linux includes the "Packman" repository which may also have something to do with this.
Other than that,the procedure via YAST to initialize the updates requires a few too many steps compared to,for example,Solus. The procedure that I have been using has been to 1) issue the command to update the package lists via launching a desktop file. 2) Once that completes,click on the packages tab in the YAST GUI. 3) Select "Installation Summary". 4) Check-off the "Keep" box to load the list of installed packages. 5) Select "All in This List" >>>> "Update if Newer Version Is Available". Then,as mentioned above,I have to de-select an updated Xorg peripheral driver and click "Try Again" and then finally all of the updates besides the peripheral driver are applied. But....the updates work,I get the latest software,and the system has never broken,and no SystemD "90 second start jobs or stop jobs" have been introduced as they were with an Arch Linux based distribution.
Also,SUSE offers KDE3 in their repositories or the Trinity Desktop can be installed. I would recommend KDE,KDE variants,LXQt or simply a window manager with SUSE. I have heard that Gnome based environments don't work well under OpenSUSE which makes some sense as it is a native KDE distribution.
I have had a great experience with the BTRFS file system. It offers snapshots so,if needed you could roll back. The snapshots do take up storage space as they build-up but, the command "sudo snapper delete 59-286" reclaims that space. 59-286 is obviously just an example to be replaced with whichever snapshots are not needed.
Overall,OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is one of the best distributions which I have ever tried. Maybe not the absolute best,but right up there. PClinuxOS Trinity is among the very best as well. Both are in my top 5.
Elsewhere,as far as the Mandrake partitioner goes,it is great for setting-up a partition table IF you achieve the desired result the first time but,if you need to delete a partition .... in certain situations,when you also use other partitioning software,such as GParted,on the same drive,a problem can arise. Maybe it's GParted's problem but,I would avoid the combination of a)using both partition softwares and b) deleting and recreating a partition.
51 • Cross-platform boot tools? (by FOSSilizing Dinosaur on 2017-08-15 03:42:55 GMT from United States)
@48 "I have had to do too many re-installs after upgrades in windows 7 that result in boot then restore loops."
Likewise, until I started using the grub2win project at SourceForge. Such issues were much rarer.
Just as in dancing, it's best to Work With your partner's Momentum.
That said, I'd be thrilled to find a cross-platform boot system impervious to sociopathic OS "updates".
52 • re, Partitioning. (by willi-amp on 2017-08-15 10:15:40 GMT from United Kingdom)
@31,45. I have to thank Somewhat Reticent for drawing my attention to DiskDrake. I had no idea that others had sought the same solutions to partitioning as I had, even Ubuntu users. All the more reason to ask why someone cleverer that me has not already wrapped it up and made it into a stand-alone utility. Clearly there is a need for it and Linux people who haven't used it before will, I'm sure, soon take to it above all others.
53 • Converting a current linux to LVM (by John Michaels on 2017-08-15 13:01:38 GMT from United Kingdom)
I use two machines one with windows7 (for games) and the other for Linux.
I currently have Debian and Maui on this with two disks (350gb & 80gb)
I am trying to find a rolling distribution without systemd.
Debian (my main one) has wine but some some reason it installed wrongly and I've never been able to re-install correctly.
My question is this: I would like to convert my machine to LVM but all the 'tutorials' assume I'm starting with a fresh install but I want to convert my existing setup. Can I activae LVM in Debian, set up suitable partitions then copy across my existing installations (using clonezilla). If not what can I do?
The big disk has about 60 % free and currently has 4 partitions and two 'empty' areas.currently in use: Debian (/, /home) Maui and one partition 'common' to both.
p.s. not a newby but not very knowledgeable
54 • Post # 53 (by Winchester on 2017-08-15 14:37:58 GMT from United States)
For a rolling distribution without systemd,I would look at the Gentoo family .... Gentoo itself,Calculate Linux (not the Cinnamon version), Exton ExGent, RedCore Linux.
Sabayon,when I tried it last year,seems to run slowly. Maybe the FluxBox version of Sabayon is faster than the rest but,I cannot verify that as I have yet to try it.
Aside from the Gentoo family,PClinuxOS is categorized here as a "semi-rolling" distribution. No systemd. I recommend the community "Trinity Big Daddy" iso , if you have a little bit of time to customize the look and feel .... as well as installing an alternate file manager to Konqueror,which is easy. I went with PCmanFM QT on my installation and made a bookmark in the file manager for removable media (/media/).
