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1 • Chakra, linux and... (by musty on 2014-06-30 12:39:32 GMT from France) |
Another great review. Chakra worth it....
A BIG question : Is ther a tiny livecd with KVM virtualization ? you boot your cd or usb and launch yours VMS from your NAS or SAN...
2 • Mint 17 Xfce (by cykodrone on 2014-06-30 14:40:49 GMT from Canada)
I gave it a live spin for schizz n giggles, no surprises (still stable yet bland) except one, no, two surprises, no system event sounds OOTB (I got system event sounds working in my Debian Wheezy Xfce, bpo and dmo enabled but not pinned), the second surprise was the Google search enhancement add-on in Firefox installed and running by default (lack of 'opt-in'). Here's the burning question/speculation...remember the Ubuntu repo server kerfuffle Mint had with Canonical? Is the Google search add-on part of a deal to shut Canonical up and keep using their server?
3 • aur vs. ccr (by arch/manjaro user on 2014-06-30 15:19:04 GMT from United States)
I installed Chakra a few months ago and was pretty happy with the experience. The critical show stopper was that, unlike Manjaro which is compatible with Arch's AUR, Chakra is only compatible with its own equivalent, the CCR (or CCK or something). The problem is that the community is much smaller than Arch's and many packages I need are simply not available or are broken in the CCR. Game over.
4 • Distro for KVM VM hosting (by Scott Dowdle on 2014-06-30 15:57:59 GMT from United States)
@1 - Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization (RHEV) has a purpose-built RHEL-based install media for their virtualzation hosts that is a very stripped down RHEL with hypervisor and libvirt bits. I think their fancy name for it is "Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization Hypervisor". The RHEV upstream project is oVirt and they call that an "oVirt node". I haven't used those myself so I'm not sure if they can be run from live media or not. I think they are geared for installing to hard drive.
The trend in virtualization is away from NAS/SAN based storage and toward local storage... mainly because of the cost. If that is something you'd consider then another good alternative is something like Proxmox VE that is a very light-weight, turn-key solution for setting up KVM/OpenVZ clusters.
5 • Lightweight, Straightforward, and/or Beginner Distros (by Gwilson on 2014-06-30 16:46:41 GMT from United States)
It is not my intention to knock Chakra, but I have a different current favorite. Before I name it, I'll preface this by stating that I am primarily a traditional desktop user who basically wants the desktop to get out of the way so that I can use the application software. At the same time, I am happy to have GUI tools for managing things like network connections and user privileges, even though I basically competent at using the command line. During all of the desktop use interface brouhaha of the past several years, I settled on XFCE as my preferred desktop since it meets all of the needs mentioned above and has proven to be stable, bug-free and relatively consistent as versions and upgrades are introduced.
My other "preference" is for a Debian-based distribution which (for me) includes Ubuntu (though I do tend to swing back and forth between Ubuntu and "pure" Debian for reasons you can probably guess). Over the years, I have become comfortable with the standard Debian syntax, conventions, package managers and so forth. Even when I change distributions to something that looks entirely different, it's good when what's going on in the background can still be managed with my present skill set.
A few months ago, I tried an early version of Linux Lite. While I liked what I saw, there were a few things I wasn't happy with and a few problems I encountered with certain hardware. When Distrowatch announced the release of Linux Lite 2.0, I decided to give it another look, and I am very pleased with what they have done. I now have it on all of my home systems and have installed it on the computers of a couple of aging friends who are moving away from Windows.
Linux Lite is a beginner-friendly Linux distribution based on Ubuntu LTS and featuring the Xfce desktop. It uses the current Whisker menu. All applications and GUI tools are identified by their function out of the box, and I have found that this simple feature makes the system much easier for beginners to use without impeding more experienced users.
I would highly recommend looking at Linux Lite 2.0 if it sounds like it might meet your needs in a particular situation.
As a passing comment, I'll add that I am also a fan of Crunchbang, but was disappointed when they stopped including the XFCE desktop as an option. I know you can add XFCE, but the standard "bare bones" XFCE installation does not have all of the refinements and customizations found in Linux Lite's carefully implemented XFCE.
On the minus side, Linux Lite does not have the same level of online forum user support that Crunchbang has developed over the years. I have posted a couple of questions on the Linux Lite forum and received no response at all.
Still, for a relatively new distro, the people at Linux Lite have produced a very well thought out and nicely implemented project.
6 • Chakra (by James on 2014-06-30 17:09:50 GMT from )
Never has worked for me. I could never get this to install, whether I put it on a USB stick or DVD, boot up was fine and got through half the installer. If people can't even get it to install, I think priority number one would be to finish the installer first and improve from there. Overall, the review seems very accurate. I have tried to like this distro, since I used KDEMod back in the day and it was excellent but I have downloaded this at least once a year, sometimes more and it just never installs. :(
7 • Talk about KDE (by fernbap on 2014-06-30 17:20:01 GMT from Portugal)
Jesse, i know you are a KDE fan, but do you have to review every KDE distro while leaving a lot of important non KDE distros out?