If you like Debian,there is Nelum Dev-1 "Testing" on SourceForge. Not a true rolling distribution but,the package updates from "testing" should always be updated just as they are with Debian Testing. Likewise,while not a true rolling distribution,Slackel is based on the Slackware Current branch.
LVM .... I am not sure. Maybe they can help there at LinuxQuestions.org .
55 • OpenSUSE Leap setup (by Bushpilot on 2017-08-15 15:04:54 GMT from Canada)
I have installed opensuse leap on my desktop and like it, however I have had issues with installing virtual box and getting audio to work. Have fried to find help on suse web site but none of the suggestions have been successful. Would appreciate some help with this.
56 • lvm+debian-systemd [#53-54] (by nano-me on 2017-08-15 16:17:05 GMT from United Kingdom)
#53-54: not sure about LVM, but the obvious Debian alternative is Devuan 1.0. I thought that Sabayon was systemd [rare Gentoo offshoot that strays]. Salix is another Slackware derivative, but lacking the applications breadth of Debian, Gentoo, Slackware. Void is another. I use all of Devuan, Salix, Void, but sorry I can't help with LVM.
57 • debian without systemd (by anticapitalista on 2017-08-15 16:29:44 GMT from United Kingdom)
antiX is Debian without systemd and without libsystemd0
58 • OpenSUSE Leap (by mechanic on 2017-08-16 11:07:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
5.6 Gbytes iso download? They're having a laugh!
59 • AntiX / Devuan / Salix (by Winchester on 2017-08-16 11:25:49 GMT from United States)
AntiX and Devuan are fixed point release distributions as far as I know. Not rolling releases at all .... unless I am mistaken ..... or maybe unless you alter /etc/apt/ to pull "Testing" software.
That's why I mentioned "Nelum Dev-1 Testing". The iso is a little bit older but,you can update after installation.
I am pretty sure that Salix is a fixed release as well. Packages sourced from Slackware 14.2 while Slackel uses the Slackware Current branch. That's my understanding of the situation,anyway.
I should not have mentioned Sabayon as it does use SystemD unlike other operating systems in its family.
60 • Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances (by Command & Conquer: Tiberium Al on 2017-08-16 13:06:35 GMT from Lithuania)
'Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances' you can play on LInux in Firefox browser. Turn based strategy game with other players you can fight online. Great quality game based on famous RTS series from popular game company EA.
61 • @50, @58 openSUSE (by vw72 on 2017-08-16 14:43:26 GMT from United States)
@50 - openSUSE is not KDE centric. While it is true that a lot of KDE developers use/d openSUSE in the past, Leap is built on the source of SUSE Enterprise Linux, and actively develops and supports both KDE and Gnome. It is said to have one of the best KDE implementations, but their Gnome implementation is every bit as good as, say Fedora. There appear to be more openSUSE users running Gnome than KDE per stats posted on reddit.
With regards to updates, there are several options from using the CLI to using YAST. Also, YAST provides an ncurses version for use from the CLI for those so inclined.
@58 - The iso for openSUSE Leap is 4.6GB. While large, it does contain multiple desktops versus downloading individual isos for each one. In addition, the language packs, something other distros download after installation, are already included. Finally, there is also a network installer that has an initial download that is very small.
In short, the initial download of openSUSE is larger than many of the other distros (usually under 2GB), however, it includes a lot more in the iso than the others do.
62 • Teeworlds (by paperman on 2017-08-16 16:18:03 GMT from Iran, Islamic Republic of)
I play the open source game, Teeworlds.
It's the best game I've ever played.
63 • Rolling Release Without SystemD (by Rick Smereka on 2017-08-16 17:17:05 GMT from Switzerland)
#53-54 I have been conducting a long-term test of AntiX (Testing repro) both 32 and 64 bit along with RedCore (Gentoo based) x64 only and the new Artix (Arch-based using OpenRC, used to be called Manjaro OpenRC). To date AntiX appears to be the best of the lot (although with 'Testing' repo, it is more like semi-rolling) It is low memory consumption and has packages for a server (eg: LAMP). RedCore is fairly new, only does desktop (no server packages, shame) and is only 64 bit (double shame). The package manager installs binary packages and there is a lot of packages.
64 • No shame at all (by Kragle von Schnitzelbank on 2017-08-16 18:43:59 GMT from United States)
@63 I wouldn't expect a fairly new one-man project (like Redcore) to provide every bell-and-whistle found in a years-old team effort (especially when sponsored); there's no shame at all in recognizing one's limitations, rather that demonstrates wisdom.
Low memory consumption is a popular quibble; what counts is how well you can work with it. (Doesn't all that RAM use electrical power regardless of "low consumption"?) I prefer polished and feature-complete to minimal ("simple" = stripped and tedious to use); that includes "advanced" options (as opposed to dumbed-down), but not bling or hidden background data-mining. If your system is responsive and enables you to be more productive, aren't you using memory sensibly?
65 • rolling devuan [#59] (by nano-me on 2017-08-16 18:44:05 GMT from United Kingdom)
@59 Devuan 1.0 is as rolling a release as Debian. It is the base for derivatives like Nelum.
66 • Gaming on Linux (by Vegas on 2017-08-16 19:52:57 GMT from United States)
I do most of my gaming on a Windows machine, and work on a Linux box. That said, Borderlands 2 and The Pre-Sequel are available natively on Linux, and I'd be perfectly content playing those two for the rest of my life.
67 • Gaming on Linux (by Grraf on 2017-08-17 02:33:03 GMT from Romania)
Just about all my favorite games run native on linux(BG,ICWD,OpenMW(even Morrowind fans are covered),Darkest Dungeon,Wesnoth)
For the rest wine is working fine(AGE2+Expansions,Deus Ex+mods, ToEE+Co8, Neverwinter 1&2+mods, Age of Decadence&Dungeon Rats)
True enough i rarely stumble upon a title i find to be my cup of tea and not have a way to make it run it properly... then again i'm an arch user and we tend to be quite resourcefull people.
68 • Post # 59 (by Winchester on 2017-08-17 04:42:13 GMT from United States)
Devuan 1.0 is as rolling a release as Debian Stable,which is not at all. There release is called "Devuan Jessie 1.0" the same name as the Debian 8 fixed release. They have a testing repository but,I have not seen or heard of an iso or an img file of a Devuan operating system besed of off those testing packages.
If there is such a Devuan operating system available for public download,I will stand corrected.
Nelum Dev-1 Testing .... as the name would indicate,is based on packages from a "Testing" repository,Ascii. Similar to Debian Testing, Parrot, Metamorphose, and Kali Linux but without SystemD.
69 • Gaming with Debian testing Xfce (by debianxfce on 2017-08-17 05:00:02 GMT from Finland)
Debian testing Xfce is a rolling , stable, fast and easy to use gaming distribution. Create a custom non debug 1000Hz kernel from kernel.org or if you have Amd gpu then use these kernels:
You can Oibaf ppa Mesa for latest Mesa drivers. My favorite game is Rocket League at the moment. Saints Row 2 was free and I like the idea and graphics of the game but the graphics engine is buggy and it does have lags even with the fastest hardware. I have have had very much fun with wine-staging and Tomb Raider and Prince of Persia games. Syberia 2 was free and it is a beautiful point and click game.
70 • Backporting is a waste of human resources (by debianxfce on 2017-08-17 05:09:52 GMT from Finland)
Debian stable is buggy, it does have more bugs than testing often. You can break Debian stable with testing and sid packages and end up using 3 years old software. It is better to use Debian testing so flatpak is not needed. When I try flat packaged programs, they fail to run.
71 • openSUSE review (by claudecat on 2017-08-17 05:54:33 GMT from United States)
I applaud Joshua Allen Holm for deigning to review openSUSE. This is a distribution that seems to fall between the Linux cracks, if this figure of speech survives translation. openSUSE always works, but man does it have some (German) idiosyncrasies. Yast? Sure, it's a godsend to people that need it, but it has its annoyances. Software management? You'd better get familiar with zypper on the command-line because using Yast to update anything (in Tumbleweed anyway) is darn near useless. I defy anyone to keep Tumbleweed rolling without significant issues. Even updating can be controversial. Does one use zypper -up or -dup -no-recommends? Answers are usually available, it just seems that openSUSE doesn't get the universal love/instigation to play with things that other distros do. Far too often things get iffy, for example the recent addition of repos that offer to make nvidia drivers automagical. Ha! I had to uninstall all that crap and return to using the nvidia drivers from their website to even get the desktop (KDE) to boot.