I know, many people like KDE, but many people (probably more) don't like it.
8 • Distro diversity (by Jesse on 2014-06-30 17:41:33 GMT from Canada)
>> "Jesse, i know you are a KDE fan, but do you have to review every KDE distro while leaving a lot of important non KDE distros out?"
I have no idea where you are coming from.
1. Three of the past five distributions I reviewed did not feature the KDE desktop.
2. I don't select which distributions to review based on their desktop environments.
3. My primary desktop of choice isn't KDE. Sure, I like it, but I like most of the major desktop environments. I'm not picky about which one(s) I use.
9 • @5 Re: Linux Lite Forums (by Rev_Don on 2014-06-30 21:01:43 GMT from United States)
The best way to get assistance with Linux Lite is thru their IRC channel. There is usually several people active in the channel at any time of the day. When I've had a question, I've always been able to get an answer within a few minutes there. IIRC, the channel information is pre-configured in the IRC client or there is a pre-configured link to it in the browser (it's been several months since I did a fresh install and I can't remember the specifics off the top of my head).
And I agree with you about Linux Lite. It's a well configured distro that just plain works well on older and newer hardware. It's about the closest distro to the classic pre-Unity Ubuntu releases like 10.04. Works great right out of the box for a newbie and an excellent starting point for a more experienced user.
10 • speaking of desktops (by brad on 2014-06-30 21:02:02 GMT from United States)
anyone know when xfce 4.12.x is coming out? I really enjoy xfce.. I used to be a diehard kde fan, I have 6 gigs ram, so system resources wasn't an issue.. just like the absolute snappiness of xfce.. Anyone reading this try the LxQt? any personal experiences and/or comparisons xfce vs lxqt?
11 • KDE (by Dave Brown on 2014-06-30 21:13:04 GMT from United States)
Talk about KDE, has anyone tried this out... Ubuntu 14.04 KDE 5
Jesse, this would make for an awesome review.
12 • @10 Re: LxQT (by Rev_Don on 2014-06-30 22:25:32 GMT from United States)
LxQT is still a bit raw, but it shows quite a bit of potential. Basically an enhanced LXDE, but it's a far cry from as full featured or customizable as XFCE, at least in the limited amount of use I've had with it.
13 • @5 CrunchBang Xfce (by Jeff on 2014-06-30 23:21:49 GMT from United States)
I agree, IMO that was the best Xfce set up.
They say you can add Xfce to CrunchBang but that really disrespects the work Phillip put into the CrunchBang Xfce configuration.
I understand it is a one man distro, there are only so many hours in a day and maintaining a second version could be too much work.
14 • Xfce 4.12 (by Will Brokenbourgh on 2014-07-01 01:48:34 GMT from United States)
@10 This is the roadmap for 4.12...looks like they've fallen a bit behind...hopefully it's not a dying project. Xfce is one of the best traditional low-resource desktop environments around.
15 • Xfce 4.12 (by Will Brokenbourgh on 2014-07-01 01:49:25 GMT from United States)
Oops, forgot the link:
16 • Chakra Review (by DipTheBeak on 2014-07-01 04:16:56 GMT from United States)
Another fine review. Chakra appears to be a very nice distro. The "does not currently officially support UEFI", plus limited package choices, compared to other Arch/based distros and only KDE, give me pause on this one, for now.
Antergos and Manjaro, both have excellent UEFI support. Manjaro has a very nice selection of DE, to download per ISO or post distro install, also has good package selection, though held back 1-2 weeks=there are some advantages to this, to be safer.
One of the major things, I believe Antergos gets very right (internet connection required), is the choice of DE while doing the distro install. The positives to me, small ISO download, then choose the DE during distro install (Why more distros do not choose this way??), not locked into just one DE. Of course a different DE can also be downloaded, post-disto install.
Everyone have a great week.
17 • LXQt (by Hulk on 2014-07-01 06:01:35 GMT from Slovakia)
I have tried LxQt and, as someone has pointed out above, it feels pretty raw at this stage. It is usable, though.
I moved from Gnome to Xfce to MATE, but I believe that LXQt will become the number one desktop in the near future.
Any comments on the Tizen OS?
18 • Krita (by TequilaMockingbird on 2014-07-01 08:15:44 GMT from United States)
Thanks for choosing for the month of May donation, to go to Krita. This is a good sketching and painting, cross platform program. Continued success to all at Krita! :)
19 • @11 KDE by Dave Brown: Plasma Next and KF5 (by Marco on 2014-07-01 15:12:36 GMT from United States)
I am testing in a VMware virtual machine on top of Kubuntu 14.04 following these directions:
You will get another session option on your LightDM.
I have some hiccups, but it basically works.
Software bugs should go to bugs.kde.org, but packaging bugs are best raised in the #kubuntu-devel IRC channel.
I have also played with the Kubuntu-based Live CD: http://files.kde.org/snapshots/neon5-latest.iso
This seems to work about as well as most live USB sessions I run, but some web sites with heavy scripting can seem to cause me to run out of memory.
20 • Calibre (by Chet on 2014-07-01 16:33:42 GMT from United States)
I have used Calibre for a while in both Windows and Linux and can't think of a better program to handle almost any e-book in almost any format, as well as any reader.
I have also used Fbreader, and found it quite useful as well.
21 • @6 James - Chakra installation (by Ricardo on 2014-07-02 03:05:19 GMT from Argentina)
It's been a while since I tried Chakra, but in their website they recommend burning the install DVD at very low speed (4x) for a correct installation. You don't say if you tried that, so I thought I would mention it.
I really like the concept of semi-rolling release but Chakra never quite worked for me/my tastes, ans it also doesn't (didn't?) support full disk encryption which is a requirement in my case (work laptop).
So, I'm currently using Slackware 14.1 (very solid base) with AlienBOB's excellent KDE repos + slackbuilds, both of which provide the rolling part :)
(Sorry for the digression!)
22 • Krita, Plasma Next (by Ricardo on 2014-07-02 03:11:07 GMT from Argentina)
Kudos for the donation to Krita, well deserved.
@Jesse: I second a review of Plasma Next, if you have the time and will :)
Maybe a "Beta testing week" where you can mini-review several beta projects?
(Candidates: LXQt, Lumina, others?)
23 • @16 DE choice during install (by Kazlu on 2014-07-02 13:27:19 GMT from France)
"small ISO download, then choose the DE during distro install (Why more distros do not choose this way??)"
Probably because an installation requiring an internet connection may be risky (if your connection fails during install, what happens?), or impossible (installation on computers without connection). For the record, Mageia and OpenSUSE (and probably others) propose a choice of several DEs at install, but the ISO is large (3.5GB in the case of Mageia, argh). Also for the record, you can still get the Ubuntu minimal CD that weights about 30MB and you get just what is needed to boot, then you can choose and download your kernel, DE and other packages from the repositories in order to build your system to your taste.
I personnally prefer not having to rely on an internet connection during installation. One less source of problems. I do my updates post-install
24 • @23 Kazlu (by DipTheBeak on 2014-07-02 14:27:39 GMT from United States)
"Probably because an installation requiring an internet connection may be risky (if your connection fails during install, what happens?), or impossible (installation on computers without connection)." That is fair. I stand corrected. I should have stated, that it is best to be sure of a reliable internet connection. You made some valid points.
To be clear, to me Antergos strikes a healthy balance, the live CD is not too bloated (as you mentioned some distros have multiple DE available to install from a LARGE ISO), but not too minimal either, like your example of the Ubuntu minimal CD.
In the end, it is up to the individual, for what he/she feels comfortable with, and/or prefers.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, much appreciated. Cheers. :)
25 • Windows 8.1 (by Charles Fifi Regina III on 2014-07-02 19:25:25 GMT from United States)
This is about Random Mice coming out of my PC since I installed Linux mouse
software from the PCLinuxOS repositories.
26 • @4 (by Anonymous Coward on 2014-07-03 21:21:11 GMT from United States)
@4 "The trend in virtualization is away from NAS/SAN based storage and toward local storage"
Any citation to back up that assertion? I find that anecdotally to be 180 degrees from reality?
27 • @25 - Random Mice (by eco2geek on 2014-07-04 21:41:20 GMT from United States)
Many software developers will set interrupts in order to debug their software when error conditions occur. These interrupts are commonly known as "traps".
So you may wish to contact the software developer(s), and ask them why they didn't code in the appropriate mouse traps. *
* Kidding. :-) I have no idea what error you're experiencing.
28 • BeagleBone... where? (by Nate on 2014-07-05 03:25:32 GMT from United States)
I enjoy the reviews but this is the first time I've notice one made for a product that isn't available.
The BeagleBone Black has not been available for sale anywhere for a few months now. Heck, I can find Arduinos on-line, Craigslist even carries the occasional RaspberryPi, but BeagleBone, Black or not, are nowhere to be found.
PS: if anyone wishes to prove me wrong, please post link (or at least give directions) as to where one might find this dev board. Thanks
29 • Open hardware (by Fairly Reticent on 2014-07-05 05:20:00 GMT from United States)
I'd like to see the MinnowBoard_Max available ...
30 • Arch-based distributions (by Peter on 2014-07-05 15:48:46 GMT from United Kingdom)
Just my word on the Chakra review and Arch-based distributions. In my experience the plain Arch install, with KDE if you want, is the easiest and most stable distribution. Using pacman from command line is simple if you can type 'pacman -Syu'.
All the apps I have added have worked. Kernel upgrades have been bleeding-edge (3.15-2 at the moment), systemd works fine. I've installed in virtualbox as a EFI-aware OS and also as dual boot on my iMac using UEFI and refind. Everything works and just keeps on working. On the other hand Ubuntu is broken on my system, with multiple problems. Fedora is the only other OS that comes close to Arch on my iMac.
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