I get it. This is a huge distro with gigantic obligations to international entities. Could it be far more usable to the average idiot like me? YES!!! But it sure as heck could be better in terms of individual app integration. Yes, I'm aware that openSUSE goes above and beyond what many other distros do. Is it enough? Your thoughts on SUSE/openSUSE? I'm thinking marginally superior to Fedora, if only because Fedora causes the mange (look it up). A hat is a sad reminder of one's open source allegiance. A nice clean haircut makes you feel like a freakin' millionaire. Billionaires need only to buy step one of my 982-step "Ascent to Full Asshole-ocity". For now I'll refrain from more rantings. I dare anyone to infuse my yogurt with anything debilitating.
72 • #68 devuan rolling? (by nano-me on 2017-08-17 07:09:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
#68 All my beliefs on Devuan are shattered! I have
deb http://gb.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jesse main
etc in my /etc/apt/sources.list file, and "apt-get upgrade" attempts to bring my [neglected] Devuan system up to date by installing the latest versions of 168 packages. I thought that this was what a rolling distribution did. I am not trying to get involved in the testing or unstable components of the repository. What does your Devuan system do differently?
73 • @ 68 Nelum Dev-1 (by OstroL on 2017-08-17 08:27:24 GMT from Poland)
"Nelum Dev-1 Testing .... as the name would indicate,is based on packages from a "Testing" repository,Ascii."
Actually, Nelum Dev-1 shows one important thing, you can download it now and update it to make it up to date. It is always rolling as far as Devuan Ascii is there. In other words, Nelum doesn't have to upload another iso.
Any updated iso uploaded today would be old in a few hours or days. As it is based on Ascii, it is practically a rolling distro. Try it and see.
74 • Previous Posts (by Winchester on 2017-08-17 11:19:15 GMT from United States)
Regarding Post # 73 :
Yes,I know. This is why I mentioned "Nelum Dev-1 Testing" in the first place.
Someone said that they were looking for a rolling distribution WITHOUT SystemD.
I recommended this "Nelum Dev-1 Testing" as one option of a quasi-rolling distribution in addition to PClinuxOS and stuff from the Gentoo family of true rolling distributions. All without SystemD.
Post # 72 :
The fact that you can update packages does not mean that you have a rolling distribution. One day (probably in 2 or 3 years) when the fixed point release is no longer supported,you will have to either (a) re-install the operating system or (b) run a non-maintained system which no longer pulls any updates.
Operating systems based on Debian Testing with SystemD or,in this case Devuan Testing Ascii without SystemD,should NOT need to be reinstalled as the "Testing" repository should always be updated as long as the distribution survives. Testing should always be testing.
Think of "Debian "Sarge" for an example. Past end of life. It no longer receives updates. This is what happens to fixed point releases. But,in contrast,Testing is still Testing and still receives updates.
75 • Fixed releases do not have to be reinstalled. (by Garon on 2017-08-17 12:18:40 GMT from United States)
It's been quite a while since I reinstalled a Fixed Release distro. Many years ago I use to reinstall but now I just do a distro upgrade. A fixed release and a rolling release are very different but most fixed release distros can now be upgraded instead of reinstalled. Just saying.
76 • @74 rolling or not (by nano-me on 2017-08-17 13:25:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
@74 Thanks for the explanation. So it seems that the jesse-security and jesse-updates repositories are all essentially "bug fixes", and in no way will add stable improvements to Devuan 1.0 Jesse.
77 • @64 (by JakeG on 2017-08-17 14:35:54 GMT from United States)
Low memory footprints can also result in better performance. The new bottleneck these days is actually memory, not disk speed (read about NVMe if you think disks are too slow). The less memory that's used, the slightly faster that device will run.
Some people also don't like wasting memory. If you can tell me why my Macbook at work needs 80-120MB to run a terminal or 140MB to manage a backup taskbar icon, I'd love to know. My Openbox Arch setup uses less than that for the whole system, and heck, even XP ran that light without any AV (that made it ~330MB, which is now like a fancier Linux desktop). With 2GB, that gives me plenty of headroom that I don't worry about swap, etc. I have to constantly kill apps or reload stuff because the Mac hits swap all the time at 16GB. What a waste!
I agree that tuning to the Nth-degree can drive you insane if you're corner-cutting, but there is definitely value in being prudent with the memory that is used.
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